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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey you welcome to Weird House Cinema. My name is Rob.

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Speaker 3: Lamb and I am Joe McCormick.

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Speaker 2: And today's Weird House Cinema selection is, Oh, this is

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Speaker 2: just b movie caviare I don't know. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what you thought of a joke. You had seen it previously,

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Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken. I watched it for the first

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Speaker 2: time in the last couple of weeks. Watched it on

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Speaker 2: an airplane, and I was just overwhelmed by the glory

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Speaker 2: of howling to your Sister is a Werewolf from nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty five.

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Speaker 3: I had seen it before, but didn't remember a lot

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Speaker 3: about it. This is one I think I kind of

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Speaker 3: watched in the early twenties haze of just like I'd

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Speaker 3: go with my friend to the local you know, used

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Speaker 3: book d CD and DVD store, and we'd get like

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Speaker 3: an armload of ninety nine cent bad DVDs and just

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Speaker 3: kind of watch them one after another. And this was

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Speaker 3: one of those. I remember a few things about it.

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Speaker 3: I remember it being weird. I think I remembered Christopher

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Speaker 3: Lee's bizarre outfit in the scene where he goes to

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Speaker 3: the club, which we'll have to talk about later, and

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Speaker 3: it's hard to forget the vibes of Sybil Danning presiding

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Speaker 3: over the rituals in the film. I much commented upon

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Speaker 3: kind of aura this movie has. In fact, in his

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Speaker 3: one star review of this film, Roger Ebert singled out

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Speaker 3: the Sybil Danning's ability to preside over rituals as one

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Speaker 3: of the best things about the movie. And I have

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Speaker 3: to agree there certainly one of the most memorable things

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think he completely liked the film, but

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Speaker 2: he certainly liked her performance in it. And I don't

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Speaker 2: know you can tell when Ebert. Sometimes Ebert would give

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Speaker 2: a review like this, and you know it'd be a

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Speaker 2: low star rating, but you could tell he loved it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was one of those. It's like, objectively, I

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Speaker 3: must say it is a bad film, but most of

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Speaker 3: what he had to say about it seemed kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because it is. This one's rough around the edges.

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Speaker 2: It is you know, it's definitely lower budget, but it's

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Speaker 2: it's trying really hard. It's throwing everything at the wall,

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Speaker 2: it's laying in its teeth it's thrashing its head from

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Speaker 2: side to side, and it refuses to let go. H

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Speaker 2: that's that's Howling too, That's it, that's its vibe. It's

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Speaker 2: a new wave horror party and all the werewolves are invited.

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Speaker 3: It is. I think this movie would be more remembered

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Speaker 3: for its weirdness if it were not directly followed by

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Speaker 3: Howling three the Marsupials, which is perhaps even weirder. It's

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Speaker 3: almost like, uh, this movie, this movie would be more

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Speaker 3: of a beacon of absurdity if not having if not

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Speaker 3: for having been immediately one opt yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, same director came back, Phelipe Mora, who will talk

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Speaker 2: about it in a minute, came back and made the

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Speaker 2: Howling three, doubling down on all the weirdness, making it

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Speaker 2: a firmly assy weird film and in a way that yeah,

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Speaker 2: really and it almost kind of overshines the genuine weirdness

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Speaker 2: to be overlooked, at least if your taste aligns with

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Speaker 2: ours when it comes to B films. So The Howling

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Speaker 2: two is, of course a sequel to the nineteen eighty

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Speaker 2: one Joe Dante film The Howling, which I believe we

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Speaker 2: both watched almost in tandem not too long ago. I

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Speaker 2: think we were talking about covering it for Weird House

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Speaker 2: Cinema and then we kind of moved on to something else.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's largely because The Howling is a

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Speaker 2: really solid werewolf movie with amazing special effects, some great

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Speaker 2: Looney Tunes weirdness in there and you know, kind of

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Speaker 2: like appropriate brushstrokes, solids of humor. Yeah, a great sense

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Speaker 2: one writing, incredible practical world effects, like I said, and

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Speaker 2: all that for a two million dollar budget. So in

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Speaker 2: a way it was like great film, but not necessarily

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Speaker 2: the greatest Weird House Cinema selection. But The Howling definitely made,

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Speaker 2: but made a box office splash, made a lot of money,

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Speaker 2: entertained a lot of people, certified hit, and again solid

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Speaker 2: monster film that I would say balance is a kind

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Speaker 2: that you've come to expect from his filmography and the effects. Again,

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Speaker 2: the effects alone on the Howling give it a special

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Speaker 2: that are just amazing, very good. So Howling two follows

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Speaker 2: Howling To are still great, with a number of caveats,

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Speaker 2: in a minute, an interview with Steve Johnson, who we've

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Speaker 2: a number of talented affects people on Howling To, but

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Speaker 2: Steve Johnson was the guy that they sent to out

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Speaker 2: the Planet of the Apes television series and they're like, here,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know what score you would get if

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Speaker 3: the original Howling, but the way the movie deploys them,

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Speaker 3: There will be a lot of use of shadow of obscures,

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking particularly of some of the use of the

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Speaker 3: it would fit right in. The Other thing that this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's that's a great observation here.

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Speaker 2: And it also helps that a lot of the film

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Speaker 2: in general, I would say that, Yeah, if the Howling

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Speaker 3: Marsha, Marsha, Marshah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it achieves this marvelously, marvelously, And

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Speaker 2: are all really great. The original Howling had this it

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Speaker 3: But did you notice how across the three posters the

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Speaker 3: There's almost something kind of metaphysical about that. And then

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Speaker 3: in the third one, the worlf is slashing through a

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and then that wor wolf looks really wild,

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Speaker 2: like there's no bargaining with that werewolf. So check out

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Another thing that's funny about this movie is the

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Speaker 2: is responsible for the vast majority of the script we

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Speaker 2: have here. His only other writing credit on the databases

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Speaker 2: is ninety five's Decoy, an action film starring Peter Weller

433
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Speaker 2: and Robert Patrick. So we get RoboCop and Terminator two

434
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Speaker 2: coming together. I don't know what they're doing. I think

435
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 2: it's just like a mercenary action picture.

436
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Speaker 3: It's about duck hunting.

437
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Speaker 2: Maybe. So all right, let's get into the cast. Top

438
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Speaker 2: billing here is Christopher Lee playing Stefan, the were wolf, hunter.

439
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Speaker 3: Stefan. His name is Stefan Crossco, which I dare you

440
00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 3: not to accidentally say Chrisco, especially since his name is Christoph.

441
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 2: Yes, Stephan Crossco, and sometimes they call him Crossco. Sometimes

442
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 2: they refer to him by his last name, sometimes by

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Speaker 2: his first name.

444
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but to Queen Steerba, he is Stephan, because we

445
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 3: will learn that they have it. There's a history between them.

446
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Speaker 2: Yes, Christopher Lee, of course legend I lived nineteen twenty

447
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Speaker 2: two through twenty fifteen. This is our eighth Christopher Lee

448
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Speaker 2: film on Weird House Cinema, putting him in the lead

449
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Speaker 2: currently of actors whose films we've covered thus far in

450
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Speaker 2: Weird House Cinema. And of course we don't have to

451
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: We don't have to tell you who Christopher Lee was.

452
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 2: Christopher Lee was Dracula, he was Sorrowman. He was Lord

453
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Speaker 2: summer Isle. He was Count Dooku, he was King Haggard,

454
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Speaker 2: and many more, always bringing a smoldering, dignified presence to

455
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Speaker 2: even the shakiest of projects, and more than proving his

456
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Speaker 2: worth as an actor in the roles that allowed him

457
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Speaker 2: to really shake things up and stand out, so an

458
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: all time great, to be sure.

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Speaker 3: Bringing Christopher Lee into your movie is kind of like

460
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: lighting a candle in a room. You know, whatever else

461
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 3: is in the room, the room might have some tacky decor,

462
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 3: it might have some you know, plastic everywhere, but once

463
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 3: you light a candle, something in the room does feel

464
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 3: a little more connected with the ancient and the spiritual

465
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 3: and the powerful. It becomes more dignified and sacred by

466
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 3: the presence of candlelight. Christopher Lee is like that. He

467
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: of course fits right in with a good script and

468
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Speaker 3: you know, in his kind of horror and gothic horror

469
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 3: and high fantasy settings. But bring him even into a

470
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 3: more plastic environment and he becomes the candle light that

471
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Speaker 3: dignifies and mystifies it somewhat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. There are plenty of examples in this film

473
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 2: where he's providing voiceover narration, or it's you know, an

474
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Speaker 2: actual scene interaction between characters, and you're like, you're buying

475
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 2: into what he's laying down. You're like, yeah, yeah, Lee,

476
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 2: he is right, like the dawn of the Werewolf is

477
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: nearly here, and it's backed up by biblical evidence. If

478
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: you take two seconds to analyze any of it, you're like,

479
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: that was nonsense. But Lee makes us believe, at least

480
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: in the moment.

481
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Speaker 3: There were a number of his scenes in this movie

482
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Speaker 3: where the first time I watched them, I was just

483
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 3: kind of like, oh, okay, I was trying to follow.

484
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 3: And then when I went back to make notes and

485
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 3: I typed out the words that he had said, I

486
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 3: was like, what the part about when they get We're

487
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 3: gonna have to discuss his allegation that Queen Steerba is

488
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 3: going to reverse the process of evolution.

489
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, raises so many questions that are not answered.

490
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 2: One of the fun questions to always answer regarding an

491
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 2: actor of this stature and with so many credits and

492
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: him film like this is like, where was he in

493
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 2: his career? I think we might generally say that these

494
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: were the Hollywood years. This like the eighties and into

495
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: the nineties. These were years when I'm to understand Lee

496
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: had moved to Hollywood, he was making a determined effort

497
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: to put behind him Hammer horror, and you know, thinking

498
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 2: that it was limiting his options back home. And he

499
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 2: was appearing in a number of number of different sorts

500
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 2: of films. There were some, you know, some fantasy films,

501
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 2: various comedies, so to a certain extent, he was kind of,

502
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: you know, stretching his legs a little bit and trying

503
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 2: on different sorts of roles. But I don't know, there

504
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: are a lot of films in this period that are

505
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: kind of forgettable. There are some standouts like eighty Two's

506
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,479
Speaker 2: of the Last Unicorn, in which he is the voice

507
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: of King Haggard who has captured all of the unicorns.

508
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 2: Pretty great role. And then even into the nineties, I mean,

509
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: you get things like Grimlin's two, during which he apparently

510
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: apologized to Joe Dante for the Howling two, which I

511
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 2: think is unnecessary. I think Dante Dante gets it, but

512
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: you know, and then there's like The Rainbow Thief, but

513
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 2: in some other curios. But really it's not until Fellowship

514
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: of the Ring in two thousand and one that it

515
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,479
Speaker 2: seems to me that Lee like really sort of comes

516
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 2: back into full stature and people begin to really take

517
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: note of him again. And you know, I'm not just

518
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 2: say that every everything he's in after that point is golden,

519
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: but you kind of see this later portion of his

520
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 2: career that has a number of standouts in it.

521
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Speaker 3: He experienced a marvelous resurrection of his career in the

522
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 3: early two thousands due to Lord of the Rings.

523
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it almost feels at times like

524
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: the people knew that the Lord of the Rings was

525
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: coming one way or another. And I think a number

526
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 2: of people knew that this is the only guy who

527
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: can play Soomon.

528
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: And who else could have been Samon.

529
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, They're like, just keep him active, keep him acting

530
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: and things that are gonna you know, keep him limber.

531
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: But we need we need to contain his energy, we

532
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: need to prepare him, we need to hold on to

533
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: him and keep him with us until we can make

534
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: these movies. M all right. So that's Christopher Lee easily

535
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: the best act during this film, but not the only actor.

536
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: Moving through some of the other human characters. We can

537
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: argue to what degree Stephan is human or mortal? A

538
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: number of questions there. But we have Jenny and Ben.

539
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: These are our two human protagonists, really, and.

540
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 3: God bless them. You know they're trying.

541
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: I mean they're sandwiched in here between Christopher Lee, Sybil Danning,

542
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: and a whole bunch of were wolves and they're doing

543
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: their best. And you know, at least with Ben, the

544
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: character of Ben, he does stand out. We'll get to

545
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: him the second but first Jenny, played by Annie McEnroe

546
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: born nineteen fifty five, American actress with some fun genre

547
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: credits here, beginning with the TV movie Snowbeast in seventy seven.

548
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Speaker 3: Have you seen that one?

549
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: I haven't. I've heard good things about it, though. This

550
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: one is one that I think there's a lot of

551
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: excitement about recently.

552
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: Oh wait, I don't know what the recent excitement is.

553
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 3: I just know because I saw it on I think VHS,

554
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 3: probably a long long time ago. It's like a so

555
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 3: the idea is it so a rip off of Jaws.

556
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: It's like the structure of Jaws, but with a yetti

557
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 3: instead of a shark.

558
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: There you go. Ok it sounds great.

559
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: But what was the recent news about it?

560
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: I think it just received new attention. I can't remember.

561
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: I can't remember what form it took. It might have

562
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: taken the form of a wrist track coverage, or maybe

563
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: it was like just a You know, some of these

564
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: films will get a new DVD Blu Ray release and

565
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: people will get excited about them again, unless I'm confusing

566
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: it with another snow based horror movie, which is possible.

567
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Speaker 3: Okay, well I have to come back to it.

568
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So McEnroe follows this up with such films as

569
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: Oliver Stone's The Hand in eighty one, Battle Truck in

570
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: eighty two. She followed up Howling two with a cameo

571
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Speaker 2: in Michael Mann's Manhunter And That was in eighty six,

572
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: and then a supporting role in David Byrne's True Stories.

573
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: She also has a performer credit in That Wall Street

574
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: in eighty seven, Beatlejuice in eighty eight. She's the real

575
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 2: litter in That enrolls in several subsequent Oliver Stone films.

576
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 2: She met her husband, producer Edward R. Press And on

577
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: the set of The Hand.

578
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, just earlier, I asked a movie. I

579
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: asked if a movie was a remake of Beast with

580
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: Five Fingers. But Oliver Stone's The Hand is a remake

581
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 3: of Beast with Five Fingers.

582
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: Essentially, right. Yeah, it's a disembodied hand slash transplant movie. Yeah.

583
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: I must have seen this in the notes and subconsciously

584
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 3: been thinking about it or something.

585
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one I've wanted to revisit for a while.

586
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: That one. That's probably one of my favorite Oliver Stone films.

587
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Speaker 3: I mean no offense to Annie McEnroe. She seems great,

588
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: but a kind of bewildered performance in the movie. I

589
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: think she's just getting through it.

590
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And then we have Ben, and Ben is

591
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: played by B movie action powerhouse Reb Brown.

592
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of bewildering but a frequently bewildering action star.

593
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: I have suggested on the show before that we sometimes

594
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 3: just do a Reb Brown film festival series because he

595
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 3: is in so many weird B movies. He's in the

596
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 3: Italian leather diaper barbarian movie Your Hunter from the Future,

597
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: directed by Antonio Margheriti, which is no. I think he

598
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 3: made a movie we've done on the show before. Was

599
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 3: it a cannibal Apocalypse? Is that right?

600
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,959
Speaker 2: Was that the Margeriti film? I know we have covered too,

601
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: think so yeah, okay.

602
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: And Reb Brown was also in a ripoff of Predator

603
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: I think maybe an Italian Filipino ripoff of Predator called

604
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 3: Robo war Ye, which that one is not especially watchable.

605
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: A lot of it's just kind of boring, like commandos

606
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 3: walking around in the jungle, but there are some very

607
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: funny parts in it.

608
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Reb Brown is He's the for my taste anyway,

609
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: the perfect sort of B movie muscle bound action hero

610
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: because you have that nice combination of Yes, he's big

611
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: and muscly and objectively handsome, but he is also awkward

612
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: on screen. Yes, in this film especially. I mean it's

613
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Speaker 2: in the and I love him. I don't mean any

614
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: of this as a dig. Like, if you give me

615
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: the choice between Reb Brown and I don't know the

616
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: Barbarian Brothers or I don't know even any number of

617
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: very competent muscle actors, I'm going to say, please put

618
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: Reb Brown in there, because he is entertaining.

619
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Speaker 3: Always love a Reb Brown performance, even though it is frequently,

620
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 3: as I said, bewildering. A lot of strange choices in

621
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: the line delivery is just kind of why did he

622
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: have that inflection? I don't know, but they kept it,

623
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: and it's I'm glad they did.

624
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean a lot of people are going to

625
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: know him best from the nineteen eighty eight sci fi

626
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: epics Space Mutiny, which was riffed on MS two three K.

627
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: That was the one that co starred John Philip Law,

628
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: Cameron Mitchell, and Reb's wife Sissy Cameron.

629
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 3: And he's blast hard cheese. Yeah yeah.

630
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: So many scenes in that film are him firing a

631
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: weapon and letting out just this primal scream like that's

632
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: just bewildering. It's just bewildering. And he gets to do

633
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: that all the time in this movie as well.

634
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: Shoots the gun, either before or after he shoots the gun,

635
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 3: or before or after he charges in to tackle someone

636
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 3: gravelly high pitched shriek, which is kind of his signature

637
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 3: move that really distinguished him from the other meat meat

638
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 3: based musclemen of the time. Like, you know, Red Brown

639
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,959
Speaker 3: is never going to be as big a movie star

640
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 3: as Arnold or Stallone, but they do not shriek like this.

641
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: You will remember him because he's the only one that shrieks.

642
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, yeah, he's so he's tremendous. Inness loved him.

643
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: Let's see, I'll briefly mentioned a few of the things

644
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: he was in. He's Captain America twice on TV.

645
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 3: I've thought we should maybe do one of these, one

646
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 3: of the alternative Captain America movies from before the Marvel renaissance.

647
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: There are actually multiple ones. There is the one directed

648
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 3: by Albert Pyune that has JD. Saliner's son and that

649
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: Captain America Captain America, and then there are also the

650
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: Red Brown ones, which I haven't seen. The Red Brown ones,

651
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: but I'm very interested.

652
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 2: One of them has Christopher Lee in it, presumably is

653
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 2: the villain, so it looks good. He did a lot

654
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 2: of TV work. He was on stuff like The Love

655
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: Boat Three's Company back in the day. Yeah. He followed

656
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 2: up Halloween two with Death of a Soldier, which I

657
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: mentioned previously, and yeah, just been in a ton of

658
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: a ton of action films over the years and then

659
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: occasionally shows up in stuff like he has a minor

660
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: role in nineteen ninety one's Flight of the Intruder. But

661
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: you don't want Red Brown in a minor role. You

662
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 2: want in front center. And that's what this film offers.

663
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 2: All right. Moving on, Yeah, let's talk about Sybil Danning,

664
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: who plays Sturba in this film. The Werewolf Queen born

665
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty Austrian American b movie queen of the seventies

666
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 2: and eighties. We've talked about her before in our episode

667
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties Battle Beyond the Stars and nineteen eighty three's Hercules.

668
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Yeah, I definitely remembered her from Battle beyond

669
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 3: the Stars, in which she plays a kind of gleaming

670
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 3: armored angel alien.

671
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, her costumes and these films are often extravagant

672
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 2: and amazing, and the same is true of this film

673
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 2: as Volk We'll get to.

674
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean When I say a

675
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 3: Sybil Danning performance, she often seems to be performing in

676
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: a costume from a different film. Yes, yes, does that

677
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: make it's the case in this one too.

678
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, she had a designated costume designer on this film.

679
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: This was, in fact Peter Mitchell. His credit is Costume

680
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 2: Designer Sibyl Danning. He was an Australian fashion designer turned

681
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: costume designer for Australian ballets, operas and theatrical productions before

682
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: making the move to la where he was working at

683
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: the time. And so all of her costumes were designed,

684
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: fitted multiple times and then shipped out to then Czechoslovakia

685
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: for the shoot.

686
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: So, her character in this movie is supposed to be

687
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 3: like an ancient vampire queen, and the first time we

688
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: see her, she's dressed in an old kind of crone's

689
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 3: robe before she has a magical sort of vampiric rejuvenation

690
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: process go through. But so when we first see her,

691
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 3: it seems like she's in line with this old world aesthetic.

692
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 3: She's like a witch from the Middle Ages or something.

693
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: But then she spends i don't know, the other sixty

694
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 3: percent of the movie wearing like a fim Darth Vader outfit. Yeah,

695
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: that's a like a very feminine body shape, emphasizing black

696
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: leather and metal pieces. Robotic kind of design.

697
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, made from real leather, real brass, and gives her

698
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: the look like she just came off of a runway. Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah.

699
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 2: You can't think to her about where this costume came from,

700
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: but she does look pretty fabulous in it. So Danning

701
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: started out in erotic and sexploitation films of the seventies.

702
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: She was a model turned actress, but steadily worked her

703
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: way into more mainstream pictures like seventy two's Bluebeard and

704
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: the Gallo, The Red Queen Kills seven seven Times. Sorry

705
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: had a page jump there, The Red Red Queen Kills

706
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: seven Times. Do you know this one, Joe?

707
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 3: I've seen it, but I forgot she was in it.

708
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: It's been a while since I've seen it. This is

709
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: one of those it's a very jallo title. It's a

710
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 3: whole sentence.

711
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 2: There's a nice interview with her on the Vinegar Syndrome

712
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: disc and she points out that this kind of like

713
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 2: jump from European cinema, like European low budget cinema to

714
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: bigger budget Hollywood affairs meant that she no longer had

715
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: to apply her own makeup using a mirror hanging on

716
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: a tree, which was a fun, fun example that she

717
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: drew here. Like even with a film like Howling Too,

718
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: she's in an example, she's in a case, she's in

719
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: a film where she's getting professional makeup and professional costume design.

720
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: One thing I have read about Sybil Danning is it

721
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 3: seems like she had a great sense of humor about

722
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 3: being in ridiculous B movies, not somebody who was like,

723
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 3: you know, annoyed or thought that this was beneath her.

724
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 3: It's like she thinks this is hilarious and just having

725
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 3: a great time.

726
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she was. The extras for this. She was

727
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: talking about like it was just super fun to play

728
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: Queen of the Werewolves and just embody this this feminine

729
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: character that has all of this power, gets to wear

730
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 2: all of these cool outfits. So yeah, a lot of fun.

731
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: There's one little story that she shares too. Apparently she

732
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 2: showed up on set with a swollen eye from a

733
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: spa mishap, like spa oil got in her eye, and

734
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 2: this is a scene where she's gonna wear that brass

735
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: and leather outfit, and she's like, you can't film me,

736
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: like look in my eyes. This looks horrible. But Felipe

737
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: More of the directors like, a, we can't lose any

738
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: time on this and we can't burn a day of shooting.

739
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: But then he says, let's get you some sunglasses and

740
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: gets these pair of sunglasses four and she's like, well,

741
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: what a thousand year old werewolf queen? Where are these?

742
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 2: Like does this make sense? And More reportedly told her, Sybil,

743
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 2: you're the queen of the werewolves. You can do whatever

744
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: the hell you like. So I like that. But yeah,

745
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: she has a ton of great credits. She was in

746
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: The Three Musketeers in seventy three and it's seventy four

747
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: sequel that I think we're filmed back to back. Those

748
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: film featured Christopher Lee as well. She appeared in God's

749
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 2: Gun in seventy six, starring Lee van Cleef Believe that's

750
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: a spaghetti western. And amid all of this, she continued

751
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 2: to appear in various genre films like eighty three's Chained Heat,

752
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: a women's prison film with Linda Blair and John Vernon,

753
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: fred Olin Ray's The Tomb in eighty six, which we

754
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: might come back for The Phantom Empire in eighty eight.

755
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 2: I believe that's also fred Olin Ray, and then a

756
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: number of action films that kind of round out her

757
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 2: main period of on screen activity. Eighty six is The

758
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: Panther Squad, which she co produced and starred in, and

759
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: La Bounty in eighty nine, which she co produced, co wrote,

760
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 2: and starred in opposite Wingshuser. Oh Wings all right, yeah, yeah,

761
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: the late Wingshuser rip. And she's remained active as a

762
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 2: producer and occasionally has acted, including in rob Zombies, were Wolf,

763
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: Women of the ss Ground Grindhouse trailer, and she was

764
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: also at least has some sort of a small role

765
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: in his two thousand and seven Halloween remake.

766
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: Oh, I haven't seen that since it came out. I

767
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 3: forgot she was in it.

768
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

769
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 3: Well again, As Roger Ebert said, no one presides over

770
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 3: a ritual quite like Sybil Danning, and I think he's

771
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: absolutely right. She she just seems born to like stand

772
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 3: like this while the magic is going on, and people are,

773
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: you know, kneeling before her.

774
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, some great ceremonies in this one.

775
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: However, we should point out that this movie does not

776
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 3: only have one great werewolf woman villain. There's another one

777
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: played by Marsha Hunt.

778
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: That's right, playing Marianne. We've talked about Marshall Hunt before

779
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: on the show because she was in well, she was

780
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: in a few different films, so she was an eighty

781
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: Two's the Sender, eighty threes, Never Say Never Again, but

782
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: also Dracula AD nineteen seventy two, which of course starred

783
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 2: Christopher Lee. Ah yeah, okay, yeah, so she was a model.

784
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: It is Slash was a model, singer, actor, author, editor,

785
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: and she was also famously in a relationship with Nick

786
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: Jagger and the two had a daughter together.

787
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: She also seems to really have a great sense of

788
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: humor about what's going on here and does not hold back,

789
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: plays up her like werewolf transformations and all that to

790
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 3: the extent that the makeup effects can keep up. But yeah,

791
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: she's great.

792
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: She's good. She has some pretty good makeup in this one,

793
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: though when she starts changing.

794
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 3: Well, there are parts where she's not even like fully

795
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 3: wolf mode. Like there's this shot of her kind of

796
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 3: halfway there, like where her face is starting to change

797
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: and she's just kind of looking back and forth and snarling,

798
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 3: and they use the same shot like three different times

799
00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: in the movie.

800
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's also good at just embodying the wolf

801
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 2: even when she's she hasn't started transforming yet.

802
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, she does a great howl, like standing in the

803
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 3: middle of this empty warehouse, and that's great.

804
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: We also have a male werewolf in the mix. We

805
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: have Vlad, played by jud Omen born nineteen forty, American actor,

806
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: best known for roles in eighty four's Red Red Dawn,

807
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 2: eighty five's Peewee's Big Adventure, and also David Lynch's Done.

808
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 2: We devoted two whole episodes of Weird House Cinema to

809
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty four adaptation of Doune, and the cast,

810
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 2: of course, is so stacked that I don't think we

811
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: even really properly mentioned Omen in that. But he played

812
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: the Fremen Jamas in that, the one that Paul must

813
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 2: overcome in single combat as he is entering into Fremen culture.

814
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 3: Oh, I forgot about that. Okay, Yeah, but in this, Yeah,

815
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 3: he's a werewolf here named Vlad. Who is I would

816
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 3: say the other main werewolf apart from Stierba and Marianna.

817
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think he's like Stierba's second in command

818
00:43:59,560 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: sort of.

819
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

820
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: But anyway omens credits go, they go all the way

821
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: back to an uncredited role in seventy three Serpico, with

822
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: TV and film roles going up through I believe two

823
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: thousand and five. His other films include eighty nine's Chud

824
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 2: two Bud, The Chud, and The greens doll Man. And

825
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 2: let's see just a couple of other quick references of

826
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: people in this We have Ferdy Maine playing Earl. He

827
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 2: lived nineteen sixteen through nineteen eighty eight. German born characteristic actor,

828
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: best known for roles and the Fearless Vampire Killers in

829
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: sixty seven where Eagles Dare in sixty eight, Conan the

830
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 2: Destroyer in eighty four and eighty six is Pirates. Often

831
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: played Germanic baddies and or vampires of sorts.

832
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I like his look as a henchman because

833
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 3: he's not like a meaty muscle guy. He almost comes

834
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 3: off as a professorial henchman.

835
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then again, this film was shot a lot

836
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: of it was shot in then Czechoslovakia, and we do

837
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 2: have a number of check actors that have roles, including

838
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: a diminutive check actor diminutive in height but not in talent,

839
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: Yuri Critinar. I hope I'm saying that correctly. Critinar. He

840
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: lived nineteen forty seven through twenty fifteen, and he plays

841
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: this character. He's a good guy Vasili right, Vasila Yasila. Yeah,

842
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: good guy and eventually some bad things are going to

843
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 2: happen to him. But a fun role here. His credits

844
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 2: go back to sixty nine and include such Check films

845
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 2: as seventy three's Three Wishes for Cinderella and Jan schunk

846
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: Meyer's Lunacy in two thousand and five, and even a

847
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: count Bathory movie Bathory Countess of Blood from two thousand

848
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: and eight, alongside some other foreign productions that were filmed

849
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: in then Czechoslovakia or later in the Czech Republic, including

850
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four.

851
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 3: As Amadaeis, he is involved in. I think both of

852
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 3: the two creepiest scenes in the movie, both his death

853
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 3: and his ignominious resurrection scene are like the actually scariest

854
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: things in here.

855
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And then finally, the score. The score is

856
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 2: pretty great here, and it is by Stephen W. Parsons

857
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: born nineteen fifty one British rocker, composer, songwriter and record producer,

858
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: best known outside of film for his work with the

859
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: band Sharks, but he was also involved in various other

860
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: bands and performs this movie's excellent theme song Howling with

861
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: the band Babble, which I think was assembled for this

862
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: picture out of some frequent collaborators of his.

863
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 3: Okay, and so you actually see the band perform the

864
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 3: song on stage in a scene in the film, and

865
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 3: then you get to hear the song about eight more

866
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 3: times before the whole guys get over. They play it

867
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 3: so so much.

868
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: It's one of these where I'm like, I hope you

869
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: like the theme song because you're gonna hear it a lot,

870
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: but you're gonna hear it so much you're probably gonna

871
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 2: love it by the end. It's gonna win you over.

872
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:01,959
Speaker 2: You have no choice. Yeah.

873
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really gets in there, and it almost becomes

874
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: this kind of background hum in the film, like you

875
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 3: kind of stop noticing when Babel is playing again.

876
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Parsons had never composed a film score before,

877
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: but he cites Giorgio Moroder is a prime influence on

878
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 2: the electro electronic stylings that are present here, with obvious

879
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: new wave flavors as well. Parsons would go on to

880
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 2: score numerous projects, including eighty nine's Food of the Gods

881
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: Too and Hey nineteen ninety two Split Second, which we

882
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: previously discussed on Weird House Cinema, a score that was

883
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: allegedly selected over a Windy Carlos score if you can

884
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: believe it.

885
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 3: Wow, I have vague memories of that, but yeah, that's

886
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 3: a strange choice. But yeah, how to describe this song

887
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: by Babel that you keep hearing. I'd say it's the

888
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: center of a venda diagram of Devo, Oingo Boingo and

889
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: the Damned. So it has that new wave sensibility, a

890
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 3: little bit of punk, a little bit of electronic. Does

891
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 3: they play a key tar?

892
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah apparently apparently the concert scene they

893
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: shot in Czechoslovakia, but they had to like fly in

894
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: a bunch of la garbage to properly illiterate, some of

895
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 2: which got confiscated before it could enter. Like I think

896
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: they were trying to bring in some playboys to be

897
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: on the on the ground and they're like, no, can't

898
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: bring this in a quick note on the locations here, again,

899
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: much of the film's charm I think, I think comes

900
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: from the great Czech locations and sets, like we see

901
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: this castle at one point, we see Prague's medieval astronomical clock.

902
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: And on top of this, we do have some scenes

903
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 2: that were shot in the US, most for some reshoots

904
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 2: and so forth. Most notably, Frank Lloyd writes in his

905
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: house in la a home that has been featured in

906
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: various films, including fifty nine's House on Haunted Hill and

907
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two's Blade Runner.

908
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 3: Hmm, okay, is this Christopher Lee's house in the movie

909
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 3: with the textured columns.

910
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can see those columns with that like signature,

911
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: kind of like cube square repeating square pattern.

912
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: There's a maze carved into the columns. Yeah, all right,

913
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: are you ready to talk about the plot.

914
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Let's make sense of it. Let's

915
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: justify the ways of God demand here.

916
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 3: We will make sense of it. We begin in outer

917
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 3: space with the voice of Christopher Lee ringing in our ears.

918
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 3: He says, for it is written, the inhabitants of the

919
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 3: earth have been made drunk with her blood. And then

920
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 3: at this point, an image of Christopher Lee in a

921
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: suit and tie fades in superimposed on the starfield. He

922
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 3: looks kind of like he's giving prepared remarks. He's like

923
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 3: reading from a book or something, but of course it's

924
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: just like you know, book of revelation stuff. Also, there

925
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 3: is a skeleton hanging out behind him. Do you notice

926
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 3: that just at his elbow, a skeleton.

927
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

928
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 3: So he goes on and I saw her sit upon

929
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 3: the hairy beast, and she held forth a golden chalice

930
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 3: full of the filthiness of her fornications, and upon her

931
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 3: forehead was written, Behold, I am the Great Mother of

932
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 3: Harlot's and all abominations of the Earth. So there's your

933
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 3: your book of revelation stuff. Have we talked about recently?

934
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 3: Why how come every horror movie that quotes the Bible

935
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 3: it's always got to be the Book of Revelation. Why

936
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 3: should do a horror movie that quotes the Sermon on

937
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 3: the Mount or something.

938
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: I mean, there's where all the wacky cryptic stuff is

939
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 2: not all of the wacky cryptics.

940
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 3: But I'm not I should have phrased that differently. It's

941
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 3: not surprising why you go there, That's where a lot

942
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 3: of the most ominous and dangerous sounding stuff is you know,

943
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 3: the Yeah, the cryptic and monstrous imagery. I just feel

944
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 3: like I'm it's played out, you know. Yeah, we've heard

945
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 3: from the Book of Revelation and horror movies before. Let's

946
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 3: let's let's source somewhere else.

947
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, now does where do we see him holding the

948
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 2: Book of Revelation here?

949
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 3: Or is that I don't remember. I don't remember what

950
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 3: we see. He's clearly reading from something.

951
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 2: Okay, at some point I believe he's reading from Revelation,

952
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: but it's the middle of the book, so I don't

953
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: know which Bible this is.

954
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the one that had a lot of

955
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 3: extra stuff, Yeah, the bonus chapters. So from here we

956
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: go into what I thought was a breathtakingly ugly credit

957
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 3: sequence because the text on the screen is in this

958
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 3: zany font where the letters are read with blue outlines,

959
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 3: so it looks almost like a three D effect, but

960
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 3: this is not a three D movie. And also, in

961
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 3: whatever font this is, the t's look like c's So

962
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 3: this movie is scarring Christopher Lee or scarring Chris Koeperlee.

963
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 3: And the credits music is this very eighties rock song.

964
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 3: I guess this is probably the Babbel song. I made

965
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 3: this note before we got to the Babbel scene.

966
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, yeah, we hear the Babbel theme song a lot,

967
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 2: so very likely, and I would agree this this is

968
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 2: kind of an ugly way to start the picture.

969
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the imagery here, I mean, the background image

970
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 3: is kind of interesting. It's a montage of European castles

971
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 3: and old mansions and these flashes of disturbing art, Like

972
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 3: one of the close ups is a kind of copycat

973
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 3: of Goya's painting of Saturn devouring his son, a bunch

974
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 3: of somber faces and themes of witchcraft. Then we cut

975
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 3: to and text on screen says Los Angeles, California, USA.

976
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 3: Glad we know it's the one in USA, and then

977
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 3: text on the screen after this as City of the Angels.

978
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 2: And none of this is AP style guide.

979
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. So we go to an LA cathedral and join

980
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 3: the congregation for a funeral where the priest is giving

981
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 3: a eulogy that begins with the statement the death of

982
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 3: anyone is a sad occasion. It feels kind of impersonal.

983
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like this one's supposed to be especially sad

984
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: because this is our funeral.

985
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 3: Come on, Also, this LA based priest has a British accent.

986
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 3: He kind of sounds like Eric Idol, And I did

987
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 3: not recognize the style of the vestments he's wearing. It

988
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 3: looks kind of like an old time e Quaker outfit.

989
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 3: So I don't know if that's a denomination. I don't

990
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 3: know what the priests normally look like in But so,

991
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 3: the funeral here is for a person named Karen White,

992
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 3: who was the main character of the first Howling film,

993
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 3: played by d Wallace. The corpse here is not d Wallace,

994
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 3: it's somebody else playing this character, and the priest explains

995
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 3: that she was murdered in the prime of her life,

996
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 3: and then the eulogy takes a turn. He says it

997
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 3: is small consolation for her family and friends, but it

998
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 3: is a sign of the terrible times we live in,

999
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 3: that the anonymous of violence characterizing our cities can claim

1000
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 3: the life of a human being for no reason at all.

1001
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 3: It's just just what everybody wants at their funeral, like

1002
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 3: a strident jeremiad against this six ad world. So anyway,

1003
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 3: while father in Law and Order here keeps blabbing, we

1004
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 3: pan over the crowd and we see several characters, the

1005
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 3: first one that automatically sticks out is Reb Brown. He's

1006
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 3: sitting in a pew between some much older people, and

1007
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 3: he is a whole head taller than everybody around him.

1008
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 3: He's wearing a western style blazer with a bowlow tie.

1009
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 3: And this is going to be the character Ben White,

1010
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 3: who is Karen's brother. He's some kind of wild West

1011
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 3: Montana lawman who has come into town for his sister's funeral.

1012
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 3: The camera also stops a couple of times to focus

1013
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 3: on a woman in the audience played by Annie McEnroe.

1014
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 3: This will be the character Jenny Templeton. She is a

1015
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 3: journalist who worked with Karen at the local LA news station.

1016
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 3: And then, finally, standing in the back of the church,

1017
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 3: we see Christopher Lee. There's no skeleton beside him now,

1018
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 3: he's just standing there behind the congregation, looking very solemn,

1019
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 3: staring at the floor. The priest's eulogy goes on to

1020
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 3: make the following points. He says, there's no way to

1021
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 3: bring Karen back from the dead. Usually do they specify that,

1022
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 3: But then he says her death. Says, however, her death

1023
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 3: might prove useful in that it causes us all to

1024
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 3: reflect on our lives, to believe in the power of

1025
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 3: love and to rid our thoughts, rid our hearts of

1026
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 3: all thoughts of hate. M okay, I just I have

1027
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,439
Speaker 3: notes for this guy. He needs to work on his eulogizing.

1028
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 3: But then the whole church says amen, and I like

1029
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 3: how I think the third time they say amen, you

1030
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 3: can distinctly hear Christopher Lee's voice saying amen, like an

1031
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 3: octave below everybody else. Paul bearers carry the coffin away

1032
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 3: and they deposit it in some kind of crypt But

1033
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 3: the moment the coffin is shut up so no one

1034
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 3: else can see, we get a shot inside the coffin

1035
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,720
Speaker 3: and Karen's eyes suddenly pop open.

1036
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 2: Oh, this is when I think we begin to connect

1037
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 2: the dots. This is the titular sister Yea, and she

1038
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 2: is Awarewolf. There you go, I think, So maybe somebody

1039
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 2: will clarify that for us later in the picture.

1040
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 3: Oh, they'll clarify a few times in the next scene.

1041
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 3: So we cut to the crowd at the cemetery leaving

1042
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 3: the funeral service, And at first I didn't know where

1043
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 3: the cemetery location was. As soon as I saw it,

1044
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 3: I was thinking I would be really surprised if this

1045
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 3: was actually shot in La. It's actually quite beautiful. It's

1046
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 3: this heavily overgrown forest graveyard with old headstones and monuments

1047
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 3: covered in vines, so it's very green and shady, with

1048
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 3: this full tree canopy overhead. There's ivy on all the

1049
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 3: tree trunks, a dappled sunlight coming through its beautiful environment.

1050
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 3: So I went and did a little digging online to

1051
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 3: see if I could figure out where this was. I

1052
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 3: am not positive, but I think this might be a

1053
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 3: place called Olshawnee or Olshanya Cemetery in Prague, which has

1054
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 3: a very romantic, overgrown appearance.

1055
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 2: Rob.

1056
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 3: I put a couple of pictures of this cemetery in

1057
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 3: the outline for you to look at. It has a

1058
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 3: similar appearance. So I think this is where it is.

1059
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 3: And it would make sense because the movie was largely

1060
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 3: shot in Prague, even though this part is supposed to

1061
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 3: be set in La.

1062
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Another example of how they really benefit from some

1063
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 2: of these locations.

1064
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. So as the people are walking away from the mausoleum,

1065
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 3: we close in on two of them. It's Jenny who

1066
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 3: he saw at the funeral, and then another man, I

1067
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 3: guess her news editor, and he's saying, quote, I just

1068
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 3: phoned the station. The police leaked the story that six

1069
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 3: bodies were found mauled and killed by either wild dogs

1070
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 3: or coyotes. The coroner said that the marks found on

1071
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 3: the bodies were made by canine teeth. I want you

1072
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 3: to cover the story. Meet your film crew out at

1073
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 3: the Hollywood Reservoir. And the first time I saw it,

1074
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 3: I was just like, Okay, this is a weird thing

1075
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 3: to talk about at a funeral. But then on my rewatch,

1076
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, he got a call from the

1077
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 3: police with these hot leaks at the mausoleum. That's where

1078
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 3: they're coming from.

1079
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what's the editor doing out in the field.

1080
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: Usually the editors back at the Newsha.

1081
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 3: So wherever the phone was. This is a weird time,

1082
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 3: place and manner in which to get a TV news assignment.

1083
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 3: But the weirdness continues with this awkward dialogue. So after this,

1084
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 3: Ginny turns and she sees Christopher Lee talking to Reb

1085
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 3: Brown again. Reb Brown is playing Karen's brother Ben, and

1086
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 3: Christopher Lee says to him, almost whispering, your sister is alive.

1087
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 3: Ben says, are you sick, buddy? My sister's dead. And

1088
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 3: then Christopher Lee says it is her immortal soul which

1089
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 3: is in very grave danger. Ben says, I just buried

1090
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 3: my sister. Please leave me alone.

1091
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: One of the all time great cinematic pairings, Christopher Lee

1092
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 2: and Reb Brown amazing.

1093
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 3: So Christopher Lee gives Ben his card and tells him

1094
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 3: to call him later, and then Ben tells him, with

1095
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 3: evident irritation, to get out of here. So christpher Lee leaves,

1096
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 3: and then Jenny the journalist approaches Ben the law man

1097
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 3: and asks to see the card. She reads out loud.

1098
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 3: Stefan crossco a cult investigator. He's got cards printed up

1099
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 3: to say that. And that made me think, how do

1100
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 3: I get a job as an occult investigator?

1101
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 2: I think you can become one, and today it's entirely

1102
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 2: self employed, I would imagine.

1103
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 3: I guess maybe you have to be independently wealthy. You

1104
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 3: get the sense that Chris Frilly comes from money.

1105
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, there might be some sort of verification process like there,

1106
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 2: you know, you have to pass the online quiz or something.

1107
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: But I think it's probably pretty easy to become one,

1108
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 2: a little harder to make a living out of it.

1109
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 3: The licensing may be a bit of a headache. Let's see,

1110
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 3: so everybody's filing out of the cemetery, and here we

1111
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 3: meet a couple of other characters who stand aside watching

1112
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 3: them go. One is an older man in his seventies

1113
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 3: who's gaunt, with a white beard and dark circles under

1114
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 3: his eyes. He's wearing a flat cap and black leather gloves,

1115
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 3: holding a slightly withered bouquet. And this character we will

1116
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 3: later find out is called Earla.

1117
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 2: Earla. I may have caught him Earl earlier.

1118
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 3: Ear Well, it looks like could be Earl, but I

1119
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 3: think it's like a Germanic pronunciation, Earla. And then next

1120
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 3: to him is a beautiful woman of about forty with long,

1121
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 3: voluminous hair, wearing a black dress and a black lace

1122
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 3: veil over her eyes. She stands watching the people and

1123
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 3: she's kind of sneering, curling her lip at them a bit.

1124
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 3: This is the character Marianna, played by Marcia Hunt, and

1125
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 3: it's like, if you haven't seen this movie before, do

1126
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 3: you think these two characters are gonna be were wolves?

1127
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 3: And Earla leans over to Marianna and says it's Stefan,

1128
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 3: and they both snort unhappily. So they are familiar with

1129
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 3: his work, so they do not approve.

1130
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like how they they're setting him up though

1131
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,919
Speaker 2: that like, this is not just a were wolf hunter

1132
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 2: or an or un occult investigator. This is a true

1133
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 2: enemy of the lichen thropes, and they they seem very

1134
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 2: they seem very fearful of him and take his threat

1135
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 2: very seriously.

1136
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 3: I feel like this scene would make more sense if

1137
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 3: Stefan had come from out of town to this funeral,

1138
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 3: but he's just La based, which is odd. So Jenny

1139
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 3: runs out after Christopher Lee and confronts him awkwardly through

1140
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 3: a wrought iron gate to ask him what he knows

1141
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 3: about Karen's death. Stephan says, I know that she is

1142
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 3: a werewolf, then walks away. And then there is a

1143
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 3: scene that happens many times in this film where a

1144
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 3: character tells another character what a different character just said.

1145
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 3: So Jenny tells Ben about the exchange. He doesn't believe it,

1146
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 3: and then suddenly we cut to inside Karen's coffin and

1147
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 3: she is screaming and scratching at the wood. Then we're

1148
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 3: going to cut to the club. This is the music

1149
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 3: club scene we talked about earlier. This scene is a

1150
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 3: lot the plot relevant thing here is that there are

1151
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 3: these three creep hooligans who are hanging out at a

1152
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 3: music club. And it's that thing we've talked about before

1153
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 3: from movies from the eighties, like you get this in

1154
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 3: Return of the Living Dead, where it's a group of

1155
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 3: people but each one is dressed as a different fashion subculture. Yeah,

1156
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 3: so you've got three guys together and like one is

1157
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,919
Speaker 3: a punk, one is a rocker, and one is new wave.

1158
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 3: But they're all creep hooligans. They're hanging out watching the band.

1159
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 3: They start talking to Marianna, who's there at the bar.

1160
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 3: She's the sneering lady from the funeral. They start making

1161
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 3: some vulgar passes at her and she's like, hey, I

1162
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 3: like these vulgar passes. I'm going to invite you to

1163
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 3: a second location. So they all join me warehouse and

1164
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 3: we'll see what happens. Yeah, they all leave together. But

1165
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 3: also here we're seeing the band perform. The band is

1166
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 3: again called Babbel. They're this new wave band. The song

1167
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 3: is called the Howling. I already sort of described the

1168
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 3: sound of it earlier. But they're up there jumping around

1169
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:45,439
Speaker 3: on stage. The main singer is doing some he's got

1170
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 3: one of these like nerd rock star personas where he's

1171
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 3: wearing sunglasses and a new wave suit. He's got kind

1172
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 3: of goofy looking curly hair, and he's just jumping up

1173
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 3: and down, mugging at the at the audience. The lines

1174
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 3: that we here repeated a lot. In the song. The

1175
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 3: chorus goes like, howling, howling, since the world.

1176
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 2: Began ancient werewolf's all right, now, did you get the

1177
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 2: sense that is he werewolf? Is this a werewolf band?

1178
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 2: Did they work for Steerba?

1179
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 3: Unclear?

1180
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 2: You?

1181
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, So later in the film, they, through editing, create

1182
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 3: the impression that this band is playing at Steerba's castle,

1183
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 3: but they're just showing footage of the same scene of

1184
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 3: them playing at the club.

1185
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, yeah, in the moment, it does make

1186
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 2: it seem like they're there, but yeah, the editing in

1187
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 2: this film is wild. We'll just cut to some close

1188
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 2: up on a werewolf transforming and then back to what's

1189
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 2: actually happening.

1190
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 3: So most of the band here, they're all wearing sunglasses.

1191
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 3: I think maybe the key tar player is not, but

1192
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 3: the rest of them are wearing sunglasses. A lot of

1193
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 3: the people in the audience are wearing sunglasses. And then

1194
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 3: suddenly in the back of the club, we see Christopher

1195
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 3: Lee standing next to a light up Budweiser display and

1196
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 3: he acquiring his own sunglasses, almost like you have to

1197
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 3: have them to be admitted to the club. You know,

1198
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 3: these are our loner pair. So this lady's leaning across

1199
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 3: the counter putting sunglasses on his face. Not sure exactly

1200
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 3: what's going on there. But apart from the sunglasses, Christopher

1201
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 3: Ly's outfit here is bizarre. When you add the sunglasses in,

1202
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 3: he has a cyber snowboarding style. It is an outfit

1203
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 3: so far beneath Christopher Lely's dignity. It's almost all inspiring.

1204
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 3: It's like Sir Ian McKellen in cargo shorts and an

1205
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 3: ICP shirt.

1206
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are like venice beat sunglasses. These are like

1207
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 2: they think those of you who are as old as

1208
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 2: I am, think about the back of the future to

1209
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,959
Speaker 2: sunglasses you would get at Pizza Hut. That's the vibe here.

1210
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. They are radical, rad tubular.

1211
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you got to have them to hang out

1212
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 2: in this club.

1213
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 3: Also, I like all the clearly fake graffiti on the

1214
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 3: walls here. It just does not feel like organic graffiti

1215
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 3: that somebody would leave up. That organic graffiti tends to

1216
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 3: be more personalized and obscure. It points away to different

1217
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 3: things that you would have to understand or know. Instead,

1218
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 3: the graffiti on the walls in this place says things

1219
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 3: like alien sex.

1220
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, some clear fake graffiti yeah again. The case

1221
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 2: here is that they they had to recreate an LA

1222
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 2: like slimy punk scene in then Czechoslovakia using whatever garbage

1223
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 2: they were able to ship in and whatever they were

1224
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 2: able to put together, you know, on location.

1225
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 3: So the three creeps leave the club with Mariana and

1226
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 3: with another woman, and they drive apparently all night until

1227
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 3: they reach a dilapidated empty industrial building looks like it

1228
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 3: might be an old foundry or something, and Mariana goes inside. First,

1229
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 3: she stands in the middle of the big main room

1230
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 3: and starts wolf howling just out out o wooing, and

1231
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 3: then elsewhere we see a close up on some human

1232
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 3: ears that suddenly grow hairy and start becoming pointed. So

1233
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 3: I think Marianna is coming into the place and howling

1234
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 3: at other werewolves there to activate their werewolf mode. So

1235
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 3: the creeps follow inside, Marianna teases them, they turn nasty

1236
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 3: and they start making threats at her, and then in

1237
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 3: a hilarious twist, someone from off screen starts chucking objects

1238
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 3: at the creeps, like the new wave guy named Deacon

1239
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 3: gets a bottle smashed on his head and then one

1240
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 3: of the other guys is in the middle of saying like, oh,

1241
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 3: you shouldn't make Deacon mad, and he gets pelted with

1242
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 3: this big piece of pipe. Yeah.

1243
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 2: I love that the werewolves have ranged attacks in this.

1244
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 2: You know, they don't come in like like hunting wolves. First,

1245
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,439
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a They're gonna just throw a bunch

1246
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 2: of crap at you. I love it. Yeah.

1247
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 3: Then they go in for the bites. Yeah. So these

1248
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 3: guys get their weapons out. Deacon has a switchblade and

1249
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 3: the other guy's twirling a chain, so they're going into

1250
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 3: battle mode. But are these guys they're going to stand

1251
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 3: up to were wolf power? Obviously not so. Deacon tries

1252
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 3: to chase down Marianna, but when he finds her, she

1253
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:14,880
Speaker 3: has now partially transformed into a wolf. She attacks him,

1254
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 3: and then his friends see his severed hand fall to

1255
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 3: the floor, still gripping the switchblade. The two other guys

1256
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 3: and the lady they start to freak out and scatter,

1257
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 3: but they can't escape. One by one, they get chased

1258
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 3: down and mulled by the wolf pack. One of them

1259
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 3: gets knocked off the roof of the factory, another gets

1260
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 3: hit by a falling box, and of course, all through

1261
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 3: the scene we're hearing the song again, the same song

1262
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 3: by Babbel.

1263
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 2: But this is pretty good. This is just were wolves

1264
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 2: eating human scum for the most part.

1265
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so by horror movie logic, it should have

1266
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 3: known better. Yeah, So anyway, let's pay a visit to

1267
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 3: the occult Investigator. So Ben and Jenny are driving together.

1268
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 3: I don't know why they're riding together. Now, do these

1269
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 3: people previously know each other? I don't think. So they're

1270
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 3: driving together up a winding road in the hills, and

1271
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,479
Speaker 3: we hear their conversation. They are heading out to meet

1272
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 3: Stefan Steffan Crossco. Ben is like, why do you want

1273
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 3: to talk to this crack pot? But he's already in

1274
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,759
Speaker 3: the car on the way there, and Jenny says, because

1275
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 3: he knows something about Karen and because quote, it might

1276
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 3: be an incredible story. I guess, like for the news.

1277
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 3: Multiple times in this movie there are lines where that

1278
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 3: suggests that Jenny is involved in this story at all,

1279
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 3: because she has journalism related ambitions, but the performance does

1280
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 3: not sell these ambitions.

1281
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and do we see her take notes? Do we

1282
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 2: see her quotes or anything?

1283
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 3: Not at all. There's no journalism being done except I guess,

1284
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 3: well except I guess in the scene where she's talking

1285
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 3: to Stefan, But I don't recall her taking notes there either.

1286
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1287
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 3: So anyway, maybe she's just vibe journalism, you know, I'll

1288
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 3: get a basic idea of So they go to his

1289
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 3: house and on the way there they have more conversations

1290
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 3: before they meet him, and the dialogue is full of

1291
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 3: awkward exposition for the benefit of the viewer. At one point,

1292
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,679
Speaker 3: Jenny says, look, Ben, why don't you just go back

1293
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 3: to your sheriff's office in Montana? And he responds drawing

1294
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 3: his service revolver. He like pulls out a revolver and

1295
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,600
Speaker 3: he says something else. Country boys know, when the varmints

1296
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 3: start knocking off the chickens, we start knocking off the varmints.

1297
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 3: And I was like, wait a minute, does he believe

1298
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 3: in the werewolves or not?

1299
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 2: If not, was he talking about Yeah, yeah, he's just

1300
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 2: talking about killing a bunch of people. I guess if

1301
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 2: he's not, If he's not come to believe in werewolves

1302
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: by this point.

1303
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 3: But what people would he be talking about?

1304
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 2: Whoever gets in his way? I don't know, I don't know. Yeah,

1305
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 2: pulled out a revolver.

1306
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 3: So also, there's just general wardrobe weirdness in this movie.

1307
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 3: I mean, so Christopher Lee, his wardrobe is pretty. He's

1308
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 3: just wearing a dark suit the whole time, but they've

1309
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 3: got reb brown in the denim tuxedo, so he's wearing

1310
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 3: a red gingham shirt, and then the whole movie from

1311
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 3: here on he's wearing blue jeans and a matching blue

1312
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 3: denim jacket, so he's just this column of blue.

1313
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 2: The budget was probably spent mostly on Sibyl's wardrobe. Yeah,

1314
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 2: everyone else, you know, you get what you get.

1315
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. Any McEnroe's outfit is also strange and interesting. She's

1316
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 3: wearing a blue necktie and this red sweater vest that

1317
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 3: like is open in the front but joined at the waist.

1318
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 3: I don't know if I've ever seen a garment like

1319
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 3: that before, so I'm not even I don't know what

1320
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 3: that's called. But so, yeah, interesting costume choices for everyone involved. Basically, So,

1321
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,759
Speaker 3: Jinny and Ben head into Crossco's house, where he invites

1322
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 3: them to sit in his living room full of candles

1323
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 3: and chemistry beakers, occult tomes, skeletons, prosthetic monster heads. It's

1324
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 3: just like sm Savini stopped by and brought his brought

1325
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 3: all his heads with him. It's got a bunch of

1326
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 3: tape recording and playback equipment, and he makes a pitch

1327
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 3: to them. He shows them a silver or no, he

1328
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 3: shows them like a wooden cigarette case full of silver bullets,

1329
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,799
Speaker 3: and he tells them that Karen was killed by bullets

1330
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 3: like these. Quote. Unfortunately they were removed during the autopsy,

1331
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 3: and as a result, she can never rest in peace.

1332
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 2: Classic mistake.

1333
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, this is the same logic that's in play

1334
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,679
Speaker 3: in at least a couple of the Paul Nashy Werewolf

1335
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 3: movies where he gets shot by a silver bullet and

1336
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 3: then there's a medical examination, the silver bullets are removed,

1337
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 3: and then Valdemar Doninski can wake up and rampage again.

1338
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 3: I know this is exactly what happens at the beginning

1339
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 3: of the Werewolf versus the Vampire Women, and I recall

1340
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 3: at least another one of the least saying things. Yea,

1341
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 3: the same thing happens Anyway, When Crossco reiterates that Karen

1342
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 3: was a werewolf, Ben l laughs at him and suggests

1343
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 3: he is insane, but Crossco becomes deadly serious, and he says,

1344
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 3: even now there are great numbers of werewolves living secretly

1345
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 3: among us. Your sister was working on a story about

1346
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 3: one such group and was transformed.

1347
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 2: And if we did mention already, they are referring to

1348
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 2: what happened in the first Howling movie. There is this

1349
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 2: connection between the two films.

1350
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we'll get to more in just a second here.

1351
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 3: But so he explains that after Karen became infected by

1352
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 3: a werewolf fight, she intentionally arranged to be killed with

1353
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,759
Speaker 3: a silver bullet on camera so that she could escape

1354
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 3: her cursed fate. And I guess so that also people

1355
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 3: could see what was happening. But now that the silver

1356
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 3: has been taken out her, she's damned once again, and

1357
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 3: the only way that they can help help her achieve

1358
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 3: rest is with a spike to the heart. Also to

1359
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:58,520
Speaker 3: convince the two of them, Crossco plays the secret videotape

1360
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,799
Speaker 3: of Karen's final nightly news show. Also, every time Christopher

1361
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 3: Lee says the name Karen, he pronounces it like kaw Red,

1362
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 3: like it's a fantasy name from Lord of the Rings,

1363
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 3: Like he doesn't just say like Karen. So this is

1364
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 3: the videotape of kaw Reds last night where so she's

1365
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 3: a news anchor. She's seated behind the desk. She starts

1366
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 3: going wolf mode and then somebody shoots her. And this

1367
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,640
Speaker 3: is indeed how the previous movie ended. And there's a

1368
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 3: stinger kind of at the end, like a humorous ending

1369
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,600
Speaker 3: after that, because it's broadcast, like everybody sees it on

1370
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 3: their TVs. But then people are just like, ah, they'll

1371
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:43,480
Speaker 3: do any gimmick with special effects these days. Nobody believes it. Yeah.

1372
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 3: And then also while they're watching the videotape of the

1373
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 3: werewolf on the news, reb Brown starts tearing up. And

1374
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 3: after this, chrispher Lee shows them a bunch of what

1375
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 3: looked like surveillance camera photos of the character Marianna, and

1376
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 3: he explains that this woman who is at car Red's

1377
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 3: funeral is a were wolf too, and they say she's

1378
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,679
Speaker 3: especially vicious, even more dangerous than most were wolves because

1379
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 3: she is immune to silver. First, that's like, oh, no,

1380
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 3: silver is like the one thing we know will definitely

1381
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 3: work to kill a were wolf. So how can you

1382
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 3: beat her if she's immune to silver. There's one thing

1383
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 3: that can stop her, titanium. It's a different metal.

1384
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it's playing with this logic that like

1385
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 2: titanium is this is super metal. It's like, if silver

1386
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 2: can't do it, you got to turn to titanium. I

1387
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 2: don't know are there other metals on the periodic table

1388
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 2: that would work. I don't know. We don't get any

1389
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 2: answers here.

1390
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 3: I don't know the relative price or rarity of these metals,

1391
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 3: but it would seem to me it can't be that

1392
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 3: much harder to get a titanium weapon made than a

1393
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:48,719
Speaker 3: silver weapon.

1394
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 2: The only metal that can kill this werewolf is a

1395
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,679
Speaker 2: steak of solid mercury. That would be good.

1396
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 3: Oh, because then at room temperature would be liquid.

1397
01:14:59,080 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 2: It's useless.

1398
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's actually great. Somebody should use that, everybody

1399
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 3: who's listening. He said it first.

1400
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 2: I give it to the world. Do with it what

1401
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 2: you will.

1402
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 3: So crossco says that were wolves will never allow another

1403
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 3: werewolf to remain buried in consecrated ground. So tonight, Marianna

1404
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 3: and the other wolves in her coven, they're going to

1405
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 3: be coming to collect Karen's body, and he promises that

1406
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 3: he's going to protect her. He says, I will prevent

1407
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 3: this blasphemy, and he holds up a big sharp knitting needle.

1408
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 3: I guess this is either silver or titanium. But in

1409
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 3: this movie, you kill a were wolf by driving a

1410
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 3: metal steak through its heart. So it's getting a little vampirey. Yeah.

1411
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,759
Speaker 2: As we've covered before, it is often these various places

1412
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 2: where the werewolf and the vampire overlap, and we actually

1413
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 2: see that in folklore as well. That's true, so it's

1414
01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 2: not completely without president. He also does some more exposition here.

1415
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 2: He tells Ben and Jenny that the were wolves have

1416
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 2: a leader. It is a woman named Steerbaugh, and he

1417
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 2: says at the next full moon quote it will be

1418
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 2: the tenth millennium of Steerba's birth. At midnight on that.

1419
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:18,480
Speaker 3: Day, all were wolves will reveal themselves. All the transformations

1420
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 3: have already begun. The process of evolution is reversed. And

1421
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 3: for a second I thought it was going to cut

1422
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 3: away to Ben saying I don't believe in evolution, but

1423
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 3: Christopher Lee goes on to say he says there are

1424
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 3: many stages before men becomes a beast. Before that happens,

1425
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 3: Steerba must be must be destroyed, and I will do it.

1426
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 3: So at this point I was confused. So is he

1427
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:44,680
Speaker 3: saying at midnight on that day Steerba. If Steerba is

1428
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 3: not destroyed, evolution will be reversed because the werewolves will

1429
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 3: all simultaneously go wolf mode? Like is that all he means?

1430
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,560
Speaker 3: Or does he actually mean all evolution will be reversed

1431
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 3: and so everything will just like revert to its its

1432
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 3: an ancestors.

1433
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's that right, I mean the

1434
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 2: stakes are high.

1435
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 3: He suggests worldwide implication.

1436
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, like all humans will become wolves or something like

1437
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 2: a wolf or some sort of something like a wolf.

1438
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 3: Humans evolved from wolves, as we all know.

1439
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 2: Maybe so within the context of this film, it's possible.

1440
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 3: I guess. Maybe it's just meaning like we revert to

1441
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 3: weird little quadrupedal synapsids pre Triassic era. So Jenny, Jenny

1442
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 3: takes the silver bullets from Stefan and they leave, and

1443
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,720
Speaker 3: then there's a scene where Ben and Jenny just sort

1444
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 3: of review all of the exposition they've already taken in,

1445
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 3: with Ben making derisive and skeptical comments throughout. Also at

1446
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 3: the end of this conversation, he says he will kill Stefan.

1447
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 3: I don't know why, but did you want to hear

1448
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 3: that song again by Babbel in the pale, pale light?

1449
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 3: So it fires up, and then we fall Be and

1450
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 3: Jenny as they returned to the cemetery at night. Ben

1451
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 3: has come armed with a rifle. He gives Jenny a pistol.

1452
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 3: I guess we can assume that they put silver bullets

1453
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 3: in both of them, which is confusing because Ben is

1454
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 3: saying he doesn't believe in this, but he is using

1455
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 3: the silver bullets. Our heroes find the gate hanging open,

1456
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 3: and they hear wolves howling in the distance, and then

1457
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 3: they're creeping through the woods to Karen's grave, and we

1458
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 3: keep hearing the same wolf howl sample, and Jenny is like,

1459
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:29,520
Speaker 3: I think it's coyotes.

1460
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, codies sound like that. Sure.

1461
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 3: And here is where I mentioned earlier that there are

1462
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 3: actually some quite nice looking horror shots, and there are

1463
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 3: a couple in this scene, Like there's one where we

1464
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 3: see the woods in the dark, and then there's a

1465
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 3: kind of soft light from the distance, and then the

1466
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 3: middle distance is filled with fog and through a gap

1467
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 3: in the trees and the vine. Suddenly we see the

1468
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 3: silhouette of this hairy beast sloping through the mists toward us.

1469
01:18:56,280 --> 01:19:00,600
Speaker 3: It looks great. Yeah yeah. Inside the mausoleum, Stephan is

1470
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,799
Speaker 3: already there. He's kneeling over Karen's open coffin. He's praying

1471
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 3: to God. His prayer includes the sentence protect us O

1472
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:10,759
Speaker 3: Lord from the evil of man and the malevolence of beast.

1473
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 3: So he prays to Jesus Christ that Karen's body be

1474
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 3: purified of all evil. He flicks a bit of holy

1475
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 3: water on her, and he's getting ready to drive the

1476
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 3: steak into her heart. Meanwhile, outside the mausoleum, Ben and

1477
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 3: Jenny are approaching and they get surprised by a snarling werewolf.

1478
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 3: We again do not get a good look with perspective.

1479
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 3: A lot of the early shots here are just these

1480
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 3: extreme closeups of teeth, snout, and fur. And when Ben

1481
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 3: sees the werewolf, he shoots at it, but of course

1482
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 3: he doesn't just shoot. He screams, is good, so good, pure,

1483
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 3: pure red brown. I love it. And then after he

1484
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 3: shoots at the were wolf a bunch of times, he screams.

1485
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,640
Speaker 2: Go right behind you can.

1486
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 3: So Ben and Jenny bust into the mausoleum just as

1487
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 3: Stephan is about to stake Karen's body and Ben stops him.

1488
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 3: He's threatening him. He's like, if you touch my sister,

1489
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 3: I'll blow you away. But wait, he doesn't believe in

1490
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,759
Speaker 3: were wolves still, he just shot one with silver bullets.

1491
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1492
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 3: Anyway, the situation resolves itself because Karen suddenly wakes up.

1493
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 3: She has They're all standing right there around her, but somehow,

1494
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 3: without them noticing, she has gone fully into beast mode

1495
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:27,639
Speaker 3: issues She's covered in hair. She attacks crossco Several other

1496
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 3: were wolves attack from all directions, and I guess this

1497
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 3: is finally all the convincing that Ben needs. Because our

1498
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 3: heroes work together to fight off the were wolves. Ben

1499
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 3: keeps screeching anytime he's about to blast one. There's a

1500
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 3: really funny looking, funny fight moment where they close werewolf

1501
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 3: Karen inside her coffin by forcing the lid down on her.

1502
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 3: But the lid has a glass window, so they're just

1503
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 3: putting the lid down and she's inside like all furry

1504
01:20:55,560 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 3: scratching at the window. I don't know. So they chase

1505
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,640
Speaker 3: one of the injured werewolves outside as he is transforming

1506
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 3: back into his human form, and this is the one

1507
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 3: we met earlier named Erla. Cross Co interrogates him to

1508
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 3: learn the whereabouts of Steerba, and the answer is the

1509
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 3: Dark Country, and we will later learn this means Transylvania,

1510
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 3: though actually it's shot in Czechoslovakia.

1511
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've been in Czechoslovakia for most of the

1512
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 2: scenes thus far. So yeah, it seems so we don't

1513
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 2: necessarily get that feeling of transport across the globe here.

1514
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. Erla begs to be released from his curse and

1515
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 3: cross Coo stakes him. Meanwhile, we see Marianna. She's shown

1516
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 3: watching from a distance, dragging her wolf nails over a

1517
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 3: tombstone in a sensual manner, like she just loves death.

1518
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 3: So after this, it seems Karen is finally peacefully laid

1519
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 3: to rest, and outside the cemetery gate, Crossco tells Ben

1520
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 3: and Jenny that he's got to go to Transylvania to

1521
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 3: track down Steerba because she is the source of it all.

1522
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 3: Ben says, Stephan, I'd like to go with you. It's

1523
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 3: a very hard turn into like now he's all in.

1524
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 3: He says he wants to make sure that what happened

1525
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 3: to his sister, never happens to anybody again. And then

1526
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,799
Speaker 3: he says, I'm with you right to the end. Whatever

1527
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 3: it is said. Oh, Jenny also says, so am I

1528
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 3: Ben then mocks her. He's like, oh, she just wants

1529
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 3: to write something and win the Pulitzer Prize. And she

1530
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 3: says yes, among other things.

1531
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 2: I mean, who doesn't want to win the Pulitzer Prize

1532
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 2: and werewolf journalism it's highly coveted.

1533
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 3: The way she says, among other things implies she wants

1534
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 3: to write something and win the Pulitzer Prize among other prizes.

1535
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, what is the There's got to

1536
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,760
Speaker 2: be an egot except Pultzer Prize in various other awards.

1537
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 3: So it's off to the dark country. It's time for

1538
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:51,759
Speaker 3: the Transylvania Montage. So we see morbid old churches covered

1539
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 3: in these weird skeletons and emblems of death. There's rob

1540
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 3: I think you mentioned earlier, a Prague astrological clock. Ye,

1541
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 3: like a clock tower with this face that includes these

1542
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 3: gold circles and astrological symbols. And then an old steam

1543
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 3: engine comes chugging through the forest and arrives at a

1544
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 3: small mountain village called Volcava, so I looked up Volcava.

1545
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 3: It is actually the name of a real village in

1546
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 3: the Bohemian region of the Czech Republic. So I imagine

1547
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 3: this might be actually where they shot parts of the movie.

1548
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 3: It's fairly close to Prague. This, of course, is not

1549
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 3: in Transylvania, which is a region of Romania, not the

1550
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 3: Czech Republic. When the train arrives, we see Mariana get

1551
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 3: off the train. She's wearing dark sunglasses and a black

1552
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 3: leather suit with no shirt under the blazer. She meets

1553
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 3: a guy in a pinstripe suit waiting on the train platform.

1554
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 3: They say hello by sniffing each other, and he tells

1555
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 3: her that Steerba is very anxious to meet her, so

1556
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 3: together they climb into the back of a truck with

1557
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 3: a tarp covered bed, along with a bunch of other people,

1558
01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 3: presumably all were wolves. Yeah, just the truck, And in

1559
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 3: a few minutes we see this truck. They say like, ooh,

1560
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 3: we didn't arrange any lunch. But then we see them

1561
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 3: drive by a couple of German hitch hikers who are

1562
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 3: they're like hiking in these tight shorts and singing a

1563
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 3: German song and they they're like, oh, yeah, I get

1564
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:15,440
Speaker 3: in the back of the truck and then they immediately

1565
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 3: start eating them and the driver declares schnitzel ah oh

1566
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 3: the Broughton so Ben and Jenny are also in town.

1567
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 3: They're driving around a mountain road with Christopher Lee. Christopher

1568
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 3: Lee is sitting awkwardly in the back of this tiny car,

1569
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:32,600
Speaker 3: looking kind of pained and with his eyes closed, like

1570
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 3: he's carsick or something. Then we finally get to the

1571
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 3: first steer by scene. This is really what everything's been

1572
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 3: working up to. So we cut to this ancient stone

1573
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:46,839
Speaker 3: castle in the forest where in one of the great halls,

1574
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 3: the Wolf Coven is holding a festival of sadism and decadence,

1575
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 3: complete with these creepy metal helmed guards holding crossbows. They're

1576
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:00,719
Speaker 3: shirtless with black pants and the helmets on. They're standing

1577
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 3: in the dark outside. Inside you got huge roaring fires everywhere.

1578
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 3: This music, which is I think finally here it is

1579
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 3: not the Babbel song. Instead, it is a guy in

1580
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:14,759
Speaker 3: a fur hat pounding on a big drum with a mallet,

1581
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 3: and then there's this a tonal chanting. You've got a

1582
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 3: stone altar in the middle of the room. You gotta

1583
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,799
Speaker 3: have that, A bunch of half naked wolf people wearing

1584
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 3: random patchworks of metal armor and black leather straps. You've

1585
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 3: got some chained up human prisoners.

1586
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 2: All gingers, I think, all wearing panties of some sort

1587
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:33,759
Speaker 2: or another.

1588
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:37,799
Speaker 3: I think so. And then infernal paintings in the Bosh

1589
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 3: and Goya style all over the walls. So Marianna is

1590
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 3: there at the ceremony, and it is being presided over

1591
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 3: by a crone dressed in furs and a long, dark

1592
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 3: cloak cloak. She's like an ancient witch. Eventually, a man

1593
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:56,679
Speaker 3: named Vlad brings an unconscious woman dressed in a white

1594
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 3: gown into the room. Laser down on the stone altar,

1595
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 3: the Vlad pours a big bowl of blood out over

1596
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 3: the unconscious woman. Then the crone leans over her face

1597
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:10,680
Speaker 3: and sucks some green animation out of her mouth. Then

1598
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 3: everybody starts howling and chanting steer Ba, steer Ba. And

1599
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 3: there's a kind of cool cutaway here to some imagery

1600
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 3: of a wax face melting in a fire. And then

1601
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 3: when Steerba finally stands up once again from leaning over

1602
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 3: the woman, she is no longer a crone. She is

1603
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 3: Sybil Danning, and she not only has transformed in body

1604
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 3: into Sybil Danning, she has transformed in accent, so now

1605
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 3: she no longer has the same accents. She talks like

1606
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:40,719
Speaker 3: Sybil dan She's now got the sharp cheekbones, big hair.

1607
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 3: She rips her cloak off and shows everyone her magically

1608
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 3: rejuvenated body and they all keep howling, and then we

1609
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 3: see the woman she sucked the life out of now

1610
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 3: reduced to a withered, decomposed corpse. So after this ritual scene,

1611
01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 3: it transitions via a double peel away wipe. There's some

1612
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 3: great whites in this movie, by the way, and they

1613
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 3: keep changing it up. It's always a different wipe. It

1614
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 3: transitions into the much commented upon Werewolf three way sex

1615
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 3: scene where Steerba, Marianna, and Vlad all take turns kissing

1616
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 3: and grabbing on each other while becoming increasingly hairy and

1617
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 3: occasionally snarling and a wooing. And my memory is that

1618
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 3: this goes on for like the entire middle third of

1619
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 3: the movie, so you'll have other action happening and then

1620
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 3: it just cuts back to the were wolf sex.

1621
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 2: It's pretty great. I love this scene and some of

1622
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 2: the behind the scenes details about it. They're pretty interesting.

1623
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 2: Johnson gets into some of these on the on the

1624
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 2: Blu Ray. I think for starters, there would have been

1625
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 2: a better way to get these three actors in their

1626
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 2: kind of werewolf mode, like some sort of spandex covered

1627
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:54,719
Speaker 2: with hair or you know, some other sort of approach.

1628
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 2: But no, they had to manually glue all of the

1629
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 2: hair onto their bodies, which apparently took forever and was

1630
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 2: just like the effects. Guys were like, this is not

1631
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 2: a good use of time. It's gonna take forever to

1632
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 2: do this. And then once this is all applied, when

1633
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 2: these werewolves are rolling around with each other and I

1634
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 2: guess should be like caressing each other, they can't actually

1635
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 2: touch each other because they peel the hair off. So

1636
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 2: the the werewolf threesome scene has this strange vibe to

1637
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:27,639
Speaker 2: it where they're they're like, I'm almost touching You're almost

1638
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 2: touching me. It's it's weird, but it but then the

1639
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 2: lighting is great. It's it's got its own super weird energy.

1640
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 2: So I love it.

1641
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is exactly what It's like a lot of almost. Yeah.

1642
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 3: So after this there is the scene of the road ambush,

1643
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 3: which was funny in a couple of ways. So Ben,

1644
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 3: Jinny and Stefan are driving along the mountain roads until

1645
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 3: they roll up on a big crowd standing in the

1646
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 3: middle of the road. There's a lady lying down in

1647
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 3: the street, and then a priest in the crowd says

1648
01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:59,600
Speaker 3: that she was hit by a car, and then the

1649
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 3: all the just walk away. But it's a trap. The

1650
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 3: lady is a werewolf, and just as she starts to

1651
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 3: wolf power up, Crossco sees what's happening and stakes her

1652
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 3: with a silver dagger, and then Crossco leaves and tells

1653
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:13,640
Speaker 3: Ben and Jenny that he's going to meet them in

1654
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 3: the village. Ben and Jenny get back in the car

1655
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 3: and start to drive away when Jenny, from out of nowhere,

1656
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 3: whips out this big flask and starts having a glug

1657
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 3: of whatever's in there. And then there's a werewolf in

1658
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:25,759
Speaker 3: the backseat.

1659
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 2: Oh no, oh my god.

1660
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 3: Yes, so Ben shoots it, and then they almost drive

1661
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 3: their car off the road into a ravine, but they

1662
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:35,719
Speaker 3: stop at the last second, and then there's a spiral

1663
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 3: wipe and yeah. Then there's of course more of what

1664
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 3: the were wolves are getting up to, trying not to

1665
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:46,600
Speaker 3: mess up each other's body. Hair prosthetics, and after this

1666
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 3: a diamond wipe. And then finally Ben and Jenny arrive

1667
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 3: in town, in the village of Volcava, and it really

1668
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:56,640
Speaker 3: lays out the scene. So there's this cobbled street in

1669
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 3: the middle of town. The locals are decorating for the

1670
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:02,759
Speaker 3: festival of the with garlands strung up between the buildings

1671
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 3: over the road, and you've got vendors setting up stalls

1672
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 3: with flowers and animal pelts and food. There are people

1673
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 3: dancing in brightly colored costumes. When we zoom in on them,

1674
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:14,640
Speaker 3: we realize some of these dancers are were wolves in

1675
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 3: human form. There are goats roaming about, old men smoking cigarettes,

1676
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 3: and then this kind of shady looking guy hunched in

1677
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 3: a doorway in sunglasses with an owl. He's just got

1678
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 3: an owl perched on his wrist. So Ben and Jenny

1679
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 3: get checked into the hotel. The hotel is obviously run

1680
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 3: by were wolves. All the dudes in the lobby start

1681
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:38,759
Speaker 3: licking their lips when they walk in, and Ben tries

1682
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 3: to first get them separate rooms, but Jenny is like, no,

1683
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 3: we want one room. This comes out of nowhere. I

1684
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 3: don't recall any scene in the first act with any

1685
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 3: indication that she likes him, or that they're you know,

1686
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 3: even really becoming friendly, much less falling in love. But

1687
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 3: I guess now that they're in Transylvania, Jenny's heart beats

1688
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 3: only for Red Brown. So the hotel manager gives them

1689
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 3: a room and says that his nephew, Tondo, will take

1690
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 3: them up there. It's a room number six six six,

1691
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 3: of course it is, yeah, and he gives a very

1692
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:15,679
Speaker 3: toothy grin, and after they go up to their room,

1693
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 3: Tondo tells Ben that he's an excellent local guide. I

1694
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 3: do like this weird hotel. The interiors are pretty nice.

1695
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 3: I wonder where this was filmed. I didn't look that

1696
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 3: one up.

1697
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have been the hotel that they were

1698
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 2: staying in, the one where where Sybil, Danny and Christopher

1699
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 2: Lee have dinner every night, and apparently Christopher Lee one

1700
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:36,719
Speaker 2: of them. Is something Steve Johnson shared and his extras

1701
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 2: is that Christopher Lee really liked to talk and would

1702
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 2: talk to anybody and share all these stories about the

1703
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 2: old days, which is great. And you know that people

1704
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:47,120
Speaker 2: love Christopher Lee and he's a wealth of knowledge. But

1705
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:50,120
Speaker 2: you had these guys working on the film, like the

1706
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 2: effects guys especially, and they had so much to do.

1707
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 2: They were like having to dodge Christopher Lee because they

1708
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 2: were like, you can get into a conversation with him,

1709
01:31:57,920 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 2: you're not going to get out of it. We've got

1710
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 2: We're just so overclocked here.

1711
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,120
Speaker 3: That's funny. Christopher Lee won't stop talking to me. It's

1712
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 3: a great problem to have.

1713
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Like Johnson was like, you know, looking back

1714
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 2: on it, it's like so weird because you know, it's

1715
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 2: Christopher Lee. He's a legend. It's like you in retrospect,

1716
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 2: you would want to listen to all of that stuff,

1717
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:16,559
Speaker 2: but in the moment, there was just so much to

1718
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 2: do you just didn't have time for it.

1719
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 3: So anyway, once Ben and Jenny get to their room,

1720
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 3: Jenny whips out this big wreath of garlic bulbs that

1721
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:33,800
Speaker 3: she had in her suitcase, and then she just starts

1722
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 3: kissing on Ben. I guess they're in love. Now.

1723
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 2: Can you bring that much garlic on an international flight?

1724
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.

1725
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 3: Maybe they went by boat. So while they're going at it,

1726
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:47,639
Speaker 3: we see the werewolf dancers down in the street below,

1727
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:50,719
Speaker 3: and one of them starts sniffing the air and giving

1728
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 3: these cute little mini howls in the direction of the hotel,

1729
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 3: almost like he's really happy for them. He's like, oh,

1730
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 3: great for them. They found love.

1731
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 2: So the next.

1732
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 3: Scene, Ginny and Ben meet back up with Stephan at

1733
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 3: a church. Stephan explains that many people in the village

1734
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 3: are in league with evil and they're being watched wherever

1735
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 3: they go. He introduces them to his local allies, which

1736
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 3: include the priest father florin Vasila, who's a person of

1737
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 3: short stature who lost his elder brother to the wolf coven.

1738
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 3: There is Constantine, a local man who lost his daughter,

1739
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:28,679
Speaker 3: and Luca, who lost his wife. And then for some reason,

1740
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 3: right after this, they zoom on a statue of Jesus. Well,

1741
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 3: maybe it's implying he's their other.

1742
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,439
Speaker 2: Ally, Yeah, well they have all gathered together, and so

1743
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:41,599
Speaker 2: he's there, right, And I guess wherever wherever, wherever three

1744
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 2: or more of you gather together in order to slay

1745
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 2: where wolves, I am there with you.

1746
01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 3: I think, referring to in the original context to church

1747
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 3: gatherings or prayer or something, but it could refer to

1748
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:53,760
Speaker 3: where wolf hunting parties as well.

1749
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:55,600
Speaker 2: I think I think that is alluded to elsewhere in

1750
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 2: the Bible.

1751
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:59,599
Speaker 3: Yes, So they come up with a plan. These guys

1752
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:02,639
Speaker 3: are going to go look for Marianna at the village

1753
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 3: festival and when they find her, they're going to follow

1754
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 3: her to find Steerba and then when they find Steerba,

1755
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:10,640
Speaker 3: Crossco is gonna take care of her. So in this

1756
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:14,599
Speaker 3: scene they also describe their secret back channel communication method,

1757
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 3: which involves a puppet booth. Yeah, I never figured that out.

1758
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know, but I like the puppets.

1759
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 2: The puppets, the puppet play they're putting on. It seems

1760
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 2: to be where wolf related was pretty good.

1761
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:27,800
Speaker 3: It's pretty good. Also, Chrispherley gives the gives Ben and

1762
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 3: Jenny each holy medals to where as protection and then

1763
01:34:30,840 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 3: we get a clock face wipe. So Ben and Jenny

1764
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 3: go to the festival and everybody's out dancing and watching

1765
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 3: the puppet shokea and it's about where wolves attacking people.

1766
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 3: Somewhere in here, there's a scene where Ben and Jenny

1767
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 3: are in bed talking about how the name of the

1768
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 3: village Volcava means the place where wolves live, and so

1769
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:52,240
Speaker 3: they're just lying in bed and then suddenly there is

1770
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 3: a sawtooth wipe and some text on the screen says

1771
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 3: the following afternoon.

1772
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 2: All the wipes like, did you buy a could you

1773
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 2: buy a collection of package? Yeah?

1774
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 3: Why did it need to say the following afternoon? Cutting

1775
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 3: to the next day is a normal type of cut,

1776
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:12,639
Speaker 3: and people understand it's not like cutting to three years later.

1777
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:14,599
Speaker 2: Oh man.

1778
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 3: Uh So, Ben and Jenny there the next the following afternoon,

1779
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 3: they are dancing at a festival when uh, let's see Ben.

1780
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 3: Let's see first. Ben sees Marianna walking around with her

1781
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 3: wolf powls, and Ben tells Tondo to keep an eye

1782
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 3: on Jenny and he walks away, following the werewolves. Ben

1783
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 3: here is going to end up joining forces with Vacila

1784
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 3: and tracking down the were wolves to Stierba's castle, so

1785
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 3: they do a whole recon mission. I'm not going to

1786
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:46,479
Speaker 3: recount everything that happens here, but basically Steerba is inside

1787
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 3: doing some crazy satanic magic where she's just saying a

1788
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 3: lot of Latin and you know, names of demons and stuff.

1789
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 3: She's reciting spells. This is where we first, I think,

1790
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 3: see her wearing the fem Darth Vader outfit, very robot

1791
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:03,040
Speaker 3: like appear end and Ben and Vacilla's mission is going great.

1792
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 3: At first, Vacilla gives Ben a pair of ear plugs

1793
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 3: that look like teeth, but we will later learn that

1794
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 3: these are wax from the sacred candles. Yeah, they use

1795
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:17,160
Speaker 3: them to plug their ears because this has never explained,

1796
01:36:17,200 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 3: but we learn that Seerbu can kind of use the

1797
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 3: voice to tie things into Sarumon again, so if you

1798
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:25,559
Speaker 3: hear her voice, she can destroy you. So they plug

1799
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 3: their ears and approach the gate. Vacilla hurls a throwing

1800
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 3: knife to take out the werewolf guard and then he

1801
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 3: whacks him in the head with the morning Star, and

1802
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:39,320
Speaker 3: Ben says, that's a definite new kill technique.

1803
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 2: It is Hey quality, definite new kill technique.

1804
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:46,559
Speaker 3: So inside the castle Steerba. This is also the first

1805
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 3: scene where we see her wearing her Terminator sunglasses, so

1806
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 3: I guess this must be where she had a swollen eye.

1807
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 3: She reveals that Stefan Crossco is her brother, and though

1808
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 3: he plans to destroy her, in fact, she will destroy him.

1809
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 2: So many questions already at this point, because we have

1810
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:04,639
Speaker 2: already established that she is like ten thousand years old.

1811
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:08,599
Speaker 2: Does that mean Stephan is ten thousand years old? An

1812
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 2: Immortal Warrior or what.

1813
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 3: Quite confusing. Yeah, Marianna, I think she's eager to please

1814
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 3: her new werewolf friends, so she's like, let me kill him,

1815
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:28,599
Speaker 3: and steer Ba says no, but you're sweet. Then Ben

1816
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 3: and Vacilla get spotted and they bolt as the were

1817
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:34,400
Speaker 3: wolves give chase, and this is the scene where Steerbus

1818
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 3: starts using the voice like she's muttering these Latin phrases

1819
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:41,760
Speaker 3: as they echo through the air all around. And unfortunately,

1820
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:45,280
Speaker 3: while they are running away, Vascilla loses his ear plugs.

1821
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:47,519
Speaker 3: They fall out of his ears into the dirt, and

1822
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 3: the voice gets into his ears and he starts screaming

1823
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:54,360
Speaker 3: in pain, and then his eyeballs explode and shoot jets

1824
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:57,759
Speaker 3: of blood, which is a horrifying and disgusting effect.

1825
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well done here. It looks looks grow nice exploding head.

1826
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 2: And then also Steve, but we get to see some

1827
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 2: like lightning red light horse lightning yeah, from her fingertips,

1828
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:10,919
Speaker 2: which which looks pretty good. I think all the magical

1829
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 2: lighting effects in this picture look pretty good.

1830
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:18,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't complain. Meanwhile, Tondo lies to Jenny and

1831
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:21,519
Speaker 3: tells her that Ben wants her to meet him somewhere else.

1832
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 3: And he's going to show her the way there, so

1833
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 3: he leads her off into the woods. He starts becoming

1834
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 3: very creepy and starts making unwonted moves on her, and

1835
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:35,719
Speaker 3: then she like faints. But then before he can do anything,

1836
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:40,320
Speaker 3: the other werewolves come and reprimand him. They're like, you know, Tondo,

1837
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 3: you're out of line. You will be disciplined. But Jenny

1838
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:45,800
Speaker 3: is captured by the werewolves, so Steer but takes her

1839
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 3: back to the castle with plans to use her as

1840
01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:51,720
Speaker 3: bait for their real prey, which is chrispher Lee, who

1841
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:53,800
Speaker 3: is down in the village watching the puppet show. Okay,

1842
01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 3: so while yeah, I thought he was the real were

1843
01:38:57,960 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 3: wolf hunter, but he's watching the puppet show while the

1844
01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:04,200
Speaker 3: two or having wear wolf encounters. And then there's a

1845
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 3: scene where Stefan gets lured into a church after he

1846
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 3: sees a child in a mask wearing the holy metal

1847
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:14,479
Speaker 3: that he gave to Jenny, and he follows the child

1848
01:39:14,479 --> 01:39:16,920
Speaker 3: to the church asks where the child got the medal,

1849
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 3: but it's a trap. The child is actually a magically

1850
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:26,160
Speaker 3: possessed demonic Eyelis of Acila in service of the witchcraft

1851
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 3: of Stirba, and he swipes it Crossco with a knife,

1852
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 3: but Ben arrives just in time to throw him out

1853
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:35,000
Speaker 3: the window, where he is impaled on spikes below. I

1854
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:36,640
Speaker 3: don't know if you noticed this, Rob, but in the

1855
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 3: shot where Ben throws him out the window, it is

1856
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 3: not Reb Brown at all. Like whoever this stunt double

1857
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 3: is does not look the slightest bit like Reb Brown

1858
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:49,320
Speaker 3: even from behind. You can only see from behind, but

1859
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 3: it's a guy with curly hair who is bald on top.

1860
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 2: I mean, imagine rolling your production into some sort of

1861
01:39:56,840 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 2: like small town European setting and you have Red Brown here,

1862
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 2: enormous dude, you know, former high school and college football

1863
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:08,160
Speaker 2: player turned actor, and you're going to just find him

1864
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:10,920
Speaker 2: a body double. You know, good luck, good luck finding

1865
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:14,639
Speaker 2: him a body double like anywhere kind of a singular

1866
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 2: looking dude.

1867
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:18,280
Speaker 3: So we've kind of got the setup for the final

1868
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:20,840
Speaker 3: act here. Jenny has been captured by Steerba and the

1869
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:23,960
Speaker 3: werewolf coven. They're keeping her tied up in this dungeon

1870
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:27,040
Speaker 3: where the walls are made out of skulls, and then

1871
01:40:27,120 --> 01:40:29,840
Speaker 3: Ben and Crossco, along with the rest of their allies

1872
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:31,880
Speaker 3: from the village, You're gonna have to go rescue Jenny

1873
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:34,960
Speaker 3: and destroy Steerbu's power. So there's a scene where they

1874
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:37,800
Speaker 3: get all their weapons. They're going to use some consecrated oil,

1875
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:40,720
Speaker 3: some wax from sacred candles to plug their ears. I

1876
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:44,200
Speaker 3: guess so their eyes don't explode. Yeah, titanium daggers, of

1877
01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:48,200
Speaker 3: course they've got those around. And then this. They skip

1878
01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:53,040
Speaker 3: over this really quick, but Stefan says the chalice that

1879
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:55,960
Speaker 3: held the sacred Blood of Christ.

1880
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 2: Like, is this on loan from the Vatican secret vault? Like?

1881
01:40:59,160 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 2: Does that just work?

1882
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 3: Got the Holy Grail there with them, holy water, and

1883
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:07,479
Speaker 3: then a gun that belonged to Vacilla. Ben is going

1884
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:09,160
Speaker 3: to get to use this. I guess it goes without

1885
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 3: saying that it's got silver bullets at Yeah.

1886
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, give me the gun. I know how

1887
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:14,080
Speaker 2: to use that. Yeah, holy Grail.

1888
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:17,080
Speaker 3: No, No, not interested in the Holy Grail. But I

1889
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:18,800
Speaker 3: would have to think the Holy Grail would be even

1890
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:20,439
Speaker 3: more effective than the gun. I don't know.

1891
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's more of a Stephan weapon. Yeah, red

1892
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:26,679
Speaker 2: brown with the Holy Grail, it's just too laughter inducing.

1893
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:29,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we get to see Stefan is also doing

1894
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:31,960
Speaker 3: werewolf gun play. In the next scene, he starts shooting

1895
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:35,280
Speaker 3: like something that looks like a luger or something. Meanwhile,

1896
01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:37,880
Speaker 3: at Steerba's castle, everybody's meeting up for some kind of

1897
01:41:37,960 --> 01:41:42,320
Speaker 3: ritual werewolf orgy. If you look at the werewolf orgy crowd,

1898
01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:45,000
Speaker 3: there's one guy in the middle of it doing a handstand. Yeah,

1899
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:47,280
Speaker 3: just so like some people are there for the orgy,

1900
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:49,320
Speaker 3: some just want to do gymnastics practice.

1901
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:51,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a free for all. It's like, this

1902
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:54,000
Speaker 2: is the this is what you kind of get from

1903
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 2: the werewolf coven here. It's like, yes, there are plans

1904
01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:59,559
Speaker 2: to reverse evolution and take over the world. Yes, they

1905
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:03,080
Speaker 2: want to eat random dirt bags and you know innocence

1906
01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:06,000
Speaker 2: as well. But also they're just stuft for a good time.

1907
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:10,920
Speaker 2: They're just heatonists. They're in touch with their their biological origins.

1908
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:13,719
Speaker 2: They're in touch with the beast in all its forms.

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Speaker 3: So well, I think this ties into the tagline about

1910
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 3: like the rock and roll lifestyle of the yeah too. Yeah,

1911
01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:24,320
Speaker 3: they're trying to sell that. Yeah. And speaking of rock

1912
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Speaker 3: and roll lifestyle, here is where it's implied that the

1913
01:42:27,640 --> 01:42:30,479
Speaker 3: band from the club in la is playing at the castle.

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01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:33,920
Speaker 3: We hear the song and it's showing them playing it,

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Speaker 3: trying to create the impression that they're in the room

1916
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Speaker 3: with the orgy, but the footage is obviously the same

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Speaker 3: footage from the club earlier.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. In the interview with Danning, she's like, oh, yes,

1919
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:48,280
Speaker 2: Stir was so cool. She has her own band, so

1920
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:50,960
Speaker 2: even even she thought was like, I thought this must

1921
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:52,760
Speaker 2: be the werewolf Queen's band.

1922
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:56,479
Speaker 3: So Steerbu gets worried that the enemies are approaching the

1923
01:42:56,520 --> 01:42:59,160
Speaker 3: castle through the woods, so she interrupts the party and

1924
01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:02,160
Speaker 3: sends the werewolf out to get them. Our heroes get

1925
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:04,400
Speaker 3: ambushed by were wolves in the forest and they put

1926
01:43:04,479 --> 01:43:07,280
Speaker 3: up a fight. Ben of course, lets out some wonderful

1927
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:10,679
Speaker 3: screeches when he starts blasting. The humans win the fight,

1928
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:14,320
Speaker 3: though their ally Constantine, is killed, and then another one

1929
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:18,040
Speaker 3: of the villagers, Luca, gets nabbed by a werewolf from

1930
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:21,080
Speaker 3: a pit trap beneath the path, and Christopher Lee then

1931
01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:24,920
Speaker 3: hits the trap with a holy hand grenade. Final action.

1932
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:27,519
Speaker 3: So this builds up to the final action once they

1933
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:29,920
Speaker 3: reach the castle. I'll break it down into a few

1934
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:34,799
Speaker 3: different threads here. One is their remaining ally, the priest

1935
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:37,719
Speaker 3: who's been along for the mission. Father Florin. He tries

1936
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:40,679
Speaker 3: to sneak up on Steerba with a battle axe while

1937
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:44,000
Speaker 3: she's doing some magic spells, but she wheels about on

1938
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:46,479
Speaker 3: him and then she gets him with We should have

1939
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:49,760
Speaker 3: mentioned this earlier. She's got a staff on top of

1940
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 3: which is a beef jerky gargoyle, And the beef jerky

1941
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 3: gargoyle comes alive and it does xenomore face hugger stuff

1942
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 3: to the pre Like, it attacks his face and then

1943
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:07,040
Speaker 3: revoltingly sticks some kind of tail or tube down his

1944
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:10,799
Speaker 3: throat and then blood comes out of all his face holes.

1945
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 3: It is gross and genuinely disturbing. The effects here looked,

1946
01:44:15,120 --> 01:44:17,719
Speaker 3: I don't know, like it literally made me feel bad.

1947
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:22,920
Speaker 2: I agree with that. I loved it, But mostly I

1948
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:27,240
Speaker 2: just love the way Sybil Danning like considers the staff

1949
01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:29,720
Speaker 2: the gargole of staff before using it. It's like she's

1950
01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:32,920
Speaker 2: clearly having a great time here, and then yeah, what

1951
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:37,639
Speaker 2: uses this horrific magical weapon against the priest? And yeah,

1952
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:38,919
Speaker 2: body heart ensues.

1953
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:42,639
Speaker 3: Steer Bud then sends Vlad and Marianna to go get

1954
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:46,519
Speaker 3: Jinny from the skull room. They're having some trouble because

1955
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:49,679
Speaker 3: I think Vlad is feeling the urge to warp into

1956
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:52,400
Speaker 3: wolf mode, but Marianna is yelling at him to get

1957
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:55,800
Speaker 3: control of himself. I didn't understand this part, like, can

1958
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:58,559
Speaker 3: they not carry out their orders when in wolf mode,

1959
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:01,479
Speaker 3: because it seems like throughout the movie we see wolves

1960
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:04,640
Speaker 3: in wolf mode doing Steerba's commands.

1961
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, this feels like it's an either underdeveloped idea or

1962
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 2: maybe a remnant of one of the previous scripts because

1963
01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:15,559
Speaker 2: it really doesn't seem to matter for most of the picture.

1964
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:18,679
Speaker 3: But anyway, once they get down to the dungeon, Ben

1965
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:23,080
Speaker 3: is there. Ben shoots Vlad with silver and then stabs

1966
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:27,040
Speaker 3: Marianna with the titanium dagger. Feels like a very sudden

1967
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:31,040
Speaker 3: and unceremonious end to these major villains. I thought there'd

1968
01:45:31,080 --> 01:45:33,240
Speaker 3: be more of a I don't know, more of a confrontation,

1969
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:35,400
Speaker 3: there'd be more to the end of them than this. Yeah,

1970
01:45:35,439 --> 01:45:38,799
Speaker 3: I agree, but he just unties Jenny and they escape

1971
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 3: the castle. Meanwhile, we get the final show down between

1972
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:45,320
Speaker 3: Stephan and Steerba. He has to go confront Steerba by himself.

1973
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:50,120
Speaker 3: Some weird you know, lanister incest vibes pop up from

1974
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:54,120
Speaker 3: out of nowhere. She's suddenly trying to seduce him. Don't

1975
01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:58,240
Speaker 3: know where that comes from. She's saying a bunch of

1976
01:45:58,479 --> 01:46:01,439
Speaker 3: they're like. It actually becomes quite funny because they are

1977
01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:06,040
Speaker 3: both mumbling these magic spells at each other back and forth.

1978
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 3: He's doing, I guess, a more Christian flavored invocation of magic,

1979
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:12,160
Speaker 3: and she's over there like you know by Asta Roth

1980
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:15,639
Speaker 3: and but you knew, and just saying all these names

1981
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:19,639
Speaker 3: and stuff, trying to do magic against him. But finally

1982
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 3: they're sort of embracing and he stabs her with the

1983
01:46:22,479 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 3: titanium blade and then they are consumed by magic fire.

1984
01:46:26,439 --> 01:46:28,880
Speaker 2: I mean, if she is indeed a ten thousand year

1985
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:32,439
Speaker 2: old werewolf queen almost some sort of a demi god,

1986
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 2: and he too is some sort of an immortal adversary

1987
01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:39,840
Speaker 2: of her, then I don't know. You're getting into that

1988
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:42,240
Speaker 2: weird area. And the gods are always incestuous with each

1989
01:46:42,280 --> 01:46:46,559
Speaker 2: other our various mythologies, so I guess it makes sense.

1990
01:46:46,720 --> 01:46:52,120
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense. It really feels like different versions

1991
01:46:52,120 --> 01:46:55,320
Speaker 2: of the script are colliding here, But I don't know.

1992
01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:58,479
Speaker 2: If I do enough mental gymnastics, I can get there.

1993
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 3: There is nothing about Stephan other than other than what

1994
01:47:03,479 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 3: we've been talking about that would imply he is an

1995
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:08,040
Speaker 3: ancient being. He really reads as a character written as

1996
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:09,840
Speaker 3: a regular human monster hunter.

1997
01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:13,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then how come if his sister is a werewolf,

1998
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:15,439
Speaker 2: then why is she ten thousand years old?

1999
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:19,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't make sense, but she I like how

2000
01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:23,120
Speaker 3: it's implied that she sort of invented being a were wolf. Yeah,

2001
01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:28,479
Speaker 3: she invented were wolves. So anyway, Ben and Jenny escape.

2002
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:30,799
Speaker 3: There's a scene that I think he's played for comedy,

2003
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:33,599
Speaker 3: but does not. It's not funny in the way it's

2004
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:36,160
Speaker 3: supposed to be, where Ben and Jenny go back to

2005
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:38,400
Speaker 3: the village and Ben like points a gun at the

2006
01:47:38,479 --> 01:47:40,640
Speaker 3: villagers and tells them how to get to the airport

2007
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:45,280
Speaker 3: and like it seems it's a little much Ben, and

2008
01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:48,160
Speaker 3: then it cuts to one year later. The next year,

2009
01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:52,040
Speaker 3: Ben and Jenny are living happily together. I guess it's

2010
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:55,519
Speaker 3: Halloween and they somebody knocks on their door. They open

2011
01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:57,800
Speaker 3: the door and it is a child in a very

2012
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:01,719
Speaker 3: convincing looking werewolf mask. So they give the child a treat,

2013
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:03,960
Speaker 3: and the child leaves and seems to have come from

2014
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:07,439
Speaker 3: the apartment across the hall. So they go to invite

2015
01:48:07,479 --> 01:48:10,240
Speaker 3: their new neighbor over for wine. But the man who

2016
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:12,720
Speaker 3: comes to the door is this odd European gentleman and

2017
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:15,040
Speaker 3: a priest's caller who says, Oh, I don't have a child,

2018
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:18,600
Speaker 3: I live alone, I guess, implying that I don't know

2019
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:21,439
Speaker 3: people from Volcavo are coming to get them.

2020
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 2: They were wolves are at large in the world. Still

2021
01:48:24,479 --> 01:48:25,200
Speaker 2: the threat.

2022
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:30,000
Speaker 3: Remains, and then during the credits, it's a whole music video.

2023
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:33,599
Speaker 3: It's just a clip show of the movie you just watched,

2024
01:48:34,120 --> 01:48:36,439
Speaker 3: and it shows the scene where Sybil Danning rips her

2025
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:39,680
Speaker 3: clothes off about forty times. It uses it in a

2026
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:43,080
Speaker 3: percussive manner. She has a at the beginning.

2027
01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:45,559
Speaker 2: Rip away top. And they use this scene over and

2028
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:49,519
Speaker 2: over again like it's like it's a hec static video

2029
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:50,120
Speaker 2: or something.

2030
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:53,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is a bit nice. It's the beginning of

2031
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:56,960
Speaker 3: every bar on the song by Babel. Of course you

2032
01:48:57,000 --> 01:48:59,599
Speaker 3: hear Babel once again since the world begins.

2033
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:06,000
Speaker 2: But it does drive home that Howling two was a party,

2034
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:09,559
Speaker 2: that was the prime that was the prime reasoning here.

2035
01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:11,320
Speaker 2: They don't leave it on. They don't even really want

2036
01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:14,439
Speaker 2: to land on that humorous node or that ominous note.

2037
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:17,000
Speaker 2: They just want to remind you, hey, you just had

2038
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 2: a good time, right, it was fun. Right, you do

2039
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:19,559
Speaker 2: this again?

2040
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:22,559
Speaker 3: Right? Once we get to the ending of the movie,

2041
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:26,160
Speaker 3: do we know anything more about what would have happened

2042
01:49:26,200 --> 01:49:30,000
Speaker 3: if Steerbaugh was not staked? Was the process of evolution

2043
01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:31,760
Speaker 3: going to be reversed worldwide?

2044
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:36,559
Speaker 2: I think everyone would have been turned into horny wolf people. Yes,

2045
01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:38,040
Speaker 2: I think that's what would have happened.

2046
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:40,439
Speaker 3: But eventually, bacteria, I guess.

2047
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, does it stop? Because if you know, yeah, maybe

2048
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:46,120
Speaker 2: the world's a better place either way. I don't know.

2049
01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:53,360
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what we needed a species, But they prevented it,

2050
01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:55,479
Speaker 2: and hopefully they had our best interest at heart.

2051
01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:57,000
Speaker 3: Hats off to Sybil Danning.

2052
01:49:57,080 --> 01:50:02,160
Speaker 2: She rules this movie absolutely. I mean I thinking again that, like,

2053
01:50:02,200 --> 01:50:05,080
Speaker 2: you have such an amazing trio of actors here, Christopher Lee,

2054
01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:09,240
Speaker 2: Reb Brown and Sibil Danning, all three of them outrageous

2055
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:12,120
Speaker 2: and amazing in their own way, and all three kind

2056
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:14,280
Speaker 2: of like carrying their own weight. Like you could leave

2057
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:16,360
Speaker 2: this thinking of it as a Red Brown picture. You

2058
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:19,200
Speaker 2: could leave it thinking of it as a Christopher Leef picture.

2059
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:21,720
Speaker 2: But I have to agree with you. I think this

2060
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:22,719
Speaker 2: is Sybil's picture.

2061
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:25,599
Speaker 3: I think most people are gonna leave it, thinking of

2062
01:50:25,640 --> 01:50:29,000
Speaker 3: it as a sibil danding picture. She is. Yeah, once

2063
01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:31,800
Speaker 3: she first appears, you can almost feel it in the

2064
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:35,360
Speaker 3: editing that there is a constant anxiety, like a pressure,

2065
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:39,440
Speaker 3: driving us to cut back to Steerba as frequently as possible.

2066
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:42,679
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, characters should be standing around asking

2067
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:45,759
Speaker 3: what's Pooci doing? Why isn't Pouocy on screen right now?

2068
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:47,759
Speaker 3: It's like that with Stierba.

2069
01:50:47,880 --> 01:50:50,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is Steerba doing? What is Steerba wearing? We've

2070
01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:53,400
Speaker 2: got to know she's doing some sort of weird arcane

2071
01:50:53,479 --> 01:50:57,439
Speaker 2: ritual or lounging on a throne somewhere, and we want

2072
01:50:57,439 --> 01:50:58,160
Speaker 2: all the details.

2073
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:00,960
Speaker 3: Folks, If you're watching on VID and you just saw

2074
01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:04,560
Speaker 3: Rob's feed go dark, we've just had a technical difficulty

2075
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:06,080
Speaker 3: and lost his camera.

2076
01:51:06,040 --> 01:51:08,400
Speaker 2: You might be wondering, did I start changing into a

2077
01:51:08,439 --> 01:51:11,720
Speaker 2: werewolf and did JJ have to shoot me? No, that

2078
01:51:11,880 --> 01:51:13,960
Speaker 2: is not true, just something went weird with the camera.

2079
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:17,720
Speaker 2: We'll work on that for the next episode.

2080
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:20,719
Speaker 3: Unless we detect the process of evolution that's being reversed,

2081
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:22,639
Speaker 3: in which case all bets are off.

2082
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:25,240
Speaker 2: All right, Well, keep the camera on Joe here, Joe,

2083
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:27,559
Speaker 2: I'm just going to say real quick as I always do.

2084
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:29,360
Speaker 2: Stuff to Blow Your Mind is primarily a science and

2085
01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:31,640
Speaker 2: culture podcast with core episodes and two seas and Thursdays,

2086
01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:33,800
Speaker 2: but on Fridays we set aside most serious concerns, So

2087
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:36,400
Speaker 2: just talk about a weird film here on Weird House Cinema.

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01:51:36,439 --> 01:51:39,280
Speaker 2: Follow us on Letterbox we were Weird House. There nice

2089
01:51:39,320 --> 01:51:41,400
Speaker 2: list of all the movies we've ever covered, and sometimes

2090
01:51:41,400 --> 01:51:42,639
Speaker 2: a peek ahead at what comes next.

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01:51:43,479 --> 01:51:47,000
Speaker 3: Huge thanks as always to our excellent audio producer JJ Posway.

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01:51:47,080 --> 01:51:48,640
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