WEBVTT - Musical Hallucinations Gone Wild

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie,

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<v Speaker 1>did do you hear music? Do you hear music? Just now?

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<v Speaker 1>Like a little kind of electronic uh can kind of beat,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of bowl thing going on? Well not, but but

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<v Speaker 1>well there was, you know, it's just kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>beat to it, and oh, yeah, that's that's our music.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, all right, well that then that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Breathing you're not crazy to breathe a sigh of relief

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<v Speaker 1>there um, Because as as we're going to discuss in

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast, as we attempt to try some a little

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<v Speaker 1>new blow your mind in fifteen minutes or less, um,

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<v Speaker 1>there are these things called musical hallucinations, which is okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're not like having a hallucination about Annie the

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<v Speaker 1>musical right, but yeah, you do not. You're not hallucinating

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<v Speaker 1>that Daddy Warbucks is coming up to you and like

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<v Speaker 1>giving you a cookie and you're having and you're having

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<v Speaker 1>to chase dogs in the streets or anything good, because

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<v Speaker 1>that would be really frightening. Datty Warbock is awesome fun. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but but no, it's not a visual hallucination. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>more like you're say, you're just setting there, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in your living room alone or in your hospital bed alone,

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<v Speaker 1>and you you just keep hearing the sun will come

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<v Speaker 1>out tomorrow, the sun will come out tomorrow, just over

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<v Speaker 1>and over again, over and over again, and nobody else

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<v Speaker 1>can hear the Yeah, and you're like, you know, pulling

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<v Speaker 1>it nurses and saying, do you hear that? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>hear the sun will come out tomorrow? When when will

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<v Speaker 1>the song end? And then all of a sudden you're

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<v Speaker 1>injected with something and yeah, and it's not an ear worm.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like you know, and you're not schizophrenic either,

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<v Speaker 1>right right though in schizophrenica they do well, Schizophrenics often

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<v Speaker 1>experience uh or in some cases experience what's called a

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<v Speaker 1>pseudo hallucination, a pseudo music hallucination within a hallucination. No,

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<v Speaker 1>pseudo hallucination is when you you know that it's not

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<v Speaker 1>coming from the role, like you're not fooled by it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a situation where you're not saying, whoa who's

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<v Speaker 1>playing that music? You're like, there's this music and it's

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<v Speaker 1>not real, and it's you know, it's clearly not coming

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<v Speaker 1>from some sort of outside force. Okay, so that's just

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<v Speaker 1>like the background music to hallucinations if you're schizophrenic. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you're not schizophrenic, it just seems to be coming

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<v Speaker 1>out of nowhere, right, it seems like it's coming out

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<v Speaker 1>of the stereo. Now. It's also important to note that

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<v Speaker 1>some auditory hallucinations are normal, like especially when you're just

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<v Speaker 1>as you're waking up in the morning or going to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep at night. Uh, you you there's a chance you'll

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<v Speaker 1>hear something that's not real. But if you're hearing it

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<v Speaker 1>elsewhere in the day, like like I said, just at noon,

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't been asleep or anything and you're hearing a song,

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<v Speaker 1>then then that's where you probably need to go to

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<v Speaker 1>a doctor. And this is a real thing. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a real thing. You're not making this up, not a

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<v Speaker 1>joke podcast. Well, and this is the thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's troublesome is it's mostly found in the elderly population,

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<v Speaker 1>right with with hearing loss, yes, which is I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like, all right, you're getting older, you're

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<v Speaker 1>hard of hearing, and then all of a sudden you

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<v Speaker 1>have this loop of music that you can't stop. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems terribly depressing. Yeah. One of the stats I was

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<v Speaker 1>looking at is one and about ten thousand people over

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<v Speaker 1>the age of sixty five experienced these and uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>again it's commonly elderly people with hearing problems. There's this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Victor Disease. Yes, yeah, not to be confused with

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<v Speaker 1>Comedian of Saint Cadoc's Hospital in Wales. Uh. And he

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<v Speaker 1>studied musical hallucinations in thirty patients and he found that indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>they generally occur in patients around seventy three years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight percent women. Um, well, I mean women live longer,

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<v Speaker 1>so I can't help but think that probably right, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>live alone and uh and many of them had hearing impairment,

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<v Speaker 1>right right. And I actually was looking at the Journal

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<v Speaker 1>of Neurology, Neurosurgery and Psychiatry and they had a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of examples of this. Um. They're both women that were

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<v Speaker 1>in seventy five and eighty um. But the one, the

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<v Speaker 1>eighty year old nun, she was a retired school teacher

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<v Speaker 1>and she had actually had a deafness or a level

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<v Speaker 1>of deafness for like forty years. But then she happened

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<v Speaker 1>to hear um ringing and buzzing in her ears, and

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<v Speaker 1>then she heard a really loud, intense noise that was

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<v Speaker 1>coming from traffic, or so she reported. And several hours

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<v Speaker 1>later she became aware of an intense noise in her

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<v Speaker 1>head and she said it was like a boiler factory.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was followed by the perception of someone singing

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<v Speaker 1>jingle bells boiler factory. I think that's a drum and

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<v Speaker 1>bass grout. I know, I kept thinking, boiler factory. What

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<v Speaker 1>does a boiler factory sound like? You know? Um? I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it just sounds like a cauldron of soup. Was

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<v Speaker 1>interesting in the study that has ease, did they actually

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<v Speaker 1>nailed down the most common songs that these these older

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<v Speaker 1>at The number one was who Let the Dogs Out?

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<v Speaker 1>And the number two was was an all In Parson's

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<v Speaker 1>project song And now I'm just kidding, but no, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like that. One of the big ones was like an

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<v Speaker 1>old like um religious tune called a Bide with Me.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know it, yeah, but apparently it was big

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day. So because that's the thing. The

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<v Speaker 1>they're kind of like earworms in the sense that they

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<v Speaker 1>are that you're gonna you're gonna have musical hallucinations of

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<v Speaker 1>songs that you've heard before, songs you've probably liked or

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<v Speaker 1>you've just heard over and over again throughout your life

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<v Speaker 1>to the point of nausea, you know, right right, Because

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's the memory part of the brain, especially in

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<v Speaker 1>people who have some level of deafness, that are reconstructing

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<v Speaker 1>this strong this song right. Um. And we we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into a little bit later about why that is, why

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<v Speaker 1>it's going haywire, so to speak. But I also wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to mention that epileptic seizure, certain medications, and lyme disease

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<v Speaker 1>are a few of the factors that might set this

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<v Speaker 1>off as well. So you don't necessarily have to be

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<v Speaker 1>elderly with some level of deafness. You could have had

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of procedure. Um. Actually, this happens to Um.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one man who had a heart operation and

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<v Speaker 1>then he woke up later and began to hear It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't like Eva, prone, don't cry for me, Argentina. That

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of great and awful at the same time. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not just you know, you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>be deaf to do this. This is this happens. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and again I'm disease, So check for ticks because otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>you might wind up having I can't get no satisfaction

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<v Speaker 1>over and over again into your head until you go

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<v Speaker 1>completely mad. Yeah, you don't have to keep thinking about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the generations to come, if this happens to them,

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<v Speaker 1>will they have like Justin Bieber or like baby you

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<v Speaker 1>know baby, it'll be that Lady Gaga song will be Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I won't do it. I think I've pushed it far

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<v Speaker 1>enough with Justin Bieler. This presentation is brought to you

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<v Speaker 1>by Intel Sponsors of Tomorrow. So, yeah, you have this

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<v Speaker 1>happening mainly with the elderly population and with people who

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<v Speaker 1>are have had some sort of deafness. Um. But both

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<v Speaker 1>of the patients that I talked about, that five year

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<v Speaker 1>old woman who had something similar in which she had

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<v Speaker 1>old hymns and the eighty year old woman who was

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<v Speaker 1>the former nun who had jingle bells, both of them

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<v Speaker 1>could replace these hallucinations willfully with songs, other songs or

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<v Speaker 1>prose of their own choosing um by concentrating. Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're just kind of like it's like an internal

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<v Speaker 1>iPod and you just like think hard enough and you

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<v Speaker 1>can skip to a different track. Yeah, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>them could actually slow it down to Oh that sounds

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<v Speaker 1>kind of nightmaric. I know. Yeah, you know, but but

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<v Speaker 1>where you think that you're hearing the devils. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>would always saying, I mean, I would have these night

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<v Speaker 1>tares or they're kind of like night tares when I

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<v Speaker 1>was a kid, where it would be Fred Sandford speaking

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<v Speaker 1>really slowly. Yes, I'm serious, not making that up. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't happen long, but it would like it happened a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of times, and it was scary because you wake

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<v Speaker 1>up and it's just like Roman and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean, I can't even do it is like

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<v Speaker 1>slow motion, as if Fred Sandford were speaking through a fan.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about Sanford the Sun here. Yeah, yeah, Red Fox. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>just just for so yeah, slowing down jingle bells sounds horrifying. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be very much. Um, So you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess the question is why does it happen? Yes, and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And researchers believe that that that these hallucinations may actually

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it comes down to disruptions in the communication

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<v Speaker 1>pathways between the sensory centers in the neo cortex of

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<v Speaker 1>the brain and the reticular formation. So it's um. For instance,

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<v Speaker 1>of pet scans they've done, they found that the patients

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<v Speaker 1>are of suffering from these musical hallucinations. All right. It

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<v Speaker 1>lights up the same areas of the brain that are

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<v Speaker 1>lit up by listening to music. So the brain is

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<v Speaker 1>actually stimulating itself to to get the to get this music,

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<v Speaker 1>to get these sounds going. Uh, and it's retrieving them

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<v Speaker 1>from the patient's memories. Okay. And this is in the

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<v Speaker 1>elderly population with levels of deafness. Okay, so they're having

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<v Speaker 1>the same parts of their brain light up as someone

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<v Speaker 1>who with normal hearing. Yeah, okay, So I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>problem is then that the it doesn't activate the primary

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<v Speaker 1>auditory cortex, which is the first stop for sound in

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<v Speaker 1>the brain. So when they're hallucinating, they're only using parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the brain that are responsible for turning simple sounds

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<v Speaker 1>into complex music. And so these regions, these music processing regions,

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<v Speaker 1>may be continually looking for signals in the brain that

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<v Speaker 1>they can interpret, and that's where it gets kind of haywire, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of get the I guess the way I

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<v Speaker 1>tend to to sort of interpret it though. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like the brain is like, hey, we really

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<v Speaker 1>need to listen to Alan Parson's projects I in the

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<v Speaker 1>Sky song, but we can't. We can't find it and

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<v Speaker 1>we can't actually hear it. Go into go into the memory,

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<v Speaker 1>see what you can find. Let's drag that out and

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's listen to it inside and seeing. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's fascinating. And it's trying to match the impulses to

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<v Speaker 1>the memories of music, right, But it's not all the

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<v Speaker 1>hardwares there. Um So, it is that sort of mental

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<v Speaker 1>malfunction with these random impulses that are generated by the brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Um so. I mean this would also explain why so

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<v Speaker 1>many of the sufferers happen to be deaf or hearing

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<v Speaker 1>impaired because they they're stimuli deprived. Hearing centers of the

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<v Speaker 1>brain have become so hyper sensitive to these impulses. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of nuts. Um did you know about the

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<v Speaker 1>O C D factor? No, I don't think I ran

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<v Speaker 1>across that. It's pretty interesting. It's a study by Dr

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<v Speaker 1>Haggai Harmesh and he presented a link between musical hallucinations

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<v Speaker 1>and O C D so UM, because researchers examined people

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<v Speaker 1>with a bunch of mental disorders bipolar UM, depressive disorder

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<v Speaker 1>O c D, panic disorder, schizophrenia, social phobia, and so

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<v Speaker 1>on and so forth, and of those groups, none ranked

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<v Speaker 1>as high in instances of musical hallucinations as those patients

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<v Speaker 1>with O c D forty one as compared to in schizophrenics,

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<v Speaker 1>which I thought was really interesting because there's this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of repetitive thought element to it which is a hallmark

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<v Speaker 1>of O c D. It's like, instead of washing your hands,

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<v Speaker 1>it's that song. It's that Yeah, you're you're struggling your

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<v Speaker 1>brain with this song over and over again. UM. So

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<v Speaker 1>that actually has been really useful for doctors because they

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<v Speaker 1>begin to use SSR eyes to try to treat it. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>If it happens to fall on the O c D

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<v Speaker 1>marker Um, do they think that they might be able

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<v Speaker 1>to alleviate it a little bit that way? Um? Because

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<v Speaker 1>if if you can, you know, ramp down those O

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<v Speaker 1>c D UM elements of it, then the thought is

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<v Speaker 1>then maybe you could quiet the repetitive of the song

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<v Speaker 1>now given sufficient hearing. UM. I understand they've also been

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<v Speaker 1>able to use the just some like headphones, iPods. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well that's what I think. That's fascinating. It's like we'll

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<v Speaker 1>just combat it with another song, you know, So just

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<v Speaker 1>okay that justin Bieber song is getting your nerves? How

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<v Speaker 1>about this one? You know? Um? But yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's sort of the sad part of this is

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<v Speaker 1>that there's really no bulletproof method to get rid of this.

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<v Speaker 1>People just sort of have to live with it. And

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<v Speaker 1>uh ZS actually argues and every time I say his name,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still picturing his sound. Sorry. But yeah, but as

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<v Speaker 1>these beliefs that that that that our use are just

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<v Speaker 1>excessive use of iPods and and walkman's in the modern era,

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<v Speaker 1>that it's gonna make us even more susceptible to this

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<v Speaker 1>as this generation gets older. Yeah, I kind of wonder

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<v Speaker 1>about before because I mean, you've all we've always been

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<v Speaker 1>bombarded by um all sorts of auditorious stimuli, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean on one level, it's like I do feel

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<v Speaker 1>like like iPods and Wattmans it allows us to just

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<v Speaker 1>constantly just bombard our brain with the soundtrack. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I am just I constantly have music going

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<v Speaker 1>unless I'm you know, actually having to socialize with somebody. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm listening to a mix right now in

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<v Speaker 1>my other ear. I'm only get you know, I was

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<v Speaker 1>and see your earbud. Yeah, but but you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's so on one hand, yeah, I can say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people were listening, probably to more music

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<v Speaker 1>than you could have in recent ages. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>people were music junkies. Have We've had music junkies for

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<v Speaker 1>a while. I mean, you can you know, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like you could only play a record player for an

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<v Speaker 1>hour a day and you had to have like a

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<v Speaker 1>donkey moving. They have, you know, empowering the turntable. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which would be kind of cool or not. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a luddite. Yeah, but um, but yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's necessarily going to increase incidences of this, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because it does seem to be something that has to

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<v Speaker 1>do with hearing loss and just getting that part of

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<v Speaker 1>the circuitry um sort of tripped up. But to me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, if anything, having more access to music is

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<v Speaker 1>just another diversion, right, Yeah, And it seems like at

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<v Speaker 1>the very least you'll you've have there's so much great

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<v Speaker 1>music out there that we're able to, you know, find

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<v Speaker 1>in so little time that at least the stuff is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be stuck in our heads when we get older.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be really good. Yeah, hopefully, right. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I don't know. Is it fifteen minutes?

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<v Speaker 1>We're not actually timing this. I don't know. We might

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<v Speaker 1>have gone over if if we did. Hey, bonus, you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even have to pay for that extra that's right,

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<v Speaker 1>if you didn't. Hey, that's that's another couple of minutes

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<v Speaker 1>to put on your favorite tune. Hey. Speaking of of

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<v Speaker 1>of ending it here, though, let's go ahead and jump

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<v Speaker 1>onto the listener mail. We had a listener by the

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<v Speaker 1>think it's his, uh because hand Yeah, I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>And uh. He says, Hey, Robert Julie, I enjoyed your

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<v Speaker 1>podcast on swarm psychology and intelligence. Uh. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>goes on to point out something that that he really

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<v Speaker 1>contributes to the conversation. Here. He says, there's a naturalist

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<v Speaker 1>philosophy called the guy a principle part of the theory

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<v Speaker 1>is that at a certain point of human population growth,

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<v Speaker 1>if I recall call it correctly ten billion, the humans

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<v Speaker 1>The planet thinking is one with humans acting as brain

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<v Speaker 1>cells of the unified mind. On the surface, that sounds

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<v Speaker 1>at the world we live in today, it seems to

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<v Speaker 1>ten billion, Doesn't it seem like this is slowly becoming

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<v Speaker 1>a reality? So I think it's a very good question, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we've this The population is unprecedented, right, we

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<v Speaker 1>know it's just going to grow exponentially. So does that

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