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No. 8 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: Your hosts, Mickey Spagnola and Bill Jones, Welcome again to 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: another Dallas Cowboys Legend show from here in the Cowboys 10 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: Club at the Star. Now half of us is here. 11 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: I'm Mickey Spagnola. Bill Jones is caught in heavy traffic 12 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: trying to get here on time. And I've always wanted 13 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: to say this, like Joe Buck says when he starts 14 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: the show, and Bill Jones will join us in a moment. 15 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: But joining me right now, Danny Surrect. Good to have 16 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: you with us. Oh there's very gods. No, we can 17 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: we can trade off. I'll let you take over. I'm 18 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: just keeping your seat warm, Bill, Bill. And when I 19 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: said he joined us in a moment, he was gonna 20 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: joined us in am. You know, Bill, there's a wireless 21 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: mike you can handle for the first segment if you want. Uh. 22 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: Bill said he wasn't gonna make it, so Danny decided 23 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: that she could jump in here and help out. How 24 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 1: are you tonight, dude. Well, it's a nice little chain. Gurly, 25 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: I'm the one out there with the wireless mike, and 26 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: so Bill and I are going to switch jawns tonight. 27 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: I guess Earlt. Bill, did you find an alternative route 28 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: that you could make it? I've found six alternative routes, 29 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: and I bet everyone got you into more trouble. You 30 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: know what, the traffic wasn't bad in my subdivision. Once 31 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: I got out him my subdivision. It was Christmas holiday 32 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: traffic in the metrople. Well, I'm glad you're here. And 33 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: also I'm glad our very special guest is here on 34 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: this Wednesday night. And you know every Wednesday night we 35 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: say we have a special guest, but this night is 36 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: no exception because tonight it is number How about that? 37 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: How about that? That's pretty sweet. Let's give him a 38 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: big welcome. The Super Bowl thirty MVP Larry Brown is 39 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: with how about that Douglas barricklow drug that up. He 40 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: had a big beat somewhere to go find that. And 41 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: that was your introduction if I remember correctly, for the 42 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: championship game in ninety five against Green Bay. Yes, Texas 43 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: Stadium right maker doesn't forget anything. So were you surprised 44 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: when you guys get introduced by Michael Offord? You know 45 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: it was coming. We did not know anything because you know, 46 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: sometimes they would flip it on you. So, um, a 47 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: lot of guys were superstitious as far as the coaches, 48 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 1: So if we won a game, they didn't want to 49 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: change a pattern. So if somebody's got the team, let's say, 50 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: for example, we won a game last week and offense 51 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: got introduced, they would do the same thing so they 52 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: would get introduced, so they didn't want to break any patterns. 53 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: So we never knew. Huh, that's great. So when you 54 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: guys heard it, so they're introduced the defense that game, uh, 55 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: and did it for everybody? Right? Everybody? Everybody? You So 56 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: the first guy that walked out, were you guys kind 57 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: of looking at each other like what the we were? 58 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: You know, it was cool, you know when you could 59 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: when you're you're in a game. You're kind of in 60 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: game mold, but it was hard to transition into what 61 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: what was actually happening because you're kind of ready to 62 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: play the game. But it was pretty cool. And Michael Buffer, 63 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: obviously everybody knows what he is the boxing and that 64 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: was pretty sweet. Yeah, it certainly wasn't it. And for 65 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: those of you that might need a refresher, Uh, Larry 66 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: Brown h TCU Cowboys drafted them in nineteen ninety one. 67 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: And tell those of you that have to go way back, 68 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: there were twelve rounds in the draft by then, and 69 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: Larry made it right under the wire. Do you know 70 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: that there's no more there's no twelve rounds, there's no 71 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: more Texas Stadium. So everything you're announcing half these people 72 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: don't even remember anymore. You retired all that stuff. He 73 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: was a twelfth round pick of the Cowboys and played 74 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: six years. Five years with the Cowboys and actually six 75 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: because you came back that end of that ninety eight season, 76 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: that rookie year he was the voted to the NFL 77 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: All Rookie Team. Uh and uh a really solidified starting 78 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: job in training camp. So really good to have you. Uh, 79 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: you've been kind of busy. I understand the boys in 80 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: the TV department have got you working. You know, I'm 81 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: back was Nate and uh Brian Bardis and Lindsay. They're 82 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: doing a great job in pregame, the pregame show, some 83 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: plumper game out a post having fun with it. You know. 84 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: I'm a fan of the game. So when you get 85 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: a chance to just watch and be a fan, and 86 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: I enjoy that part of it. I love football and 87 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: it's been a part of my life, my entire life. 88 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: So I enjoy just being a fan of the game. 89 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: So you run into it. You work on that show, right, idea, Yeah, 90 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: I do. It's a lot of fun. But are you 91 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: able to watch truly just as a fan? I am. 92 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: I am. I'm really a fan of the sport. I 93 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: love it. I love watching the new guys and the 94 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: new coaches. So you learn a lot, you know. It's 95 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: I've been playing. I've been a part of football since 96 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: I was four years old. I am forty nine, so 97 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: you know, forty five years of either playing or working 98 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: in it or being a part of it. So I 99 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: just love the game. And for those of you watching 100 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot com, you might be able to 101 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: tell those whiskers are getting just a little white. H Well, 102 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what my kids tell me. Hey, Dad, 103 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: they were looking at pictures the other day. Hey, you 104 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: used to have muscles, you know, so your kids don't 105 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: hold back on you. But but it's fun and you 106 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: do age a little bit, and it is what it is. 107 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: So other than the Sunday stuff with Cowboys TV Department, 108 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: you got anything else going? Uh? Just my son. You know, 109 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: my son plays football, getting ready going to college. He's 110 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: going to an M. I saw it. He'll be there 111 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: in January, even early. He's leaving early. Uh. He's going 112 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: to play in the NFL Hall of Fame World Bowl 113 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: in Mexico City next week. So we're going down there 114 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: for that and we're gonna drop him off at an M. 115 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: And then I can start living my life and get 116 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: a little money back in my pocket. And I don't 117 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: have to I'm one for three. My oldest daughter went 118 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: to Baylor. I had to pay for so I worked 119 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: for Baylor, no scholarship. I worked for Baylor for five 120 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: years paying for that. My other daughters in Texas Tech. 121 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: I'm still working for Texas Tech now, but I don't 122 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: have to pay for him, and I'm happy about that, 123 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: so you don't have to have two at once. I'm 124 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: one for three for three. You know what, you didn't 125 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: go through a recruiting process when you came out of 126 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: high school in La, right, you ended up in A 127 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: It was a community college junior college for a year, 128 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: a La Southwar South Tay Southwest. So what was it 129 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: like to see your son go through a recruiting process 130 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: that he committed in February to A and M. But 131 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: he had thought he was going to UCLA and you 132 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: went with him on a lot of visits. That's correct 133 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,119 Speaker 1: for him. He started getting recruited his sophomore year, so 134 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: the process started much earlier. Everything's different in recruiting now. 135 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: Huddle there's no huddle. We didn't have any huddle tape. 136 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: There were no camps you went to. There were no 137 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: twenty four seven sports and all the raiding, no Twitter, 138 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: none of that stuff. You know. Coach said, hey, it's 139 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: some coaches in the office. They think you're pretty good. 140 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: Go talk to him. That was it for him. It 141 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: was a lot different because he got recruited by everybody, Alabama, Georgia, 142 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: everybody offered him. So helping him try, He obriginally committed 143 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: to UCLA. He loved Jim Mora, he loved California, and unfortunately, 144 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: in this business, so much changes that his first two 145 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: choices were UCLA and him. Both staffs got fired. Okay, 146 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: so you put all that time and work in just 147 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: getting to know programs, and you look up guys move around. Uh. 148 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: Jimbo Fisher recruited in the Florida state, but he didn't 149 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: want to go to Florida. So when Jimbo got the 150 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: job at Texas A and M, he came by and 151 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: I think my son was one of the first people 152 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: he came and saw and said, hey, I'm here. Now 153 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: I know you didn't want to come to Florida. And 154 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: so after doing all the homework, he loved A and 155 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: M and loved Jimbo Fisher. And that's how you made 156 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: the decision. It was a natural connection. Missouri, your albumatter 157 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: was too cold out held too. He thought about the 158 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: Boomer Sooners bills, but you know, they had so many 159 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: good receivers already they didn't need them. But Missouri is 160 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: too cold. Boomer Sooners had too many receisters. It was 161 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: he looked at what my son is You would think 162 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: he's from California, right, dude, anything over fifty and uh 163 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: so he visited Notre Dame. He loved the trip. Then 164 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: one guy said, hey, you know in October and November 165 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: it can get to like five or ten degree. It 166 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: was over. It was a rap. He was loving it, 167 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: and I thought he may want to go there. It 168 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: was over. They lost him on the weather. Danny, did 169 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: it ever get below fifty at Missouri in the winter 170 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: from the ninth for months, for months exactly, Bill Jones, 171 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: did you not try to recruit him to Oklahoma? You know, 172 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: I think my daughter probably tried to recruit Cam. My daughter, 173 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: Jessica Griffith, is a freshman algebra teacher at collie Ville Heritage, 174 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure she had Cam when he was 175 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: a freshman there, because she was giving me a rave 176 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: reviews about Cam Brown, not the football player, but the kid. 177 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: He's a good kid, yes he is. And I know 178 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: this season Larry was a challenge though for him because 179 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: he had an injury during the middle of the season. Right, yes, 180 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: he heard his foot well, he broke his foot in 181 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: the spring in the weight room at school, and you know, 182 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: we thought it was over. He kept reaggravating it, and 183 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: so he played about half the season and end up 184 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: shutting it down because you know, once you break a foot, 185 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 1: you need maybe six to eight weeks, so it's pretty 186 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: much the season. And obviously he didn't like it, but 187 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: it's what we had to do. And but he had 188 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: a great career. So Bill, it sounds like your daughter 189 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: was a good scout because he's able to leave mid 190 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: mid year, go to a and m good teachers, trust me, 191 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: like her finished and allow you to turn into Simon's 192 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: late and things like that. Good teachers. Yes, my son, well, 193 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: she had a little issue with the dad. But you 194 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: know those those parents that are pushy, you know, they 195 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: still make parent visits or oh well, you know why 196 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: high school. You gotta stay on top of these kids 197 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: these days, you know, so make sure the academic part 198 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: for you are sounding like your forty nine. These kids 199 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: these days, kids, these days, how about these cowboys these days? 200 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: It's outstanding, you know. And I said this before. You know, 201 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: I was very critical that we needed a number one 202 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: receiver for some while, and we didn't. And since some 203 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: Maari Cooper has come in, things have changed. And I'm 204 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: not gonna give him all the credit, but he has 205 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: been a big part of the success and where we're 206 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: headed with the Cowboys. I mean, he was just named 207 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: NFC Offensive Player of the Week again. Yes, and he's 208 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: only been here six weeks, So that's twice and that's 209 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: never happened in the Cowboys franchise history with a wide 210 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: receiver twice in one season. Well, the great thing about him, Mara, 211 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: that he brings to the table is two things. There 212 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: was this notion before that you could do it by committee, 213 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: and I've always been a believer. Is this. You know 214 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: you are what you are a guy that's a two 215 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: hundred three receiver, that's what they are. That's why they're 216 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: that you're not a one. Well, if people want to 217 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: know what's between a one and a two hunder three, 218 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,599 Speaker 1: Amari Cooper shows you what that is. Yeah, here's a 219 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: guy who can take a short pass, take it deep, 220 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: he can take the top off. He's very tough. And 221 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: the thing I like about Amari most and you guys, 222 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: billing Mickey knows this. Most superstar receivers are prema donnas. 223 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: He's not a prima donna. Pretty laid back kid, goes 224 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: about his business the right way. So I'm a big 225 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: fan of Amari Cooper because how he handles his business. 226 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: You would joy this today when he had his media 227 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: gathering in the locker room and someone asked about the 228 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: award and what do you think of it? His answer 229 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: was it's cool, and he just left it at that. Yeah, 230 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: it's cool. You don't see that anymore. No, absolutely not speaking. 231 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: Changing to the defense though, I mean, I think Byron 232 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: Jones might be one of the most underrated players this season. 233 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: How how do you think he's living up to those expectation, 234 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: expectations going to corner and you know how much did 235 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: Chris Rashard having that in that change? Well, two things. 236 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: I think Chris Rochard is an amazing coach, and he's 237 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: gotten that group to play together, which you don't see anymore. 238 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: Are guys lining up wrong blown coverages. We've seen that 239 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: in the past. You don't really see that at all anymore. 240 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: And I called Byron Jones Darren Woodson to me, he's 241 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: my Woodie. You know, he's a guy that can line 242 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: up at safety, he can line up in the slot, 243 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: he can go outside, and for those who don't really 244 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: know the game, that is not easy to do. There's 245 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: a lot of guys who play out side that can't 246 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: play inside. There's a lot of guys that play corner 247 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: that cannot play safety. So having that versatility and being 248 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: able to do that. You know, you saw him on 249 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: zach Ertz last week. You know you saw him on 250 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: Gruntkowski when we played the Patriots. So the verse atility 251 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: that he's been And again, he's not a prima Donna Lightwood. 252 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: He doesn't talk a lot about himself. He just goes 253 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 1: about his business. And I think he is one of 254 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: the most underrated players in the team and h in 255 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: the league. That's Cowboys former cornerback Larry Brown. I'm Mickey Spagnola. 256 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna have a position change here. He's gonna get 257 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: back to that wireless Mike Bill Jones is gonna take 258 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: the the pilot seat here on the Dallas Cowboys Legend 259 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: Show that will continue in a moment. Back back to 260 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: the s WBC Mortgage Dellas Cowboys Legends Show broadcasting live 261 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: from the Cowboys Club at the Star in Frisco. Donald 262 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: on the third and nine here come to Cowboys. He 263 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: throws down hills and accepted the four out of the 264 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: thirty high steps still Steve twenty the hell talking and 265 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: he goes out of bounds at the nineteen yard line 266 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: forty three yards. The pass blown right to Larry Brown. 267 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: The pass thrown right to Larry Brown. How about that? 268 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: It's Super Bowl thirty. I don't know if you know this. 269 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: You know what Emmett Smith named me my rookie year. 270 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: I dropped twenty First of all, let me said it is. 271 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: I had twenty two pass breakups, twenty one were dropped interception. 272 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: You were on the pace. You're on pace to set 273 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: a new NFL record with twenty one interception. So I'm 274 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: gonna give you a true story. I don't know people 275 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: know this, So Emma start calling me Edward Scissor Hands. 276 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: So Michael Irvin came to me one time, and true 277 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: story my interception want to be said, Look, dude, no 278 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: one ever said you had to catch with your hands. 279 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: Just catch the ball, you know. And I said, good idea, 280 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: because before I was trying to catch, my hands were bad. 281 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: So it is what it is. Well, that was his 282 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: interception in Super Bowl thirty against the Pittsburgh Steeler, the 283 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: first of two interceptions. How much do you remember of 284 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: that play? I remember knows very vipply. You know, we 285 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: had practice all week and Mike zimmers like, be aggressive. 286 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: Don't just let them catch them five yard when we 287 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: come after him, you know, don't be so far off. 288 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: How many how many times you see a guy you're 289 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: blitzing everybody and a guy just runs a five yard 290 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: stop or slanting, They catch the ball and fall forward 291 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: for a first down. So he's like, take some chances, 292 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: be aggressive. And so when we saw them changing the 293 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: blitz coverage and we're coming after him, we just wanted 294 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: to be aggressive and go after those plays. So that's 295 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: what I remember most, you know, building and the big 296 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: thing on that is where did you learn to run 297 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: the ball so well? Not only did he intercept it, 298 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: he returns at forty forty yards to the eighteen yard 299 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: line to set up a touchdown two plays. Well, if 300 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: you can't catch that, well, at least you can do 301 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: is what you're run. And so true story. So I'm 302 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: running on one of my interceptions, then I want me 303 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: to pitch it to him. I said, I'm not pitching 304 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: it to you. I wanted me to pitch it to 305 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: him because I said, if I pitch him the ball, 306 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: he's gonna be the highlight. I'm no longer a part 307 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: of the highlight. Yeah, it's a business decision. I'm gonna 308 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: pit d so mid run you're thinking about that? No, 309 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: I would even consider it. Yeah. So I don't know 310 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: if you tell you about Super Bowl story right? Yeah. 311 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: So this is before the game, like night before the game. 312 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: I'm in a room with Michael Irvin, Troy Aikman, m 313 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: Smith and Dion Sanders and Dion Sanders and his usual self. 314 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: It's upset that Disney has not raised the money for 315 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: their commercials. So he tells everybody in the room. I 316 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: don't know how I end up in this room with 317 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: these guys anyway, but I'm there. He says, look, Troy, 318 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: if Mike, if you guys win the MVP, and if 319 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: Disney doesn't raise the money, don't do it. So they 320 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: all agree, said, Troy said, yeah, you're Dan, You're Larry, 321 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: You're in. What what you want me for? What you 322 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: want me for? Hey? Are you in? So I said yeah, yeah, whatever, Yeah, okay, 323 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: you know whatever, y'all. I mean. So I go win 324 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: the MVP and they're all standing at me when Disney 325 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: talks about the commercial and I said, are you guys 326 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: gonna raise the money, and they said no, and I'm 327 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: They're standing at me, just like Bill staring at so 328 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: I said, I can't do it. It's the dumbest thing 329 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: I ever did. I gave to the pressure. But since 330 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: we did it made that pack in the in the room. 331 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: I didn't do the Disney thing because of that, and 332 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: I still blame Deon Sanders for that. So they didn't 333 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: have anybody show up. Emmitt end up going back doing it, 334 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: and Dion and Mike were still mad at immag to 335 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: day from going back doing it because they didn't raise 336 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: the money. So how much was the money, I don't know. 337 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: I never asked. It wouldn't have mattered to me. I 338 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: don't care whatever it was. I would have did it. 339 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: So Emmitt went, so, Emmitt went. So the two problems. 340 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: I never should have been in the room with those 341 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: guys the day before a game. And I never have 342 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: been in that situation even remotely turned down doing the 343 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: Disney commercial. Wow, it was almost like prophecy though that 344 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: I mean, those are now let's just face it that 345 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: those guys are order in a twelfth round draft. There 346 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: no doubt we already knew I don't know how I 347 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: even end up in the room. I don't know why 348 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: Dine even asked me. All those guys put me in 349 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: that I should never be a part of that conversation. Larry, 350 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: are you in yeah? Where it was Woody at the time. 351 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: I don't know where. I don't know. It's just that's 352 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: four in the room. I don't know what happened. How 353 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: did how did that happen? I still don't know. All right, 354 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: So being Super Bowl MVP, how did that change your life? 355 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: It was fun? You know, it was great, and for me, 356 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: I think it made people being more aware of who 357 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: I was. You know, you're just on the team. Then, 358 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: you know, you had so many stars Woody and MD 359 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: and Troy and Nova Check and all these guys. You know, 360 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: people forgot that. I started for five years and started 361 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: the second game my rookie season. But when you have 362 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: that many power hitters on the team, you know, it's 363 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: easy to be lost on that team. So I think 364 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: that for that that one game, you got a little 365 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: more recognition. They say, Okay, there is a twenty four 366 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: over there on the other side of twenty one, So 367 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: it was pretty cool. So how many times have you 368 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: gone back to the Super Bowl where they I remember 369 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: one year was it Super Bowl fifty? What year was 370 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: He do it every ten years, every ten years everywhere 371 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: they bring all the mv pie back. It is so cool. 372 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: So so immitmant We just did the fiftieth and Emmon said, Hey, 373 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: we're all gonna have a blast this one because none 374 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: of us gonna be here for the hundred. And it 375 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: is so much fun to get all the guys together. 376 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: So my son went with me to the game. And 377 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: if you've never watched a Super Bowl with a bunch 378 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: of MVPs, my son thought they were nuts. Ray Lewis like, 379 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: get on the ball, it's a fumbling. My Son's like, Dad, 380 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: they're they're like crazy. It shows you their passion and 381 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: their love for the game. They're very competitive. And so 382 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: my son had a chance to watch these guys watch 383 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: a game. He thought they were nuts. He's like, Dad, 384 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: they might as well be out there playing the game, 385 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: you know. But that's how in tune to the guy. 386 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: These guys were to the game. And we didn't mention, 387 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: I think in the first segment, but Danny has the 388 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: wireless mike and if anybody has a question for Larry, 389 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: just get her attention and you can fire away. And 390 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: in case you aren't listening closely here when he said 391 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: I started for the Cowboys as a rookie the second 392 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: game and nineteen ninety, how did that come about? I'm 393 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: trying to remember. Did somebody get hurt? Nothing against you? Oh? No, 394 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: nobody got hurt. As a matter of fact, it came 395 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: as a shock to me. Um, most guys, they kind 396 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: of they work you in. I've seed it over the 397 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: years with the first round picks. You know, you bring 398 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: them in on third down and you started working them in, 399 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: getting them some reps. They didn't happen sort of like 400 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: they did with Pup the next Absolutely, they didn't samething 401 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,239 Speaker 1: with Woody. You kind of work them in and give 402 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: them some reps. Same thing with Russell, same thing with Alvind. 403 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: They didn't just throw them to the fire. So I 404 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: go down from kickoffs, running down on kickoffs and special 405 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: teams as the twelfth round pick. And Jimmy comes to 406 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: me on Tuesday or Wednesday, he says, you're starting this week. 407 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: I know you can do it. Don't let me down. 408 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: That was it. That was the extent of our conversation. 409 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: It wasn't like, hey, coach this, this, that and you know, uh, 410 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: and Campbell told me later, you know, once we retired, 411 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: he said, jim Me wanted me to start him, started 412 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: me week one, but Campbell was like, no, he First 413 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: of all, I was only twenty years old. Remember people 414 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: forget when I got drafted. I was only twenty years old. 415 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,719 Speaker 1: So even though Woody and Kevin got drafted next year, 416 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: they're still older than me. So camp was a little 417 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: afraid that I was too young, so he talked him 418 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: out of it week one. Jimmy came to him week 419 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: two and said he started Campbell period, that's it. And 420 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: sort of like he did with Eric year started that's it. 421 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: I don't want to hear it boom and and Jimmy 422 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: believed in the twelfth round kid twenty year old from TCU, 423 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: and you know the rest is history. And I appreciate that, 424 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: and uh, you know it's it meant a lot. Whose 425 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: place did you take? I took Manny Hendricks. Now the 426 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: ironic part was Ike Hope wasn't playing very well. But 427 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: Ike wasn't a guy that you could just go sit 428 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: down and um, you know, based on his personality. And 429 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if they go out to handle ike. 430 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: So they said many and uh, and I never forget this. 431 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: I went to Manny and I think, God, I credit 432 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: Manny Hendrick at this. I went to him. I again, 433 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: I'm naive. I went and apologize. I was like, because 434 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: Manny was like a mentor to me, and he said, 435 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: you have nothing to apologize for. He said, go do 436 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: a great job. You're gonna do good. And that changed 437 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: things for me, just to have that leadership and someone 438 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: who has been a mentor and a friend to me. 439 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: Because again, I'm a twenty year old rookie from TCU 440 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: twelfth round draft pick. I don't know anything, and Manny 441 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: really made it, made it easy for me. And Manny 442 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: headn't drinks came out of nowhere. If I remember correctly, 443 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 1: he was a basketball player. Yeah, and made it, Yes 444 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: as a rookie free agent. Yes, that's amazing. And I 445 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: didn't The other thing that I didn't realize I know now. 446 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: I was the only deepest fact they took that year. 447 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: So there was no other rookies with me in that group, 448 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, Ray Horton and Vince all Britain, and so 449 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: it was a veteran group I hold. So I was 450 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: the young guy of the group. I what a perfect 451 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: name or a guy knowing his personality. Imagine Jimmy tells 452 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: Campo that, uh that go tell Icole Benched? Yeah, what 453 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: do you mean? What do you mean? And I was 454 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: a rookie, so when I came into it was weird. 455 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: The first person I was naive. I came out of college. 456 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: So you pulled the word your hit pads and you're this. 457 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: They snatched all that stuff out of me, like, dude, 458 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: you're in the NFL. We don't wear you're a dB. 459 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: You don't wear knee pads. What have you been hitting 460 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: the knee? You know? We don't wear butt pads. So 461 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: I didn't know they didn't wear pads in the National 462 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: Football League. So most guys just had pants on, particularly 463 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: on the deepensive side, because you wasn't getting tackled. So 464 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: I learned a lot from those veteran guys. And I 465 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: didn't know guys drink before games and our smoked cigarettes 466 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: before came. So times have change that I learned a 467 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: lot that rookie year from that group. We may find 468 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: out a lot today. Yeah, you know, a guy smoke 469 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: cigarette before games? You know, you know what Randy White 470 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: has told me on many occasions that when he first 471 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: walked into the locker room, Uh, it was on Forrest 472 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: and Abrams. It was the old place. And I said, 473 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: what was your impression when you first walked into that 474 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: locker room? Because it was old, it was decrepit. He goes, 475 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: I walked in and we had these wooden stalls. He 476 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: goes in. On the edge of each wooden stall was 477 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: a cigarette ash tray, and he goes, I walked in 478 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: and there's three guys sitting in their locker before practice 479 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: smoking a cigarette. Yes. Yeah, And I wanted to say 480 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: that there's whole NFL film footage Dady Don Meredith smoking 481 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: and during a game like on the sideline. Believe I 482 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: was so young and didn't know anything. I didn't know 483 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: I made the team. So it was cut down the 484 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: day I asked the guy looked around and say, hey, 485 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: did I make it? He said, hey, did Bruce Mays 486 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: come after your playbook? I said no? He said, well 487 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: then you made it. I'm like, okay, great, you know 488 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: so you're starting. I didn't know anything, you know, so yeah, 489 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: I got I got so many I could store. But 490 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: you remember his block on the punt return to sew 491 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: up the vision or the wildcard birth. Yes, uh Philadelphia, right? 492 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: Were you out in special teams special teams? When when 493 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: Kelvin Martin returned it, I showed it. Yeah? Absolutely, did 494 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: you block somebody? I didn't block anybody. I got in 495 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: somebody's way, okay, because I wasn't. I wasn't at an angle. 496 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: I didn't want to get that block in the back, 497 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: but I got somebody's way. Well, I just laid the guy. 498 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: Their last guy at zero did on Kelvin Martin and 499 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: the ike comes out of nowhere and just blind side. 500 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: You can't do that, and you can't do it. You 501 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: can't do any more. You can't do it anymore. Yeah, 502 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: it was. It was would have been fined. Yes, he 503 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: would have been out is well, they don't find anybody 504 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: twenty six thousand back then, but it would have been 505 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: eight or nine probably, absolutely, that was. You remember how 506 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: cold it was that day? I do because I was there. 507 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: Cold was it? I'm guessing it was about fifteen twenty 508 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: degrees two? It was actually it was thirty eight degrees. 509 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: I thought it was cold there, didn't feel like but 510 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: it was a twenty two mile an hour win. So 511 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: the win, she'll made it twenty seven. Yeah, and really 512 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: on offense, nobody could do anything. It was like a 513 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: ten eight game going into the fourth quarter and the 514 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: Cowboys wound up winning twenty five to thirteen. And it 515 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: was at Kelvin Martin punt return uh that uh eighty 516 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: five yard punt return gave the Cowboys the lead at 517 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 1: fifteen to ten. I could still see them going right 518 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: up the middle of the field. And those were some 519 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: good teams, those Philly teams. They had some good team. Yeah, 520 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: and it was it was pretty amazing those games because 521 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: it was the following year in ninety two, the Monday 522 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: Night game where the Eagle Cowboys came into that one 523 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: unbeaten and the Eagles won that one thirty one seven. 524 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: But you got paid back not only in the regular 525 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: season but in the postseason. Two that the year they 526 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: had to play them back to back games. Now they 527 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: wasn't back to back because there was one year you 528 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: beat them the end of the season. Yeah, that was 529 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: then you had to play in the first game of 530 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: the playoff. The playoffs. All right, let me tell you this, 531 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: because you didn't do this in the first sec. Did not. 532 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,239 Speaker 1: WBC Mortgage brings you the Legend Show. For more than 533 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: forty years, SWBC has been helping people, companies, and financial 534 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: institutions prepare to win in Texas and across the country. 535 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: Visit SWBC dot com to learn more more of the 536 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: Cowboys Legend Show with Larry Brown. In just a moment, 537 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: back to the SWBC Mortgage Dallas Cowboys Legends Show, broadcasting 538 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: live from the Cowboys Club at the Star in Frisco. 539 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 1: Here's a pass in the flat booktop by the Cowboys, 540 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: Larry Brown by score at the thirty twenty ten out 541 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: of bounds at the six time line. It is a 542 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: runback of thirty two yards and Larry Brown, who set 543 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: up the only other score for the Cowboys here in 544 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: the second half, appears to be in a position to 545 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: set him up again. How about that Larry Brown Super 546 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: Bowl thirty that was his second interception of the game. 547 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: Jones with Mickey Spagnola and Larry Brown. Why didn't you 548 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: score on that? You know what? Um? Somebody caught me? 549 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: Did you think? You know? You know what? True story? 550 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: I didn't know this, You know you learned a lot later. 551 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: We were so tired after the game. I didn't realize 552 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: that defense played a lot of plays that game, so 553 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: our offense, you know, they didn't move the ball as 554 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: much as they would like socially the second half, so 555 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: it was a lot of snaps that we played. And 556 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: um so but look, if I get it to the five, 557 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: we can't get in from the six with him and 558 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: Troy and Mike. Hey, we need to do some different. 559 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: They worked out better that clock, and so think about that. 560 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: They scored twenty seven points. Uh in the game. It 561 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: ended up twenty seven seventeen. Yeah, and two of the 562 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: touchdowns you set up inside the five yard line, So 563 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: not only did he intercept the passes, but uh, he 564 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: returned him on that one. It was second and ten 565 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: at the Pittsburgh thirty two and they had already had scored, 566 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: kicked an on side kick, got it, score it again. Uh, 567 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: and then a couple of possessions later they get the 568 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: ball back again and you're only up twenty seventeen. That 569 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: on side kick that they got really changed the momentum 570 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: for them, and we weren't prepared for it. Then they 571 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: went to scored, So yeah, thanks, with the tide was changing. 572 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: You know how many plays the Steelers ran that day. 573 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: I'd say seventy one. They ran eighty plays that day. 574 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: Cowboys ran forty eight. Yeah, yeah, that was that was 575 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: the difference in there. And they're playing the probably on 576 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: side kick played a factor in that they got an 577 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: extra possession, right, score, that's my excuse. That's why to 578 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: score eighty plays. That's right, that's right, I'm dead. Cowboys 579 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: had ninety three plays on offense the other day. Yea, 580 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: how tired do you think the Eagles were with the 581 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: ninety three defensive plays? Oh, it's in cz it's crazy, 582 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: and but you know what, it's great for our defense. 583 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: We got a lot of resks. We got a lot 584 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,959 Speaker 1: of risks. All right. Danny Sirek has the wireless microphone. 585 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: Got a question from the crowd here at the Cowboys 586 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: club at the Star in Frisco. I do the first 587 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: question for you is from our friend Drisco from Frisco. 588 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: Drisco from Frisco. I like that. Hey, Kenny, Uh, I'm 589 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: gonna mention Uh. When Dion came into Cowboys, everybody kind 590 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: of knew he's coming, but they thought he's gonna replace you, right, 591 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: But it was Kenney Smith that he replaced because he 592 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: put what torps achilles tending or something that. Yeah, I 593 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: was to ask him on that game Sunday. There was 594 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: a lot of complaints leash from the fans, maybe some 595 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: of the announcers about the penalties and how many there were. 596 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: Some of them were fair, some weren't, weren't doing or bad. 597 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: The way they cover the cornerbacks, safeties cover the receivers 598 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: is a whole lot different when you were there, What 599 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: what you're feeling about the way they're doing. I mean 600 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: it looks like both are grabbing each other all the 601 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: way down the field. Yeah, I think it's a great question. 602 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: I think it's unfair. Uh. Defensively, it's hard to defend. 603 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: You you can't play a contact sport with no contact, 604 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: and as a defensive back now you almost can't touch 605 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: a receiver at all. But at the same time, they're 606 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: able to put their hands on you and push and shove, 607 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: so you're defenseless a lot of times, and it would 608 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: be very tough in today's time to try to cover 609 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: guys without any contact whatsoever. And Uh, but they do 610 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: allow offensive contact to the deepensive back. They don't allow 611 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: deepeness of contact, and I think that's very tough for 612 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: guys to cover, and I think it's very unfortunate. I 613 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: hope that the league didn't continue to make rules against 614 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: the defense. Hopefully you can balance it out a little 615 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: bit where it's fair. Unless you're Dallas Goddard than you can't. 616 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: They don't allow offensive contact on a consistent basis. It's 617 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: all against the defense, and I think I never wanted 618 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: to see this. Officials are deciding games now, yes, and 619 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: it is what it is. And when we played you, 620 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: you didn't really see that. I mean, officials are determining 621 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: outcomes of games. It is what it is, and I 622 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: think that's unfortunate. They're also determining careers and jobs, that's correct. 623 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: I mean, how would you like to be a defensive 624 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: guy laying on the ground the quarterback standing right next 625 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,479 Speaker 1: to you and you grab his foot and yank them 626 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: down and you get a roughing. But see, I blame 627 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: that on the NFL. They're setting those types of rules, 628 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: and I think that's again, it's it's absurd and what 629 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: are you supposed to do? You know, you let them 630 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: just keep going. So I think I think it's unfair 631 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: on the defense. And as a defensive player, I just 632 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: wish the rules were a little more fair inequitable. So 633 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: at the end of that Super Bowl, you guys survived. 634 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: We survive, maybe more than victoriously celebrated. Do you remember 635 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: the scene in the locker room afterwards? It was yeah, 636 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: you know, I think guys were relieved, they were happy, 637 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: you know, whenever you win it, you know. And for me, 638 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: I fortunately I started doing broadcasting when I when I retired, 639 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: and one of my jobs I had to cover the 640 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: Patriots played Carolina and Houston and my job was the 641 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: losing team locker room. And it was the first time 642 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: it hit me that I never I went over there. 643 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: Guys were crying, coaching were throwing stuff, nobody wanted to talk, 644 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: and it was a wake up call like wow, I 645 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: never had to experience that. You didn't even think about 646 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: that side because you won, you know, and guys are 647 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: happy and smiling and you know, and I remember Barry 648 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: Switzer was, you know, he's going here, you know, so 649 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: him and Jerry, you know, I think for them, they 650 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,959 Speaker 1: did it and so you remember that. But that's when 651 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: when I when I had to cover the losing team, 652 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: was really when it hit home, like wow, we went 653 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: three times and never had to experience that, and like, 654 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: thank God, because you don't even think that there's a 655 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,239 Speaker 1: loser and what that locker room looks like in our 656 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: locker room. Never never felt that way. And I don't think. 657 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if you were there, Bill Um for 658 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: that night, year you were there. The pressure that was 659 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: on this team after winning back to back in ninety two, 660 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: ninety three, Uh, Jimmy leaves, Uh, Barry Switzer comes in, 661 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: they lose the NFC title game at San Francisco. Yeah, okay, 662 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,919 Speaker 1: right right, and then you come back in ninety five 663 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, can they do this without and 664 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: the pressure was and then in December there's the fourth 665 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: and one in Philadelphia. Yeah, dumb and dumber, and lose 666 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,919 Speaker 1: to San Francisco in the regular season game and you're 667 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: gonna be You're not gonna have home field advantage, and 668 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 1: you're flying to Phoenix on Christmas Eve, correct and San Francis. 669 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: Green Bay beats Green Baby San Francisco, right, and you 670 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: guys ended up with the first seed. Now the pressure 671 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: is really on. Oh, you gotta win, you gotta Yeah. 672 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: I thought we knew. I think the thing that helped 673 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 1: that team was guys are so disappointed about what happened 674 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: the previous year, losing to San Francisco, not playing your 675 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: best game, So it was almost like a letdown. There's 676 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: one thing to play your best game and lose. It's 677 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: another thing to lay an egg. Every facet of the 678 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: team did not play well against that for it, so 679 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: we felt we lost an opportunity. So that pressure was 680 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: probably greater coming back the next year and said, hey, 681 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: let's let's go play and play like we can. If 682 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: we do that, we can play with anybody. So like 683 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: every season's gonna have some ups and downs, it is 684 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,879 Speaker 1: what it is. Even when we were in Super Bowls 685 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: with Jimmy, people think that we blew everybody out. We 686 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: played a lot of close not a close game, so 687 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: we understood that the season would go that way. But 688 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: we knew once we got to the playoffs that we 689 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 1: were not going to play the way we did against 690 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: that forty nine or two. Take me back to March 691 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: after that second Super Bowl win, when Jimmy and Jerry 692 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,320 Speaker 1: split up, and then Barry Switzer was hired as the coach. 693 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: What were the players thinking at that point? Well, I 694 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: think some of us saw it coming. You know, we 695 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: just new tension was growing. You know, Jerry's a businessman, 696 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: Jimmy's a coach, and you know, bringing guys in the 697 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: locker room before the game, whether it's the Prince of 698 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabian, I mean it drove Jimmy crazy. I think 699 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: that Emmett hold out. Uh that really hurt Jimmy. So 700 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: you start singing a different direction. And you know, so 701 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: when we were not surprised that Jimmy, we thought they 702 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: were working out. But when when Jimmy said that's it, 703 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: that's enough, A lot of guys wasn't surprised because we 704 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: saw things coming because Jimmy, you know, he expressed that 705 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: he felt a lot of times like hey, look, you know, 706 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: I know Jerry's bringing guys there, you guys the focus 707 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: on football. I mean, so there was just a difference 708 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,760 Speaker 1: and how you're gonna run that organization when they hired 709 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:48,879 Speaker 1: Berry five years but we all, everybody, like myself, knew 710 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,959 Speaker 1: Berry Switcher as a legend coach in college. He wasn't 711 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: just some smoke guy who didn't have a resume. The resume, 712 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: he was a guy that accomplished a lot in college. 713 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: And uh so we knew he was a good coach, 714 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: at least coming from college. We didn't know what type 715 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: of NFL coach. But when he came in, he laid 716 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: it on the line. He said, look, you know, it's 717 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: not all about me. We got a good staff of coaches. 718 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit up here and that like I'm 719 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: responsible for everything, bottom line. So my job is to 720 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: come in and manage this team. We got a good 721 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: staff of guys, and so he was I think he 722 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: laid it on the line. He didn't come in and 723 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 1: act like it's his show and he's running everything and 724 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: he's the boss. That wasn't his approach. And I think 725 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: some guys respected that. Some guys didn't, but most of 726 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: the guys respected him being honest, you know. And I 727 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 1: had the first inkling that things might not work out, 728 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: And it was way before those meetings in Florida. Jimmy 729 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: disappeared after the Super Bowl in ninety three for like 730 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: two weeks. I didn't see him at the ring. After 731 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: the super Bowl, right went to Florida. He had been 732 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: doing the Coach show on Kara l D And if 733 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: I remember correctly, part of the contract was they couldn't 734 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 1: pay him that money would go to the Cowboys. So 735 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 1: they gave him a boat, right and and and he went, 736 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: and he went to Miami and went fish fish for 737 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: two weeks. He came back and I saw him kind 738 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: of in the breezeway, headed out to the weight room. 739 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: And I was like, hey, where he'd been. And he goes, yeah, 740 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: you know, I got away. I did this, this and this, 741 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: And so we started talking. He goes, you know, that's 742 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: the first time I've been away for football more than 743 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: a couple of days since I took the head coaching 744 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: job at Oklahoma State, which was nineteen seventy eight if 745 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: I remember, or seventy nine. And I'm going, oh, he's 746 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: gonna find out there's something more than the life than football. Yeah, yeah, 747 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: And you know, and he and he and you know 748 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: he grinded right or grinded is that a word? Uh? 749 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: And And so when he got back, I was going 750 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: and he had pushed you guys as hard as anybody 751 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: could put question, no question. And I didn't know if 752 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: he could come back and push the buttons again even 753 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 1: harder to win a third one in a row. He did. 754 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: When he came back, he said, look, look, we I 755 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 1: know we can win another one. The question is do 756 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: you guys want to Are you willing to do everything 757 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: that it takes the same work that I mean, more work, 758 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: more effort, And guys actually got fired up. I think 759 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,240 Speaker 1: at that stage we knew Jimmy. Jimmy knew the guys. 760 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: Everybody kind of understood what he expected. So it wasn't 761 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: as complicated anymore. It wasn't Jimmy is really easy to 762 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: figure out. You know, you work your tail off, do 763 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: things the right way, be a professional, and be competitive, 764 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 1: and and and and be fearful, fearful life of your job. 765 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,399 Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring somebody behind you can take your spot 766 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: and let's compete. Let's go. So everybody kind of understood 767 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: what it was of what he wanted, what his expectations were. 768 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: You know. So from a players standpoint, we felt that 769 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 1: we can win four or five. There's no doubt about it. 770 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: And there's no question. Had he kept that team together. 771 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: And Emmett reminded me of this, I didn't know that. 772 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: I think our first team, we were the youngest team 773 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,920 Speaker 1: in the NFL superhohistory to win a Super Bowler were 774 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: the storyline was, Oh, these guys are too young. You know, 775 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: we slowly start seeing the team just guys go, and 776 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: I think some of it wasn't Jimmy. I think some 777 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 1: of it was Jerry, and I think that was some 778 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 1: of the divide. And the one thing that I appreciated 779 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: about Jimmy was you could believe what he tells you. 780 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: For better or for worse. It may not always been 781 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: what you here. Sometimes with mister Jones, it wasn't always 782 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: that way. And I would say this, Jimmy, for the 783 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: most part, if you the guys that made that team 784 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: deserved to be on the team, there were very few 785 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 1: guys who didn't deserve it, so to speak. So you 786 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 1: you earned it, and I think that started to transition 787 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: to more business stuff. You had guys on the team 788 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 1: for business reasons, not because they've earned and you know, 789 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: and enjoyed it, so that when we start seeing that change. 790 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: I don't think Jimmy wanted any part of that. You know, 791 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: he's not gonna lie to players, He's not gonna tell 792 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna be here when you're really not. He just 793 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,359 Speaker 1: wasn't that type of guy. He wasn't made up that way. 794 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: And if you didn't earn your spot on the team, 795 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 1: and you fell asleep in a team meeting. You weren't 796 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: on the team. He was thinking about the team meeting. Bill. 797 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if people know the true story about that. 798 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 1: We're talking about John Roper at him, and John was 799 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: a good friend of mine. John fell asleep four or 800 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 1: five times. So Jimmy goes to him. He said, John, 801 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: why are you sleeping? He said, well, I just had 802 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: a new baby, and this and that. He said, John, 803 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: how much money do you make? He says about a 804 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: half million dollars? He says, does your wife work? He 805 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: says no. He says, hire a babysitter. Why are you 806 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,399 Speaker 1: your wife doesn't work? You're making this town of money. 807 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: Why don't you hire a bit? Why are you watching 808 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: the baby? Why are you stand up all night? So 809 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: he's like, look, we need you. We're trying to win here. 810 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,399 Speaker 1: We need everybody. Folk said in these meetings, blah blah blah. 811 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: So it wasn't like it was one time, that's the 812 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 1: mistal screw part he did. It was a couple of times. 813 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 1: And he said, look, the next time you fall as 814 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 1: by meeting, I'm gonna let you go. So he did 815 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: give him a chance. So a lot of times people 816 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 1: think Jimmy was just cut through. He would give you 817 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: that chance. You got your friendly warning and if you 818 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: didn't do things, then that was it. That's like when 819 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: Kurt Curvin Richards, that wasn't the first time he fumbled. 820 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: That wasn't the first time, and he wanted gonna be 821 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,799 Speaker 1: back the next year anyway. But he did tell Curve 822 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,279 Speaker 1: and he said, look, we have to be able to 823 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,359 Speaker 1: give him and arrest. He said, I'm not gonna lose 824 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 1: a playoff game because you can't hold the ball. So 825 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: he said, look, stay after. So Jimmy didn't again gave 826 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,839 Speaker 1: him that opportunity. And Curvin was such a great guy. 827 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: You know, I love Curvin and you know and swerving 828 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 1: Swerven Curvin when he fumbled, and we knew that was it, 829 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: you know. Because now now Jimmy has to he has 830 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 1: to be a man of his word too. He's not 831 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,880 Speaker 1: gonna say something not come through. So yeah, all right. 832 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,319 Speaker 1: We continue with Larry Brown on The Cowboys Legend Show, 833 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,879 Speaker 1: brought to you by Finns United, where you can find 834 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,760 Speaker 1: game day gear for every Cowboys fan. Visit shop fans 835 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,879 Speaker 1: United dot com to find a location near you. Board 836 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: with Larry Brown in a moment back to the SWBC 837 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: Mortgage Dallas Cowboys Legends show broadcasting live from the Cowboys 838 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: Club at the Star in Frisco, NTCU, Number four hats 839 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 1: from the NFC Championship Game nineteen ninety five. Michael Buffer 840 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: doing the honors Larry our Legends guest here final few 841 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:39,400 Speaker 1: minutes with Larry Brown. Danny serec with the wireless microphone. Danny. 842 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,240 Speaker 1: The question now comes from John John from Gilmer, Texas 843 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: hil mactober Buck. Guys, guys, Yes, sir. First of all, 844 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,359 Speaker 1: I want to say thank you for saying them about 845 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: that about the officiating. We all think it. Glad you 846 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 1: said it. Next, I want to know about your experience 847 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: on Married with Children. Wow, there with Children. I had 848 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: a great time i Married with Children I had. I 849 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 1: grew up a fan of the show, who don't love 850 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 1: Al Bundy and that whole crew, and I had a 851 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 1: chance to do it with Roy Jones Junior and Bo Jackson. Now, 852 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: the funny part about the show is kind of weird. 853 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 1: Is one segment that I do. I talk about the 854 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 1: young ladies. Oh you like Bruce Jenner. You're right, So 855 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,880 Speaker 1: I had when Bruce Jenner transition. I had everybody calling me, 856 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,879 Speaker 1: texting me something about you called it that many years ago. 857 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,719 Speaker 1: So it was a weird episode. But we had we 858 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,400 Speaker 1: had a blast. We had so much fun. And Ed O'Neill, 859 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 1: I didn't know this, who's Al Bundy used to play 860 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: for the Steelers, so he played in NFL. I don't 861 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: know if it's a short time. So he was just 862 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,320 Speaker 1: so warm and it was great and we had a 863 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 1: good experience and it was I had the time of 864 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: my life. It was so much fun. So that introduction 865 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 1: for the NFC Championship game in ninety five, when I 866 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:56,439 Speaker 1: was trying to remind myself this guy here actually made 867 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,760 Speaker 1: the interception to get the Cowboys out of trouble against 868 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. He ended up beating him like 869 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: thirty eight twenty seven, but it was a tight game. 870 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: If I remember correctly, it was thirty one twenty seven. Uh, 871 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,360 Speaker 1: And you picked off Brett. Got Brett fav on the 872 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 1: sideline and I knew he would take a chance and 873 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 1: kind of gave him a little space enough just to 874 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 1: get him and throw it in there. Got got that 875 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,320 Speaker 1: pick and I think my return was only about fifteen 876 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 1: twenty yards, But it was a we had twenty eight. 877 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 1: Don't up yourself and set up the touchdown, up the 878 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 1: testing down to blow the game open. You know, it 879 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,359 Speaker 1: was like this. Jimmy used to say this all the time. 880 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,360 Speaker 1: The guys I'm gonna put on the field can make plays. 881 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: I never worry about it because somebody's gonna make a 882 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,160 Speaker 1: play and when you get your opportunity to do it. 883 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 1: So that's all you ever wanted to do was contribute 884 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,759 Speaker 1: help where you could, and when your opportunities came, to 885 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: make those plays. And that's all guys tried to do 886 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,360 Speaker 1: it that time. Do you ever like go to sleep 887 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 1: at night and hear him yelling who's gonna make the play? 888 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,320 Speaker 1: Like he would in practice? We just knew somebody, you know, 889 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,720 Speaker 1: we just knew somebody we had guys. Wasn't gonna be Woody, 890 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 1: wasn'nna be Kevin, whether it's gonna be Dion, whether it's 891 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,360 Speaker 1: gonna be Leon, Russell Merril and Tony Tolber, Charles. You 892 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: just knew somebody was gonna make those plays. Five postseason 893 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 1: interceptions in his career, as a matter of fact, three 894 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,320 Speaker 1: that that season in nineteen ninety five. All Right, so 895 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: last couple of minutes here, what do you think the 896 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,680 Speaker 1: chances are that this Cowboys team can make a playoff run? 897 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,759 Speaker 1: I think if offense is gonna have to be a 898 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,320 Speaker 1: little more efficient. I don't think, you know, ten thirteen 899 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: twenty points a week is gonna get it. But if 900 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 1: we can improve and get better on offense and continue 901 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: to get better, I think they got a legitimate chance 902 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 1: to make a run. Is anybody out there have you 903 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,360 Speaker 1: seen this team grow before your very eyes? Absolutely? You know. 904 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,839 Speaker 1: I think the other thing, I think we gotta get 905 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,440 Speaker 1: everybody healthy. You know, you got a lot of Tyron 906 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 1: Smith's been banged up, and Traffic Fred. They all a 907 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,600 Speaker 1: lot of guys been banged up. So if we can 908 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 1: get everybody healthy, get tackle Charlton Bruce, that's gonna be 909 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,800 Speaker 1: twill me, David Irv and all those guys back. We 910 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,319 Speaker 1: got a shot. And the good news is at least 911 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,239 Speaker 1: Sean Lee and Tavonusin we're on the field on a 912 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:06,320 Speaker 1: limited basis today actually with pads on and practicing, so 913 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,479 Speaker 1: that's a step in the right direction. Not sure about 914 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 1: what's going to happen with Zach Martin. That offensive line 915 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,239 Speaker 1: is kind of beat up. He may need a week 916 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: or so, but we'll see. I'm sure he wants a 917 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,880 Speaker 1: place going home down that's try. Here's what, Tam. He's 918 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,040 Speaker 1: a great returner. So you add a guy like that 919 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,560 Speaker 1: in the punt return game. He can bring that element 920 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,759 Speaker 1: to the team. All right, Larry Brown, it's been great, 921 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:32,359 Speaker 1: Heavy Macky. What are we doing next week? I may 922 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,879 Speaker 1: have a big surprise for you. I may know by 923 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: tonight what it's going to be a big surprise next 924 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,480 Speaker 1: week on the Cowboys Legend Show. Thanks for joining us 925 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,759 Speaker 1: this week, and we will see you again next week 926 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 1: where we'll celebrate a sixth straight win.