1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Can't f I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobelt podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: It's the John Cobelt Show. Louke Penrose sitting in for 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: John today. John will be back with us on Monday. 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: The company involved in the Coldplay concert kiss cam controversy, Astronomer, 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: has issued a statement. The board of directors have initiated 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: a formal investigation into the matter and we will have 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: additional information shortly to share. But everybody is aware of it. 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: I've never seen something go so viral so quickly, involving 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: two people that nobody's ever heard of and a band 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: that I can't name one song. I mean, this wasn't 12 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift and Travis Kelcey at a Rolling Stones concert. 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: This is the CEO and the HR person who nobody 14 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: knew before this morning at a Coldplay concert, and it 15 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: is everywhere. You cannot open your phone without seeing this video, 16 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: and then some play on this video, and now a 17 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: whole lot of humor regarding this video. Doctor Wendy Walsh, 18 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: you hear her on Sundays on KFI every Sunday at seven. 19 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,279 Speaker 1: Thanks for spending some time with us, Doctor Wendy Walsh. 20 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 3: So I want to hear your I WELLFI, thank you. 21 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: I really want to get your your initial reaction to 22 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: how quickly this became so viral? What does it say 23 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: about us? Why is it so? Yeah, it seems like 24 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: it is so relatable to so many people for some reason. 25 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 3: Well okay, well let me give you the science on 26 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: why it is relatable. While above, evolutionary psychologists think about 27 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 3: fifty percent of us are monogamous. Another huge chunk have 28 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,279 Speaker 3: what is called perceived monogamy. And so in some ways 29 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 3: we see ourselves. Women often use affairs to shop for 30 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 3: a new partner. Men use affairs just to have an affair. 31 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 3: But we know that it's pretty hard to get through 32 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 3: the lifespan and never experience it. Now, to have it 33 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 3: show up on a kiss cam and go around the 34 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 3: globe within minutes is the astounding part of technology and us. 35 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 3: But yeah, we see ourselves in. 36 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: It a little bit. 37 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: The reaction that they had I thought was very telling. 38 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: I mean they are clearly ashamed of themselves. I mean 39 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: one literally tried to drop out of sight. The other 40 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: tried to cover her face and knew that they were busted. 41 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: And there was no place to go. 42 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: You know, the biggest mistake they made was that it 43 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 3: was their reaction that gave it away. If they were 44 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 3: just two strangers on a kiss cam, they literally could 45 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 3: have just kissed each other like you were supposed to do, 46 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 3: and then the spotlight would go to somebody else and 47 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: nobody would have questioned it, nobody would have recognized them. 48 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 3: But the fact that they made a big deal about it, 49 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 3: which was an instinctual of course, shows that. And then 50 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 3: of course the lead singer Coldplay says, either that guy's 51 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 3: having an affair or he's really shy, like you read 52 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 3: the room right away, so you know they were busted. 53 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: They are busted, and everyone's talking about it. As I said, 54 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: I've never seen a story go so move so quickly, 55 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: involving two people that we don't know and no one's 56 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: ever heard of. I mentioned this in the last segment, 57 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: and I want to get your thoughts on this because 58 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: I've seen this happen. I'm not making excuses, I'm not apologizing, 59 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm not passing any judgment. I'm just saying I have 60 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: seen this happen in the corporate culture where people that 61 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 1: are in a very intense company, a company that's worth 62 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: one point was at one point six billion dollars a 63 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: startup tech company. And they work very closely together, and 64 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: they are both married. But you spend eight hours a 65 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: day with this person and you rely on this person 66 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: to help you solve your problems, and another person solves 67 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: your problems, and you work together, and it's long hours, 68 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: and it's forty hours a week at the very minimum. 69 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: The human condition is what it is, right. People will 70 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: event some eventually will develop a relationship, all. 71 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 3: Right, And it's not just at the high levels of 72 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 3: a corporate andronment. It happens at Wendy's Hamburgers. You know, 73 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: if you're just spending a lot of time working with 74 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 3: a coworker, you're going to get close. And the more 75 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 3: stress there is, the more you bond over a common enemy, 76 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: which is often the employer, et cetera. What I think 77 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 3: the Internet is really fascinated about this situation is that 78 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 3: the woman's role as the head of HR was to 79 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 3: inform people that you're not supposed to have affairs with 80 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 3: the boss and support the bosses. They're not supposed to 81 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 3: have affairs with underlings. Technically he's her boss, and so 82 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 3: she's breaking hr rule number one. I mean, that's what's 83 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: funny about it. But yeah, it's really common workwives where 84 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 3: husbands they get an emotional bond, and that is a 85 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 3: slippery slope. Look, there was research done once where they asked, 86 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 3: why if you had a choice and your husband saw 87 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 3: a prostitute for one hour once a week for the 88 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: same amount of money, would you prefer that for a long, 89 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 3: leisurely lunch with his assistant. The why they prefer the 90 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 3: prostitute because the long, leisurely loved lunch could turn into love. 91 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 3: And where the man's heart goes, his wallet eventually goes. 92 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 3: So we know that men can separate sex and love 93 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 3: easier than women. 94 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: I hear this term work wife. I don't think it's 95 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: a good idea. Words matter, that's one of my rules, 96 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: and that it conflates two very different things. That I 97 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: get it. It's just it's ingest and it's you know, 98 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: we all, you know, we have people that we rely 99 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: on at work and they're part of our lives too. 100 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: So I understand the evolution of the term. But I 101 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: think last night's Coldplay concert and the ensuing tragedy for 102 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: these two family, these four individuals, is the reason why. 103 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: Maybe the idea of having a work wife and using 104 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: that words, that that term so flippantly. Probably she married too. 105 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: Was she married to I didn't know that. 106 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: It's unclear she I mean she was. I don't know 107 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: if she's she's married, but I don't know if she's 108 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: in the process of being separated. That's a little unclear. 109 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: We're still learning about that. I've heard both. But you 110 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: use the company that. 111 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 3: We love to live salaciously through other people's lives. It's 112 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 3: just fun. And then we also get that feeling of 113 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 3: relief when where the voyeur. All of a sudden, we're 114 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 3: sayings because nobody's watching us, right, it's so much easier 115 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 3: to judge everybody else's. 116 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: Life, Doctor Wendy Wall, so good to check in with you. 117 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on on short notice. I'm sure you 118 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: all have a lot to say about this, and we'll 119 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: learn a lot more by Sunday. Sunday nights at seven 120 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: here on KFI AM six forty Well listen for you then, 121 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: Louke Penrose, and for John Coblt on KFI AM six 122 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. You're listening to 123 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: John Coblt on demand from KFI AM six forty. We 124 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: are updated now that the Coldplay kiss cam controversy is 125 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: making its way through the board of directors of the company, 126 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: and we'll continue to keep an eye on that. But 127 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: it is spectacular that this thing moves so quickly. I mean, 128 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: everybody has already created a meme out of it, or 129 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: repurposed it, or have had some fun with it, something 130 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: to say about it. Everybody's had their joke. As I mentioned, 131 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: Peloton is already doing a cold Play ride on Sunday. 132 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: Stub Hub had a joke. They're offering tickets to go 133 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: see cold Play for you and one of your coworkers. 134 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: A bit of advice if you are in a position 135 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: where you have authority over coworkers and some of them 136 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: are women, particularly if you are about the same age, 137 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: regardless if you're married or single, just keep it professional. 138 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I've seen this happen. I've seen it 139 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: happen in politics more than I've seen it happen in business. 140 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: But in politics it's work. Because I worked in Congress. 141 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: I was deputy chief of staff for three California members 142 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: of Congress, and Congress is way over there, so your 143 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: home is here, and your family is here, and your 144 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: heart is here, and everything is here. But you've got 145 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: to wake up on Monday morning or Tuesday morning and 146 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: drive to Lax and then take a plane over there, 147 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: and your passion is all there because you're running sixty 148 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: miles an hour all day every day until Thursday. Congress 149 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: basically works Tuesday to Thursday, and they try and get 150 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: everything done by Thursday and try and get out of 151 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: town trying as fast as they can. That's why all 152 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: the votes are scheduled early on Thursday, because everybody wants 153 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: to get to Dulles and get on a plane to 154 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: fly to fifty US states and California. Lawmakers have a 155 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: long flight. So then they come back here and they 156 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: immediately have to get back into their life lives with 157 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: their families. So relationships do grow back there, and that 158 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: of course causes marriages to fall apart. But it's a 159 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: different animal because it's a unique business and there are 160 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: there are only four hundred and thirty five members of Congress, 161 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: so it's it's a small pool in business. This goes 162 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: on all day every day. Right you go to work, 163 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: leave your life and your home and your heart and 164 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: go to the office, and then you and people call 165 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: it a work family, and I don't like that term. 166 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: I don't think you should be using the term work family. 167 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: I don't think you should have a work wife. I 168 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: think you keep it professional. I think all of those 169 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: words get into our psyche and begin to blur the 170 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: reality that your wife is at home. The only time 171 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: you should be using that word is in reference to her. 172 00:09:54,840 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: So I think you you already kind of cross a line. 173 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: I mean, unless you're gay, but otherwise, I think you 174 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: want to stay away from that language. I think you 175 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: start getting into whole things like this is my work family, 176 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: this is my work wife. I think you do that 177 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: at your own peril. Look what happened to this guy. 178 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: He got too close. He got too close to his 179 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: HR person. I guarantee you. I don't know if the 180 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: company has a history of HR problems. I feel like 181 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: HR is just a constant issue in large corporations or 182 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: corporations that have tremendous exposure. If a company is worth 183 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: a lot of money, it's got exposure. Let me tell you, 184 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: I know this. There are people in companies that are 185 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: looking to screw the company and cash out all the time. 186 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: Sexual assault allegations age discrimination. Oh I didn't get promoted 187 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: because I'm a woman and I'm over fifty five. Oh, 188 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: it's NonStop. I dealt with it in my professional career. 189 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: It's non stop. So you want to spend time building 190 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: the company. You want to spend time being creative. You 191 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: want to spend time turning a one point three billion 192 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: dollar company into a two point six billion dollar company 193 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: doing what you do. You can't. You don't have time. 194 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: Why because so and so is filed to complain. So 195 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: now you got to go talk with the HR person, 196 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: and you got to talk with the attorney. And is 197 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: it you're in house? Is it a general counsel or 198 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: are we contracting out an attorney with you know, Price Waterhouse? Like, 199 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: it's just it's it's troublesome to be the CEO. I've 200 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: been a CEO, and you spend all your energy putting 201 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: out these little fires instead of doing what you want 202 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: to do, which is be creative and guide other creative 203 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: people to go from good to great. So then the 204 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: people that handle these problems that you are not an 205 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: expert in but can guide you, they become your angels, 206 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: your problem solvers, and the HR person often is a 207 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: problem solver because they know exactly what you're supposed to 208 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: say and exactly what you're not supposed to say. It's 209 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: like impossible to terminate somebody in California. I was given 210 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: a script when I wanted to determinate somebody. Here, Lou, 211 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: this is what you have to say. I accept your resignation. 212 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: I interpret what you said as a resignation. I have 213 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: accepted it. The decision is mine. Here are three checks. 214 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: Please tell me if the information on these checks are accurate. 215 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: That was my script. That's the you can't talk because 216 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: you only open yourself up to liability. And when I 217 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: found that to be true, then the HR person became 218 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: like my guardian angel. I was like, so happy to 219 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: have her. Now, I didn't develop romantic relationship with her, 220 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: but I can see how that happens, and I have 221 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: seen it. So keep clear boundaries. Don't use terms like 222 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: work wife. Don't refer to your coworkers as your family. 223 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: You're the boss, not the father, and they're not your kids. 224 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: And yeah, and stay away from worker bees. Don't say 225 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: let me take you back here to where the slaves work. 226 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: Don't these are all bad ideas. Use professional terms at 227 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: all times. All right, coming up, we're going to talk 228 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: with the ABC Legal analyst from ABC News or Royal Oaks. 229 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: Two big stories. One, the Epstein thing just won't go 230 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: away no matter how angry Trump gets at his own supporters, 231 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: who just insist on keeping Epstein alive and stepping on 232 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: the lead of all the success that President Trump has had, 233 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: they insist on keeping this Epstein story going. And Trump 234 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: finally gave and said, you know what, whatever, I'll direct 235 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: the Attorney General to release whatever it is you want 236 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: from the grand jury report. And now people are saying, no, no, no, 237 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: not the grand jury Testif I want the file, we 238 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: want it all. So we'll talk with the ABC News 239 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: correspondent in legal analyst, ORYL. Oaks. And then also the 240 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal has stepped in and all of a sudden, 241 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: now after since twenty and sixteen, the Wall Street Journal 242 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: has tried to bury President Trump, and now here we 243 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: are twenty twenty five, he's president again. And now the 244 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal says we got dirt on President Trump 245 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: with respect to Jeffrey Epstein. So President Trump said, fine, 246 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: go ahead and I'll sue you, and he has and 247 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: the suit has been filed we'll find out what that's 248 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: all about. That's all coming up next on KFI AM 249 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: six forty Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app Lou Penrose 250 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: Info John Cobelt. You're listening to John cobelts on demand 251 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: from KFI AM six forty Lou Penrose Info John Cobelt 252 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: on The John Cobelt Show. Well, the Epstein story just 253 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: will not die, despite the President's very clear directive to 254 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: move on, leave it alone, and he's clearly getting pushedback 255 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: from some in his inner circle that has his ear, 256 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: because this is the first time that I saw President 257 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: Trump give and say, fine, you people are obsessed with 258 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: this story. So I'm gonna change my mind and direct 259 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: my Attorney general to release grand jury testimony. And I 260 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: hope you're happy. ABC News Legal analyst Royal Oakes joins 261 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: us the President is visibly, well not visibly, but he's frustrated. 262 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: I guess when you read the tone of his truth 263 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: social posts and other and they're always translated directly onto X. 264 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: He's definitely frustrated that somebody will not stop with this, 265 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: and they have. They clearly have his ear, and he's 266 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: decided to keep the story alive. What's going on here. 267 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're making a great point. I mean, it's so 268 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 4: weird really that there would be a feud within MAGA nation. 269 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 4: I mean, these are hardcore fans and they're essentially saying 270 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 4: that the president. Look, we are so into transparency. We 271 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 4: want you to drain the swamp, and you're doing a 272 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 4: great job, but we want the Epstein files revealed. And 273 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 4: of course what Trump has done now as you're reporting, 274 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 4: he told his Attorney General, Pam bondiok go to federal 275 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 4: court ask the judge to release secret grand jury stuff 276 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 4: that now isn't really so hot anymore because Epstein's dead 277 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 4: and his girlfriend's at prison. The other new development that 278 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 4: I know you've been reporting on is today Donald Trump 279 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 4: has sued the Wall Street Journal saying an ascle they 280 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 4: ran a few days ago saying, oh, Trump wrote a 281 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 4: birthday card to Epstein and has appropriate stuff in it, 282 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 4: so he's taking it to court now. It's kind of 283 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 4: dangerous because that opens up subpoenas and depositions and the 284 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 4: story will keep going. So in a way, it's surprising, 285 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 4: but we all know this is how Donald Trump rolls 286 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 4: if he thinks he's been abused he's going to take 287 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 4: you to court, and that will deter other people from 288 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 4: doing bad stuff to him. But however, you see, the 289 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 4: decision is just going to keep the story in the news. 290 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 4: And of course we don't know how quickly the ag 291 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 4: will go to the district court judge, but it'll probably 292 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 4: happen soon, and then there may be action in a 293 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 4: week or two, or federal judges sometimes sit on things 294 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 4: for a year. We just don't know. 295 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: I think President Trump has a better understanding of news 296 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: cycles controlling narratives than perhaps many of the very wicked, 297 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: smart people that surrounds him. And you know, he has 298 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: people around him that are truly, truly, you know, in 299 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: their minds concerned about justice, transparency, right, you know, all 300 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: those things. But I think Trump has a better understanding 301 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: of like, look, there's other things going on that are 302 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: really great for the average American that I want to amplify. 303 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: And now that will not be the lead story. The 304 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: lead story will be that I change my mind, that 305 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: you people, you know, maybe change my mind on my 306 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: Epstein position. And now we're talking Epstein all over again. 307 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: And frankly, it's been a successful week from the president's 308 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: priorities policy wise, and all those leads have been stepped 309 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: upon exactly what President Trump warn't against on Monday. 310 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right. I mean you can just. 311 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: Lou Penrose in for John Colebelt. John will be with 312 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: us on Monday. So just a moment to talk about 313 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: Stephen Colbert, the decision by CBS not to fire the host, 314 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: but to dispense with the institution of the show itself. 315 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: So a couple of things. I think Colbert has talent, 316 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: I don't like or I don't appreciate the material of 317 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: the monologue these days, and that it's across the board, 318 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: whether it's Kimmel on ABC or Folin on NBC. The 319 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: monologues have gotten ridiculously biased, and they're not funny, like 320 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: they're funny for an MSNBC audience, and they're not even creative. 321 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: They're effectively a headline from MSNBC or a news story 322 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: characterized by an MSNBC type editor, and then a gag. 323 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: So it's the headline, Donald Trump sucks yesterday, Donald Trump 324 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: cut funding to feed children, and then some gag, some joke, 325 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: and everybody laughs, and it's beat. It's not interesting. Now 326 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: it has an audience, there's no question about it, and 327 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: Colbert was leading that audience. Colbert's audience two point four million, 328 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: Kimmel at ABC in second place one point seven, and 329 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: Fallon at one point two, all of these handsome numbers 330 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: for late night, but Colbert like far ahead, like just 331 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: I mean, if you combine Kimmel and Fallon, Stephen, Colbert 332 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: almost is at that point. So a couple of rules 333 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: in the world of entertainment and the world of broadcasting, 334 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: popular always survives. So the fact that he's being pulled 335 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: and the show is being pulled even though it was 336 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: the most popular with the Big Three, raises a bunch 337 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: of questions. Now I'm being told that the show costs 338 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars a year to produce. That seems high. 339 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,239 Speaker 1: I can't figure that out in my mind. I'm not 340 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: sure what they're doing over there. I mean, it's just 341 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: a set. I mean, there isn't a whole lot going on. 342 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: It's a set. I get it. You got to pay 343 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: the writers and there's a whole crew, But it's a 344 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: static set. I mean, it's how many camera angles are 345 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: there for crying out loud? And it cost one hundred 346 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: million dollars a year to produce with one hundred employees 347 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: and forty million dollars a year, CBS says it's losing. 348 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: So look, they're a couple of things. I think late 349 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: night entertainment is fun. I grew up watching Johnny Carson. 350 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: Yes I'm that old, but I was a kid, so 351 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: my parents would let me stay up to watch Johnny 352 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: Carson if it was really important, like if Muhammad Ali 353 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: was on or something like that. And in college I 354 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 1: was watching Letterman, so which means I've been watching Letterman 355 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: on CBS since nineteen eighty six. And I did not 356 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: know the political persuasion of David Letterman most of my life. 357 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: Like it wasn't until late way toward the end of 358 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: Letterman's run when he got into some kind of an 359 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: argument with Bill O'Reilly. So Bill O'Reilly was a big 360 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: deal on The O'Reilly Factor on Fox, so he was 361 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: guesting on Letterman and they got into some kind of 362 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: an argument about politics. That revealed to me Letterman's political persuasion, 363 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: and it didn't bother me. But I'm telling you, for 364 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: most of my enjoyment of David Letterman, all my enjoyment 365 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: men of Carson, and all of Leno. Really, I had 366 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: no idea where these people landed politically. I don't know 367 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: if they were big liberals, you know, center right Republicans, libertarians, 368 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: or right wing wackos. I had no idea because they 369 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: were just fun and funny and reliably fun and funny, 370 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: and they could bring out the best in the world 371 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: of entertainment, the world of music, the world of the arts, 372 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: pop culture. Sure, from time to time the monologues were satirical, 373 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: but it was only like when we were in the 374 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: depths of ten percent unemployment during the Reagan years and 375 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: Carson might mention it, or there was some political scandal 376 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: during the Clinton years, right, and it might be mentioned, 377 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: how can you avoid it? But it wasn't a constant 378 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: trip hammer, and always with Trump arrangement syndrome. So I 379 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: think that is more of what's going on here. I 380 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: think these networks which are planning to be alive forever. 381 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: Remember President Trump will be president for four years. I 382 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: mean I have it here. We're one hundred and seventy 383 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: nine days into this Trump presidency, only one hundred and 384 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: seventy nine days into this Trump presidency. So if you 385 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: have Trump arrangement syndrome, you have twelve hundred and eighty 386 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: eight more days to go, so you better find a 387 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: hobby and occupy your mind because he's going to be 388 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: in the White House for twelve hundred and eighty eight 389 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: more days and you're just gonna have to deal with it. 390 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, the folks at these networks 391 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: are like, yeah, we want to be alive well after 392 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: Trump is no longer a factor, and the way to 393 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: survive is to get off this Trump hatent thing. Laura 394 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: ingram Over at Fox News wrote a book and the 395 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: title of the book was Shut Up and Sing, and 396 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: it was directed at elite pop stars that insisted on 397 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: sticking their foot into the political wars of the day 398 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: or the culture wars of the day. And I think 399 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: that's the right attitude and entertainment. Shut up and sing, 400 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: be funny, don't be snotty. Right, Leave it for the 401 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: folks on MSNBC to be snotty. There already is a 402 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: lane to be snotty in politics. It shouldn't be on 403 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: all three networks. In Late Night, Dolly Parton never and 404 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: she did have strong political opinions and strong cultural opinions, 405 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: but never shared them because they had nothing to do 406 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: with songs or country music or her craft. So and frankly, 407 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: it was a great time of the day to exhale 408 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: and just enjoy American culture, whether it's music, culture, arts film. Right, 409 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: it's eleven thirty at night, the day's over. I'm probably 410 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: not gonna last through the show, but i can make 411 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,479 Speaker 1: it through the monologue and then I'll go wash up, 412 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: brush my teeth, and go to bed. It'd be nice 413 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: to just enjoy wonderfully talented individuals, deliver a monologue and 414 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: not have politics shoved down our throat from one point 415 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: of view five nights a week. So there's my advice 416 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: to all you network execs. Lou Penrose in for John 417 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: Cobelt on KFI AM six forty live everywhere on the iheartradioip. 418 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 2: Hey, you've been listening to the John Cobelt Show podcast, 419 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 2: you can always hear the show live onfi I Am 420 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 2: six forty from one to four pm every Monday through Friday, 421 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.