Speaker 1: Well, welcome back to the show. Everybody. We are super
Speaker 1: happy to have you as always. Yeah, it's a very
Speaker 1: exciting time here in December. Jingle bells are ringing, Hanukah
Speaker 1: candles will be lit there we go, okay, and also
Speaker 1: quansa candles I suppose, oh yeah, sure, and Solstice candles.
Speaker 1: Solstice candles probably, Oh wait, no, don't the solstice. The
Speaker 1: solstice celebration is where you balance an egg, right, it
Speaker 1: stands straight up? Will you put it on the counter?
Speaker 1: I think that's what they all they all got together.
Speaker 1: Well you heard that. I've never heard of that. Oh
Speaker 1: it was it was always that on the solstice you
Speaker 1: can stand an egg up on its end and it
Speaker 1: will it'll stay up. It won't. Why have we never
Speaker 1: tried that, because because it's bullshit. We never had an
Speaker 1: egg to lose, true, but again, afford to lose an
Speaker 1: egg or podcasters. Every time somebody sees me holding an egg,
Speaker 1: they're like, careful, you're a podcaster can come crashing down.
Speaker 1: That could be or last egg that tickled me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well the truth is funny. Speaking of eggs. Oh, speaking
Speaker 1: of something, we got a story thinking of podcasting. That's
Speaker 1: where were you yeah, Oh my god, is there a
Speaker 1: microphone in front of me? Oh? You're just going off.
Speaker 1: I'm still sick. I'm blaming the loopiness. Blame the loopiness
Speaker 1: on the fruity loopiness on. No, we actually do have
Speaker 1: an episode. We're not just gonna go off forever. Victor Hugo.
Speaker 1: You've heard of Victor Hugo, I'm imagine. He is one
Speaker 1: of France's finest, most famous authors. He wrote Lame as
Speaker 1: Rob and The Hunchback of Notre Dame. And he was
Speaker 1: actually suggested to us a while back by Jenny a
Speaker 1: Are at the Perky goth on Instagram. Thank you, Jennie,
Speaker 1: I know you have also given us several other really
Speaker 1: good suggestions, so Jennie's always coming through. And then another listener,
Speaker 1: Cassandra Card, sent us Victor Hugo as well, because his
Speaker 1: insane sex drive has just been making the rounds on
Speaker 1: the lately. So thank you both for sending him in
Speaker 1: because he was really fun to get into. But as
Speaker 1: we were researching his life and his many, many, many
Speaker 1: many loves, you know what happened. This has happened before
Speaker 1: we got sidetracked because his parents had a very ridiculous
Speaker 1: romance of their own and their side pieces, their revolutionary politics,
Speaker 1: and their contentious divorce would combine to become some of
Speaker 1: the most significant events in Victor's formative years. So let
Speaker 1: us tell you about Victor Hugo's parents, Joseph Leopold Sig
Speaker 1: Hugo and Sophie Bouche. Yeah, let's go pay their French
Speaker 1: Come listen, Well, Elia and Diana got some stories to tell.
Speaker 1: There's no matchmaking, a romantic tips. It's just about ridiculous relationships,
Speaker 1: a lover. It might be any type of person at all,
Speaker 1: and abstract cons adn't a concrete wall. But if there's
Speaker 1: a story where the second clinch ridiculous Rolette a production
Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Joseph Leopold Hugo usually just called Leopold.
Speaker 1: He was a well educated son of a wood merchant
Speaker 1: and a governess, but he throw away his chance to
Speaker 1: pursue his studies to lead a more exciting and rowdy
Speaker 1: army life. Classic. In his New York Times article called
Speaker 1: Victor Hugo, Graham rob writes that Leopold was quote a short,
Speaker 1: broad chested man with a ruddy face and a fat nose,
Speaker 1: swerving constantly from deep dejection to violent elation, full of
Speaker 1: flattering stories about himself, delighted to have been shot through
Speaker 1: the next and to have had two horses blown to
Speaker 1: pieces while he was riding them in battle. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I just to interrupt. That sounds like describing any eighteenth
Speaker 1: century Frenchman to me, I was a very celebrated personality,
Speaker 1: I think at the time, broad chested, having your horses
Speaker 1: blown up while you're riding them, lots of great stories
Speaker 1: about you know, the esprite de game classic frenchmen. Rob
Speaker 1: continues quote. He was an unashamed of his plebeian roots,
Speaker 1: but keen to provide himself with aristocratic forebears. He worshiped
Speaker 1: his commanding officer Muscar, and like him, wrote body songs
Speaker 1: and dragged a mistress around with him on all his campaigns.
Speaker 1: In a letter that Leopold wrote to Muscar, he wrote quote,
Speaker 1: I often pressed her to my breast, and through two
Speaker 1: pretty spheres, I feel the forces which move the world
Speaker 1: draw the curtain. Wow, so polished. We should put that
Speaker 1: in poetry corner. I know we should have like a
Speaker 1: letter letter writing desk. One of these letters, man, and
Speaker 1: you get more passionate than that I know, right, So
Speaker 1: it's just a real rough and ready type, you know.
Speaker 1: We we we get it now. After the revolution began
Speaker 1: and civil war engulfed the nation of France, Leopold nicknamed
Speaker 1: himself Brutus and he was part of the cleansing of Brittany,
Speaker 1: which was a region of France that was full of
Speaker 1: monarchist sympathizers. Of course, these were the people that were
Speaker 1: getting ousted in this revolution exactly. Graham rob writes that
Speaker 1: Leopold quote presided over the massacre of entire villages, executed congregations, and,
Speaker 1: like many soldiers in similar circumstances, adopted an abandoned child.
Speaker 1: When his own children began to arrive, the orphan would
Speaker 1: be given away. And this part of the complicated legacy
Speaker 1: of the French Revolution. I mean, in all revolutions, but
Speaker 1: mess time. Yeah, this guy comes in, he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to oust the monarchy, and you're like, oh good,
Speaker 1: they're so oppressive. He's like, and then I'm gonna massacre
Speaker 1: entire villages of people, and you're like, oh, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: if that's what that was signing up for. And then
Speaker 1: some people were like, yes, exactly what I right, like
Speaker 1: and you're like, hey, you didn't know there were so
Speaker 1: many of you. Absolutely just so messy time. But that
Speaker 1: seems heartless, Like how cold to have adopted, like I
Speaker 1: can't even do it. I couldn't even do it with
Speaker 1: an animal like our dog. To adopt for a little
Speaker 1: while and then be like, well now I've got my
Speaker 1: own so you can go on. How terrible, awful, awful.
Speaker 1: And at the age of twenty two, in the winter
Speaker 1: of seventeen ninety, Leopold was in Chateaubriyon, a small town
Speaker 1: a few miles away from Brittany, and he was scouring
Speaker 1: the countryside for some renegade priests he was trying to
Speaker 1: track down on the job, and that's when he met
Speaker 1: quote a frail, dark eyed girl. Her name was Sophie Trebuche.
Speaker 1: Sophia Trebouche was the daughter of a cargo ship captain,
Speaker 1: but both her parents died before she was twelve years old,
Speaker 1: and she was taken in by her aunt, Crestwalls, and
Speaker 1: was living with her in Brittany when the revolution really
Speaker 1: kicked off in seventeen nine. Sophie did go to like
Speaker 1: revolutionary rallies and everything, but she kind of got some
Speaker 1: sympathy for the royalist cause because she witnessed the execution
Speaker 1: of a family friend and her two young children right
Speaker 1: during the reign of terror. That was not unusual, I guess,
Speaker 1: but but I guess it really hit her hard. You
Speaker 1: can imagine too, if you're young and you see that
Speaker 1: kind of activity happening, your your side has chosen for you, right,
Speaker 1: Like all you see is brutality against people you care about.
Speaker 1: I mean exactly, Yeah, if you've got real people in mind,
Speaker 1: everything comes very personal, especially if you have not been
Speaker 1: affected negatively by the existing oppression that was causing the
Speaker 1: revolution in the first place. True anyway, in sev she
Speaker 1: was living in Chateau Bolant at aunt France Uasa's country home,
Speaker 1: and when Sophie met this young, enthusiastically republican soldier crashing
Speaker 1: through the bushes looking for anti revolutionaries, She's like, okay,
Speaker 1: and she invited him to tea at her aunt's. Come
Speaker 1: with me to tea daring revolutionary. Maybe I could set
Speaker 1: aside the brutality as seemed conducted against my people. Sophie
Speaker 1: was very reserved. She was self controlled, a little bit secretive. Maybe,
Speaker 1: Victor Hugo wrote of his mother that she quote accustomed
Speaker 1: me from childhood to keep everything to myself and let
Speaker 1: nothing out. Now. She was also seventeen months older than
Speaker 1: Leopold and better educated than him. Of course, he abandoned
Speaker 1: his education to become a free wheel and soldier. Right,
Speaker 1: No surprise there, Graham, Rob writes, quote, a different creature
Speaker 1: altogether from his battle scarred mistress, and far more intimidating
Speaker 1: than a band of Breton peasants brandishing their pitchforks and axes.
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, she is a lady, and Leopold's
Speaker 1: courtship game was as rough as he was. Right, Not
Speaker 1: not Mr Smooth, not Monsieur smooth. Here, Rob writs quote.
Speaker 1: He showed off his shattered foot, his uniform with its
Speaker 1: seventeen bullet holes, and recited his verse. Sophie seemed to
Speaker 1: have impressed him more than he impressed her. He goes up,
Speaker 1: pretty lady, check out my man good foot. What do
Speaker 1: you think? Text? Are you blood? She's like blood, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. I have a lot of bullet holes in
Speaker 1: my unifi. Don't you want to marry me? I almost
Speaker 1: die all the time. Let me read my poem about
Speaker 1: other women's breast So Sophie was a little bit hard
Speaker 1: for him to win over, and then Leopold was summoned
Speaker 1: back to Paris six months later and took a desk job.
Speaker 1: But he promised that I will write to you, my love.
Speaker 1: I'll write your beautiful poetry about your boobs. I am
Speaker 1: very serious about this relationship. She did finally join him
Speaker 1: in Paris in November of seventeen nine, but this is
Speaker 1: only to find out that he had cheated on her,
Speaker 1: mainly because he wrote quote a jovial letter to his
Speaker 1: commanding officer admitting to it, Dear Mosca, I got lid
Speaker 1: last night. Let me tell you everything, Rob writes in
Speaker 1: his New York Times article quote. Rather than face a
Speaker 1: humiliating return to her hometown, she married him without a
Speaker 1: priest on November fifteenth, sevent There had been talk of
Speaker 1: a dowry, but to the disappointment of Leopold, it turned
Speaker 1: out to consist mainly of bed linen. You get those
Speaker 1: details worked out right for you tell a woman you'll
Speaker 1: marry her and then go back to Paris, sleep with
Speaker 1: somebody else, then drag her across the country. I mean, seriously,
Speaker 1: come out. He kind of got what he deserved. I
Speaker 1: love that revealed to He's like, I'm ready for my
Speaker 1: dowry now, and she's like, okay, here is It's like,
Speaker 1: what the hell is this? Very fine sheets? They're okay.
Speaker 1: I guess I like Jersey myself. He's got a frat
Speaker 1: boy right. So Paris, of course is a real wild
Speaker 1: place at this point in history. This point in history,
Speaker 1: well it was only six months before Napoleon Bonaparte. Cool,
Speaker 1: that's wild. Rob writes that the city was quote more
Speaker 1: like a post revolution Zanzibar than modern Paris. The Tuilerie
Speaker 1: gardens had suffered the indignity of spades and potatoes. Statues
Speaker 1: had been toppled, the inscriptions of race employees of the
Speaker 1: Conseil de Geer occupied the Hotel de Vi renamed Maison
Speaker 1: Commune were the only intact decorations were the busts of
Speaker 1: revolutionary leaders not so pretty as yeah, that's crazy, the
Speaker 1: indignity of spain aids and potatoes. I know, I can space.
Speaker 1: They went and they dug up the gardens and then
Speaker 1: what they do plant potatoes? I mean yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it was like yeah, yeah. They were like I'm taking
Speaker 1: out your rose bushes and I'm putting in something that
Speaker 1: gonna eat. Huh exactly, you're using this land improperly, and
Speaker 1: in their off time, the revolutionaries like to hang out
Speaker 1: in the Jardin de Taline near the Champs rob writes
Speaker 1: that the jardin quote was an excuse for open air pornography,
Speaker 1: tableau vivant and women dressed as Sylphs disporting themselves in
Speaker 1: mid air attached to balloons. Excuse me, we simply do
Speaker 1: not party like we used to. Just gonna say, I'm now,
Speaker 1: I'm glad I canceled my birthday party because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: reschedule and I'm definitely getting I'm sorry. What was if
Speaker 1: women dressed as Sylphs disporting themselves mid air, attached to balloons?
Speaker 1: This is what I want birthday parties. This is the
Speaker 1: workers Rights and Protections have done. Is prevented this kind
Speaker 1: of nonsense. I'm not saying we make him do it
Speaker 1: without paying them. I'm just saying, you asked me what
Speaker 1: kind of decorations I wanted, and I didn't know until now.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll get a couple of barbies together balloon anyway.
Speaker 1: Major Leopold Brutus Hugo took his wife Sophie to the
Speaker 1: jardin one night. Seems like a great place for a dad,
Speaker 1: I guess, get her all worked up, and he ran
Speaker 1: into an old friend, Colonel Victor Laholly, the chief of
Speaker 1: staff for General Moreau. I gotta say at this point
Speaker 1: she knew what she was getting into with this guy.
Speaker 1: Even before this point, he was not suave enough to
Speaker 1: make him seem cooler than he was. You know, I
Speaker 1: felt like, when she came to Paris, she must have
Speaker 1: know what she's getting into. I think so. And I
Speaker 1: know she was well closed off, but like maybe she
Speaker 1: liked that about him. She was like, he drags me
Speaker 1: out to crazy ship and my life feels different. It's true,
Speaker 1: I mean, all right, Well, here is where the story
Speaker 1: gets a little bit of a bonus romance. General Moreau
Speaker 1: and his wife. Moreau was a celebrated general and helped
Speaker 1: bring Napoleon Bonaparte to power. As a reward, he was
Speaker 1: given command of the Army of the Rhine again, which
Speaker 1: had been taken away from him because he defended a
Speaker 1: friend who turned out to be a trader. But he
Speaker 1: also met a friend of Napoleon's first wife, and her
Speaker 1: name was Oceanie. Ocean he was nineteen, and she managed
Speaker 1: to wrap the general completely around her finger into Now.
Speaker 1: After they got married, she started to collect a bunch
Speaker 1: of friends who were all starting to sour on Napoleon Bonaparte.
Speaker 1: You know, if Bethy thinks he's stook, great, but he's
Speaker 1: not even that at all. And he's always got his
Speaker 1: hand in his shirt, and uh, you know, he's the
Speaker 1: three the three most boring flavors of ice cream together
Speaker 1: and uh the way, that's Neapolitan. Um, you know, Napoleon.
Speaker 1: We don't like Lord. But it was mostly because Napoleon
Speaker 1: had a lot of power and popularity, and the French
Speaker 1: were kind of sensitive to that right now, they didn't
Speaker 1: really love people with a lot of power and popularity,
Speaker 1: so they had right to be worried about what he had,
Speaker 1: as it turned out. So she found a lot of
Speaker 1: friends people who felt the same way, and they got
Speaker 1: together and called themselves Club Moreau. She's like, you've got
Speaker 1: to get down to Club Morrow, the hottest spot in
Speaker 1: seventeen ninety seven, and the body wants to hang out
Speaker 1: to Club Morrow. We have other cool things, tall people,
Speaker 1: people who don't put their hands in their shirts. We've
Speaker 1: got ladies hanging from balloons at the corner Club Morrow.
Speaker 1: It's where it's that. Well, it wasn't long before Club
Speaker 1: Moreau made plans to topple Napoleon and put Louis on
Speaker 1: the throne. Moreau was supposed to be one of the
Speaker 1: guys who would take charge once Napoleon and was assassinated.
Speaker 1: That was their plan. Take on Napoleon will put Moreau
Speaker 1: in charge. But Moreau turned against the scheme himself when
Speaker 1: he saw how completely disorganized they were. Well, they were
Speaker 1: so disorganized that eventually a bunch of the conspirators were
Speaker 1: seized and Moreau had to go strike a deal with
Speaker 1: Napoleon because obviously his name was tied to this the
Speaker 1: club was named after him, so didn't really sit well,
Speaker 1: and instead of being executed, Napoleon agreed that Moreau and
Speaker 1: his wife Jani could be exiled to America, which the torture. Um.
Speaker 1: But don't forget the Moreause. We will get back to
Speaker 1: the Hugos now, but we are going to see them
Speaker 1: arose again. Um. But let us take a quick commercial
Speaker 1: break and we'll hear more about Leopold and Silphi Hugo. Oh,
Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. Everyone, So where we had
Speaker 1: left off with the Hugos was that they had run
Speaker 1: in to leopold old friend Victor Lahari, and He's like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I got stuck at this desk job. What can you
Speaker 1: do to help me out? You're the cheapest staff with
Speaker 1: General Moreau. Can you put in a good word get
Speaker 1: me back on the field. I want to get back
Speaker 1: out there. So with his help, Leopold returned to active service,
Speaker 1: and this is when the family started moving around a lot.
Speaker 1: In sev Sophie gave birth to their first son, Able.
Speaker 1: Then they moved to Leopold's hometown of Gnumci, where she
Speaker 1: stayed with the Hugo family, and Leopold was in charge
Speaker 1: of invading Bavaria, and that brought him to the notice
Speaker 1: of Joseph Bonaparte, who is Napoleon's older brother, and he
Speaker 1: praised his quote courage, activity, and intelligence, so he was
Speaker 1: a good, good army guy. I guess Sophie also met
Speaker 1: Joseph Bonaparte at that time, but she's a little preoccupied
Speaker 1: because she was pregnant again with their second son, and
Speaker 1: in eighteen hundred, Usien Hugo was born. Very soon after that,
Speaker 1: the family moved to Luon v and we're there in
Speaker 1: February of eighteen o one when the treaty was signed
Speaker 1: that consolidated Napoleon's empie. We're living in Bonaparte, France, and
Speaker 1: our boy, Victor Marie Hugo was also conceived in lun Via.
Speaker 1: This seems like a private piece of information. We only
Speaker 1: know this because his father, Leopold wrote him a letter
Speaker 1: in eight saying he was created quote almost in mid air,
Speaker 1: on one of the highest peaks of the Voge mountains,
Speaker 1: and that this elevated origin seems to have had effects
Speaker 1: on you, so that your muse is now continually sublime. Wow. Well, actually,
Speaker 1: my boy, the reason you're so smart is because your
Speaker 1: mother on the top of a mountain, and that's how
Speaker 1: you got where you want. That is, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: not a conversation I've had with my parents, and not
Speaker 1: one I need keep it to yourself. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: a Graham. Rob thinks Leopold was probably just trying to
Speaker 1: take some credit for his son's writing, because he was
Speaker 1: very famous by this time, But he also thought it
Speaker 1: was quote a poor substitute for the army or the
Speaker 1: civil service. Yeah. The date on which Victor was supposedly
Speaker 1: conceived on a mountaintop was the twenty four of June
Speaker 1: eighteen oh one. And fun fact, that is Jean val
Speaker 1: John's prisoner number and lames up one and it's because
Speaker 1: that's the date of his conception. And in the mid
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties a museum curator actually put a plaque there
Speaker 1: pronouncing it as the place where a Victor Hugo is
Speaker 1: conceived as a practical joke, but it's still there today.
Speaker 1: You can go climb the Voges Mountains and find it
Speaker 1: for yourself. I know, right, I mean it's a point
Speaker 1: of interest. Being exhausted halfway up the hag could be like, no,
Speaker 1: damn it, I gotta get to where Victor Hugo's parents bucked.
Speaker 1: Maybe people go there and like they're like, I want
Speaker 1: to leave a genius And they climb the mountains and
Speaker 1: how many where Victor hero was conceived? But the air
Speaker 1: is so thin. You know that's got a affect your development, right,
Speaker 1: they all passed out. They just take a little nap. Now.
Speaker 1: Victor Hugo himself preferred to tell people that he was
Speaker 1: conceived on Mont Blanc in the album because it was
Speaker 1: more famous. Three thousand feet higher, and it's at the
Speaker 1: intersection of France, Italy and Switzerland. Made it kind of
Speaker 1: like an international man of mystery bloke. I wonder if
Speaker 1: that's why they named the pens that, or rather, you
Speaker 1: know what, mont Blanc, here's an ad for you. Pens
Speaker 1: named after the mountain where Victor Hugo was conceived. So
Speaker 1: if you want to write Victor Hugo, if you want
Speaker 1: to have sex like Leopold's and Sophie Trebuche, then by
Speaker 1: a month Blanck, this is a clinky. At tonight they're
Speaker 1: going to send us a box of free pens. That's
Speaker 1: how podcasting works. I hear one of these days someone
Speaker 1: that we talked about is going to send us a
Speaker 1: free something. I can't wait. Victor was supposed to be
Speaker 1: a girl named Victorine Marie or they were hoping for
Speaker 1: a girl anyway. Their name was planned Victorine after Leopold's
Speaker 1: friend Victor Laharrie, and Marie after some other family friend
Speaker 1: who we won't go into here. But his mother described
Speaker 1: Victor as quote no longer than a knife when he
Speaker 1: was born, So Graham rob speculates that he was probably
Speaker 1: premature in his own autobiographical poems. Victor Hugo talks about
Speaker 1: being weak and sickly and says that a double order
Speaker 1: was placed with the woodmaker for both coffin and cradle,
Speaker 1: really hedging their bets there. But only six weeks after
Speaker 1: he was born, the entire Hugo family left for Marseilles
Speaker 1: because Leopold Hugo had accused his commanding officer of embezzlement
Speaker 1: and slanderous accusations started being made about Leopold. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: in a lot of trouble. Yeah, So in November two
Speaker 1: he whisked the family off to Marseilles, and then he
Speaker 1: sent Sophie to Paris to plead his case with Joseph
Speaker 1: Bonaparte and Victor Lahary while he continued with his army duties.
Speaker 1: He yeah, I made a bit of a mess. Why
Speaker 1: don't you go to Paris and for me? Now, this
Speaker 1: began a period of separation between Sophie and Leopold. He
Speaker 1: set sail for Corsica with his three sons in tow
Speaker 1: to fight the Brits. So hopefully the babies were like
Speaker 1: far away or heavily armored, got a real iron cradle
Speaker 1: and creatle well Sophie stayed in Paris because she had
Speaker 1: some things she was doing, which bring with us to
Speaker 1: our first side. And guess what it was, Victor Lahari what?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Sophie started lahing it up in Paris with
Speaker 1: her husband's bestie. But she just went there to help
Speaker 1: plead his case to this guy. Well, she was pluding
Speaker 1: this case, all right, And Graham Rob says that without her,
Speaker 1: the living conditions for all the Hugoes got pretty dismal.
Speaker 1: Um In June three, they were living on the tiny
Speaker 1: island of Elba. Graham Rob writes, quote, the major felt abandoned.
Speaker 1: He freely admitted that he did not make a good mother,
Speaker 1: He barely made a good husband. You know. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm in the army, y'all, I'm supposed to be out
Speaker 1: here whiling it up, like I can't be rocking a
Speaker 1: baby around souse. And Sophie wasn't answering his letters, which
Speaker 1: makes her sound pretty heartless because she's like doing it
Speaker 1: with his bestie and I answering his letters. But Rob clarifies, quote,
Speaker 1: the bottom line of all his letters is that he
Speaker 1: was desperate for sex. In his view, Sophie had been
Speaker 1: given fair warning now he was hanging onto fidelity by
Speaker 1: his fingertips. He apparently wrote in one letter quote, do
Speaker 1: you think that at my age and with my character,
Speaker 1: it's a good idea to leave me to my own devices? Well?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know he's not wrong. I mean true.
Speaker 1: It's like, look, I'm a piece of ship, the one
Speaker 1: they wanted me going to say, you know it, I
Speaker 1: know it. I'm going to get into some drama Jee
Speaker 1: had done you before we ever got married. But he
Speaker 1: also told her that the women in Elba quote had
Speaker 1: a habit of stabbing their lovers to death, and that
Speaker 1: there was a guarantee of STDs. So he's basically right
Speaker 1: into her being like, honey, if you don't fuck me,
Speaker 1: I'm going to cheat on you with someone who would
Speaker 1: give me syphilis and then stab me through the heart.
Speaker 1: What you don't want that on your conscience? Wow? Wow? Um?
Speaker 1: But isn't she like off doing some for him? Technically
Speaker 1: as far as he knows, as far as he knows, yes,
Speaker 1: she want to drop his case and come and get
Speaker 1: on a boat, come down there and do not. Unbelievable,
Speaker 1: I do not. I mean I know what he's really saying,
Speaker 1: and he's just setting himself up with a defense later.
Speaker 1: Oh exactly, Graham rob writes that exact thing. He says, quote,
Speaker 1: it was clear the marriage was over. By insisting on
Speaker 1: his impressive desires, the expert in self justification was writing
Speaker 1: out his absolution and advantage. He just wanted to be like,
Speaker 1: it's your fault if I cheat on you because you're
Speaker 1: not here. But she's not there because he sent her away.
Speaker 1: So it's like, I mean, she's definitely doing her own things.
Speaker 1: Sure she's not a saint in the story, but like,
Speaker 1: come on, bro. But finally Sophie did respond to these letters.
Speaker 1: She had worked out his dispute and secured his future
Speaker 1: in the army thanks to La Hare. I wonder why
Speaker 1: he felt like, you know, I'm a favor. She's like
Speaker 1: a's raided some favors called a few strings, you could say,
Speaker 1: the strings of my garters. I was thinking the string
Speaker 1: was his dick, But yeah, that works too. Her corset
Speaker 1: strings taken off her dress. That's classier than what I said. Okay.
Speaker 1: She left Paris and she joined him and her children
Speaker 1: in Elba in July eighth three, but only four months
Speaker 1: later she went back to Paris. This time she took
Speaker 1: her three sons with her, leaving Leopold behind. Now things
Speaker 1: get a little weird here in the record. Sophie's story
Speaker 1: is that during those four months she was in Elba,
Speaker 1: she discovered that Leopold was keeping a mistress whom she
Speaker 1: called quote an English concubine. And that brings us to
Speaker 1: our second side. Excuse me. Katherine Thomas was the daughter
Speaker 1: of a hospital employee, ten years younger than Leopold. Childless
Speaker 1: and exciting. Sophie said that basically as soon as she
Speaker 1: arrived in Elba, Leopold started telling her that the British
Speaker 1: are coming. They basically already here already. Baby. You know
Speaker 1: battle is gonna break out at any moment. You better
Speaker 1: take these kids and head back to Paris right away. Well,
Speaker 1: you better go for your own safety. It's important. And
Speaker 1: don't look under the bed, you know, or the wardrobe.
Speaker 1: I don't know where she went. I mean, who's she
Speaker 1: the British. I don't know where the British. They might
Speaker 1: be in the closet to look. How about you just
Speaker 1: take the kids on your goal, Oh lord, which Sophie did.
Speaker 1: She said she suspected nothing at the time, but Leopold
Speaker 1: sent her away so he could indulge his quote unbridled passions.
Speaker 1: Graham Rob also writes that Katherine Thomas was quote probably
Speaker 1: the model for the transvestite soldier and Leopold's conventionally melodramatic
Speaker 1: novel that he wrote in retirement. So Leopold wrote a
Speaker 1: novel after he retired that has a transvestite soldier in it. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: speculation station. What if Sophie shows up right and she's like, hey, baby,
Speaker 1: I'm here, and he's like, oh ship Katherine. She finds
Speaker 1: out about us, it's going to be a big problem.
Speaker 1: So she starts dressing up like a man so we
Speaker 1: can hang out. Sophie's there for those four months. She's
Speaker 1: like his best friend on an army. So she's in
Speaker 1: his room and Sophie comes, hello, I'm I've come to
Speaker 1: see on my husband, and he's like, quick, put my
Speaker 1: my uniform on exactly. Hello, I'm just the artist your husband.
Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm a French un some reason revolution sure,
Speaker 1: I love it. I love that version of let's say
Speaker 1: that happened. But Graham Rob also thinks that Sophie was
Speaker 1: messing with the record on this one. Because all of
Speaker 1: that story came from her eventual divorce petition, But he
Speaker 1: writes quote subsequent letters from the major suggests that he
Speaker 1: had tried one last time to stir up some passion
Speaker 1: in his wife. He missed his son's, and it was
Speaker 1: probably only later that he attached himself to Katherine Thomas.
Speaker 1: Sophie's petition dates from a time when she was busy
Speaker 1: constructing the legend of a royalist Amazon manacled to a
Speaker 1: Republican vandal, which her son's inevitably accepted as the truth.
Speaker 1: The only certainty is that when Victor Hugo arrived in
Speaker 1: Paris at the age of one in three quarters, his
Speaker 1: parents had begun the long and painful separation which continued
Speaker 1: throughout his childhood and dragged him on a tour of
Speaker 1: Napoleon's empire. The single most important fact of Victor Hugo's
Speaker 1: formative years is that his advent coincided with the collapse
Speaker 1: of his parents marriage. Oh wow, So if things hadn't
Speaker 1: been fallen apart, he wouldn't have been so like experienced
Speaker 1: and educated and worldly. Maybe not points that helped him
Speaker 1: write these novels. And I mean he you know, he's
Speaker 1: seeing to to cheating parties, fighting over you know, each
Speaker 1: over their kids and over each other and over stuff
Speaker 1: but whatever for many years. So that certainly must have
Speaker 1: informed his ideas about love and marriage. Yeah, he's probably
Speaker 1: like my my, my, my mother is like like a
Speaker 1: hunched back person ringing a bell in a tower, and
Speaker 1: me and my brothers are we singing gargoyles? Uh the
Speaker 1: narrator's a clown. I don't know, uh, something like that.
Speaker 1: That's only I read the book a long time ago,
Speaker 1: but I've definitely seen the Disney movie more recently. Well,
Speaker 1: that's so cool about I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's cool or not, but it is interesting to learn
Speaker 1: how this all led to Victor Hugo being who we
Speaker 1: know and love today. Interesting. Well, there's a lot more
Speaker 1: to learn about these two, and we will do that
Speaker 1: right after this break. Beyond a new to the show,
Speaker 1: I guess I should learn those words to. The thing is,
Speaker 1: we've done French episodes before, and we've had this exact
Speaker 1: stumbling block. Were not looked it up already? Look, welcome
Speaker 1: back in French contentoir. It's got to be better than that.
Speaker 1: What happy to have have you return? Happy to see
Speaker 1: you again, what is it? Con con I did it? There?
Speaker 1: You go? You could? You can skip your due lingo
Speaker 1: for the day, everybody, because you learned you need to
Speaker 1: know right here. Well, Sophie went to Elba or whatever
Speaker 1: happened on there happened, and she picked up her kids
Speaker 1: and went right back to Paris and Victor Lahari, who
Speaker 1: she decided to help hide from the government because he
Speaker 1: had been a part of the Moreau conspiracy. Remember a
Speaker 1: club Moreau, Yeah, bonus romance. But like Moreau, he had
Speaker 1: avoided execution and he was instead sentenced to be exiled
Speaker 1: in America. But unlike Moreau, Victor refused to go. He's like,
Speaker 1: I've heard what they do to their chocolate over there.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be a part of it. So
Speaker 1: Sophie settled in an old convent and she hid Lahari
Speaker 1: in the chapel. Oh my god, this is the hunchback.
Speaker 1: Victor Lahari was the hunchback. Coming together now. Then at
Speaker 1: one point she took her kids to Naples to visit Leopold,
Speaker 1: but he didn't want her there. He thought that she
Speaker 1: would uncover his affair with Catherine, who, by now even
Speaker 1: by Graham Rob's estimate he had been living with for
Speaker 1: about two years, right, so she only stayed for a day.
Speaker 1: But you know what, that's okay for Sophie. She's living
Speaker 1: with her man too. Of course, the kids all discovered
Speaker 1: Lahari living there in the chapel, so he started calling
Speaker 1: himself Monsieur de la Courlande, and he basically became like
Speaker 1: a second father to all the Hugo boys. In fact,
Speaker 1: there's some speculation among scholars that Victor la Horri is
Speaker 1: Victor Hugo's real father, but it doesn't really make a
Speaker 1: lot of sense, considering that when she was living near
Speaker 1: him in Paris, she was pregnant with Ojen, their second son,
Speaker 1: and when she came back to Paris and saw him again, Victor,
Speaker 1: their third son, was already born. So the conception, yeah.
Speaker 1: Where Then in eighteen ten, Victor Lahorie was betrayed and
Speaker 1: arrested in front of Sophie and her kids, and that
Speaker 1: might be why they decided to go visit Leopold in Madrid,
Speaker 1: and they braved a dangerous journey through war torn country.
Speaker 1: But there was one little problem. Leopold was actually living
Speaker 1: in Guadalajara with Catherine, and he didn't know they were coming.
Speaker 1: Sophie had failed to alert him, or maybe she sent
Speaker 1: him a letter to the wrong address, because you know,
Speaker 1: he was off somewhere. Because Leopold's doing great in Spain.
Speaker 1: His old friend Joseph Bonaparte is now the King of
Speaker 1: Spain and had made him a count. Leopold was helopass
Speaker 1: that Sophie was showing up, interrupting his time with his mistress,
Speaker 1: traveling through war torn areas with their kids not talking
Speaker 1: to him. First, you know, he was mad about her.
Speaker 1: She's Lafe, you really cramping my style out here. So
Speaker 1: he decided to seek a divorce, and he also got
Speaker 1: a custody of the kids. All three boys went to
Speaker 1: a boarding school in Madrid called College of Nobles, but
Speaker 1: Sophie went to Joseph Bonaparte for help, and he actually
Speaker 1: got them to kiss and make up for a while.
Speaker 1: I guess because the king you're probably just like for
Speaker 1: you anything. But it wasn't too long before Leopold somehow
Speaker 1: learned that Sophie and Lahari had been playing by gets
Speaker 1: Man years together, and that the only thing she wanted
Speaker 1: to do was to get back to Paris so that
Speaker 1: she could find out if he was okay, and that
Speaker 1: pretty much, you know that to care of the vibe
Speaker 1: between them, things were done at that point. No more
Speaker 1: reconciliation for it. And not only that, but Sophie received
Speaker 1: a mysterious envelope from Paris with four thousand, seven hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty francs inside. She was positive it was from
Speaker 1: Victor Laharri and that she needed to get back to
Speaker 1: him as soon as possible, so she said goodbye, Leopold.
Speaker 1: She tagged along with a military escort and that saved
Speaker 1: her all the trouble of the dangerous journey through war
Speaker 1: torn Spain, and once again she was back home in Paris,
Speaker 1: and she visited Victor Laharye in prison regularly, that is
Speaker 1: until October eighteen twelve. This guy named Claude Francois de
Speaker 1: Male had become disillusioned with Napoleon Bonaparte years before. He
Speaker 1: had spent some time in prison for conspiring against him
Speaker 1: and like he was a royalist, but also he was
Speaker 1: just mad because Napoleon killed his brother. Okay, it's very
Speaker 1: personal for him. But in eighteen twelve his wife convinced
Speaker 1: the authorities to let him retire to a sanatorium for
Speaker 1: his health and While he was there, he met some
Speaker 1: Bourbons who were trying to get Louis the eighteenth on
Speaker 1: the throne. Well, they really wanted Louis the eighteenth on
Speaker 1: the fan. They were sick to death of Napoleon. We
Speaker 1: need a Louis. There's like maybe three out of sixteen
Speaker 1: Louis were bad. The most of the Louis so good
Speaker 1: with the bathwater, with the bathwater. So even though Malay
Speaker 1: was more of a republican than he was a Royalist,
Speaker 1: he still started plotting with them to overthrow Napoleon because
Speaker 1: he was just like, whatever, anyone who wants to play,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to play. I hate this guy. An opportunity
Speaker 1: struck in eighteen twelve because Napoleon is freezing his dairy
Speaker 1: air off trying to invade Russia, so he's not in Paris.
Speaker 1: So at four am on October three, Malay put on
Speaker 1: a general's uniform he escaped the sanatorium. He walked up
Speaker 1: to a colonel of the French National Guard named Gabriel
Speaker 1: Sulier and informed him that Napoleon Bonaparte had died in Russia.
Speaker 1: What yep a costume. Mala also told Sulier that the
Speaker 1: entire Bonaparte family had been deposed by the Senate and
Speaker 1: Malay was in charge. Now I can't believe we fell
Speaker 1: for it. But did he call himself Malay or was
Speaker 1: he just like giving orders that like something. I don't know,
Speaker 1: some guy Nam Malay is in charged. Now you'll have
Speaker 1: to find him. I think that he was like, it's me,
Speaker 1: I'm in charge. Wow, that's even like the Senate said,
Speaker 1: I'm in charge now everybody, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: even want to be It's going to be cool. Sorry,
Speaker 1: my favorite branch doing now. Yeah, it seems like so
Speaker 1: far fetched. Who would fall for this? But he did
Speaker 1: have a bunch of forged documents to prove it, including
Speaker 1: a really nice one that promoted Gabriel Sullier to a general.
Speaker 1: So Sullia had no questions after that. He just did
Speaker 1: whatever Mala told him to do. And one of the
Speaker 1: things that he had to do for mal A was
Speaker 1: go to the prison and release several people, including Victor Lahori.
Speaker 1: Since everyone Malle released was a Republican, they all agreed
Speaker 1: to join his coup against Napoleon, and Lahore was made
Speaker 1: the Minister of Amazing. Then Malay went to another general's
Speaker 1: house who was in charge of the Paris garrison, and
Speaker 1: told him you are relieved of duty, and the guy
Speaker 1: questioned him, Somlee shot him in the jaw out. Then
Speaker 1: Malay went across the street to the military headquarters to
Speaker 1: tell them it turns out Napoleon is dead. I just
Speaker 1: got the word. Everything is different now I'm in charge.
Speaker 1: Funny story, but the senior official on duty, Colonel Pierre
Speaker 1: do Sit, was suspicious right away because all Malay's documents
Speaker 1: said that Napoleon had died on November seven, but Pierre
Speaker 1: had letters written by Napoleon after that date, so he
Speaker 1: played it cool. He was like, oh, yeah, yeah, Napoleon's
Speaker 1: dead on the seventh, thought, oh that's so crazy. Oh well,
Speaker 1: it's great to know you're the guy in charge now.
Speaker 1: You seem like you really got it together. I really
Speaker 1: think you're the man to listen to now. And mal
Speaker 1: A probably sent his guys off to arrest and bore
Speaker 1: of Napoleon's friends, and as soon as Pierre was alone
Speaker 1: with Mam l A, he was like, I got you.
Speaker 1: You're full of she You're full of there, and I'm
Speaker 1: arresting you. He overpowered him and arrested him and everyone
Speaker 1: that Malay had arrested was freed, and everyone that had
Speaker 1: been freed was re arrested again, including Victor Lahorie and
Speaker 1: Gabriel Soulier, and they were executed on October twenty nine
Speaker 1: of eighteen twelve. Oh and guess who else was involved
Speaker 1: in all this? Our old friend General Morrow of Club
Speaker 1: Morrow fame. Remember he was exiled to America that at
Speaker 1: the instigation of his wife Jennie. He had returned to
Speaker 1: Europe in eighteen twelve and he was advising the Swedish
Speaker 1: king and the armies who were fighting Napoleon. He was
Speaker 1: not in Paris for the coup though, so he wasn't
Speaker 1: arrested during all this. He actually died on the battlefield
Speaker 1: in eighteen thirteen while he was talking to Tsar Alexander. Yeah, whoops.
Speaker 1: Apparently Zar Alexander wanted his command Borrow's command, and his
Speaker 1: advisors had to be like, no, bro, you're the CSAR,
Speaker 1: Like you can't do that, and they had to really
Speaker 1: beg him not to do it. Um And after Moreau
Speaker 1: got shot down right next to him, he turned to
Speaker 1: his advisor and was like, God, was of your opinion? Wow,
Speaker 1: he's got blood splattered all over his face, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I really dodged a bullet there, didn't everybody? Oh I'll
Speaker 1: be forever. So poor Sophie her Man was dead. Now sucks.
Speaker 1: And a year later Leopold came back to Paris, now
Speaker 1: a general himself with Catherine Thomas, so he's ready to
Speaker 1: flaunt her about. And he also stopped paying Sophie's rent,
Speaker 1: so she left Ugon and Victor with some old family friends,
Speaker 1: the foosh Shares, and took the oldest able with her
Speaker 1: to figure out what he is up to. And she's like,
Speaker 1: come on, need to start paying my rent again, Let's
Speaker 1: get this together. Instead, Leopold asked for a divorce on
Speaker 1: the grounds of adultery. Oh so they didn't end up
Speaker 1: getting divorced back in Spain. No, Joseph had reconciled them,
Speaker 1: and even though it had got blown up, she had
Speaker 1: been in Paris, so yeah, so they you know, they're
Speaker 1: busy with other things. So now he's like, about that divorce,
Speaker 1: I want it, And he also wanted custody of the
Speaker 1: kids and put them all in a boarding school again,
Speaker 1: and Sophie went back to Paris, probably huffing off like
Speaker 1: oh that bastard, only to find her apartments sealed off
Speaker 1: for non payment, so she had to go to the
Speaker 1: food shares and be like, may I please stay with you?
Speaker 1: Did not like doing that. Impoverished, she was forced to
Speaker 1: find like a cheap place of her own, and she
Speaker 1: sued for divorce in eighteen fifteen, and that's when she
Speaker 1: started talking about finding out about this English concubine way
Speaker 1: before she ever slept victor, you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: She was trying to make herself look better in court
Speaker 1: more than rightly, and that's when she kind of started
Speaker 1: spinning her little story about being a royalist married to
Speaker 1: a Republican and it was like a really hard struggle
Speaker 1: for them. That's when she started telling the kids like,
Speaker 1: that's what's really tearing us apart kind of stuff. It's politics, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: nothing personal. But again, at least according to Graham Rob,
Speaker 1: that's not likely the real truth. Sophie's family, unlike many Breton's,
Speaker 1: had been all about the republic. Actually, he points out
Speaker 1: that her grandfather had worked with Jean Baptiste Carrier, the
Speaker 1: guy who basically kicked off the reign of terror, and
Speaker 1: Rob writs, quote distinguished himself by loading excess prisoners onto
Speaker 1: boats and sinking them in the Loire. Yeah, like four
Speaker 1: hundred people in a day, and stuff like he would
Speaker 1: just behave. He was like brutal. Carrier's mistress was Sophie's
Speaker 1: young aunt and best friend, Louise, And when Sophie and
Speaker 1: aunt Francoise left for Chateaubrian faithfully putting her in Leopold's path.
Speaker 1: Rob writs quote, they were not fleeing f Republican troops,
Speaker 1: but from their fellow Breton's, those who were appalled by
Speaker 1: Carrier's brutality, or those whose festering bodies were spreading disease
Speaker 1: piled up in open graves, to which Sophie's grandfather had
Speaker 1: contributed in his capacity as public prosecutor in nut Who. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't have a lot of royalist cred. No. Now,
Speaker 1: Victor and his brothers were not baptized, which meant that
Speaker 1: she wasn't a fervent Catholic. And while Victor Laharie had
Speaker 1: plotted to restore the Bourbon king, he had been more
Speaker 1: of a Republican than a Royalist himself. Graham rob Chuck's
Speaker 1: Victor Hugo's misrepresentation of his family history quote to his
Speaker 1: mother's silence and his father's love of stories in which
Speaker 1: he was the hero. More than that, it reflects the
Speaker 1: battle lines drawn up by his parents as their marriage
Speaker 1: fell apart from the very beginning, the idea of a
Speaker 1: royalist mother and a republican father was highly acceptable because
Speaker 1: it suggests that historical forces, and not Victor Hugo himself,
Speaker 1: were responsible for his parents incompatibility. M He was like,
Speaker 1: my fault that you're divorced, right, Okay, of course, of course,
Speaker 1: of course. Yeah, that's kind of sad. He's trying to
Speaker 1: absolve himself of something that certain he was a baby,
Speaker 1: This certainly wasn't his fault. Sophie and Leopold's divorce was
Speaker 1: finalized in eighteen eighteen. Took a long time to get
Speaker 1: divorced back then, and Sophie got custody of her kids
Speaker 1: back although by now Abel was twenty years old, Uge
Speaker 1: is eighteen and Victor is sixteen, and it already received
Speaker 1: an honorable mention in a poetry contest. Oh wow, this
Speaker 1: gets going place. Yeah, people are already like, what's blowing
Speaker 1: out of here? And that made Sophie actually decided to
Speaker 1: explore her own artistic talents, and she began painting, and
Speaker 1: there are some paintings by Sophie Trebuche out there. And
Speaker 1: they spent a lot of time with their friends, the
Speaker 1: food Shares, and soon Sophie discovered that Victor had fallen
Speaker 1: in love and got secretly engaged to the daughter of
Speaker 1: the house, his childhood friend Adele food Share. But Sophie
Speaker 1: did not approve. She thought Victor could do better. So
Speaker 1: she's like now and he was like, yes, what kind
Speaker 1: of went back and forth for aact? You get him
Speaker 1: here on ridiculous romance, everybody's years of acting training and
Speaker 1: just a brilliant character work being done. Look here in
Speaker 1: the studio. I know, I know it's hard to do.
Speaker 1: In the moment, you give it to us again, She
Speaker 1: said no, and he said yes, I feel like I'm there.
Speaker 1: But I don't think they fought a lot about Like,
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't like marry her out of hand
Speaker 1: or something. He just was like, it just is what
Speaker 1: it is. And she was like, I'm just gonna grumble
Speaker 1: about it, you know, kind of vibes. Two years later,
Speaker 1: after catching cold while ending her garden and falling ill,
Speaker 1: Sophie Trebuche died in June eighty one. Only a month later,
Speaker 1: Leopold married Catherine Thomas, who became Countess de Silcano. Which
Speaker 1: is funny. I don't why didn't he marry her after
Speaker 1: he got divorced. He could have done it in eighteen eighteen,
Speaker 1: well only a month later. Maybe they were already making
Speaker 1: plans and it just took a while, I know, But
Speaker 1: their divorce was finalized in eighteen eighteen. That was three
Speaker 1: years before. Look, something tells me Leopold wasn't exactly rushing
Speaker 1: into commitment again, you know, but maybe he thought it
Speaker 1: would like Sophie would not. He was like, I won't
Speaker 1: marry you. I don't know, but he ended up marrying her.
Speaker 1: She's a countess. Now, good for you girl. Side Peace
Speaker 1: Gottess and Victor reconciled with his father, but later in
Speaker 1: his life he did move his mother's remains to Pair
Speaker 1: La Chaise, where she is buried as Countess Hugo Plase
Speaker 1: Honeymoon Alert. I know, right, everybody's in parent shades. Everybody's there.
Speaker 1: We have to go back. I keep saying this every
Speaker 1: time it comes up. We didn't know about any of
Speaker 1: this when we went. We were completely just strolled on
Speaker 1: by Jim Morrisons ball Zack. I think Victor Hugo himself like,
Speaker 1: we knew the big names, right we went to the
Speaker 1: Big East. Yes, but yeah, so that's their ridiculous romance.
Speaker 1: I love it. It's like when we started with Ann
Speaker 1: Bonnie and Calico Jack and found out that her parents
Speaker 1: had an insane story of their own, but we haven't tell.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah they'll spoons. Oh my god, lifetime ago. Um.
Speaker 1: But yes, thank you to Jinny and to uh Cassandra.
Speaker 1: We're sending in Victor Hugo so that we would be like,
Speaker 1: let's get our asses in gear, do Victor Hugo because
Speaker 1: this was such a fun story and a lot of
Speaker 1: little bits of French revolutionary history that I didn't know
Speaker 1: much about. Little cups and you know, little fires that
Speaker 1: pop up when you're changing a government, complete way of life.
Speaker 1: This is a messy process. Yeah, and how like you're like, oh, good,
Speaker 1: we got the bad thing out, we will place it
Speaker 1: with a perfectly good thing. Wait a minute, a minute,
Speaker 1: this thing ain't so good. Are often just the same thing,
Speaker 1: you know, same kind of structures, but not really, I
Speaker 1: mean different people, but same structures. Though it doesn't really
Speaker 1: have any of a different outcome. I don't know, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, but yes, I really enjoyed diving into some
Speaker 1: French revolutionary shenanigans and uh, these two's hot messes, really
Speaker 1: ridiculous lives. I mean well, and poor Sophie her Man
Speaker 1: got scooped up. I know he had a cause and
Speaker 1: he went for it, you know, And that's the rich,
Speaker 1: very true, that's the risk, that's very true. You did
Speaker 1: a good job. We hope you enjoyed it as much
Speaker 1: as we did. Definitely, please reach out. We always love
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