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Speaker 2: the Beat. It's me Brian Baumgartner today. Well, my guest

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Speaker 2: Creed has lived many, many, many lives, almost nine, but

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Speaker 2: here he is Creed Breton, Bubble and Squeak.

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Speaker 2: It's so good to see you. We communicated recently without

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Speaker 1: Like, no, No, that's the Office was the first rush

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Speaker 1: Office was a whole other animal. It's just yeah, that

430
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: that rarefied air. We just all of a sudden gasping

431
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: to get more.

432
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 2: Right. But in the sixties, you're invited to the Playboy Mansion.

433
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I see, I was invited to

434
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 2: the Playboy Mansion. So you were in the you were

435
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 2: in the Toronto in the sixties, yeah, and then what

436
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 2: then forty years later I was I was invited only

437
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: forty years later than you were years later. But you've

438
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 2: experienced all of that sort of Hollywood and I'm putting

439
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 2: air quotes on thatchery well Los Angeles, Like how do

440
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: I say this? The kind of clubs and I don't

441
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: mean clubs, but I mean like where you you're only invited.

442
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: You can't go unless you're invited. You can't guess that's

443
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 2: the thing, right.

444
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: When when you when some a lister brings up there

445
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: having a hot tub party and you're playing celebrity pud touch,

446
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,479
Speaker 1: these are the only places that you can you're can

447
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 1: get invited.

448
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 2: To, right, Yes, what what is I hope that was?

449
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: You can cut that one.

450
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: No, I enjoyed it for you. What is the what

451
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 2: is your favorite experience that you had during that time?

452
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 2: During that run, I mean you you were doing movies too.

453
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: I know you did a movie with Doris Day, Oh

454
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 2: my gosh.

455
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: But I gotta say that with Brian Keith, he come

456
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: to the set, he wouldn't have any makeup on, you know,

457
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: he was like he was like Spencer Tracy. They put

458
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: makeup on, he would take it off. He hated it

459
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: and he just looked everybody else. They looked like thick,

460
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: like a mud, and he was just like gone, where

461
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: is he was? Right there? She had You've heard the

462
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: jokes about the door stay filters, all the filter in

463
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: front of the camera, right, yeah, there were they were

464
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: there with we. We said, what the hell? What are

465
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: all those things out fronts? I thoughts her filters, you know,

466
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: and you can cut. You can see George Carlin. This

467
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: is first movie with you know, he's George Carnes in

468
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: this movie. And theything click clicking, and all of a

469
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: sudden he comes boop, there's this mud, this dirty water

470
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: from the Doris and then everyone's clear again.

471
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 2: But look young, what's your favorite experience that you had

472
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: during this time?

473
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 3: Oh?

474
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: I think from a musical point of view, our second

475
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: album Feelings, the band instead of using the Wrecking Crew

476
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: for for some of the stuff or the bass and

477
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: the drums, Warren and I played on a lot of stuff,

478
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: but we didn't use our bass player and our drummer.

479
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: We did.

480
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: We did though on this second album and they took

481
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: a shot with it and we had a song called

482
00:26:54,880 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: Feelings that our original Kenny Fukumoto wrote Boom boom boom,

483
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: feel It's me feel So we were at Oxnard and

484
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: we played uh Live for Today Midnight Confessions the crowd

485
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: where they love that, but we played Feelings, which was

486
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: our song. It was our song, but it was our

487
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: song that we'd played, you know, completely, and the crowd

488
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: went like just they started it started galvanizing ituse with

489
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: that kind of song, And at that moment I thought, Okay,

490
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: here we go. We're the band, we are the ship

491
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: were the rest of the real deal. It was short lived,

492
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: but that was a moment where I thought, Okay, this

493
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: is genuinely exciting stuff. That when that grout crowd is

494
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: there with you like that, joining you, and they's they're

495
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: moss mash pitting or whatever it is called. Yeah, you know,

496
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: they're bouncing up and going and stuff like that. Yeah,

497
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: it was great. That was That was a great moment.

498
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: There's all kinds of other things, but as far as

499
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: what I wanted, I wanted respect from from people for

500
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: the music. It wasn't anything else but their respect and

501
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: doing good art, good art.

502
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: Can you talk about why the band ended? Why you left?

503
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: I had an epiphany after the Johnny Carson show. We

504
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: were heading back to the hotel and I listened to

505
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: the band music from Big Pink, and that was that

506
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 1: was a just a paradigm shift in my consciousness as

507
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: far as what you can accomplish. And that's not the

508
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: same that we could become the band. But I thought

509
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: that we had already done this. It wasn't. It didn't

510
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: wasn't as successful as the studio produced stuff. So the

511
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: ones they saw what it was, it wasn't didn't do

512
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: as go I on the charts. They went back to

513
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: the old formula. And I really wondered they should have

514
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: stayed with us a little longer and give us another

515
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: shot to stay longer. I mean, they gave us the

516
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: shot they did. I'll be fair about that, fair play.

517
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: And I've said I told him, I said, I think

518
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: we should go off in Woodshed. I think we should

519
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: come up with their own stuff because we're not gonna

520
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: have credibility. And they didn't want to do it. And

521
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people think it's because I dropped acid

522
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: at the film or and it couldn't finish the show.

523
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: But it wasn't that at all. A lot there's a

524
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: lot that was another Friday for most rock bands. You know.

525
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: It was this thing that I wanted to do that.

526
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: So they said, if you're not happy, you can leave

527
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: and we'll give you a settlement nights.

528
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: And I took it.

529
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: You know, I left, and I've thought for a long

530
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: time maybe it was a bad move. But obviously, as

531
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: we know, it all worked out worse out.

532
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you left the grassroots in nineteen sixty nine, you

533
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: put out a solo album in two thousand and three. Yep,

534
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: now we know what you were up to in front

535
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: of the camera, if you will, musically, for you, what

536
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: changed or shifted or evolved for you during that time?

537
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: Okay, I think the big that's a good question, Ryan,

538
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: that's a really good question. I uh, don't, don't get

539
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: deadly go to your head, just did I won't.

540
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: I get one every month.

541
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: I don't get any I don't get anything. I'm jealous,

542
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: just jealous to give that. I think what happened is

543
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: that at that time I had to go out and

544
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: with my guitar and play these little clubs, and uh,

545
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: I've did another kind of jokes, but I would go

546
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: play it. And so with my acoustic guitar, I had

547
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: to sing and I had to write songs. So I

548
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: started writing. I had been writing songs, but I started

549
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: writing more personal songs, and trust me, I wrote a

550
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: lot of really bad songs. I mean, you know, hundreds

551
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: of songs that were like oh people, oh God, and

552
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: you move on, you move on. Finally you get something

553
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: like all the Faces comes along, and then you start.

554
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: Then I guess you put enough time into it. The

555
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: muse says, well, you're worth it now you you've you've

556
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: paid your due. Is we're going to give you some

557
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 1: better material. And I think it was just because I

558
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: wasn't just playing lead guitar in a band. I had

559
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: to stand up with my hand, stand up and be counted,

560
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: write my songs, sing them myself. I had to serve

561
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: the songs with my voice. And as you sing in

562
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: clubs and tour, you get stronger, you get a stronger voice,

563
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: you know. And I think on this, the songs you've heard,

564
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: the voices, the voice is getting stronger. It's just getting better.

565
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: It's just the way it worked, the way it works.

566
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: So that was a good It was a good thing.

567
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: What are the uh the obstacles? Was Marcus Aurelius and

568
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: the stoics said, the obstacle, You know, obstacles the way

569
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: you get you get obstacles in your life. They're not

570
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: the end, they're not a problem. Just you just become

571
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: adaptable and you get stronger.

572
00:31:42,960 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: Because so earlier in your career when you were a kid,

573
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: did you consider yourself a singer? No.

574
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: I always thought I would sing harmonies with the Torques,

575
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: the band I played when I was young, and I

576
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: would sing, But I never considered myself just a guitar

577
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: player mostly, and I'd sing harmonies and I staying some

578
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: leads with the grassroots, but they were you could hear that.

579
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: You could hear the early recordings. It's very tentative. It's

580
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: kind of a sweet voice, but it's not confident, certainly

581
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: not confident at all.

582
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you put out six solo albums with Kindred Records

583
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: in the two thousands. Was there something that happened for

584
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: you that enabled you to become really prolific in terms

585
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: of your writing and recording music during that time?

586
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: Persistence and uh and also just uh. I it helped

587
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: a lot with the office. Right right off the bat,

588
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: I was able to go out and tour again. And

589
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: when we first when I first started touring, I didn't

590
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: have the bits. I didn't have the I had to

591
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: I've sat there just sweating bullets or trying to come

592
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: up with something to say in between the songs. Eventually

593
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: I wrote, I started writing material and started working and

594
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: people laughed. And then before the show was over, I

595
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: was doing tours and when we were on hiatus and stuff,

596
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: and people come up and so we came because you're

597
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: so funny, but we really love those songs. You know,

598
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna go download these songs. These songs touch us emotionally.

599
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: And at that moment, Ryan I thought, Okay, okay, uh,

600
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: this is legit and I'm not just go and smoke

601
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: up my own ass. You know. It's uh, it's there's

602
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: are good songs. And then I started Then when when

603
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: you get the confidence to believe you're doing something good,

604
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: then you you you'll project more and you'll, uh, you'll

605
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: not only enthusiastic. I was definitely enthusiastic. I just had conviction, confidence, confidence.

606
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 2: Thank you guys, if you do you ever have the

607
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: opportunity to see this guy, if he's ever in your town,

608
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: let me tell you something. I was lucky enough to

609
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: go to a big concert that that Creed that was

610
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: at the Roxy, right, ye, yes, at the Roxy. The

611
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: historic Roxy Theater on Sunset Boulevard there in Los Angeles.

612
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: I'm telling you what, guys, he is a rock star. No,

613
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: there's no pretending, there is no like this. He is legit.

614
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: It is a show and I would guess that we

615
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: broke records for how many people were in the Roxy. Now,

616
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: maybe back in the sixties they jammed people in the fire.

617
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: Marshal wasn't looking at it, but I'm telling you it

618
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 2: was jam packed and a lot of fun and everybody

619
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 2: really enjoyed it. You started your own label, Alien Chicken

620
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: several years ago. Why'd you decide to do that?

621
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: Well, first of let me say about the rock saying

622
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: it would have been a good show, but with you

623
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: there and Angela there, then that's that's where the people

624
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: came out because of the show. It was also charity

625
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: for the Australian Wildfire's Wildfires thing.

626
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: You know.

627
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still the same thing. I was Kendrick's Music

628
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: as my publishing company. When it became my company, Alien Chicken,

629
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: I just changed. I just went over to just ok

630
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: as a matter of course, just change it over to

631
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: Alien Chicken.

632
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, last time that I talked to you here

633
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: on the podcast. You'd put out an album slightly altered,

634
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: although some would argue it is morely significantly altered. But anyway,

635
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: it's your title. You get to do what you want. Now.

636
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: Right now as we speak, you're working on your tenth

637
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: so incredible album, dow Pop. It releases in the fall.

638
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: Talk to me just first. I know you have your

639
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: second song just out. I'll talk about that in a second.

640
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: What was your journey from Slightly Altered to dow Pop.

641
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: We had more time, and we also had I wrote

642
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: a couple of songs we recorded just me and Dylan

643
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: O'Brien because of the COVID thing, and then when it

644
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: was over we get the band in there. We took

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Speaker 1: time and I was able to when I got back

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Speaker 1: touring again, I was able to sing these songs live

647
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: in front of the audience to find which ones worked,

648
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: which ones didn't work. So this is more of a

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Speaker 1: SELECTI process. Also, four of the songs, always Dreaming of You,

650
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Speaker 1: the one that you you have now, the second single

651
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: I wrote that with Dylan O'Brien, just out July nineteenth.

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00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: July nineteenth, and then Tuga Wore I wrote Dylan, Excuse Me,

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Speaker 1: Billy Harvey Turned the Corner of the Universe, which is

654
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: already out with Vance DeGeneres, Ellen's brother who ran Steve's company.

655
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Speaker 1: That's where I met him in the set one day

656
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: and it's got very funny, really good guy and I

657
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: write great stuff. And then my Jeff Pearlman, who's just

658
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: a great guitar play wrote this comm country song called

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00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: toy Bote and uh, it's we got We've got Dean

660
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: Parks on this album, Elliott Easton from the Cars, so

661
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: playing on a couple of songs. It's it's just the

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00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: it's by Brian's the best album, so proud of This

663
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: album really is a good one.

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Speaker 2: Is your this is you think this is the best album?

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00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure of it. I'm sure of it. Yeah,

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00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: so I have That's why I'm going out of my

667
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: way to get a publicist and go through all of this. Suddencuse,

668
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Speaker 1: I really believe it warrants it.

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Speaker 2: So when you're about to release an album, I've always

670
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: been curious about this do you have is it Is

671
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: it like a movie? Do you view it like that

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00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: where you have sort of an overarching story or an

673
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: idea from for this album from the get go, or

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Speaker 2: does it evolve and change as different songs and different

675
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: collaborations that you just mentioned feed into it too, and

676
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: and and make up the individual songs.

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Speaker 1: That's a good wow, that's a really good question too.

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00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 2: It's number two. That's not a roll, My man's a roll.

679
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Speaker 1: The the theme of it is is the down pop

680
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: thing is on the picture is me talking to a

681
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: couple of alien robots. It says, uh, it's for that's

682
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: from chipping the Chip in my brain song no I wrote.

683
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: I wrote ten songs, six six by myself, four with

684
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: other people. Each song is indifferent, but when the the

685
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: Chip in my Brain came along, that kind of set

686
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Speaker 1: the tone for the album cover. So there's really no

687
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: rhyme or reason too. Uh, it's just ten really good

688
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: songs and the theme the theme. If there's a theme,

689
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: it's because it's the artwork theme that holds it together. Okay,

690
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: But my songs are always yearning spiritual growth, overcoming versity,

691
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: just me my life.

692
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 2: You've continued to do that, Yes, Yes, that is a

693
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 2: that is a constant journey for us, all for all

694
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 2: of us. But you're very you're very open about that

695
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: for yourself, which I admire. About you.

696
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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you man. I don't I feel obviously very

697
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: very lucky. And if not a day goes by that

698
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Speaker 1: I don't give gratitude for how my life is turned out.

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00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: It's astonished. I have to pinch myself. Really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's it.

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00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: So the album comes out September twenty seventh, as you

702
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: know you July and I think you said July nineteenth.

703
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: You know more about this thing than I do.

704
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, is it done? Is the album done?

705
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: The album's absolutely done, completely done.

706
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: Why are you making us wait for it? Then? Well,

707
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 2: what is this? Let's just look look look oh oh

708
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it right now, guys, dow Pop. What

709
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: a what a great picture that that artwork. We'll post

710
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: a picture of this. That artwork should win. And you're

711
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: going on tour of course.

712
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: On tour and playing the Baked Potato with my friend

713
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: Tim Hawckenberry, Charlie Ferrager and Sebastian Lenz on the tenth okay,

714
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: and then well then where all the four of us

715
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: are going to go out in September and do a

716
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: California tour in a spreader that that will be so

717
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: people in California look for us we'll go. I'll be

718
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: coming through with the band in a spreader van, big one.

719
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Speaker 2: Are you going to stay in hostels?

720
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Speaker 1: If I could find one, I would in California?

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Speaker 2: All right, last question. You know, I don't reveal anyone's age,

722
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,479
Speaker 2: but it occurred to me that you are of a

723
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Speaker 2: similar age as the two uh gentlemen, to put it nicely,

724
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: who are are running for president? Right now? Let me

725
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: ask you this here and now, for your fans and

726
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: for this nation, Creed, would you consider running for president.

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Speaker 1: My fellow Americans? Uhh, that's really so rough, you kid. No, yeah, right,

728
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: That's what they need is Creed for president.

729
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: That is Hey, listen, let me promise you this. You would,

730
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Speaker 2: You would get my vote and I and I suspect

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Speaker 2: Creed you would get a fair number of votes for

732
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: the presidency. You're always, as I said before, striving to

733
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: be a better person and to continue to work on

734
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: yourself to make the world a better place. And you

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00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 2: do that through well just who you are and also

736
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Speaker 2: your art. So I want to thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for your friendship. I want

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Speaker 2: to wish you all the best on dow Pop and

739
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: uh yeah, next time, I'm going to be up there

740
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: and go to your coffee shop. I'm going to call

741
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Speaker 2: you in advance.

742
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: Call me, call me, we'll call me in and we'll meet.

743
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: We'll meet now now, I know. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love you, Brian.

745
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: I love you too much.

746
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: You are an inspiration to me too, because you're not

747
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: that character Kevin and He but ladies and gentlemen, he did.

748
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: He came to it and did it every day and

749
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Speaker 1: people I know believe he's but he's not that guy.

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Speaker 1: Far as far as the cooler, yes, yes, much smarter,

751
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: much muchmarter.

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00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: Creed, have a good summer, Creed. Great to talk to

753
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: you as always, and uh, well, next time I'll buy

754
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: you that coffee. Come back as many times as you like,

755
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 2: my friend, You are always welcome here with me. Listeners,

756
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 2: listen to his new single I'll always be dreaming of you,

757
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: and keep an eye out for Dow Pop coming out

758
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: in September and between now in September, you can fill

759
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: your ears by coming back here and listening to me.

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00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 2: It may not rhyme, it may not be melodious, but well,

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00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: we try to have fun. Until next time, everybody, have

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Speaker 2: a great week. Off The Beat is hosted and executive

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Speaker 2: produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer Lang Lee.

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Speaker 2: Our senior producer is Diego Tapia. Our producers are Emily

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Speaker 2: Carr and Seth Olanski, and our talent producer is Ryan

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Speaker 2: Papa Zachary. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak, performed by

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Speaker 2: the one and Only Creed Bretton