1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: production of. 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 2: IHEARTRADI Hello, Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: my name is Nolan. 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 3: super guest producer Chandler the Golfman Maze a item. Most importantly, folks, 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 3: are you You are here? That makes this the stuff 10 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. It's one of our 11 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 3: favorite evenings of the week when we get to hear 12 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 3: from our fellow conspiracy realist all across the world and 13 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: sometimes arguably beyond. We are going to get some letters 14 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 3: from home, a thing that we've been doing lately that 15 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 3: I quite like. We're going to learn a little bit 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: about the go Garcia. We're going to learn about an active, 17 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 3: very strange recruitment conspiracy on the part of Uncle Sam. 18 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 3: And before we do any of that, in deference to 19 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 3: this most wonderful of seasons, we thought we'd start with 20 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 3: a horror story. 21 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 4: Oh boy, did we ever think that? Gosh, this one 22 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 4: comes from Beesel Bob, which is a great name I'm 23 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 4: gonna go with beel z Abob, but beesel Bob is 24 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 4: good too. I think some folks pronounce it beesel bub. 25 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 4: I believe right, the name for the devil lucifer I 26 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 4: scratch the dark one exactly. 27 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 2: I think that's how this person pronounced it when they 28 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 2: called in the voicemail systems diesel Bub diesel Bob. 29 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: Alternatively, it's sometimes diesel Bub refers to Satan as a synonym, 30 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 3: and then sometimes it's a employee of see one of 31 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 3: the Seven Princesses. He's the he's the gluttony. 32 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 4: Guy, well see In any case, Bob is a fabulous 33 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 4: nickname for this listener who wrote into us with the 34 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 4: subject line the day I may have sold my soul 35 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 4: to the devil. 36 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: WHOA. 37 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 4: And I don't know if you all have been watching 38 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 4: The Fall of the House of Usher on Netflix. N Yeah, 39 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 4: but it's very good and that is a somewhat central theme. 40 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 4: No spoilers, but I highly recommend checking it. I just 41 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 4: finished it last night, and I think it's one of 42 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 4: the best things Mike Flanagan's ever done. And also, if 43 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 4: you're into Edgar Allan Poe and like this kind of 44 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 4: weird literature, weird fiction. It ticks all the boxes. It 45 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 4: does a really good job of weaving a lot of 46 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 4: the stories that you might be familiar with, but presenting 47 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 4: them in a way that's a little different than you 48 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 4: might expect. So let's jump right into this story on 49 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 4: how Beesel bub may have accidentally or on purpose sold 50 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 4: their soul to the devil. Hello, STDWYITK, this is Beesel Bob. 51 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 4: Please do share my name and message on air if 52 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 4: you so choose. I have a real life horror story 53 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 4: for you, a story in which I may have met 54 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 4: the devil itself. As a guitarist, I was intrigued to 55 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 4: learn the story of the Delta Blues guitarist Robert Johnson. 56 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 4: Johnson was rumored to have sold his soul to the 57 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 4: devil in exchange for musical ability. Johnson also practiced by 58 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 4: playing in the cemetery, as it was one of the 59 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 4: safest places for a black man to practice in the South. 60 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 4: It has also been said that to really learn to 61 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 4: play the blues, one must play for the dead. I 62 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 4: took the saying to heart and began practicing in cemeteries. 63 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 4: That is until I discovered that the dead do not 64 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 4: appreciate being disturbed, oh Man. On one such occasion in Jacksonville, Florida, 65 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 4: as I began playing, I suddenly heard the noise of 66 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 4: stone grinding on stone and the snort of a pig. Immediately, 67 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 4: a voice said, leave what. I hurriedly packed my guitar 68 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 4: and took off down the path, when all at once 69 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 4: a very loud boom reverberated throughout the cemetery, and I 70 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 4: felt a strong gust of wind push at my back, 71 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 4: as if to kick me out. On another night, in Portland, Oregon, 72 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 4: I sat underneath an old tree to play. Suddenly I 73 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 4: felt this instinctual urge that I should stand. When I 74 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 4: turned around, I shined my flashlight at where I had 75 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 4: been seated, and to my horror, discovered the largest spider 76 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 4: I have ever seen was hanging by a single thread, 77 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 4: directly over where my head had been ewh Lastly, one night, 78 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 4: while walking in New Orleans, Louisiana, I fear that I 79 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 4: may have met the devil. I was walking towards the 80 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 4: crossroads at which stood Lafayette Cemetery Number one. I was 81 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 4: reminded of Johnson's song Crossroads. I was singing and whistling 82 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 4: that song. As I approached, when I noticed a figure 83 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 4: in black standing at the crossroads without moving. This figure 84 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 4: was standing there as if waiting for me to approach. Unnerved, 85 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 4: I crossed to the other side of the road and 86 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 4: headed towards the cemetery up on the left of the crossroads. 87 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 4: The figure remained glued. 88 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 3: To the spot. 89 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 4: As I drew closer, I noticed the figure was a 90 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 4: man wearing some kind of security uniform. He watched me 91 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 4: as I headed over to the cemetery. I thought to 92 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 4: myself that it was strange that this lone security guard 93 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 4: would be standing on an empty street corner so late 94 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 4: in the night. Realizing the cemetery was locked, I considered 95 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 4: jumping the iron fence, but the security guard was still 96 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 4: staring at me. I settled for gazing pensively through the 97 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 4: bars into the shadowy cemetery. Suddenly I noticed the security 98 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 4: guard walking closely behind me. He said to me as 99 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 4: he passed behind me. Nice place to meditate, isn't it. 100 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 4: I replied that it was and turned around, but the 101 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 4: security guard had completely vanished. I rounded the corner of 102 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 4: the cemetery and looked to where he might have gone, 103 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 4: but he was nowhere. In sight. I'm not sure if 104 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 4: by evoking the spirit of Robert Johnson I summoned the devil, 105 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 4: and if in doing so I inadvertently sold my soul. 106 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 4: I can note that my ability to play the blues 107 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,799 Speaker 4: significantly improved after this encounter. I am a devoted follower 108 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 4: of the show and am forever grateful to you. 109 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 2: WHOA, those are good. That's intense. 110 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thank you, Bee Sable. I love the way 111 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 3: you write. 112 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 2: Man agreed. 113 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 3: Also, I've got some good news for you if you 114 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 3: are if you do believe in the human soul. Typically 115 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 3: the way it has to be sold is it's a misconception. 116 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 3: You don't have to necessarily sign anything. A gentleman's agreement 117 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 3: can hold so as long as you didn't shake hands 118 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: or make the declarative statement in which you agreed to 119 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 3: barter away your soul. It may be a situation where 120 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 3: you just got some encouragement, not a little at a 121 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 3: boy and you know who doesn't enjoy a good place 122 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 3: to meditate. 123 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 4: Interesting that the devil would be talking about meditating, though, right, 124 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 4: I don't really think of that as being a particularly 125 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 4: devilish pursuit. 126 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 3: He's a very meditative dude. He meditated on why humans 127 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 3: were the new the new kid right, and then reached 128 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 3: his conclusion and set the universe in motion. 129 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, one could argue that's that's a good point. 130 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: My theory is that Beesel Bob encountered a bunch of 131 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: crows dressed up as a security guard. And the reason 132 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: why security guard vanishes because the crows just like Dishurst. 133 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 4: That's an excellent theme from Fall of the House of Usher. Wait, 134 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 4: really well, I mean there's you know, there's a demonic 135 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 4: force that's sort of the main antagonist in the show 136 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 4: and is often depicted as a raven and also made 137 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 4: of like steam or can just vanish and disperse or 138 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 4: become a raven? 139 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: It will Oh it's po Yeah, you're right, Okay, it's. 140 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 4: Poe af no question about it. Yeah, it's so funny. 141 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 4: I mean, I really think that that show does such 142 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 4: a good job of weaving in a lot of modern concepts. 143 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 4: Like the family that is, the Usher family in the 144 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 4: show is sort of a Sackler family type situation where 145 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 4: they have done all of these horrible things knowingly and 146 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 4: they're sort of being punished and or the debt is 147 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 4: coming due on this Devil's bargain they made. And you know, again, 148 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 4: I don't want to spoil anything for you, and it's 149 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 4: impossible to spoil having just read the poet stories. They're 150 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 4: just going to kind of enhance your enjoyment of the show. 151 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 4: But the tone of these stories from Beesel Bubs very 152 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 4: much in line with the vibe of this show. So 153 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 4: I thank you. I think this is a great way 154 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 4: to kick off this episode as we march headlong into 155 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 4: spooky season. 156 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: For sure, what's the weirdest thing you guys have done 157 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 2: at a cemetery? 158 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 4: Poop? 159 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 3: Kidding would be really disloding effort to that honest to 160 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 3: answer it doesn't have to be honest. I was. Let's 161 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 3: keep it honest. So the when I was living in Guatemala, 162 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: the part of it I was in, uh similar to 163 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 3: places like New Orleans. A lot of the a lot 164 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 3: of the caskets, a lot of the grave sites are 165 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: elevated above the ground. And I went to I accidentally 166 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 3: crashed a party there. It was a pretty cool party too. 167 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 3: Was it a dead man's party and we were a 168 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 3: lot of dead people there? Is it a monster mash 169 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 3: type situation? 170 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? 171 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 3: That was the That was That was probably one of 172 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: the strangest and honestly longest nights of my life. Yeah, 173 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 3: it was cool. 174 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 4: To leave the rest of the imagination like that. 175 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: What about you, Matt, I I attempted to contact my grandfather, 176 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 2: like he was cremated. So I don't know what the 177 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: rules say about contacting the dead after, you know, depending 178 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: on what happens to their body when they go. I 179 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: know it probably changes depending on the sure belief systems, 180 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: but you know, I just it was like meditation, right, 181 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: a good place to meditate, and you know, he was 182 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 2: physically there so. 183 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 4: Well, and it does seem to be a place that's 184 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 4: primed with the kind of energy that maybe would be 185 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 4: conducive to such a contact. 186 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 3: Oh that I also got lost in a cemetery for 187 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 3: several hours is very big. 188 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 2: WHOA, some of them are huge, like a military cemetery 189 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 2: kind of thing. 190 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 3: Like no, because those is since we're audio, Matt is 191 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: illustrating the reality, which is a lot of those military 192 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: cemeteries are uniform, smaller tombstones, and this one was not that, 193 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 3: but it was. It was a wild time, especially when 194 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 3: the GPS stops working part way through and then you 195 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 3: know it's already dark. 196 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's intense. 197 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 3: But tell us your favorite cemetary stories, folks, tell us 198 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 3: a special your spooky stories. We love those. Send in 199 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 3: your own accounts, and I just want to once again, 200 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 3: Diesel Bob, give you props. I really really enjoy the 201 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 3: way right there. 202 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 4: Agreed. I think we can make this one a bit 203 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 4: of a shorter one to kick us off. Let's take 204 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 4: a quick break here, a word from our sponsor, and 205 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 4: then come back with several more messages from you, and 206 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 4: we're back. 207 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: I remember why I recognized diesel Bob. I attempted to 208 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: call diesel Bob back and left a message, So apologies 209 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: to you, Beesel Bob for that, but also thank you 210 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: for writing in. 211 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 3: You can also just meet us at the crossroads later. 212 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: Hey, we'll be there dressed. 213 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 3: In bone thugs and Harmony cosplay. 214 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: Just talking really fast about. 215 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 3: Busy bone for sure. 216 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so let's jump to the phone lines. 217 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 2: We've got a message here, guys. Some of these are silly, 218 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 2: and I'm doing it on purpose for us, just to 219 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: have a little fun. So here's our first message from 220 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: lunch Lady, whom I've also left a message with. 221 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 5: Hey, this is lunch Lady. I just want to say 222 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 5: I love the show. It's great. The only picture I 223 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 5: see is the Matt sexy as hell, and I just 224 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 5: appreciate that you being a pingenius, bend your appreciation for 225 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 5: king great down South hip hop. That's all I wanted 226 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 5: to say. Because I'm listening to some juicy jay right 227 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 5: now and I thought of you. That's kind of odd. 228 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 5: It's kind of weird. Don't worry about it. It's not 229 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 5: a big deal. But you know your hip hop and 230 00:12:55,520 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 5: I like that smart man. Pat on back, pat on 231 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 5: the butt. No, you get nothing. I'm sorry. No, you're 232 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 5: amazing too, your amazing father, and as a father with 233 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 5: a daughter, I love listening to you too. Thanks you guys. 234 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 5: I'm sorry. I've had a couple white wine apologist. 235 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 4: I love a good white wine. 236 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: Best white wine spirits or advertisement I've ever heard shout 237 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 3: out t CYJ Fellow Tennessee And yeah, that's that's so nice. Man. 238 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 2: I'm just made me so happy hearing from lunch lady 239 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 2: just saying just really kind things. 240 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 3: That's what I call letters from home. You know, it 241 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 3: doesn't always have to be like a revelation, right or 242 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: you know the truth about the JFK assassination. We we 243 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 3: just like hearing from you guys. 244 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 2: Oh exactly, and you know what, We're gonna switch it 245 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: up a little bit. Let's hear one more from a Frame, 246 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: who is a constant caller on the voicemail system. 247 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 5: Uh. 248 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: A Frame just has a tiny comment on something that 249 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 2: that happened in one of our episodes, and I am 250 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 2: trying very hard to remember which conversation it was and 251 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 2: I cannot, so I need you guys, your guys help. 252 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 3: You and I were talking about this off air earlier. Matt, 253 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: I don't think we can. Either of us were able 254 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 3: to remember. 255 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 4: I guess it's down to me. 256 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see. 257 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 6: But just had to say that Ben's little joke about 258 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 6: not seeing any performance and hances your pants is just 259 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 6: about one of the funniest things I've ever heard. You 260 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 6: could just go for it, dude, just your pants totally can't. 261 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 5: That's stopping you. I believe in you. 262 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 6: Good stuff, That's all. 263 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 5: I had to say that. 264 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 6: My eyes are wet after that, and it was very funny. 265 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 5: Thank you. 266 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 3: Well. 267 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 4: My pants are wet after that, as I just. 268 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: Pooped my pants because I'm wearing them and I just 269 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 2: did no. 270 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 4: I don't remember that either. But that's just the kind 271 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 4: of little nugget of wisdom that just flies through unnoticed 272 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 4: sometimes when we're hang. 273 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 3: It's also I was thinking about this. It's also for 274 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 3: many people. Maybe we talked about this a little bit 275 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 3: too many. It's psychologically difficult for a lot of people 276 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 3: to poop their pants. 277 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if I could do it, Just like, okay, 278 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: I've decided you. 279 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 3: Could do it. 280 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: I believe in you. 281 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 4: It's very very thoughtful. 282 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: But also also my eyes are wet. It's such a 283 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 3: specific I haven't heard that phrase before. 284 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. 285 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard like cutting onions, I've heard people say that. 286 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 3: But but yeah, man, we believe in you. 287 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: You know, it's all. 288 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 3: It's like any other responsible recreation. You just want to 289 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 3: be conscious of your scene and setting, you know, read 290 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 3: the room, make sure everybody's going to be cool and supportive. 291 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 4: I guess I just love slash hate the idea of 292 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 4: intentionally pooping your pants. It just seems like a very nihilistic, 293 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 4: self defeating thing to do. 294 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 3: Well, you've been programmed to think that way for so long. 295 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 4: Maybe I need to open my mind, you know. 296 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: Like how to how to astronauts use the toilet. But 297 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 3: what if you have to go when you're on an eva, 298 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 3: you know, like you're out there in the suit. What 299 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 3: if you're in a gilly suit as we talked about 300 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 3: earlier this week, and you can't move for days. 301 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 4: I'm just saying, is there the questions that keep keep 302 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 4: us up at nice See? 303 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: But yeah, if you poop your gilly suit though you 304 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 2: it's you're gonna give your position away, like for sure. 305 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 4: To bury the whole suit and then your naked. 306 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. 307 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 3: Well, write in gilly suited enthusiasts, let us let us 308 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: know the secret. Also, we we know private investigators, pis 309 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 3: and long haul drivers too who have just said, look, 310 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 3: you can't be too proud. Sometimes you got to use 311 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 3: that empty Gator eight bottle coffee. 312 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 2: Can baby seal it up? 313 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 3: Astronaut story you guys remember saving a while ago. Now, 314 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 3: the story of that that astronaut who got obsessed with 315 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 3: the dude or the diaper to go in. She didn't. 316 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 3: That kind of knowledge doesn't come from a vacuum. 317 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 4: No, Well, it comes from the vacuum of space where 318 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 4: nobody can hear you poop your pants. In space apparently, guys. 319 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 4: I think I found it. 320 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 2: I think it was a conversation we had about steroid 321 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 2: Olympics on Strange News. 322 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 3: Something you brought to the table, a Strange News segment, 323 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: and I think. 324 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 2: It was something about that you don't need performance in 325 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 2: dancing drugs to do that. All right, Well, hey, we've 326 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 2: got one more voicemail here we're going to listen to today, 327 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,959 Speaker 2: and this one comes from Storm Raven. 328 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 7: Hey, it's up, guys, you can just call me Storm Raven. 329 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 7: I really don't care what you do with this. But 330 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 7: I was actually lucky enough to visit Diego Garcia. We 331 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 7: had moved some B fifty two's there because we were 332 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 7: bombing Iraq at the time. It seems like we're always 333 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 7: bombing someone, are threatening to bomb someone, you know, ye 334 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 7: not AnyWho. Diego Garcia is actually long. It's got a 335 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 7: runway that's barely long enough to launch in land heavy bombers. 336 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 7: But I do mean barely. You miss the runway and 337 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 7: you're in the ocean. Just it's just that simple. But 338 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 7: the island is about half wild. It's about and it's 339 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 7: about half wild, and it roughly follows the outline of 340 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 7: a footprint, it's weird. But the Middle Blue Lagoon, it 341 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 7: is a beautiful blue lagoon. But that lagoon is also 342 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 7: home to several merchant marine vessels which are gym packed 343 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 7: with war supplies, ready to say, oh, anywhere in a 344 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 7: moment's notice, wherever the US wants to pick a fight. 345 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 7: But remember how I said the island is like half wild. 346 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 7: That's because that half is even restricted from those who 347 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 7: are stationed on the island. Now, I don't know why 348 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 7: it's restricted, but I've got a good hunch, and that 349 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 7: hunch is probably sensitive to some countries reasons. So we'll 350 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 7: just leave it at that. But it it's a shame 351 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 7: people can't see it because I do mean that lagoon 352 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 7: is absolutely beautiful. So but you guys, take care of 353 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 7: yourself and keep doing what you're doing. Back. 354 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: I just thought that was a great message from somebody 355 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: who has experienced in that place that we just, you know, 356 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 2: we began talking about a little bit, and I think 357 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 2: we were all really interested in it. And I don't 358 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 2: know what do you guys. 359 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 3: Think, Yeah, God saved the king, right, because this is 360 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 3: a depending on who you asked, this is a territory 361 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 3: of the United Kingdom and I'm picking up what you're 362 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 3: putting down there storms. This is this sensitive. But again, 363 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 3: like we said, you know, they do have beautiful wildlife 364 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 3: from what we hear. We've talked to other people who 365 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 3: have had the distinct pleasure you could say, of visiting 366 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 3: Diego Garcia. And there's something it makes me think of 367 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 3: the Merchant Marines. Do you guys know much about them? 368 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 2: Not much, not as much as I wish I did. 369 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,479 Speaker 3: Do you know who runs them? No, you're not the 370 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 3: Department of Transportation? 371 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 2: Wow? So are the is it? It is a military though? 372 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 3: Right, it's not a government agency. It's not a military service. 373 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 3: It's a DOT. 374 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 4: It's made of civilians, right, sort of like the Coast Guard, 375 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 4: and then it's like volunteer I guess, but like weapons ready, right. 376 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 3: They you can go to the US Merchant Marine Academy. 377 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 3: They do carry supplies. I'm sure they have to have 378 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 3: security when they're going, like we're not. None of us 379 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 3: have been members of the Merchant Marines obviously, but I 380 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 3: didn't know the DOT even had a maritime administration. 381 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 2: That's so nuts, But I guess it makes sense because 382 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 2: let's just refresh people where this is very south end 383 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 2: of the Maldives. Oh gosh, I don't know if I'll 384 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 2: be able to even describe it. 385 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's right out like if you started India 386 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 3: the tip of India with a little kama that is 387 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 3: Sri Lanka, and then go down and slightly to the 388 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 3: left and you will be you'll be sort of in 389 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 3: the the mid northwest of the Indian Ocean. 390 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost smack dab in the middle of all 391 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 2: of the land that surrounds the Indian Ocean there. So 392 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: that's a great strategic position even if you're dot right, 393 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 2: But you need to deploy a ship really quickly. 394 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 3: I'm just saying, pull up a map, look at the 395 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 3: Persian Gulf, look at your booty, the Red Sea, Gulf 396 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 3: of Eight, and Yemen. As you said, that is another 397 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 3: incredibly important point. I'm really glad that got brought up 398 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 3: because a lot of those things, a lot of the 399 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 3: US activities abroad are not classify, but they're just not 400 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 3: as widely reported, and administrations might change, but that doesn't 401 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 3: mean the bomb stopped dropping for sure. Uh. 402 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 2: Just to end on a light note here, guys, I 403 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 2: really enjoyed the phrasing of storm Raven in a lot 404 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: of places in that voicemail. The first one is the 405 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 2: concept of that the island is half wild, because it 406 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 2: made me feel like some kind of MTV spring break promo, like, man, 407 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 2: this island is half wild fully lagoons go wild? Yeah, yeah, 408 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 2: it's this blue lagoon is so filled with merchant marine vessels. 409 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 5: And uh. 410 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 2: And also just that phrasing that you picked up on 411 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 2: ben sensitive to some country's reasons. 412 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a nature reserve there too, Like a lot 413 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 3: of a lot of islands that are territories with a 414 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 3: primarily military interest, a lot of those places have amazing wildlife, 415 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 3: you know, assuming they're not the side of nuclear tests. 416 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 3: But even then life endures. It's amazing. It reminds me 417 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 3: of Oh, I gotta do it. I have to do 418 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 3: the shout out. I probably shouldn't because because it gets 419 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 3: harder to find this book every time that we mentioned 420 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 3: on air, But one of my very favorite books, which 421 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 3: you might enjoy as well Storm Raven, is called Atlas 422 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 3: of Remote Islands by Judith Shelansky. If you can get 423 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 3: the hardback copy, it's amazing. It's somewhere between an anthology, 424 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 3: somewhere between an Atlas. Of course, Diego Garcia makes an appearance, 425 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 3: but perhaps not in the way you would imagine. So 426 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 3: do check it out. And you know, if you have 427 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 3: had the fortune to travel two places like this, let 428 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 3: us know because a lot of people in the United States. 429 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 3: It's weird. I can't remember what I was talking with 430 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 3: about this, but a lot of people in the United 431 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 3: States simply will not have the opportunity to travel because 432 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 3: it can be so prohibitively expensive unless you join the military. Right, 433 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 3: So we want to hear your stories about places you 434 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 3: think your fellow conspiracy realist should know more about, because 435 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 3: there's a lot out there. 436 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 4: Well, if you go to the website for the Merchant 437 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 4: Marines Institute that you were mentioning, the first selling point 438 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 4: is want to see the world, manes. 439 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 3: Oh boy, Yeah, I see the world, probably some asterisks, 440 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 3: some specific parts. 441 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: Of the world. I just want to visit the United 442 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 2: Seamen's Service Center. 443 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I bet you do. Whatever that means. 444 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 2: Well, it's the club. 445 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 3: They don't say what kind of sir. 446 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 4: I I just met whatever I meant by my tone. 447 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I get it, all right, all right, Well, 448 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 2: with that, we're gonna hear a word from our sponsor. 449 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 2: Thank you so much everybody who called in over the 450 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: past month. We're caught up to October. Guys, we did it. 451 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: We'll be right back after word from our sponsor. 452 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 3: We've returned seamen like sperm guys, get it like we're 453 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 3: going to walk you through a casing body. 454 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 2: No wait, I was talking about like the term for 455 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 2: people who are on the scene. We knew what you meant. 456 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 3: We knew what you Okay, we just refused to acknowledge it. 457 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 3: So the h this is uh, this is one of 458 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 3: our final pieces we got. We got an email that 459 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 3: was very interesting from our pal Brock, fellow conspiracy realist. 460 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 3: If you've heard the show, if you heard any of 461 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 3: our strange news or listener mail segments, then you have 462 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 3: heard Rock. Uh. Rock hipped us to something that I 463 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 3: was very much not aware of, and I am I'm surprised. 464 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 3: This is why, this is why we love hearing from 465 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 3: you folks. So we know TikTok's a big thing, right. 466 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 4: We know that. 467 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 3: Uh, we know that the US millitarya is a big thing. 468 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 3: To your point, Storm Raven and many other folks riding 469 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 3: into us. We also know if you look at the 470 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 3: numbers year over year. We know that for quite some 471 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 3: time the US arm Services have been struggling to meet 472 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 3: their recruitment quotas as more and more people become i 473 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 3: would say, disillusioned with the army or cynical about joining 474 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 3: and about what that greater purpose might be. Then we 475 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 3: see that fewer and fewer people are going into a 476 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 3: recruitment office or signing up. So how do you change that? Well, 477 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 3: according to some interesting research we read, as well as 478 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 3: a great little piece of from Upper Echelon on YouTube, 479 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 3: we have learned that the psyop wing of the Armed Services, 480 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 3: the US Army in particular, may have taken to TikTok 481 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 3: and leverage slashed weaponized e girls. Before we continue, for 482 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 3: anybody not in the know, how would you describe an 483 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 3: e girl? 484 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 4: Yeah? I remember this from years ago from my kid, 485 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 4: and you told me what an e girl was, and 486 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 4: I just remember they're kind of goffy internet, like perpetually online. 487 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 4: Are they the ones that have the certain water bottles 488 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 4: or is that Visco girls? I think that's Visco, Yeah, 489 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 4: that's that one. But then there was like the hydro flasks. 490 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 4: What is egirls? I'm sorry, I'm getting conned. 491 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 2: Is is there a sexual or sexuality. 492 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 3: Component similar to some luck bing videos. The idea it 493 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 3: could be a twitch streamer. It's now increasingly at someone 494 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 3: on TikTok, and the idea is like you're a cute See. 495 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 3: There are all sorts of specializations, but ultimately, at least 496 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 3: critics would say the idea is that you can encourage 497 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 3: a parasocial relationship as an egirl to get people to 498 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 3: donate money to you to sharing your interest watching play 499 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 3: video game for instance, watching you do unpacking unboxing videos, 500 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 3: et cetera. 501 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 4: I was right about the goth element. Are there a 502 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 4: subcategory of the mal. 503 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 3: Goths or like waifu kind of ideas? So, this genre 504 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 3: of influencer and performer is enormously successful and a lot 505 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 3: of these people can make a quite a lucrative living here. 506 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 3: So in step with programs designed to recruit young gamers 507 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 3: through video games like Call of Duty, which we mentioned earlier, 508 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 3: there's this allegation that Uncle Sam has weaponized some of 509 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 3: these so called e girls. One great article we found 510 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 3: about this, in addition to the YouTube video we mentioned earlier, 511 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 3: is from Dazed Digital. This is by gunsili Yo Sinka 512 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 3: and The title of it is how egir influencers are 513 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,479 Speaker 3: trying to get gen Z into the military, and they 514 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 3: spend some time on someone named hey Lujan who has 515 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 3: three hundred and sixty three thousand TikTok followers as of 516 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 3: earlier this year and at the time this person's twenty 517 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 3: years old classic eagle thing posting what are called thirst traps, right, 518 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 3: but these thirst traps take place inside choppers or holding 519 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 3: assault rifles, holding military gear hashtags like Pew pew and 520 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 3: military curves. There will also be her plane with rebot 521 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 3: control tanks. 522 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 4: These are oh my gosh. These are like strategically created 523 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 4: hashtags by somebody working in like social media marketing for 524 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 4: the governments. 525 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 2: Well it sounds like guns and Ammo the pages of 526 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 2: like magazines back. 527 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 3: In the Guns and Ammo after Doug. 528 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: Well, I mean they would have like some of the ads, 529 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 2: not the actual articles in but the ads often have 530 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 2: that very. 531 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 4: Peny clad women sporting assaults a little soldier of fortune 532 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 4: to it as well, not counting the classified advertisements and 533 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 4: Soldier of fortune. 534 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 3: But that time has passed this person. This person, who 535 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 3: is sometimes called the psyop Girl No Fooling, is a 536 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 3: self described psychological operation specialist in the US Army, and 537 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 3: people have started speculating been speculating for a long time 538 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 3: now that she is that her role in the Army 539 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 3: is entirely to entice gen Z people largely male. We 540 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 3: would assume to sign up for the Army or the 541 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 3: Armed Services, some branch of it in hopes of meeting 542 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 3: the one because what do you think of what do 543 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 3: you think of the army romance? Right? Totally Number one 544 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 3: guest family future. 545 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 4: Every girl needs an e boy or whatever. No, that's 546 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 4: not It's much more complex and fluid than that. But wait, 547 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 4: so she claims to be a psyops expert, but it 548 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 4: turns out that she actually is the syops. 549 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 3: She claims to be employed by the US Army, and 550 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 3: people are increasingly believing that there's also stuff like people 551 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 3: not stuff like Bailey Crespo, Kayla salinas uh and then 552 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 3: hashtag mill talk, m I L t O ky military 553 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 3: TikTok uh and the more I thought about this, this 554 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 3: is mentioned in several articles as well. I think of 555 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 3: folks like remember bella Porch she came out with. She's 556 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 3: an influencer who came out with a song that went 557 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 3: viral which was build up thanks for beating me there. 558 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 2: I don't think I know this one. 559 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 8: It's it's it's about it's about how you, as a woman, 560 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 8: you should not have to conform to romantic or sexual expectations. 561 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 3: Cool. Yeah, down with overall's message, I think anybody can support. However, 562 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 3: she served in the US Navy for four years before 563 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 3: she went viral on TikTok, which to people play in 564 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 3: the conspiracy Board Red String game. They think that this 565 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 3: may have been a precedent or a blueprint that's set 566 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 3: for this idea of let's get to young potential future 567 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 3: armed Forces members through the power of sex appeal right 568 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 3: and through video games. 569 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 4: You know, it's funny because it seems like Uncle Sam 570 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 4: has been sort of late to the party with that 571 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 4: kind of stuff, sure, and that oftentimes their attempts at 572 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 4: like making the military seem cool have fallen quite flat. 573 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 4: So I guess they just finally maybe got some younger 574 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 4: folks on their marketing team that were like, you know, 575 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 4: what we ought to do is this. But also, TikTok 576 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 4: is kind of notoribviously an enemy of information security, you know, right. 577 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 3: That's what's interesting to me as well. And I think 578 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 3: that's a good point because TikTok is an app that 579 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 3: is compromised by the Chinese government pretty openly. 580 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 2: Right. 581 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 3: I don't think anybody at this point is going to 582 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 3: say that's not the case unless they work for the 583 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 3: government of China. But you see other countries doing this too. 584 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 3: Israel has done this with things like the gun Waifu 585 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 3: an influencer and IDF soldier. This is from the article 586 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 3: who Well, here's the thing I think at that point, 587 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 3: I think at that point our author on Day's Digital 588 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 3: might have a particular stance in the race. The most 589 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 3: important part to know is that to your point, other 590 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 3: countries are doing this a lot of times propaganda. If 591 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 3: it works in one situation, other organizations will attempt to 592 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 3: emulate it as quickly as possible, create a feedback loop, right, 593 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 3: which eventually creates to diminishing return, which is why people 594 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 3: move on to new syops. So there's there's a question here, 595 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 3: which is are we when when people agree to this 596 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 3: or when they allow this? Here is this line to children? 597 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 3: Is this like are you we selling them a full 598 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 3: a bill of goods? Like if someone when you join 599 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 3: the army, right, when you join the armed forces. Even 600 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 3: if you don't meet your fantasy online girlfriend, you still 601 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 3: have to stay in. 602 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah. I think it's a crime if you 603 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,879 Speaker 4: just leave, you abandon your post. I think it's called 604 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 4: going a wall or something, and it's punishable. 605 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 3: I think even if you had the mental fortitude to 606 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 3: purposely share your pants every day, they would keep you. 607 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 3: Unless you were that guy on that plane from a. 608 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 4: Few weeks back, they'd figure out something for you to do. 609 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 3: They figure out something, Well, you'll likely the latrees. I 610 00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 3: mean he's there all the time. Anyway. 611 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 2: It just puts you going to see one thirty and 612 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 2: they make a little hole so you can just drop 613 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 2: bombs on the NI. 614 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:10,439 Speaker 3: But but so my question then, building off this great 615 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 3: point you make, Brock, it does seem there's something to it, 616 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 3: but we don't know whether it's some widespread, systematic or 617 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 3: systemic rather nefarious thing, or if it's just a couple 618 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 3: of forays into something that's working. 619 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 4: You know. 620 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 3: So my question is is this dangerous? 621 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 2: I you know, you know what feels dangerous to me 622 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 2: the fact that there is a real thing called army syops. 623 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 3: Oh, come on, that's old beings. 624 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 2: No, no, but that but think about that. Psyops is 625 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 2: the kind of it's a sci fi feeling thing, right, 626 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,919 Speaker 2: psychological operations, but it's real. It's a real thing within 627 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 2: all of the branches of military for ages. 628 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 4: And we talked about this recently. I think I forget 629 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 4: the ghost army tapes or whatever, like in Vietnam, where 630 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 4: they would play the sounds of ghosts of like the 631 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 4: viet Cong's like ancestors that would supposedly get them to 632 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 4: potentially retreat. They'd hang like speakers in the trees and stuff. 633 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 3: I mean asswong or mutilating a corpse to look like 634 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 3: it was an Aswalang attack in the Philippines exactly. 635 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 2: But when psyops are involved at all, how do you 636 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 2: know what is a part of the syops syop and 637 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 2: what is not part of the syops sciops. You shared 638 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 2: a link for a training about a training video that 639 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 2: they put out to try and encourage people to join 640 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 2: their thing. Yeah, and it sounds insane, then. 641 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,439 Speaker 3: Well, it's like when it's like when I can't remember 642 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 3: which intelligence agety it was. Maybe out in the United 643 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 3: Kingdom they put out a billboard with some riddles to solve. 644 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 3: That was like the application slash challenge Cicada. 645 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 4: Well, I mean it's not that different than I guess 646 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 4: the CIA now allowing people to not have to take 647 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 4: a drug test it in order to be a hacker 648 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 4: for them, you know, because it's just part of the culture. 649 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 4: You know, people don't want to work for the government 650 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 4: if they can't smoke their weed or whatever, you know. 651 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 4: And it's the same thing where they're trying to meet 652 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 4: people young people. Not to sound like a granddad where 653 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 4: they are. Is it any more dishonest than those videos 654 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 4: we were talking about in the previous episode with the 655 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 4: you know, call of duty kind of action sort of 656 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 4: like think people rising from the swamps, and you know, 657 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,959 Speaker 4: it looks like just wow, you want to be a hero. 658 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 4: I mean, it's all Michael Bay type stuff. That's that's 659 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 4: not honest. We know that's not what it's like. 660 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 3: You said that. Yeah, let's point out our earlier episode. Look, 661 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 3: regardless of whether or not you support this way of 662 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,760 Speaker 3: gaining the interest of young people who may not fully 663 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 3: realize the repercussions of their decisions, you should check out 664 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 3: our episode on the US military and how it interacts 665 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 3: with the entertainment industry in the in domestically and a 666 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 3: little bit a little bit abroad, still mainly in the endphere. 667 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 3: But the long and short of it is, the Armed 668 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 3: Services will give you a heck of a deal on 669 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 3: having US military appear in your films and your TV shows, 670 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 3: so long as you make them look good in the process. Yeah, 671 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 3: that's great, you know what I mean. I think any 672 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 3: organization that had the money to do that would do so. 673 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 3: So it's just pr But those sie up groups are 674 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 3: the s battalions and specific they are real. And when 675 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 3: you see a video game company or a movie studio 676 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:42,879 Speaker 3: wanting to use the military legally in media, then they're 677 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,839 Speaker 3: gonna talk with those guys the propagandas. 678 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 4: Don't they let them use like helicopters and stuff or 679 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 4: they are like supervised They obviously they're not just letting 680 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 4: people fly their helicopters, but it's stuff that would be 681 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 4: very expensive to either create or to cgi. It is 682 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 4: a good deal for the movie industry if they can 683 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 4: play nice, so long as they look good. 684 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 2: Well is the thing. Somebody recently, and I apologize I 685 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 2: can't remember who was, They were talking about the Top 686 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 2: Gun Maverick movie and how the enemy is never defined. 687 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 2: It's like an unknown enemy, and there were people online 688 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 2: attempting to figure out who the actual ideological enemy of 689 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 2: them of the American forces was. 690 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 4: Isn't the point though, that it doesn't matter that it's 691 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 4: just like leaving it up to the imagination and it 692 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 4: makes it a little more universally applicable or enjoyable. 693 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, But I imagine that's one of 694 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 2: the reasons that they're able to actually get access to 695 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 2: a lot of the planes and feature actual military toys. 696 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,760 Speaker 3: Look, the idea is the lesson for those kind of films, 697 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 3: especially when they're shown abroad, as anyone. 698 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 4: Can get it. 699 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 2: Oh you know what I mean? Yeah, like, do you. 700 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,280 Speaker 3: Really want to find it why we don't have free healthcare? 701 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 2: It's because of these these five And I. 702 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 3: Know that's on cinema. But that being that alone, that 703 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 3: cynicism does not mean that is untrue. But also just 704 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 3: to be very fair, you know, the US armed forces 705 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 3: are one of the great guaranteurs of international trade, right 706 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 3: especially we look at this huge infrastructure across these massive oceans, 707 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 3: counting Diego Garcia as well. The force projection of the 708 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 3: United States enables global commerce to exist, and it's really 709 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 3: hard to argue against that, and I don't necessarily, you know, 710 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,879 Speaker 3: there are all kinds of criticisms. We'd love to hear 711 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 3: your stories on this one, folks. There are all kinds 712 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 3: of criticisms of the at times misleading tactics that recruitment 713 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 3: offices have given. Have spungges, yeah, for ages, and you 714 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 3: know they themselves. If we have anybody who's worked in 715 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 3: recruitment listening tonight, you know that you yourself may have 716 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,919 Speaker 3: been subjected to some pretty crazy quotas that are very 717 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 3: difficult to meet at times. So there is that problem 718 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 3: there to maintain that recruitment. But then there's also the 719 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 3: question of what is ethical. You know, I just I 720 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 3: feel God, there are so many stereotypes about young folks. 721 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 3: I don't want to say kids who join the military instantly, 722 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 3: get married to their high school sweetheart, buy a Mustang 723 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 3: at twenty something percent interest, and then fast forward two 724 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 3: years and they're in deep water. And those stereotypes exist 725 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 3: because they there is some sand to them. I just 726 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,280 Speaker 3: hate the idea of a kid signing up for something 727 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,879 Speaker 3: that will affect them potentially for the rest of their 728 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,839 Speaker 3: lives or potentially end their life, just because they saw 729 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 3: some TikTok videos that doesn't seem right. 730 00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 4: Well, and this seems like kind of small tata as 731 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:05,280 Speaker 4: compared to the ethical quandaries posed by military war machines 732 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,879 Speaker 4: in general. Right, But like a lot of these kind 733 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 4: of oo wu type videos, these egirl type videos are 734 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 4: about sexualizing young people, you know, in a very potentially 735 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 4: icky way, but it's also about empowerment sometimes too, So 736 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 4: it's a it's a confusing fall of wax. But when 737 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,880 Speaker 4: the government kind of weaponizes it and is trying to 738 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 4: target it, then they're capitalizing on something that is in 739 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 4: the wrong hands, quite you know, problematic. 740 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 3: And we want this is where we will your help. 741 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,360 Speaker 3: If you have worked in recruitment, if you've worked in 742 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 3: the armed forces, if you haven't, it doesn't matter. We 743 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 3: want to hear your opinions on the ethics, on the 744 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 3: nature of this conspiracy, whether it's overblown, whether there's sand 745 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 3: to it, and we love it. If you visit Army 746 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 3: times dot com, check out a article says, foreboding Army 747 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 3: syops recruitment video shows who's pulling the strings. This was 748 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,359 Speaker 3: written in May of last year by Rachel Nostrand and 749 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,279 Speaker 3: with that, like we cannot wait to hear from you 750 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,400 Speaker 3: on this. With that, folks, we bid you at a 751 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,880 Speaker 3: do and a happy almost Halloween. Shout out to Brock, 752 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 3: shout out to lunch Lady, shout out to Storm Raven, 753 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 3: a Frame, and of course beezel Bob. One final note, 754 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,720 Speaker 3: on a bit of a personal level, a dear friend 755 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 3: of mine and of the show has passed away unexpectedly, 756 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 3: Canadian Dean. There are many people listen to the show 757 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:48,439 Speaker 3: who know you and remember you, and there's never there's 758 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 3: never a right way to say it. But just wanted 759 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 3: to give our thoughts to your family and loved ones 760 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,400 Speaker 3: and with that, we can't wait to hear from you, folks. 761 00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 4: That's right. You can find us all over the Internet 762 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 4: where we exist the handle Conspiracy Stuff on x FKA, Twitter, Facebook, 763 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 4: and YouTube. 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