Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where the holiday season never ends
Speaker 1: if we keep getting cards.
Speaker 2: At least Colleen Wolf does porn it.
Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal in the Chris Westling podcast studio, and
Speaker 1: we're back here.
Speaker 2: See you next Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Jordan Rodrigue of The Athletic and Colleen Wolf.
Speaker 2: Hey, it feels good.
Speaker 1: You know last Tuesday was fun, but it wasn't you know?
Speaker 1: I missed you guys. You were you were in snowy Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: you were watching your Eagles.
Speaker 2: What was your weekends?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: It was fun?
Speaker 5: I loved Philadelphia, by the way, let's talk about it.
Speaker 3: What did you love specifically about Philly?
Speaker 5: So I loved how you walk up to the link
Speaker 5: and you walk through the tailgate.
Speaker 6: Huh.
Speaker 5: And honestly, everybody was really nice. I was wearing a
Speaker 5: dark green jacket, but still everyone was really really nice.
Speaker 5: It smelled amazing. The weather was terrible, but everybody was
Speaker 5: in such a good mood. Everybody was drinking. Our uber
Speaker 5: driver was like ripping off advanced statistics the way over,
Speaker 5: like it just.
Speaker 4: And she knew exactly the way to go.
Speaker 5: Shout out to evet like it it is just so.
Speaker 5: And then when you sit, when you're in there, and
Speaker 5: it was a snow game, which was so magical, right,
Speaker 5: and they and they they're all in their best like
Speaker 5: cold weather gear, and they're throwing snowballs in the air,
Speaker 5: not down at the field when they're own team scores, right,
Speaker 5: and they're throwing all the snow in the air and
Speaker 5: this like whipping winds and everybody is just like trooping
Speaker 5: through it. And like, I loved that Matthew Stafford made
Speaker 5: them silent for a minute, because the crowd lives and
Speaker 5: dies with its team. Even those moments were just so fun.
Speaker 5: And I got a Nishkabibble's cheese steak.
Speaker 3: I love that for you.
Speaker 5: Was incredible, traveled really well because I ordered it in
Speaker 5: because I was on the show with Greg later that night,
Speaker 5: and some cheese fries whizz nice.
Speaker 3: Of course I have had this exact order before, yes.
Speaker 4: And tried not to fall asleep for the next two hours.
Speaker 3: That's difficult.
Speaker 5: It just I loved it. I thought it was great.
Speaker 5: It's such a great sports down. It's a great football town.
Speaker 5: Unlike rookie outside linebacker Jared First, I love Eagles fans.
Speaker 7: Listen off everybody Jordan knows exactly what she's talking about.
Speaker 2: I love me some Philly on a playoff weekend. Two.
Speaker 1: The Eagles Super Bowl run happened to coincide with the
Speaker 1: year that they were sending me to games. So I
Speaker 1: was there for the NFC Championship. I was there for
Speaker 1: the Falcons Divisional round wind and yeah, there is something
Speaker 1: that they were greasing all the poles.
Speaker 2: So remember that was the whole thing.
Speaker 4: So it was great there.
Speaker 5: So there there a car a truck had broken down
Speaker 5: outside of the stadium. An Yvett, the Uber driver, she
Speaker 5: was like, Oh, they are going to have to move
Speaker 5: that at least three hours before kickoff, otherwise that thing's
Speaker 5: going to be on fire.
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh sounds good.
Speaker 2: I'm ready.
Speaker 3: So casually, yeah, yeah, it was just great.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, note to self in an
Speaker 1: underrated city in general, Emica and I, who love love
Speaker 1: a good sandwich, love a good meal. We once went
Speaker 1: down on the Amtrak from New York to philadelph You
Speaker 1: just to eat as many sandwiches as we could in
Speaker 1: a weekend and catch a couple of baseball games. Philadelphia
Speaker 1: really is an underrated city to just visit. So I recommend,
Speaker 1: are you guys just doing I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 7: I feel like because I've missed some time in here,
Speaker 7: like I feel like you guys are buttering me up
Speaker 7: somehow that this is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like the significant other that doesn't give us
Speaker 1: any attention, so we're just even nicer to you to
Speaker 1: get more real of which.
Speaker 2: What how is? Tim?
Speaker 1: I did not know where you were going with that,
Speaker 1: but yes, Tim Wolf, we love a good Colleen brother.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, How are you feeling though?
Speaker 1: Since we're not going to be previewing the show that's
Speaker 1: going to be tomorrow, we have Patrick Claibon in the studio,
Speaker 1: we have some special guests for that one. How are
Speaker 1: you just feeling about the Eagles journey and where they
Speaker 1: are going into this game?
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't love that they're playing the Commanders
Speaker 7: because the Commanders are just like so oddly frisky right
Speaker 7: now and playing with the house money type of deal,
Speaker 7: and it just feels I don't know, I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I feel like, would you rather be going to Detroit though?
Speaker 1: As an Eagles fan? Would you rather think?
Speaker 3: I don't want to go anywhere. I don't want to
Speaker 3: play anyone.
Speaker 2: Glad you're not on the team, but.
Speaker 7: It just feels like the worst case scenario would be
Speaker 7: for the Eagles to lose to the Commander's in Philadelphia
Speaker 7: at home in the NFC Championship game.
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 7: For a chance to go to the super Bowl and
Speaker 7: it's Jade and Daniels, a rookie going to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: I can't have that happen in my life.
Speaker 1: That is true. You sort of give up being the underdog.
Speaker 1: Not that they would have been by points spread in Detroit,
Speaker 1: but it's the number one seed. It would have just
Speaker 1: been a coin flip type of game, and now you're
Speaker 1: like a heavy favorite.
Speaker 2: Chris Long talked about it.
Speaker 1: He's killing it at the green Light Light podcast, where
Speaker 1: it's an amazing atmosphere. It's a huge advantage, but it's
Speaker 1: like any great home field in the playoffs. If you
Speaker 1: fall down a little bit and they get a little
Speaker 1: tight in the moment, it almost flips to the point
Speaker 1: where you can really feel it. Hopefully they can stand
Speaker 1: up to that. I think they can. We have other
Speaker 1: stuff to talk about. Okay, we're gonna go through some news,
Speaker 1: some big news.
Speaker 4: Colleen's dog.
Speaker 1: That was something we're gonna hit towards the end of
Speaker 1: the show. We also are introducing a new quick segment
Speaker 1: that's going to be called I Choose Violence. You know,
Speaker 1: you know, like you see a tweet and it's like
Speaker 1: he woke up. I don't know if we need a
Speaker 1: sound effect. We didn't talk about that ahead of time
Speaker 1: because I don't want people to get too great. It's
Speaker 1: you know, you wake up and you have a thought
Speaker 1: that you don't mind that might annoy some people out there.
Speaker 1: You wake up and you're choosing violence with your takes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, can I tell you what I wrote in my
Speaker 5: notes about this segment. I said, I don't have anything violent.
Speaker 5: I think I'm just really tired.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the take is in violent. It's just you're
Speaker 2: just saying something that maybe people don't like. Maybe not.
Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see how much we really incite violence.
Speaker 1: But first let's do some news and yeah, we have
Speaker 1: a new head coach. Ben Johnson is the Chicago Bears
Speaker 1: head coach. It came out on Monday, pretty soon after
Speaker 1: the Lions are out of the playoffs. The Lions lose
Speaker 1: their offensive coordinator to the Bears. Some reports out there
Speaker 1: that the Raiders were in on him. There's some buzz
Speaker 1: of like, was it a money thing? Did the Bears
Speaker 1: just come over the top? They did Florio throughout that.
Speaker 1: The buzz is that it's around thirteen million dollars a
Speaker 1: year and there's the average is eight.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: There's separate quote unquote buzz that maybe they really did
Speaker 1: make a difference in terms of their offer versus the Raiders,
Speaker 1: and that the Raiders had a chance.
Speaker 2: That's not confirmed. I'm just like thrown around the scuttle.
Speaker 1: But Colleen, what do you think about Ben Johnson staying
Speaker 1: in the division and now coaching up Caleb Williams.
Speaker 7: I do love that he's staying in the division. Like
Speaker 7: that just feels. I know it's not on purpose to
Speaker 7: be petty, but I just like the petty nature of it,
Speaker 7: even if it's an indirect kind of petty move. And
Speaker 7: I like that he's going to see the Lions now
Speaker 7: twice a year. I like that he's putting together, uh,
Speaker 7: this coaching staff, which we're going to talk about a
Speaker 7: little bit with potentially Dennis Allen.
Speaker 2: There is talk about it, no order to it however
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 7: I mean, listen, it's just I'm happy that we finally
Speaker 7: have at least like that head coach. I want to
Speaker 7: like start checking off the list. Here the Jets are
Speaker 7: interviewing like seventy five thousand people. I just like I
Speaker 7: want answers, and I don't like floating in like the
Speaker 7: in between of everything and speculating.
Speaker 3: So I'm happy that that one at least is done.
Speaker 5: I think the Bears handled this a lot like they
Speaker 5: handled their quarterback search. It was very clear that Caleb
Speaker 5: Williams was their guy very early on, so too with this,
Speaker 5: it was very clear and at least probably some agent
Speaker 5: floated reports that Ben Johnson was very interested in the
Speaker 5: Bear's job and there was a mutual interest. And then
Speaker 5: also they made it very clear that he was the
Speaker 5: target that they were identifying. And yes, they went through
Speaker 5: the process and they interviewed a lot of candidates as well,
Speaker 5: but they were going after Ben Johnson, and similar to
Speaker 5: how they were going after Caleb Williams, not bringing Jaden
Speaker 5: Daniels in for a thirty visit, going to Caleb Williams
Speaker 5: pro day, bringing the entire brass out there, they were
Speaker 5: courting Ben Johnson less publicly because you can't really do
Speaker 5: that with the coach who's currently playing and in the playoffs,
Speaker 5: as you have your search, but they were he was there.
Speaker 5: He was considered to be one of the top guys,
Speaker 5: one of two perhaps in this coaching cycle, and they
Speaker 5: wanted to go get their guy. To your point, Colleen,
Speaker 5: I do love that that's in the division. You were
Speaker 5: gonna have to pay him. Also, based on what happened
Speaker 5: last year when he sort of deferred and declined to
Speaker 5: even entertain some of these jobs that were out there,
Speaker 5: you were gonna have to pay him a lot anyway.
Speaker 4: He made that very clear.
Speaker 5: But also to be in the division, you were gonna
Speaker 5: have to throw the bag at him, and the Bears
Speaker 5: certainly reportedly did that.
Speaker 7: I am absolutely shocked at what Jordan and I were
Speaker 7: watching earlier.
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson without a hat on. I didn't even know
Speaker 3: he had hair, and he has a swoon.
Speaker 4: Got a swoop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's actually listen and take a look at
Speaker 1: that video. It's Ben Johns and arriving at the Bears facility.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. My family and I were beyond excited.
Speaker 1: This is exactly where we wanted to be, This is
Speaker 1: exactly where we want to bet you.
Speaker 2: This is a this is gonna be a challenge. I
Speaker 2: don't aware that I.
Speaker 6: Know what this division is about, and this is exactly
Speaker 6: where we want to be.
Speaker 3: Oh, he's giving Dan Campbell a little bit there, and
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 5: I like it Dan Campbell Kevin O'Connell like a mashup
Speaker 5: between the two.
Speaker 4: Don't you get that vibe?
Speaker 1: And we haven't seen him a lot in public. I mean,
Speaker 1: he has press conferences, but in those press conferences he
Speaker 1: does give off a little bit of his reputation vibe,
Speaker 1: which is he was from a math background and he's
Speaker 1: very serious and analytical. And if you've heard anything negative
Speaker 1: about Ben Johnson, it's it's sort of from himself that
Speaker 1: he likes to be by himself and just drawing up
Speaker 1: plays and that's where he feels that the happiest, which
Speaker 1: is some of the criticism he maybe got from others
Speaker 1: around the league, which was just like, is this a
Speaker 1: guy gonna be ready to kind of lead a room?
Speaker 1: So it was fun to see him in that scenario.
Speaker 1: Although it's also that was like a long video released
Speaker 1: by the Bears, and I loved it, but it's halfway
Speaker 1: between awesome and like unintentionally funny. There is something funny
Speaker 1: about the whole building coming out and like welcoming their savior,
Speaker 1: and I do know something about it just seems what
Speaker 1: a weird industry.
Speaker 5: They've done, what I mean, they've done every two to
Speaker 5: three years for a while now, you know.
Speaker 4: But I really I hope the.
Speaker 5: Best for that franchise that's been trying to find the
Speaker 5: right leader for a while, that's been trying to get
Speaker 5: even on the same page, let alone in the same
Speaker 5: book with the front office and the quarterback and the
Speaker 5: coaching hire for years and just kind of have been
Speaker 5: off by a year or two every single time. I
Speaker 5: hope for them that this is the case. And I
Speaker 5: do think that even if he's not necessarily outwardly, this
Speaker 5: very clear guy who very openly and obviously in every
Speaker 5: way that he presents connects with players. Or you see
Speaker 5: him and you think that guy gets his players, I
Speaker 5: think when you watch him call games, Greg we talked
Speaker 5: about this on the show last week, when he calls games,
Speaker 5: he notices these little details about his players that maximizes
Speaker 5: their talent, that builds these bonds together. The Jamison Williams
Speaker 5: Teddy Bridgewater play that he trick, play that he called
Speaker 5: has history to it, and I won't re litigate that,
Speaker 5: but like it just was a very cool detail that
Speaker 5: empowers his teams. He is full of those, according to
Speaker 5: Jared Goff, and he's been full of those moments, which
Speaker 5: really helped bring Jared Goff out of the darkness a
Speaker 5: little bit as well.
Speaker 3: I'm sure Jared hates this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and big year coming up for Jared Goff.
Speaker 1: I am very curious to see where Dan Campbell goes
Speaker 1: for his offensive coordinator and just how it looks, because yeah,
Speaker 1: if you remember Ben Johnson took over the play calling
Speaker 1: during the twenty twenty one season, it was an immediately
Speaker 1: better offense. And so I always say with head coaches,
Speaker 1: you want them to bring something, something that you can define.
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe it's like Dan Campbell, who brings in
Speaker 1: a great staff and is obviously a great leader, but
Speaker 1: maybe it's just schematic advantage. They were seven, third and
Speaker 1: fifth in DVOA on offense at the end of each
Speaker 1: of the last three seasons, so he did really well.
Speaker 1: But I'm just gonna do it now. I'm I'm choosing
Speaker 1: violence with my bears take which is bad. Wow, they're
Speaker 1: still gonna be the worst team in the division more
Speaker 1: likely than not like going into next season. I have
Speaker 1: to see a Bear's plan work until I believe it.
Speaker 2: I mean, is that what you.
Speaker 3: Thought going into this year? Today We're gonna be bad?
Speaker 2: Yes, And I have thought that.
Speaker 1: Admittedly, I'm like wearing my biases like for five years
Speaker 1: straight and I've been right five years straight. And every
Speaker 1: year Bears fans, who are the most optimistic and some
Speaker 1: of the loudest fans out there and knowledgeable and they
Speaker 1: love their team so much, are convinced. Every off season
Speaker 1: I'm told like, no, this is the reason why. And
Speaker 1: it was in the Fields era and even late in
Speaker 1: the nag era and now and to me, it goes
Speaker 1: to the highest levels there.
Speaker 2: It goes.
Speaker 1: With the structure of the GM and ownership and Kevin
Speaker 1: Warren as the CEO president, who I have questions about.
Speaker 1: And so it's kind of like the Jets for me
Speaker 1: that the Bears are in that territory that it's like
Speaker 1: there's just a lot to overcome. I feel like in
Speaker 1: the building that I will believe that the Bears have
Speaker 1: like turned a corner when I see it, because they're
Speaker 1: still in this division and those are three of the
Speaker 1: best coaches in the NFL.
Speaker 2: So like he's still fourth to me, right, bring.
Speaker 5: People bring up the example of it can be done
Speaker 5: when they use the commanders as an example. But that's
Speaker 5: a very different situation. Ownership change, because well, thank you,
Speaker 5: I was just going to say that, Yeah, I'll just leave.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'll just go. That's that's, that's everything.
Speaker 3: They got to bring in a shaman.
Speaker 7: They need to sage the place, they need to just
Speaker 7: do a full clean out.
Speaker 2: It is a big change.
Speaker 5: Sorry, Jordan's okay, I might choose.
Speaker 2: Violence, but yeah, please do. I mean I was.
Speaker 1: I was trying to have it, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: tiptoe around it a little bit.
Speaker 3: Everyone's doing great today because we're here back.
Speaker 2: In the settle at NFL Media.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I lose their DC too, like
Speaker 1: I wanted, I wanted more for him.
Speaker 2: Yes, they might. Let's go to the Jets.
Speaker 1: The Jets have Aaron Glenn in the building as we're
Speaker 1: taping this. According to our NFL media insider Ian Rappaport,
Speaker 1: the object today is to not let them leave the building.
Speaker 2: It really sounds that's so dumb. It's so dumb.
Speaker 3: Let's say I hate it so much.
Speaker 2: Locked the door.
Speaker 4: It's like I.
Speaker 3: Can't believe they let him leave the building.
Speaker 2: Can't believe it. Why they let him leave? Just like clock.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's such a weird thing.
Speaker 1: It's a good visual I just do they mean, like
Speaker 1: I guess close the deal, like.
Speaker 5: That is a financially and I visualize it as like
Speaker 5: Hodor in Game of Throats.
Speaker 1: Like holding back even there, like you might be back
Speaker 1: at your hotel, but by the time they really like
Speaker 1: negotiate as your agent. Really they're working it out while
Speaker 1: you're at a different part of the building. I don't
Speaker 1: know how that'll work.
Speaker 7: They're bringing in like crab legs for you and just like,
Speaker 7: oh and now there's a dinner and a show that
Speaker 7: we'll have.
Speaker 3: You can't leave, not yet.
Speaker 2: You never know what could happen.
Speaker 1: But we went developing news on our website about this,
Speaker 1: and that got my radar up. I was like, we're
Speaker 1: going developing news on just that he's going for a
Speaker 1: second visit. And as the day has worn, you know,
Speaker 1: worn on here, I feel confident just talking about this
Speaker 1: and we'll see if we're wrong. As if Aaron Glenn
Speaker 1: is going to be the next head coach of the Jets,
Speaker 1: what do you think about this?
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 5: I I much like the Bears, I have yet to
Speaker 5: see anything work and similar to hiring a great core
Speaker 5: dator to become a head coach in Ben Johnson, Aaron
Speaker 5: Glenn is a great coordinator. He has all the qualities
Speaker 5: you would want in a head coach, but I have
Speaker 5: yet to see proof of concept actually work for the
Speaker 5: Jets who have taken these big swings in order to
Speaker 5: try to sage the organization from a football perspective, taken
Speaker 5: the big swing for the quarterback and it still hasn't
Speaker 5: worked out. It is still rippled and crescendoed or decrescendoed
Speaker 5: into dysfunction. And I think that that is where I'm
Speaker 5: trying to actually see the steps right. I'd like to
Speaker 5: see once the hire is in place, Okay, what are
Speaker 5: you going to do to fix so many elements? Similar
Speaker 5: to the Bears of this franchise that has just been
Speaker 5: in congruous for so many years.
Speaker 7: They make these moves every year, and it's you can
Speaker 7: build a believable case based off of it, and you
Speaker 7: can really talk yourself into why some of these things
Speaker 7: will work, because on paper, a lot of times it
Speaker 7: seems like, yeah, okay, they've done everything that they needed
Speaker 7: to do, and now here are all the ingredients now
Speaker 7: make the dish, and then they just end up like
Speaker 7: completely burning it or just like messing it up somehow.
Speaker 7: I I'm with you on that, but it's just I
Speaker 7: don't know how they're going to turn things around without
Speaker 7: kind of cleaning everything.
Speaker 5: And I do not doubt one bit that Aaron Glenn
Speaker 5: will be a great head coach who will develop great
Speaker 5: talent a lot on defense and then also hire people
Speaker 5: to develop talent on the other side of the ball.
Speaker 5: I believe that one percent that he has all the tools.
Speaker 5: But so did another coach who got fired mid season
Speaker 5: after a couple of years when the people decided that
Speaker 5: it was his fault that this was moving backwards yet again.
Speaker 5: He was that and I don't want him and I
Speaker 5: don't want to see that happen to another really bright,
Speaker 5: promising leader and great defensive mind and great head coach
Speaker 5: who just continues to get put in these terrible situations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't think this should be terrible. Lance
Speaker 1: Newmark is getting interviewed for a second time as a
Speaker 1: general manager. He is the assistant GM in Washington this year,
Speaker 1: but he was in Detroit and worked with Aaron Glenn
Speaker 1: for a long time in Detroit, and it's believed that
Speaker 1: they will be a package deal. And I like that
Speaker 1: the Jets have done the setup that the Bears are
Speaker 1: doing right now, where there are different alignments. In the
Speaker 1: Bears case, it's a GM who is you know, needing
Speaker 1: to keep his job, and then also like a president
Speaker 1: that came in halfway through the GM's job and is
Speaker 1: very front and center, and now it's a new coach,
Speaker 1: and I don't love that here's a new GM and
Speaker 1: a new coach if they do in fact higher lance
Speaker 1: newmark that know each other well, that are aligned. Supposedly
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn has a good staff in place. I don't
Speaker 1: know who that is. Like it's very hush hush.
Speaker 2: He has a great right now, but he's been in
Speaker 2: a league a long time.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting if you're a Saints fan,
Speaker 1: that the two hottest head coaches in this cycle and
Speaker 1: the Jets again get the hottest, Like, you know, one
Speaker 1: of the best head coach candidates. We're both in the
Speaker 1: Saints building forever, you know, Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn,
Speaker 1: and they weren't even interested in in in Ben Johnson's case,
Speaker 1: in like taking that interview in Aaron Glenn's case, it
Speaker 1: sounds like they were they were kind of using the
Speaker 1: Saints's leverage. He had at a point he had an
Speaker 1: interview set up for later this week, a second interview
Speaker 1: with the Saints.
Speaker 2: But doesn't seem like that's everything.
Speaker 4: He's not allowed to leave the bill, right. You can't
Speaker 4: physically go, but you're going.
Speaker 2: That's not a great sign.
Speaker 1: Like two guys that were there in your glory years
Speaker 1: and Ben Johnson and I wish we had circled back
Speaker 1: to this is apparently trying to recreate that staff by
Speaker 1: getting Dennis Allen as his defensive coordinator and possibly getting
Speaker 1: Darren Rizzy if he's available, as his special teams coordinator.
Speaker 4: Which I love.
Speaker 5: I love that, so I would really love that as
Speaker 5: a full staff because it is similar to the models
Speaker 5: we see working and it won't be like that right away.
Speaker 4: Just to hedge a little bit, but it's.
Speaker 5: A similar model as what we see Andy Reid do
Speaker 5: where he hires a capable quote unquote head coach figure
Speaker 5: to completely manage the ecosystem of the defense. Matt Lafleur
Speaker 5: hiring Pisaccia to completely manage the ecosystem of the special
Speaker 5: teams unit.
Speaker 4: I love that when it works, it really really works.
Speaker 5: And to what we talked about at the beginning, where
Speaker 5: Ben Johnson likes to be the mathematician kind of hold
Speaker 5: up with the quarterback and some of the offensive skill
Speaker 5: players in the lineman in his office, designing things and
Speaker 5: figuring out different levers to pull in different cool things
Speaker 5: to do. Well, if you have hires like that, if
Speaker 5: you have people who have proven capabilities of running one
Speaker 5: side of the building or one side of the football team,
Speaker 5: then that allows him to be a little bit more
Speaker 5: hands off in that regard.
Speaker 4: It's a collaborative effort less so.
Speaker 5: Either someone who has to be in every single meeting room,
Speaker 5: which stretches a lot of young head coaches really really thin.
Speaker 5: They don't quite understand when they take the job just
Speaker 5: how much is manded of them time wise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is worth pointing out.
Speaker 1: Dennis Allen was a really good defensive coordinator for a
Speaker 1: long time with the Saints, and that sort of fell
Speaker 1: apart this year. Their defense kind of finally didn't look good.
Speaker 1: But before that he had been running pretty great defenses,
Speaker 1: So maybe he can have his like spags, you know, life.
Speaker 2: Just as a coordinator.
Speaker 1: I also want to say about the Bears thing like
Speaker 1: me having doubt about their organization. This is the hardest
Speaker 1: thing to predict in the NFL, Like what hires it
Speaker 1: work or not?
Speaker 4: Johnson, this was.
Speaker 2: The right move.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, it doesn't mean it wasn't the right move
Speaker 1: finding an innovative head coach to pair with Caleb Williams, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to see what he does.
Speaker 3: I just I'm really excited to see what the Saints do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they have a second interviews. It's interesting about
Speaker 1: Darren Rizzy. By the way, both Alvin Kamara and Cameron
Speaker 1: Jordan put public support on Twitter on Tuesday behind Darren Rizzy.
Speaker 4: Call that the old Max Crosby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see who is lovely.
Speaker 3: By the way, on game day morning this week.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, the size difference between you two standing
Speaker 5: next to each other incredible.
Speaker 7: At one point we took a picture and I was like, oh,
Speaker 7: I can't even go on my tiptoes because I'm already
Speaker 7: on my tiptoes and heels Like I can't.
Speaker 3: There's nowhere else to go from here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Saints by the way.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: While we're on a coaching interviews, supposedly they're doing some
Speaker 1: second interviews. Mike Kafka and Anthony Weaver are both in
Speaker 1: the mix for second interviews. There Liam Cohen getting it
Speaker 1: the first second interview in Jacksonville, which a lot of
Speaker 1: people think means he's the favorite that they won't want
Speaker 1: to let him leave the building. So that's something to
Speaker 1: keep an eye. And then there's the Lions. Dan Campbell
Speaker 1: spoke this week about life maybe after these coordinators and
Speaker 1: how he sees his team moving forward.
Speaker 6: Listen, all we can do is move forward. Man. You
Speaker 6: brush yourself off of our gone through the loss of
Speaker 6: a family member, feeling to anger yesterday to now, I'm
Speaker 6: back on my feet, ready to roll, and I'm acknowledged.
Speaker 6: I can look in the mirror and say, you know
Speaker 6: what you failed, man, what are you gonna do about it?
Speaker 6: So that's where we're at. Move forward, man, questions.
Speaker 2: Damn, that's where we are.
Speaker 4: Jeez.
Speaker 3: He moved through all that, but quite quickly.
Speaker 1: I kind of like that though he went through it
Speaker 1: kind of like a fan does. It's anger, it's acceptance and.
Speaker 3: Now stages of grief.
Speaker 1: He's ready to just I just crush everything in his path.
Speaker 4: I picture, so they're obviously practiced.
Speaker 5: It's sitting in his press conferences, but I picture being
Speaker 5: a reporter on the other side of it.
Speaker 4: You're ready for.
Speaker 5: This big monologue, open kind of a thing, and he
Speaker 5: goes all right, questions and I'd be, oh, okay, god,
Speaker 5: you know, get my recorder ready, like my off season
Speaker 5: have already started kind of a thing. But I also,
Speaker 5: as a very highly caffeinated person myself, I could kind
Speaker 5: of see some of that quintuple espresso coming through. But
Speaker 5: I you know, burnout and crashing happened with these deep
Speaker 5: those seasons happened so easily and catches these guys when they.
Speaker 4: Least expect it.
Speaker 5: Dan Campbell, I think is going to be one of
Speaker 5: those who outruns it a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 2: I hope. So I hope.
Speaker 1: I want them to stay in the mix at the
Speaker 1: very top of the game, and it's tough in that
Speaker 1: division for everyone. I think they will. The defensive injuries
Speaker 1: are not to be ignored. It was there like three
Speaker 1: of their best four players essentially on defense, and I
Speaker 1: think they have enough on offense to and they.
Speaker 7: Made it that far with all of those injuries, that's
Speaker 7: still saying something about the talent on that roster.
Speaker 5: Back on the Saints for a minute. I wouldn't be
Speaker 5: surprised if they looked back at Joe Brady. Yes, he
Speaker 5: was in their building kind of as a quality control
Speaker 5: offensive assistant in turn type of role under Sean Payton.
Speaker 5: And he has connections that are still in that building.
Speaker 5: If they decide they do want to go young, maybe
Speaker 5: not quite ready yet, but somebody who may be ready
Speaker 5: over the next couple of years, but get in earlier
Speaker 5: type of higher and then start to rebuild with that offense.
Speaker 5: Looks like and you know you've got Spencer Ratler, you
Speaker 5: know mold a little bit.
Speaker 1: Could be him, could be Mike McCarthy. I think McCarthy
Speaker 1: was possibly the backup option by according to the reports,
Speaker 1: he was probably the backup option to Ben Johnson in Chicago.
Speaker 1: He was hopeful of getting that job. He might be
Speaker 1: in a similar spot in New Orleans where he either
Speaker 1: gets that job or it's a young guy. And speaking
Speaker 1: of young guys, we have some breaking news as were
Speaker 1: the Vikings and Coach of the Year candidate Kevin O'Connell
Speaker 1: have agreed to terms on a multi year extension, which
Speaker 1: is hilarious to me because Pro Football Talk and another
Speaker 1: like outlets, we're picking up the buzz on the is
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connor going to get traded again? Like on Tuesday morning,
Speaker 1: like just out of nowhere, this started picking up, and
Speaker 1: then later that day here's the extensions. Like that's that's
Speaker 1: how the sausage gets made. It's a pressure being applied,
Speaker 1: and it's good to see. I would he's very interested
Speaker 1: to see Florio, who seems pretty tied in with that organization,
Speaker 1: say that there was He wrote and he was careful
Speaker 1: in what he wrote, but he said there was a
Speaker 1: legitimate tension. I'm using the word legitimate. He said there
Speaker 1: were tension. There was tension between O'Connell and the organization
Speaker 1: about the status of his contract late in the season,
Speaker 1: but that all goes away when you sign a big
Speaker 1: fat deal.
Speaker 2: So good for them.
Speaker 3: I think you way to smooth things over.
Speaker 5: If I'm just thinking about what the optics of it,
Speaker 5: looked like there were a lot of other coaches or
Speaker 5: some other coaches from that hiring class that got extended
Speaker 5: before he did, without the record, So if I'm looking
Speaker 5: from that perspective and looking at the optics of it,
Speaker 5: I'm like, well, excuse me, what the heck is my organization?
Speaker 5: What is my ownership group doing right now? Where is this?
Speaker 5: I've got all these wins stacked.
Speaker 3: Up right, so the hold up here?
Speaker 1: And Ben Johnson just got thirteen million, I'm making way
Speaker 1: less than him.
Speaker 2: I'm a deal.
Speaker 5: Let's I'm half of the bend of the Kevin O'Connell,
Speaker 5: Dan Campbell hybrid man now coaching the Bears, you like.
Speaker 1: And when they hired Kevin O'Connell, like, no, at least
Speaker 1: most people on the outside had had no idea if
Speaker 1: he would be good or not. I thought Lafleur was
Speaker 1: a weird hire because like his one year in Tennessee
Speaker 1: was pretty disappointed.
Speaker 4: You need to recover from Sean, that's all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe that was it.
Speaker 1: So good good, pray love your good for them, And
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see if QUESI their GM gets
Speaker 1: a similar extension that just matches up with Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 2: No word on that. Sometimes that doesn't get announced.
Speaker 5: Another Ian rapaport is reporting that they are currently working
Speaker 5: on the contract extension for Quasiadolfo Mensa and it's likely
Speaker 5: quote Ian that both will be around for years to come.
Speaker 2: Good to hear you were on the on the forefront
Speaker 2: of the lou An Arumo beat this off season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see I record that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I interviewed with Atlanta. But he's going to the Colts.
Speaker 7: Yes, Which I just feel like because there was so
Speaker 7: much buzz around lou Anarumo this hiring cycle, and coming
Speaker 7: from the defense in Cincinnati who did not have a
Speaker 7: great year, I feel like that is sort of damning
Speaker 7: to Cincinnati because of the way that they set up
Speaker 7: Lou this year. And I think that ever since Jesse
Speaker 7: Bates left, the whole defense kind of crumbled, like he
Speaker 7: was sort of the Jenga piece, as Dave Damashak would
Speaker 7: talk about. I feel like he was the Jenga piece
Speaker 7: for that defense, and then it was just like they
Speaker 7: weren't able to do the things that lou likes to do,
Speaker 7: and that's why things just ended up the way in Cincinnati.
Speaker 7: But I don't think it's an indictment or a reflection
Speaker 7: of Lou as a coach, and I like the hir
Speaker 7: in Indy.
Speaker 1: All Right, well we'll revisit this and let's let's back
Speaker 1: in on the cult.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh that's a good call.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, in six years when Lou's looking
Speaker 1: for a different job, you'll give him six years there.
Speaker 1: But no, how about in a year or two when
Speaker 1: the Colts defense is coming off their title game appearance
Speaker 1: or Super Bowl winning h thing in louse.
Speaker 5: Gin I was early and Jack, she's I did want
Speaker 5: to ask you this, Colleen. Are you surprised that Ballard
Speaker 5: stayed like? That was one where I just I thought
Speaker 5: that was a given that he would be gone, But
Speaker 5: I guess not.
Speaker 7: I mean, I guess maybe the relationship that he has
Speaker 7: with Ursa must be really good for him to still
Speaker 7: be there. But I'm always surprised when it's not a
Speaker 7: full like GM head coach, everyone's out, let's bring in
Speaker 7: a full new chapter for each team, because that always
Speaker 7: feels like it's the right way. And I know we've
Speaker 7: talked about like there are examples like the Rams and
Speaker 7: like some other teams that do it differently.
Speaker 3: But I was surprised that they kept them.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: It's a good move. It feels like they needed a
Speaker 1: new voice. Gus Bradley had been there a long time
Speaker 1: before Sansteiken, and I think it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Just some quickies before we take a break. Brian Schottenheimer,
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator of the Cowboys, is interviewing for the
Speaker 1: head coaching job, and some belief in Dallas he might
Speaker 1: be the favorite. There we mentioned Jeff Albrook is Raheem
Speaker 1: Morris's new coordinator in Atlanta, and John Stryker back to
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Not back to the Patriots, but back to
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel. He is like his numbers guy Consiglieri.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mike Reese.
Speaker 5: ESPN dot Com was reporting this over the weekend that
Speaker 5: he John Striker, who is doing a situational game management
Speaker 5: and analyst role for the Rams and specifically for Sean McVay,
Speaker 5: is going to be heading back to Mike Rabel's staff.
Speaker 5: McVeigh plucked him out of Tennessee when Rabel was not
Speaker 5: going to be doing a job this last year. And
Speaker 5: it's interesting because it's pretty much night and day. A
Speaker 5: nicknamed Stretch, he had had such a stellar reputation across
Speaker 5: the league for finding little ways to win in margins
Speaker 5: and finding little advantages, little rules bending, little things with
Speaker 5: game management and situational analysis. That's been such a huge
Speaker 5: talking point around the league, little things with the clock
Speaker 5: and with managing officials and all of these different types
Speaker 5: of things that we don't often think about, but when
Speaker 5: they happened, we're.
Speaker 2: Like, that was so cool.
Speaker 4: How'd they think of that?
Speaker 5: That was all Stretch And everyone remembers the punt the
Speaker 5: punt play or the excuse me, the clock management where
Speaker 5: Rabrael Alt Belichick, Belichick, you know, Stretch was on his
Speaker 5: staff at that time, and he completely changed the way
Speaker 5: that Sean McVay manages games. I mean, he's now going
Speaker 5: forward on fourth down most of the time when he should.
Speaker 5: He's doing really interesting things that he never would have
Speaker 5: even thought about before, like fake throwing a challenge flag.
Speaker 5: Now this is not He would not confirm this to me,
Speaker 5: but he laughed hard enough to make me think this
Speaker 5: is what happened. Fake throwing a challenge flag even though
Speaker 5: you knew you couldn't challenge the play because there was
Speaker 5: four forward progress on the play and you could not
Speaker 5: challenge it. But the challenge, which you knew you weren't
Speaker 5: going to lose because the officials would give it back
Speaker 5: to him because you can't challenge on that play, would
Speaker 5: give the defense time to research and sub and different
Speaker 5: things like that that the Rams have quietly been doing
Speaker 5: all year because they knew they needed those advantages with
Speaker 5: a roster that was either young or less than in
Speaker 5: a different ways. I think this is quietly a huge
Speaker 5: higher and it also does play into or a rehire
Speaker 5: in that regard, and it does quietly play into a
Speaker 5: lot more coaching staffs are very under the radar hiring
Speaker 5: these guys who exists with the Ravens, John Park with
Speaker 5: the Cowboys, who is with the Colts for a long time.
Speaker 4: They definitely miss him.
Speaker 5: Guys who are on the field doing these things versus
Speaker 5: in an office somewhere down on the other side of
Speaker 5: the building working with an analytics department. They're in the
Speaker 5: headset now, And I think that's really interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good hire. Rabel knows him well. Say's
Speaker 1: contingly area and what is old is new again? I
Speaker 1: mean that's Ernie Adams's role with the Patriots, which NFL
Speaker 1: Films has done about fifteen different Like, no guy that
Speaker 1: didn't have an official title has been immortalized more than
Speaker 1: Ernie Adams, who essentially was Bill Belichick's game management analytics
Speaker 1: guy in the headset during games. The whole time he
Speaker 1: was with the Patriots. So Rabel's got his guy. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take a break. We'll come back with the segment
Speaker 1: on the other side.
Speaker 8: Twelve of the NFL's finest quarterbacks. I've left them of
Speaker 8: their states lugery swits for the adventure of them. Brid
Speaker 8: Iron heroes are used to leading their teams on the field,
Speaker 8: But can they outplay, outlast, and outthrow each other in
Speaker 8: the ultimate survival challenge? You ain't everything you have with
Speaker 8: the gobe to we find a way to win the.
Speaker 7: No matter what.
Speaker 8: The stakes are high and the competition is fierce.
Speaker 2: But I thought we were done.
Speaker 3: I thought we were.
Speaker 8: Done wise to the top, and who.
Speaker 7: Will be.
Speaker 2: That's the problem. Al right, back, let's go. This is
Speaker 2: Quarterback of the Island. Is here here he.
Speaker 1: As self appointed mayor of Quarterback Island?
Speaker 2: Am I allowed to even be there? I herefore call this.
Speaker 1: Surprise emergency Meeting of Quarterback Island to order. Our co
Speaker 1: executive producer Jordan rod Rieg said she had an item
Speaker 1: of business. And it's like one of those things where
Speaker 1: the Congress all like leave early for the holidays and
Speaker 1: they're like, nope, we've got to vote on some bills
Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2: Everyone get back to the Capitol, people to work.
Speaker 5: Here, I deem this topic and this matter at hand
Speaker 5: as crucial and necessary business. Okay, I hereby use my
Speaker 5: one and only riptide card.
Speaker 3: We still have them.
Speaker 4: We still have them.
Speaker 5: Okay, to pull Sam Darnold off of quarterbacks?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Well, remind everyone what a riptide card is.
Speaker 5: A riptide card is a one single use card for
Speaker 5: an entire NFL season and postseason, that in which you
Speaker 5: can pull without argument, one player off of Quarterback Island
Speaker 5: that you so choose. Now, unlike Greg's opinion on the matter,
Speaker 5: you cannot then instantly replace a player of your choosing.
Speaker 1: Well, let's be honest, we're all just playing fast and
Speaker 1: loose with the rules at this point of this season, your.
Speaker 3: Honor, some people, there are no rules.
Speaker 5: But I thereby would present to you all a nomination
Speaker 5: which then we would vote.
Speaker 2: Upot okay, so to review.
Speaker 1: When we finished the season and we thought it was
Speaker 1: for the season, We even sent out a little graphic.
Speaker 1: The final class of QB Island twenty twenty four was
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Jaden Daniels, Jared Goff, justin Herbert
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, and Geno Smith.
Speaker 1: And you believe the evidence since then has caused you
Speaker 1: to just pull that poor boy Sam Darnold off the island.
Speaker 5: And it wasn't just the last game of the season.
Speaker 5: It was that the struggles compounded into the postseason while
Speaker 5: another quarterback ascended. And so now that we have an
Speaker 5: empty space on quarterback Island, I would like to argue
Speaker 5: back and present to you for nomination. Matthew Stafford. Oh, first,
Speaker 5: I admit that he wasn't a fully worthy Islander by
Speaker 5: the end of the season, based on some of the
Speaker 5: rolls of his season overall, and especially the back third
Speaker 5: of it, which he admitted to me. We talked about
Speaker 5: this after the Vikings game, about how he did not
Speaker 5: play his best football or even close to it through
Speaker 5: the back third of the seasoning here, yes, yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm there, and I covered the team that. Yeah, that's
Speaker 5: good anyway, So yes, and so actually justifying not having
Speaker 5: him on. But the postseason performance against the Vikings, after
Speaker 5: the chaos of the fires of that week and the
Speaker 5: relocated game, Stafford did not just play an efficient game,
Speaker 5: he made a couple of his signature like only Matthew
Speaker 5: Stafford would even try that throw, let alone complete it.
Speaker 5: And even then I'd say, Okay, good stuff. You'd still
Speaker 5: be fair leaving the island as it is, because only
Speaker 5: extreme circumstances might get us to revisit what was voted
Speaker 5: on and therefore solidified.
Speaker 4: At the end of the season.
Speaker 5: And I think these are extreme circumstances. I was in
Speaker 5: Philadelphia watching and listening as he with busted ribs single
Speaker 5: handedly sent a ripple of quiet dread into one of
Speaker 5: the toughest and most badass fan bases in football history,
Speaker 5: and in the snow and icy winds made even those
Speaker 5: Eagles fans into believers as he put that defense totally
Speaker 5: on the ropes.
Speaker 4: With those last two drives.
Speaker 5: The way he played in those moments that made everyone
Speaker 5: understand that if the Rams were to win that game,
Speaker 5: they could legitimately win the Super Bowl, and his whole
Speaker 5: team came with him, and he convinced the head coach,
Speaker 5: who at times has been the one who you've had
Speaker 5: to pull into the feeling, and the quarterback who can
Speaker 5: actually do that to get Sean McVay to believe right
Speaker 5: along with you. That quarterback who can silence that road
Speaker 5: stadium and sling it in the elements and take control
Speaker 5: in that way even though he can't move for crap,
Speaker 5: should get to spend his off season in the warm
Speaker 5: comforts of Quarterback Island, where other current members Sam Donald,
Speaker 5: Jared Goff, and Justin Herbert, well not Donald anymore, totally
Speaker 5: crumbled in the playoffs. Thank you for the time and
Speaker 5: for your consideration.
Speaker 3: Wow, listen, I'm not going to stick up for Sam Donald.
Speaker 7: He burned me in a really big spot multiple times,
Speaker 7: and I am just very disappointed, Like I am mad
Speaker 7: and disappointed in Sam Donald.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's right.
Speaker 1: On game day morning, you went hard on Sam Donald.
Speaker 3: I was like, this is gonna pay off.
Speaker 1: Look like a get you did it a social post
Speaker 1: up in my face. I actually gave you a gift
Speaker 1: of telling you how right you were about Sam Donald
Speaker 1: on this show.
Speaker 2: Did you keep the receipt?
Speaker 3: You know, times things change, and that's just what life is.
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate because, like for a lot of he really
Speaker 1: did help define the season, and yet this isn't the
Speaker 1: MVP vote. Why do we have to be locked into
Speaker 1: the end of the regular season we're making this up
Speaker 1: as we go along. And now when you look back
Speaker 1: at the season as a whole, I do think you
Speaker 1: will remember those two Matthew Stafford performances. When I rewatched
Speaker 1: that game in the snow, I was even more impressed
Speaker 1: on the All twenty two that first drive and it
Speaker 1: was indicative of the rest of the game. Included three
Speaker 1: tight window throws that just shouldn't have been completed, that
Speaker 1: had to be absolutely perfect. Wasn't snowing at that point
Speaker 1: to be fair, but just the tight window rate in
Speaker 1: that game was so much higher than any other team
Speaker 1: that played all weekend. Darius Slay said it after the game,
Speaker 1: just how Stafford to sling it into like the smallest
Speaker 1: of windows and he got it done. And to do
Speaker 1: that and do it after the performance that he had
Speaker 1: with the Rams having to evacuate and then leave the
Speaker 1: city and get the win, he is one of the
Speaker 1: defining features. And I am ready to vote yes on
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold.
Speaker 5: Well, you don't get a choice on I use my
Speaker 5: rib t. You don't get a choice, But the vacancy
Speaker 5: should go to Matthew Stafford, is my yes.
Speaker 7: Oh, I think everyone is agreeing on that. I definitely
Speaker 7: thought that Matthew Stafford was going to lead the Rams
Speaker 7: to a win at the end, Thank god, Jaalen.
Speaker 2: Carter came in and stop that.
Speaker 7: They had all the momentum in the world though, and
Speaker 7: the Rams looked really, really good, and it was just
Speaker 7: like in the snow. Ye it wasn't It didn't feel
Speaker 7: like that was supposed to happen. And then all of
Speaker 7: a sudden they had life thanks to Jake Elliott missing
Speaker 7: those two extra points and the way that they just
Speaker 7: kind of caught fire and were able to just march
Speaker 7: right down the field.
Speaker 4: Two things.
Speaker 5: One, the guy who was running the elevator to go
Speaker 5: get us up and down into the bowels of the
Speaker 5: stadium where we were running to postgame press conferences and
Speaker 5: all of that kept referring to kept saying the phrase,
Speaker 5: Missy Elliott almost cost us the game, and I was like,
Speaker 5: it took me so long, actually click, that's it was incredible.
Speaker 5: I was like, I love Philadelphia Eagles fans, like that's
Speaker 5: because he missed the two kicks, and oh, it took
Speaker 5: me so long to actually understand, and because I was.
Speaker 4: Like, how was she here?
Speaker 3: Like I haven't been sleeping.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And then and then the other thing was like
Speaker 5: that that Jalen Carter outside inside fakestep to make it
Speaker 5: look like running a stunt and then actually coming up
Speaker 5: the middle had bolimmer in a blender, and it just
Speaker 5: it's fortunate that you know, it's a rookie center for
Speaker 5: the Rams playing there the stadium, Like, I give all
Speaker 5: the compliments, and I mean it to Philadelphia Eagles fans,
Speaker 5: I love to hear. I mean, I love, I love football.
Speaker 5: And that was so effing football. It rocked snow games.
Speaker 4: It was so sick games and.
Speaker 3: Philly are absolute best. I was so sad that I
Speaker 3: wasn't there.
Speaker 4: It was so sick.
Speaker 5: And but they it almost felt like they were all
Speaker 5: holding their breath.
Speaker 2: That was.
Speaker 5: It was spooky and cool, and no it wasn't snowing snowing,
Speaker 5: but there was like ice and sleep coming out of
Speaker 5: the sky the entire second half, even though even in
Speaker 5: some of those tight window throws.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I meant the first that first quarter driver,
Speaker 1: he was electric and he kept it going in that
Speaker 1: that that ten play drive there's he might be the
Speaker 1: only guy on the planet that could have done that
Speaker 1: drive that way, getting ten plays done one he was
Speaker 1: he was absolutely incredible.
Speaker 4: So you sure feels like it.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, hurt. There you go. So Matthew Stafford,
Speaker 2: you've made.
Speaker 7: It in Uh congratulations, thank you for that, and hopefully
Speaker 7: Steve Wish approves, you know, but we outvoted you anyways,
Speaker 7: three we got a voting.
Speaker 2: Block of three. Yes, got from Matthew Stafford and now
Speaker 2: QB Island.
Speaker 4: I won't be murdered in my sleep.
Speaker 1: For the season. Sorry, Sam, let's do the segment.
Speaker 2: That was a nice little surprise. Uh. It was just
Speaker 2: something that that you thought that basically maybe maybe you'll
Speaker 2: upset people, maybe not, but that you're going to choose
Speaker 2: violence on this great Tuesday. Why don't you go college?
Speaker 4: Oh okay, great, that did sound violent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I a great Honestly.
Speaker 7: I choose violence, first of all, against my landlord, who's
Speaker 7: deciding right now to rip up all of the bricks
Speaker 7: and concrete that's around the house. So jackhammers are NonStop
Speaker 7: all morning and afternoon.
Speaker 2: And that's fine.
Speaker 7: That's that's something that I'm dealing with though personally. But
Speaker 7: I choose violence against the Eagles passing game is a
Speaker 7: problem argument.
Speaker 3: The argument. I can't do the argument right now. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 7: This problem is like such an issue that they are
Speaker 7: one game away from going to.
Speaker 3: The Super Bowl.
Speaker 7: I'm so sorry that they didn't pass the ball in
Speaker 7: the snow and all of those conditions.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry that they have.
Speaker 7: Saquon Barkley and one of the best offensive lines in
Speaker 7: the entire league. How dare they run the ball? How
Speaker 7: dare they do what's working for them? Like, who cares
Speaker 7: how they're winning, They're doing it. I don't understand why
Speaker 7: people are complaining and picking apart this team when they're
Speaker 7: going for the NFC championship this weekend, Like, get out
Speaker 7: of here?
Speaker 3: Uh, how will they ever fix themselves?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: No, Like, I get it.
Speaker 7: Things would be a lot easier for the Eagles if
Speaker 7: they were able to have a more consistent, balanced offense. Sure,
Speaker 7: like these wins would probably come in an easier fashion
Speaker 7: for them. But they're still winning. And if you have Saquon,
Speaker 7: you have this defense that's so good, that offensive line,
Speaker 7: that running game, just lean on it and see where
Speaker 7: it takes you.
Speaker 3: Look cut, Colleen, it's so annoying. I hate it.
Speaker 2: Also, are you watching that one again? First half? Jalen
Speaker 2: hurts that was like a B plus Jalen Hurts game.
Speaker 2: He played well.
Speaker 1: He took a couple of sacks he shouldn't have, which
Speaker 1: he's just gonna do at this point. But if DeVante
Speaker 1: Smith doesn't get his head taken off and aj Brown
Speaker 1: doesn't drop great go ball on a touchdown, they're up
Speaker 1: twenty to seven at halftime, and Jalen Hurts has about
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy yards and he made all the
Speaker 1: right decisions in terms of when to run take the
Speaker 1: five yards, when to slide, and he actually was hitting
Speaker 1: his check down more often than usual. He obviously has
Speaker 1: shortcomings as like a pocket passer. He is also obviously
Speaker 1: the worst quarterback playing on this weekend, which is unfortunate.
Speaker 1: But the good thing is it's a team sport and
Speaker 1: he's playing at a level I think that can get
Speaker 1: them over the finish line and win the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: if they all play well around him and he plays,
Speaker 1: you know, closer to his best version and that he's healthy,
Speaker 1: which maybe by the end of that game he was
Speaker 1: not playing at his best version.
Speaker 3: But I really I finely got hurt in the third quarter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do give them.
Speaker 1: It also is like we're talking about like a couple
Speaker 1: of different snaps late in that game that people are
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 2: I didn't think he was moving that bad.
Speaker 1: Actually, he didn't play nearly as bad as I thought
Speaker 1: upon rewatching, and the offensive line had one of their
Speaker 1: worst games season.
Speaker 2: The offensive line's sneaking not been amazing for a month.
Speaker 2: That's that's my like lukewarm take.
Speaker 3: Oh, they're terrible.
Speaker 1: No, they're really good, terrible too, but they're like they're
Speaker 1: not getting the running game going consistently enough.
Speaker 2: Their success rate and they're down to down.
Speaker 1: Production hasn't been good, and they've made a lot of
Speaker 1: mental errors and they gave up a couple mistakes mentally
Speaker 1: for what the Rams were doing in terms of their
Speaker 1: pass rush that they had like won really upfront.
Speaker 5: I said this to you before the show. I thought
Speaker 5: that was a B plus Jalen Hurts game. I thought
Speaker 5: it was a D Kellen Moore all game because with
Speaker 5: Philadelphia loves you today.
Speaker 3: Loves Jordan rod Rey.
Speaker 4: I had a great time in your study. I send
Speaker 4: me more cheese steaks, please.
Speaker 3: Everyone really runned off on you.
Speaker 5: I in the walking in, I mean, you know, you
Speaker 5: never know what can happen walking into that stadium.
Speaker 4: In the parking lot.
Speaker 5: No, So you know, the the deep drop calls, I
Speaker 5: hate it. I'm like, yeah, I get them going in
Speaker 5: the checkdowns on the quick passing game.
Speaker 4: Don't even make it a check down.
Speaker 5: Give him a first to read outlet that's actually a
Speaker 5: short and a quick or a hot like, do those
Speaker 5: types of things that you can give to him. So
Speaker 5: he's not taking these deep drops and doing exactly what
Speaker 5: the Vikings at Nauseum did with Sam Darnold, these deep
Speaker 5: drops that play right into the hands of the strength
Speaker 5: of the Rams young pass rushers, even minus Braydon Fisk.
Speaker 4: That's what he kept doing, including in the end zone.
Speaker 5: I did not like that, but that's not on Jalen
Speaker 5: Hurts and when he was able to pick up gains
Speaker 5: and when he was able to get the ball down
Speaker 5: the field, whether taking the right moments to run before
Speaker 5: he got hurt or getting the ball to his playmakers,
Speaker 5: I thought he had a B plus game. I did
Speaker 5: not like the way Kellen Moore called that game at all.
Speaker 1: I agree, but again, I guess it was rewatching. Just think,
Speaker 1: and you can do this with a lot of games,
Speaker 1: but I think it was more exaggerated with this one.
Speaker 1: Was they were that Aj Brown, Like just three specific plays.
Speaker 1: AJ Brown dropping a pass he catches almost every time,
Speaker 1: the Mackai Beckton illegal man downfield, which is a mental error,
Speaker 1: and the Lane Johnson fallse start at the goal line.
Speaker 1: If you get two of those three, you're scoring forty points.
Speaker 1: I could not they they they made mistakes, but offensively
Speaker 1: they moved the ball more than consistently enough, and the
Speaker 1: rams were up for the challenge. But also like if
Speaker 1: they don't make those mistakes, they're putting up forty and
Speaker 1: no one's talking about Jill Hearns.
Speaker 2: All right, your your choice.
Speaker 5: Well, to choose violence not really violent, but I do
Speaker 5: choose violence on behalf of punters everywhere.
Speaker 4: We've had some really good punts this year.
Speaker 3: Guys, Oh my god, what is this?
Speaker 4: Colleagues like, got her head down?
Speaker 5: I think if a punter pins an offense inside the
Speaker 5: five yard line and then the defense gets a safety,
Speaker 5: and then the punter stat sheet should account for one
Speaker 5: of the points. I choose violence on the half of
Speaker 5: my punters everywhere.
Speaker 1: I mean, that feels more like a cat on your
Speaker 1: lap on a nice warm day. That's like a warm
Speaker 1: and fuzzy I don't know if that's violent.
Speaker 2: But I love it.
Speaker 4: I literally wrote, I don't have a violent take. I'm tired.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that idea just as a proposal though
Speaker 1: that punters, we should have more punting stats in general.
Speaker 2: Thanks like inside this.
Speaker 3: With more punting storyline.
Speaker 2: That was just a nice way to give Ethan Evans
Speaker 2: is his name?
Speaker 5: Well, yes, Ethan Evans had a great punt, but also
Speaker 5: be right before the safety. But also we've had some
Speaker 5: really outstanding especially punting is becoming an extension of the
Speaker 5: defense on some of these teams, and I've loved watching that.
Speaker 5: I will say I have another one that's I'm annoyed.
Speaker 4: I don't feel violent about it, okay, but I'm like
Speaker 4: annoyed about it.
Speaker 5: I don't think that coaching candidates, regardless of whether they're
Speaker 5: in a playoff game or not, should be able to
Speaker 5: interview with teams until everybody is done playing.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know who agrees with you?
Speaker 4: Who?
Speaker 5: Me?
Speaker 2: But also Bill Belichick I saw him make could you argue?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was surprised because it's it's been a tough.
Speaker 4: I'm annoyed by it.
Speaker 1: A parasocial relationship year for me and Bill Belichick. He
Speaker 1: doesn't know this, but I have not enjoyed his media career,
Speaker 1: and it just hasn't been saying anything.
Speaker 2: And I often disagree. It's just hasn't been good.
Speaker 5: I don't like how to handle that that I'm not
Speaker 5: saying anything.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, we agree with it. He made he
Speaker 1: made this point, and I saw it this week. He
Speaker 1: made this exact same case, and I do agree with it.
Speaker 7: Greg was like, finally Bill Belichick says something that's worth something.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4: I'm just annoyed about it.
Speaker 5: I think it sets everybody back, whether it is trying
Speaker 5: to do right by minority candidates, whether it is stressing
Speaker 5: the f out of candidates who are preparing for playoff
Speaker 5: games and taking things off of their plate, whether it
Speaker 5: is basically just wasting time by people you know you're
Speaker 5: not going to hire. You're just waiting for coaches on
Speaker 5: good teams, and it's like, everyone, chill, wait one second.
Speaker 5: It's your own fault if you're so god awful that
Speaker 5: you fired your coach halfway through the season. Let the
Speaker 5: good teams cook and fully focus and wait your turn
Speaker 5: to speak to them, and then in that way, everything
Speaker 5: equalizes a little bit more.
Speaker 3: This is common sense, like this is what the rule
Speaker 3: should be.
Speaker 1: And I wonder though, if the Lions hadn't lost, let's
Speaker 1: say they go to the Super Bowl, does Ben Johnson
Speaker 1: get hired by the Bears for sure?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they wait till February and it's fine, and
Speaker 1: it's and it's kind of a agreed to like Kyle
Speaker 1: seen with that money was back back in the day.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like the whole thing seems off to me,
Speaker 1: because of course it's a distraction. People talk about like, oh,
Speaker 1: distractions in the locker room, and like I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that the Lions lost because of that, but of course
Speaker 1: it's a distraction. You're going to these interviews, and if
Speaker 1: you really want to get the job, you're really preparing
Speaker 1: hard for the interviews and spending a lot of time.
Speaker 1: Not that like you're not it's not like they're missing
Speaker 1: team meeting anything like that.
Speaker 2: But that's a lot of stress.
Speaker 5: It's just like well, and also and also it's it's
Speaker 5: derivative of the candidate's time, regardless of who they are,
Speaker 5: because you're saying, oh, we'll go on Zoom for an hour.
Speaker 5: That way, we're not taking up your time, and it's like,
Speaker 5: how the hell could you get a feel for somebody
Speaker 5: over zoom in an hour? And then second of all,
Speaker 5: like you're not even really actually doing proper research at
Speaker 5: that point and it's all being agent fed instead instead
Speaker 5: of you getting in the weeds with these people and
Speaker 5: like actually looking and seeing what they're about and like it, okay,
Speaker 5: I am violent about it.
Speaker 2: I'm yeah, And just never even met with the Bears
Speaker 2: in person, Like that was just a right.
Speaker 3: It was just why everyone came out to see him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we're like, are we sure this is him around?
Speaker 4: He's not wearing a hat?
Speaker 2: I mean yeah.
Speaker 1: It is a little crazy, and of course it would
Speaker 1: be distracting less so for the gms, this is actually
Speaker 1: a good time. This is coaching specific to be taking
Speaker 1: those interviews. They're busy, but they they can they can
Speaker 1: handle it. But that's like a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of preparation. Actually, our our friend Anthony Weaver, I'm calling
Speaker 1: him a friend because he was a guest on the show,
Speaker 1: and I don't think you would know who I was
Speaker 1: quite yet, but I'm calling him a friend. In Miami,
Speaker 1: they asked him a week or two before the season
Speaker 1: and about interviewing for these jobs, and he was like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, my agent was getting on me because he
Speaker 1: asked me, what have I done to prepare for these
Speaker 1: interviews and I told him absolutely nothing. I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: putting everything into these final weeks of the season. And
Speaker 1: that was, you know, the regular season, And that was
Speaker 1: maybe a tell that, like, he might have an uphill
Speaker 1: battle in this in this cycle, because there are certainly
Speaker 1: coaches that have gone through it a few times and they.
Speaker 3: Would respect that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do respect it.
Speaker 1: If you're especially if you're working for the Dolphins, you
Speaker 1: respect it.
Speaker 2: But like it takes a lot.
Speaker 1: Anyways, let's go to my favorite part of the show
Speaker 1: and it's called Puppy Corner. Let's learn about man Colleen
Speaker 1: Wolf before we say goodbye. I know your life has
Speaker 1: been thrown upside down by a new creature.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, one day, why didn't I.
Speaker 7: Just drive out to Palmdale in the middle of nowhere,
Speaker 7: go to the pound.
Speaker 3: And pick up a puppy. It's gonna be so nice.
Speaker 7: I finally will have like a full time puppy living
Speaker 7: with me. And I mean I didn't really realize how
Speaker 7: much of a puppy this one was they said she
Speaker 7: was about a year and a half, which, yeah, that's
Speaker 7: still puppy energy. But she's a border Collie so she's
Speaker 7: very smart.
Speaker 3: And very active.
Speaker 7: And I went with Keema, which, by the way, if
Speaker 7: anyone gave me a name submission, thank you.
Speaker 3: That was so entertaining.
Speaker 1: Here's a picture if you're watching on YouTube, your face.
Speaker 1: It's the only exclusive of place you can find a
Speaker 1: picture beautiful Keema.
Speaker 3: So yes, I went with Keema.
Speaker 7: I got hundreds of name submissions. My mom has actively
Speaker 7: told me that she doesn't like the name Keema and
Speaker 7: has given me another set of possible names, but.
Speaker 3: Kema is I can't leave the house.
Speaker 7: Without Keema freaking out because she has separation anxiety. So
Speaker 7: I have been sort of under house arrest and just
Speaker 7: trying to work with her. She pulled out her in
Speaker 7: her stitches and staples on her. She got spade and
Speaker 7: she worked her way out of multiple cones, so we're
Speaker 7: now on the third cone. I watched Sunday's games, the Eagles.
Speaker 7: I watched everyone on Sunday at the animal hospital because
Speaker 7: I was there with her as she got re stitched
Speaker 7: and stapled. So now she's home and I have someone
Speaker 7: watching her, so I'll go back and Yeah, today I
Speaker 7: found her standing on top of the kitchen table like
Speaker 7: a cat.
Speaker 3: But she's forty five pounds.
Speaker 4: A counter surf huh, I love it. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I grew up with a it's going shalty, a Shetland
Speaker 1: sheep dog, which is a close relation a mix that
Speaker 1: includes the border colleague. Yeah, and I could have I
Speaker 1: could have told you they're a little more, you know
Speaker 1: how some people say like, oh, yeah, my dog is
Speaker 1: he's kind of like a cat. Like they're not that
Speaker 1: they're going to take their their high maintenance.
Speaker 2: They're a lot. Yeah, they're a lot of fun, but
Speaker 2: they're a lot.
Speaker 3: She's very funny, just very smart though.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so she has already figured out a lot of
Speaker 7: workarounds for things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what a terrorist. I'm so excited for you.
Speaker 5: First of all, she is fully emotionally and physically in
Speaker 5: charge of your house now, So congratulations. I'm really excited
Speaker 5: for you though, because my Tucker is a shepherd college mix.
Speaker 4: Oh, he countersurved. Just to give your heads up.
Speaker 5: He counter surfed until he was no so and this
Speaker 5: was barricades. He knows how to open doors. He learned
Speaker 5: how to do all of these things. But once they once.
Speaker 4: But I'm it's a good thing. It's a good thing.
Speaker 5: Once once they grow into you and learn you, it's
Speaker 5: like they really respect your tendencies and your personality and
Speaker 5: the way that you operate her, and like they fit
Speaker 5: themselves into your life in a very cool, very human way.
Speaker 5: And it's it's so rocks because you can see them
Speaker 5: figuring it out, like she's figuring you out. I don't know,
Speaker 5: but Eric is laughing more than I just love I
Speaker 5: love that for you.
Speaker 4: I'm excited.
Speaker 3: I love it too.
Speaker 2: You have about five years until really calms down.
Speaker 7: You had a child, ye, that was like you like
Speaker 7: gradu to get like day care for her.
Speaker 3: I'm flying my dad out here.
Speaker 7: To watch her when I go to the super Bowl
Speaker 7: because like she can't be left alone for even thirty seconds.
Speaker 3: She cries.
Speaker 7: When I go into the shower, she freaks out.
Speaker 2: Six or seven those were prime, you know, years after.
Speaker 3: The amount of negotiating I did with her.
Speaker 4: That's she that's that they love that.
Speaker 3: Uh huh. Yeah. She learned steps the other day and
Speaker 3: what mirrors are.
Speaker 7: So we're really just I have she's like four months old.
Speaker 7: It feels like.
Speaker 5: I'm so happy for you though, because you two are
Speaker 5: begining to become this bonded pair, like she's going to
Speaker 5: be ride or died, just all about.
Speaker 3: It's just cool.
Speaker 4: I'm excited for you.
Speaker 5: I know it's a lot. I can Tucker and I
Speaker 5: volunteer to help with whatever. He's very calming. He's been
Speaker 5: through it, you know. He's like, I've been that girl,
Speaker 5: you know. So yeah, whatever you need, we got your Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, that was another episode of Puppy Corner.
Speaker 3: There will be many more.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to return.
Speaker 3: I've cried so many times.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, are you okay? Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: It's like Rihanna said, you know, you found in love
Speaker 1: in a hopeless place. There was there was all this
Speaker 1: tragedy in our area, and coming out of the fire
Speaker 1: there came Keema into your life.
Speaker 4: You did a really good thing, Colleen.
Speaker 2: Will you will remember.
Speaker 1: I mean, it'll all be mashed up together, right, the
Speaker 1: fires and Keema coming into your life now now forever.
Speaker 3: I love her.
Speaker 7: She's really sweet, she's funny, She's just a handful. So
Speaker 7: I brought a terrorist into the home.
Speaker 1: And I mentioned at the top of the show that
Speaker 1: you were still receiving some holiday cards before we say goodbye.
Speaker 1: Who cares it's January twenty first here you want to
Speaker 1: open one? I have a feeling Colleen's.
Speaker 2: Tree is still up. Am I right?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No? I thought mean, I mean you got one from Germany.
Speaker 7: Got one from Germany. That's cool, it was really fun.
Speaker 7: This is from Pascal Brogue.
Speaker 2: Hammer cool.
Speaker 3: He says, hi to Tim my brother, so thank you
Speaker 3: for that.
Speaker 7: We got one from Emily Volts and Luke.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Toby Straker, the only listener who addressed
Speaker 1: me and colleague, Oh, so I like you. We got
Speaker 1: we got one from South Dakota and North Dakota.
Speaker 5: We you guys got one from Adrian Vasquez from North Texas.
Speaker 5: And he said something I can relate to. Forgive this
Speaker 5: smeared envelope. I'm a lefty. Best wishes for.
Speaker 2: Toby.
Speaker 1: By the way, is a Raiders fans does mention you
Speaker 1: specifically Bordan in the in the card and says he's
Speaker 1: looking forward to more draft content soon. I'm glad you
Speaker 1: mentioned that, Toby, because we're going to go hard. It's
Speaker 1: a daily podcast. We're gonna go very hard on the
Speaker 1: NFL Draft. I'm looking forward to that. Sounded like a
Speaker 1: threat season.
Speaker 3: Oh, Emily got a new puppy.
Speaker 7: Oh, she says, Merry Christmas to Colleen.
Speaker 3: Greg Jordan's whole yes corner continues.
Speaker 1: You guys are the best. We we love our viewers,
Speaker 1: our listeners. Keep playing it eric as we get out
Speaker 1: of here.
Speaker 4: Oh go birds.
Speaker 7: From one long suffering Philly fan to another, my dog
Speaker 7: says hello.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: I just hope, honestly, if you guys keep sending Christmas
Speaker 1: cards throughout the year, this can be a semi regular Oh,
Speaker 1: this is amazing part of the show. We'll be back
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, Luke Patrick claibon some special guests. Yes, when
Speaker 1: when the Jets and the Bears are getting their fan
Speaker 1: bases hopes up again.
Speaker 2: It's hope season already for teams.
Speaker 1: Around the NFL. You know football is back. I'll see
Speaker 1: you Wednesday.
Speaker 3: I love the parts