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Speaker 1: Well, welcome back to the show. Everybody. We are super

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Speaker 1: happy to have you as always. Yeah, it's a very

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Speaker 1: exciting time here in December. Jingle bells are ringing, Hanukah

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Speaker 1: candles will be lit there we go, okay, and also

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Speaker 1: quansa candles I suppose, oh yeah, sure, and Solstice candles.

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Speaker 1: Solstice candles probably, Oh wait, no, don't the solstice. The

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Speaker 1: solstice celebration is where you balance an egg, right, it

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Speaker 1: Well you heard that. I've never heard of that. Oh

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Speaker 1: it was it was always that on the solstice you

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Speaker 1: egg or podcasters. Every time somebody sees me holding an egg,

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Speaker 1: well the truth is funny. Speaking of eggs. Oh, speaking

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Speaker 1: I'm still sick. I'm blaming the loopiness. Blame the loopiness

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Speaker 1: on the fruity loopiness on. No, we actually do have

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Speaker 1: an episode. We're not just gonna go off forever. Victor Hugo.

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Speaker 1: You've heard of Victor Hugo, I'm imagine. He is one

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Speaker 1: of France's finest, most famous authors. He wrote Lame as

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Speaker 1: Rob and The Hunchback of Notre Dame. And he was

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Speaker 1: actually suggested to us a while back by Jenny a

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Speaker 1: Are at the Perky goth on Instagram. Thank you, Jennie,

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Speaker 1: I know you have also given us several other really

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Speaker 1: good suggestions, so Jennie's always coming through. And then another listener,

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Speaker 1: Cassandra Card, sent us Victor Hugo as well, because his

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Speaker 1: insane sex drive has just been making the rounds on

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Speaker 1: because he was really fun to get into. But as

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Speaker 1: we were researching his life and his many, many, many

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Speaker 1: many loves, you know what happened. This has happened before

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Speaker 1: we got sidetracked because his parents had a very ridiculous

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Speaker 1: and their contentious divorce would combine to become some of

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Speaker 1: the most significant events in Victor's formative years. So let

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Speaker 1: us tell you about Victor Hugo's parents, Joseph Leopold Sig

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Speaker 1: Hugo and Sophie Bouche. Yeah, let's go pay their French

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Speaker 1: Come listen, Well, Elia and Diana got some stories to tell.

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Speaker 1: There's no matchmaking, a romantic tips. It's just about ridiculous relationships,

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Speaker 1: a lover. It might be any type of person at all,

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Speaker 1: and abstract cons adn't a concrete wall. But if there's

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Speaker 1: a story where the second clinch ridiculous Rolette a production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Joseph Leopold Hugo usually just called Leopold.

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Speaker 1: He was a well educated son of a wood merchant

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Speaker 1: pursue his studies to lead a more exciting and rowdy

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Speaker 1: army life. Classic. In his New York Times article called

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Speaker 1: Victor Hugo, Graham rob writes that Leopold was quote a short,

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Speaker 1: about you know, the esprite de game classic frenchmen. Rob

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Speaker 1: In a letter that Leopold wrote to Muscar, he wrote quote,

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Speaker 1: And at the age of twenty two, in the winter

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Speaker 1: No surprise there, Graham, Rob writes, quote, a different creature

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Speaker 1: But he promised that I will write to you, my love.

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Speaker 1: mid air attached to balloons. Excuse me, we simply do

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Speaker 1: reschedule and I'm definitely getting I'm sorry. What was if

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Speaker 1: workers Rights and Protections have done. Is prevented this kind

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Speaker 1: Major Leopold Brutus Hugo took his wife Sophie to the

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Speaker 1: jardin one night. Seems like a great place for a dad,

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Speaker 1: is that during those four months she was in Elba,

422
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Speaker 1: she discovered that Leopold was keeping a mistress whom she

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00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: called quote an English concubine. And that brings us to

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Speaker 1: our second side. Excuse me. Katherine Thomas was the daughter

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00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: of a hospital employee, ten years younger than Leopold. Childless

426
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: and exciting. Sophie said that basically as soon as she

427
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: arrived in Elba, Leopold started telling her that the British

428
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: are coming. They basically already here already. Baby. You know

429
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: battle is gonna break out at any moment. You better

430
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: take these kids and head back to Paris right away. Well,

431
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: you better go for your own safety. It's important. And

432
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: don't look under the bed, you know, or the wardrobe.

433
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: I don't know where she went. I mean, who's she

434
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: the British. I don't know where the British. They might

435
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: be in the closet to look. How about you just

436
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: take the kids on your goal, Oh lord, which Sophie did.

437
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: She said she suspected nothing at the time, but Leopold

438
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: sent her away so he could indulge his quote unbridled passions.

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00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: Graham Rob also writes that Katherine Thomas was quote probably

440
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: the model for the transvestite soldier and Leopold's conventionally melodramatic

441
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: novel that he wrote in retirement. So Leopold wrote a

442
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: novel after he retired that has a transvestite soldier in it. Yes, okay,

443
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: speculation station. What if Sophie shows up right and she's like, hey, baby,

444
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: I'm here, and he's like, oh ship Katherine. She finds

445
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: out about us, it's going to be a big problem.

446
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: So she starts dressing up like a man so we

447
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: can hang out. Sophie's there for those four months. She's

448
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: like his best friend on an army. So she's in

449
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: his room and Sophie comes, hello, I'm I've come to

450
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: see on my husband, and he's like, quick, put my

451
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: my uniform on exactly. Hello, I'm just the artist your husband.

452
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm a French un some reason revolution sure,

453
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: I love it. I love that version of let's say

454
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: that happened. But Graham Rob also thinks that Sophie was

455
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: messing with the record on this one. Because all of

456
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,239
Speaker 1: that story came from her eventual divorce petition, But he

457
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 1: writes quote subsequent letters from the major suggests that he

458
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: had tried one last time to stir up some passion

459
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: in his wife. He missed his son's, and it was

460
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: probably only later that he attached himself to Katherine Thomas.

461
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: Sophie's petition dates from a time when she was busy

462
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: constructing the legend of a royalist Amazon manacled to a

463
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: Republican vandal, which her son's inevitably accepted as the truth.

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00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: The only certainty is that when Victor Hugo arrived in

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00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: Paris at the age of one in three quarters, his

466
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: parents had begun the long and painful separation which continued

467
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: throughout his childhood and dragged him on a tour of

468
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: Napoleon's empire. The single most important fact of Victor Hugo's

469
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: formative years is that his advent coincided with the collapse

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00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: of his parents marriage. Oh wow, So if things hadn't

471
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: been fallen apart, he wouldn't have been so like experienced

472
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: and educated and worldly. Maybe not points that helped him

473
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: write these novels. And I mean he you know, he's

474
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: seeing to to cheating parties, fighting over you know, each

475
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: over their kids and over each other and over stuff

476
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: but whatever for many years. So that certainly must have

477
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: informed his ideas about love and marriage. Yeah, he's probably

478
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: like my my, my, my mother is like like a

479
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: hunched back person ringing a bell in a tower, and

480
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: me and my brothers are we singing gargoyles? Uh the

481
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: narrator's a clown. I don't know, uh, something like that.

482
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: That's only I read the book a long time ago,

483
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: but I've definitely seen the Disney movie more recently. Well,

484
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: that's so cool about I mean, I don't know if

485
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: it's cool or not, but it is interesting to learn

486
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: how this all led to Victor Hugo being who we

487
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: know and love today. Interesting. Well, there's a lot more

488
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: to learn about these two, and we will do that

489
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: right after this break. Beyond a new to the show,

490
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: I guess I should learn those words to. The thing is,

491
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: we've done French episodes before, and we've had this exact

492
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: stumbling block. Were not looked it up already? Look, welcome

493
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: back in French contentoir. It's got to be better than that.

494
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: What happy to have have you return? Happy to see

495
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: you again, what is it? Con con I did it? There?

496
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: You go? You could? You can skip your due lingo

497
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: for the day, everybody, because you learned you need to

498
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: know right here. Well, Sophie went to Elba or whatever

499
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: happened on there happened, and she picked up her kids

500
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: and went right back to Paris and Victor Lahari, who

501
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: she decided to help hide from the government because he

502
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: had been a part of the Moreau conspiracy. Remember a

503
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: club Moreau, Yeah, bonus romance. But like Moreau, he had

504
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: avoided execution and he was instead sentenced to be exiled

505
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: in America. But unlike Moreau, Victor refused to go. He's like,

506
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: I've heard what they do to their chocolate over there.

507
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be a part of it. So

508
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: Sophie settled in an old convent and she hid Lahari

509
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: in the chapel. Oh my god, this is the hunchback.

510
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: Victor Lahari was the hunchback. Coming together now. Then at

511
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: one point she took her kids to Naples to visit Leopold,

512
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: but he didn't want her there. He thought that she

513
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: would uncover his affair with Catherine, who, by now even

514
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: by Graham Rob's estimate he had been living with for

515
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: about two years, right, so she only stayed for a day.

516
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: But you know what, that's okay for Sophie. She's living

517
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: with her man too. Of course, the kids all discovered

518
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: Lahari living there in the chapel, so he started calling

519
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: himself Monsieur de la Courlande, and he basically became like

520
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: a second father to all the Hugo boys. In fact,

521
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: there's some speculation among scholars that Victor la Horri is

522
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: Victor Hugo's real father, but it doesn't really make a

523
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: lot of sense, considering that when she was living near

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00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: him in Paris, she was pregnant with Ojen, their second son,

525
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: and when she came back to Paris and saw him again, Victor,

526
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: their third son, was already born. So the conception, yeah.

527
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: Where Then in eighteen ten, Victor Lahorie was betrayed and

528
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: arrested in front of Sophie and her kids, and that

529
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: might be why they decided to go visit Leopold in Madrid,

530
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: and they braved a dangerous journey through war torn country.

531
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Speaker 1: But there was one little problem. Leopold was actually living

532
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: in Guadalajara with Catherine, and he didn't know they were coming.

533
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: Sophie had failed to alert him, or maybe she sent

534
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: him a letter to the wrong address, because you know,

535
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: he was off somewhere. Because Leopold's doing great in Spain.

536
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: His old friend Joseph Bonaparte is now the King of

537
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: Spain and had made him a count. Leopold was helopass

538
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: that Sophie was showing up, interrupting his time with his mistress,

539
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: traveling through war torn areas with their kids not talking

540
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: to him. First, you know, he was mad about her.

541
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: She's Lafe, you really cramping my style out here. So

542
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: he decided to seek a divorce, and he also got

543
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: a custody of the kids. All three boys went to

544
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: a boarding school in Madrid called College of Nobles, but

545
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 1: Sophie went to Joseph Bonaparte for help, and he actually

546
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: got them to kiss and make up for a while.

547
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: I guess because the king you're probably just like for

548
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: you anything. But it wasn't too long before Leopold somehow

549
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: learned that Sophie and Lahari had been playing by gets

550
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: Man years together, and that the only thing she wanted

551
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: to do was to get back to Paris so that

552
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: she could find out if he was okay, and that

553
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 1: pretty much, you know that to care of the vibe

554
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: between them, things were done at that point. No more

555
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: reconciliation for it. And not only that, but Sophie received

556
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: a mysterious envelope from Paris with four thousand, seven hundred

557
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: and fifty francs inside. She was positive it was from

558
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: Victor Laharri and that she needed to get back to

559
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: him as soon as possible, so she said goodbye, Leopold.

560
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: She tagged along with a military escort and that saved

561
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: her all the trouble of the dangerous journey through war

562
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 1: torn Spain, and once again she was back home in Paris,

563
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: and she visited Victor Laharye in prison regularly, that is

564
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: until October eighteen twelve. This guy named Claude Francois de

565
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: Male had become disillusioned with Napoleon Bonaparte years before. He

566
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: had spent some time in prison for conspiring against him

567
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: and like he was a royalist, but also he was

568
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: just mad because Napoleon killed his brother. Okay, it's very

569
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: personal for him. But in eighteen twelve his wife convinced

570
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: the authorities to let him retire to a sanatorium for

571
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: his health and While he was there, he met some

572
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: Bourbons who were trying to get Louis the eighteenth on

573
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: the throne. Well, they really wanted Louis the eighteenth on

574
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: the fan. They were sick to death of Napoleon. We

575
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: need a Louis. There's like maybe three out of sixteen

576
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: Louis were bad. The most of the Louis so good

577
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: with the bathwater, with the bathwater. So even though Malay

578
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: was more of a republican than he was a Royalist,

579
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: he still started plotting with them to overthrow Napoleon because

580
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: he was just like, whatever, anyone who wants to play,

581
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: I'm ready to play. I hate this guy. An opportunity

582
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: struck in eighteen twelve because Napoleon is freezing his dairy

583
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: air off trying to invade Russia, so he's not in Paris.

584
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: So at four am on October three, Malay put on

585
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: a general's uniform he escaped the sanatorium. He walked up

586
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: to a colonel of the French National Guard named Gabriel

587
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: Sulier and informed him that Napoleon Bonaparte had died in Russia.

588
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: What yep a costume. Mala also told Sulier that the

589
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: entire Bonaparte family had been deposed by the Senate and

590
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 1: Malay was in charge. Now I can't believe we fell

591
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: for it. But did he call himself Malay or was

592
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: he just like giving orders that like something. I don't know,

593
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: some guy Nam Malay is in charged. Now you'll have

594
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: to find him. I think that he was like, it's me,

595
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm in charge. Wow, that's even like the Senate said,

596
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: I'm in charge now everybody, I don't know. I don't

597
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: even want to be It's going to be cool. Sorry,

598
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: my favorite branch doing now. Yeah, it seems like so

599
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: far fetched. Who would fall for this? But he did

600
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: have a bunch of forged documents to prove it, including

601
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: a really nice one that promoted Gabriel Sullier to a general.

602
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: So Sullia had no questions after that. He just did

603
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: whatever Mala told him to do. And one of the

604
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: things that he had to do for mal A was

605
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: go to the prison and release several people, including Victor Lahori.

606
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: Since everyone Malle released was a Republican, they all agreed

607
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: to join his coup against Napoleon, and Lahore was made

608
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: the Minister of Amazing. Then Malay went to another general's

609
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: house who was in charge of the Paris garrison, and

610
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: told him you are relieved of duty, and the guy

611
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: questioned him, Somlee shot him in the jaw out. Then

612
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: Malay went across the street to the military headquarters to

613
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: tell them it turns out Napoleon is dead. I just

614
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: got the word. Everything is different now I'm in charge.

615
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: Funny story, but the senior official on duty, Colonel Pierre

616
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: do Sit, was suspicious right away because all Malay's documents

617
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: said that Napoleon had died on November seven, but Pierre

618
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: had letters written by Napoleon after that date, so he

619
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: played it cool. He was like, oh, yeah, yeah, Napoleon's

620
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: dead on the seventh, thought, oh that's so crazy. Oh well,

621
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: it's great to know you're the guy in charge now.

622
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: You seem like you really got it together. I really

623
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: think you're the man to listen to now. And mal

624
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: A probably sent his guys off to arrest and bore

625
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: of Napoleon's friends, and as soon as Pierre was alone

626
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: with Mam l A, he was like, I got you.

627
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: You're full of she You're full of there, and I'm

628
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: arresting you. He overpowered him and arrested him and everyone

629
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: that Malay had arrested was freed, and everyone that had

630
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: been freed was re arrested again, including Victor Lahorie and

631
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: Gabriel Soulier, and they were executed on October twenty nine

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Speaker 1: of eighteen twelve. Oh and guess who else was involved

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Speaker 1: in all this? Our old friend General Morrow of Club

634
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Speaker 1: Morrow fame. Remember he was exiled to America that at

635
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: the instigation of his wife Jennie. He had returned to

636
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: Europe in eighteen twelve and he was advising the Swedish

637
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: king and the armies who were fighting Napoleon. He was

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00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: not in Paris for the coup though, so he wasn't

639
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Speaker 1: arrested during all this. He actually died on the battlefield

640
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: in eighteen thirteen while he was talking to Tsar Alexander. Yeah, whoops.

641
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: Apparently Zar Alexander wanted his command Borrow's command, and his

642
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: advisors had to be like, no, bro, you're the CSAR,

643
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: Like you can't do that, and they had to really

644
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Speaker 1: beg him not to do it. Um And after Moreau

645
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: got shot down right next to him, he turned to

646
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Speaker 1: his advisor and was like, God, was of your opinion? Wow,

647
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: he's got blood splattered all over his face, and he's like, oh,

648
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: I really dodged a bullet there, didn't everybody? Oh I'll

649
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: be forever. So poor Sophie her Man was dead. Now sucks.

650
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: And a year later Leopold came back to Paris, now

651
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Speaker 1: a general himself with Catherine Thomas, so he's ready to

652
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: flaunt her about. And he also stopped paying Sophie's rent,

653
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: so she left Ugon and Victor with some old family friends,

654
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: the foosh Shares, and took the oldest able with her

655
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Speaker 1: to figure out what he is up to. And she's like,

656
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: come on, need to start paying my rent again, Let's

657
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: get this together. Instead, Leopold asked for a divorce on

658
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Speaker 1: the grounds of adultery. Oh so they didn't end up

659
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Speaker 1: getting divorced back in Spain. No, Joseph had reconciled them,

660
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: and even though it had got blown up, she had

661
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: been in Paris, so yeah, so they you know, they're

662
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: busy with other things. So now he's like, about that divorce,

663
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: I want it, And he also wanted custody of the

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Speaker 1: kids and put them all in a boarding school again,

665
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: and Sophie went back to Paris, probably huffing off like

666
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: oh that bastard, only to find her apartments sealed off

667
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: for non payment, so she had to go to the

668
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: food shares and be like, may I please stay with you?

669
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Speaker 1: Did not like doing that. Impoverished, she was forced to

670
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: find like a cheap place of her own, and she

671
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: sued for divorce in eighteen fifteen, and that's when she

672
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: started talking about finding out about this English concubine way

673
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: before she ever slept victor, you know, stuff like that.

674
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: She was trying to make herself look better in court

675
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: more than rightly, and that's when she kind of started

676
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: spinning her little story about being a royalist married to

677
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: a Republican and it was like a really hard struggle

678
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: for them. That's when she started telling the kids like,

679
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: that's what's really tearing us apart kind of stuff. It's politics, yeah, yeah,

680
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: nothing personal. But again, at least according to Graham Rob,

681
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: that's not likely the real truth. Sophie's family, unlike many Breton's,

682
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: had been all about the republic. Actually, he points out

683
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: that her grandfather had worked with Jean Baptiste Carrier, the

684
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: guy who basically kicked off the reign of terror, and

685
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: Rob writs, quote distinguished himself by loading excess prisoners onto

686
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Speaker 1: boats and sinking them in the Loire. Yeah, like four

687
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: hundred people in a day, and stuff like he would

688
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: just behave. He was like brutal. Carrier's mistress was Sophie's

689
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: young aunt and best friend, Louise, And when Sophie and

690
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: aunt Francoise left for Chateaubrian faithfully putting her in Leopold's path.

691
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: Rob writs quote, they were not fleeing f Republican troops,

692
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: but from their fellow Breton's, those who were appalled by

693
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: Carrier's brutality, or those whose festering bodies were spreading disease

694
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: piled up in open graves, to which Sophie's grandfather had

695
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: contributed in his capacity as public prosecutor in nut Who. Yeah,

696
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: they didn't have a lot of royalist cred. No. Now,

697
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: Victor and his brothers were not baptized, which meant that

698
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: she wasn't a fervent Catholic. And while Victor Laharie had

699
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: plotted to restore the Bourbon king, he had been more

700
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: of a Republican than a Royalist himself. Graham rob Chuck's

701
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: Victor Hugo's misrepresentation of his family history quote to his

702
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,959
Speaker 1: mother's silence and his father's love of stories in which

703
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: he was the hero. More than that, it reflects the

704
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: battle lines drawn up by his parents as their marriage

705
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: fell apart from the very beginning, the idea of a

706
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: royalist mother and a republican father was highly acceptable because

707
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: it suggests that historical forces, and not Victor Hugo himself,

708
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: were responsible for his parents incompatibility. M He was like,

709
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: my fault that you're divorced, right, Okay, of course, of course,

710
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: of course. Yeah, that's kind of sad. He's trying to

711
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: absolve himself of something that certain he was a baby,

712
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: This certainly wasn't his fault. Sophie and Leopold's divorce was

713
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: finalized in eighteen eighteen. Took a long time to get

714
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: divorced back then, and Sophie got custody of her kids

715
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: back although by now Abel was twenty years old, Uge

716
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: is eighteen and Victor is sixteen, and it already received

717
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: an honorable mention in a poetry contest. Oh wow, this

718
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: gets going place. Yeah, people are already like, what's blowing

719
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: out of here? And that made Sophie actually decided to

720
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: explore her own artistic talents, and she began painting, and

721
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: there are some paintings by Sophie Trebuche out there. And

722
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: they spent a lot of time with their friends, the

723
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: food Shares, and soon Sophie discovered that Victor had fallen

724
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: in love and got secretly engaged to the daughter of

725
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: the house, his childhood friend Adele food Share. But Sophie

726
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: did not approve. She thought Victor could do better. So

727
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: she's like now and he was like, yes, what kind

728
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: of went back and forth for aact? You get him

729
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: here on ridiculous romance, everybody's years of acting training and

730
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: just a brilliant character work being done. Look here in

731
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: the studio. I know, I know it's hard to do.

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00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: In the moment, you give it to us again, She

733
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: said no, and he said yes, I feel like I'm there.

734
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: But I don't think they fought a lot about Like,

735
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't like marry her out of hand

736
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: or something. He just was like, it just is what

737
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: it is. And she was like, I'm just gonna grumble

738
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: about it, you know, kind of vibes. Two years later,

739
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: after catching cold while ending her garden and falling ill,

740
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 1: Sophie Trebuche died in June eighty one. Only a month later,

741
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: Leopold married Catherine Thomas, who became Countess de Silcano. Which

742
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: is funny. I don't why didn't he marry her after

743
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: he got divorced. He could have done it in eighteen eighteen,

744
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: well only a month later. Maybe they were already making

745
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: plans and it just took a while, I know, But

746
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: their divorce was finalized in eighteen eighteen. That was three

747
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 1: years before. Look, something tells me Leopold wasn't exactly rushing

748
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: into commitment again, you know, but maybe he thought it

749
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 1: would like Sophie would not. He was like, I won't

750
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: marry you. I don't know, but he ended up marrying her.

751
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: She's a countess. Now, good for you girl. Side Peace

752
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: Gottess and Victor reconciled with his father, but later in

753
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 1: his life he did move his mother's remains to Pair

754
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 1: La Chaise, where she is buried as Countess Hugo Plase

755
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: Honeymoon Alert. I know, right, everybody's in parent shades. Everybody's there.

756
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: We have to go back. I keep saying this every

757
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: time it comes up. We didn't know about any of

758
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: this when we went. We were completely just strolled on

759
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: by Jim Morrisons ball Zack. I think Victor Hugo himself like,

760
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: we knew the big names, right we went to the

761
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: Big East. Yes, but yeah, so that's their ridiculous romance.

762
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: I love it. It's like when we started with Ann

763
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: Bonnie and Calico Jack and found out that her parents

764
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: had an insane story of their own, but we haven't tell.

765
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah they'll spoons. Oh my god, lifetime ago. Um.

766
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: But yes, thank you to Jinny and to uh Cassandra.

767
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: We're sending in Victor Hugo so that we would be like,

768
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 1: let's get our asses in gear, do Victor Hugo because

769
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: this was such a fun story and a lot of

770
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: little bits of French revolutionary history that I didn't know

771
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: much about. Little cups and you know, little fires that

772
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: pop up when you're changing a government, complete way of life.

773
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: This is a messy process. Yeah, and how like you're like, oh, good,

774
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: we got the bad thing out, we will place it

775
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: with a perfectly good thing. Wait a minute, a minute,

776
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: this thing ain't so good. Are often just the same thing,

777
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, same kind of structures, but not really, I

778
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: mean different people, but same structures. Though it doesn't really

779
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: have any of a different outcome. I don't know, Oh

780
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: my god, but yes, I really enjoyed diving into some

781
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: French revolutionary shenanigans and uh, these two's hot messes, really

782
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: ridiculous lives. I mean well, and poor Sophie her Man

783
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: got scooped up. I know he had a cause and

784
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: he went for it, you know, And that's the rich,

785
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: very true, that's the risk, that's very true. You did

786
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: a good job. We hope you enjoyed it as much

787
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: as we did. Definitely, please reach out. We always love

788
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: to hear from you. Obviously, these suggestions are amazing. If

789
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: you have any of your own, or if you have

790
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: any feedback about the episode or anything like that, please

791
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: reach out to our email, Rick Romance at gmail dot com.

792
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Speaker 1: That's right. Find us on Twitter and Instagram. I'm at

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Speaker 1: Oh great, it's Eli. I'm at Danamite Boom and the

794
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Speaker 1: show is at Dick Romance. Yea year and we can't

795
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: wait to I've into more about Victor and next time,

796
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Speaker 1: that's right, and tell you all about his Craser shop.

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Speaker 1: So tune in and we'll catch you down. Love you

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Speaker 1: buy so long, friends, it's time to go. Thanks, for

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Speaker 1: listening to our show. Tell your friends neighbor's uncles in

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