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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie,

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Speaker 1: did do you hear music? Do you hear music? Just now?

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Speaker 1: Like a little kind of electronic uh can kind of beat,

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Speaker 1: kind of bowl thing going on? Well not, but but

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Speaker 1: well there was, you know, it's just kind of a

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Speaker 1: beat to it, and oh, yeah, that's that's our music.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, well that then that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Breathing you're not crazy to breathe a sigh of relief

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Speaker 1: there um, Because as as we're going to discuss in

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Speaker 1: this podcast, as we attempt to try some a little

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Speaker 1: new blow your mind in fifteen minutes or less, um,

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Speaker 1: there are these things called musical hallucinations, which is okay,

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Speaker 1: so you're not like having a hallucination about Annie the

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Speaker 1: musical right, but yeah, you do not. You're not hallucinating

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Speaker 1: that Daddy Warbucks is coming up to you and like

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Speaker 1: giving you a cookie and you're having and you're having

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Speaker 1: to chase dogs in the streets or anything good, because

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Speaker 1: that would be really frightening. Datty Warbock is awesome fun. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but but no, it's not a visual hallucination. But it's

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Speaker 1: more like you're say, you're just setting there, you know,

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Speaker 1: in your living room alone or in your hospital bed alone,

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Speaker 1: and you you just keep hearing the sun will come

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Speaker 1: out tomorrow, the sun will come out tomorrow, just over

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Speaker 1: and over again, over and over again, and nobody else

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Speaker 1: can hear the Yeah, and you're like, you know, pulling

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Speaker 1: it nurses and saying, do you hear that? Do you

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Speaker 1: hear the sun will come out tomorrow? When when will

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Speaker 1: the song end? And then all of a sudden you're

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Speaker 1: injected with something and yeah, and it's not an ear worm.

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Speaker 1: It's not like you know, and you're not schizophrenic either,

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Speaker 1: right right though in schizophrenica they do well, Schizophrenics often

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Speaker 1: experience uh or in some cases experience what's called a

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Speaker 1: pseudo hallucination, a pseudo music hallucination within a hallucination. No,

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Speaker 1: pseudo hallucination is when you you know that it's not

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Speaker 1: coming from the role, like you're not fooled by it.

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Speaker 1: So it's a situation where you're not saying, whoa who's

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Speaker 1: playing that music? You're like, there's this music and it's

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Speaker 1: not real, and it's you know, it's clearly not coming

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Speaker 1: from some sort of outside force. Okay, so that's just

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Speaker 1: like the background music to hallucinations if you're schizophrenic. But

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Speaker 1: if you're not schizophrenic, it just seems to be coming

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Speaker 1: out of nowhere, right, it seems like it's coming out

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Speaker 1: of the stereo. Now. It's also important to note that

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Speaker 1: some auditory hallucinations are normal, like especially when you're just

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Speaker 1: as you're waking up in the morning or going to

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Speaker 1: sleep at night. Uh, you you there's a chance you'll

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Speaker 1: hear something that's not real. But if you're hearing it

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Speaker 1: elsewhere in the day, like like I said, just at noon,

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Speaker 1: you haven't been asleep or anything and you're hearing a song,

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Speaker 1: then then that's where you probably need to go to

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Speaker 1: a doctor. And this is a real thing. This is

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Speaker 1: a real thing. You're not making this up, not a

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Speaker 1: joke podcast. Well, and this is the thing that I

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Speaker 1: think it's troublesome is it's mostly found in the elderly population,

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Speaker 1: right with with hearing loss, yes, which is I mean

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like, all right, you're getting older, you're

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Speaker 1: hard of hearing, and then all of a sudden you

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Speaker 1: have this loop of music that you can't stop. It

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Speaker 1: seems terribly depressing. Yeah. One of the stats I was

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Speaker 1: looking at is one and about ten thousand people over

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Speaker 1: the age of sixty five experienced these and uh. And

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Speaker 1: again it's commonly elderly people with hearing problems. There's this guy,

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Speaker 1: doctor Victor Disease. Yes, yeah, not to be confused with

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Speaker 1: Comedian of Saint Cadoc's Hospital in Wales. Uh. And he

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Speaker 1: studied musical hallucinations in thirty patients and he found that indeed,

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Speaker 1: they generally occur in patients around seventy three years old.

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Speaker 1: Eight percent women. Um, well, I mean women live longer,

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Speaker 1: so I can't help but think that probably right, Uh,

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Speaker 1: of Neurology, Neurosurgery and Psychiatry and they had a couple

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Speaker 1: of examples of this. Um. They're both women that were

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Speaker 1: And this was followed by the perception of someone singing

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Speaker 1: mean it just sounds like a cauldron of soup. Was

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Speaker 1: interesting in the study that has ease, did they actually

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Speaker 1: nailed down the most common songs that these these older

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Speaker 1: at The number one was who Let the Dogs Out?

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Speaker 1: And the number two was was an all In Parson's

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Speaker 1: project song And now I'm just kidding, but no, it's

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Speaker 1: like that. One of the big ones was like an

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Speaker 1: I don't know it, yeah, but apparently it was big

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Speaker 1: are that you're gonna you're gonna have musical hallucinations of

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Speaker 1: songs that you've heard before, songs you've probably liked or

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Speaker 1: you've just heard over and over again throughout your life

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Speaker 1: to the point of nausea, you know, right right, Because

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Speaker 1: there's there's the memory part of the brain, especially in

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Speaker 1: into a little bit later about why that is, why

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Speaker 1: it's going haywire, so to speak. But I also wanted

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Speaker 1: to mention that epileptic seizure, certain medications, and lyme disease

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Speaker 1: some sort of procedure. Um. Actually, this happens to Um.

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Speaker 1: There was one man who had a heart operation and

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Speaker 1: then he woke up later and began to hear It

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Speaker 1: wasn't like Eva, prone, don't cry for me, Argentina. That

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Speaker 1: So it's not just you know, you don't have to

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Speaker 1: you might wind up having I can't get no satisfaction

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Speaker 1: over and over again into your head until you go

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Speaker 1: completely mad. Yeah, you don't have to keep thinking about this.

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Speaker 1: Like the generations to come, if this happens to them,

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Speaker 1: will they have like Justin Bieber or like baby you

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Speaker 1: I won't do it. I think I've pushed it far

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Speaker 1: enough with Justin Bieler. This presentation is brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Intel Sponsors of Tomorrow. So, yeah, you have this

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Speaker 1: the former nun who had jingle bells, both of them

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Speaker 1: So they're just kind of like it's like an internal

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Speaker 1: We're talking about Sanford the Sun here. Yeah, yeah, Red Fox. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: just just for so yeah, slowing down jingle bells sounds horrifying. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: guess the question is why does it happen? Yes, and uh.

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Speaker 1: And researchers believe that that that these hallucinations may actually

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Speaker 1: are of suffering from these musical hallucinations. All right. It

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Speaker 1: that's fascinating. And it's trying to match the impulses to

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Speaker 1: Haggai Harmesh and he presented a link between musical hallucinations

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