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Speaker 2: What kind of a show you guys putting on here today?

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Speaker 3: We're going to have a conversation.

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Speaker 1: From Chicago. This is film Spotting.

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Speaker 6: I'm Josh Larson and I'm Adam kempenar af two years

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Speaker 1: There are few sure things about the twenty twenty six

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Speaker 6: That's the release date for Christopher Nolans The Odyssey, a

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Speaker 6: film we're eager to see, but not the only upcoming

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Speaker 2: This week. It's our twenty twenty six movie preview.

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Speaker 1: Plus twenty eight years later, The Bone Temple I had

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's turn this up to eleven.

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Speaker 6: Welcome to film spotting. Well you're not quite Carmen san Diego,

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Speaker 1: I was always jealous of Carmen san Diego. We are

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Speaker 1: in lovely sunny Adam, the bright sun shining on us

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Speaker 1: for two days now in Savilla, a wonderful, wonderful town

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Speaker 1: that is playing The Bone Temple. Walked by a theater today.

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Speaker 1: I had a Flamenco show to catch Adam not performing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna still have a review.

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Speaker 6: So you shirked your film spotting duties and you're talking

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Speaker 6: about the sun. Ask me what the temperature is where

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Speaker 6: I am, Josh.

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Speaker 1: I hear it's rough. I know today it was a

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Speaker 6: twenty eight years Later, the Bone Temple listeners will share

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Speaker 6: of our programming plans for twenty twenty six. In other words,

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Speaker 1: Do you have it down to an elevator pitch yet?

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Speaker 6: Spotting dot net slash episodes. First up, it is our

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Speaker 6: It is Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey, the movie.

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Speaker 6: more your genre. This is your realm than it is mine.

435
00:23:40,845 --> 00:23:45,485
Speaker 6: And on its own, even with Kerrie Mulligan and M. M.

436
00:23:45,285 --> 00:23:48,365
Speaker 6: Mackie and Daniel Craig, I would not be interested in

437
00:23:48,365 --> 00:23:53,045
Speaker 6: this movie. But Greta Gerwig is one of my top

438
00:23:53,125 --> 00:23:59,805
Speaker 6: two or three favorite working filmmakers, and she alone is

439
00:23:59,965 --> 00:24:03,845
Speaker 6: enough to make me very excited to go see it.

440
00:24:04,205 --> 00:24:10,285
Speaker 6: And I know this well probably make no sense, It

441
00:24:10,365 --> 00:24:13,125
Speaker 6: probably is something I shouldn't say because I hadn't read

442
00:24:13,165 --> 00:24:17,045
Speaker 6: Little Women either, but it was still and I did

443
00:24:17,205 --> 00:24:19,485
Speaker 6: talk about this during the review, and you, as someone

444
00:24:19,525 --> 00:24:22,685
Speaker 6: who has read it, did confirm some of this. It

445
00:24:22,765 --> 00:24:24,885
Speaker 6: was very clear even as someone who hasn't read it

446
00:24:24,925 --> 00:24:27,245
Speaker 6: but is familiar enough with it, it was very clear

447
00:24:27,285 --> 00:24:30,085
Speaker 6: from watching it that she was taking liberties with the text,

448
00:24:30,325 --> 00:24:33,925
Speaker 6: that she was doing some different things in terms of

449
00:24:33,965 --> 00:24:37,725
Speaker 6: the structure of the structure with the material, the structure

450
00:24:37,765 --> 00:24:42,925
Speaker 6: of the material, And without knowing anything about the magician's nephew,

451
00:24:43,565 --> 00:24:47,285
Speaker 6: I will be eager to see what Greta Gerwig does

452
00:24:47,325 --> 00:24:52,165
Speaker 6: with this material, not in terms of again apples to

453
00:24:52,205 --> 00:24:55,045
Speaker 6: Apple's comparison to the page, not in terms of that

454
00:24:55,085 --> 00:24:58,885
Speaker 6: type of adaptation, but how Greta Gerwig makes it her own,

455
00:24:59,325 --> 00:25:03,005
Speaker 6: how this film fits into the Greta Gerwig cannon along

456
00:25:03,045 --> 00:25:05,645
Speaker 6: with Barbie and Ladybird and Little Women.

457
00:25:06,165 --> 00:25:07,925
Speaker 2: That's what I'll be curious about.

458
00:25:07,925 --> 00:25:13,805
Speaker 6: How she takes this ip and makes it personal and

459
00:25:13,845 --> 00:25:17,405
Speaker 6: makes it at the same time personal and universal, the

460
00:25:17,445 --> 00:25:20,685
Speaker 6: way she is so successfully done with those other films,

461
00:25:21,605 --> 00:25:26,205
Speaker 6: that that's what's drawing me and Greta Gerwig alone is enough, honestly, Josh,

462
00:25:26,245 --> 00:25:30,405
Speaker 6: it doesn't matter. It does not matter what the title is,

463
00:25:30,565 --> 00:25:32,925
Speaker 6: it doesn't matter who the cast is, it doesn't matter

464
00:25:32,925 --> 00:25:37,365
Speaker 6: what the plot description is. If Greta Gerwig is the director,

465
00:25:38,165 --> 00:25:41,045
Speaker 6: it's going to be in the top three on my

466
00:25:41,165 --> 00:25:45,365
Speaker 6: draft board. And that's why I'm taking Narnia the Magician's Nephew.

467
00:25:45,645 --> 00:25:46,645
Speaker 2: With my number two pick.

468
00:25:46,645 --> 00:25:50,365
Speaker 6: It's expected November twenty six, so right around, right around Thanksgiving.

469
00:25:50,725 --> 00:25:52,925
Speaker 1: Your heart had to drop a bit, though, Adam, when

470
00:25:52,965 --> 00:25:55,685
Speaker 1: you heard this was going to be her next project,

471
00:25:55,405 --> 00:25:59,285
Speaker 1: just because it is IP and it's fantasy, and fantasy

472
00:25:59,365 --> 00:26:02,245
Speaker 1: is you're open to it, and I have appreciated fantasy,

473
00:26:02,285 --> 00:26:06,325
Speaker 1: but it's not your favorite genre, no, Yeah, and it's

474
00:26:07,045 --> 00:26:11,325
Speaker 1: it's almost so strange of a choice that that's part

475
00:26:11,365 --> 00:26:14,325
Speaker 1: of the attraction for me as well. You know, I

476
00:26:14,605 --> 00:26:18,765
Speaker 1: similarly think Gerwig is among our top filmmakers at the moment.

477
00:26:18,965 --> 00:26:21,845
Speaker 1: But this was a surprise choice to follow up Barbie with.

478
00:26:22,085 --> 00:26:24,805
Speaker 1: And yeah, you may have mentioned some of this, but

479
00:26:25,725 --> 00:26:28,805
Speaker 1: the Magician's Nephew. I had to be reminded this is

480
00:26:29,205 --> 00:26:32,085
Speaker 1: so published. Is the sixth volume in the seven book

481
00:26:32,165 --> 00:26:35,485
Speaker 1: Narnia series, but is actually a prequel. It's the first. Yeah,

482
00:26:35,565 --> 00:26:37,525
Speaker 1: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, which is of

483
00:26:37,525 --> 00:26:41,245
Speaker 1: course the best known Narnia novel. You know, I had

484
00:26:41,045 --> 00:26:45,005
Speaker 1: the set on my childhood bookshelf like all growing up.

485
00:26:45,405 --> 00:26:47,325
Speaker 1: That being said, I don't know that I made it

486
00:26:47,405 --> 00:26:50,205
Speaker 1: all the way to the Magician's Nephew. I might not have.

487
00:26:50,765 --> 00:26:54,805
Speaker 1: I was more of you know, C. S. Lewis's fellow inkling,

488
00:26:54,925 --> 00:26:58,725
Speaker 1: Jared Tolkien. That was my obsession, The Habbit, The Lord

489
00:26:58,765 --> 00:27:01,085
Speaker 1: of the Rings. Those are the ones I read very

490
00:27:01,085 --> 00:27:05,965
Speaker 1: early and repeatedly. They just really grabbed me in a

491
00:27:06,005 --> 00:27:08,605
Speaker 1: way that the Narnia stories have grabbed others. That said,

492
00:27:09,605 --> 00:27:11,125
Speaker 1: I was a big fan of the two thousand and

493
00:27:11,165 --> 00:27:15,245
Speaker 1: five live action adaptation of Narnia. That was a series

494
00:27:15,285 --> 00:27:18,085
Speaker 1: that had diminishing returns. They ended up never completing it.

495
00:27:18,165 --> 00:27:21,605
Speaker 1: So we'll see where Gerway goes here with these the

496
00:27:21,605 --> 00:27:26,285
Speaker 1: first of two films, right, that's gonna be Netflix productions.

497
00:27:26,325 --> 00:27:29,725
Speaker 1: Apparently it will be in theaters, however, Imax screens no

498
00:27:29,885 --> 00:27:33,485
Speaker 1: less so so to see what Gerwig does with that

499
00:27:33,565 --> 00:27:36,685
Speaker 1: sort of visual scale will be interesting. Even though Barbie

500
00:27:36,725 --> 00:27:42,845
Speaker 1: was essentially, you know, a widescreen classic Hollywood musical in

501
00:27:42,885 --> 00:27:46,125
Speaker 1: many respects. So I think she's she's shown she has

502
00:27:46,205 --> 00:27:49,245
Speaker 1: those chops. But yeah, how bizarre when I pulled this

503
00:27:49,445 --> 00:27:52,205
Speaker 1: up because it was high on my draft board gathering

504
00:27:52,205 --> 00:27:55,285
Speaker 1: the details, and you just saw, you know IMDb, how

505
00:27:55,525 --> 00:27:57,805
Speaker 1: the first thing you see as like director, and then

506
00:27:57,845 --> 00:28:02,005
Speaker 1: you see writers and it says Greta Gerwig, Comma C.

507
00:28:02,205 --> 00:28:02,725
Speaker 2: S Lewis.

508
00:28:03,245 --> 00:28:06,605
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I you know, wouldn't wouldn't have predicted that

509
00:28:07,725 --> 00:28:09,885
Speaker 1: around the time of Francis Ha. But here we are,

510
00:28:10,565 --> 00:28:13,925
Speaker 1: and I am I'm eager for it. You did help

511
00:28:14,085 --> 00:28:18,045
Speaker 1: solve my draft board a little bit, Adam, because as

512
00:28:18,165 --> 00:28:21,445
Speaker 1: we were talking here and even as I had laid

513
00:28:21,445 --> 00:28:24,885
Speaker 1: out for me, it was going to be either as

514
00:28:24,925 --> 00:28:30,285
Speaker 1: my next pick, Narnia or The Bride, and the Bride

515
00:28:30,645 --> 00:28:33,885
Speaker 1: was let's see, last year, I think I had it

516
00:28:33,965 --> 00:28:37,005
Speaker 1: at I picked it at number five. We pulled some

517
00:28:37,245 --> 00:28:39,965
Speaker 1: pairing shenanigans. I think you had a pairing and my

518
00:28:40,085 --> 00:28:44,165
Speaker 1: pairing was The Bride with Germo del Toros Frankenstein in

519
00:28:44,245 --> 00:28:47,085
Speaker 1: last year's draft. Del Toro came through for me, at

520
00:28:47,165 --> 00:28:51,405
Speaker 1: least with his rapturously romantic version of the Mary Shelley

521
00:28:51,445 --> 00:28:54,685
Speaker 1: horror stories. So now I'm counting on Maggie Jillenhall, and

522
00:28:54,885 --> 00:28:57,165
Speaker 1: I feel pretty good about it because she's following up

523
00:28:57,205 --> 00:29:03,085
Speaker 1: her incredibly impressive directorial debut, The Lost Daughter. If people

524
00:29:03,125 --> 00:29:05,645
Speaker 1: haven't caught up with that, it was a smaller film

525
00:29:05,765 --> 00:29:10,805
Speaker 1: star Olivia Coleman, it is worth tracking down. But here

526
00:29:10,845 --> 00:29:14,285
Speaker 1: we have, you know, the Bride, something incredibly different. She's

527
00:29:14,325 --> 00:29:17,725
Speaker 1: inspired by not only Shelley, but the James Whale nineteen

528
00:29:17,805 --> 00:29:21,845
Speaker 1: thirty five film Bride of Frankenstein, which I love. Apparently

529
00:29:21,885 --> 00:29:24,565
Speaker 1: this is set in nineteen thirty Chicago, which I don't

530
00:29:24,565 --> 00:29:25,965
Speaker 1: think I knew. Last year.

531
00:29:26,365 --> 00:29:29,085
Speaker 6: I saw that in a trailer that came on TV.

532
00:29:29,565 --> 00:29:30,605
Speaker 1: What happened?

533
00:29:31,245 --> 00:29:37,045
Speaker 2: You had an accidental, an accident. We dug you up,

534
00:29:38,165 --> 00:29:39,925
Speaker 2: I brought you back to life.

535
00:29:41,045 --> 00:29:44,125
Speaker 1: You know. I'm still not sure if I'm more or

536
00:29:44,205 --> 00:29:48,845
Speaker 1: less excited about that fact, but it's curious to say

537
00:29:48,885 --> 00:29:54,285
Speaker 1: nothing else. And Jesse Buckley, who after Hamnet. I'm riding

538
00:29:54,285 --> 00:29:58,205
Speaker 1: the Jesse Buckley High and she's the bride. Christian Bales,

539
00:29:58,245 --> 00:30:01,285
Speaker 1: the Monster Peter Sauersgarda not betting. Jake Jollenhall and Penelope

540
00:30:01,285 --> 00:30:03,685
Speaker 1: Cruise also in it, and it's right around the corner

541
00:30:04,125 --> 00:30:06,765
Speaker 1: March six, So I will take The Bride with my

542
00:30:06,925 --> 00:30:08,205
Speaker 1: number to pick.

543
00:30:09,205 --> 00:30:12,085
Speaker 6: Yeah, I had a feeling that that was going to

544
00:30:12,125 --> 00:30:15,605
Speaker 6: be your next pick. I had it at number five

545
00:30:15,805 --> 00:30:20,245
Speaker 6: on my list, and if somehow it wasn't your next pick,

546
00:30:21,325 --> 00:30:24,325
Speaker 6: I actually was probably going to make it my next choice,

547
00:30:24,365 --> 00:30:27,085
Speaker 6: even though I have my number two and my number

548
00:30:27,525 --> 00:30:31,565
Speaker 6: four still available, just because I thought, well, I know

549
00:30:31,725 --> 00:30:33,965
Speaker 6: he's gonna go with The Bride ahead of these two.

550
00:30:34,525 --> 00:30:36,125
Speaker 6: And now I don't know what to do, because I

551
00:30:36,125 --> 00:30:38,885
Speaker 6: think it's possible even though obviously these are my next

552
00:30:38,925 --> 00:30:42,445
Speaker 6: two picks, I'm not sure which one you care about more.

553
00:30:43,125 --> 00:30:45,405
Speaker 6: And the fact is, I don't know that you care

554
00:30:45,445 --> 00:30:49,085
Speaker 6: about either of them that much at all. I think

555
00:30:49,085 --> 00:30:52,365
Speaker 6: it's very possible they're not on your draft board or

556
00:30:52,365 --> 00:30:57,965
Speaker 6: they're very low. So I'm faced with a conundrum. I'm

557
00:30:58,005 --> 00:31:01,645
Speaker 6: faced with a conundrum, and when I am in this situation,

558
00:31:02,325 --> 00:31:07,965
Speaker 6: I am going to default to my draft board and

559
00:31:08,325 --> 00:31:10,805
Speaker 6: I am going to go with the movie I had

560
00:31:10,925 --> 00:31:16,445
Speaker 6: at number two. Getting with the fifth overall pick Look,

561
00:31:17,005 --> 00:31:19,445
Speaker 6: when Christopher Nolan has a new movie coming out, you

562
00:31:19,525 --> 00:31:22,485
Speaker 6: go see that movie. Gerwig has a new movie coming out,

563
00:31:22,485 --> 00:31:24,565
Speaker 6: You go see that movie. You know who else fits that?

564
00:31:24,605 --> 00:31:29,445
Speaker 6: Bill Josh for me, David Fincher, And David Fincher has

565
00:31:29,445 --> 00:31:34,005
Speaker 6: a new film coming out this summer called The Adventures

566
00:31:34,005 --> 00:31:37,365
Speaker 6: of Cliff Booth. Now we're talking a bit about surprising

567
00:31:37,445 --> 00:31:41,325
Speaker 6: material I did not have on my bingo card. David

568
00:31:41,325 --> 00:31:46,405
Speaker 6: Fincher directing a movie about the character Brad Pitt played

569
00:31:46,925 --> 00:31:49,925
Speaker 6: in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, written by Quentin Tarantino,

570
00:31:51,125 --> 00:31:54,445
Speaker 6: in a sequel essentially to that movie, showcasing more of

571
00:31:54,485 --> 00:32:01,285
Speaker 6: his backstory. No, had no vision for that, but apparently

572
00:32:01,405 --> 00:32:06,045
Speaker 6: David Fincher does, because that is the film. And really

573
00:32:06,325 --> 00:32:08,765
Speaker 6: I really liked Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I

574
00:32:08,845 --> 00:32:13,725
Speaker 6: really like that performance by Brad Pitt, and that character

575
00:32:15,085 --> 00:32:20,165
Speaker 6: was one of those mesmerizing characters that you saw and

576
00:32:20,325 --> 00:32:22,965
Speaker 6: you knew he was supporting character in the film to

577
00:32:23,005 --> 00:32:26,925
Speaker 6: DiCaprio's character. And yet I think most people watching that film,

578
00:32:26,925 --> 00:32:30,525
Speaker 6: and this is no slight on DiCaprio at all, It

579
00:32:30,605 --> 00:32:33,325
Speaker 6: just speaks to the strength of Cliff Booth as a character,

580
00:32:33,365 --> 00:32:36,645
Speaker 6: as he's written, but also his performance that most people

581
00:32:36,685 --> 00:32:39,445
Speaker 6: probably walked out of that film and thought, I would

582
00:32:39,445 --> 00:32:41,645
Speaker 6: really like to know more about Cliff Booth. I would

583
00:32:41,645 --> 00:32:45,405
Speaker 6: like to spend more time on screen with Cliff Booth,

584
00:32:45,485 --> 00:32:49,445
Speaker 6: and here we are getting more of Cliff Booth. So

585
00:32:50,565 --> 00:32:54,565
Speaker 6: with that in mind, just the fact that it's Tarantino

586
00:32:54,845 --> 00:32:58,365
Speaker 6: making or writing another script about him, but the fact

587
00:32:58,365 --> 00:33:03,005
Speaker 6: that David Fincher is on board, lock Lock for me

588
00:33:03,125 --> 00:33:04,805
Speaker 6: one of my most excited films of the year.

589
00:33:06,085 --> 00:33:10,605
Speaker 1: Your instinct was right, and my guess that we might

590
00:33:10,685 --> 00:33:12,805
Speaker 1: both come away happy, I think is starting to come

591
00:33:12,845 --> 00:33:17,085
Speaker 1: to fruition here. I'm intrigued as well. Number twenty on

592
00:33:17,125 --> 00:33:20,205
Speaker 1: my board, and oh my god, really that's not a slight.

593
00:33:20,365 --> 00:33:22,925
Speaker 1: It's just I think there's a lot of good potential stuff.

594
00:33:23,525 --> 00:33:26,525
Speaker 1: Once upon a time in Hollywood was I was a

595
00:33:26,685 --> 00:33:29,125
Speaker 1: huge fan of and you know, I have a tortured

596
00:33:29,165 --> 00:33:33,965
Speaker 1: relationship with Tarantino, So I think that's a great film.

597
00:33:34,005 --> 00:33:36,565
Speaker 1: Agree with you about the performance and the character. I've

598
00:33:36,645 --> 00:33:40,605
Speaker 1: just got some other stuff I'm ready for before I

599
00:33:40,645 --> 00:33:44,565
Speaker 1: get to that one, and way ahead of it is

600
00:33:45,525 --> 00:33:51,485
Speaker 1: a movie called Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma.

601
00:33:52,045 --> 00:33:55,765
Speaker 1: I mean the title alone. I added my book on

602
00:33:55,805 --> 00:33:58,925
Speaker 1: horror films, fear Not, I have a chapter titled sex

603
00:33:58,965 --> 00:34:03,285
Speaker 1: and Death. So this is already something I'm immediately curious about.

604
00:34:03,325 --> 00:34:06,125
Speaker 1: But more importantly, it comes from Jane shown Brun of

605
00:34:06,325 --> 00:34:09,444
Speaker 1: We're All going to the World's Fair of I saw

606
00:34:09,485 --> 00:34:13,565
Speaker 1: the TV Glow World's Fair a Golden Brick nominee here

607
00:34:13,685 --> 00:34:17,005
Speaker 1: on the show and TV Glow a top ten lister

608
00:34:17,205 --> 00:34:21,364
Speaker 1: for me. When that came out. That Criterion preview that

609
00:34:21,525 --> 00:34:24,404
Speaker 1: I mentioned by David Hudson, he had a quote from

610
00:34:24,445 --> 00:34:27,405
Speaker 1: Shoon Brun about the movie. This is what they said,

611
00:34:27,844 --> 00:34:31,844
Speaker 1: my best attempt at the sleepover. Classic and insane yet

612
00:34:31,885 --> 00:34:36,245
Speaker 1: cozy midnight odyssey that beckons to unsuspecting viewers from the

613
00:34:36,245 --> 00:34:40,125
Speaker 1: horror section at the local video store. I don't know why,

614
00:34:40,205 --> 00:34:43,565
Speaker 1: but maybe it makes me think maybe this will be

615
00:34:43,605 --> 00:34:46,565
Speaker 1: a little bit more fun than Shan Brun's first two films,

616
00:34:46,605 --> 00:34:49,165
Speaker 1: not that they didn't have their elements of comedy and levity,

617
00:34:50,085 --> 00:34:53,165
Speaker 1: but it sounds like they might be having a little

618
00:34:53,205 --> 00:34:57,445
Speaker 1: bit of, I don't know, just a lighter touch on

619
00:34:57,485 --> 00:35:00,165
Speaker 1: this one. We'll see either way. I'm in can't wait

620
00:35:00,165 --> 00:35:02,405
Speaker 1: to find out. This is one of those that doesn't

621
00:35:02,445 --> 00:35:05,645
Speaker 1: have a set date. But the way it's talked about

622
00:35:05,685 --> 00:35:07,765
Speaker 1: in these previews is it's pretty much ready to go.

623
00:35:08,285 --> 00:35:12,005
Speaker 1: It's more a sense of strategy of best time of

624
00:35:12,085 --> 00:35:16,525
Speaker 1: release than that it will be held until the following year.

625
00:35:16,685 --> 00:35:20,325
Speaker 1: So that's my third pick. Teenage Sex and Death at

626
00:35:20,365 --> 00:35:22,365
Speaker 1: Camp Man Okay.

627
00:35:22,445 --> 00:35:25,685
Speaker 6: So I was afraid that this would happen it it

628
00:35:25,765 --> 00:35:27,245
Speaker 6: turns out.

629
00:35:26,805 --> 00:35:27,845
Speaker 2: That it worked out okay.

630
00:35:28,325 --> 00:35:30,965
Speaker 6: But I was afraid that Teenage Sex and Death at

631
00:35:31,045 --> 00:35:33,285
Speaker 6: Can't Ma Asthma was going to be on your list

632
00:35:33,685 --> 00:35:36,165
Speaker 6: when I left it off my draft board because of

633
00:35:36,525 --> 00:35:39,045
Speaker 6: the release date issue. I know that Brian tall Rico,

634
00:35:39,965 --> 00:35:43,445
Speaker 6: who we love and respect, on the Roger Ebert preview,

635
00:35:43,565 --> 00:35:46,885
Speaker 6: said I think his words were no date, but a

636
00:35:47,045 --> 00:35:50,405
Speaker 6: twenty twenty six release feels almost certain. I trust you, Brian.

637
00:35:50,485 --> 00:35:53,165
Speaker 6: But I looked at a lot of other previews and

638
00:35:53,165 --> 00:35:54,605
Speaker 6: a lot of other places, and I.

639
00:35:54,565 --> 00:35:56,245
Speaker 2: Couldn't find that anywhere else.

640
00:35:56,645 --> 00:36:00,325
Speaker 6: I kept finding things that suggested twenty twenty seven was

641
00:36:00,365 --> 00:36:03,045
Speaker 6: still possible. It just didn't feel conclusive enough to me

642
00:36:03,165 --> 00:36:07,805
Speaker 6: Josh to include it, And and I thought, what if

643
00:36:07,885 --> 00:36:10,765
Speaker 6: Josh does, and what if he takes it where I

644
00:36:10,845 --> 00:36:13,405
Speaker 6: might have taken it my whole my whole draft is

645
00:36:13,445 --> 00:36:16,484
Speaker 6: going to be shot where it worked out, okay. Where

646
00:36:16,485 --> 00:36:20,125
Speaker 6: it worked out okay, is that I would not have

647
00:36:20,205 --> 00:36:23,844
Speaker 6: taken it. I actually would have had it sixth on

648
00:36:23,885 --> 00:36:28,844
Speaker 6: my draft board, and that means I wouldn't have taken

649
00:36:28,885 --> 00:36:31,765
Speaker 6: it in this slot. So if it was down lower

650
00:36:31,805 --> 00:36:34,085
Speaker 6: and you took it, you know, then we'd have issues.

651
00:36:34,645 --> 00:36:37,045
Speaker 6: But the fact that you took it here when you

652
00:36:37,125 --> 00:36:39,884
Speaker 6: did means I can't really complain about it. And I'm

653
00:36:39,925 --> 00:36:41,765
Speaker 6: glad that it was mentioned here on the show, because yes,

654
00:36:42,085 --> 00:36:45,925
Speaker 6: Jane showing Run, they're a filmmaker that we have we

655
00:36:45,965 --> 00:36:50,325
Speaker 6: have praised a lot on this show. And just honestly,

656
00:36:50,365 --> 00:36:52,405
Speaker 6: that's a case where I was talking about Gerwig and

657
00:36:53,405 --> 00:36:56,884
Speaker 6: being the director, her name being something that is enough

658
00:36:56,925 --> 00:37:00,045
Speaker 6: to sell me on a film. That's true of Shoan

659
00:37:00,125 --> 00:37:02,565
Speaker 6: brun as well to some extent, but in this case

660
00:37:02,605 --> 00:37:05,005
Speaker 6: it's the title of the movie. Just put me the

661
00:37:05,045 --> 00:37:07,405
Speaker 6: title of the movie, and I'm I'm going to be

662
00:37:07,525 --> 00:37:11,765
Speaker 6: so curious to see what that film is good is about.

663
00:37:11,805 --> 00:37:17,645
Speaker 6: But the meta levels the show and Run works on that,

664
00:37:17,645 --> 00:37:21,445
Speaker 6: that's that's really what fascinates me so much as as

665
00:37:21,485 --> 00:37:24,924
Speaker 6: a film fan, and as a critic, that does mean

666
00:37:25,045 --> 00:37:31,765
Speaker 6: that my number four pick is available. And I don't

667
00:37:31,765 --> 00:37:34,445
Speaker 6: know where this will be on your draft board. It's possible,

668
00:37:34,805 --> 00:37:38,005
Speaker 6: it's possible here that it's your next choice. It's also

669
00:37:38,005 --> 00:37:40,565
Speaker 6: possible that you have it at number twenty eight, Josh,

670
00:37:40,605 --> 00:37:43,725
Speaker 6: because I don't think you care about this director at all.

671
00:37:44,045 --> 00:37:46,205
Speaker 6: I don't think you care about this director that much

672
00:37:46,245 --> 00:37:49,285
Speaker 6: as a writer at all. But I do think, like

673
00:37:49,365 --> 00:37:54,965
Speaker 6: most of the world, you appreciate the first film that

674
00:37:56,045 --> 00:38:00,245
Speaker 6: was the predecessor to this movie, and it's a pretty

675
00:38:00,285 --> 00:38:04,805
Speaker 6: landmark movie. And I can't imagine not being curious about

676
00:38:05,365 --> 00:38:10,285
Speaker 6: The Social Reckoning following The Social Network. That is my

677
00:38:10,525 --> 00:38:14,645
Speaker 6: choice here at number seven, which is expected to come

678
00:38:14,645 --> 00:38:19,645
Speaker 6: out October ninth. Aaron Sorkin, we were talking about David

679
00:38:19,685 --> 00:38:22,125
Speaker 6: Fincher just a bit ago with my last choice. David

680
00:38:22,125 --> 00:38:25,245
Speaker 6: Fincher is not directing The Social Reckoning, Aaron Sorkin, the

681
00:38:25,285 --> 00:38:29,605
Speaker 6: writer of The Social Network is directing The Social Reckoning,

682
00:38:29,725 --> 00:38:34,005
Speaker 6: and the cast includes Jeremy Allen White, Mikey Madison. Okay,

683
00:38:34,125 --> 00:38:37,485
Speaker 6: those two alone, Betty Gilpin also, but Jeremy Allen White,

684
00:38:37,525 --> 00:38:40,125
Speaker 6: Mikey Madison, those two alone should help sell you on

685
00:38:40,165 --> 00:38:44,045
Speaker 6: the movie. Jeremy Strong very good as well. But after

686
00:38:44,125 --> 00:38:47,445
Speaker 6: all of our praise this past year in Sinners for

687
00:38:47,525 --> 00:38:51,885
Speaker 6: one me, Mosaku, that's another big sell for The Social Reckoning.

688
00:38:52,605 --> 00:38:56,365
Speaker 6: The plotline here, I'll give it to you as I

689
00:38:56,445 --> 00:38:59,285
Speaker 6: have it copied down. It follows Francis Hogg and a

690
00:38:59,325 --> 00:39:02,005
Speaker 6: young Facebook engineer who enlisted the help of Jeff Horwitz,

691
00:39:02,005 --> 00:39:04,485
Speaker 6: a Wall Street Journal reporter, to blow the whistle on

692
00:39:04,525 --> 00:39:07,445
Speaker 6: the social network's most guarded secrets. Look, I've said this

693
00:39:07,925 --> 00:39:12,085
Speaker 6: many times. I did not expect The Social Network to

694
00:39:12,285 --> 00:39:15,525
Speaker 6: be the incredible film, to be the masterpiece that it is,

695
00:39:15,605 --> 00:39:19,245
Speaker 6: and I believe it is. After revisiting that movie a

696
00:39:19,245 --> 00:39:24,165
Speaker 6: few years back, The Social Reckoning another Facebook movie, is

697
00:39:24,245 --> 00:39:26,205
Speaker 6: this is this what we need? Well, it turns out

698
00:39:26,405 --> 00:39:28,965
Speaker 6: we do, Josh. It turns out there's still a lot

699
00:39:29,005 --> 00:39:32,805
Speaker 6: to say about the impact that these social networks have

700
00:39:32,925 --> 00:39:37,645
Speaker 6: had for good and for ill, and probably mostly for ill,

701
00:39:38,125 --> 00:39:43,125
Speaker 6: on our culture. So that matters that that is part

702
00:39:43,125 --> 00:39:48,685
Speaker 6: of my thinking. But also, even though Sorkin as a

703
00:39:48,685 --> 00:39:52,245
Speaker 6: writer and as a as a director can be a

704
00:39:52,245 --> 00:39:55,365
Speaker 6: little hit or miss, I put him way more in

705
00:39:55,445 --> 00:39:58,685
Speaker 6: the hit category as far as being that type of

706
00:39:58,725 --> 00:40:03,005
Speaker 6: writer who makes me want to go to the theater

707
00:40:03,765 --> 00:40:08,525
Speaker 6: and hear hear that pattern, hear that type of intelligent dialogue.

708
00:40:08,605 --> 00:40:13,205
Speaker 6: Here actors bounce that dialogue off each other in banter,

709
00:40:13,685 --> 00:40:16,685
Speaker 6: in the way, in that intelligent way that his characters do.

710
00:40:16,885 --> 00:40:19,844
Speaker 6: I am I'm always, or I imagine myself always being

711
00:40:19,925 --> 00:40:23,805
Speaker 6: drawn to the types of scripts that Aaron Sorkin produces.

712
00:40:23,885 --> 00:40:28,605
Speaker 6: So for me, the Social Reckoning is a no brainer

713
00:40:29,045 --> 00:40:30,085
Speaker 6: twenty twenty six movie.

714
00:40:30,085 --> 00:40:31,005
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see.

715
00:40:31,205 --> 00:40:35,285
Speaker 1: Not on my board, but again, you go, it's what

716
00:40:35,325 --> 00:40:38,445
Speaker 1: you said about, you know, my attitude towards Sorcin and

717
00:40:38,485 --> 00:40:41,085
Speaker 1: even the original is correct. It's not like I'm dreading

718
00:40:41,125 --> 00:40:43,965
Speaker 1: it or anything. And also, to be fair, I have

719
00:40:44,085 --> 00:40:45,884
Speaker 1: not revisited I think I've said it on the show

720
00:40:45,885 --> 00:40:48,444
Speaker 1: The Social Network maybe since it came out. I would

721
00:40:48,525 --> 00:40:50,884
Speaker 1: love to do that at some point in some form,

722
00:40:50,925 --> 00:40:54,404
Speaker 1: whether it's a sacred Kylie anniversary or something, because I'm

723
00:40:54,485 --> 00:40:58,525
Speaker 1: fairly certain I did underrate that though I remember one

724
00:40:58,605 --> 00:41:01,405
Speaker 1: reservation being I went into it thinking it would be

725
00:41:01,525 --> 00:41:03,965
Speaker 1: about social networking, and it was much more of a

726
00:41:04,045 --> 00:41:08,765
Speaker 1: character portrait that was involved in that milieu and background.

727
00:41:08,805 --> 00:41:14,285
Speaker 1: Of course, So to expect a statement about the state

728
00:41:14,325 --> 00:41:18,485
Speaker 1: of social media. Now from a follow up from Sorcin,

729
00:41:18,885 --> 00:41:22,605
Speaker 1: I'm a little hesitant of that, which is the only reason.

730
00:41:22,685 --> 00:41:25,765
Speaker 1: I mean that cast sounds great, So that's that's intriguing,

731
00:41:25,885 --> 00:41:28,045
Speaker 1: but it's probably why it's not as high for me.

732
00:41:29,245 --> 00:41:31,405
Speaker 1: But yeah, who knows, maybe it maybe it will be

733
00:41:32,525 --> 00:41:35,565
Speaker 1: something that captures what I agree with you. We need,

734
00:41:36,045 --> 00:41:39,605
Speaker 1: we need a lot of really smart movies about at

735
00:41:39,605 --> 00:41:42,925
Speaker 1: this point to really take that take on that reckoning,

736
00:41:42,965 --> 00:41:43,805
Speaker 1: which is deserved.

737
00:41:43,845 --> 00:41:46,884
Speaker 6: So I'll also just say, Josh, to be clear, though,

738
00:41:47,445 --> 00:41:49,845
Speaker 6: I'll be fine if the movie's about most of the

739
00:41:49,885 --> 00:41:53,565
Speaker 6: same things that The Social Network is about, which are human,

740
00:41:54,525 --> 00:41:58,965
Speaker 6: fundamental human things like condition and greed and ego.

741
00:41:59,325 --> 00:42:01,045
Speaker 2: That that's okay with me too.

742
00:42:01,165 --> 00:42:03,525
Speaker 6: And I'm imagining that the movie is going to be

743
00:42:03,605 --> 00:42:06,445
Speaker 6: about those things in addition to the other things. I

744
00:42:06,485 --> 00:42:08,445
Speaker 6: do think the title suggests that it is going to

745
00:42:08,485 --> 00:42:09,725
Speaker 6: reckon with almost.

746
00:42:09,365 --> 00:42:12,805
Speaker 1: Surely, Yeah, yeah, it does suggest it, all right, So

747
00:42:12,925 --> 00:42:18,085
Speaker 1: that means I've got a little flexibility here, and I

748
00:42:18,165 --> 00:42:20,685
Speaker 1: might jump around in my draft order and start going

749
00:42:20,685 --> 00:42:25,325
Speaker 1: for things I think you could grab, especially at this

750
00:42:25,485 --> 00:42:31,045
Speaker 1: later date in the draft. Here's a filmmaker I know

751
00:42:31,405 --> 00:42:37,205
Speaker 1: you appreciate and are very familiar with because of an

752
00:42:37,285 --> 00:42:42,245
Speaker 1: early film spotting marathon. I am going to take the

753
00:42:42,325 --> 00:42:47,844
Speaker 1: new film from Pedro Almodovar Bitter Christmas, and Almodovarre really

754
00:42:47,925 --> 00:42:50,365
Speaker 1: a living legend at this point, but I would argue

755
00:42:50,565 --> 00:42:53,525
Speaker 1: still vital, I mean pain and Glory twenty nineteen made

756
00:42:53,565 --> 00:42:56,645
Speaker 1: my Top ten list that that year, not that long ago,

757
00:42:56,725 --> 00:43:00,005
Speaker 1: and since then I did like Parallel Mothers quite a bit.

758
00:43:00,405 --> 00:43:02,725
Speaker 1: I was mixed on The Room next Door. That was

759
00:43:02,765 --> 00:43:05,285
Speaker 1: the one, the most recent film of his with Julian

760
00:43:05,325 --> 00:43:07,445
Speaker 1: Moore until to Swinton, but you know it showed him

761
00:43:07,485 --> 00:43:12,485
Speaker 1: trying something new still English language production there and intriguing

762
00:43:12,525 --> 00:43:14,685
Speaker 1: movie in many ways, just to my mind, not quite

763
00:43:14,725 --> 00:43:19,404
Speaker 1: as good as Alma Almodovar at his height. This new one,

764
00:43:19,445 --> 00:43:23,565
Speaker 1: Bitter Christmas, follows a workaholic advertising director who tries to

765
00:43:23,645 --> 00:43:27,405
Speaker 1: reboot by taking a trip with a friend. Meanwhile, her

766
00:43:27,405 --> 00:43:31,885
Speaker 1: partner or filmmaker begins writing a screenplay based on her life.

767
00:43:32,005 --> 00:43:35,364
Speaker 1: So you have this, you know, this idea that for

768
00:43:35,445 --> 00:43:39,844
Speaker 1: some reason I'm not always keen to, but I love

769
00:43:39,845 --> 00:43:44,485
Speaker 1: the way Almadvar handles art, reflecting life and artists reflecting

770
00:43:44,525 --> 00:43:48,165
Speaker 1: their own lives and then how he processes it as

771
00:43:48,285 --> 00:43:52,005
Speaker 1: a writer and a director. As we said at the

772
00:43:52,005 --> 00:43:53,844
Speaker 1: top of the show, Adam, I'm in Spain right now

773
00:43:53,925 --> 00:43:56,485
Speaker 1: and had a chance in Madrid to meet up with

774
00:43:56,525 --> 00:44:00,685
Speaker 1: a listener, Elex Garcia, so glad that he reached out

775
00:44:00,725 --> 00:44:04,765
Speaker 1: and said he was available. We hung out, had some beards, beers,

776
00:44:04,805 --> 00:44:09,045
Speaker 1: talked a lot about Spanish film, and he said this

777
00:44:09,125 --> 00:44:13,685
Speaker 1: about Almadovar, about his early films in particular being very political,

778
00:44:14,805 --> 00:44:19,525
Speaker 1: and that's something you know, I can grasp but don't

779
00:44:19,525 --> 00:44:22,925
Speaker 1: have a full knowledge of because the first Almodovar, the

780
00:44:22,965 --> 00:44:25,645
Speaker 1: earliest Almodova I've seen, is nineteen ninety eight Women on

781
00:44:25,685 --> 00:44:27,965
Speaker 1: the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown, so I don't have

782
00:44:27,965 --> 00:44:30,605
Speaker 1: that context. That was fascinating to hear, just made me

783
00:44:30,645 --> 00:44:34,525
Speaker 1: more excited about him as a filmmaker in his entire output,

784
00:44:35,045 --> 00:44:38,605
Speaker 1: and as someone who is, as I said, still vital.

785
00:44:38,725 --> 00:44:42,205
Speaker 1: So I'm very much looking forward to Bitter Christmas. Pretty

786
00:44:42,205 --> 00:44:45,285
Speaker 1: confident this will get a release because it opens March

787
00:44:45,325 --> 00:44:50,125
Speaker 1: twenty here in Spain and will roll out internationally after that.

788
00:44:50,565 --> 00:44:55,805
Speaker 1: So going with Bitter Christmas for pick number four.

789
00:44:56,085 --> 00:45:01,325
Speaker 6: Pick number four Yes, good choice, smart choice, because yeah,

790
00:45:01,365 --> 00:45:02,805
Speaker 6: I'm pretty easy to figure out.

791
00:45:03,005 --> 00:45:04,285
Speaker 2: I tend to be.

792
00:45:05,445 --> 00:45:09,765
Speaker 6: I am director driven, and Almodovar is one of those

793
00:45:09,805 --> 00:45:12,125
Speaker 6: heavyweights that I am.

794
00:45:12,005 --> 00:45:12,485
Speaker 2: A fan of.

795
00:45:12,845 --> 00:45:14,845
Speaker 6: I had him at number ten. I had Bitter Christmas

796
00:45:14,885 --> 00:45:17,045
Speaker 6: at number ten on my list. But I also at

797
00:45:17,045 --> 00:45:20,165
Speaker 6: this point am am darting around a little bit, Josh,

798
00:45:20,165 --> 00:45:23,364
Speaker 6: and I'm not in. I highly sure where I'm going

799
00:45:23,445 --> 00:45:26,885
Speaker 6: to go. Well, I think I'm going to take that

800
00:45:26,965 --> 00:45:30,645
Speaker 6: back because i only have one pick left, and at

801
00:45:30,645 --> 00:45:34,765
Speaker 6: this point my first six picks are off the board,

802
00:45:35,685 --> 00:45:38,805
Speaker 6: but my number seven pick is not off the board,

803
00:45:39,525 --> 00:45:42,485
Speaker 6: and I'm going to take it here. I'm going to

804
00:45:42,525 --> 00:45:49,125
Speaker 6: take David Lowry's mother Mary with my final pick, another

805
00:45:49,205 --> 00:45:52,805
Speaker 6: director driven choice, I suppose in David Lowry certainly has

806
00:45:52,805 --> 00:45:56,245
Speaker 6: had some films that have gotten very high praise here

807
00:45:56,285 --> 00:45:59,005
Speaker 6: on the show, has made some other films that haven't

808
00:45:59,005 --> 00:46:01,285
Speaker 6: gotten as much high praise. But I think a very

809
00:46:01,285 --> 00:46:06,805
Speaker 6: interesting filmmaker. And the cast. I'm looking at the names MICHAELA, Cole, Hunter, Schaffer.

810
00:46:06,845 --> 00:46:09,085
Speaker 6: I'm not familiar with them, or at least I don't

811
00:46:09,125 --> 00:46:11,045
Speaker 6: know if I'm familiar with them. If I've seen them

812
00:46:11,045 --> 00:46:15,565
Speaker 6: in other films. But Anne Hathaway not only is obviously

813
00:46:15,565 --> 00:46:20,045
Speaker 6: a very talented actress, but she's a force when it

814
00:46:20,085 --> 00:46:27,925
Speaker 6: comes to performances that involve music, any kind of musical performance, singing.

815
00:46:27,965 --> 00:46:30,484
Speaker 6: And she is playing here a pop star, it says

816
00:46:30,485 --> 00:46:33,844
Speaker 6: in the description, she's playing an iconic pop star who

817
00:46:33,845 --> 00:46:37,285
Speaker 6: has long buried wounds that rise to the surface. She's

818
00:46:37,285 --> 00:46:40,125
Speaker 6: called mother Mary, and they rise to the surface when

819
00:46:40,565 --> 00:46:43,085
Speaker 6: she reunites with her a strange best friend and her

820
00:46:43,125 --> 00:46:47,365
Speaker 6: former costume designer as she's mounting a comeback performance.

821
00:46:47,605 --> 00:46:53,645
Speaker 4: I haven't seen her in iver ten years, but I

822
00:46:53,645 --> 00:46:59,725
Speaker 4: could tell she was coming from one thousand miles away.

823
00:47:01,525 --> 00:47:04,125
Speaker 2: Why didn't you start with why you're here?

824
00:47:04,605 --> 00:47:05,365
Speaker 4: Sam?

825
00:47:05,965 --> 00:47:07,085
Speaker 2: I need a dress?

826
00:47:09,205 --> 00:47:11,285
Speaker 6: This is one I think this is what cemented it

827
00:47:11,325 --> 00:47:15,005
Speaker 6: for me. Josh is we both try to avoid trailers

828
00:47:15,925 --> 00:47:19,005
Speaker 6: as much as we can, but I usually do skip

829
00:47:19,045 --> 00:47:23,725
Speaker 6: that policy when it comes to previews because we don't

830
00:47:23,725 --> 00:47:27,165
Speaker 6: have much to go on at all, so why not

831
00:47:27,245 --> 00:47:29,885
Speaker 6: watch the trailer and at least have something to reference

832
00:47:29,885 --> 00:47:34,045
Speaker 6: while we're talking about these films. Most often there isn't

833
00:47:34,045 --> 00:47:35,725
Speaker 6: even a teaser out for a lot of these films,

834
00:47:35,765 --> 00:47:39,405
Speaker 6: so it's irrelevant. But this is one where there is,

835
00:47:39,845 --> 00:47:42,565
Speaker 6: and I started to watch it, Josh In about ten

836
00:47:42,605 --> 00:47:45,445
Speaker 6: to fifteen seconds in I stopped watching. I stopped watching

837
00:47:45,485 --> 00:47:48,605
Speaker 6: because it was one I knew. I did not want

838
00:47:48,645 --> 00:47:53,405
Speaker 6: to know anything more about. It just felt from watching

839
00:47:53,445 --> 00:47:56,005
Speaker 6: the few seconds that I did, from knowing its lowry,

840
00:47:56,525 --> 00:48:00,765
Speaker 6: from that plot description, from knowing Anne Hathaway, it felt

841
00:48:00,805 --> 00:48:05,525
Speaker 6: mysterious enough that I wanted to just retain all of

842
00:48:05,525 --> 00:48:08,245
Speaker 6: that mystery. I wanted to go into this without knowing

843
00:48:08,285 --> 00:48:11,765
Speaker 6: anything more. I wanted to be taken on the ride

844
00:48:11,765 --> 00:48:14,565
Speaker 6: of this movie. It sounds like it's going to be

845
00:48:15,365 --> 00:48:19,125
Speaker 6: a little bit insane, and I am here for it.

846
00:48:19,445 --> 00:48:22,165
Speaker 6: I'm ready for that, and I'm for Hathaway to be

847
00:48:22,845 --> 00:48:26,525
Speaker 6: to be that force, that powerful force as a performer.

848
00:48:26,565 --> 00:48:29,645
Speaker 6: And when I say that, obviously she's a powerful force

849
00:48:29,685 --> 00:48:31,925
Speaker 6: in The Devil Wears Prada. She probably will be that

850
00:48:32,045 --> 00:48:34,205
Speaker 6: in The Devil Wears Prada too, But you know what

851
00:48:34,245 --> 00:48:37,365
Speaker 6: I mean when she is the character who is playing

852
00:48:37,485 --> 00:48:40,325
Speaker 6: what's described as an iconic pop star in which the

853
00:48:40,445 --> 00:48:43,565
Speaker 6: entire orbit of the film revolves around her, and you

854
00:48:43,605 --> 00:48:46,965
Speaker 6: see her wearing even in publicity shots or in the

855
00:48:46,965 --> 00:48:49,925
Speaker 6: beginning of the trailer, any footage you see wearing those

856
00:48:51,085 --> 00:48:55,445
Speaker 6: amazing costumes that she's wearing. There's a power there that

857
00:48:56,325 --> 00:48:58,405
Speaker 6: I'm eager to see, and that's why Mother Mary is

858
00:48:59,045 --> 00:48:59,885
Speaker 6: my last choice.

859
00:49:00,445 --> 00:49:03,685
Speaker 1: This one definitely definitely on my board. I think it

860
00:49:03,765 --> 00:49:06,485
Speaker 1: was an honorable mention for me in last year's draft,

861
00:49:06,605 --> 00:49:10,525
Speaker 1: So yeah, I had this one in consideration. Okay, my

862
00:49:10,645 --> 00:49:15,485
Speaker 1: last pick. I mean, there's so many great potential movies

863
00:49:16,325 --> 00:49:18,045
Speaker 1: on the board here, but I guess I've got to

864
00:49:18,285 --> 00:49:22,765
Speaker 1: do the same as you and just rely on how

865
00:49:22,805 --> 00:49:25,685
Speaker 1: I ranked these going in and can I make.

866
00:49:25,605 --> 00:49:27,605
Speaker 2: The pick for you? I know, I know what it is.

867
00:49:27,645 --> 00:49:29,765
Speaker 2: How can you not make this choice? Josh?

868
00:49:29,845 --> 00:49:30,845
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I love that.

869
00:49:30,925 --> 00:49:34,885
Speaker 6: I'd love to hear this expected December twenty fifth. You're

870
00:49:34,925 --> 00:49:42,045
Speaker 6: not picking where Wolf a number eleven on my board.

871
00:49:42,125 --> 00:49:44,325
Speaker 1: And here's here's the thing with me and Aggers. Adam

872
00:49:44,445 --> 00:49:50,245
Speaker 1: is like, it's yeah, it's curious because everything he has

873
00:49:50,405 --> 00:49:53,685
Speaker 1: done is a must see to me because I'm so

874
00:49:53,965 --> 00:49:57,685
Speaker 1: intrigued by the ideas and how he's approaching them. Aside

875
00:49:57,685 --> 00:50:02,605
Speaker 1: from The Witch, I haven't really like Gone Over the

876
00:50:02,645 --> 00:50:05,725
Speaker 1: Moon for an Egger's movie. I've kind of appreciated all

877
00:50:05,805 --> 00:50:09,844
Speaker 1: of them while having some reservations. The Witch, I think

878
00:50:09,965 --> 00:50:14,005
Speaker 1: is like crystallizes what he might do and his interests

879
00:50:14,045 --> 00:50:16,765
Speaker 1: and is digging into some of the most provocative ideas

880
00:50:16,805 --> 00:50:21,325
Speaker 1: of anything. So where Wolf I had a a little

881
00:50:21,325 --> 00:50:23,645
Speaker 1: bit lower down because I'm absolutely going to see it,

882
00:50:24,885 --> 00:50:27,725
Speaker 1: but I just had others ahead of me. And while

883
00:50:27,725 --> 00:50:29,885
Speaker 1: we're on the topic, we should just listeners probably know.

884
00:50:29,925 --> 00:50:33,685
Speaker 1: But yeah, tackled Dracula. Now he's onto that other great legend.

885
00:50:33,725 --> 00:50:36,925
Speaker 1: And with a lot of the nos Faratu casts speaking

886
00:50:36,965 --> 00:50:40,045
Speaker 1: of tackling Dracula, Aaron Taylor, Johnson, Lilly Rose, Depp, and

887
00:50:40,045 --> 00:50:43,245
Speaker 1: Willem Defoe all back for this, So I get why

888
00:50:43,285 --> 00:50:46,805
Speaker 1: you went there. I'm going a different direction with my

889
00:50:46,965 --> 00:50:51,925
Speaker 1: final pick. Didn't know this movie even existed until started

890
00:50:51,965 --> 00:50:58,245
Speaker 1: preparing ray GUNN ray gun two words ray yeah g

891
00:50:58,485 --> 00:51:04,605
Speaker 1: u n N. Brad Bird returning to original animation after

892
00:51:04,645 --> 00:51:09,844
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen's The Incredibles Too. And you know, before The

893
00:51:09,885 --> 00:51:12,925
Speaker 1: Incredibles Too, he had made the live action films Tomorrowland

894
00:51:12,925 --> 00:51:15,805
Speaker 1: and Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol, so he'd been on an

895
00:51:15,805 --> 00:51:19,605
Speaker 1: animation break. But of course, earlier in his career, brad

896
00:51:19,605 --> 00:51:23,485
Speaker 1: Bird read Atuoy Incredible Iron Giant, So we have one

897
00:51:23,525 --> 00:51:25,925
Speaker 1: of the premier animators of the last twenty five years

898
00:51:25,925 --> 00:51:29,444
Speaker 1: with a new feature, and that is exciting stuff. You'll

899
00:51:29,485 --> 00:51:31,605
Speaker 1: let this one slide, I hope, because it probably wasn't

900
00:51:31,605 --> 00:51:35,925
Speaker 1: on your board. Adam supposed to premiere on Netflix sometime

901
00:51:36,485 --> 00:51:40,725
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six. Again, the previews I saw talked

902
00:51:40,765 --> 00:51:44,845
Speaker 1: about it as a pretty sure thing, and just in

903
00:51:44,925 --> 00:51:48,045
Speaker 1: terms of the story, basically follows the last human private

904
00:51:48,045 --> 00:51:51,085
Speaker 1: detective in a futuristic world with aliens. I love all

905
00:51:51,085 --> 00:51:53,125
Speaker 1: that stuff, but I don't need all that stuff. I

906
00:51:53,205 --> 00:51:55,685
Speaker 1: just need to know. It's Brad Bird returning to animation

907
00:51:55,805 --> 00:51:59,964
Speaker 1: with an original idea, right. This was something, apparently, I think,

908
00:52:00,005 --> 00:52:02,885
Speaker 1: an idea he's had for a long time. He wrote

909
00:52:02,925 --> 00:52:06,085
Speaker 1: this alongside Matthew Robbins, and if you look up Matthew

910
00:52:06,125 --> 00:52:08,245
Speaker 1: Robbins's credits, he's done a lot of work with Geramel

911
00:52:08,325 --> 00:52:12,765
Speaker 1: del Toro that I've liked. So I think I'm gonna

912
00:52:12,805 --> 00:52:15,884
Speaker 1: stick with my board order here and go with ray

913
00:52:15,925 --> 00:52:17,364
Speaker 1: Gun as my last pick.

914
00:52:18,005 --> 00:52:19,045
Speaker 2: I think that's a great choice.

915
00:52:19,045 --> 00:52:22,165
Speaker 6: I'm a fan of Brad Bird as well, and You're right,

916
00:52:22,485 --> 00:52:25,445
Speaker 6: I didn't see that one somehow, even though I am

917
00:52:25,485 --> 00:52:28,805
Speaker 6: now in my quick googling, I'm seeing enough places referencing

918
00:52:28,845 --> 00:52:31,765
Speaker 6: it as potentially a twenty twenty six release that I

919
00:52:31,845 --> 00:52:34,125
Speaker 6: think it's I think it's fair. I think it should

920
00:52:34,125 --> 00:52:38,965
Speaker 6: be on our draft boards. So ray Gunn closing out

921
00:52:39,365 --> 00:52:43,285
Speaker 6: our top ten most anticipated movies of twenty twenty six.

922
00:52:43,845 --> 00:52:46,485
Speaker 6: We would love to hear your picks. You can email

923
00:52:46,565 --> 00:52:50,205
Speaker 6: us feedback at filmspotting dot net. But Josh, I'm sure

924
00:52:50,245 --> 00:52:52,965
Speaker 6: there are some more honorable mentions if if we had

925
00:52:53,005 --> 00:52:55,085
Speaker 6: a few more rounds, what are some other titles that

926
00:52:55,125 --> 00:52:55,844
Speaker 6: would have come up?

927
00:52:56,125 --> 00:52:59,405
Speaker 1: Yeah, and these are I'm almost as equally excited as

928
00:52:59,485 --> 00:53:02,765
Speaker 1: you know after Disclosure, which I took at number one,

929
00:53:03,005 --> 00:53:05,645
Speaker 1: and maybe The Bride. These could all be and of

930
00:53:05,645 --> 00:53:07,765
Speaker 1: course the ones you stole, these could all be right

931
00:53:07,805 --> 00:53:09,405
Speaker 1: in the mix with the ones I did pick. But

932
00:53:09,605 --> 00:53:13,285
Speaker 1: I love. Boosters is the new film from Boots Riley,

933
00:53:13,445 --> 00:53:15,525
Speaker 1: So you know I've been waiting a long time for

934
00:53:15,605 --> 00:53:18,125
Speaker 1: his follow up Too Sorry to Bother You from twenty eighteen,

935
00:53:18,165 --> 00:53:21,245
Speaker 1: and here it is. Cannot wait for that May twenty two.

936
00:53:21,605 --> 00:53:24,285
Speaker 1: I'll also mention The Land of Nod. I forget Adam

937
00:53:24,325 --> 00:53:27,965
Speaker 1: if you're angrier at me for making you watch Skinna

938
00:53:28,005 --> 00:53:29,125
Speaker 1: Marink or if that's Debbie.

939
00:53:29,125 --> 00:53:31,445
Speaker 6: Did you like did you end up like I liked it?

940
00:53:31,485 --> 00:53:33,325
Speaker 6: I liked it well enough? Yeah, I think it's well.

941
00:53:33,485 --> 00:53:36,005
Speaker 6: I mean, I think it's effective at what it's trying

942
00:53:36,045 --> 00:53:37,045
Speaker 6: to do for sure.

943
00:53:38,005 --> 00:53:38,485
Speaker 2: Fair enough.

944
00:53:38,525 --> 00:53:41,205
Speaker 1: Well. The director of Skinner Marine, Kyle Edward, balls back

945
00:53:41,245 --> 00:53:44,405
Speaker 1: with another horror effort, this one set in a secluded

946
00:53:44,445 --> 00:53:46,844
Speaker 1: town in northern Canada during a snowstorm. This one, I'm

947
00:53:46,845 --> 00:53:49,045
Speaker 1: glad it didn't come up. There's no set date for

948
00:53:49,125 --> 00:53:52,965
Speaker 1: the Land of Nod, but hopefully it'll be this year.

949
00:53:53,525 --> 00:53:56,925
Speaker 1: And you know you mentioned it at the top. I

950
00:53:56,925 --> 00:53:58,845
Speaker 1: had it on my board here at number ten. Dune

951
00:53:58,845 --> 00:54:02,885
Speaker 1: Part three. I'm a Dune appreciator. I like the movies

952
00:54:02,885 --> 00:54:06,205
Speaker 1: more than you do, Adam. I'm not exactly an enthusiast.

953
00:54:06,685 --> 00:54:11,725
Speaker 1: I still, for whatever reason, perverse reason, perhaps maybe this

954
00:54:11,765 --> 00:54:13,925
Speaker 1: one will put me over the top. Dune Part three.

955
00:54:14,245 --> 00:54:16,285
Speaker 1: I am excited about it. And then just because we

956
00:54:16,365 --> 00:54:18,805
Speaker 1: mentioned it quickly here where Wolf I did have at

957
00:54:18,845 --> 00:54:21,685
Speaker 1: number eleven, So your instinct was not too far off.

958
00:54:22,365 --> 00:54:25,925
Speaker 6: If we were still doing the twenty twenty six or

959
00:54:25,965 --> 00:54:30,205
Speaker 6: the year preview as questions, there would have to be

960
00:54:30,245 --> 00:54:34,445
Speaker 6: a question about Aliens, something related to aliens, because not

961
00:54:34,485 --> 00:54:38,605
Speaker 6: only do you have Disclosure Day, the first pick that

962
00:54:38,725 --> 00:54:42,325
Speaker 6: you made from Steven Spielberg, but we have The Dog Stars.

963
00:54:42,725 --> 00:54:46,444
Speaker 6: I'm going with aliens slash creatures slash you know sci

964
00:54:46,525 --> 00:54:49,605
Speaker 6: fi here, right, You've got The Dog Stars from Ridley Scott,

965
00:54:49,645 --> 00:54:54,885
Speaker 6: which is a post apocalyptic world roaming scavengers called Reapers

966
00:54:54,965 --> 00:54:59,205
Speaker 6: and a protagonist named Higg who's a pilot. You've also

967
00:54:59,285 --> 00:55:03,565
Speaker 6: got The Great Beyond, which is retitled from ghost writer

968
00:55:03,765 --> 00:55:08,245
Speaker 6: JJ Abrams is back. I saw pal Jenna ortegas Samuel L.

969
00:55:08,365 --> 00:55:08,765
Speaker 2: Jackson.

970
00:55:09,165 --> 00:55:12,285
Speaker 6: This is a young newlywed couple struggling to survive against

971
00:55:12,325 --> 00:55:15,565
Speaker 6: a supernatural entity. Okay, I did really like Super eight,

972
00:55:16,085 --> 00:55:19,525
Speaker 6: and I've liked some other JJ Abrams directed film, so

973
00:55:19,805 --> 00:55:23,085
Speaker 6: I'm curious about that. Dune I suppose could fit into

974
00:55:23,125 --> 00:55:26,285
Speaker 6: that as well. And I am actually a little bit surprised.

975
00:55:26,325 --> 00:55:29,645
Speaker 6: I don't know if this is maybe I'm going too

976
00:55:29,645 --> 00:55:32,404
Speaker 6: broad with my alien creature approach here, but just as

977
00:55:32,445 --> 00:55:35,285
Speaker 6: its own title, I'm a little surprised this didn't get

978
00:55:35,325 --> 00:55:38,205
Speaker 6: mentioned by you, Josh, considering the director.

979
00:55:39,205 --> 00:55:41,165
Speaker 2: It fits with.

980
00:55:41,085 --> 00:55:44,485
Speaker 6: What I was saying about Greta Gerwig. Here is a

981
00:55:44,645 --> 00:55:48,605
Speaker 6: series that I know zero about. Couldn't tell you the

982
00:55:48,645 --> 00:55:54,725
Speaker 6: first thing any of the characters, what happens in them,

983
00:55:55,165 --> 00:55:56,485
Speaker 6: what the stories.

984
00:55:56,045 --> 00:55:57,365
Speaker 2: Are, no idea.

985
00:55:58,165 --> 00:56:02,605
Speaker 6: But what might actually get me to go to a

986
00:56:02,765 --> 00:56:08,325
Speaker 6: Resident Evil movie this September is the fact that not

987
00:56:08,365 --> 00:56:11,125
Speaker 6: only do I like Paul Walter Hauser who's among the cast,

988
00:56:11,805 --> 00:56:15,205
Speaker 6: but directing the new Resident Evil movie is Zach Kraiger.

989
00:56:15,925 --> 00:56:18,005
Speaker 2: I now he he of Weapons.

990
00:56:18,645 --> 00:56:21,924
Speaker 1: I can tell you. I can tell you Resident Evil

991
00:56:21,965 --> 00:56:26,685
Speaker 1: involves zombies. I can tell you that, looking up quickly

992
00:56:26,685 --> 00:56:30,125
Speaker 1: at my own Larson on Film Archives, Resident Evil Extinction

993
00:56:31,045 --> 00:56:34,885
Speaker 1: I was a fan of. Apparently this is you know,

994
00:56:34,925 --> 00:56:39,405
Speaker 1: the Milia Djoviovic era of Resident Evil. Wasn't such a

995
00:56:39,405 --> 00:56:41,565
Speaker 1: fan of the first Resident Evil in two thousand and two,

996
00:56:42,085 --> 00:56:45,605
Speaker 1: Resident Evil Apocalypse two thousand and four. Nope, nope, not

997
00:56:45,645 --> 00:56:48,325
Speaker 1: a fan of that. See this is a case Adam

998
00:56:48,365 --> 00:56:51,364
Speaker 1: of Like, you're absolutely right. If Zach Kreiger had been

999
00:56:52,005 --> 00:56:57,325
Speaker 1: doing an original film, possibly my first pick after Weapons, right,

1000
00:56:57,485 --> 00:57:00,765
Speaker 1: or definitely in the top five. But the ip is,

1001
00:57:02,045 --> 00:57:04,725
Speaker 1: you know, it's just not doing it for me, even

1002
00:57:04,765 --> 00:57:07,725
Speaker 1: though it probably will do it for the box office.

1003
00:57:07,845 --> 00:57:10,725
Speaker 1: And more power to him than you know, he can

1004
00:57:10,765 --> 00:57:12,765
Speaker 1: go on and do whatever he wants after and hey,

1005
00:57:13,045 --> 00:57:15,484
Speaker 1: maybe it'll be great. Anything can be great at.

1006
00:57:15,405 --> 00:57:19,045
Speaker 6: Him, anything can be great. That's Josh Larson's approach to life.

1007
00:57:19,325 --> 00:57:23,085
Speaker 6: It's so optimistic. I love it again. You can email

1008
00:57:23,165 --> 00:57:26,245
Speaker 6: us feedback at filmspotting dot net tell us what we missed,

1009
00:57:26,445 --> 00:57:29,045
Speaker 6: tell us what you can't wait to see, and you

1010
00:57:29,085 --> 00:57:32,485
Speaker 6: can view our draft results at any time by going

1011
00:57:32,485 --> 00:57:34,685
Speaker 6: to film spotting dot net slash list.

1012
00:57:35,205 --> 00:57:37,645
Speaker 1: Let's take a moment to thank some of the Film

1013
00:57:37,645 --> 00:57:41,925
Speaker 1: Spotting family members who support the show and let us

1014
00:57:42,005 --> 00:57:44,125
Speaker 1: keep doing what we're doing. We want to thank family

1015
00:57:44,205 --> 00:57:48,485
Speaker 1: plus members Cameron Newton in Reno, Nevada and Robert Duffin

1016
00:57:48,765 --> 00:57:53,605
Speaker 1: in Glasgow, Scotland for their support of the show. Cameron

1017
00:57:54,005 --> 00:57:58,165
Speaker 1: is at Cam B Newton on letterboxed and if you

1018
00:57:58,205 --> 00:58:02,565
Speaker 1: want to follow Robert, Robert's at R Duffin. We got

1019
00:58:02,605 --> 00:58:04,485
Speaker 1: a few notes from Cameron here we want to share

1020
00:58:04,485 --> 00:58:06,525
Speaker 1: it says I've been listening to Film Spotting for over

1021
00:58:06,565 --> 00:58:09,845
Speaker 1: five years now, and I first discovered it after seeing

1022
00:58:09,965 --> 00:58:12,365
Speaker 1: and loving Marriage Story and searching for a discussion of

1023
00:58:12,405 --> 00:58:14,925
Speaker 1: that film. In late twenty nineteen, I was in my

1024
00:58:14,965 --> 00:58:16,605
Speaker 1: first year of law school at the time, and I

1025
00:58:16,685 --> 00:58:20,525
Speaker 1: quite literally credit film Spotting with saving my sanity. Law

1026
00:58:20,525 --> 00:58:23,365
Speaker 1: school was the toughest experience of my life, and I

1027
00:58:23,485 --> 00:58:26,525
Speaker 1: used movie going paired with this podcast, as an escapist

1028
00:58:26,565 --> 00:58:30,325
Speaker 1: outlet to get my mind off things and persevere through

1029
00:58:30,365 --> 00:58:33,925
Speaker 1: the schoolwork. The Film Spotting podcast became a regular companion

1030
00:58:34,005 --> 00:58:36,845
Speaker 1: on my head clearing walks, gym outings and drives around

1031
00:58:36,885 --> 00:58:38,605
Speaker 1: the country, and for the past five years it has

1032
00:58:38,645 --> 00:58:42,285
Speaker 1: served as treasured listening, informing me of movies I've never

1033
00:58:42,325 --> 00:58:45,325
Speaker 1: heard of and provided me with insight and discussion that

1034
00:58:45,445 --> 00:58:48,285
Speaker 1: is smart and deep and good natured. Here's to another

1035
00:58:48,765 --> 00:58:52,165
Speaker 1: twenty years of film Spotting. I'm glad you made it through.

1036
00:58:52,285 --> 00:58:54,885
Speaker 1: I might not share that story with my daughter, who's

1037
00:58:55,045 --> 00:58:57,245
Speaker 1: my older daughter's probably going to be entering law school

1038
00:58:57,285 --> 00:59:00,125
Speaker 1: next fall. I don't think telling her to listen to

1039
00:59:00,165 --> 00:59:02,725
Speaker 1: film Spotting is going to get her through it, So no, pa,

1040
00:59:02,845 --> 00:59:06,005
Speaker 1: try to think of trying to think of something else. Robert,

1041
00:59:06,165 --> 00:59:09,205
Speaker 1: our other family plus member, turns out has been listening

1042
00:59:09,365 --> 00:59:11,965
Speaker 1: even longer. Here are a few comments from him. I

1043
00:59:12,005 --> 00:59:16,085
Speaker 1: was hunting for film podcasts post Oscars ceremony after discovering

1044
00:59:16,125 --> 00:59:17,965
Speaker 1: the medium for the first time in two thousand and six,

1045
00:59:18,605 --> 00:59:23,405
Speaker 1: my first film spotting listens technically cinecast gulp saying that

1046
00:59:23,445 --> 00:59:26,045
Speaker 1: made me feel like I'm on the beach. From old

1047
00:59:26,405 --> 00:59:29,325
Speaker 1: were episodes eighty three and eighty four, The Bruce Willis

1048
00:59:29,325 --> 00:59:33,165
Speaker 1: Most Stuff starring Sixteen Blocks and Ozu's Floating Weeds that

1049
00:59:33,285 --> 00:59:36,445
Speaker 1: was part of the Overlooked Tours marathon. Whenever I hear

1050
00:59:36,485 --> 00:59:38,645
Speaker 1: the name of that Ozuo film, I think of the show.

1051
00:59:38,885 --> 00:59:41,125
Speaker 1: I'm sure the same would be true for sixteen Blocks,

1052
00:59:41,445 --> 00:59:43,245
Speaker 1: but no one ever talks about it.

1053
00:59:43,525 --> 00:59:47,805
Speaker 6: No, it's true. I mean Sam had to look it up.

1054
00:59:48,245 --> 00:59:50,845
Speaker 6: I do remember. I mean I don't remember reviewing it,

1055
00:59:50,925 --> 00:59:53,125
Speaker 6: but it is one that I can I can clock

1056
00:59:53,205 --> 00:59:56,725
Speaker 6: in my memory that we did talk about. Sam had

1057
00:59:56,765 --> 00:59:59,565
Speaker 6: to go back and prove to himself that we talked

1058
00:59:59,565 --> 01:00:02,605
Speaker 6: about it. It was episode eighty three. It included also

1059
01:00:02,645 --> 01:00:05,445
Speaker 6: at two thousand and six Oscars post Mortem. So yes,

1060
01:00:05,525 --> 01:00:07,445
Speaker 6: Sam saw it and he reviewed it.

1061
01:00:07,445 --> 01:00:08,205
Speaker 2: It's true.

1062
01:00:09,525 --> 01:00:12,925
Speaker 1: On the record, all right. Cameron and Robert both have

1063
01:00:13,005 --> 01:00:16,805
Speaker 1: favored or at least memorable episodes. Cameron, no film Spotting

1064
01:00:16,845 --> 01:00:19,325
Speaker 1: episode has ever made me laugh harder than Josh describing

1065
01:00:19,365 --> 01:00:21,605
Speaker 1: his experience seeing the woman King in one of those

1066
01:00:21,685 --> 01:00:25,885
Speaker 1: immersive theaters that sprayed him with water and shook his seat.

1067
01:00:25,925 --> 01:00:28,165
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what was going to repressed that? Thanks

1068
01:00:28,645 --> 01:00:32,005
Speaker 1: for bringing it back. In terms of more serious reviews,

1069
01:00:32,045 --> 01:00:36,005
Speaker 1: I love the Sacred Cow Godfather episode. All right, here's

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Speaker 1: Robert's favorite, or at least memorable. This is not a

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Speaker 1: favorite at all, oh, but incredibly memorable the argument between

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Speaker 1: Adam and Sambuck double Indemnity. I vividly remember walking down

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Speaker 1: Buchanan Street in Glasgow and having to take my headphones

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Speaker 1: off to take a breath. It was like hearing my

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Speaker 1: parents arguing absolute trauma. Also, despite being from the UK

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01:00:57,925 --> 01:01:00,725
Speaker 1: and having no clue about the cultural significance of March madness,

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Speaker 1: I love film spotting Madness.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, Josh, I was thinking, I don't know

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Speaker 6: if you have if you have a movie that comes

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01:01:07,685 --> 01:01:09,285
Speaker 6: to mind, or if there is a case for you

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Speaker 6: like this, But I'm sure others are. Many people listening

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01:01:13,245 --> 01:01:16,045
Speaker 6: have an example of this. Movies where you feel like

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Speaker 6: they're special to you because you have an unlocked take.

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01:01:22,205 --> 01:01:24,285
Speaker 6: Shelter was one of those movies for me, right where

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Speaker 6: where once I had for me what I thought was

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Speaker 6: a revelation about the ending, and in talking about it,

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01:01:29,565 --> 01:01:33,445
Speaker 6: I helped other people unlock what it potentially meant. That

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01:01:33,845 --> 01:01:38,405
Speaker 6: movie then became special to me Double Indemnity, so that

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Speaker 6: review was one where Sam had never seen it. It

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01:01:41,165 --> 01:01:44,085
Speaker 6: was part of that marathon, a noir marathon. I had

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Speaker 6: seen it, and not only had I seen it, I

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01:01:47,645 --> 01:01:52,485
Speaker 6: think Double Indemnity was the first movie I ever unlocked,

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Speaker 6: I ever felt like I unlocked for myself. I saw

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Speaker 6: it in college. It was part of like a hard

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Speaker 6: Boiled America class. It was an American Studies class about

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Speaker 6: hard boiled fiction, but we watched movies too that were

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01:02:04,445 --> 01:02:06,645
Speaker 6: based on those stories, like this one was based on

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Speaker 6: James M. McCain, and I remember watching that movie for

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Speaker 6: an essay I had to write, and seeing things in

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Speaker 6: that movie that I thought, No, I'm not seeing anybody

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Speaker 6: talk about these things. I am seeing things that Billy

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Speaker 6: Wilder is doing. I cannot wait to write these things

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Speaker 6: down and share these brilliant insights with the world. And

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Speaker 6: I was sure that Sam was also going to be

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Speaker 6: wowed by all of my insights, only to find that

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Speaker 6: he didn't like the movie.

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Speaker 1: He was.

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Speaker 6: Not, And yeah, I don't know that I handled it

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Speaker 6: all that well, because that, for me was I think

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Speaker 6: that was the first movie I truly felt like, I

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Speaker 6: can't believe what I'm seeing in this film.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not only did he not like the movie, he

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Speaker 1: didn't appreciate your insights. No, I mean, now that Cameron

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Speaker 1: has brought it up, I think the only thing that

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Speaker 1: has unlocked me is the woman King just shaking my

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Speaker 1: brain in my head. The forty X it was horrible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Can we move on to movies that Cameron and Robert

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Speaker 1: credit with becoming cinophiles? Sure, Cameron, I watched Buster Keaton's

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Speaker 1: Go West in a college film class and was mesmerized

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Speaker 1: by the magic he was able to make almost a

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Speaker 1: century ago. Totally makes sense, Cameron, And here's Robert. American

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Speaker 1: beauty could lie to avoid the awkwardness. And I haven't

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Speaker 1: rewatched it, but it really was the one. You know what, Robert,

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01:03:27,685 --> 01:03:30,405
Speaker 1: no shame and that no shame. I get it, even

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01:03:30,445 --> 01:03:33,245
Speaker 1: though Yeah, I mean I had reservations about American beauty

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01:03:33,285 --> 01:03:37,245
Speaker 1: at the time, but the filmmaking going on there, I

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Speaker 1: get it. I can see how that can hook you

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Speaker 1: on the medium.

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Speaker 6: For sure, Robert, get a plastic bag tattoo, go for it.

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Speaker 1: It's fine, Robert, don't go that far.

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Speaker 6: We thank Cameron and Robert for being family members and

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Speaker 6: for all of those years, all of those years of listening.

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Speaker 6: In addition to keeping us doing what we're doing, membership

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Speaker 6: does come with perks like listening early in ed free,

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Speaker 6: getting the weekly newsletter where Sam is dropping bombs all

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Speaker 6: over the place, as Josh alluded to. You get exclusive

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Speaker 6: opportunities like being part of the Film Spotting Family discord,

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Speaker 6: and you get monthly bonus shows. Speaking of Sam dropping bombs,

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Speaker 6: just wait till you hear what he has to say

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Speaker 6: about Paul Thomas Anderson's Boogie.

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Speaker 1: Nights did not disappoint.

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Speaker 2: Oh you think it's good. You think Boogie Nights is good?

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Speaker 2: Just wait?

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Speaker 6: That comes to the Family Feed on Monday, January twenty sixth,

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Speaker 1: Adam. Sometimes when I'm traveling on vacation, I'm able to

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Speaker 1: squeeze in a movie. I don't mind doing that. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's fun to see a movie in a different town.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you just get too busy and there are other

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Speaker 1: things you have to prioritize. It's been since I've been

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Speaker 1: traveling in Spain well over a week, maybe ten days,

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Speaker 1: trying to think of the last movie I saw before

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Speaker 1: we left it maybe two weeks since I've seen a

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Speaker 1: movie in a theater, and it's starting to get a

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Speaker 1: little claustrophobic for me. Things are skins starting to itching.

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Speaker 1: I don't like to go that long without seeing a

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Speaker 1: film in a proper theater, and I know most of

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Speaker 1: our listeners feel the same way, to the point that

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Speaker 2: We search for souls to deliver to Hal. How are

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Speaker 2: you going to leave?

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Speaker 1: Yes, but obviously we're going to kill you first.

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Speaker 6: Our men in Spain. Josh, we'll return shortly. I now

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Speaker 6: get to welcome in. Vulture critic Roxanna Hadtti to the show.

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Speaker 6: We're going to talk twenty eight years later The Bone Temple,

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Speaker 6: which is just fun to say. Welcome Roxanna, How are.

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Speaker 3: You, thank you, thank you. I'm doing okay. How about yourself?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 6: It's great to have you back here on film spotting.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, Josh was angering me earlier by talking about

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Speaker 6: how he was in Spain and it's so sunny and

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Speaker 6: warm and beautiful, and where I am it's five degrees

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01:07:52,165 --> 01:07:54,605
Speaker 6: but it feels like minus eighteen, So I have that

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Speaker 6: going for me.

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Speaker 2: How are things where you're at?

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Speaker 3: I am outside Baltimore. It was like sixteen degrees today,

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Speaker 3: and then we're going into a potential one foot of

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Speaker 3: snow one feet of snow over the weekend, so also

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Speaker 3: incredibly cold. Yeah, not great.

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Speaker 6: Well, let's hopefully move on to better topics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if they're warmer topics necessarily. Nothing with

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Speaker 6: Jimmy Crystal can be too warm, but we will do

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Speaker 6: our best. The Bone Temple picks up right where last

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Speaker 6: year's twenty eight years Later left off the notable difference.

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Speaker 6: Nia da Costa takes over for Danny Boyle. DaCosta directed

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Speaker 6: last year's Heada, also The Marvels and the twenty twenty

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Speaker 6: one Kiddey Man remake. The screenplay is by Alex Garland,

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Speaker 6: who wrote Twenty eight Years Later and the Original Days,

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Speaker 6: returning Ray Fines, Doctor Kelson, and Alfy Williams Spike, the

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Speaker 6: kid hero of sorts of the previous film. New to

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Speaker 6: this one, but memorably teased at the end of part

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Speaker 6: one is Jack O'Connell's Sir Lord Jimmy Crystal the aforementioned

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Speaker 6: Sir Lord Jimmy Cristal. We can start really anywhere with

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Speaker 6: this one, Roxanna. I believe, based on the tweet of

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Speaker 6: yours that I saw that you do like the Bone Temple,

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Speaker 6: and I will go ahead and say I like the

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Speaker 6: Bone Temple as well, though I'm not sure I like

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Speaker 6: it quite as much as I liked twenty eight years Later.

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Speaker 2: Tell me what you thought.

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Speaker 3: I am nodding exuberantly because that's basically exactly where I am.

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Speaker 3: And I was very, very doubtful of this entire project

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Speaker 3: because a lot of Alex Garland's recent stuff has not

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Speaker 3: been for me. I did not like men, I did

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Speaker 3: not like civil war, I did not like warfare. So

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Speaker 3: I went into this whole enterprise very hesitantly. When we

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Speaker 3: put that completely honestly upfront, but I was incredibly shockingly

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Speaker 3: I guess moved by twenty eight years later in both

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Speaker 3: like a horror space and in a surprisingly emotionally affected space.

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Speaker 3: And I found myself with Bone Temple more in that

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01:10:09,005 --> 01:10:13,805
Speaker 3: continuing emotion space, which I really liked. I think the

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01:10:13,965 --> 01:10:19,365
Speaker 3: characters are doing really interesting things in terms of the

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01:10:19,485 --> 01:10:22,565
Speaker 3: constant zombie question of like are we actually the monsters?

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Speaker 3: I do think there are interesting shades to that here.

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Speaker 3: I do think that the movie has fun with itself,

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Speaker 3: which is like not something we've gotten in this genre

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Speaker 3: for a very long time at this point. But I

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Speaker 3: feel like we lost some of the like deranged, unsettling,

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Speaker 3: nightmarish visuals of the first twenty eight years later, and

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Speaker 3: I found myself sort of missing the abruptness like when

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Speaker 3: we would switch to night vision. I loved that, or

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Speaker 3: when we would do the bizarre like fish eye lens whippans.

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Speaker 7: I missed some of that, and I the first time

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01:11:05,645 --> 01:11:07,525
Speaker 7: I was watching twenty years later, I was like, what

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01:11:07,605 --> 01:11:10,045
Speaker 7: the hell is going on? And now I found myself

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Speaker 7: wanting it again. So I liked Bone Temple a fair amount.

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Speaker 7: I just I guess I missed Danny Boyle a little

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Speaker 7: bit too.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe I did as well, even though there are

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01:11:21,485 --> 01:11:26,245
Speaker 6: also touches here of Nia Dacostas that I really appreciated,

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Speaker 6: and I'm glad you also kind of put it in

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Speaker 6: a little bit of perspective. With Alex Garland, I hadn't

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Speaker 6: really thought about his more recent fair but even just

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01:11:35,685 --> 01:11:37,965
Speaker 6: going back a little bit in terms of some of

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Speaker 6: his other work as a director and writer or just

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01:11:40,605 --> 01:11:43,525
Speaker 6: as a writer, I love ex Makina and I did

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01:11:43,605 --> 01:11:46,685
Speaker 6: like Annihilation quite a bit, and longtime listeners know I

1266
01:11:46,725 --> 01:11:48,845
Speaker 6: am way in the bag for Never Let Me Go.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, I was really mixed on Civil War and

1268
01:11:52,005 --> 01:11:55,445
Speaker 6: mixed on Men, and I honestly didn't even see Warfare

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Speaker 6: kind of because of my feelings about those other two films.

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Speaker 6: So I have mixed feelings, I suppose, overall, on Alex

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Speaker 6: Garland's work, But I do love what he's done with

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Speaker 6: this series so far and where it seemed to be going.

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Speaker 6: And the idea is that he does seem to be

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Speaker 6: exploring here, and it's exploring. This film is exploring exactly

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01:12:17,525 --> 01:12:20,485
Speaker 6: what twenty eight years later seemed to be suggesting it

1276
01:12:20,525 --> 01:12:24,045
Speaker 6: would about. You said it very well and very succinctly,

1277
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Speaker 6: but about humanity and about humanity's capacity for inhumanity, and

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Speaker 6: and I like so many things about those ideas and

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01:12:33,845 --> 01:12:37,125
Speaker 6: and also about what as I mentioned Dacosta's direction and

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Speaker 6: some of the choices, even just at the very beginning

1281
01:12:40,325 --> 01:12:44,765
Speaker 6: opening on uh Sir Lord Lord Jimmy Crystal, and we

1282
01:12:44,805 --> 01:12:47,604
Speaker 6: see just some of those choices with the visuals, the

1283
01:12:47,605 --> 01:12:50,684
Speaker 6: the the aerial shots, the kind of you know, from

1284
01:12:50,965 --> 01:12:53,845
Speaker 6: from God shots or or almost I should say, maybe

1285
01:12:53,845 --> 01:12:57,005
Speaker 6: it's you know, old Nick, you know it's it's more

1286
01:12:57,085 --> 01:13:00,125
Speaker 6: like Satan shots, even though they're aerial shots or or

1287
01:13:00,245 --> 01:13:03,525
Speaker 6: coming from through window shots. You know, she she has

1288
01:13:03,565 --> 01:13:07,085
Speaker 6: a very good eye obviously, and so we we we

1289
01:13:07,125 --> 01:13:08,725
Speaker 6: get interesting perspectives.

1290
01:13:08,805 --> 01:13:10,965
Speaker 2: And and I love as well when.

1291
01:13:10,805 --> 01:13:14,365
Speaker 6: We see or we meet Samson again and we get

1292
01:13:14,365 --> 01:13:16,845
Speaker 6: that I don't exactly I didn't look up exactly what

1293
01:13:16,845 --> 01:13:21,285
Speaker 6: they're doing, but that effect that when they bring on

1294
01:13:21,525 --> 01:13:24,405
Speaker 6: or try to suggest his psychosis, if you will, or

1295
01:13:24,445 --> 01:13:26,805
Speaker 6: the rage right that shake cam.

1296
01:13:27,005 --> 01:13:29,165
Speaker 2: Look where we're.

1297
01:13:28,605 --> 01:13:31,645
Speaker 6: Attached to him as his head swivels, I think is

1298
01:13:31,685 --> 01:13:34,245
Speaker 6: really really effective as well. But I do think the

1299
01:13:34,285 --> 01:13:38,885
Speaker 6: Bone Temple is burdened by its gateway roll advancing old

1300
01:13:38,965 --> 01:13:43,724
Speaker 6: threads and establishing new ones here again, though DeCosta's direction,

1301
01:13:43,805 --> 01:13:47,005
Speaker 6: in Garland's ideas and sharp character keep it compelling. But

1302
01:13:47,205 --> 01:13:50,845
Speaker 6: what I mean by that, and part of it, I'll say,

1303
01:13:50,845 --> 01:13:54,325
Speaker 6: the burden I mean is with the first movie if

1304
01:13:54,365 --> 01:13:58,605
Speaker 6: you think about it, the actual distance traveled by the characters,

1305
01:13:59,365 --> 01:14:01,365
Speaker 6: if you think of the scale of it, it's not

1306
01:14:01,525 --> 01:14:07,125
Speaker 6: that big, right, yes, but it feels it feels expansive.

1307
01:14:07,445 --> 01:14:12,045
Speaker 6: It feels like they travel far physically and emotionally. And

1308
01:14:12,125 --> 01:14:14,925
Speaker 6: on that front too, I'll say, I don't know, not

1309
01:14:14,965 --> 01:14:17,285
Speaker 6: only do we not maybe get as you said, quite

1310
01:14:17,325 --> 01:14:20,885
Speaker 6: as much deranged, you know, quite as much craziness with

1311
01:14:21,125 --> 01:14:23,325
Speaker 6: when we also I don't know that we got anything

1312
01:14:23,565 --> 01:14:26,725
Speaker 6: quite on the level of the emotional heft like the

1313
01:14:26,805 --> 01:14:28,925
Speaker 6: last fifteen minutes of twenty eight years Later. I don't

1314
01:14:28,965 --> 01:14:32,365
Speaker 6: think we get any moments here that match the power

1315
01:14:33,045 --> 01:14:35,845
Speaker 6: of some of those moments near the end of Twenty

1316
01:14:35,885 --> 01:14:39,125
Speaker 6: eight years Later. But also in this movie, I was

1317
01:14:39,245 --> 01:14:42,285
Speaker 6: very aware of how they really don't go anywhere at all,

1318
01:14:42,765 --> 01:14:46,844
Speaker 6: Like it seems like they just circle around doctor Kelson's place.

1319
01:14:47,485 --> 01:14:50,684
Speaker 2: You know it just yeah, you really do, you really

1320
01:14:50,725 --> 01:14:51,445
Speaker 2: do notice it.

1321
01:14:51,485 --> 01:14:53,525
Speaker 6: But I'll dig into this more a little bit later,

1322
01:14:53,565 --> 01:14:55,685
Speaker 6: but I want to throw it back to you in

1323
01:14:55,805 --> 01:14:58,965
Speaker 6: terms of the narrative though, when I said gateway, you remember,

1324
01:14:59,005 --> 01:15:01,885
Speaker 6: in the first one, one of the most memorable sequences

1325
01:15:01,605 --> 01:15:05,325
Speaker 6: in the film, the action, the best action sequence was

1326
01:15:05,325 --> 01:15:08,564
Speaker 6: probably the causeway scene. Right the causeway was that link,

1327
01:15:08,645 --> 01:15:11,564
Speaker 6: the connector. That's kind of my metaphor for this film,

1328
01:15:11,805 --> 01:15:14,525
Speaker 6: where you think about it as the second film, it's

1329
01:15:14,565 --> 01:15:18,685
Speaker 6: the bridge, it's the causeway, you know, And that's what

1330
01:15:18,725 --> 01:15:21,525
Speaker 6: I'm thinking about in terms of it's the it's the

1331
01:15:21,565 --> 01:15:25,845
Speaker 6: causeway linking these two and it is doing some good

1332
01:15:25,925 --> 01:15:28,684
Speaker 6: character work. But at the same time, I was very

1333
01:15:28,685 --> 01:15:32,325
Speaker 6: aware of how much work it had to do to

1334
01:15:33,645 --> 01:15:40,285
Speaker 6: juggle between Spike but also Jimmy Crystal and also doctor Kelson,

1335
01:15:40,405 --> 01:15:45,445
Speaker 6: and then also introduced to us this wonderful character who

1336
01:15:45,485 --> 01:15:47,405
Speaker 6: we imagine is going to be a key part of

1337
01:15:47,445 --> 01:15:49,845
Speaker 6: the next film, which I want to make sure I

1338
01:15:49,885 --> 01:15:54,045
Speaker 6: get her name right, Aaron Kellyman, who is one of

1339
01:15:54,125 --> 01:15:57,285
Speaker 6: Jimmy's fingers Jimmy Inc. She's called so I can explain

1340
01:15:57,325 --> 01:15:59,925
Speaker 6: a little bit more about why I think that that

1341
01:16:00,365 --> 01:16:03,125
Speaker 6: wasn't quite as effective as maybe it needed to be

1342
01:16:03,165 --> 01:16:06,965
Speaker 6: for me. But that gateway aspect to this film I

1343
01:16:06,965 --> 01:16:08,604
Speaker 6: think was a burden for it.

1344
01:16:09,005 --> 01:16:12,564
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the first one has this very clear I mean,

1345
01:16:12,605 --> 01:16:17,604
Speaker 3: you're getting like a three decade reset. We're basically walking

1346
01:16:17,725 --> 01:16:22,045
Speaker 3: through what happened in twenty eight Later we're like sort

1347
01:16:22,085 --> 01:16:24,765
Speaker 3: of we're sort of gesturing to it a little bit,

1348
01:16:24,965 --> 01:16:27,804
Speaker 3: but like, don't worry now, everything's contained again to England.

1349
01:16:29,045 --> 01:16:31,525
Speaker 3: And so I feel like it then had the opportunity

1350
01:16:31,565 --> 01:16:35,685
Speaker 3: to of course, like introduce this community that happens to

1351
01:16:35,725 --> 01:16:37,845
Speaker 3: live at the end of the causeway. We can get

1352
01:16:37,845 --> 01:16:41,205
Speaker 3: a sense of what their rituals are, sort of what

1353
01:16:41,285 --> 01:16:47,485
Speaker 3: their culture is. There is this like old folk mythic

1354
01:16:47,845 --> 01:16:52,205
Speaker 3: sort of ideology that has taken hold again something Garland

1355
01:16:52,245 --> 01:16:56,725
Speaker 3: is like very fascinated by men, is like all about that, right, Yes,

1356
01:16:57,005 --> 01:17:00,604
Speaker 3: so you have this ability to create this community. I also, frankly,

1357
01:17:01,405 --> 01:17:05,925
Speaker 3: I just I my frustration is almost that these movies

1358
01:17:05,965 --> 01:17:10,445
Speaker 3: have like too many interesting characters. Yeah, because I sort

1359
01:17:10,485 --> 01:17:14,045
Speaker 3: of missed the Aaron Taylor Johnson character, who is so

1360
01:17:15,165 --> 01:17:19,644
Speaker 3: I just contradictory. In the first film, everything about him

1361
01:17:19,725 --> 01:17:23,125
Speaker 3: is sort of a performance. He is just doing this,

1362
01:17:23,525 --> 01:17:26,045
Speaker 3: He's really doing the like keep calm to carry on

1363
01:17:26,565 --> 01:17:29,765
Speaker 3: British thing like lying to his son, lying to himself.

1364
01:17:30,325 --> 01:17:34,005
Speaker 3: And I think like we got such a strong coming

1365
01:17:34,045 --> 01:17:38,845
Speaker 3: of age structure in that first film that in this

1366
01:17:39,045 --> 01:17:43,045
Speaker 3: second one we're not really doing like a coming of age,

1367
01:17:43,605 --> 01:17:49,045
Speaker 3: but we're really shifting focus away from Spike towards Samson

1368
01:17:49,485 --> 01:17:52,485
Speaker 3: and Ian. And then to your point, like all of

1369
01:17:52,525 --> 01:17:58,285
Speaker 3: the Spike stuff feels lost in time, like I have

1370
01:17:58,325 --> 01:18:01,885
Speaker 3: no clue how long they were wandering. We get the

1371
01:18:01,925 --> 01:18:07,765
Speaker 3: suggestion that, like the Jimmies have been roaming the countryside

1372
01:18:07,885 --> 01:18:12,085
Speaker 3: for a number of years, because we met Jimmy way

1373
01:18:12,325 --> 01:18:15,925
Speaker 3: way way back in the beginning of the first film,

1374
01:18:15,965 --> 01:18:17,764
Speaker 3: so we know he's been around for a long time.

1375
01:18:17,965 --> 01:18:20,925
Speaker 3: So I frankly was thinking, like, has he not seen

1376
01:18:21,085 --> 01:18:24,845
Speaker 3: the Bone temple before? This gigantic artifact that we can.

1377
01:18:25,085 --> 01:18:29,445
Speaker 6: Did accretize as well? You know, it's pretty noticeable, right.

1378
01:18:29,365 --> 01:18:32,965
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I think it unfortunately, like because

1379
01:18:33,045 --> 01:18:35,724
Speaker 3: we have to switch focus because this movie is really

1380
01:18:36,245 --> 01:18:39,285
Speaker 3: like about Samson and Kelson and their relationship and this

1381
01:18:39,405 --> 01:18:44,445
Speaker 3: question again like what makes a person? Is it your memories,

1382
01:18:44,565 --> 01:18:48,604
Speaker 3: is it your physical form? Like what is it? So, yeah,

1383
01:18:48,645 --> 01:18:52,964
Speaker 3: the Spike stuff becomes kind of muddled, which is unfortunate

1384
01:18:53,045 --> 01:18:56,564
Speaker 3: because I think Jack O'Connell is doing like exceptional villain work.

1385
01:18:56,885 --> 01:19:00,125
Speaker 3: Of course, it is a little bit like a Spike

1386
01:19:00,205 --> 01:19:03,005
Speaker 3: been with them for weeks days?

1387
01:19:03,605 --> 01:19:04,405
Speaker 2: Is it months?

1388
01:19:04,445 --> 01:19:06,925
Speaker 3: Like I have no clue. I have no clue.

1389
01:19:07,325 --> 01:19:07,604
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1390
01:19:07,805 --> 01:19:10,285
Speaker 6: Or maybe is what makes you whom human? Just the

1391
01:19:10,365 --> 01:19:13,925
Speaker 6: desire to occasionally take some drugs and chill out.

1392
01:19:14,485 --> 01:19:16,725
Speaker 2: Yeah? Maybe totally that's all it is.

1393
01:19:16,845 --> 01:19:21,365
Speaker 6: Honestly, you know, peace and respite, as as doctor Kelson says,

1394
01:19:21,365 --> 01:19:23,885
Speaker 6: you know, and that might honestly be it. So you know,

1395
01:19:25,005 --> 01:19:27,405
Speaker 6: what you're saying is exactly where I wanted to go.

1396
01:19:27,445 --> 01:19:30,564
Speaker 6: And keep in mind, I'm only somehow just now realizing

1397
01:19:30,605 --> 01:19:33,325
Speaker 6: that in this little breakdown that I've kind of jotted

1398
01:19:33,365 --> 01:19:36,245
Speaker 6: down in my notes, I hadn't even really accounted for Samson.

1399
01:19:36,285 --> 01:19:38,845
Speaker 6: And he's he's a fifth wheel. I mean, he's such

1400
01:19:38,845 --> 01:19:42,405
Speaker 6: a fascinating character, and he truly is, and I love

1401
01:19:42,445 --> 01:19:45,885
Speaker 6: the performance too. Here in the movie by shy Lewis Perry,

1402
01:19:46,285 --> 01:19:51,245
Speaker 6: he adds just another complication to this. The best way

1403
01:19:51,285 --> 01:19:54,125
Speaker 6: I can break it down is that you have Spike,

1404
01:19:54,605 --> 01:19:58,445
Speaker 6: who is the series' main character. Clearly, he's the audience

1405
01:19:58,485 --> 01:20:02,445
Speaker 6: surrogate sure, but here he's by far the least interesting

1406
01:20:02,565 --> 01:20:06,285
Speaker 6: character in the movie. He's completely sidelined from the action.

1407
01:20:07,005 --> 01:20:11,085
Speaker 6: And that's the action overall, but also in the biggest

1408
01:20:11,165 --> 01:20:13,925
Speaker 6: action set pieces, if you will, he pretty much is

1409
01:20:13,925 --> 01:20:17,525
Speaker 6: a bystander. And poor Alfie Williams, so I think, seems

1410
01:20:17,565 --> 01:20:20,885
Speaker 6: like a pretty talented actor. He's relegated to just look

1411
01:20:21,005 --> 01:20:24,205
Speaker 6: being terrified for two hours. That's pretty much all he

1412
01:20:24,245 --> 01:20:24,805
Speaker 6: gets to do.

1413
01:20:25,205 --> 01:20:28,845
Speaker 3: He's really good at it, but that's all he gets

1414
01:20:28,845 --> 01:20:29,045
Speaker 3: to do.

1415
01:20:29,125 --> 01:20:33,525
Speaker 6: It's a very unfortunate, unfortunately one note performance. The most

1416
01:20:33,685 --> 01:20:37,085
Speaker 6: interesting character, or I'm gonna say now, I'll say characters.

1417
01:20:37,165 --> 01:20:40,365
Speaker 6: The most interesting, interesting characters who you wish you kind

1418
01:20:40,365 --> 01:20:43,125
Speaker 6: of wish they had just made the entire series about

1419
01:20:43,765 --> 01:20:47,925
Speaker 6: are Kelson and Samson. And there I'll now go back

1420
01:20:47,965 --> 01:20:51,525
Speaker 6: to just Kelson, played wonderfully by Fines. Naturally, of course,

1421
01:20:51,565 --> 01:20:53,365
Speaker 6: played wonderfully by Ray Fines.

1422
01:20:53,565 --> 01:20:57,045
Speaker 3: I've been developing an idea about the nature of the infection.

1423
01:21:00,205 --> 01:21:09,365
Speaker 1: When they infected attack, what do they see?

1424
01:21:10,445 --> 01:21:13,565
Speaker 6: And and although he does play a much more significant

1425
01:21:13,645 --> 01:21:17,205
Speaker 6: role here than Spike, he's still not really the character

1426
01:21:17,405 --> 01:21:20,644
Speaker 6: who it feels like the movie is most enamored with,

1427
01:21:21,045 --> 01:21:23,844
Speaker 6: because the character who gets most of the camera's attention,

1428
01:21:24,525 --> 01:21:28,165
Speaker 6: and I think you could say effectively bookends the movie

1429
01:21:28,925 --> 01:21:32,325
Speaker 6: is Jack O'Connell's Jimmy Crystal. And I do really like,

1430
01:21:32,765 --> 01:21:34,885
Speaker 6: as you said, I really like what Jack O'Connell is

1431
01:21:34,925 --> 01:21:38,885
Speaker 6: doing as the villain, and I like the character there is,

1432
01:21:39,125 --> 01:21:44,245
Speaker 6: like with most charismatic villains, he's fun to watch. He's

1433
01:21:44,365 --> 01:21:46,764
Speaker 6: kind of terrifying and fun to watch, and I understand

1434
01:21:46,805 --> 01:21:50,925
Speaker 6: his function in the narrative as this sort of paragon

1435
01:21:51,005 --> 01:21:55,805
Speaker 6: of incivility in contrast to the civility that Kelson and

1436
01:21:55,845 --> 01:21:59,645
Speaker 6: Spike and possibly even Samson represent, But he's also just

1437
01:21:59,765 --> 01:22:05,445
Speaker 6: Jimmy Crystal. He's the antagonist, right, He's not Spike ultimately,

1438
01:22:06,125 --> 01:22:09,165
Speaker 6: and then you add into that introducing, as I said,

1439
01:22:09,245 --> 01:22:13,285
Speaker 6: Jimmy inc in introducing Kellyman as well. So there's just

1440
01:22:13,485 --> 01:22:17,845
Speaker 6: so much character work that has to be done here,

1441
01:22:17,885 --> 01:22:19,445
Speaker 6: and I don't think, I want to be clear, I

1442
01:22:19,445 --> 01:22:22,845
Speaker 6: don't think the problem here. The issue that's holding this

1443
01:22:22,885 --> 01:22:25,525
Speaker 6: film back just a little bit from being as strong

1444
01:22:25,565 --> 01:22:28,564
Speaker 6: as the previous film is that DaCosta or Garland are

1445
01:22:28,645 --> 01:22:31,085
Speaker 6: mishandling all of it, or that they don't know how

1446
01:22:31,085 --> 01:22:32,885
Speaker 6: to find the right balance, I just think and I

1447
01:22:32,925 --> 01:22:35,925
Speaker 6: actually think that would derail lesser filmmakers. I just think

1448
01:22:35,965 --> 01:22:40,844
Speaker 6: it's an existential conundrum of the material. As a stop

1449
01:22:40,885 --> 01:22:44,365
Speaker 6: along this longer journey. It actually just makes me more

1450
01:22:44,405 --> 01:22:47,365
Speaker 6: interested to see what the third film is going to be,

1451
01:22:47,525 --> 01:22:48,565
Speaker 6: quite honestly.

1452
01:22:48,725 --> 01:22:51,125
Speaker 3: Yeah, and something that I think, like if I'm getting

1453
01:22:51,165 --> 01:22:55,885
Speaker 3: galaxy brained, I wonder if the point of well not

1454
01:22:56,005 --> 01:22:59,365
Speaker 3: the point, but if perhaps like a way to read

1455
01:22:59,885 --> 01:23:05,525
Speaker 3: Spike being sidelined, is we met Jimmy at the beginning

1456
01:23:05,845 --> 01:23:10,085
Speaker 3: of twenty eight years later, and then he was sidelined

1457
01:23:10,725 --> 01:23:14,445
Speaker 3: in the years that passed, right, and we got Spike's story,

1458
01:23:14,525 --> 01:23:17,965
Speaker 3: and so now it's almost like the inverse of that,

1459
01:23:18,765 --> 01:23:24,365
Speaker 3: where we're like backfilling in in who Jimmy was. The

1460
01:23:24,405 --> 01:23:27,925
Speaker 3: suggestion I think is that Spike could have turned out

1461
01:23:28,045 --> 01:23:30,725
Speaker 3: a very different way, right, I mean, like the way

1462
01:23:30,845 --> 01:23:33,965
Speaker 3: Jimmy turned out was not that different I think from

1463
01:23:34,085 --> 01:23:37,445
Speaker 3: probably how a lot of people in this world dealt

1464
01:23:37,485 --> 01:23:40,564
Speaker 3: with what happened. So I think it's interesting that pretty

1465
01:23:40,645 --> 01:23:45,965
Speaker 3: much like all of these characters, with the exception I mean,

1466
01:23:46,245 --> 01:23:47,885
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, with the exception of Samson, but

1467
01:23:47,925 --> 01:23:49,885
Speaker 3: maybe Samson is actually like the key to all of

1468
01:23:49,885 --> 01:23:52,445
Speaker 3: this just that all of these characters are really like

1469
01:23:52,845 --> 01:23:58,285
Speaker 3: versions of each other, Like Jamie and Jimmy are very similar.

1470
01:23:58,525 --> 01:24:00,925
Speaker 3: Jimmy as a child was very similar to Spike as

1471
01:24:00,925 --> 01:24:03,805
Speaker 3: a child, Like all of these characters are sort of

1472
01:24:05,165 --> 01:24:09,965
Speaker 3: maybe even interchangeable in a certain way. And then all

1473
01:24:10,045 --> 01:24:13,724
Speaker 3: of them have the same, you know, unfortunate human weakness

1474
01:24:14,365 --> 01:24:17,085
Speaker 3: that would allow them all to be infected. And so

1475
01:24:17,125 --> 01:24:20,884
Speaker 3: Samson also then becomes like, you know, the central part

1476
01:24:21,165 --> 01:24:24,325
Speaker 3: of this like entire circle. And I will say it's

1477
01:24:24,405 --> 01:24:28,325
Speaker 3: really interesting to your point, like Spike is sort of

1478
01:24:28,605 --> 01:24:33,965
Speaker 3: just asked with being afraid. I do think that Alfie's

1479
01:24:34,165 --> 01:24:39,325
Speaker 3: standout scene is that opening pool like hazing ritual, Like

1480
01:24:39,445 --> 01:24:42,765
Speaker 3: he does a very good job being scared and confused

1481
01:24:42,805 --> 01:24:45,645
Speaker 3: and again serving as a surrogate to see like what

1482
01:24:45,805 --> 01:24:50,564
Speaker 3: are these what is this cult all about? But all

1483
01:24:50,605 --> 01:24:53,125
Speaker 3: of that is to say that I think that Lewis

1484
01:24:53,205 --> 01:24:56,205
Speaker 3: Perry also you could reduce what he's doing to that

1485
01:24:56,325 --> 01:24:59,445
Speaker 3: sort of like, well, he's just acting high, and I

1486
01:24:59,445 --> 01:25:01,845
Speaker 3: think you would really be missing a lot of like

1487
01:25:02,645 --> 01:25:08,205
Speaker 3: the really internal, excellent work he's doing with a character

1488
01:25:08,285 --> 01:25:14,205
Speaker 3: who has three lines of dialogue, four lines of dialogue.

1489
01:25:14,565 --> 01:25:17,765
Speaker 6: Yes, total, I think I'm really glad you said that,

1490
01:25:17,805 --> 01:25:21,445
Speaker 6: because I do think it's a very nuanced perform and

1491
01:25:21,445 --> 01:25:23,805
Speaker 6: I suppose we also, I don't know if we should

1492
01:25:23,845 --> 01:25:29,365
Speaker 6: be congratulating or praising the the special effects workers on

1493
01:25:29,405 --> 01:25:32,485
Speaker 6: the film or the makeup people, but for the subtle

1494
01:25:32,565 --> 01:25:36,725
Speaker 6: changes in the red eyes changing to brown, because it's

1495
01:25:36,725 --> 01:25:40,165
Speaker 6: not dramatic, but yeah, you can just slightly notice those

1496
01:25:40,445 --> 01:25:45,684
Speaker 6: those subtle changes in his his physicality in in in

1497
01:25:46,045 --> 01:25:49,285
Speaker 6: not not just his his actual physical demeanor, but in

1498
01:25:49,365 --> 01:25:54,764
Speaker 6: some of those augmentations to his body that reflect more.

1499
01:25:54,685 --> 01:25:56,365
Speaker 2: Humanity coming through.

1500
01:25:57,405 --> 01:26:00,085
Speaker 6: Those are really interesting and they're there, and and those

1501
01:26:00,165 --> 01:26:03,205
Speaker 6: those nuances add to the nuances in his performance, but

1502
01:26:03,285 --> 01:26:05,805
Speaker 6: they're there in that performance. And you're right, it's large,

1503
01:26:05,845 --> 01:26:09,525
Speaker 6: it's it really is primarily a wordless performance. So I

1504
01:26:09,525 --> 01:26:11,764
Speaker 6: think it's a crucial, a crucial part of the film.

1505
01:26:12,005 --> 01:26:16,685
Speaker 6: Something near the end that that I thought was I

1506
01:26:16,725 --> 01:26:22,285
Speaker 6: do think was a screenwriting issue, and it's it's significant,

1507
01:26:22,925 --> 01:26:27,365
Speaker 6: And because it's near the end, it would definitely qualify

1508
01:26:27,365 --> 01:26:29,445
Speaker 6: as a spoiler. But I don't want to spoil the

1509
01:26:29,445 --> 01:26:32,125
Speaker 6: movie for anyone who hasn't seen it, who's listening and

1510
01:26:32,205 --> 01:26:35,485
Speaker 6: I also don't think it's a long enough conversation or

1511
01:26:35,485 --> 01:26:37,684
Speaker 6: we need to go into enough detail that it requires

1512
01:26:37,725 --> 01:26:40,725
Speaker 6: a separate spoiler discussion. So I'm going to I'm going

1513
01:26:40,765 --> 01:26:44,045
Speaker 6: to try to raise it without spoiling anything, okay, and

1514
01:26:44,565 --> 01:26:46,845
Speaker 6: try to get your thoughts and see if we can

1515
01:26:46,885 --> 01:26:50,485
Speaker 6: have the conversation vague enough without ruining for anyone.

1516
01:26:50,765 --> 01:26:52,724
Speaker 2: And I'll frame it this way.

1517
01:26:53,245 --> 01:26:53,485
Speaker 1: In the.

1518
01:26:55,805 --> 01:26:59,325
Speaker 6: Showdown at the end the finale we get at the

1519
01:26:59,445 --> 01:27:04,765
Speaker 6: end there there was a thought I had where that

1520
01:27:04,885 --> 01:27:11,125
Speaker 6: involves doctor Kelson Ray finds character where we're supposed to

1521
01:27:11,205 --> 01:27:15,885
Speaker 6: believe his viewers that he acts in a way out

1522
01:27:15,885 --> 01:27:19,845
Speaker 6: of a feeling of a threat because there's a certain

1523
01:27:19,885 --> 01:27:24,365
Speaker 6: amount of leverage that another character is using against him. Okay,

1524
01:27:25,365 --> 01:27:29,724
Speaker 6: And the only problem with that for me, especially because

1525
01:27:29,765 --> 01:27:32,805
Speaker 6: of some events that transpire right before that, which I

1526
01:27:32,805 --> 01:27:34,925
Speaker 6: think we can go ahead and spoil. This isn't a spoiler.

1527
01:27:34,965 --> 01:27:36,564
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go ahead and say it. We do on

1528
01:27:36,645 --> 01:27:38,485
Speaker 6: our the show we just did last week here on

1529
01:27:38,565 --> 01:27:40,885
Speaker 6: film Spotting our best scenes of the Year. We have

1530
01:27:40,925 --> 01:27:43,525
Speaker 6: a category that's our music Moments of the Year. I

1531
01:27:43,565 --> 01:27:47,525
Speaker 6: already have an early contender, especially as someone who around

1532
01:27:47,525 --> 01:27:51,805
Speaker 6: the age of fourteen went through a brief but memorable

1533
01:27:52,405 --> 01:27:54,565
Speaker 6: at least for me, not for the people around me.

1534
01:27:54,685 --> 01:27:58,085
Speaker 6: Iron Maiden phase. Hell, you can bet you can bet

1535
01:27:58,125 --> 01:28:01,485
Speaker 6: that the number of the beast, the sequence involving the

1536
01:28:01,485 --> 01:28:04,805
Speaker 6: theater guy Ray Fines putting on a show to that

1537
01:28:04,925 --> 01:28:07,805
Speaker 6: Iron Maiden song that that is going to that is

1538
01:28:07,805 --> 01:28:09,845
Speaker 6: going to make my list. That is an a that

1539
01:28:09,965 --> 01:28:14,765
Speaker 6: is quite the theatrical production within this cinematic production, right

1540
01:28:15,325 --> 01:28:18,725
Speaker 6: to this song. So we're supposed to believe that that

1541
01:28:18,885 --> 01:28:21,205
Speaker 6: he is he is putting on this entire show and

1542
01:28:21,285 --> 01:28:24,045
Speaker 6: acting a certain way out of a feeling of a threat.

1543
01:28:24,725 --> 01:28:29,485
Speaker 6: And at that point, my feeling as a viewer is well,

1544
01:28:29,525 --> 01:28:31,205
Speaker 6: if he had just if he had just put all

1545
01:28:31,205 --> 01:28:35,845
Speaker 6: that energy into putting out the threat, which I think

1546
01:28:35,885 --> 01:28:39,885
Speaker 6: he's entirely that he's entirely capable of, we wouldn't need

1547
01:28:39,925 --> 01:28:41,285
Speaker 6: any of this happening at all.

1548
01:28:42,125 --> 01:28:44,245
Speaker 2: That was my reaction is that? Is that not a

1549
01:28:44,245 --> 01:28:44,885
Speaker 2: fair reaction?

1550
01:28:45,485 --> 01:28:49,604
Speaker 3: I just think that goes entirely against who the second

1551
01:28:49,685 --> 01:28:51,965
Speaker 3: movie has shown Kelson to be.

1552
01:28:52,365 --> 01:28:54,644
Speaker 2: That that is valid, That is valid.

1553
01:28:54,765 --> 01:28:59,485
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I think I think the person who has

1554
01:29:00,165 --> 01:29:05,885
Speaker 3: the leverage would respond absolutely in the way you suggested,

1555
01:29:06,605 --> 01:29:12,885
Speaker 3: but I think that if you're tracing Kelson's actions throughout

1556
01:29:12,925 --> 01:29:18,085
Speaker 3: the two films, I don't think he ever harms anyone

1557
01:29:18,565 --> 01:29:25,045
Speaker 3: who isn't infected. And I also don't think i'd really

1558
01:29:25,045 --> 01:29:28,125
Speaker 3: have to go back and like watch, But do you

1559
01:29:28,205 --> 01:29:31,365
Speaker 3: think that he kills and infected at any point.

1560
01:29:31,565 --> 01:29:34,165
Speaker 6: It's a really good question that you're bringing it up.

1561
01:29:34,165 --> 01:29:37,365
Speaker 6: It makes me think that the answer, the answer almost

1562
01:29:37,365 --> 01:29:40,805
Speaker 6: certainly has to be that he is not willing, that

1563
01:29:40,885 --> 01:29:43,365
Speaker 6: he is not willing, even under the threat of his life,

1564
01:29:43,845 --> 01:29:46,485
Speaker 6: to take someone else's life, and he's not willing to

1565
01:29:46,525 --> 01:29:49,005
Speaker 6: do it based on what we see in this film

1566
01:29:49,165 --> 01:29:52,005
Speaker 6: and in the previous film, he's not willing to do

1567
01:29:52,085 --> 01:29:57,525
Speaker 6: it without consent, and so that that is crucial. I

1568
01:29:57,565 --> 01:30:00,564
Speaker 6: suppose if I really wanted to try to stick to

1569
01:30:00,605 --> 01:30:03,325
Speaker 6: my guns and be stubborn, and I'm not going to,

1570
01:30:03,405 --> 01:30:06,365
Speaker 6: but if I wanted to, if I wanted to, I

1571
01:30:06,365 --> 01:30:10,525
Speaker 6: would say, this is still the guy who has managed

1572
01:30:10,565 --> 01:30:13,125
Speaker 6: to survive and even in this film, has managed to

1573
01:30:13,125 --> 01:30:16,684
Speaker 6: survive this long against much bigger threats than the threat

1574
01:30:16,765 --> 01:30:20,644
Speaker 6: we're talking about, and he's found ways to survive right

1575
01:30:20,725 --> 01:30:24,485
Speaker 6: and and to put out those threats without killing anyone else.

1576
01:30:24,565 --> 01:30:27,205
Speaker 3: And I think this goes back to your point just

1577
01:30:27,445 --> 01:30:31,045
Speaker 3: generally about some of the struggles with a twenty eight

1578
01:30:31,125 --> 01:30:35,445
Speaker 3: years later sequel, because I think we're seeing we're seeing

1579
01:30:35,525 --> 01:30:41,205
Speaker 3: people within the franchise do something for the first time,

1580
01:30:41,645 --> 01:30:44,085
Speaker 3: and it's difficult for us to know if this is

1581
01:30:44,125 --> 01:30:46,965
Speaker 3: the first time it's ever happened or the first time

1582
01:30:46,965 --> 01:30:50,245
Speaker 3: we've ever seen it happen. Because I agree with you, like,

1583
01:30:50,365 --> 01:30:55,885
Speaker 3: in twenty eight years, has Kelson never been found by

1584
01:30:56,045 --> 01:30:57,805
Speaker 3: like a rating party.

1585
01:30:57,525 --> 01:30:58,445
Speaker 2: Of evil people?

1586
01:30:58,565 --> 01:31:01,925
Speaker 3: Like the suggestion is that there have been evil raiders

1587
01:31:01,965 --> 01:31:04,525
Speaker 3: like for the entirety of this time, Like I've watched

1588
01:31:04,605 --> 01:31:07,045
Speaker 3: enough Walking Dead to know they occur immediately.

1589
01:31:07,685 --> 01:31:11,125
Speaker 6: Yes, and again he's being pretty conspicuous.

1590
01:31:11,205 --> 01:31:14,765
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah. So I feel like my you know,

1591
01:31:15,325 --> 01:31:18,205
Speaker 3: I'm giving probably Alex Garland the ben for the doubt

1592
01:31:18,285 --> 01:31:21,485
Speaker 3: by being like, well, we haven't seen Kelson do this. Yeah,

1593
01:31:21,525 --> 01:31:24,245
Speaker 3: But I think you're raising a good point that goes

1594
01:31:24,285 --> 01:31:28,645
Speaker 3: back to how far have these characters traveled? How what

1595
01:31:28,805 --> 01:31:31,925
Speaker 3: are some of the other things that occurred in the

1596
01:31:32,005 --> 01:31:37,005
Speaker 3: thirty years on the mainland that we have no idea about?

1597
01:31:37,285 --> 01:31:41,085
Speaker 3: And the implication is that like all of the Jimmys

1598
01:31:41,645 --> 01:31:44,925
Speaker 3: stay with Sir Jimmy because the rest of the world

1599
01:31:45,005 --> 01:31:48,245
Speaker 3: is so terrible, and so I think that's also again

1600
01:31:48,405 --> 01:31:50,885
Speaker 3: sort of like a I'd love to see who those

1601
01:31:50,925 --> 01:31:55,885
Speaker 3: other really terrible people are yes to amaze understand how

1602
01:31:55,965 --> 01:31:58,005
Speaker 3: Kelson has survived all this time.

1603
01:31:58,685 --> 01:32:01,325
Speaker 6: Well, if you, if you were certainly looking to this

1604
01:32:01,445 --> 01:32:04,844
Speaker 6: film or any films these days, are art in general

1605
01:32:04,925 --> 01:32:08,285
Speaker 6: to be speaking to our times. This is another movie

1606
01:32:08,325 --> 01:32:12,485
Speaker 6: that could speak to that. We're talking of course about

1607
01:32:13,125 --> 01:32:16,805
Speaker 6: humanity more broadly and how we treat each other, but

1608
01:32:16,885 --> 01:32:21,325
Speaker 6: also what is revealed ultimately, not that we not that

1609
01:32:21,365 --> 01:32:23,604
Speaker 6: we couldn't read into this, I think very early on

1610
01:32:23,685 --> 01:32:26,205
Speaker 6: about what we know or what we think we know

1611
01:32:26,365 --> 01:32:31,564
Speaker 6: about who Jimmy is, But what what is ultimately revealed

1612
01:32:31,645 --> 01:32:34,325
Speaker 6: is what we know about people like him throughout history

1613
01:32:34,365 --> 01:32:37,085
Speaker 6: and what they've always been like, right, and what what

1614
01:32:37,285 --> 01:32:43,485
Speaker 6: people like his followers ultimately, what they need from leaders

1615
01:32:44,005 --> 01:32:47,485
Speaker 6: like that, what lost souls like that are looking for

1616
01:32:48,005 --> 01:32:52,644
Speaker 6: matters of truth and whether or not facts really matter

1617
01:32:53,605 --> 01:32:57,725
Speaker 6: or not right so much as as as how how

1618
01:32:57,765 --> 01:33:01,925
Speaker 6: they feel about what whatever they need from that person.

1619
01:33:03,125 --> 01:33:06,085
Speaker 6: That maybe I was actually going to say that Trump's

1620
01:33:06,645 --> 01:33:11,165
Speaker 6: the facts you know, no pun intended there there there are,

1621
01:33:11,365 --> 01:33:14,804
Speaker 6: there are quite quite a few of those those moments

1622
01:33:14,805 --> 01:33:18,965
Speaker 6: where you can have those those those connections. But I

1623
01:33:19,045 --> 01:33:23,245
Speaker 6: wanted to to say something else more about performance, actually,

1624
01:33:23,285 --> 01:33:25,564
Speaker 6: which is I've already mentioned her name a few a

1625
01:33:25,565 --> 01:33:29,245
Speaker 6: few times, Aaron Kellyman. Something that struck me about her

1626
01:33:29,245 --> 01:33:35,325
Speaker 6: performance was she is like what she reminded me of

1627
01:33:35,565 --> 01:33:39,925
Speaker 6: in her moments where she as one of those devout followers.

1628
01:33:41,445 --> 01:33:45,205
Speaker 6: Something about that look on her face. And what's so

1629
01:33:45,285 --> 01:33:49,365
Speaker 6: amazing about her character, as she's written, is that we

1630
01:33:49,885 --> 01:33:53,564
Speaker 6: see in her someone who is such a true believer.

1631
01:33:54,205 --> 01:33:57,845
Speaker 6: She might she might have an even higher calling than Jimmy. Right,

1632
01:33:57,885 --> 01:34:01,645
Speaker 6: I'll just leave it at that. And so she's the

1633
01:34:01,765 --> 01:34:05,805
Speaker 6: look she has is is familiar to me in the

1634
01:34:05,845 --> 01:34:08,645
Speaker 6: look you would see when you look at pictures or

1635
01:34:08,685 --> 01:34:13,165
Speaker 6: you look at old footage of one of Charlie Manson's followers.

1636
01:34:13,445 --> 01:34:14,965
Speaker 2: Oh, that's what she looks like.

1637
01:34:15,565 --> 01:34:18,684
Speaker 6: And that's she has that same she has that same

1638
01:34:19,045 --> 01:34:23,285
Speaker 6: look of dogged devotion.

1639
01:34:23,885 --> 01:34:24,085
Speaker 2: Right.

1640
01:34:24,445 --> 01:34:27,285
Speaker 6: But but then you realize that, oh, this is like

1641
01:34:27,325 --> 01:34:31,965
Speaker 6: one of Charlie Manson's girls. If she turned on Charlie,

1642
01:34:32,525 --> 01:34:36,365
Speaker 6: you know, which is then this added layer of complexity

1643
01:34:36,765 --> 01:34:38,765
Speaker 6: to it, which is something that just really struck me

1644
01:34:38,845 --> 01:34:41,765
Speaker 6: about about her character. So, you know, there may be

1645
01:34:41,765 --> 01:34:43,925
Speaker 6: a lot of places you want to take this, but

1646
01:34:43,965 --> 01:34:45,525
Speaker 6: one thing I did want to ask you for sure

1647
01:34:45,685 --> 01:34:48,724
Speaker 6: was based on your tweet. You said something about your

1648
01:34:49,045 --> 01:34:52,805
Speaker 6: your audience laughing at all the wrong moments, which is

1649
01:34:52,805 --> 01:34:59,125
Speaker 6: something that happens often. We always sometimes we're watching a

1650
01:34:59,165 --> 01:35:03,165
Speaker 6: movie and for whatever reason, we notice our audience seems

1651
01:35:03,205 --> 01:35:05,845
Speaker 6: to be reacting to things that is that are at

1652
01:35:05,885 --> 01:35:09,125
Speaker 6: odds with how we're feeling about a movie. What was

1653
01:35:09,165 --> 01:35:12,125
Speaker 6: the what was the reaction? What was the disparity there?

1654
01:35:12,165 --> 01:35:13,885
Speaker 6: For you, Roxander, there.

1655
01:35:13,765 --> 01:35:18,285
Speaker 3: Were definitely some moments where they were laughing at the

1656
01:35:18,405 --> 01:35:24,045
Speaker 3: Samson Kelson stuff, but like the emotional Samson Kelson stuff.

1657
01:35:24,645 --> 01:35:30,605
Speaker 3: Someone laughed at the like staring up into the sky sequence,

1658
01:35:31,085 --> 01:35:33,005
Speaker 3: and I was like, I cry.

1659
01:35:33,365 --> 01:35:36,165
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is legitimately emotional.

1660
01:35:36,645 --> 01:35:39,604
Speaker 3: Yes, But then I think I laughed more at Jimmy

1661
01:35:39,685 --> 01:35:43,925
Speaker 3: than anybody else, So maybe I also was the problem.

1662
01:35:45,365 --> 01:35:45,725
Speaker 1: What is it?

1663
01:35:45,925 --> 01:35:46,765
Speaker 2: And I'm with you?

1664
01:35:46,845 --> 01:35:49,805
Speaker 6: So what does that say about us that we find Jimmy.

1665
01:35:50,405 --> 01:35:54,005
Speaker 3: Were the perfect audience. I do think that what is

1666
01:35:54,085 --> 01:35:56,445
Speaker 3: really interesting about what you said is before you said

1667
01:35:57,125 --> 01:36:00,205
Speaker 3: one of the Mansons, And we even get that with

1668
01:36:00,285 --> 01:36:02,245
Speaker 3: like the production design, right, like there are a lot

1669
01:36:02,245 --> 01:36:04,245
Speaker 3: of upside down crosses.

1670
01:36:04,205 --> 01:36:05,564
Speaker 2: And a forehead the scar.

1671
01:36:05,725 --> 01:36:08,125
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Jimmy's have them carved into their foreheads, like,

1672
01:36:08,205 --> 01:36:10,285
Speaker 3: so there is you know, it's fun to think of

1673
01:36:10,325 --> 01:36:14,885
Speaker 3: these this group like raiding malls to find their accessories.

1674
01:36:15,605 --> 01:36:20,205
Speaker 3: But before you said a Manson follower, I thought that

1675
01:36:20,285 --> 01:36:26,205
Speaker 3: she reminds me of like Wendy in Peter Pan and

1676
01:36:26,685 --> 01:36:30,125
Speaker 3: like this character who was sort of tasked surrounded by

1677
01:36:30,205 --> 01:36:34,485
Speaker 3: lost boys, maybe a little bit more self aware or

1678
01:36:34,605 --> 01:36:39,564
Speaker 3: mature or curious about the world, and Jimmy like her

1679
01:36:39,845 --> 01:36:43,405
Speaker 3: Peter Pan, And I thought that was also sort of fascinating,

1680
01:36:43,445 --> 01:36:47,285
Speaker 3: this suggestion of like all of these you know, Jimmy,

1681
01:36:47,565 --> 01:36:51,245
Speaker 3: I think we're meant to believe is what like mid thirties, right,

1682
01:36:51,405 --> 01:36:56,005
Speaker 3: he was like eight or ten when this happened, and

1683
01:36:56,085 --> 01:36:59,604
Speaker 3: the followers are all teenagers. And for anyone who sort

1684
01:36:59,605 --> 01:37:05,565
Speaker 3: of knows the origin of what Jimmy Crystal is referencing

1685
01:37:06,205 --> 01:37:11,405
Speaker 3: the British media personality who, after his death was revealed

1686
01:37:11,605 --> 01:37:15,725
Speaker 3: to be a pedophile. So I think, you know, I'm

1687
01:37:15,765 --> 01:37:19,724
Speaker 3: not necessarily suggesting that that is what Jimmy is doing

1688
01:37:19,765 --> 01:37:22,245
Speaker 3: with the Jimmy is. There's no suggestion of that in

1689
01:37:22,325 --> 01:37:25,525
Speaker 3: the film, but I think to your point, it is

1690
01:37:26,045 --> 01:37:30,405
Speaker 3: a very interesting portrait of like a cult of personality

1691
01:37:31,165 --> 01:37:35,805
Speaker 3: being led by a figure who is open about his

1692
01:37:35,845 --> 01:37:39,325
Speaker 3: own doubt. And I thought that was really interesting. And

1693
01:37:39,405 --> 01:37:41,965
Speaker 3: I think it's also interesting that the film makes very

1694
01:37:42,165 --> 01:37:46,205
Speaker 3: clear that there are some Jimmys who are probably like

1695
01:37:46,445 --> 01:37:50,165
Speaker 3: you know, sociopaths because of their circumstances or whatever, yet

1696
01:37:50,165 --> 01:37:52,005
Speaker 3: a lot of them also are just operating out of

1697
01:37:52,005 --> 01:37:55,325
Speaker 3: fear and the fact that there are no other paths

1698
01:37:55,405 --> 01:37:59,604
Speaker 3: forward in this world. And that felt very timely to

1699
01:37:59,725 --> 01:38:05,764
Speaker 3: me as well. Yes, you know, what can fear, rightly

1700
01:38:06,085 --> 01:38:10,085
Speaker 3: or wrongly motivated drive you to do? And I think

1701
01:38:10,085 --> 01:38:13,845
Speaker 3: the movie is like very insistent on that question as.

1702
01:38:13,685 --> 01:38:17,604
Speaker 6: Well, very well said and very smart to point out

1703
01:38:17,605 --> 01:38:22,724
Speaker 6: that even the villain here, the the evil, truly evil

1704
01:38:22,845 --> 01:38:27,325
Speaker 6: villain here, is human and that humanity comes through. And

1705
01:38:27,925 --> 01:38:30,885
Speaker 6: I'm really glad that you said that. It seems that he,

1706
01:38:31,005 --> 01:38:34,525
Speaker 6: like everyone else, is largely driven by fear, and those

1707
01:38:34,525 --> 01:38:37,525
Speaker 6: moments of humanity do come through, and they're the most

1708
01:38:37,565 --> 01:38:43,604
Speaker 6: striking moments for O'Connell in the film, because he even

1709
01:38:43,685 --> 01:38:46,125
Speaker 6: his best line in the film is a moment when

1710
01:38:46,165 --> 01:38:49,765
Speaker 6: he's talking to Kelson and he says to him something like,

1711
01:38:50,925 --> 01:38:54,045
Speaker 6: I'm enjoying talking to you. You're really easy to talk to,

1712
01:38:55,085 --> 01:38:57,525
Speaker 6: and you're really easy to talk to, and I don't

1713
01:38:57,645 --> 01:39:00,365
Speaker 6: like anybody, you know. But he doesn't say it. He

1714
01:39:00,405 --> 01:39:01,885
Speaker 6: doesn't say it kind of the way I said it.

1715
01:39:01,925 --> 01:39:04,085
Speaker 6: He delivers the line much better, but he says it

1716
01:39:04,165 --> 01:39:08,085
Speaker 6: in a way that that seems so genuine, like it

1717
01:39:08,405 --> 01:39:10,644
Speaker 6: really is something that is just occurring to him, that

1718
01:39:10,645 --> 01:39:14,245
Speaker 6: that if we lived in another world, if we lived

1719
01:39:14,245 --> 01:39:16,965
Speaker 6: in another world, we could be mates, and I could

1720
01:39:16,965 --> 01:39:18,525
Speaker 6: actually just be Yeah.

1721
01:39:18,605 --> 01:39:22,445
Speaker 3: I could the lovely chat between two guys.

1722
01:39:22,685 --> 01:39:23,285
Speaker 2: That's it now.

1723
01:39:23,325 --> 01:39:27,085
Speaker 6: Then he I think he then follows that with something

1724
01:39:27,445 --> 01:39:31,125
Speaker 6: that is completely horrifying. But I think, I think to

1725
01:39:31,165 --> 01:39:33,165
Speaker 6: both of our points here. What I really like about

1726
01:39:33,205 --> 01:39:37,245
Speaker 6: the O'Connell performance is that it's the kind of line

1727
01:39:37,365 --> 01:39:40,045
Speaker 6: that is really menacing, and a lot I think a

1728
01:39:40,085 --> 01:39:43,485
Speaker 6: lot of performers would have said in a way, even

1729
01:39:43,525 --> 01:39:46,445
Speaker 6: though it's supposed to be sort of sweetly menacing, I

1730
01:39:46,485 --> 01:39:48,485
Speaker 6: think they would have really leaned into it. I think

1731
01:39:48,525 --> 01:39:53,165
Speaker 6: they would have loved, loved to layer on the sweetness

1732
01:39:53,325 --> 01:39:56,245
Speaker 6: or layer on the menace to it, and and and

1733
01:39:56,285 --> 01:39:59,604
Speaker 6: he doesn't. He doesn't like he says, it's so matter

1734
01:39:59,645 --> 01:40:02,685
Speaker 6: of factly, you know. And and I think there is

1735
01:40:02,725 --> 01:40:06,045
Speaker 6: something to note about O'Connell being able to do that,

1736
01:40:06,645 --> 01:40:10,045
Speaker 6: for a for an evil villain to say a line

1737
01:40:10,125 --> 01:40:13,604
Speaker 6: like that, but without that that extra kind of relish

1738
01:40:14,005 --> 01:40:15,525
Speaker 6: makes it actually even scarier.

1739
01:40:16,085 --> 01:40:19,765
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah, He's very resigned in the whole thing

1740
01:40:19,805 --> 01:40:22,965
Speaker 3: in a way that I think is really interesting. Like

1741
01:40:23,045 --> 01:40:26,205
Speaker 3: we start out with him sitting in a lifeguard chair

1742
01:40:26,925 --> 01:40:30,365
Speaker 3: like it's a throne, and then more and more it's

1743
01:40:30,445 --> 01:40:35,365
Speaker 3: like he's brought lower and lower until he is within

1744
01:40:35,485 --> 01:40:38,325
Speaker 3: the realm of the Jimmy's who he's supposed to alred over.

1745
01:40:38,885 --> 01:40:42,325
Speaker 3: He meets Kelson, and it's very clear that as much

1746
01:40:42,365 --> 01:40:44,845
Speaker 3: as he enjoys Kelson, there's also, of course, like a

1747
01:40:44,925 --> 01:40:50,285
Speaker 3: level of intimidation, I think, because Kelson can remember at

1748
01:40:50,365 --> 01:40:53,804
Speaker 3: least some of what the world was, and Jimmy can't

1749
01:40:53,885 --> 01:40:57,525
Speaker 3: do that, so I can, like I think the trilogy

1750
01:40:57,765 --> 01:41:00,005
Speaker 3: and I say this because I hope a that there

1751
01:41:00,045 --> 01:41:01,644
Speaker 3: will be a third film and B that this will

1752
01:41:01,685 --> 01:41:03,845
Speaker 3: be present in the third film as well. Is there

1753
01:41:03,885 --> 01:41:09,365
Speaker 3: is a real like generational divide sensed between all of

1754
01:41:09,365 --> 01:41:13,165
Speaker 3: the various characters. Yeah, but I haven't found like any

1755
01:41:13,205 --> 01:41:16,365
Speaker 3: of the moments in the movie where those two generations

1756
01:41:16,365 --> 01:41:19,285
Speaker 3: are three generations speak to each other to feel like

1757
01:41:19,445 --> 01:41:23,125
Speaker 3: hokey or contrived. I think all of those conversations are

1758
01:41:23,205 --> 01:41:28,845
Speaker 3: crafted very compellingly, so that each party is trying to

1759
01:41:28,925 --> 01:41:32,365
Speaker 3: understand where the other is coming from and trying to

1760
01:41:32,405 --> 01:41:38,085
Speaker 3: get through their own confusion or ignorance. Yeah, I will

1761
01:41:38,405 --> 01:41:42,125
Speaker 3: deviate slightly by asking you how did you feel like

1762
01:41:42,325 --> 01:41:46,604
Speaker 3: O'Connell's performance here compared with his performance and Sinners, Because

1763
01:41:46,605 --> 01:41:49,125
Speaker 3: I'm seeing a lot of people online who might not

1764
01:41:49,205 --> 01:41:51,685
Speaker 3: have known him otherwise like losing their mind about that.

1765
01:41:52,365 --> 01:41:56,845
Speaker 6: Really, I'd be curious, I guess what they're connecting or

1766
01:41:57,405 --> 01:41:59,765
Speaker 6: what is striking them about it. It certainly occurred to

1767
01:41:59,805 --> 01:42:03,965
Speaker 6: me that here we are watching Jack O'Connell and what

1768
01:42:04,245 --> 01:42:07,564
Speaker 6: probably does seem like two fairly similar roles, right, leading

1769
01:42:08,165 --> 01:42:11,725
Speaker 6: leading these gangs here, having these followers, and being such

1770
01:42:12,325 --> 01:42:15,125
Speaker 6: such a menacing character I'll go back to that word,

1771
01:42:15,165 --> 01:42:19,245
Speaker 6: but also having to at least somewhat on the surface

1772
01:42:20,165 --> 01:42:25,765
Speaker 6: be gen right. Yeah, Yet, I'll have to give it,

1773
01:42:25,925 --> 01:42:27,604
Speaker 6: I'll have to give it more thought to come up

1774
01:42:27,605 --> 01:42:31,005
Speaker 6: with a good way to describe the to describe the distinction,

1775
01:42:31,485 --> 01:42:34,165
Speaker 6: I can only say for now, Roxanna, that I did

1776
01:42:34,165 --> 01:42:38,125
Speaker 6: not feel like I was watching Jack O'Connell go through

1777
01:42:38,165 --> 01:42:41,965
Speaker 6: the motions or replay, replay the hits like this is

1778
01:42:42,205 --> 01:42:44,965
Speaker 6: Jimmy Crystal is a distinct these are those are two

1779
01:42:45,005 --> 01:42:51,285
Speaker 6: distinct characters, and and so for me, I certainly didn't.

1780
01:42:51,765 --> 01:42:55,564
Speaker 6: It didn't detract in any way that he played a

1781
01:42:55,645 --> 01:42:58,764
Speaker 6: character who in some ways checks some of the same boxes.

1782
01:42:58,765 --> 01:43:00,285
Speaker 6: I don't know, how did you feel about it, or

1783
01:43:00,325 --> 01:43:02,604
Speaker 6: what's the if there's a complaint, what is the complaint?

1784
01:43:02,605 --> 01:43:04,724
Speaker 3: I suppose there is not a complaint. I was trying

1785
01:43:04,765 --> 01:43:08,765
Speaker 3: to strong arm this podcast into being a pro Jack

1786
01:43:08,765 --> 01:43:11,804
Speaker 3: O'Connell all the time propaganda machine.

1787
01:43:12,005 --> 01:43:14,165
Speaker 2: No I'm in. I mean, wasn't.

1788
01:43:14,325 --> 01:43:18,125
Speaker 6: Wasn't jack O'Connell. Wasn't the first film. Wasn't his breakout role.

1789
01:43:18,805 --> 01:43:20,285
Speaker 6: And I don't know if it was first or not,

1790
01:43:20,365 --> 01:43:24,005
Speaker 6: but his breakout was startup was that the film. Josh

1791
01:43:24,085 --> 01:43:26,485
Speaker 6: and I on this show reviewed that movie and said,

1792
01:43:26,925 --> 01:43:29,485
Speaker 6: this guy's going to be something this guy's.

1793
01:43:29,245 --> 01:43:30,005
Speaker 3: A start movie.

1794
01:43:30,045 --> 01:43:31,005
Speaker 7: So we've been great.

1795
01:43:31,165 --> 01:43:33,525
Speaker 6: We've been on the Jack O'Connell train since day one,

1796
01:43:33,845 --> 01:43:38,165
Speaker 6: and so yeah, we're we're all jack O'Connell all the time.

1797
01:43:38,165 --> 01:43:40,165
Speaker 6: And I mean he's he's proving us right with these

1798
01:43:40,205 --> 01:43:42,005
Speaker 6: performances without a doubt.

1799
01:43:42,205 --> 01:43:45,564
Speaker 3: So yeah, I did not find there to be any

1800
01:43:45,645 --> 01:43:52,405
Speaker 3: sort of overlap past the wonderful scream that he has

1801
01:43:52,445 --> 01:43:57,125
Speaker 3: in this movie and when he again very threateningly in Sinners,

1802
01:43:57,725 --> 01:44:00,405
Speaker 3: really puts the stank on Sammy.

1803
01:44:01,365 --> 01:44:01,604
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1804
01:44:01,885 --> 01:44:05,965
Speaker 3: Yeah, But otherwise I feel like this was an appropriate

1805
01:44:06,085 --> 01:44:09,765
Speaker 3: villain for this film and like what this film was

1806
01:44:09,845 --> 01:44:13,005
Speaker 3: concerned with about who we are. Yeah, that he really

1807
01:44:13,045 --> 01:44:14,445
Speaker 3: met the material where it was.

1808
01:44:14,805 --> 01:44:15,085
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1809
01:44:15,245 --> 01:44:17,445
Speaker 6: Well here's here's the biggest thing. I mean, now that

1810
01:44:18,325 --> 01:44:19,965
Speaker 6: now that I've had a little bit more time as

1811
01:44:19,965 --> 01:44:22,365
Speaker 6: we're talking about I mean thinking, and you you already

1812
01:44:22,445 --> 01:44:24,885
Speaker 6: touched on it earlier, I think the biggest difference is

1813
01:44:25,565 --> 01:44:31,604
Speaker 6: that that other character from Sinners, the wisdom, the age,

1814
01:44:31,805 --> 01:44:36,884
Speaker 6: the maturity comes through that character knows everything. Yeah, that

1815
01:44:36,885 --> 01:44:41,045
Speaker 6: that and that that is imbued in every word that

1816
01:44:41,085 --> 01:44:44,005
Speaker 6: comes out of that character's mouth. Right, that character knows

1817
01:44:44,365 --> 01:44:47,005
Speaker 6: every move every other character in that in that movie

1818
01:44:47,125 --> 01:44:50,045
Speaker 6: is gonna make right before they make it, and and

1819
01:44:50,205 --> 01:44:54,325
Speaker 6: feels like he's in control all the time. And Jimmy,

1820
01:44:54,485 --> 01:44:59,045
Speaker 6: even as this seemingly evil character and as the gang leader,

1821
01:44:59,285 --> 01:45:03,205
Speaker 6: he never quite feels totally in control. Right, Yeah, there's

1822
01:45:03,245 --> 01:45:07,604
Speaker 6: a lot of chaos happening all the time. And he

1823
01:45:07,605 --> 01:45:11,884
Speaker 6: he lets you in and you see the facade breaking,

1824
01:45:12,245 --> 01:45:14,285
Speaker 6: Like you see that he's actually kind of still that

1825
01:45:14,365 --> 01:45:17,325
Speaker 6: scared boy. Right, you see the fear. I think you

1826
01:45:17,365 --> 01:45:20,085
Speaker 6: said that, and you you you recognize that in him,

1827
01:45:20,125 --> 01:45:22,205
Speaker 6: you see the humanity, you don't see any of the

1828
01:45:22,285 --> 01:45:25,805
Speaker 6: humanity in the character he's playing in centers that you

1829
01:45:26,325 --> 01:45:30,165
Speaker 6: know that that is pure performance by that character, right,

1830
01:45:30,365 --> 01:45:33,885
Speaker 6: And here it doesn't feel like performance.

1831
01:45:33,525 --> 01:45:36,205
Speaker 3: To be a I completely agree, And I guess this

1832
01:45:36,285 --> 01:45:39,005
Speaker 3: is where I need to maybe like eat my own words,

1833
01:45:39,045 --> 01:45:42,485
Speaker 3: which is to say, as much as I'm like, I

1834
01:45:42,525 --> 01:45:47,205
Speaker 3: really missed how Danny Boyle and his cinematographer made me

1835
01:45:47,245 --> 01:45:49,245
Speaker 3: feel like I was gonna throw up during.

1836
01:45:49,005 --> 01:45:51,005
Speaker 7: Some of these sequences because of how.

1837
01:45:50,925 --> 01:45:54,685
Speaker 3: Jarring and almost unnatural they were. Like I think a

1838
01:45:54,765 --> 01:45:58,684
Speaker 3: Dacosta's approach is really just to like put her camera

1839
01:45:58,805 --> 01:46:02,645
Speaker 3: on and allow the characters to dig into whatever it

1840
01:46:02,725 --> 01:46:05,005
Speaker 3: is they need to dig into. And I think that

1841
01:46:05,325 --> 01:46:15,485
Speaker 3: unfussiness really does benefit something like the Jimmy Kelson conversation

1842
01:46:15,925 --> 01:46:22,405
Speaker 3: and something like Spike watching what the Jimmy's or hearing

1843
01:46:22,605 --> 01:46:24,485
Speaker 3: rather what the Jimmys are getting up to in this

1844
01:46:24,685 --> 01:46:29,525
Speaker 3: barn attack that is probably the movie's biggest set piece. Look,

1845
01:46:29,565 --> 01:46:32,804
Speaker 3: I actually do think that there is a certain amount

1846
01:46:32,925 --> 01:46:40,285
Speaker 3: of like incredible confidence in letting these frames and scenes

1847
01:46:40,365 --> 01:46:45,285
Speaker 3: and sequences go long and not doing the mixed media

1848
01:46:45,325 --> 01:46:46,765
Speaker 3: thing that Danny Boyle was doing.

1849
01:46:46,765 --> 01:46:49,165
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, I agree on that.

1850
01:46:49,405 --> 01:46:52,564
Speaker 6: Any any closing thoughts or did we we sort of

1851
01:46:52,565 --> 01:46:54,925
Speaker 6: get everything that we needed to get on the table

1852
01:46:54,965 --> 01:46:55,445
Speaker 6: out there?

1853
01:46:55,765 --> 01:46:57,684
Speaker 3: I think we got everything we needed together. The last

1854
01:46:57,685 --> 01:47:01,885
Speaker 3: thing I would say is that I really love the

1855
01:47:02,005 --> 01:47:06,365
Speaker 3: use of the moon, and I'm curious if that sort

1856
01:47:06,405 --> 01:47:13,925
Speaker 3: of imagery, like metaphysical existential sort of thing will come

1857
01:47:14,005 --> 01:47:16,165
Speaker 3: up again in the third one, because I was really

1858
01:47:16,205 --> 01:47:17,885
Speaker 3: surprisingly moved by a lot of that.

1859
01:47:18,445 --> 01:47:20,045
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, good question.

1860
01:47:21,045 --> 01:47:23,845
Speaker 6: Years later, the Bone Temple out in wide release now.

1861
01:47:23,885 --> 01:47:26,604
Speaker 6: If you see it and agree or disagree with our thoughts,

1862
01:47:26,685 --> 01:47:28,485
Speaker 6: we would love to hear from you. You can email

1863
01:47:28,565 --> 01:47:31,005
Speaker 6: us feedback at film Spotting dot Net. I'll even pass

1864
01:47:31,045 --> 01:47:33,684
Speaker 6: along your thoughts to Roxanna, though only if they're interesting

1865
01:47:33,765 --> 01:47:37,045
Speaker 6: and positive. Thank you so much, Roxanna. It was fun

1866
01:47:37,085 --> 01:47:37,965
Speaker 6: as always.

1867
01:47:38,405 --> 01:47:39,365
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

1868
01:47:39,765 --> 01:47:41,005
Speaker 5: How do you do, ladies and gentlemen.

1869
01:47:41,965 --> 01:47:43,045
Speaker 2: This is awestin Wells.

1870
01:47:43,685 --> 01:47:46,965
Speaker 5: I'm speaking for the Mercury Theater and what follows is

1871
01:47:47,005 --> 01:47:50,765
Speaker 5: supposed to advertise our first motion picture. Citizen Kane is

1872
01:47:50,805 --> 01:47:53,644
Speaker 5: the title, and we hope it can correctly be called

1873
01:47:53,685 --> 01:47:57,205
Speaker 5: a coming attraction. It's certainly coming coming to this theater.

1874
01:47:57,325 --> 01:47:59,925
Speaker 6: Our twenty twenty six movie preview is over, but we

1875
01:47:59,965 --> 01:48:03,925
Speaker 6: are not done talking about the movie year or looking ahead,

1876
01:48:03,965 --> 01:48:04,564
Speaker 6: certainly to.

1877
01:48:04,725 --> 01:48:05,405
Speaker 2: The movie year.

1878
01:48:05,445 --> 01:48:09,684
Speaker 6: We are going to preview Film Spotting in twenty twenty six.

1879
01:48:10,445 --> 01:48:13,845
Speaker 6: Few different things coming up. This is a tradition we've

1880
01:48:13,885 --> 01:48:18,005
Speaker 6: started here recently on the show. Give you a heads

1881
01:48:18,045 --> 01:48:21,285
Speaker 6: up about film Spotting madness, even though we've already announced that,

1882
01:48:21,405 --> 01:48:24,684
Speaker 6: but maybe you don't remember what the topic is going

1883
01:48:24,725 --> 01:48:29,765
Speaker 6: to be. Will hint at a potential live event coming up.

1884
01:48:29,845 --> 01:48:32,365
Speaker 6: And yes, we will also talk to you about the

1885
01:48:32,365 --> 01:48:36,725
Speaker 6: Pantheon Project. What is the Pantheon Project? No, Josh, I'm

1886
01:48:36,725 --> 01:48:39,685
Speaker 6: asking you explain the Pantheon Project. No, I would never

1887
01:48:39,765 --> 01:48:42,805
Speaker 6: do that to you. I would never drop that use

1888
01:48:42,965 --> 01:48:46,245
Speaker 6: You're already taking classes. You've got enough tests.

1889
01:48:46,925 --> 01:48:49,925
Speaker 1: My brain is stretched, Adam. The Pantheon project would be

1890
01:48:49,965 --> 01:48:52,205
Speaker 1: way too much for me. I just hope I can

1891
01:48:52,285 --> 01:48:54,405
Speaker 1: keep up with the duties I have within it.

1892
01:48:55,005 --> 01:48:58,125
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm gonna try to simplify it. It launched last year. Yeah,

1893
01:48:58,125 --> 01:49:01,725
Speaker 6: the goal was just to formalize the process to nominate

1894
01:49:01,805 --> 01:49:08,045
Speaker 6: and induct films into our Pantheon are eccentrically assembled Hall

1895
01:49:08,085 --> 01:49:10,325
Speaker 6: of Fame. And the other goal was just to make

1896
01:49:10,365 --> 01:49:14,165
Speaker 6: sure that every film in it has been reviewed by

1897
01:49:14,205 --> 01:49:19,285
Speaker 6: the two of us. So we started with all of

1898
01:49:19,325 --> 01:49:23,125
Speaker 6: the titles, fifty some titles that were in there, and

1899
01:49:23,485 --> 01:49:26,685
Speaker 6: we have now started this process. So there were fifteen,

1900
01:49:26,805 --> 01:49:30,325
Speaker 6: I think that all of them but fifteen that had

1901
01:49:30,325 --> 01:49:34,925
Speaker 6: been reviewed on the show by myself and you. And

1902
01:49:35,245 --> 01:49:39,005
Speaker 6: we've been taking an approach where movies that have anniversaries

1903
01:49:39,285 --> 01:49:42,765
Speaker 6: coming up that affords us a very clear opportunity to

1904
01:49:42,885 --> 01:49:46,245
Speaker 6: discuss those those are already in the Pantheon, obviously, and

1905
01:49:46,525 --> 01:49:50,445
Speaker 6: so that solves that that part of this goal. So Fargo,

1906
01:49:50,645 --> 01:49:55,525
Speaker 6: for example, is thirty in March. Citizen Kane eighty five

1907
01:49:55,565 --> 01:49:59,604
Speaker 6: in May. Yeah, having to reckon with Citizen Kane. It's

1908
01:49:59,645 --> 01:50:03,525
Speaker 6: having to rereckon with the Tree of Life in May.

1909
01:50:04,085 --> 01:50:08,605
Speaker 6: It turns fifteen Blue Velvet forty in September, and a

1910
01:50:08,685 --> 01:50:11,925
Speaker 6: double dip of David Lynch Mulholland Drive is twenty five

1911
01:50:12,445 --> 01:50:15,604
Speaker 6: in October. So those are five Pantheon titles that we

1912
01:50:15,645 --> 01:50:19,604
Speaker 6: do have reviews on the docket for. But then we

1913
01:50:19,645 --> 01:50:23,485
Speaker 6: do want to have new film entering the Pantheon. And

1914
01:50:23,525 --> 01:50:27,405
Speaker 6: so what happens is in this dead time of new

1915
01:50:27,445 --> 01:50:30,845
Speaker 6: releases that is coming up in February, we will each

1916
01:50:31,125 --> 01:50:34,604
Speaker 6: nominate three films, and we don't have to get into

1917
01:50:35,925 --> 01:50:41,005
Speaker 6: how those titles are categorized. Just know that myself, you

1918
01:50:41,245 --> 01:50:46,365
Speaker 6: and Sam all nominate three movies, and one of those

1919
01:50:46,405 --> 01:50:48,845
Speaker 6: titles from each of us is a title that's never

1920
01:50:48,885 --> 01:50:51,365
Speaker 6: been talked about on the show before, a brand new title.

1921
01:50:52,125 --> 01:50:55,965
Speaker 6: Last year, those titles were Grizzly Man Cleo from five

1922
01:50:56,005 --> 01:50:58,045
Speaker 6: to seven, and believe it or not, Singing in the Rain.

1923
01:50:58,245 --> 01:51:00,325
Speaker 6: Singing in the Rain had never been talked about on

1924
01:51:00,405 --> 01:51:04,684
Speaker 6: the show before somehow, so that's why it was new.

1925
01:51:05,205 --> 01:51:08,125
Speaker 6: And so then we give those movies the Sacred Cow treatment,

1926
01:51:08,405 --> 01:51:11,125
Speaker 6: we talk about them, and then we put it up

1927
01:51:11,125 --> 01:51:13,445
Speaker 6: for a vote, and listeners get a vote as well.

1928
01:51:13,485 --> 01:51:17,765
Speaker 6: And the two films that rate the highest, those are

1929
01:51:17,765 --> 01:51:19,845
Speaker 6: the two movies that get inducted into the Hall of

1930
01:51:19,845 --> 01:51:22,245
Speaker 6: Fame and the two films that were inducted last year.

1931
01:51:22,325 --> 01:51:24,685
Speaker 6: Singing in the Raid was one of them, and the

1932
01:51:24,805 --> 01:51:27,045
Speaker 6: other film was not one of the new titles, but

1933
01:51:27,165 --> 01:51:30,564
Speaker 6: a marathon title from the past, Buster Keaton Sherlock Junior.

1934
01:51:31,125 --> 01:51:34,325
Speaker 6: So that's the approach. We'll do it again here coming

1935
01:51:34,405 --> 01:51:37,405
Speaker 6: up in February. We'll nominate three films each, we'll talk

1936
01:51:37,445 --> 01:51:41,085
Speaker 6: about three titles, and then we'll put all nine films

1937
01:51:41,125 --> 01:51:41,684
Speaker 6: up for a vote.

1938
01:51:41,725 --> 01:51:43,005
Speaker 2: Josh, it's not that hard.

1939
01:51:43,565 --> 01:51:46,005
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that was about as streamlined as

1940
01:51:46,045 --> 01:51:49,885
Speaker 1: you could make it. Congratulations. I'm completely know what I'm

1941
01:51:49,925 --> 01:51:52,525
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing now, So thank you personally.

1942
01:51:54,365 --> 01:51:57,205
Speaker 6: More about the Pantheon is available at film spotting dot

1943
01:51:57,285 --> 01:52:00,925
Speaker 6: net slash Pantheon. We also will have coming up in

1944
01:52:00,965 --> 01:52:04,325
Speaker 6: March and April our eleventh annual edition of Film Spotting Madness,

1945
01:52:04,365 --> 01:52:05,525
Speaker 6: our bracket style movies.

1946
01:52:06,365 --> 01:52:07,005
Speaker 2: Turn Amused.

1947
01:52:07,605 --> 01:52:10,245
Speaker 6: Yeah, well you should set this one down by now.

1948
01:52:10,605 --> 01:52:13,045
Speaker 6: You know, it's just a bracket and.

1949
01:52:13,125 --> 01:52:15,445
Speaker 1: Eleven years, eleven years now we've been doing this.

1950
01:52:15,965 --> 01:52:17,445
Speaker 2: It is something like that.

1951
01:52:17,925 --> 01:52:21,005
Speaker 6: Last year's theme was the best of the twenty four

1952
01:52:21,125 --> 01:52:24,245
Speaker 6: century so far. The Championship round pitted there will be

1953
01:52:24,285 --> 01:52:28,165
Speaker 6: Blood against Mulholland Drive, and there will be blood ended

1954
01:52:28,285 --> 01:52:32,645
Speaker 6: up victorious. It had a competition in it. Apparently this

1955
01:52:32,765 --> 01:52:34,844
Speaker 6: year we're getting back to our best of the decades

1956
01:52:34,925 --> 01:52:39,405
Speaker 6: theme and that started in twenty eighteen with the nineties,

1957
01:52:39,445 --> 01:52:41,205
Speaker 6: the best of the nineties, and we've just been going

1958
01:52:41,245 --> 01:52:44,485
Speaker 6: back and we decided we do have to go ahead

1959
01:52:44,525 --> 01:52:46,604
Speaker 6: and figure out what the best film in the nineteen

1960
01:52:46,645 --> 01:52:48,845
Speaker 6: forties is, even though Citizen Kane is right there.

1961
01:52:49,445 --> 01:52:51,525
Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see what we think.

1962
01:52:51,885 --> 01:52:54,205
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been it's been bumped from the site

1963
01:52:54,245 --> 01:52:57,445
Speaker 1: and sound right, so true. If it's been bumped from that,

1964
01:52:57,605 --> 01:53:00,604
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily have to take film spotting madness. Yeah,

1965
01:53:00,685 --> 01:53:03,885
Speaker 1: last year was actually really fun to reassess. You know,

1966
01:53:03,965 --> 01:53:07,725
Speaker 1: this recent two and a half decades. But I love

1967
01:53:07,805 --> 01:53:11,165
Speaker 1: these decade by decade ones, even though they're getting older,

1968
01:53:11,165 --> 01:53:13,644
Speaker 1: because it's the chance to fill in the blind spots

1969
01:53:14,565 --> 01:53:18,005
Speaker 1: and I don't have them offhand, but I know there's

1970
01:53:18,245 --> 01:53:21,205
Speaker 1: you know between five and ten crucial ones from the forties,

1971
01:53:21,885 --> 01:53:24,525
Speaker 1: and now I got the push. This is going to

1972
01:53:24,565 --> 01:53:27,085
Speaker 1: force me to do it. And it happens every time

1973
01:53:27,165 --> 01:53:31,724
Speaker 1: we do one of these decades long brackets for Film

1974
01:53:31,765 --> 01:53:34,325
Speaker 1: Spotting Madness. So pretty excited about this year is going

1975
01:53:34,365 --> 01:53:35,525
Speaker 1: back to the nineteen forties.

1976
01:53:36,125 --> 01:53:40,085
Speaker 6: Discovery has always been a key goal here for the

1977
01:53:40,165 --> 01:53:42,365
Speaker 6: show in general, but also behind a lot of these

1978
01:53:42,405 --> 01:53:45,405
Speaker 6: segments in Film Spotting Marathon that Film Spotting Madness. That's

1979
01:53:45,805 --> 01:53:49,085
Speaker 6: definitely the case as well, best of the nineteen forties.

1980
01:53:49,165 --> 01:53:51,604
Speaker 6: Josh mentioned he's got a few blind spots. I've got

1981
01:53:51,605 --> 01:53:53,365
Speaker 6: a few blind spots I have to take care of.

1982
01:53:53,765 --> 01:53:55,885
Speaker 6: And something we decided to do this year that we've

1983
01:53:55,885 --> 01:53:58,805
Speaker 6: never done before. Instead of just putting out like one

1984
01:53:58,925 --> 01:54:02,925
Speaker 6: hundred titles and not telling you exactly which ones we're

1985
01:54:02,925 --> 01:54:06,965
Speaker 6: going to make the final tournament bracket until the end,

1986
01:54:07,925 --> 01:54:08,844
Speaker 6: we made it official.

1987
01:54:09,005 --> 01:54:09,205
Speaker 2: Now.

1988
01:54:09,245 --> 01:54:11,325
Speaker 6: I do have some Film Spotting family members, Josh and

1989
01:54:11,365 --> 01:54:15,365
Speaker 6: the Discord who are lobbying hard lobbying the selection committee

1990
01:54:15,685 --> 01:54:19,725
Speaker 6: for William Wiler's The Heiress, and the selection committee is

1991
01:54:19,765 --> 01:54:22,925
Speaker 6: listening and it might be added. But other than that,

1992
01:54:23,445 --> 01:54:27,445
Speaker 6: the list is the list. So if you go to

1993
01:54:27,845 --> 01:54:31,765
Speaker 6: film Spotting maadness dot com or Filmspotting dot net slash madness,

1994
01:54:32,165 --> 01:54:34,405
Speaker 6: or you go to letterbox and search for Film Spotting

1995
01:54:34,445 --> 01:54:38,085
Speaker 6: Madness twenty twenty six. You will find all of these

1996
01:54:38,125 --> 01:54:41,245
Speaker 6: titles and these are the lists. These are the films

1997
01:54:41,245 --> 01:54:43,245
Speaker 6: that will make the final list. Now there's more than

1998
01:54:43,285 --> 01:54:46,685
Speaker 6: sixty four because we do play ins as well, but

1999
01:54:46,845 --> 01:54:49,325
Speaker 6: these are the titles that will be in the tournament.

2000
01:54:49,405 --> 01:54:52,325
Speaker 6: So check out the list and see how many films

2001
01:54:52,365 --> 01:54:55,685
Speaker 6: you need to fill in and make sure that you've

2002
01:54:55,725 --> 01:54:58,365
Speaker 6: seen so that you can vote in every single poll.

2003
01:54:58,725 --> 01:55:01,445
Speaker 1: That's what we want and it's coming up too, So

2004
01:55:01,845 --> 01:55:05,125
Speaker 1: check that list out, start your viewing and be an

2005
01:55:05,205 --> 01:55:06,045
Speaker 1: informed voter.

2006
01:55:06,685 --> 01:55:07,205
Speaker 2: There you go.

2007
01:55:07,805 --> 01:55:10,405
Speaker 6: This is a little perk we give just to our

2008
01:55:10,485 --> 01:55:15,085
Speaker 6: film Spotting family members, specifically the Film Spotting Advisory Board.

2009
01:55:15,805 --> 01:55:18,325
Speaker 6: We like to do marathons here on the show. We

2010
01:55:18,365 --> 01:55:20,485
Speaker 6: have done them since the very beginning of the show.

2011
01:55:20,685 --> 01:55:22,805
Speaker 6: It was not planned at the very beginning of the show.

2012
01:55:22,845 --> 01:55:26,085
Speaker 6: It came out of feedback from listeners. We've done over

2013
01:55:26,165 --> 01:55:29,165
Speaker 6: fifty of them at this point. Speaking of blind spots

2014
01:55:29,285 --> 01:55:32,765
Speaker 6: and Discovery, it's all about filling in our cinematic blind spots.

2015
01:55:33,445 --> 01:55:36,805
Speaker 6: We will have another film Spotting Marathon scheduled for April

2016
01:55:36,885 --> 01:55:37,365
Speaker 6: and May.

2017
01:55:38,005 --> 01:55:39,285
Speaker 2: We do not have a topic yet.

2018
01:55:39,405 --> 01:55:41,965
Speaker 6: Usually on this preview show, or at least last year,

2019
01:55:42,045 --> 01:55:46,485
Speaker 6: we did know because at our November I think FAB meeting,

2020
01:55:47,365 --> 01:55:50,125
Speaker 6: we did settle that, but we had other things to

2021
01:55:50,165 --> 01:55:52,445
Speaker 6: settle this past November, and so we're not going to

2022
01:55:52,485 --> 01:55:55,645
Speaker 6: get to that until I think our February FAB meeting.

2023
01:55:55,845 --> 01:55:59,805
Speaker 6: So it's still TBD at this point. And how that

2024
01:55:59,885 --> 01:56:02,965
Speaker 6: works is me, you and Sam come to that meeting

2025
01:56:03,085 --> 01:56:06,365
Speaker 6: with a few different topics that I think we each

2026
01:56:06,405 --> 01:56:10,445
Speaker 6: bring two to the table. Two potential marathon topics could

2027
01:56:10,445 --> 01:56:13,725
Speaker 6: be an actor, an actress, a genre, a regional cinema,

2028
01:56:14,005 --> 01:56:18,245
Speaker 6: whatever it is, and we present them to the FAB

2029
01:56:18,725 --> 01:56:21,005
Speaker 6: and we get their feedback. They can throw out IDs

2030
01:56:21,125 --> 01:56:24,085
Speaker 6: is as well, and we hone that into a list

2031
01:56:24,165 --> 01:56:25,765
Speaker 6: and then we put that up for vote. I can't

2032
01:56:25,805 --> 01:56:28,845
Speaker 6: remember if we actually give the film Spotting audience as

2033
01:56:28,845 --> 01:56:31,645
Speaker 6: a whole of vote or if we just restricted to

2034
01:56:31,685 --> 01:56:35,405
Speaker 6: the FAB, but we do then look at those poll

2035
01:56:35,525 --> 01:56:38,965
Speaker 6: results and whicheverone ends up with the most votes is

2036
01:56:39,845 --> 01:56:41,165
Speaker 6: the marathon topic we go with.

2037
01:56:41,685 --> 01:56:44,525
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Advisory Board is great in terms of just

2038
01:56:44,605 --> 01:56:47,965
Speaker 1: that initial response to our ideas, which ones you know

2039
01:56:48,005 --> 01:56:52,845
Speaker 1: they find most intriguing or suggest other spinoff possibilities. I've

2040
01:56:52,885 --> 01:56:55,965
Speaker 1: got one idea I'm kind of excited about, and yeah,

2041
01:56:56,005 --> 01:56:59,445
Speaker 1: we'll find that other one, and hopefully time zones are

2042
01:56:59,445 --> 01:57:01,685
Speaker 1: tricky now, but I'd like to see if we can

2043
01:57:01,725 --> 01:57:05,445
Speaker 1: make it work for this Film Spotting Advisory Board meeting,

2044
01:57:05,485 --> 01:57:08,525
Speaker 1: because that's a rich one talking about our marathon topics.

2045
01:57:09,325 --> 01:57:11,765
Speaker 6: Just as you said that, I remembered that I had

2046
01:57:11,805 --> 01:57:14,165
Speaker 6: a really good idea a week or so ago, didn't

2047
01:57:14,165 --> 01:57:14,805
Speaker 6: write it down.

2048
01:57:15,205 --> 01:57:18,005
Speaker 2: Gone uh oh. I don't know if it'll ever come back.

2049
01:57:18,485 --> 01:57:19,765
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're like me, it'll be in the

2050
01:57:19,765 --> 01:57:22,325
Speaker 1: middle of the night when you know, yeah, you'll just

2051
01:57:22,445 --> 01:57:24,645
Speaker 1: wake up and and then it's if you remember to

2052
01:57:24,725 --> 01:57:27,805
Speaker 1: keep the pad of paper and pen exactly bad.

2053
01:57:28,645 --> 01:57:32,405
Speaker 6: So I'm really hesitant to mention anything about this. But

2054
01:57:34,365 --> 01:57:37,685
Speaker 6: as you know, we celebrated the twentieth anniversary of Film

2055
01:57:37,725 --> 01:57:42,045
Speaker 6: Spotting this past year, and we did that with Film

2056
01:57:42,085 --> 01:57:45,765
Speaker 6: Spotting Fest in March. We felt that was only appropriate

2057
01:57:45,805 --> 01:57:48,565
Speaker 6: because it was the actual twentieth anniversary of the show.

2058
01:57:50,005 --> 01:57:53,965
Speaker 6: Moving forward, we have thought about doing more Film Spotting

2059
01:57:54,005 --> 01:57:57,525
Speaker 6: fests and potentially making them an annual event. Though if

2060
01:57:57,565 --> 01:57:59,885
Speaker 6: they're going to be annual, at least not in the

2061
01:57:59,885 --> 01:58:03,485
Speaker 6: milestone years, they will have to be smaller, more pared

2062
01:58:03,525 --> 01:58:08,565
Speaker 6: down events, maybe two day affairs, fewer screenings, but still

2063
01:58:08,685 --> 01:58:10,685
Speaker 6: a lot of fun, still bring in a few guests

2064
01:58:10,725 --> 01:58:14,205
Speaker 6: here and there, and we are looking at doing that

2065
01:58:14,685 --> 01:58:18,565
Speaker 6: this summer, just like just like Christopher Nolan with The Odyssey,

2066
01:58:18,605 --> 01:58:21,525
Speaker 6: we're looking at our tent pole event. In our tent

2067
01:58:21,605 --> 01:58:23,805
Speaker 6: pole event, of course, we won't try to compete with

2068
01:58:23,885 --> 01:58:28,245
Speaker 6: Christopher Nolan, but we are looking at this July. So

2069
01:58:28,445 --> 01:58:30,645
Speaker 6: we'll try to give you more information as soon as

2070
01:58:30,645 --> 01:58:35,165
Speaker 6: we have it all settled. But we are excited about it.

2071
01:58:35,445 --> 01:58:37,605
Speaker 6: We're pretty sure it's going to happen. We have dates

2072
01:58:37,685 --> 01:58:42,085
Speaker 6: and a venue at least penciled in, so that's.

2073
01:58:41,885 --> 01:58:44,765
Speaker 1: Something so good. And some good ideas for programming too.

2074
01:58:44,845 --> 01:58:48,725
Speaker 1: That's we think would go over about as well as

2075
01:58:49,125 --> 01:58:52,405
Speaker 1: our great film spotting fast Titles. So yeah, hopefully, hopefully

2076
01:58:52,445 --> 01:58:54,085
Speaker 1: that all come together and we'll have some news for

2077
01:58:54,245 --> 01:58:54,925
Speaker 1: listeners soon.

2078
01:58:55,525 --> 01:58:58,085
Speaker 6: And really we just thought, and we did get this feedback,

2079
01:58:58,205 --> 01:59:00,885
Speaker 6: not that people were complaining, and they weren't, but would

2080
01:59:00,925 --> 01:59:04,685
Speaker 6: you rather come to Chicago in the summer or in March.

2081
01:59:05,485 --> 01:59:07,485
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd rather live in Chicago in the summer

2082
01:59:07,525 --> 01:59:07,965
Speaker 1: than March.

2083
01:59:08,005 --> 01:59:12,405
Speaker 6: So exactly, if you would like to stay on top

2084
01:59:12,445 --> 01:59:17,125
Speaker 6: of our schedule, visit filmspotting dot Net slash episodes. Next

2085
01:59:17,165 --> 01:59:19,925
Speaker 6: week here on the show, let's just look more short

2086
01:59:20,005 --> 01:59:24,645
Speaker 6: term Josh reactions to the Oscar nominations. And yes you're

2087
01:59:24,645 --> 01:59:27,005
Speaker 6: hearing this after they've already been announced, but we're recording

2088
01:59:27,005 --> 01:59:29,485
Speaker 6: this a couple days before, so sorry, you're living in

2089
01:59:29,525 --> 01:59:33,085
Speaker 6: the future. We don't know who got snubbed. We don't

2090
01:59:33,125 --> 01:59:35,405
Speaker 6: know what all the outrage is about yet. We're living

2091
01:59:35,445 --> 01:59:39,725
Speaker 6: blissfully in ignorance at this point. But we'll be outraged,

2092
01:59:39,765 --> 01:59:42,605
Speaker 6: I'm sure next week here on the show. Also the

2093
01:59:42,685 --> 01:59:45,085
Speaker 6: shortest span of time between a movie's release and a

2094
01:59:45,125 --> 01:59:48,885
Speaker 6: Sacred Cow review. Yeah, one battle after another, we're gonna

2095
01:59:48,885 --> 01:59:52,925
Speaker 6: be talking about PTA's film. That was the number one

2096
01:59:52,965 --> 01:59:55,645
Speaker 6: film of the year for three of our roundtable folks,

2097
01:59:55,685 --> 01:59:58,325
Speaker 6: including you, Josh, my number two of the year. I

2098
01:59:58,445 --> 02:00:01,245
Speaker 6: just felt like I had to be in a contrarian obviously,

2099
02:00:01,285 --> 02:00:04,405
Speaker 6: just on against the grain there. Sure, Yeah, it's the

2100
02:00:04,405 --> 02:00:06,805
Speaker 6: film of the year. It's clearly the film of the

2101
02:00:06,845 --> 02:00:10,285
Speaker 6: Year along with Sinners, and I haven't seen it. It's

2102
02:00:10,285 --> 02:00:12,245
Speaker 6: one of those films that came out early in the year,

2103
02:00:12,805 --> 02:00:15,765
Speaker 6: only saw it once. So much to talk about, not

2104
02:00:15,885 --> 02:00:18,085
Speaker 6: a lot of new stuff coming out that you feel

2105
02:00:18,125 --> 02:00:20,565
Speaker 6: like you have to discuss here on the show, and

2106
02:00:21,245 --> 02:00:24,045
Speaker 6: this is just a great excuse to revisit this movie

2107
02:00:24,125 --> 02:00:25,645
Speaker 6: and dive into some of those topics.

2108
02:00:25,645 --> 02:00:26,485
Speaker 2: That's why we're doing it.

2109
02:00:26,885 --> 02:00:31,605
Speaker 1: I almost always have the chance and try to see

2110
02:00:31,645 --> 02:00:33,565
Speaker 1: the movie I choose as my number one of the

2111
02:00:33,605 --> 02:00:35,885
Speaker 1: Year a second time before we record that show, which

2112
02:00:36,005 --> 02:00:39,685
Speaker 1: for sure didn't happen with one battle after another. So

2113
02:00:39,765 --> 02:00:41,685
Speaker 1: I'm in the same place as you and also very

2114
02:00:41,685 --> 02:00:46,085
Speaker 1: intrigued to watch it after, you know, our revisit for

2115
02:00:46,165 --> 02:00:49,125
Speaker 1: our bonus show for film spotting family members on Boogie Knights.

2116
02:00:49,165 --> 02:00:51,325
Speaker 1: You know, it'll be interesting just to have those two

2117
02:00:51,565 --> 02:00:54,965
Speaker 1: so close in my mind when I do take a

2118
02:00:55,005 --> 02:00:57,445
Speaker 1: look at one Battle again in like what five days

2119
02:00:57,485 --> 02:01:00,765
Speaker 1: a week or so, and yeah, that'll be I'm sure

2120
02:01:00,765 --> 02:01:03,805
Speaker 1: there will be plenty of new stuff to uncover in

2121
02:01:03,805 --> 02:01:05,165
Speaker 1: that sacred kind of conversation.

2122
02:01:05,405 --> 02:01:08,525
Speaker 6: That Sam wasn't going to join us because he's been

2123
02:01:08,565 --> 02:01:11,325
Speaker 6: banned anyway, preemptively banned.

2124
02:01:11,405 --> 02:01:15,005
Speaker 1: Well from that conversation, but Sam is like he's just

2125
02:01:15,085 --> 02:01:21,245
Speaker 1: so open minded and so unconcerned about you know, I

2126
02:01:21,285 --> 02:01:24,325
Speaker 1: would say how his perception is going to be received.

2127
02:01:24,365 --> 02:01:27,485
Speaker 1: That Sam could have Sam could have like hated one

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Speaker 1: battle when he saw it in the summer. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that that's the case. I forget to be honest.

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Speaker 2: No, it's his fill of the year.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So then well, but then knowing Sam, he could

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Speaker 1: watch it yeah this week and come on the show

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Speaker 1: and be like, well, actually I don't know what I was.

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Speaker 2: I was wrong last summer. Yeah, he's looking at.

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Speaker 1: It's he really doesn't. You really don't know what you're

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Speaker 1: going to get.

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Speaker 6: But this is you're describing the beauty and the folly

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Speaker 6: of Sam van Holgren exactly.

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Speaker 1: But now that he's been banned, we'll never know.

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02:01:59,205 --> 02:02:00,565
Speaker 2: So that's true.

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02:02:00,605 --> 02:02:05,085
Speaker 6: Maybe I should I should unban him. It makes for

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02:02:05,125 --> 02:02:08,045
Speaker 6: good content, and isn't that all that matters? Josh, Speaking

2143
02:02:08,045 --> 02:02:09,205
Speaker 6: of good content.

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Speaker 1: Our sister podcast, The Next Picture Show, looking at Cinema's

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Speaker 1: Picture Show drop every Tuesday and you can find them

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts.

2151
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Speaker 3: I need you to come with us. The sun is dying.

2152
02:02:39,005 --> 02:02:41,285
Speaker 3: We have a doctor write in molecular biology.

2153
02:02:41,125 --> 02:02:44,285
Speaker 2: And I ride a bike to work and it's.

2154
02:02:44,205 --> 02:02:45,245
Speaker 1: Not for exercise.

2155
02:02:45,405 --> 02:02:48,205
Speaker 4: If we do nothing, everything on this planet will go extinct,

2156
02:02:48,285 --> 02:02:49,045
Speaker 4: including us.

2157
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Speaker 6: Poll results time. A couple of weeks ago, we asked

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Speaker 6: you to name your most anticipated film that's scheduled to

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Speaker 6: be released in the first half of twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 6: So we are only going up to Memorial Day, trying

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Speaker 6: to make it a little bit more manageable. And it's

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02:03:05,085 --> 02:03:08,285
Speaker 6: interesting now, Josh, having done the preview, we look at

2163
02:03:08,285 --> 02:03:12,525
Speaker 6: these titles and after our top ten that we did

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02:03:12,605 --> 02:03:17,005
Speaker 6: the draft and all those honorable mentions, only two of

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Speaker 6: these films actually got selected. So maybe we're out of

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02:03:20,685 --> 02:03:22,485
Speaker 6: touch with the populace.

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02:03:22,965 --> 02:03:23,405
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I also think this. I think if we, you know,

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02:03:28,045 --> 02:03:31,565
Speaker 1: put together a Google spreadsheet the Memorial Day pre Memorial

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02:03:31,645 --> 02:03:34,685
Speaker 1: Day thing, yeah in a real wrinkle and so fair enough,

2171
02:03:34,925 --> 02:03:37,325
Speaker 1: but yeah, interesting to see where listeners are at least

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02:03:37,365 --> 02:03:40,645
Speaker 1: in these first half of the year releases come in

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Speaker 1: our way.

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Speaker 6: Okay, the options, and then Josh will provide the results.

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Speaker 6: Emerald Finel's Wuthering Heights, Maggie Gillenhols, The Bride, Lord Miller's

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02:03:50,765 --> 02:03:54,285
Speaker 6: Project Hail Mary, Zendea, and Robert Pattinson in the Drama,

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02:03:54,845 --> 02:03:59,085
Speaker 6: David Lowry's Mother Mary, the Devil Wears Prada two, or

2178
02:03:59,365 --> 02:04:02,685
Speaker 6: you could go with other and write in your choice, Josh,

2179
02:04:02,685 --> 02:04:03,525
Speaker 6: how did it come out?

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02:04:03,965 --> 02:04:06,565
Speaker 1: Devil Wears Prada two in last place with three percent,

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02:04:07,165 --> 02:04:10,525
Speaker 1: the Drama with five percent, and other here at six percent.

2182
02:04:10,605 --> 02:04:14,405
Speaker 1: So maybe Adam, people chose different titles as you and

2183
02:04:14,445 --> 02:04:17,805
Speaker 1: I did. In our draft. Thirteen percent of the vote

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02:04:17,845 --> 02:04:20,725
Speaker 1: went to David Lowry's mother Mary, and fourteen percent of

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02:04:20,725 --> 02:04:24,285
Speaker 1: the vote went to Wuthering Heights, twenty three percent for

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02:04:24,405 --> 02:04:27,525
Speaker 1: The Bride. But winning our poll is Lord and Miller's

2187
02:04:27,565 --> 02:04:31,525
Speaker 1: Project Hail Mary. That film received thirty six percent of

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02:04:31,565 --> 02:04:32,085
Speaker 1: the vote.

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02:04:32,285 --> 02:04:37,605
Speaker 6: Now, no aliens, but space, more sci fi ish.

2190
02:04:38,085 --> 02:04:41,125
Speaker 1: Weird territory for you with this, Alom just just say

2191
02:04:41,125 --> 02:04:43,365
Speaker 1: weird zombies, alien sci fi.

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02:04:43,645 --> 02:04:46,005
Speaker 2: It's always a fantasy? Is it fantasy?

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02:04:46,045 --> 02:04:48,805
Speaker 6: Does it count as fantasy are their creatures in Project

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02:04:48,845 --> 02:04:53,165
Speaker 6: Hail Mary, there might as well be. I'm a little surprised,

2195
02:04:53,245 --> 02:04:56,565
Speaker 6: Josh that The Devil Wears Pradact two. I am too,

2196
02:04:56,685 --> 02:04:59,685
Speaker 6: I mean, well, pretentious is our audience that that film

2197
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Speaker 6: got only three percent?

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Speaker 1: Come on, people, you're allowed to have now, Sam Sam

2199
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Speaker 1: pan Holgren.

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02:05:05,365 --> 02:05:09,605
Speaker 6: Will tell you that I vastly underrated that film and

2201
02:05:10,045 --> 02:05:13,805
Speaker 6: did not show it near enough love that it deserved.

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Speaker 2: Apparently upon our time Anti, I don't remember.

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02:05:18,685 --> 02:05:20,405
Speaker 6: I would have to I would have to go into

2204
02:05:20,445 --> 02:05:24,045
Speaker 6: the archive to find the star rating on our old website.

2205
02:05:24,605 --> 02:05:28,005
Speaker 6: It's possible. It's possible that I was actually Anti or

2206
02:05:28,245 --> 02:05:29,845
Speaker 6: just like Rite at three stars.

2207
02:05:30,485 --> 02:05:33,125
Speaker 1: You know what I got you? I got you, reminding

2208
02:05:33,205 --> 02:05:37,964
Speaker 1: myself right now, one and a half out of four stars.

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Speaker 2: One and a half.

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02:05:39,685 --> 02:05:41,845
Speaker 1: Yeah, get this, get this thing, even get it off

2211
02:05:41,845 --> 02:05:44,365
Speaker 1: our pole. If I had had a chance, no, I

2212
02:05:45,045 --> 02:05:47,645
Speaker 1: don't know, I could have been crabby that Hey, who knows.

2213
02:05:48,165 --> 02:05:51,645
Speaker 6: Great, Let's get to some feedback. Here's Tanner Wassington. He says,

2214
02:05:51,685 --> 02:05:54,045
Speaker 6: I had the privilege of watching Danny Boyle Sunshine for

2215
02:05:54,085 --> 02:05:56,365
Speaker 6: the first time in December, and it is skyrocketed to

2216
02:05:56,365 --> 02:05:58,765
Speaker 6: one of my favorite sci fi movies see sci fi.

2217
02:05:59,885 --> 02:06:03,965
Speaker 6: Adam calls, Now I get another movie about sunshine is

2218
02:06:04,045 --> 02:06:06,325
Speaker 6: kind of weird? Actually, now I get another movie about

2219
02:06:06,325 --> 02:06:09,245
Speaker 6: our sun dying, starring my man crush, Ryan Gosling.

2220
02:06:09,645 --> 02:06:14,445
Speaker 1: I'm in Okay, this is from Stevie B Nah Bra

2221
02:06:15,765 --> 02:06:19,365
Speaker 1: What is this avatar? Anyway? In this house we sit

2222
02:06:19,485 --> 02:06:23,285
Speaker 1: eagerly planted for good luck, have fun, don't die. Apparently

2223
02:06:23,325 --> 02:06:30,005
Speaker 1: releasing in the US on February thirteenth, Return of the Verbinskinator. Okay,

2224
02:06:30,165 --> 02:06:34,445
Speaker 1: is this a Gore Verbinski reference? Hi, Steve, Stevie's thrown

2225
02:06:34,485 --> 02:06:37,045
Speaker 1: a lot at us here. Sure many are excited for

2226
02:06:37,085 --> 02:06:40,445
Speaker 1: that other new sci fi you know, quote unquote weird,

2227
02:06:40,845 --> 02:06:44,525
Speaker 1: the Ryan Gosling vehicle. But this one stars Academy Award

2228
02:06:44,565 --> 02:06:49,645
Speaker 1: winning dance daddy himself, Sam Rockwell, throw In Hayley, Lou Richardson,

2229
02:06:49,765 --> 02:06:53,325
Speaker 1: Michael Pena, and Zazi Beats. This did come up in

2230
02:06:53,405 --> 02:06:57,765
Speaker 1: my research, and I do find that intriguing. Stevie b

2231
02:06:58,445 --> 02:07:00,485
Speaker 1: not enough to draft it, but I'm intrigued.

2232
02:07:01,485 --> 02:07:04,285
Speaker 6: Okay, Here is Rob Steger who says it's got to

2233
02:07:04,325 --> 02:07:07,045
Speaker 6: be the Bride. Come on, Jesse Buckley, I can't imagine

2234
02:07:07,085 --> 02:07:10,565
Speaker 6: better casting Yep, you're right. Josh took it, and if

2235
02:07:10,565 --> 02:07:13,245
Speaker 6: he didn't, it was going to be selected by me

2236
02:07:13,605 --> 02:07:14,405
Speaker 6: during our draft.

2237
02:07:15,045 --> 02:07:17,245
Speaker 1: I got your rob and so does Rachel, who said

2238
02:07:17,405 --> 02:07:20,685
Speaker 1: absolutely it's the bride, the cast, the costumes of the production.

2239
02:07:20,765 --> 02:07:22,045
Speaker 1: Look can't wait.

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Speaker 2: And here's Patrick.

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Speaker 6: And Sam has decided to clarify one pronunciation here for us,

2242
02:07:28,645 --> 02:07:31,365
Speaker 6: he says. David Lowry's mother Mary takes this easily for me.

2243
02:07:31,445 --> 02:07:33,885
Speaker 6: And while it isn't Ghost Story, my favorite Lowry, the

2244
02:07:33,925 --> 02:07:36,245
Speaker 6: trailer has some of the mood of that film. I've

2245
02:07:36,245 --> 02:07:39,805
Speaker 6: also not seen Mikayla Cowell in a while. Very excited

2246
02:07:39,845 --> 02:07:40,165
Speaker 6: about that.

2247
02:07:40,405 --> 02:07:41,005
Speaker 1: Now. You know.

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02:07:41,085 --> 02:07:43,525
Speaker 6: I'm a big pronunciation guy. I like to look these

2249
02:07:43,565 --> 02:07:46,525
Speaker 6: things up and check the finetic spelling. I'm not sure

2250
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Speaker 6: I trust Sam, but we can. We can put it

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Speaker 6: in the pronunciation channel on Slack, Josh, if if you'd like,

2252
02:07:54,125 --> 02:07:56,845
Speaker 6: just as a placeholder until I've approved it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, mister pronunciation, you you've forgotten. We have an

2254
02:08:02,165 --> 02:08:05,885
Speaker 1: official film spotting pronunciation guide. It's a Google doc I created.

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Speaker 2: Probably I thought I thought it was our Slack channel.

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Speaker 1: Ten years ago. Nobody, how is that?

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Speaker 2: How I've been updating the Slack channel.

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02:08:15,325 --> 02:08:18,205
Speaker 1: Every time you put it in, I roll my eyes

2259
02:08:18,245 --> 02:08:20,605
Speaker 1: and go copy it over to the pronunciation Guide, which

2260
02:08:20,645 --> 02:08:25,085
Speaker 1: is else pphabetically listed as any normal resources I should be.

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Speaker 6: I literally had no idea that document existed.

2262
02:08:28,365 --> 02:08:32,925
Speaker 1: Well, of course I've never wrote you about it years ago.

2263
02:08:33,645 --> 02:08:35,845
Speaker 1: You know what, next time you have hours to kill,

2264
02:08:35,925 --> 02:08:37,645
Speaker 1: you should go to it, because you will have a

2265
02:08:37,685 --> 02:08:40,205
Speaker 1: field day correcting what I share down there.

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Speaker 6: The great irony there is, like you call me mister spreadsheet.

2267
02:08:46,245 --> 02:08:48,805
Speaker 6: You finally create a spreadsheet. I never look at it.

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02:08:50,525 --> 02:08:51,965
Speaker 6: That seems only appropriate.

2269
02:08:52,285 --> 02:08:53,165
Speaker 1: It's so true.

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Speaker 6: Okay, we do think everyone who voted and left a comment,

2271
02:08:56,725 --> 02:08:58,925
Speaker 6: it's time for our new poll. In a couple of weeks,

2272
02:08:58,965 --> 02:09:01,485
Speaker 6: we do finally get to honor the late great Diane

2273
02:09:01,565 --> 02:09:04,805
Speaker 6: Keaton with a top five and we are going to

2274
02:09:04,845 --> 02:09:07,405
Speaker 6: do that by sharing our top five Diane Keaton scenes.

2275
02:09:07,445 --> 02:09:10,245
Speaker 6: So we're not going with movies. We're not going with characters.

2276
02:09:10,325 --> 02:09:14,965
Speaker 6: We are going to identify individual scenes. There probably will

2277
02:09:15,005 --> 02:09:18,885
Speaker 6: be a lot of crossover with characters and movies, but

2278
02:09:18,965 --> 02:09:22,605
Speaker 6: not necessarily. And I say that because that could apply

2279
02:09:22,925 --> 02:09:26,965
Speaker 6: or that could be relevant to these poll options.

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02:09:27,645 --> 02:09:29,925
Speaker 2: Here, the question is to choose.

2281
02:09:29,645 --> 02:09:33,365
Speaker 6: One Keaton character and we are throwing out Annie Hall

2282
02:09:33,565 --> 02:09:38,045
Speaker 6: because the right answer is almost certainly Annie Hall. We

2283
02:09:38,125 --> 02:09:44,005
Speaker 6: think it would win pretty decisively anyway, and after much deliberation,

2284
02:09:44,605 --> 02:09:48,045
Speaker 6: we have decided to give you these six options.

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02:09:48,605 --> 02:09:53,965
Speaker 1: Kay Adams, The Godfather, Erica Barry, Nancy Meyers, Something's got

2286
02:09:54,005 --> 02:09:56,565
Speaker 1: to give. That one with Jack Nicholson and Kenna Reeves,

2287
02:09:57,005 --> 02:10:01,485
Speaker 1: Luise Bryant from Warren Badi's Red's j C. Wyatt in

2288
02:10:01,685 --> 02:10:05,085
Speaker 1: Baby Boom. That one written by Nancy Myers, stars Sam

2289
02:10:05,125 --> 02:10:10,165
Speaker 1: Shepherd and a baby Anna Paradis Now every pronunciation I'm

2290
02:10:10,205 --> 02:10:10,805
Speaker 1: double guests.

2291
02:10:10,845 --> 02:10:13,325
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I just watched this movie. I just watched

2292
02:10:13,325 --> 02:10:14,885
Speaker 6: it and can't remember how it's said.

2293
02:10:15,165 --> 02:10:19,685
Speaker 1: So first Wives Club, that one, Bet Midler and Goldie Hawn,

2294
02:10:20,165 --> 02:10:23,325
Speaker 1: and then Mary Wilky from Woody Allen's Manhattan. You can

2295
02:10:23,485 --> 02:10:25,205
Speaker 1: also right and other.

2296
02:10:25,565 --> 02:10:28,285
Speaker 2: Do you have a clear winner, Josh in this poll?

2297
02:10:29,245 --> 02:10:30,805
Speaker 1: I do, but I don't want to say at this

2298
02:10:30,845 --> 02:10:34,805
Speaker 1: point because my research is not completed. But based on

2299
02:10:35,685 --> 02:10:39,005
Speaker 1: those options and the ones I've seen, yes.

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02:10:39,165 --> 02:10:43,725
Speaker 6: Okay, I will go ahead and say that, maybe because

2301
02:10:43,725 --> 02:10:46,605
Speaker 6: it's my favorite movie on the list, I would say

2302
02:10:46,605 --> 02:10:47,005
Speaker 6: by far.

2303
02:10:47,085 --> 02:10:48,285
Speaker 2: But there is one other movie.

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02:10:48,325 --> 02:10:50,685
Speaker 6: Well, okay, The Godfather is there, but I'll get to

2305
02:10:50,725 --> 02:10:52,845
Speaker 6: that in a second. There are two other movies here

2306
02:10:52,845 --> 02:10:55,685
Speaker 6: that I think are pretty great, and those are Manhattan

2307
02:10:55,725 --> 02:10:59,045
Speaker 6: and Reds. It is Mary Wilkie and in Manhattan that

2308
02:10:59,085 --> 02:11:04,005
Speaker 6: would be my choice. Very memorable intellectual that she plays

2309
02:11:04,205 --> 02:11:07,845
Speaker 6: in that film, and I do think she's she's wonderful

2310
02:11:08,005 --> 02:11:09,805
Speaker 6: in it, so that would be my vote.

2311
02:11:10,325 --> 02:11:12,365
Speaker 2: Here's what I want to say, Vote how.

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02:11:12,205 --> 02:11:16,565
Speaker 6: You want, boy, if you if you vote for Kay Adams,

2313
02:11:16,805 --> 02:11:20,525
Speaker 6: my response to that would be, tell me you haven't

2314
02:11:20,565 --> 02:11:23,565
Speaker 6: seen any of these other performances. Without telling me you

2315
02:11:23,565 --> 02:11:27,045
Speaker 6: haven't seen any of these other performances. Because as much

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02:11:27,085 --> 02:11:30,605
Speaker 6: as I of course love The Godfather or The Godfather

2317
02:11:30,645 --> 02:11:34,365
Speaker 6: Part two, and look a scene from one or both

2318
02:11:34,405 --> 02:11:37,045
Speaker 6: of those movies could end up on one of our lists,

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02:11:38,245 --> 02:11:40,245
Speaker 6: it's hard for me to believe that the best Diane

2320
02:11:40,325 --> 02:11:45,245
Speaker 6: Keaton performance or character is Kay Adams, a pretty pretty

2321
02:11:45,285 --> 02:11:49,245
Speaker 6: thinly written character in that movie. I'd be very surprised.

2322
02:11:49,605 --> 02:11:51,845
Speaker 6: Sam and I are worried, Josh and and look again,

2323
02:11:52,005 --> 02:11:53,605
Speaker 6: we'll see how it comes out. We're a little worried

2324
02:11:53,605 --> 02:11:56,725
Speaker 6: that The Godfather just being the Godfather, the juggern it

2325
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Speaker 6: is it dominates this poll. But does that feel like

2326
02:12:01,845 --> 02:12:05,725
Speaker 6: a Diane Keaton performance to you? Like, like, like the

2327
02:12:05,765 --> 02:12:07,725
Speaker 6: performance that harnesses her talents.

2328
02:12:07,765 --> 02:12:10,645
Speaker 1: But that's then I would vote that way. I don't

2329
02:12:10,645 --> 02:12:12,365
Speaker 1: think you have to worry so much about how other

2330
02:12:12,405 --> 02:12:13,205
Speaker 1: people will vote.

2331
02:12:13,285 --> 02:12:16,565
Speaker 6: I'm asking you, do you think it's the performance that

2332
02:12:16,725 --> 02:12:18,325
Speaker 6: best harnesses her talents?

2333
02:12:18,405 --> 02:12:18,925
Speaker 2: Is my point?

2334
02:12:18,925 --> 02:12:21,365
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It wasn't the one that I was thinking

2335
02:12:21,405 --> 02:12:24,565
Speaker 1: of when I said I have a clear option. Yeah.

2336
02:12:24,645 --> 02:12:27,525
Speaker 6: No, I think it's fun to judge people for their choices.

2337
02:12:27,525 --> 02:12:28,525
Speaker 6: That's what I'm making clear.

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02:12:30,645 --> 02:12:31,165
Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 6: Okay, great, that's what That's what poll questions should be about.

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Speaker 6: This should be about fun, and that's the fun I'm gotting.

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Speaker 6: So judge, leave your vote and also leave your comment,

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Speaker 6: and I hope you leave a snarky comment telling me

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Speaker 6: that I'm wrong, and we'll read it on air.

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Speaker 1: And if you choose k Adams, you better justify yourself.

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Speaker 2: There you go, That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I want to read exactly.

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Speaker 2: Can't wait.

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Speaker 6: That'll be fun. Vote and leave a comment at film

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Speaker 6: spotting dot net. We will share your results and hopefully

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Speaker 6: your feedback in a couple of weeks Josh, that's our show.

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Speaker 1: me at those places as Larsen on film we're independently

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Speaker 1: That way you'll be able to listen early. Also ad free,

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff this week, monthly bonus episodes where Sam's

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Speaker 1: also stirring up a lot of stuff actually in our

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Speaker 1: Boogie Night's conversation, And you also get access to the

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Speaker 6: Here's the thought, maybe we should have a Sam spinoff podcast.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of getting to that point.

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Speaker 2: Why not?

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Speaker 6: In our archive you could hear our conversation about last

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Speaker 6: year's twenty eight years Later. That was episode ten to

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Speaker 6: twenty Guess what Sam didn't like that movie? I saw

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Speaker 6: it with him. We also have reviewed Nia da Costa's Heada.

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Speaker 6: You review that on episode ten thirty eight. I didn't

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Speaker 6: catch up with it until later, but I was also

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Speaker 6: a fan the Marvel's episode nine forty five.

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Speaker 2: Well that had to be you. Actually, all three of

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Speaker 2: these are you? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I somehow have missed all three of these Nia Dicosta

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Speaker 6: movies and Hill I caught up with HEADA.

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Speaker 1: You know what I deserve. I deserved that review off

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Speaker 1: of the Bone Temple. Okay, I'd put in the world.

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Speaker 1: Let's go with that.

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Speaker 6: Streaming or vod If you can still get a ticket,

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Speaker 6: you can watch movies that are playing virtually at the

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Speaker 6: Sundance Film Festival. Those become available January twenty ninth, but

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Speaker 6: the fest is going on January twenty second through February first.

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Speaker 6: Expanding in limited release is The Testament of Anne Lee,

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Speaker 6: and wide release you can see Claire Foy is in

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Speaker 6: h is for Hawk. It's adapted from the best selling

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Speaker 6: novel and Josh I believe it stars a hawk, like

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Speaker 6: an actual hawk.

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Speaker 1: I think I saw this trailer before I forget a

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Speaker 1: certain film a couple of months ago. Looked quite intriguing. Actually,

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Speaker 1: it might have to catch up with.

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Speaker 2: It, okay.

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Speaker 6: Chris Pratt and Rebecca Ferguson they're in the near future

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Speaker 6: thriller that sounds weird mercy and the director is timor

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Speaker 6: Bech Mambata and I remember that name because I had

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Speaker 6: to learn how to pronounce it and talk about his film.

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Speaker 6: I believe it was night Watch I Want to See

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Speaker 6: two thousand and six. Sam and I reviewed it. We

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Speaker 6: reviewed it positively. Here's a little bit of film Spotting lore.

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Speaker 6: I believe it was the first show that review there

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Speaker 6: was ever played on wbe Z.

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Speaker 2: How A my match now.

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Speaker 6: I have no idea what timur Beck Mambaitav has done

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Speaker 6: in the past nineteen to twenty years, but I do

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Speaker 6: remember night Watch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty sure that's the only film of his I've seen.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Return to Silent Hill, that's the third film in

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Speaker 6: the Silent Hill series, and that's adapted from the horror

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Speaker 6: video game. Next week, One Battle after Another, and our

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Speaker 6: reactions to the Oscar nominations.

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Speaker 2: We'll see if we have any other content for you.

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