Speaker 1: God, we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: Look at their faces, Look look at them all out there.
Speaker 1: Couldn't be done.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: We're here one hundred and six episodes in, and the
Speaker 1: Houston Rockets are the hottest team in the league. The
Speaker 1: Cavs called it hit a bit of a wall, and
Speaker 1: we're here to discuss that and the state of the
Speaker 1: Milwaukee Bucks with NBA analyst Ti Windish on today's episode.
Speaker 1: I'm files great and I'm Jack O'Brien, and this is.
Speaker 4: All right, hep, we're here. Ty Wendis is in the building.
Speaker 4: You cover the Bucks via the euro Steps.
Speaker 5: Great pronunciation.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was gonna say, however people pronounce it if
Speaker 6: they listen to the show.
Speaker 5: It's fine by me.
Speaker 1: Where you want to row regional, but people, some people
Speaker 1: can roll the R and I think that's yea, but
Speaker 1: I can't even do it. Yeah, so step past Yeah,
Speaker 1: Blue Wire and the you Step podcast network. Anyway, Ty,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us. Man. We appreciate you
Speaker 1: being here.
Speaker 6: Thank you guys for having me despite my my tardiness
Speaker 6: on the show. They don't know, I know, I know.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to be honest. I wanted to be
Speaker 6: audio honest with the listeners.
Speaker 1: You wanted to be honest and and you're also honest.
Speaker 2: Guy Jami is just being.
Speaker 5: Exactly.
Speaker 6: I can't hear that now when I whenever I hear
Speaker 6: someone say be honest, I think of be honest because
Speaker 6: I'm like to that broken stage of Bucks fandom.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 6: I get covering, podcasting, you know what, not fandom maybe.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I get that we should be honest
Speaker 2: with me, honest, don't do it, don't do it.
Speaker 1: We're having a serious discussion right now.
Speaker 2: I am being I am being honest.
Speaker 1: Being fanastis with you.
Speaker 2: What that doesn't even.
Speaker 1: Work, I know, But you were gonna get mad if
Speaker 1: I said, Yiannis that I had to let you thinking
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: You're being all fanasty with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, according to my analysis, this is what is
Speaker 1: going on. That's his podcast right the now.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, so the live show with Steve and
Speaker 6: I Smith, they're they're doing big things right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the Bucks for twenty five looks pretty long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the two seed. I mean unless something wild and wild
Speaker 1: and crazy happens. But I don't never happened to.
Speaker 6: The Bucks and the twenty three twenty four seas, and
Speaker 6: that would arm so far.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, but yeah, I mean, like Doc Rivers coming in,
Speaker 1: a lot of people were like this, the right thing
Speaker 1: will happened? Why is he here? Fourteen to eleven.
Speaker 2: Under were mocking him when they were asking that. That's
Speaker 2: why they were asking the questions about him. In his voice.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't do it. It was more like Robert Muller.
Speaker 1: I think what I was doing one time.
Speaker 6: In college, I had like totally lost my voice for
Speaker 6: reasons I will not specify in this podcast, Okay, and
Speaker 6: I could do a perfect for like one day and
Speaker 6: it was like the best day of my life. Obviously
Speaker 6: far before he was the Bucks coach, but we all
Speaker 6: know he was so distinctive, like my voice had to
Speaker 6: be gone. Yeah, I was calling people off like doing
Speaker 6: like on the court, we have a good day there?
Speaker 2: Like has his voice always been like that? I was
Speaker 2: coaching wear and tear. But then in like earlier in
Speaker 2: the season, I heard him on a podcast when he
Speaker 2: wasn't coaching, and his voice just sounds the same.
Speaker 5: It's permanent like that now.
Speaker 6: But what's a great question that I'm actually going to
Speaker 6: research after this pod is like when in life did
Speaker 6: his voice be call like was he in college at
Speaker 6: Marquette Like sounding like this as a young person, I
Speaker 6: can't imagine, but maybe.
Speaker 2: Right, I think we need to ask R. F. K
Speaker 2: Junior what happened there? You know?
Speaker 5: Yeah, we need some answers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet there's a lot of conspiracy theories, but
Speaker 1: who knows? Who knows? I mean, yeah, the the Thunder
Speaker 1: Thunder stopped buying. That was a bit of a blunder
Speaker 1: for the Thunder. Yeah, look, I'm trademarking that.
Speaker 5: Good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2: A bit of a blunder for the Thunder.
Speaker 1: For the Thunder, I was going to do that. If
Speaker 1: only they had maybe Ben Simmons played there, then I
Speaker 1: would have I would have been able to.
Speaker 2: Get do Rivers left them asunder?
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, A true poet and don't you but yeah,
Speaker 1: that was I guess. That was the first time since
Speaker 1: the beginning of February the team had Giannis Dame Ann
Speaker 1: Middleton in the lineup. That's true.
Speaker 2: I mean it kind of makes you wonder.
Speaker 6: It's actually we've we've been plundered from watching basketball because
Speaker 6: they keep being out.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think it was like the third or fourth game
Speaker 6: all three of them have played in the doc Rivers
Speaker 6: ten years. So again like the record is what it is,
Speaker 6: and there was some tough road trip moments with Doc.
Speaker 6: But also contributing to that was Chris Middleton missed so
Speaker 6: much time after Kevin Durant ended up in his landing area,
Speaker 6: so Chris sprained the ankle and the Bucks are just
Speaker 6: prohibitively careful with Chris Middleton. But yeah, it's hard to
Speaker 6: argue because the last two times he's been out for
Speaker 6: a significant period and came back, he looked pretty good
Speaker 6: when coming back, whereas they tried to rush him early
Speaker 6: last year from an injury and it did not work
Speaker 6: out very well.
Speaker 5: He had to go out again. It was just kind
Speaker 5: of a nightmare.
Speaker 6: So while there are Bucks people and just NBA people
Speaker 6: who are you know, very concerned and I think get
Speaker 6: you know, flight or fight or fight reaction when Chris
Speaker 6: is for any period of time, I do think the
Speaker 6: Bucks have learned how to handle it. But yeah, now
Speaker 6: that through the trio of them I saw Frank Madden
Speaker 6: shared today that they are the best three man lineup
Speaker 6: who have played at least six hundred minutes per net rating,
Speaker 6: so they have been dominant when they have played together.
Speaker 6: They just haven't played all that often together, especially not
Speaker 6: under Doc. But I think overall, despite there's been some
Speaker 6: low moments and the River's tenure as short as it's
Speaker 6: been so far, but also they've been a much more
Speaker 6: serious defensive team, and it seems like the players are
Speaker 6: just more bought into. I think some of Adrian Griffin's messaging,
Speaker 6: if not a lot of it, simply not getting through
Speaker 6: to this veteran team, and Doc seems to be doing
Speaker 6: that in a much better way. It also probably helps
Speaker 6: that we're just much closer calendar wise to playoffs now
Speaker 6: and the game's getting real serious.
Speaker 5: But I do think this Bucks team, you know.
Speaker 6: If they can stay healthy, which has been their biggest
Speaker 6: if for like three years, they're in a pretty good
Speaker 6: spot to go up against anyone, just with the top
Speaker 6: end talent some of the veterans they've assembled on this roster.
Speaker 2: Is it true that Adrian Griff was trying to install
Speaker 2: the play where like Giannis gets down on the ground
Speaker 2: and barks like a dog and it like distracts them.
Speaker 6: Is that I heard they wanted to do the ring
Speaker 6: around the Rosie played it suggested with Steph, where you
Speaker 6: just formed four players around dame and let him shoot
Speaker 6: because no one can get close to him.
Speaker 2: Technically around really fast.
Speaker 5: And I don't know why they tried it. I would
Speaker 5: try it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that never goes big with the veteran NBA teams.
Speaker 5: Which is why we're to play all the young guys.
Speaker 6: They would buy into some of these crazy pyramid plays
Speaker 6: and everything else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just trying to like picture what the practices
Speaker 2: were like. Like, I think he had like some kind
Speaker 2: of scheme based defensive stuff right that they weren't buying in.
Speaker 6: He wanted the first four I think the only lasted
Speaker 6: four games, but they were having Brooke Lopez blitz and
Speaker 6: he's seven feet tall and old and very large, and
Speaker 6: it just was not working and they gave up the most.
Speaker 6: I think they were last in the NBA and points
Speaker 6: out at the rim, which is a very non bucks
Speaker 6: thing when you be honest and set. Then you look
Speaker 6: at now they're back to like very very like zero
Speaker 6: basically against the thunder they don't allow any.
Speaker 5: But yeah they did. They did.
Speaker 6: Literally they ran around in a circle and danced and
Speaker 6: clapped the game after Griffin got fired. I mean it
Speaker 6: was I'm sure it was like a thing to do
Speaker 6: similar things all the time.
Speaker 5: But it was like, very much like Joe, Okay, they
Speaker 5: really wanted this to happen.
Speaker 6: This is like not this was not a surprise to
Speaker 6: the team as much as it was to everyone else.
Speaker 2: I guess it sounds like a witch is coming to me.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, listeners this podcast might not know
Speaker 2: how I feel about dancing, but I've been foot Lucian dancing.
Speaker 2: I don't know what was that thing for something?
Speaker 1: You heard it mass over the weekend.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just to you know, people in the woods
Speaker 2: dancing around. Yeah, can't good luck.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, like you said, seventeen and eight without
Speaker 1: Middleton this season, and you know, the posting I remember,
Speaker 1: like I was like in years past. I always remember,
Speaker 1: it's like when Middleton is not there, it's things start
Speaker 1: to wobble. Obviously, Damian Lillard is in there now, but
Speaker 1: I'm guess saying that's still very much a key piece
Speaker 1: because yeah, you're you're gonna need Chris Middleton, yeah, in
Speaker 1: the postseason to really kind of recreate the kinds of
Speaker 1: highs that you've experienced in the past.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 6: I think you look at you know it just logically,
Speaker 6: I think their their biggest are their worst moments without
Speaker 6: Chris is you know, Johannison Dame bottled up to the
Speaker 6: extent that they ever are. But you know they make
Speaker 6: the outlet right, you have to sometimes you bring three
Speaker 6: to that action. You force the ball to go somewhere else.
Speaker 6: And just the level of confidence you have in the
Speaker 6: team when it's Chris Middleton operating and basically a three
Speaker 6: constant three on twos right if you send three at
Speaker 6: the Dame and Gianni's action. There's been three Bucks offensive
Speaker 6: players and only two defensive players versus a j. Crowder
Speaker 6: or a Brook Lopez or Milik Beasley. Nothing that those
Speaker 6: are not skilled players, but just having someone who can shoot, pass,
Speaker 6: drive at the level Chris does. He's rocking on more
Speaker 6: than two to one. It'sis turnover ratio. He's had a
Speaker 6: bunch of big ass SISS games this season. It's just
Speaker 6: such a stronger offense and it makes it so much
Speaker 6: harder I think for defenses to key in on Damon.
Speaker 5: Be honest, and we've.
Speaker 6: Seen I mean again, they've they've been dominant when they
Speaker 6: played together, and it makes sense. I mean, there's you know,
Speaker 6: Chris is used to kind of being the one a
Speaker 6: ball handler alongside Drew Holliday. Now getting to really be
Speaker 6: the third distinctly third guy is a really advantageous spot
Speaker 6: for him. And he's you know, responding by leading the
Speaker 6: NBA in mid range field goal percentage and shooting forty
Speaker 6: plus percent from three and all these other things. So yeah,
Speaker 6: I think him being out there is certainly huge for
Speaker 6: this Bucks team.
Speaker 2: All right, pitch me the Bucks so that my NBA
Speaker 2: philosophy this season is just like I'm rooting for everybody
Speaker 2: except the Celtics. Yeah, the Celtics the field. To be honest,
Speaker 2: You're catchphrase, what is what's the like? How do the
Speaker 2: Bucks match up against the Celtics?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 2: How make me feel confident in rooting for the Bucks
Speaker 2: as the potential spoiler to this Celtics season?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I think it really does come down to those three players, specifically,
Speaker 6: I think the big two. I mean, I think the
Speaker 6: idea behind the Bucks generally and certainly against the team
Speaker 6: as great as Boston is. That's fine if you have
Speaker 6: like the deeper team, there's just nobody on your team
Speaker 6: who can guard this two man action, and we can
Speaker 6: figure out enough defensive leaks.
Speaker 5: We do have Giannis on the back line.
Speaker 6: We do have some tough veteran defenders like Crowder and
Speaker 6: Patrick Beverly, and of course Brook Lopez is going to
Speaker 6: have some trouble in that series, I'm sure, just because
Speaker 6: they stretch them out with all their spacing with their
Speaker 6: bigs Horford and Porzingis. But I do think it comes
Speaker 6: down to, Okay, if Jannis and Dame are on and
Speaker 6: locked in, and Chris is playing and playing well, I
Speaker 6: think they can beat anyone, just because even the Celtics,
Speaker 6: with all these great defenders, they don't have two guys
Speaker 6: you can stick on both of them and be comfortable
Speaker 6: switching it. And I don't know if they have anyone
Speaker 6: that you feel comfortable guarding Giannis one on one period.
Speaker 6: And that's been the real thing that I think we've
Speaker 6: learned this season, is like, even though Dame is not
Speaker 6: being he hasn't shot the ball well all year, he
Speaker 6: is lately.
Speaker 5: Which has been great to see.
Speaker 6: He's been an elite three pull up three point shooter
Speaker 6: in the last month or so. But just the attention
Speaker 6: he gets makes life unfairly easy for you, honest, which
Speaker 6: is why he's on pace for and probably going to
Speaker 6: hit the first thirty points on sixty percent from the field.
Speaker 6: Season Ever, I think he shot seventy one percent against
Speaker 6: the thunder like teams show two to Dame. Giannis now
Speaker 6: has an advantage and he's just eating ridiculously.
Speaker 5: So really the blueprint is that.
Speaker 6: I mean you look at when those Giannis played the
Speaker 6: Celtics last in the playoffs. He averaged like thirty thirty
Speaker 6: four and seventeen rebounds without Chris at all, and so
Speaker 6: just him and Drew Holliday and basically role players. So
Speaker 6: I think it's really just like, Okay, giannest is set
Speaker 6: up to rampage. The help is better than it's ever been,
Speaker 6: even though the defense is worse. The offense should just
Speaker 6: be like ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it all right. I Mean my instinct
Speaker 2: has been it's the Bucks have the best chance. Everybody
Speaker 2: else is, yeah, just getting in the way. So let's
Speaker 2: let's get a healthy buy team to the Eastern Conference
Speaker 2: Finals against the Celtics, and.
Speaker 6: I would love to throw Miami at them round one though,
Speaker 6: and just see, yeah.
Speaker 5: Let's just see right like he looked dead. That's never
Speaker 5: stopped them before.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm in what what I mean, like, what effect
Speaker 7: do you think that the game against the thunder Hat
Speaker 7: on the m v P race at all, because I
Speaker 7: know that was like a time we're like, hey, we
Speaker 7: get to see Shaye.
Speaker 1: We get to see honest Shaye looked. He only had
Speaker 1: twelve points. What the three rebounds, two assists, I think
Speaker 1: or something like that, and a lot of.
Speaker 2: People are like I was watching, I was like, he
Speaker 2: should score more.
Speaker 8: I think, I think, yeah, yeah, but like, I mean,
Speaker 8: it's uh, I know for a lot of people now,
Speaker 8: people are like they're like, yeah, man, Shae is a
Speaker 8: joke or whatever.
Speaker 1: Like I think, we there's so much reactionary stuff that
Speaker 1: happens that at the end of the.
Speaker 2: NBA fanning your head.
Speaker 1: Look the real fans that I thought of my group threads,
Speaker 1: it's nothing but unhinged reactions. It's like this guy was
Speaker 1: a joke from the beginning of this guy he could
Speaker 1: only score at the free throw line. It's like EmpId
Speaker 1: last year, man, Like that's the kind of those are
Speaker 1: the kinds of things like it.
Speaker 2: But anyway, it can be less.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't get to the stripe. Don't how many
Speaker 1: points did you really get? But anyway, I mean, like,
Speaker 1: how did that I mean, like, what is the what
Speaker 1: does the MVP lotter even look like? Right now?
Speaker 5: Man, I feel like it's just furned it up for you,
Speaker 5: o Kich.
Speaker 6: I think was already it could become first place, and
Speaker 6: it's probably going to finish there again, which I mean,
Speaker 6: I think it should be that this game, and there's
Speaker 6: another Bucks Thunder game on the menu that I would
Speaker 6: expect Shay to play quite better against the Bucks in
Speaker 6: in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 5: I'm very interested to see that game.
Speaker 6: We'll see how many people the Bucks send, with it
Speaker 6: being toward the end of the season, how serious they
Speaker 6: are in that game.
Speaker 5: I hope serious.
Speaker 6: I like when they played the top teams well and competitively.
Speaker 6: I think because they've had so few games with the
Speaker 6: top three players under doc, they should try and maximize
Speaker 6: these games. But they did against the Thunder. But I
Speaker 6: think it should give be Honest a little bit of
Speaker 6: propellant toward being more mentioned.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think he's.
Speaker 6: Kind of been like always one of the last guys
Speaker 6: thrown in almost like I know I have to say Honest,
Speaker 6: I'll get in trouble, but I really don't want to
Speaker 6: vote be Honest for MVP. I think part of it
Speaker 6: this year is the Bucks have had this weird, uneven season.
Speaker 6: But on the other hand, they've got the top net
Speaker 6: rating against top ten net rating teams, so they've played
Speaker 6: really well against good teams and then very poorly against
Speaker 6: the Wizards of the World and they got smoked by
Speaker 6: the Grizzlies and things like that. And be honest, I
Speaker 6: would argue has been the stabilizing force that has them
Speaker 6: pretty locked in a second in the East, despite firing
Speaker 6: a coach and everything else that's happened, and you know,
Speaker 6: building a roster with all offensive players to compliment Drew
Speaker 6: Holliday and then trading Drew Holliday for the ultimate offensive
Speaker 6: player and Damian Lillard, and yet they still win a bunch.
Speaker 6: They're still very good when their main players play, they're
Speaker 6: still great. I think Giannest that kind of speaks season
Speaker 6: he's had. I think we've seen that work for some
Speaker 6: candidates before, so I hope it got him more in
Speaker 6: the convo. But I'm not gonna realistically expect that Joannest
Speaker 6: will win MVP. I think Jokic probably has it, and yeah,
Speaker 6: I think I'm more okay with that than if someone
Speaker 6: like Shae had won it.
Speaker 5: I do think.
Speaker 6: I do think you should have to be a certain
Speaker 6: tier of player, like a very, very very top tier player.
Speaker 5: I think Jokic is.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure Shaye is there yet, although he's was
Speaker 6: certainly knocking on the door of this season, I'm not
Speaker 6: gonna knock him from that just for this one game.
Speaker 2: Is Jiannis meenor this season?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 2: Is that? Is that just the a handful of stories
Speaker 2: that have broken through, or is he like gotten a
Speaker 2: bit of a chip on his shoulder this season that
Speaker 2: he didn't have.
Speaker 5: I think he's had a chip on his shoulder for
Speaker 5: a couple of years now. I think.
Speaker 6: I mean the way their playoff runs have gone the
Speaker 6: last two years. I mean, this is a guy as
Speaker 6: competitive as he is. I mean, I'm sure every year,
Speaker 6: right it's his goal to go win it all, especially
Speaker 6: after they did. I mean, you know, the out of
Speaker 6: can you win it in Milwaukee was erased in twenty
Speaker 6: one and then twenty two. It's like, Okay, you lose,
Speaker 6: you lose in seven, you almost had him in six.
Speaker 5: You blow it. But you know, no one likes to
Speaker 5: make excuses.
Speaker 6: One of your best three players didn't play a single
Speaker 6: minute the series, and the team that you lost, you
Speaker 6: went out of the finals. In retrospect, that's a series
Speaker 6: where you're like, okay, you.
Speaker 5: Know, ye you lose those most of the time, right, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Then last year he gets kind of hurt, but still
Speaker 6: something was just wrong. It seemed like coach Mike Budenholzer
Speaker 6: had kind of you know, his message wasn't totally resonating
Speaker 6: with the team, some quotes gotten afterward, and you know,
Speaker 6: had some missteps. Of course, had you know, personal tragedy
Speaker 6: happening off the court, which is horrible, and his family,
Speaker 6: but was just kind of not seem like the fit anymore.
Speaker 6: So then this new coach Griffin gets the endorsement of
Speaker 6: the Honest, things go horrible. I feel like it's been
Speaker 6: a pretty trying time for the Honest Bucks experience the
Speaker 6: last couple of years. So I do think there's certainly
Speaker 6: something to prove. And I honestly think there was an
Speaker 6: idea that he was like on the decline. I mean,
Speaker 6: there was some very popular takes on the old X
Speaker 6: machine that you know, always passed his physical prime.
Speaker 5: He's probably done. Is Dame going to be their best
Speaker 5: player this year?
Speaker 1: That's actually well, my friend group texts actually who are
Speaker 1: saying that people.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they do.
Speaker 2: They are those people don't by the Bucks organization to
Speaker 2: just like generate bullet board material for you, honestly like that.
Speaker 5: I don't think he.
Speaker 6: I don't think he actually sees it. I don't really
Speaker 6: don't think he does. I think maybe stuff that like
Speaker 6: the TV stuff, but I don't. I hope he's not
Speaker 6: one of the the Twitter guys.
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't want the franchise player.
Speaker 6: I don't read the everyone's an idiot on the stay
Speaker 6: of myself mainly included, so don't read about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how last question on the Bucks, how do you
Speaker 2: feel like they are situated for like, it feels like
Speaker 2: we're seeing a tighter whistle the last like two three
Speaker 2: weeks than we've seen in maybe a decade. How do
Speaker 2: you think they're set up to deal with that?
Speaker 6: I think most of most the most for the most part,
Speaker 6: very well. The one part they're not is just Dame
Speaker 6: had already not been getting a great whistle, I guess
Speaker 6: by his standards, and had been frustrated about the whistle
Speaker 6: he has gotten, especially on drives. They really do not
Speaker 6: give him continuation. When he does, he gets fouled and
Speaker 6: he's going to pull up, which, frankly, the way they
Speaker 6: say the rule, like I'm fine with. Like, by the
Speaker 6: letter of the rule, it shouldn't be continuation if you're
Speaker 6: getting fouled.
Speaker 5: If you get fouled and then pull up, they're saying
Speaker 5: it's not continuation anymore.
Speaker 6: Although I do feel like it's been legislated pretty tough
Speaker 6: on Dame in particular, But outside of that, for the
Speaker 6: Bucks on the other end, I think it's great. I
Speaker 6: think it's helped this defensive run for them in a
Speaker 6: big way. I think something Doc Rivers has emphasized is
Speaker 6: like putting the fear back and fear the deer and
Speaker 6: just being a really physical defensive team.
Speaker 5: And you watch them now on screens.
Speaker 6: I mean they just push guys around screens like that's
Speaker 6: how they do screens now, and they really disrupt actions,
Speaker 6: they disrupt back door cuts by doing it, and they're
Speaker 6: really I mean, they're getting away with it. They're allowed
Speaker 6: to defend more physically, and guys like Malik had to
Speaker 6: step up and be their wing defender just because gotta.
Speaker 5: Looked her out and Okay, there's nobody else to do it.
Speaker 6: I guess it's me, and props to him for taking
Speaker 6: that on. That's certainly not his rep but uh, I
Speaker 6: think it's allowed them to lean into that, to own
Speaker 6: the paint more, to be more physical contesting at the rim,
Speaker 6: and it's it's really I think, kind of bringing back
Speaker 6: their culture from a few years ago when they were
Speaker 6: going to the finals.
Speaker 2: Man, I hate when I'm like in a situation, I
Speaker 2: look around and I'm like, oh, I'm a muscle. I'm
Speaker 2: a muscle. That's right, Okay, all right, guys, I guess
Speaker 2: I'd better take care of.
Speaker 1: This, Luca.
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, all right, Let's let's take a quick
Speaker 2: break and we'll come back and talk about the rest
Speaker 2: of the league. We'll be right back, and we're back.
Speaker 1: We're back.
Speaker 2: Miles just said bring us back, Daddy to me and
Speaker 2: just felt good. Cool. Anyways, we weren't even check them
Speaker 2: with with ah, I'm a little I'm a little out
Speaker 2: of sort.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: They come there my stomach, but they come up through
Speaker 2: my throat. It happens, it happens. We wanted to check
Speaker 2: in with teams who have already beat their win total
Speaker 2: projections for this season, who because it's easy to lose sight,
Speaker 2: like we're like, oh, yeah, okay's good this year. Right,
Speaker 2: we knew that Minnesota is good this year. Okay, See
Speaker 2: in Minnesota have both already beat their win total projections
Speaker 2: for the whole season by five wins. Wow, they're already
Speaker 2: five wins. That's the most of I guess them and
Speaker 2: the Magic are but are tied. All all three of
Speaker 2: those teams are already five wins above their projection for
Speaker 2: the whole season with like a dozen games left. About
Speaker 2: the Rockets, who were about to talk about are already
Speaker 2: over their win total by three. You know it's they said,
Speaker 2: they said, you know, coaching doesn't really matter that much anymore.
Speaker 2: It's all about the players. But this guy just gets
Speaker 2: it done. Yeah. I will say though, Boston had the
Speaker 2: I think we're projected to have the most wins in
Speaker 2: the whole league this year in the preseason, and they've
Speaker 2: already beat their win total by two Jesus like they
Speaker 2: were objected to be the best team in the league
Speaker 2: and with twelve games left, they've already beat their projections.
Speaker 2: Pacers already two wins up on their projection. Pelicans just
Speaker 2: hit theirs or are about to. But the Rockets let's
Speaker 2: talk about the Rockets there. They've won eight in a
Speaker 2: row and now they're just a game back of the
Speaker 2: Warriors and some other team from the West whose name
Speaker 2: I can't remember.
Speaker 5: People talk about very often.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's easy to forget who they are, you know,
Speaker 2: as the bottom of the plan. But they the Warriors
Speaker 2: are looking not great, and you have.
Speaker 5: To say, you're not scared of the team behind you.
Speaker 6: You're not in a good spot a franchise typically that's
Speaker 6: not you never want to.
Speaker 2: Hear that, right, right, Remember the beginning of the season,
Speaker 2: just like in terms of like getting some perspective on
Speaker 2: this season, the Warriors were like kept getting into fights
Speaker 2: with the Timberwolves, and people were like, I think this
Speaker 2: means like the Warriors are taking the Wolves seriously. And
Speaker 2: now it's like, yeah, no, the Wolves are way better
Speaker 2: in the Golden State by like quite a bit, by yeah,
Speaker 2: a healthy margin. They didn't need. They weren't doing the
Speaker 2: Wolves any favors by being like, that's it, we're taking
Speaker 2: you seriously enough to like cheap shot you. So I
Speaker 2: don't know. The Warriors have hadn't had plenty of fun,
Speaker 2: so I don't feel too terrible for their franchise. No,
Speaker 2: but yeah they the Rockets are storming from behind, and
Speaker 2: I think they might do it. I think they might
Speaker 2: get into the play in in EMA's first season there
Speaker 2: and Jalen Green Man Jalen Green.
Speaker 6: As if Nets fans haven't had it bad enough this season,
Speaker 6: we have to get this another round of reporting of like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: they wanted to trade Jalen Green there just so you
Speaker 6: guys know, enjoy firmly eleventh in the East and he's
Speaker 6: on an absolute tear and kind into that potential people
Speaker 6: saw for him. It does make you think though about
Speaker 6: these young guards, like how many people wrote off Scoot
Speaker 6: Henderson already.
Speaker 5: It's like it takes time man, especially guards on the ball, I.
Speaker 6: Feel like take the longest usually, And it's been really
Speaker 6: fun to watch Jalen Green from the recent announced to
Speaker 6: be later to see Gee League Knight team.
Speaker 5: Go on this crazy roud.
Speaker 6: I mean, the schedule has help the Rockets for sure,
Speaker 6: but I think that's a player who people have kind of.
Speaker 5: Been waiting for more to happen.
Speaker 6: And I always like to see those guys who have
Speaker 6: been kind of gone through the already gone through a
Speaker 6: news cycle because the NBA is the NBA of like
Speaker 6: he's done. He was he's a boss, you know, bad
Speaker 6: pick whatever. To see those guys come out and play, well,
Speaker 6: I'm always like that's cool, good for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. I remember we were like what, I mean,
Speaker 1: what's Fred van Vliet doing going down there? And like
Speaker 1: what are they doing? Dylan Brooks like are they for real?
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's they were like overpaying, but not like
Speaker 2: maxing out overpaying. It was just like that's a lot
Speaker 2: for him, but it's not. It turns out it's not
Speaker 2: that they haven't really overspent and they're not like locked
Speaker 2: in for I don't know, it feels okay, they feel
Speaker 2: like they're in a good position.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, it's like they just got the right just
Speaker 1: just enough vet in there, yeah, to make it all
Speaker 1: make it all click for them. And I think a
Speaker 1: part of me, I mean, I'm I was talking with
Speaker 1: producers Jo Bar, I'm like, do we want to play
Speaker 1: the Warriors or do we want to play the Rockets
Speaker 1: or are we even are we going to fail? Are
Speaker 1: we even gonna be? I don't know, but I am.
Speaker 1: I am partially terrified of the Rockets a little bit
Speaker 1: more than the Warriors. I mean, they're both equally horrifying,
Speaker 1: but like just knowing. Like at first Jabar was like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and then Shinnoo might be back in my way.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought it was a season ending injury.
Speaker 2: Wait no fair, no, no, no no you said no yeah
Speaker 2: no you said you said he's an ending.
Speaker 1: You can't say, can't do that, can't do that, can't
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: They're five, they're fives losing shng doon uh And I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure Bill Simmons on his podcast was like, did
Speaker 2: you trade cheng Goon? What do we here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Remember Sillo always going full second person where you like
Speaker 2: can't tell who he's talking about. He's like, then you're
Speaker 2: coming in and You're like you know, then you're gonna
Speaker 2: tell me? Then you're that, and I mean you're I'm like,
Speaker 2: what who am I? At this point, I'm so few
Speaker 2: love those guys, love their show. It just we're poking fun.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he was like Jaalen Green, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: he got Bill Simon's got some smoke for saying something
Speaker 2: bad about Jayleen Green in seasons past, and now he's
Speaker 2: ready to blow it up. A trade Sengoon in favor
Speaker 2: of Jayalen Green, who I think he compared to young
Speaker 2: Kobe bro young Cob.
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, okay, oh yeah, we don't have to
Speaker 6: go all the way, one way, all the way.
Speaker 5: He's having a really nice run in March. Can we
Speaker 5: just enjoy that? Do we have to? All Right, here's
Speaker 5: his Hall of Fame case.
Speaker 2: Shooting fifty six from the floor and fifty percent from deep.
Speaker 2: That's where I'm like.
Speaker 5: All right, totally sustainable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, either the greatest shooter that we've ever seen of
Speaker 2: all time or you know, he's he's on a bit
Speaker 2: of a hot streak.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Udoka led the Celtics to a fifteen
Speaker 2: game improvement in his first year with Boston in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, twenty two, and he's already thirteen games better,
Speaker 2: uh with with these Rockets with twelve to play in
Speaker 2: Houston in his first year at the Helm. Like I
Speaker 2: don't know, it does make does make you kind of wonder, like, man,
Speaker 2: there he was just there, just there for people to hire,
Speaker 2: and you know, for there's a it's a bigger story
Speaker 2: than that. But at the same time, you talk to
Speaker 2: any team that is struggling right now, and I think
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of them would be like, yeah, that
Speaker 2: would have we would have we wouldn't have minded that, yeah,
Speaker 2: lak yeah, yeah, not that the Lakers are struggling, but I'm.
Speaker 1: Just well, no, come on, just be real weird we are,
Speaker 1: we are struggling. You know, we were saying, you could
Speaker 1: I can care less about my Lakers drugger ling. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's anyway, that's that's for another time, another time. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I I do. I think it would be really fun
Speaker 1: to see the Rockets sneak in there because it just it's.
Speaker 5: Just a.
Speaker 1: No and even but I'm saying my expectations are so
Speaker 1: low as a Laker fan. I'm like, I'm notou to
Speaker 1: be like they're going to stop us from winning the championship. No,
Speaker 1: you know, but because we already had our time to
Speaker 1: secure a better seed, and we just every time that
Speaker 1: opportunity present itself, we're like, well, I don't know what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do on just lay down and die. So yeah,
Speaker 1: in that sense, I'm more I'm here for the narrative.
Speaker 1: I'm here for the I'm here for the eventual uh
Speaker 1: you know, bio pick that would come out based on and.
Speaker 5: What does it do to the Warriors.
Speaker 6: If it's the Warriors, so they're the ones swear intenth
Speaker 6: and a game up or whatever, what does their summer
Speaker 6: look like if they don't make the play in and
Speaker 6: a healthy stuff season.
Speaker 5: I mean, like we're mostly healthy.
Speaker 6: I don't know, he's not gonna play all eighty two,
Speaker 6: but it's not like that one a couple of years
Speaker 6: there where he plays like twenty games and they're bad.
Speaker 5: It's like, okay, close out Steph barely played, Like what
Speaker 5: are you going to do? This is like a hey,
Speaker 5: we should be competing up.
Speaker 6: Wiggins has been kind of some stuff, and Draymond's been
Speaker 6: in and out because he keeps getting in trouble. But like,
Speaker 6: this should be a season where we're still pretty good.
Speaker 6: If you don't even make the play in. I mean,
Speaker 6: I know the West is good and know everything, but
Speaker 6: that's I would imagine that that gets you a pretty
Speaker 6: active summer if you do not make the play in
Speaker 6: with a prime Steph Curry on the roster, right, that's
Speaker 6: actually I'm not even going to qualify that's prime.
Speaker 5: He's still he's still awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he really is. It doesn't feel like I
Speaker 2: don't know what I expect to see them do, though
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Oh, I have no idea. Someone should call Kevin Durant.
Speaker 5: That seemed to work for them.
Speaker 2: Last time I did, they were pretty good. Run it
Speaker 2: back Calves, Like, I can't remember a single loss damaging
Speaker 2: a team's reputation as much as the Calves losing to
Speaker 2: the Heat on Sun Day. I mean they it's not
Speaker 2: a single They're three and seven or the last ten
Speaker 2: and they just don't look that good without Donovan Mitchell
Speaker 2: missed the last four games due to a nasal fracture.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Miami just smoked them in a way that
Speaker 2: people seem to find pretty convincing. Yeah, despite the fact
Speaker 2: that the Calves are a third in the East.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when you compare that to the other teams, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the other teams in the top six, they're six and
Speaker 1: four or better during that same stretch, You're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's Uh, I'm not a petition.
Speaker 6: You can't hang the hat on the injury thing, because
Speaker 6: the Knicks are there too, and they, I mean they
Speaker 6: had their own three and seven run. I think they
Speaker 6: really just had no one playing right and they weren't
Speaker 6: getting as beat as bad as these Calves were Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I was just saying before we record,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I remember last season, we're like, man, the Calves,
Speaker 1: look out, Man, look out. Then the All Star break
Speaker 1: hit and then you're like, what what happened to that?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What happened in a second?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bit of a bit of a pattern.
Speaker 1: I'm noticing. But I mean, are any are you what
Speaker 1: any expectations for the Calves or we just were thinking
Speaker 1: the Calves will calve.
Speaker 5: It's so weird.
Speaker 6: I mean I feel like they the first like beat
Speaker 6: up spell, they do that fourteen and one run and
Speaker 6: it's like okay, like hell yeah, they came together, like
Speaker 6: the season is, you know, they passed it together. And
Speaker 6: now it's like they're still hurt, probably equally as poorly hard.
Speaker 6: I mean, obviously Donovan Mitchell is a huge loss to
Speaker 6: any team. Yeah, but the fact that they just look
Speaker 6: kind of just like listless out there, that's what concerns me.
Speaker 6: More like you lose some games, you lose some games.
Speaker 6: They got smoked. I was like, what forty points? Like
Speaker 6: they didn't have I mean, they still had Garland, they
Speaker 6: think they had Mobile, but Allen was out or maybe
Speaker 6: vice versa. Again, I get this big injuries, you don't
Speaker 6: want to overlook that, but I do think it is
Speaker 6: just concerning like the level they've played at. And I
Speaker 6: also think, you know, maybe Mitchell's more important than we realized,
Speaker 6: which sounds stupid because like, obviously Donovan Mitchell should be
Speaker 6: seen as important. But I feel like there was this
Speaker 6: kind of movement of like, oh, it's him and Garland
Speaker 6: together are the backboard, and they have Mobile and they
Speaker 6: have out like it's a it's really it's you know,
Speaker 6: it's our core.
Speaker 5: For Yeah, maybe Mitchell's just absolutely awesome.
Speaker 6: These other guys are good, but without him, I think
Speaker 6: they've really struggled to just have enough punch, which you
Speaker 6: think they should be, like Okay, I mean you look
Speaker 6: at like the heat, you know, they're not exactly team firepower.
Speaker 6: They put up one twenty. So I think it says
Speaker 6: a lot about Mitchell too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like he is the engine right, like
Speaker 2: they when this whole thing of them being a compelling
Speaker 2: team in the East started when Mobiley and Garland went
Speaker 2: down and he just took over. So it does feel
Speaker 2: like Cleveland needs Mitchell and they need him back soon.
Speaker 2: So we'll see his fractured nasal. But that's not an
Speaker 2: injury i'd heard of before. So you learned something.
Speaker 6: They've heard of ERP injection too. There's a lot of
Speaker 6: stuff with Donovia Mitchell right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Orlando another one of the teams that has broken
Speaker 2: their expectations already. This is that there the forty two
Speaker 2: wins already matched their twenty eighteen nineteen total, which is
Speaker 2: the last time they finished above five hundred. If they
Speaker 2: reached the fifty win plateau, it would be the first
Speaker 2: time since Dwight's tenure when they went fifty two and
Speaker 2: thirty and twenty eleven. Their coach Jamal Mosley's doing an
Speaker 2: incredible job, and they just have like a good solid corps.
Speaker 2: I mean, they were lucky to be drafting first overall
Speaker 2: when they got PLO, but they took the right guy,
Speaker 2: you know, and they got Franz Wagner, you know, not
Speaker 2: number one overall, and that wasn't by any means a
Speaker 2: like sure shot. And so I don't know, they're just
Speaker 2: they're in a good place as an organization. It'll be
Speaker 2: interesting to see what they do in the offseason, and frankly,
Speaker 2: what they do like, I'm hoping the Knicks catch the
Speaker 2: Calves so that we can see Orlando against Cleveland in
Speaker 2: the first round. I feel like that would be a
Speaker 2: fun series, and then Nicks Pacers would be a real
Speaker 2: kind of clash of styles, you know.
Speaker 1: I would, Yeah, I'll put my throwback jersey on to
Speaker 1: watch that matchup. Yeah, in a while, those rebbit MyD
Speaker 1: mits for that kind of matchup. I was. I was
Speaker 1: also reading like a lot of that, like at the
Speaker 1: end or the beginning of the season, like people were asking,
Speaker 1: like Anthony, Both Anthony Edwards and Jokic were like, They're like,
Speaker 1: who do you think is going to really surprise people
Speaker 1: how they play? And they were both like the Orlando magic.
Speaker 5: Like defense is yeah, man, yeah, that that leaves an
Speaker 5: impression on you.
Speaker 6: I feel like more than offense, and they have so
Speaker 6: many I didn't think Jalen SAgs was gonna be an
Speaker 6: awesome defender. I guess I didn't know too much about
Speaker 6: him and just coming out of the draft, but to
Speaker 6: see him kind of like struggle with the scoring but
Speaker 6: then just really hone in on that end has been
Speaker 6: really cool. Isaac playing again and still being like a
Speaker 6: you know, world destroying wing on defense has been fun.
Speaker 6: I mean, they have some clear like offensive spacing stuff
Speaker 6: they're going to deal with in the playoffs whoever they play,
Speaker 6: but they are going to make life hard for the
Speaker 6: other team. And it's just cool to see one of
Speaker 6: these teams that, as you mentioned, I hadn't been about
Speaker 6: five hundred and was that like five six years? I
Speaker 6: don't I don't want to think about twenty eighteen nineteen.
Speaker 6: It is that long ago because it makes you feel old.
Speaker 6: So we'll said three years, it's been three years since then.
Speaker 5: In that good. But it's fun to just see kind
Speaker 5: of get through it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, like you look at even Jonathan Isaac stats
Speaker 1: like for among bench players that have played over fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes per game, he's like first in like so many categories.
Speaker 1: So it's they've they've yeah, they've they've got some. But again,
Speaker 1: what do you think they're ceiling is this season?
Speaker 6: Ty, I'd be pretty surprised if they won a first
Speaker 6: round matchup.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I just think well, with the half court scoring and
Speaker 6: just shooting issues in their lineup. We know teams in
Speaker 6: the playoffs get physical.
Speaker 5: They packed the paint.
Speaker 6: I just am not sure they're going to be able
Speaker 6: to overcome that four times to score enough points. I mean,
Speaker 6: we know they'll be able to hold down the teams
Speaker 6: they're playing, but like, if it's Cleveland and Mitchell is back,
Speaker 6: you only hold down Donovan Mitchell so much like that
Speaker 6: guy can get going get loose in the playoffs in
Speaker 6: a way. I just don't know if anyone on their
Speaker 6: team can will see, like maybe Franz and Paulo can
Speaker 6: do it and they're ready, but we just know they'llee
Speaker 6: extra attention.
Speaker 5: I'm just not sure they have the offense.
Speaker 6: But I mean, if they catch the right team, like
Speaker 6: this Cavs team that like, if they're kind of reeling
Speaker 6: going in. We just saw them get out physical by
Speaker 6: a not great shooting team last postseason. So Baby Orlando
Speaker 6: looks at that blueprint and goes, hey, we can do this.
Speaker 6: This is how we play too. But I mean, I
Speaker 6: think if they give someone a really good run in
Speaker 6: the first round and then go into this summer with
Speaker 6: whatever avenues they have to improve and more internal development
Speaker 6: from their players, that's got to be a win, right.
Speaker 6: I mean, nobody was picking them. I mean they could
Speaker 6: be off home court. I mean if they don't win
Speaker 6: the series. Having home court in the playoffs and getting
Speaker 6: real playoff reps for these guys, I think this is
Speaker 6: an awesome season regardless for Orlando.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean they smashed expectations. If you
Speaker 2: had to pick one team to know, we're coming off
Speaker 2: of a playoff run by the Miami Heat that was unprecedented,
Speaker 2: you know, eight seed coming through. What what would you
Speaker 2: what team would you pick for to like make some noise.
Speaker 2: And you can't pick the Sixers because that's too obvious. No,
Speaker 2: you can. You can East or West, but you can't, yeh.
Speaker 5: I know there's not many teams you can pick.
Speaker 2: Can't pick the Sixers, man, I know, I don't.
Speaker 5: Believe in them. If they were I would say, I
Speaker 5: don't believe.
Speaker 1: In what.
Speaker 2: Way you're talking about?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 6: Wow, I would say the Palace. Yeah, they're kind of
Speaker 6: getting out at the right time. Zion's doing some really
Speaker 6: awesome Zion stuff. The I seems to be more locked
Speaker 6: in on defense, which has been nice to see. Again,
Speaker 6: they're still like they have some shooting questions and stuff
Speaker 6: to answer, but when they have some really strong two
Speaker 6: way players as well, and I just think.
Speaker 5: I'm really excited.
Speaker 6: I hope we get it like Zion in the playoffs,
Speaker 6: It's just gonna be so much fun. What does that
Speaker 6: look like? How worn down the teams get? Like again,
Speaker 6: I would pick Denver because I think Denver is just
Speaker 6: like amazing. Yeah, well, like Zion versus Jokic just could
Speaker 6: be such a fun like it's such a fun battle
Speaker 6: of guys, like such such different kind of dominating bigs.
Speaker 6: But they both dominate to a certain extent more so
Speaker 6: of course, But I would just love to see, like,
Speaker 6: how did Denver contain him? How does anyone contain him?
Speaker 6: So I'm excited about the Pels. I will take the
Speaker 6: Pells to make a weird Cinderella run. I think east
Speaker 6: it'll be a little tough, just like the Bucks and
Speaker 6: Celtics have a little I mean balls. Celtics of course
Speaker 6: have distance, like the Bucks are a little better than
Speaker 6: everyone else too. You could say the Nicks if they count,
Speaker 6: if they get healthy enough, but I'm not totally sold
Speaker 6: on that. I feel better about it being the Pels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the heat. You feel like they just too
Speaker 2: many different they.
Speaker 5: Go, No, they go every other year, they don't count.
Speaker 2: It's all the time.
Speaker 5: They could do it. I'd be pretty surprised this year.
Speaker 6: I feel like they're so small it's just going to
Speaker 6: be hard, Like they just keep acquiring point guards and
Speaker 6: losing wings. But I'm not going to write them off
Speaker 6: until until they're mathematically eliminated. I think every Celtics Bucks
Speaker 6: or just general Eastern Conference fan is like, they could
Speaker 6: beat my team. They could beat my team in the
Speaker 6: series until there and even after it's like maybe they're
Speaker 6: going to find an exploit in the rule book to
Speaker 6: get back in this series.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but they just never go away.
Speaker 2: And obviously all of that is you know, your opinion
Speaker 2: of who would be good if we're not allowed to
Speaker 2: pick the Sixers. We did edit the part out where
Speaker 2: you said the Sixers aren't any good, I.
Speaker 5: Would say something else.
Speaker 2: We actually make it sound like he was saying the
Speaker 2: Sixers are the team that everybody would be like, they
Speaker 2: could beat my team. That would actually be great. Thank you,
Speaker 2: Brand the editor, make that happen.
Speaker 5: Shop it together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're actually a Sixers propaganda podcast where.
Speaker 1: We just even if it's real choppy cuts like when
Speaker 1: that interview with Homer. Yeah, moving so sweet, sweet path.
Speaker 5: Anyway, enough collar for this.
Speaker 1: It's a normal size.
Speaker 5: It's a normal size collar.
Speaker 3: All right, let's take a break and we'll be right
Speaker 3: back with the rabid fire round of course, right after this, and.
Speaker 1: We're back tie WEINDI ish?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 1: Well well, I mean, look, it's great to have you
Speaker 1: on the show, and to help commemorate this moment, we
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Speaker 1: It's a rapid fire round of questions. Okay, we're just
Speaker 1: gonna ask you a question you don't think, Just give
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Speaker 1: just shoot it right back at us. Don't expand on
Speaker 1: your answers. We don't care. We're trying to keep this tight.
Speaker 1: We're trying to get as many questions in as possible.
Speaker 5: I love it. That's so I never think so I'm ready.
Speaker 1: Good, good good. We like that on this show. We
Speaker 1: like not thinking on this show. And guess what's we're taught? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see, I haven't thought yet single thing this whole time.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what're talking about? Who am I?
Speaker 1: Who are you? Okay?
Speaker 2: Just watched an episode of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles where
Speaker 2: like the put the enemy had like a mind reading thing,
Speaker 2: so they had to fight without thinking, and like that
Speaker 2: blew their minds. They were like and then Donatello did
Speaker 2: all the moves without thinking. And that's a sort of
Speaker 2: digression that you need to just stop me from making,
Speaker 2: because this is supposed to be just rapid fire bang.
Speaker 2: No digressions about my children.
Speaker 1: Rap it though for you, and no digressions about my
Speaker 1: children none whatsoever.
Speaker 5: Are we one? But I'll let it go. Yeah, let's
Speaker 5: do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I hope you're ready. Time here we go right.
Speaker 5: Start the clock.
Speaker 2: Our hands are tied. Here we can we just have
Speaker 2: to all.
Speaker 1: Right, hopefully you can win dish here segment with some
Speaker 1: great answers, you know, we try. Hey, keep it moving.
Speaker 1: Those are those were B grade jokes man, those are grades.
Speaker 1: They were selling those at the joke outlet.
Speaker 6: Mall.
Speaker 1: Okay, now it's time to hit you with the real stuff.
Speaker 1: I said, Brian started the clock. Okay, the time the
Speaker 1: clock is going. Do you want to go first?
Speaker 2: Check?
Speaker 1: Or should I go first?
Speaker 2: Uh? Why don't you go first?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go first. Tie wind dish more likely to happen,
Speaker 1: and why, but keep the why very brief? Wolves Finals
Speaker 1: run or Bucks Finals.
Speaker 5: Run, Bucks Final Run. The honest is better.
Speaker 1: M hmm, Okay, can you give us a little bit
Speaker 1: more than that, just so I can kind of have something.
Speaker 5: To towns injury.
Speaker 6: It's difficult for them, and I just think getting through
Speaker 6: Denver is going to be.
Speaker 1: Okay. That's that was too much. That was way too much, dude.
Speaker 5: Wow, wait, I kept it too brief.
Speaker 2: Miles. Some people an inch and you know.
Speaker 1: I know, I give you an inch and they take
Speaker 1: a mile.
Speaker 2: Walk the miling your shoes or something.
Speaker 1: Ty.
Speaker 2: You could go back in time to personally witness any
Speaker 2: of the following take your pick, uh Wil's one hundred
Speaker 2: game four, twenty twenty one finals, Kobe's eighty one Game seven,
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen Finals, the Lebron Block, and also you get
Speaker 2: to bring Twitter with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: As much as I love the Milwaukee Bucks, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: say the Lebron block Game seven, twenty sixteen. I think
Speaker 6: it's probably the greatest basketball game we've all gotten a
Speaker 6: witness in our lifetimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree that that was a Blacks. I do
Speaker 2: wish I was more on Twitter back then.
Speaker 1: I hit a three at the Sports Arena in fifth grade.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was second on my list.
Speaker 1: I had an NBA three.
Speaker 5: I wish I was there too as a fifth grader.
Speaker 1: And almost anyway, we got to keep this movie.
Speaker 2: Say during Clipper night, Yeah yeah, look, I don't talk
Speaker 2: about Wait, so the main event was your game and
Speaker 2: the Clippers playing in between was like the special event.
Speaker 2: You gotta let the weepers play in between.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly it was. It was it was a charity match.
Speaker 1: It's a charity match where we liked to. I remember
Speaker 1: Keith Klass was begging me for some guidance. I said, look, kid,
Speaker 1: why don't you come on by? Why didn't you bring Dominique?
Speaker 1: Was there previous year? It was like, were good times,
Speaker 1: good times back then. But don't get me on a
Speaker 1: digression about my past or my kids. It's about the
Speaker 1: rapid pie Riders. Next one, Taiwin Dish rank these current
Speaker 1: duos in terms of your postseason expectation. Yanna's Dame, Jokich, Murray, Luca, Kyrie,
Speaker 1: Katie and Book.
Speaker 5: I think you had him in order. I think you
Speaker 5: had Order.
Speaker 2: Over Murray over Yokramurray.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 6: But I think the last two and that's I think
Speaker 6: they're very close. I think the first two are very
Speaker 6: close to the last two are very close. I think
Speaker 6: Dame has a little more upside than than Murray, although
Speaker 6: in the playoffs Murray has been absolutely ridiculous and maybe
Speaker 6: he just picks that up again. But if he does
Speaker 6: that again, then it's probably that duo. But he has
Speaker 6: been just kind of unbelievably hot to the extent I
Speaker 6: don't know if I think you can keep doing it.
Speaker 6: I will just barely say Luca and Kyrie over katiean book.
Speaker 6: So many great players, but I trust Luca in the
Speaker 6: playoffs more than I think anyone else. And out of
Speaker 6: the out of the bottom two groups.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's right, Ty.
Speaker 2: Somebody's coming to the city of Milwaukee for one weekend
Speaker 2: and it is the Boss, Bruce Springsteen. Uh No, it's
Speaker 2: it's just somebody and they they're looking for a good job.
Speaker 2: They reach out and they say, give me the three
Speaker 2: spots that need to hit up. Could be restaurant, could
Speaker 2: be bars, let's get bars, could be a track shifts.
Speaker 2: What are you telling them to do?
Speaker 6: I always tell people to go to the art museum.
Speaker 6: This is a very Milwaukee answer. Classic art Museum, the
Speaker 6: College Trava everyone should check it out. I don't live
Speaker 6: in Milwaukee, so I don't have the great restaurant spots
Speaker 6: in Milwaukee.
Speaker 5: I will just put that out there.
Speaker 6: I live in Oshkosh, which is if you thought Milwaukee
Speaker 6: was small and cold, you have no idea, is what
Speaker 6: I'll say to the people country.
Speaker 5: But I would say, yeah, that's actually where it came from.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So go to Oshkosh, Bigosh factory in Oshkosh, go
Speaker 6: to the art museum.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: And then I'm trying to think of like my top
Speaker 6: restaurant in Milwaukee.
Speaker 1: Actually, give me the top restaurant in Oshkosh.
Speaker 6: Yes, that's easier for me. Yeah, Fletch's, Fletcher's tap Out.
Speaker 5: No, that's all right. Ruby.
Speaker 1: What do they got there, dude?
Speaker 5: They have a chicken Euro that's sensational. They do.
Speaker 6: They do very good burgers. They have a boota bowl
Speaker 6: that's pretty good. I don't go to that too often.
Speaker 6: I'm more a burger checking Europe guy, but the chicken
Speaker 6: euro is probably my number one man.
Speaker 2: Did they have a chicken euro before? Jannis?
Speaker 6: I didn't go before, You're honest, didn't go outside before
Speaker 6: you're honest.
Speaker 5: Weight when I have to change.
Speaker 2: Joy was invented, and they didn't.
Speaker 1: I used to drink only sprite, and I started drinking
Speaker 1: water after. You're honest, change my life, Change my life?
Speaker 2: All right? Who's the most underappreciated of the all time greats,
Speaker 2: someone that deserves to be mentioned but is often led
Speaker 2: out of the all time debates?
Speaker 6: That's a great question. I don't let me know if
Speaker 6: this answer counts. Does Kareem count?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy stinks, maybe he heard heard.
Speaker 6: Him stinks, But for what he did, how much he won,
Speaker 6: his individual and team dominance, Like I think he's probably
Speaker 6: never going to be in these goat combos anymore because now,
Speaker 6: of course it's all m J. Lebron and Jay Lebron,
Speaker 6: and then whoever's next Wendy or whoever is going to
Speaker 6: be the next will be him versus Lebron.
Speaker 5: I'm sure, yeah, nas Reid probably.
Speaker 6: But the the dominance of Kareem, I mean the fact
Speaker 6: that like they didn't they didn't let him play on
Speaker 6: the varsity team at U C. L A, But he
Speaker 6: beat that team in a scrimmage and that team won
Speaker 6: the championship. Like he just won so much at every
Speaker 6: level and was so unstoppable. They and the dunk because
Speaker 6: of him in college, some real ridiculous stuff. So I
Speaker 6: would say, Kareem, uh and if that city, that doesn't count.
Speaker 5: I don't even know Kareem.
Speaker 2: That's I think that's really Yeah. It's just he was
Speaker 2: so dominant for such a period that people just kind
Speaker 2: of got sleepy, got sleepy about it. They just come on.
Speaker 1: I remember I watch Latter Day Kareem and I was like,
Speaker 1: I used to call him the glasses guy. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then and I was always taking my down. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why is he playing like he looks old and respect.
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: To learn? You learn, you learn well, ty Windish, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. You made it through.
Speaker 1: Those are all the correct answers, I will tell you that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and I just checked at the Chicken you at
Speaker 1: Rubiel it looks pretty good.
Speaker 5: That's outstanding.
Speaker 1: Deliverery you said it's like so cold. That really got
Speaker 1: my attention. I'm like, I as someone who chases the cold,
Speaker 1: as a native Angelina, I'm like, I want to know
Speaker 1: what it feels like when your bones go numb.
Speaker 6: Oh, it's solid. It's real quiet out when it's cold.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true. Yeah, gone away, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but again, thanks for joining us. Where can the
Speaker 1: people find you, follow you, listen to you all that
Speaker 1: kind of good stuff.
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