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Speaker 1: It's now officially open. This is draft season. John Schmel,

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Speaker 1: Tony Pauline with you. Was all brought to you by Moody's,

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Speaker 1: college football Week number three as we head into now

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Speaker 1: conference schedules coming in force here, Tony, how was your week?

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Speaker 1: How was your weekend?

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Speaker 2: Well, the weekend Saturday, it was just basically sitting here

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Speaker 2: from twelve noon until about twelve at night watching a

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Speaker 2: lot of football. You're right, I mean there were some

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Speaker 2: good games. There were some good conference games. A couple

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Speaker 2: of games that came down to the wire that Notre Dame,

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Speaker 2: Texas A and M in the game. I was actually

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Speaker 2: in bed before it ended. It took forever, but it

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Speaker 2: was an exciting game.

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Speaker 3: Game.

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Speaker 2: You know, LSU keeps on rolling, Vanderbilt keeps on surprising,

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Speaker 2: and well we will eventually run into the meat potatoes

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we had our first big coaching change in college football,

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Speaker 2: And Virginia Tech moving on from their coach who I mean,

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Speaker 2: Old Dominion went into Virginia Tech and just destroyed him. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: have you basically knew at halftime of that game the

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Speaker 2: Virginia Tech coach cry would not make it till Monday, and.

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Speaker 1: Then I would keep an eye on Florida as well, Tony.

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Speaker 1: With DJ Lagway throwing a bunch of interceptions in that game,

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Speaker 1: they kept it close with LSU. But Florida takes on

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Speaker 1: the country. We'll see how that goes and we will

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Speaker 1: go from there. But that's another job that I think

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people were surprised that Florida

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Speaker 2: kept Napier at the end of last season, but remember,

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Speaker 2: you know, last season they started off slow. Miami went

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Speaker 2: you forget about is the fact that Florida, before losing

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Speaker 2: South Florida got pounded by Miami of Florida this past weekend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely things to keep an eye on as we

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Speaker 1: big upset of the weekend. Tony Clemson, who is now

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Speaker 1: one and two. They were your choice to potentially be

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Speaker 2: And the thing about Tech is they're not as talented

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Speaker 2: But again, you know, people, a lot of people called

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, Davil Sweeney's gonna have to get

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Speaker 2: I mean, the opportunity with the college football playoffs is

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Speaker 1: All right, Tony, let's them go over to the SEC.

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Speaker 1: A couple of matchups in that Arkansas Mississippi game this

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Speaker 2: It was a terrific game, a back and forth game Arkansas.

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Speaker 2: If you've watched our show last week, Taylor and Green,

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Speaker 2: If you watch that game, Arkansas was driving for the

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Speaker 2: Mississippi recovered, game over. But it was an exciting game.

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Speaker 1: Hey Tony, you didn't have this on your review, but

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Speaker 1: I watched the game. I stayed up and was on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Jeremiah Love played well in spots. We

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Speaker 2: They're just I don't think getting the consistent play out

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And you know what, I will say this though,

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Speaker 2: But then again, listen, a year ago, everyone you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in car six three two ten. So he certainly

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Speaker 1: So last week you did your top tens or you know,

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's funny some of these guys, Tony.

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Speaker 1: This is one of those years where you have you know,

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Speaker 1: And then the next three guys, I think Tony are

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Speaker 1: Anyone else in this group. Tony that has the excited

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Speaker 1: That was Farmer right last year out of Florida.

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Speaker 1: All right, Let's go to the defensive Josh Staff deformer,

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Speaker 1: This is probably one of the deepest spots in the draft, Tony,

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be some really good pass rushers coming out.

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Speaker 2: It's just that Keldrick Falk of Auburn is head and

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Speaker 2: a top three pick. There's no doubt about it. LT Overton.

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Speaker 1: And Antony and a lot of these guys, especially the

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Speaker 1: Antoni. I'll get to the linebackers and the edge players

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Speaker 2: I think that that the Tennessee field goal kicker is

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Speaker 1: linebackers here, Tony. But first, just a reminder. Draft season

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Speaker 1: and linebackers spot here, Tony, you have these guys kind

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Speaker 1: that the number one guy in your let'st hear is TJ.

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Speaker 2: Has not played well this year. I mean, like I

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Speaker 2: He's not gonna go as early as many of us thought.

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Speaker 1: He potentially could go interesting, all right. Then he got

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Speaker 1: got burst. They can get him. Feel very very impressive.

436
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Speaker 2: Stanford transfer if you watch the Stanford film last year,

437
00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 2: I mean very explosive, a six and forty six pounds.

438
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,280
Speaker 2: But he's tough to block. He's never off his feet,

439
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,920
Speaker 2: mix plays in all directions. I've seen times where he's

440
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,440
Speaker 2: playing off the line of scrimmage. A guy that you're

441
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Speaker 2: gonna just find a way, a place on the field

442
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Speaker 2: to put him. I'm sure he'll come out of a

443
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 2: three point stance on occasion. A lot of people in

444
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,280
Speaker 2: the league like him. Came into the season with the

445
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,200
Speaker 2: high grade we'll see this year. It goes from Stanford

446
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,960
Speaker 2: to Texas Tech. You know in the Big twelve where

447
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,200
Speaker 2: they like to throw the ball and put up a

448
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,480
Speaker 2: lot of points. So he's gonna be relied upon a

449
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 2: lot to make plays in the backfield.

450
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Speaker 3: And disrupt the action.

451
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Speaker 1: All right, how about Jackas? And then you got Quah

452
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Speaker 1: Rusaw out of Alabama. I've not heard that name before,

453
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Speaker 1: so fill me in.

454
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Russo is an underclassman. I believe he's a third

455
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 2: year sophomore. He showed flashes. I like his game, I

456
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Speaker 2: like his upside, and the history is there at Alabama,

457
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 2: or at least it was with Nick Saban that they

458
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,200
Speaker 2: developed these guys into top NFL prospects. That's what Rusaw

459
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 2: is more his upside potential of what I project over

460
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,399
Speaker 2: the next couple of years than what I'm getting right now,

461
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 2: as opposed to Jackas, who really is a relentless force

462
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 2: for Illinois. I mean he's a tough guy to stop.

463
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 2: Hey had some good battles against Parker in that first

464
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 2: game against Stuke. He forces the action, not just as

465
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Speaker 2: a pass rusher. He'll he'll separate the ball from opponents

466
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 2: in space six eighty pounds. He's one of those guys

467
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Speaker 2: that you mentioned. Where is he going to play on Sunday?

468
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 2: Is he going to be a defensive tackle? Is he

469
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 2: an end in a three man front? How many times

470
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 2: does he line up end in a format front? But

471
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 2: the fact is this. He's a good player that forces

472
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 2: the action. He's got a good motor. A defensive coordinator

473
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 2: will find someplace or some way to use him on

474
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Speaker 2: the field.

475
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Speaker 1: All right, Tony, let's do the off ball linebackers. Now.

476
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Speaker 1: Anthony Hill out of Texas, someone that we've talked about

477
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 1: a bunch here and very popular on the internet draft scene.

478
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 1: Talk about him. And then Harold Perkins back on this list,

479
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Speaker 1: someone that we've talked about a lot the last couple

480
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: of years. You know, you got hurt last year, ended

481
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,880
Speaker 1: up going back to school. Now probably gonna come out

482
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 1: this year of everything goes well. And some other familiar

483
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: names here as well.

484
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 2: Linebacker, you know, it's off ball linebacker has kind of

485
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 2: been depreciated devalued in the draft. This is a real

486
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 2: good group. I mean, we're probably gonna have a couple

487
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 2: of first rounders and you gotta have a lot of

488
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 2: guys who are going to go Day two. Anthony Hill

489
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 2: from Texas. If you watch Texas, you can't miss numbers

490
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 2: zero because he's all over the place, making fields, making

491
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 2: plays up the field as a pass rusher, in pursuit,

492
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 2: dropping off the line. He's relentless, he's tough. He's not

493
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 2: the biggest guy in the world, but he's constantly around

494
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 2: the action, around the ball, forcing the action. Deontay Watson

495
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: another guy, more of your traditional Crimson tide off the

496
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Speaker 2: ball linebacker. They're using them the blitz on occasion, but

497
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 2: he's great pursuit. He's real good in zone coverage, shows

498
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 2: the ability to flip his hips and get downfield. A

499
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 2: real good three down defender. You can use them on

500
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 2: third and two to stop the run. You can use

501
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Speaker 2: them on third and six if you need to cover

502
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Speaker 2: the tight end. Harold Perkins, I have him what number

503
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: four on my list. I have him as a second

504
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 2: round pick. All signs are right now that Harold Perkins

505
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 2: is back to where he was as a freshman, yeah

506
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: before his injury, and he is just lightning on fire.

507
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 2: So I think when all said and done, Harold Perkins

508
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: is going to be a first round pick. Now that said,

509
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 2: what is Harol Perkins. He's six ft two, twenty pounds.

510
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 2: You know, he's a smaller, one gap type of linebacker.

511
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 2: I love his game. I just don't think he's going

512
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 2: to be able to do the same things on Sunday

513
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 2: that he's that He's able to do on Saturday because

514
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 2: he's so overwhelming force against college blockers and college athletes.

515
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a little bit of a different sort

516
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: of situation in the NFL. But he's still really good

517
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: and he's incredibly expensed, incredibly explosive.

518
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Speaker 3: CJ.

519
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: Allen out of Georgia the next top off the ball,

520
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 2: explosive Georgia linebacker. He's the Day two pick. Jay Shwan

521
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: Barrow of Michigan, a guy who I don't think it's enough.

522
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 2: Notice the Maryland transfer. They use him up with the

523
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 2: line as a pass rusher. He's effective. They use him

524
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 2: backed off the line in space, he's also effective. They

525
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 2: use them in coverage, they use him in pursuit. He's

526
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 2: gotten better and better and better. A guy I know

527
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: that you like and I absolutely love. Weighed with Daz

528
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 2: so Clemson. It's kind of taking a back seat to

529
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: the freshman there, but with Daz's instinctive, he's tough. He

530
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: constantly is taking correct angles, constantly making the good plays

531
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 2: on the football. Really again, a three down off ball linebacker.

532
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 2: Third and two, he's terrific against the run. Third and four.

533
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 2: You can use him as in coverage. Scouts are not

534
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: as high and with dies they have a day three

535
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Speaker 2: grade on him.

536
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 3: I have a third round grade on him.

537
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 2: Six three and thirty pounds, runs in the four sixes,

538
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 2: plays faster than that. A couple other guys I'm just

539
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: gonna get give one more name to keep an eye on.

540
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:55,719
Speaker 2: Kaid A Louvi from California, six thirty five pounds. You

541
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Speaker 2: want to talk about a guy that plays like his

542
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 2: hair is on fire. His guy is great in pursuit.

543
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 2: This guy's constantly selling out number ten on California. At

544
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 2: least it was number ten last year. They always changing

545
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 2: their numbers. Now, this guy constantly selling out to make

546
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 2: plays absolute ball of fire in the football field.

547
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 3: But again you're off the ball.

548
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 2: Traditional weak side linebacker, which you know does not get

549
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 2: drafted as early as they did fifteen twenty twenty five

550
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 2: years ago.

551
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Speaker 1: And Tony, I feel like we have not mentioned an

552
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: Ohio State defender yet, and we just talked about front

553
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: seven players. So I feel obligated to mention Sonny Styles

554
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: because he is on your list. Otherwise, our resident Ohio

555
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 1: State alumni, Dan Salomon that rights for us upstairs might

556
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: break through the wall like the Kool aid Man and

557
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: and come after me. But he's a really good athlete,

558
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: and he's also a very good inside linebacker.

559
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: Former safety that they moved to linebacker last year. He

560
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: should he plays in spurts. He's got to be a

561
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 2: little bit more consistent. I don't know whether it's instincts,

562
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 2: whether it's still he's getting he's getting used to the position,

563
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: but he's got upside. He's starting to really play much

564
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: better and better. Listen for your guy, Gan upstairs. I'm

565
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: also gonna mention Kenyada Jackson, who I skipped at with

566
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: the pass rushers sophomore last year's really being really being

567
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,360
Speaker 2: counted on this year, considering that entire Ohio Stated defensive

568
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: line graduated to the NFL last year. Conjetta Jackson, who's

569
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 2: a real good pass rusher, not the biggest guy in

570
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 2: the world, but it's got some good upside, real good

571
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: athlete as well.

572
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is the number five on the defensive endless

573
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: just not someone Tony went into detail about it. It's

574
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: important to note, well, there is a guy in the

575
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Speaker 1: defensive backfield, Tony that is from Ohio State that's on

576
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: the top of the list. Here you combine safeties and

577
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: corners here, probably because the corner class is not one

578
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: of the better ones I've seen in recent memory, Tony.

579
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: You might have some underclassmen that make it better if

580
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: they end up declaring. But Caleb down sits the top

581
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: of your defensive back list, which should surprise nobody. That

582
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: guy is a flat out playmaker.

583
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 2: You know, we talked about the defensive ends, the edges.

584
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 2: It's Keldrick Falk and everybody else. Although that position is

585
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: a bit deeper. That's the way it is defensive back.

586
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 3: I mean, Caleb.

587
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: Downs right now is the highest rated player in the draft.

588
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: He's the best player in the draft if the draft

589
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: were held today. But he plays safety. Are you going

590
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: to where are you going to draft the safety? But

591
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: I think he's a little bit more than a safety.

592
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: Think about Brian Branch, but he's bigger, he's faster, he's

593
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: more explosive. He forces the action a little bit more so.

594
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,239
Speaker 2: He's a Brian Branch type that I think you can

595
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: use as a traditional free safety. You can use him

596
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 2: as a nickelback over the slot receiver. He was not

597
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 2: going to be a liability. He's tough, he's a playmaker.

598
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Ohio State fans can say he

599
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: basically won them that national championship a year ago. If

600
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: you remember that second down play, he busts through the

601
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 2: offensive line, the Texas offense line into the backfield, makes

602
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 2: the tackle for loss. Two plays later, Jack Sorry comes

603
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: around the edge the scoop and score strip, scoop and

604
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 2: score play that was set up by Cale Downs. He's

605
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 2: a complete safety. I absolutely love him. I think it's

606
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: gonna be my highest rated player the way. Look Kyle

607
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: Hamilton was a bit overrated a couple of years ago.

608
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 2: I think Caleb Downs is a little bit underrated. It's

609
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: just a matter of where you're gonna draft a guy

610
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: like that. I think he can fit anything, like I said,

611
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: free safety, nickel back, whatever you want to use him as.

612
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: He's got that kind of upside. It's gonna be interesting

613
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: to see as we go through the pre draft process.

614
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 2: You know, what kind of testing does he do? And

615
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: I know I'm getting ahead of myself because we're seeing

616
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: now more and more guys who don't do anything. You know,

617
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: does Caleb Downs, you know, run before the draft? And

618
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 2: how fast is he if he doesn't run? How big

619
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: a red flag is that are team's going to basically

620
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: knock him down for that. He's a great football player

621
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: and he's been in that. He's been there for a

622
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: couple of years at Ohio State. Alabama transfer is actually

623
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: very good at Alabama before he transferred to Ohio State.

624
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, he was not on Bruce Alman's freak

625
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 1: last I did ask Bruce about that when we had

626
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: him on a couple of weeks ago. For the folks

627
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: that haven't seen that show, they should go back and

628
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: find it, and he said, look, he just didn't meet

629
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Speaker 1: some of the freakish thresholds. I guess for lack of

630
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: remember expression to get on that list, But that does

631
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: not mean he is not a phenomenal football player, Tony,

632
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: Why don't you go through the rest of your safeties

633
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: that you like before you jump over the corner.

634
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 3: TJ.

635
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 2: Metcalf from Michigan and Arkansas transfer showed me a lot

636
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: in Arkansas last year. I haven't really watched him that

637
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: much at Michigan. A big, rangey, free safety type that

638
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: goes sideline to sideline. Keon sob of Alabama, your prototypical

639
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: Alabama safety. He's not super big, he's not super fast,

640
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: but he's incredibly smart. He's got it going on between

641
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: the ears, terrific instincts, diagnose his plays before they happen,

642
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: really good in coverage in a smaller area. Tough, explosive

643
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: run defender. There's a place for him at the next level.

644
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: Amri Ferrell of Indiana more of a downhill, explosive type

645
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: of guy. Very underrated. Rod Moore of Michigan real good

646
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: safety that struggled with injuries. I think he was injured

647
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: early last season. He's not seen the field this year.

648
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: When you look at the film, he's a top forty

649
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: five type of prospect, but the injuries are pushing him down.

650
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Speaker 2: Will have to wait and see when Rod Moore returns

651
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: to the field this year. He may have played last

652
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: week against Thing they played Central Michigan. I may be

653
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: mistaken against on that I know he didn't play Week one,

654
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: and how he plays when he returns.

655
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Speaker 1: All right, let's hit the cornerbacks here, Tony and two

656
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Speaker 1: guys that I've watched it I think are really good players.

657
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: Avion Terrell out of Clemson, who's the younger brother of

658
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Speaker 1: the Terrell that's in with the Falcons right now. Aj

659
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Speaker 1: Terrell correct, And then you have Mansor Delane, the transferre

660
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: to LSU from Virginia Tech, who is or has just

661
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: been phenomenal this year.

662
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Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, yeah. Terrell's a terrific cover guy. But he's

663
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: not big. He's not tall.

664
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Speaker 2: I mean you could see he's out matched by size

665
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: by receivers he goes up against. But that doesn't stop him.

666
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: And what he's good at is he makes plays with

667
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: his back to the ball. He gets his head back around,

668
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: tracks the pass in the air, makes plays on the football.

669
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: He's very explosive, also very physical, fires up the field

670
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: and voluntarily defends the run. The Lane's a guy that

671
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: I like since he was a sophomore for Virginia techas

672
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: wall skills are outstanding standing. He's got decent length, He's

673
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: consistently productive, doesn't have mental breakdowns on the field, doesn't

674
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: have a lot of bad plays. I was told two

675
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: years ago that the knock on him is his speed.

676
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: He's a four or five to five cornerback, which would

677
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: push him down. I don't see it on film me

678
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: neither on film. That is fast enough to play on Sunday,

679
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: And since moving from Virginia Tech to LSU, he's just

680
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: up this game. As you said, you know, you've watched

681
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: him in the past couple of weeks. He's been terrific

682
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: in big spots because LSU really right out of the

683
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: gate against Clemson and then last week against Florida. They've

684
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: had a very tough schedule, so you know, he's playing

685
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: against good competition and he's answered the bell and to he.

686
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: Plays the ball so well, like he gets around receivers

687
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: without committing past interference penalties. He can play press, he

688
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: can play off. He's just he's a physical player, two

689
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety two pounds. He's just checked every box

690
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: for me watching him in these first couple of weeks.

691
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: And the thing is is you go back and you

692
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: watch the Virginia Tech film. He was that type of

693
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Speaker 2: player of Virginia Tech. The only thing is they really

694
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: didn't throw in his direction too much because he was

695
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: so good. Malik Muhammad. We saw John da Barron last year.

696
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: He selected in the first round. Malik Muhammad the same

697
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: sort of player, can play in the slot, can play

698
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: on the outside, feisty, physical, works hard to get involved

699
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: in the action, but also possesses real good ball skills.

700
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: Jaiir Hill of Michigan needs to polish his game, but

701
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: has excellent size. Hits that six foot even length that

702
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: the teams want, shows ability. Just needs to elevate his game.

703
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: Judge Collier of South Carolina. South Carolina's got a couple

704
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 2: of different defensive backs to keep an eye on. Collier

705
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: is a guy that has shown a lot of potential.

706
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: He shows a lot of flash plays. Hopefully he puts

707
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: his game together this year. Christian Gray note your dame

708
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: at the top of his game. Christian Gray looks like

709
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: a dominant top fifteen cornerback, but there are a lot

710
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: of lapses, including that big pass he led up to

711
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith last year and the College Football Final. You know,

712
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: if he can iron out and stop the lapses, he's

713
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: gonna move up draft wards. But if he continues to

714
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: have those lapses, that's something that's very dangerous, especially at

715
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Speaker 2: the cornerback position where you you know, a lapse can

716
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: lead to a you know, a thirty forty yard player

717
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Speaker 2: a touchdown for the opposition.

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Speaker 1: No question about it. Tony Moodies is a proud part

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Speaker 1: of the New York Giants, uniting the brightest minds to

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Speaker 1: turn today's risk into tomorrow's opportunities. Learn more on Moodies

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Speaker 1: dot com and Toni. As we headed now to our

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Speaker 1: Week four preview here, we're starting to get into the

723
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Speaker 1: deeper part of the conference schedule and one game in

724
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Speaker 1: the Big Ten. Really, you know, jumped out in me.

725
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Speaker 1: Two teams that have a history of being really good

726
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: football teams. You haven't seen both be really good in

727
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: the same year in a while. That's Indiana and Illinois.

728
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: Two really good coaches with Signetti and Blima, with these

729
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Speaker 1: two teams and these two college programs, and a lot

730
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Speaker 1: of fun players to watch in that game.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Go back to last week's show, I talked about Fernando

733
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Speaker 2: mendoz At, the quarterback from Indiana who comes by way

734
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: of cal He's got great physical skills. He's well liked

735
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Speaker 2: in the scouting community. He's got a strong arm with

736
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Speaker 2: the ability to make all the throws or throw himself

737
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 2: out of trouble. He's athletic, he can elude the rusher,

738
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Speaker 2: he can pick up yordage with his legs. And the

739
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: hopes were that moving to Kurt Signetti or moving to

740
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Speaker 2: Indiana where he'll be coached by Kurt Signetti, one of

741
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 2: the best coaches in all of football, college or pro

742
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: he would be able to take be able to take

743
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Speaker 2: the next step in his game, which he wasn't able

744
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,919
Speaker 2: to do to do with Cow because I was told

745
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 2: the constant turnover and coaching and offensive coordinators. So far,

746
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: it's worked in the first three games, fifty five of

747
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: seventy six pass passing for nine tds and no interceptions. Now,

748
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Speaker 2: Old Dominion, who just beat up on Virginia Tech, was

749
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Speaker 2: the toughest competition that Indiana's faced. Now they go up

750
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Speaker 2: against an Illinois team that's got some real good defensive players.

751
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: We talked about. Gabe jackis the defensive end. He's going

752
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 2: to be bearing down on Mendoza throughout the game. They've

753
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: got some terrific defensive backs. Xavier Scott the safety, it's

754
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: going to be a Day three pick. Underclassman Caleb Patterson

755
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: developing cornerback. He's a Day three pick. Miles Scott the

756
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: other safety who is a tackling machine for Illinois. These

757
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: guys are smart, tough, athletic defensive backs as well as

758
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 2: jackis the terrific pass rusher.

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Speaker 3: This is a.

760
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: Huge test for Mendoza to see if he's actually taken

761
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: the next step in the game and see Netty is

762
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Speaker 2: able to work his magic on Mendoza as he did

763
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Speaker 2: with Curtis walk last year. The only difference is Mendoza

764
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Speaker 2: has the potential to be a top forty five pick because,

765
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Speaker 2: unlike Curtis Wark, if he turns out to be a

766
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Speaker 2: good quarterback and everything clicks mentally, Mendoza's got all the

767
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Speaker 2: physical skills to start on Sunday. So this is atil

768
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Speaker 2: stepping stone game from Mendoza, And this is a game

769
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Speaker 2: with you're chart to see has he leveled off or

770
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: is his game really taking off?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Tony, two of the better coaches in the Big

772
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Speaker 1: Ten here with Brett Belimo who does a really nice job,

773
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Speaker 1: and you mentioned Signetti, So should be a really good

774
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Speaker 1: game there. We mentioned Miami and Florida. They're playing this week.

775
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 1: That's a fun rivalry game. South Carolina Missouri. Missouri is undefeated,

776
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Speaker 1: they're ranked twenty third of the nation. And I think

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Speaker 1: whether or not Lenora Sellers plays in this game, and

778
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: what his injury status is, which upon this record we

779
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: don't know, is probably the top story in that game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.

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00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: I mean, if you watch the game against Vanderbilt, which

782
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 2: was on the SEC Network, it was a big conference game.

783
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 2: I was in and out of it because LSU Florida

784
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: was on. At the same time, the USC game, which

785
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: was delayed by three hours because of rain, was still on.

786
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: Notre Dame was on, so I was in and out

787
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: a lot of those games and sellers. I guess left

788
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: the game after targeting hit. The player was ejected from

789
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: the game because of targeting and never came back. I

790
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: think when he left he was like six of seven

791
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: for seventy yards. But we'll see, hopefully he can play.

792
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: I don't have an update on the injury. I really

793
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: didn't follow it. We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 1: We have two other games between two top twenty teams,

796
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Speaker 1: Texas Tech Utah is one, and Utah is always one

797
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: of these programs, they're just good every year. People they're

798
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: sot underrated their will coach. And then Auburn Oklahoma. Auburn

799
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: is twenty two, Oklahoma is eleven. Anything from either of

800
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: those two matchups that have you excited or jumps out

801
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: to you.

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00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: We spoke last week. Xavier Chaplain is my number one

803
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: rated offensive tackle. I happen to think he's going to

804
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: be a top ten pick. Virginia Tech transfer. This is

805
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: kind of a theme here, right when we talk about

806
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: whensor Delaine, guy who bends his niece. He's a terrific

807
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: pass protector, outstanding zone blocker on the second level who

808
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: maybe needs to get a little bit stronger as far

809
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 2: as a run blocker. Oklahoma's got some decent pass rushers.

810
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 2: We're talking about day three pass rush, fifth to six

811
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: round pass rushers. Our Mason Thomas is one of them.

812
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: Kendall Daniels is another one, Marvin Jones junior. They've got

813
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 2: some good guys on the inside. Grace Houlton a defensive

814
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 2: tackle who they'll occasionally kick out to the end. So

815
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: this is a big game for both teams. Obviously, Oklahoma

816
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: coming off of that win a week ago. I want

817
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: to keep the momentum going. Auburn wants to keep the

818
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 2: momentum going. But from an NFL prospect, watch keep an

819
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Speaker 2: eye on the left tackle Chaplain from Auburn, who's going

820
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: to be an early pick against a tough, feisty Oklahoma

821
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 2: pass rushers who evan link of Michigan. If you watched

822
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Speaker 2: the show last week, I spoke about him and how

823
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: good of a job that he did. Chaplain's a better player.

824
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Speaker 2: Chaplain of Auburn is a better left tackle. So Oklahoma

825
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 2: pass rushers really have a challenge this weekend.

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Speaker 1: A Hi, Tony, anything else on the weekend that as

827
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: he excited that you want to hit on before you

828
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Speaker 1: say goodbye.

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Speaker 3: Not that I've seen.

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00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: I went through the games, you know, getting a little

831
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: bit better. But I think once we get to the

832
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: end of September beginning of October, the schedule is really

833
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: gonna blow up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we are not there yet. Finally, Tony, just give

835
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Speaker 1: me a little thumbnail summary of this defensive class in

836
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Speaker 1: terms of what fans should expect as we head towards

837
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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty six NFL Draft.

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00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: You know, teams usually like a lot of defensive tackles

840
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: in the draft, and if you go through the history,

841
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: I mean you've had I think one year we had eleven, twelve,

842
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 2: thirteen defensive tackles taken in the first round. That's how

843
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: much they like them. Gonna be very disappointing at the

844
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Speaker 2: defensive tackle position. I think from a media standpoint, it's

845
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: not gonna be overly sexy because of the fact that

846
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: lack of defensive tackles no great cornerbacks at the top

847
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: and a lot of off ball linebackers. There are a

848
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: ton of really good off ball linebackers project I project

849
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: a lot of off ball linebackers in this draft, which

850
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: is good. But it doesn't you know, it doesn't. ESPN's

851
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: not talking about it ten minutes.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

853
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: I like the edge rushers, I like the linebackers, safeties

854
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: at the top, I mean the rest of the defensive backfield.

855
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: I think Leaves is gonna leave a lot of people

856
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: wanting more.

857
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the edge classes really and then that

858
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: defensive end classes where people will get most of they're

859
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: excited this year. Tony, anything coming up on sports Key?

860
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: Do you want people to keep their eyes on.

861
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: Just the risers and slaughters and any breaking news that

862
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: may affect the NFL Draft. Some of the guys we

863
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: talked about today were risers because they played so well

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Speaker 2: last week, and any news that will affect the draft

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Speaker 2: as we moved through the season.

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Speaker 1: Tony Pauling from Sports Key to I'm John Schmelt. That's

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Speaker 1: this week's episode of Draft Season, presented by Moody's a

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Speaker 1: proud ponsor of the New York Giants. For Tony, I'm Schmelk.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next week. Everybody enjoy your weekend.