Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we welcome comparisons to Brett
Speaker 1: Farv at least on the field. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm
Speaker 1: in the Chris Westling podcast studio. I'm right next to
Speaker 1: Patrick Claybahn. I'm looking at the beautiful, big old mug
Speaker 1: of Nick Shook. Beautiful in Cleveland. He's smiling despite what's
Speaker 1: been a tough day for a tough weekend, rather for
Speaker 1: Cleveland sports fan. How you doing, Nick Shook?
Speaker 2: I'm good. You know I got to see all three
Speaker 2: Alcs games live in his person.
Speaker 3: Wow time.
Speaker 1: Okay, you saw some great baseball games, but this isn't
Speaker 1: about baseball, and yes, I'll get to the whole. Like
Speaker 1: Brett Farr, Jordan love comparison. It's got Greg hot that
Speaker 1: we were talking about before they.
Speaker 3: Came fired up about your tweets.
Speaker 1: But I was especially enjoying this one o'clock window on
Speaker 1: the East coast ten o'clock on the West coast. On paper,
Speaker 1: we had two of the best games I thought of
Speaker 1: the year. Would they deliver, Oh, yes they would. Let's
Speaker 1: start in Minnesota.
Speaker 4: So here we go.
Speaker 5: One place separates the Lions from first place. After all that,
Speaker 5: Donald's gonna work out of the gun. Final play of
Speaker 5: the game, barring a penalty, Donald takes the snap back
Speaker 5: looking rush Cone.
Speaker 4: Do Donald down. This game is over, Trevor.
Speaker 6: Nlwaski with the sack, George. Detroit Lions are in first place. Oh,
Speaker 6: Trevor Nulwaski. Big play, my man in a game.
Speaker 4: Full of them.
Speaker 1: Trevor Nwaski hadn't heard of that young man before Sunday,
Speaker 1: but I have heard of Dan Miller. W X why
Speaker 1: t It was a defensive play that finished off a
Speaker 1: thirty one to twenty nine victory by the Detroit Lions,
Speaker 1: A game that featured a little bit of everything. Some
Speaker 1: great rushing, some great quarterbacking, yes, some big time defensive plays,
Speaker 1: great catches by some of the best receivers in the game,
Speaker 1: and a great ending authored Patrick Claybon by Jared Goff.
Speaker 7: Jared Golf Almost did it again, Greg almost did it again.
Speaker 7: I'm looking at the stat sheet we're calling the game
Speaker 7: on Game Day Live nineteen of nineteen in the third quarter,
Speaker 7: and I'm like, when we come.
Speaker 3: Back, we'll see if Jared Goff keeps this perfect game going.
Speaker 7: You can put that on me, Lions fans, because the
Speaker 7: very next pass got tipped to the line of scrimmage
Speaker 7: and knocked out. But that's the type of day it was.
Speaker 7: The Minnesota Vikings could not get off of the field.
Speaker 7: We talk all week, especially me, I'm hyping up the
Speaker 7: Brian Flores defense because they have been an issue for
Speaker 7: everybody in the league. They blitzed on a season high
Speaker 7: fifty five point two percent of Jared Goff's drop back. Oh,
Speaker 7: that's high, all those dropbacks. He was thirteen of fifteen
Speaker 7: fo one hundred and sixty three and a touch. Wow,
Speaker 7: Jared golf laser like right now. And there were a
Speaker 7: spot for criticism towards the end of the game, Dan Campbell.
Speaker 7: There's a minute and thirteen seconds left. They are in
Speaker 7: field gold range and Dan Campbell elects to kneel it
Speaker 7: out and have the kickbe not the final play of
Speaker 7: the game because there was still gonna be fifteen seconds
Speaker 7: on the clock afterwards, but he sends Baits out there
Speaker 7: has faith in Baits, who after the game was talking about,
Speaker 7: you know, I'm looking for jobs. I'm on indeed, like
Speaker 7: I'm working at car dealerships. I know I would be
Speaker 7: here answering questions. He puts that thing in the back
Speaker 7: of the net and the Lions win. But a dicey
Speaker 7: end of game situation. But how much, Dan Campbell, could
Speaker 7: we possibly be other than having faith in Baits? Yes,
Speaker 7: and then in a Hail Mary's situation watching what the
Speaker 7: Buffalo Bills did against Aaron Rodgers and saying, no, I'm
Speaker 7: Dan Campbell, Aaron send the house.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's send five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was amazing by Flores. The strategy. We'll get
Speaker 1: to that in a second. And you mentioned Baits who
Speaker 1: was training to be a brick salesman. You don't just
Speaker 1: become a brick salesman. You got to build that, you know, education,
Speaker 1: brick by brick to get there. Let's listen to Dan
Speaker 1: Campbell after the game.
Speaker 8: Just a great team win, complimentary football across the board, offense, defense,
Speaker 8: special teams when we need it most, and really proud
Speaker 8: of these guys. That's a huge win on the road,
Speaker 8: tough environment first one when you don't want to say
Speaker 8: must win. But we needed that.
Speaker 3: In a bad way.
Speaker 1: Interesting wording there, you know that they needed it in
Speaker 1: a bad way. Maybe maybe he's thinking about like how
Speaker 1: that game was going. You know, they lost Aden Hutchinson
Speaker 1: though that was an emotional loss, and they were trailing
Speaker 1: in this game ten to nothing early. Then you get
Speaker 1: a twenty eight to seventeen lead entering the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: you give up the lead, and so maybe that's how
Speaker 1: he was feeling that that would have been a really
Speaker 1: heartbreaking loss. But no goff drives him down at the end.
Speaker 1: And yet too much faith in Jake Bates there, who's
Speaker 1: been a little up and down this year. And you
Speaker 1: would have liked it to just finish the game the
Speaker 1: way their offense was playing. But you don't get criticized
Speaker 1: too much if you win. It's interesting on the other
Speaker 1: side that they were setting up for a potential long
Speaker 1: field goal and they got a penalty before that last
Speaker 1: play we just listened to from Dan Miller. It would
Speaker 1: have been a sixty eight yard field goal attempt for
Speaker 1: how do you say any name Will Riicherd. Reikert is awesome.
Speaker 1: Reikert is one of the best kickers in the league
Speaker 1: right off the bat, and they say he's got that
Speaker 1: distance to go sixty eight, that he's hit seventy. They
Speaker 1: thought seventy three was too much, so that that strategy
Speaker 1: by Campbell almost you know, came back to haunt them.
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold like just took too much time on the
Speaker 1: play before. But yeah, Nick, the thing I'll take away
Speaker 1: from this game is what Patrick of course led with
Speaker 1: because he's such a talented broadcaster, he knows to go
Speaker 1: right to the mill the nuts of it all. Just understeal,
Speaker 1: it's Goff, it's Goff out smarting Flories Goff and Ben
Speaker 1: Johnson for the third, there's eight time saying whatever you're
Speaker 1: throwing at us, it's not gonna work. The old idea
Speaker 1: of that you can blitz Goff into submission, that's not
Speaker 1: gonna work. And his numbers under pressure were really good too,
Speaker 1: because they did get plenty of pressure and he made
Speaker 1: it happen with a number of really nice throws and
Speaker 1: good decisions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's not overlook the fact that he plays behind
Speaker 2: one of the better offensive lines in the NFL as well,
Speaker 2: And it was very clear on what I thought was
Speaker 2: his best decision of the day, the touchdown passed to
Speaker 2: Amen ros Saint Brown down the middle where he looks left,
Speaker 2: the blitz is in his face. They've sent like five
Speaker 2: or six guys and they all run into it. Just
Speaker 2: a brick wall of an offensive line. He looks left, resets,
Speaker 2: sees him down the scene, and then puts the ball
Speaker 2: perfectly on him. That's who Jared Goff is right now
Speaker 2: and when he has time to throw and when he's comfortable,
Speaker 2: and that's why we're seeing these peak results. And make
Speaker 2: no mistake, they needed every single one of those completions
Speaker 2: in this game because this was an all out war.
Speaker 2: You go from being down ten to nothing to then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you're up fourteen to ten. Then
Speaker 2: you'll lose the lead again in the second half. You're
Speaker 2: on the road, the place is loud, they're blaring that
Speaker 2: obnoxious horn, and you need a win over your division
Speaker 2: rival to move into first place. This is I totally
Speaker 2: see why Dan Campbell said it was a win that
Speaker 2: they needed. I mean, this is a they don't need
Speaker 2: a turning point. But this was a statement win. And
Speaker 2: they came off a blowout last week. Not all of
Speaker 2: them are gonna be blowouts. This is a real test
Speaker 2: and they passed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Patrick, tell me how the Detroit defense looked, because look,
Speaker 1: the Vikings get their first touchdown after a fake punt
Speaker 1: fate fail by Minnesota and then they hit him for
Speaker 1: a quick long run by Aaron Jones, who is back
Speaker 1: for this game, who really helps out their offense, and
Speaker 1: they get another touchdown on the Ivan Pace fumble return
Speaker 1: with about six minutes to go, which really felt like
Speaker 1: it's swung the whole game. But offensively that that means
Speaker 1: they only allowed one other touchdown the Lions, like what
Speaker 1: was it when Minnesota had the ball? Like, what did you.
Speaker 3: See Minnesota was?
Speaker 7: It was a lot of Justin Jefferson had seven catches
Speaker 7: on seven targets for eighty one yards. I well, seven
Speaker 7: eight targets because that one towards the end was kind
Speaker 7: of didn't know Sam Ardi was looking for Jordan Adison
Speaker 7: or Justin Efferson who was one of those high throws
Speaker 7: from Darnold. But this defense continues to really be without
Speaker 7: and we've only seen this is the first game without
Speaker 7: Aiden Hutchinson. Wait for Brian Branch to make a play
Speaker 7: and it's almost since his very first game in the
Speaker 7: NFL where he picks off Patrick Mahomes where you've seen
Speaker 7: God's kind of running the wrong way. Carlton Davis had
Speaker 7: a punch out that got called back ultimately, but Brian
Speaker 7: Branch consistently in the right spot. Terry On Arnold didn't
Speaker 7: have a lot of those pass interference calls that he
Speaker 7: had all season. But essentially this team thirty two is
Speaker 7: the playmaker and everybody else. They played a lot of
Speaker 7: man today. It was ten point five percent higher than
Speaker 7: at this point last season. A lot of man against
Speaker 7: the Minnesota Vikings, which is tough to do. Consider Justin
Speaker 7: Jefferson has a thousand yards in his career right in
Speaker 7: just eight games against this Detroit Lions.
Speaker 1: Team, and Jamiir Gibbs pops off for a couple of
Speaker 1: long runs. He's been waiting to have some long runs
Speaker 1: this season, and he ends up going fifteen for one
Speaker 1: to sixteen and two touchdowns. But just a good football game.
Speaker 1: And now the onus is sort of on Minnesota. They
Speaker 1: lost this game, but it just sets up all these
Speaker 1: NFC North matchups at the top of this division are
Speaker 1: going to be so good. I was gonna say the
Speaker 1: Vikings are now going to have to win in Detroit,
Speaker 1: and like, maybe that's true, but Green Bay's in this race,
Speaker 1: and uh, Chicago's in this race, Like who knows what
Speaker 1: are gonna be the big games at the end of
Speaker 1: the season. Let's move on to the Super Bowl. Rematch
Speaker 1: that happened in Santa Clara. Take it away, Mitch Holts fourteen.
Speaker 9: Seventeen to go in the game Kansas City fourteen, San
Speaker 9: Francisco twelve, fourth down, less than a yard for a touchdown.
Speaker 9: Mahomes takes the snap and wants to throw it. He'll
Speaker 9: step up into the pocket. Tag on the play comes
Speaker 9: is into the end zone. Touchdown, Chansas City. Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 9: get this one, his first rushing touchdown since Christmas Eve
Speaker 9: of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes trucks Malik Mustafa on the goal line and
Speaker 1: then he stares at him. I think he was staring
Speaker 1: at him because Mustafa wouldn't let go of his leg.
Speaker 1: I think he was just absolutely stunned that he was
Speaker 1: put on highlight reels for at least the rest of
Speaker 1: the week. You know that's gonna be on angry runs,
Speaker 1: maybe for the rest of Mahomes' career, because there aren't
Speaker 1: many plays where Patrick Mahomes runs over one of the
Speaker 1: toughest players in the NFL. That was Mitch holtus As
Speaker 1: I said, WDAF, the Chiefs take care of business twenty
Speaker 1: eight to eighteen. As the weeks where on and now
Speaker 1: I put them second in the show because they're the
Speaker 1: only undefeated team left. Vikings have that loss, it doesn't
Speaker 1: even matter, Like if you have a bad game out
Speaker 1: of Patrick Mahomes with a couple interceptions, you can win
Speaker 1: in so many different ways. And the Chiefs get better
Speaker 1: and better every week. And that's sort of my biggest
Speaker 1: takeaway Nick that like, yeah, the passing game is going
Speaker 1: to have some issues, but you can't look at this
Speaker 1: team now in week seven and not say, man, they
Speaker 1: look like a better team than they were in week
Speaker 1: two in week three, so to me, they're no longer
Speaker 1: winning ugly. They were just winning playing good football. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you got to fix the turnover problem, but to me
Speaker 1: it feels a little fluky in terms of Mahomes's interceptions.
Speaker 1: They got the job done today.
Speaker 2: I mean, it depends on how you define ugly, because
Speaker 2: those who like defensive battles say it's beautiful. Those who
Speaker 2: like offensive showdowns will say this one was ugly. It
Speaker 2: wasn't the prettiest, but it speaks to where the Chiefs
Speaker 2: are right now. We've been down this road before. We
Speaker 2: were here last season doubting the Chiefs down the stretch.
Speaker 2: They don't have enough weapons, they're not putting it together.
Speaker 2: They go on a hot streak, they win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: They're getting hot earlier than they did last year. They're
Speaker 2: so hot they're still undefeated. But it's the fact that
Speaker 2: they can win a game where Mahomes throws two picks
Speaker 2: because their defense is so good. They forced three picks
Speaker 2: on brock Purty and have the entire forty nine offense
Speaker 2: in hell. And that's the sign of a complete team.
Speaker 2: At the team that's obviously won two straight Super Bowls.
Speaker 2: They know how to get it done, even on the road,
Speaker 2: and they come in there when their quarterbacks not having
Speaker 2: the best day, but he still contributes by trucking somebody
Speaker 2: on the goal line. You get three and a half
Speaker 2: yards of carry, which isn't great out of Kareem Hunt,
Speaker 2: but it's enough to steady them. He scores two touchdowns
Speaker 2: and you walk away with an emphatic victory that statistically
Speaker 2: doesn't look great, but it doesn't matter because you keep
Speaker 2: stacking those wins.
Speaker 1: Right, It's a game where there's five interceptions no touchdowns
Speaker 1: by brock perty and Patrick Mahomes, And it was a
Speaker 1: reminder for what I saw when I did a Super
Speaker 1: Bowl rewatch. At some point it was in training camp,
Speaker 1: and there was a reminder that that was like a
Speaker 1: very defensive game. I mean, yeah, the forty nine Ers
Speaker 1: defense played more than well enough to win the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs defense obviously did too, and then both
Speaker 1: quarterbacks had really heroic moments. It was a great game
Speaker 1: back and forth. This was not a great game back
Speaker 1: and forth. This was two really good defenses and an
Speaker 1: efficient Chiefs offense. So I got some next gen stats?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Going into this week, the Chiefs actually were second in
Speaker 1: the league in terms of success rate, behind only the Lions,
Speaker 1: who actually had the highest success rate of any team
Speaker 1: since two thousand and six, which is crazy. So the
Speaker 1: Chiefs are second in the league in success rate. So
Speaker 1: they're very efficient. When people, I think sometimes commentators overuse
Speaker 1: the word efficient, it just means like they're not that
Speaker 1: good sometimes, But it's true. The Chiefs are really efficient,
Speaker 1: and yet they have the second lowest explosive play rate
Speaker 1: in the entire NFL. So it's what your eyes are
Speaker 1: telling you. They are just a slow moving offense. Their
Speaker 1: run game actually this season had the lowest explosive rate
Speaker 1: play rate since two thousand and six, which is outrageous.
Speaker 1: They just can't pop like a ten to fifteen yard run. Now,
Speaker 1: this game was a little different. Mahomes he had the
Speaker 1: rushing touchdown, and I thought that maybe the biggest play
Speaker 1: in the game was where he ran along the sideline
Speaker 1: when it was very much still up in doubt and
Speaker 1: he did that voodoo where he fakes the pass when
Speaker 1: he's passed the line of scrimmage and the linebacker falls
Speaker 1: forward anyways, and he ends up with thirty three yards
Speaker 1: down the sideline. That's an explosive run. You got a
Speaker 1: twenty yard run from Nicole Hardman, you had a nice
Speaker 1: seamball to Noah Gray, and Sabaji p Ryan had a
Speaker 1: like a screen pass that went for twenty two. That
Speaker 1: counts as explosive. So they had a couple more big
Speaker 1: plays today, and yet it's still is a struggle. Travis Kelce,
Speaker 1: you know, doesn't have a big day. Five targets, only
Speaker 1: seventeen yards, and I just look at this running game.
Speaker 1: Cream Hunt goes twenty two for seventy eight. They picked
Speaker 1: up the yards when they needed it, and it's like, like,
Speaker 1: I guess they don't need more. I don't know like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of it. My thought
Speaker 1: is Patrick that they like they'll figure out how to
Speaker 1: get more in the end, and for now they don't
Speaker 1: need more.
Speaker 7: Well, it's almost like, so they get that one rushing
Speaker 7: attempt for Xavier Worthy coming back around and it's like, okay,
Speaker 7: well here's here's the explosive opportunity. Right, it gets five
Speaker 7: yards And if it's not Exavier Worthy, then then what
Speaker 7: are you You're relying on late stage Kareem Hunt to
Speaker 7: make a play.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's Patrick Mahomes doing the.
Speaker 1: Do Mahomes had Worthy wide open deep and overthrew. That
Speaker 1: was surprising on one play and then they use you
Speaker 1: know on that play you mentioned it Worthy. He got
Speaker 1: hit so hard. It's something that Bomani Jones said that
Speaker 1: stuck with me on his podcast, just like he didn't
Speaker 1: think Xavier Worthy would was like just wait enough to
Speaker 1: be a regular NFL player like this and I and
Speaker 1: that that hit made me wonder. Sometimes you do think, like, man,
Speaker 1: this guy cannot take too many hits. He's gonna have
Speaker 1: to be careful.
Speaker 7: Well, and I think one thing they could be contextualized there,
Speaker 7: Musifer's hit a lot of people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very hard.
Speaker 7: He's trying to cover and hit Patrick Mahomes at the
Speaker 7: same time, like coming back at the goal line like that.
Speaker 7: That's tough to do, yes, And so like I it's
Speaker 7: a wonder as a one to one comparison because there
Speaker 7: were blockers and Husifer eluded to blockers, and all of
Speaker 7: a sudden he's in Worthy's face and it's like, you know,
Speaker 7: he's not necessarily trying to to run somebody over at
Speaker 7: that point. It's it's it's going to be a slog,
Speaker 7: right for case, It's gonna feel like a slog, like
Speaker 7: I scoffed it.
Speaker 3: You guys, you had I think Cynthia picked twenty eight points.
Speaker 7: You picked twenty five points in this game, and I'm
Speaker 7: thinking the Chase aren't scoring that many points against San Francisco. No,
Speaker 7: they just, as you pointed out efficient twenty two first downs.
Speaker 3: I mean, they just go out there and get yards.
Speaker 1: That number says it like what I was just saying,
Speaker 1: twenty two first downs but only three hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: nine yards in eight for fourteen on third down. They've
Speaker 1: just sort of figured out situational football right now. They
Speaker 1: have a couple turnovers and let's be real it's it's
Speaker 1: about the defense. They played press coverage today on sixty
Speaker 1: percent of their snaps, their highest rate of the year.
Speaker 1: They did not allow a completion on those press coverage snaps,
Speaker 1: oh for five. At first, I was thinking, like, how
Speaker 1: did Purty only get off five snaps if they're playing
Speaker 1: that on But it's because he was scrambling around, because
Speaker 1: he's throwing interceptions, because he's he's taking some sacks, not
Speaker 1: a ton of sacks, but Carl Loftis had a big
Speaker 1: one and had a big quarterback hit in a big spot,
Speaker 1: and they just didn't value what they were looking at
Speaker 1: on the other side of the football. And that brings
Speaker 1: us to the biggest takeaway from this game, which is
Speaker 1: that Brandon Ayuk left with a knee injury and Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan said that he fears it's a torn ACL. Generally,
Speaker 1: when they say that, that means the initial tests are
Speaker 1: it's a torn ACL, but the MRI that they do
Speaker 1: that night or the next day can sometimes tell a
Speaker 1: different story that has happened. It's not too often and
Speaker 1: that obviously would be just a devastating blow for Brandon
Speaker 1: Ayuk and this forty nine ers team. They also were
Speaker 1: without Deebo Samuel for almost this entire game. He was
Speaker 1: listed with an illness late It was not on the
Speaker 1: injury report, but he had something come up over the weekend.
Speaker 1: It was also a weekend where Diana Rassini of the
Speaker 1: Athletic throughout there that he's a name to watch in
Speaker 1: trade talks, which I found interesting. I can't imagine that
Speaker 1: would be the case if Brandon Ayuk is out for
Speaker 1: the season, because they certainly need Deebo Samuel. Jacob Cowen
Speaker 1: stepped in this game. Ricky Piersoll, played for the first
Speaker 1: time as a pro, caught three passes. Cowen was pretty explosive,
Speaker 1: but yeah, like one of those three pretty interceptions Nick
Speaker 1: was throwing to Ronnie Bell, where Ronnie Bell just looked
Speaker 1: like he was going the wrong way. The other two
Speaker 1: interceptions were pretty ugly, just one bad throw by Purdy
Speaker 1: and one of his worst games I would say as
Speaker 1: a pro, and another bad throw where he was getting
Speaker 1: hit at the same time but as Tom Brady liked
Speaker 1: to point out, like he didn't know where he was looking. Anyways.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady was very hard on Brock Purty in this game,
Speaker 1: and I got to admit, Chuck I liked it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that clip I already saw twice where Tom Brady's
Speaker 2: just like, even if he gets a clean throw off,
Speaker 2: I don't know where he's going. Brock Purtty is the
Speaker 2: tendency to have these days against good defenses occasionally. But
Speaker 2: the whole Deebo Samuel idea that he could be traded,
Speaker 2: it just blows my mind because as soon as you
Speaker 2: take him out of the game, and especially when I
Speaker 2: have Christian McCaffrey, you realize that you've lost the key
Speaker 2: to that unlocks this offense. Why would you even consider
Speaker 2: tossing the key in the river for whatever you might
Speaker 2: get out of it like that? Just that makes no
Speaker 2: sense to me at all. And if Ike's down like
Speaker 2: we think he is, I feel like that's going to disappear,
Speaker 2: because he's absolutely an essential part, especially if they don't
Speaker 2: have IU.
Speaker 1: I think they'd only do it depending if they believe
Speaker 1: they need something else on their team that they could
Speaker 1: get us back this year for Deebo that they could
Speaker 1: get back. And I hear what you're saying, Nick, and
Speaker 1: I think it's true with Auk out of the lineup,
Speaker 1: but he's just been up and down getting them and
Speaker 1: maybe there's there's more to the story that then we
Speaker 1: really know that they would consider that it might just
Speaker 1: be about the contract, but I'm with you, it doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense. Juwan Jennings was also out for this
Speaker 1: game with an injury, so they were just really shorthanded,
Speaker 1: and Jordan Mason did play despite his shoulder injury, came
Speaker 1: up short from a couple of touchdowns. They did not
Speaker 1: run the ball well for most of the game. Popped
Speaker 1: a couple like in the second half, but for the
Speaker 1: most part it was their defense just hanging on.
Speaker 3: Try.
Speaker 1: I kind to keep a minute, But Kyle Shanahan, he
Speaker 1: just must feel like like he's got a Kansas City
Speaker 1: Chiefs problem and he's sick of it.
Speaker 10: There's no way to sugarcoat that.
Speaker 2: We got our ass kick today.
Speaker 10: Lots of reasons for it, but those are things that
Speaker 10: they don't need to sit and think about today.
Speaker 2: We'll dress all those tomorrow.
Speaker 10: We'll get together, we'll go through the truth of the
Speaker 10: whole tape and you know, be hard on each other
Speaker 10: and find a way to put it to bed so
Speaker 10: we can come out here and make sure we put
Speaker 10: our best foot forward and find a way to get
Speaker 10: a win versus.
Speaker 1: Allis three and four on the season. The forty nine
Speaker 1: ers are just not having a good time right now.
Speaker 1: That that under wins total I took in the over
Speaker 1: under wins total draft. I'm tracking these. That's pretty good
Speaker 1: right now. You know what, who else is looking good?
Speaker 1: Jordan Love? Let's go to Lambo off the left hash
Speaker 1: for the pattern.
Speaker 4: Eleven years out of Temple. Brandon McManus Super Bowl winner with.
Speaker 1: Denver Packards along the sidelines.
Speaker 4: Hand in hand. Here's the snap, Love, Snap, It's been made.
Speaker 11: Kicked to the upright, Yes, God, Yes, God, breen.
Speaker 1: By the Packers, pep one.
Speaker 4: Brandon McManus. Forty five yard field goal.
Speaker 12: Who welcome to Free's.
Speaker 1: Bay, Wayne Laravie and w R and W Yes Brandon
Speaker 1: McManus speaking of setting up kickers, Yo, in a spot
Speaker 1: that maybe you're having a little too confident in your kicker.
Speaker 1: The Packers took a lot of time setting that field
Speaker 1: goal up and were bailed out, frankly, not just by McManus,
Speaker 1: but by Romeo Dobbs, who made a fantastic catch. Was
Speaker 1: it on third down? I don't even know, but over
Speaker 1: the middle on a slant to set up that forty
Speaker 1: five yard field goal. Yes McManus, the new kicker for
Speaker 1: the Packers on a day that Jordan Love made some
Speaker 1: of the most beautiful throws that you'll ever see. And
Speaker 1: he had a couple interceptions as he's wont to do.
Speaker 1: Hence the far of comparisons. We'll get to that in
Speaker 1: a minute. But my thing Nick watching this was I
Speaker 1: saw one quarterback. There's two of my favorite young quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in league to watch, two top ten quarterbacks already in
Speaker 1: my mind and in your mind, I believe in the
Speaker 1: QB Index, that's where they're at. I saw one young
Speaker 1: quarterback who's getting supported by good offensive land line play.
Speaker 1: That's Jordan Love, by a good running game really that's
Speaker 1: both of them, and by excellent scheme guys getting open,
Speaker 1: the right talent around him, and cohesion in terms of
Speaker 1: being able to pick up the free blitzers, pick up stunts,
Speaker 1: and being put up in a situation to succeed. That's
Speaker 1: Jordan Loff ended up with three touchdowns two hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty yards on the day. On the other side, I
Speaker 1: saw a quarterback in CJ. Stroud that is not being
Speaker 1: said up to succeed when he's dropping back ten for
Speaker 1: twenty one eighty six yards, and you could put some
Speaker 1: of that on Stroud, but he was under pressure practically
Speaker 1: every snap. It looked like their offensive line has never
Speaker 1: seen a stunt in their life, unblocked defenders on every
Speaker 1: other play and then running the ball. Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: see that. Joe Mixon had a lot of big runs
Speaker 1: and did have a nice day, but they had a
Speaker 1: ton of negative runs and a ton of run stuffs.
Speaker 1: They ran the ball on first down nine out of
Speaker 1: ten times after halftime, So predictable play calling, terrible offensive
Speaker 1: line play, And to me, that was really the difference,
Speaker 1: because I think both of these quarterbacks were game. They
Speaker 1: both had great two minute drives at the end of
Speaker 1: the game to you know, really set up their teams
Speaker 1: to win. Stroud had a ridiculously good pass to put
Speaker 1: them ahead on a field goal that was before that
Speaker 1: field goal drive. But it was one sided to me
Speaker 1: in terms of the schematics, in terms of the offensive coaching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that explains the extreme emphasis on the run,
Speaker 2: which is that the Texans and other offensive line is
Speaker 2: no good when it comes to pass protection, and the
Speaker 2: only way to keep a defense honest is to get
Speaker 2: the run. Game going, which is why they're turning to
Speaker 2: that so often. But the book is out on them.
Speaker 2: I hate to say it, but the book is out
Speaker 2: of them. It's been out on them since that Viking's lost.
Speaker 2: They can't pass protect CJ has been dealing with chaos
Speaker 2: all season. He does not look like he's playing with
Speaker 2: the same comfort, not because of him, but because of
Speaker 2: the offensive line that he did last year. So everything
Speaker 2: around him kind of falls apart because they have a
Speaker 2: lot of weapons around him. They got a lot of talent.
Speaker 2: Joe Mixon had a nice day, but he's not supported
Speaker 2: in the same way, like you said, So he's being
Speaker 2: asked to be a hero because he has no other choice.
Speaker 2: And that's how you get a stat line in a
Speaker 2: game like this, you know, against the defense that has
Speaker 2: recognized that. I go back to the Vikings game because
Speaker 2: we know Brian Flores loves the blitz. Well, this game,
Speaker 2: it's not even so much that they needed to blitz,
Speaker 2: it's just the fact that they're getting pressure regardless. They
Speaker 2: blitzed five times and they still got, you know, a
Speaker 2: pressure rate of nearly fifty percent. That speaks to your
Speaker 2: offensive line. You're setting your quarterback up for failure. No
Speaker 2: matter how good he is, he still needs time to throw.
Speaker 2: So that's the achilles heel on them. That's the weakness
Speaker 2: that people probably aren't paying attention to. That are going
Speaker 2: to pay attention to it now because they lost a
Speaker 2: game like this.
Speaker 1: They simulated the pressure on because I could have sworn
Speaker 1: they were blitz in the whole game. I'm glad you
Speaker 1: did that, but they were showing blitz and Halfley Jeff Hafley,
Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator, got a game ball after the game.
Speaker 1: I watched the postgame locker room thing, and it was
Speaker 1: a lot of simulated pressure and a lot of confusion.
Speaker 1: And as good as the run game looks on paper,
Speaker 1: their success rate was very low. Joe Mixon still only
Speaker 1: thirty six percent six run stuff so negative, a lot
Speaker 1: of run negative runs that put them in tough situations.
Speaker 1: And give credit to the Packers defense, which was flying
Speaker 1: around and they really should have won this game by more.
Speaker 1: They lost the turnover battle three to nothing. They were
Speaker 1: being put in a bad spot once in the red
Speaker 1: zone a special teams fumble by Green Bay and then
Speaker 1: twice on those Jordan Love interceptions, and the defense really
Speaker 1: stood up tall and won the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, and it wasn't the traditional muffkick.
Speaker 7: It was Balentine, one of the up guys, just kind
Speaker 7: of being you know, it's one of those Peter Peter
Speaker 7: Peters situations like, hey, watch.
Speaker 3: Off for the football fire fire And no he didn't
Speaker 3: ball hits him. Texans able to recover that.
Speaker 7: But but again, Packers defense stands up and you know,
Speaker 7: you guys talked about pressure when they actually did get pressure,
Speaker 7: not a simulated pressure, when they actually got pressure on CJ. Stroud,
Speaker 7: he was three of nine with a forty eight point
Speaker 7: four passer rating. That was the type of circumstances he
Speaker 7: was in. But yeah, Jordan Love was it was feast
Speaker 7: or famine. That was what Mark Ross was saying while
Speaker 7: we're watching this game on Game Day Live. It was
Speaker 7: either going great for the Packers and Jordan Love is
Speaker 7: throwing this dime getting past the fingertips of a defender,
Speaker 7: or it's gone absolutely horrible. And on the final drive,
Speaker 7: Jordan Love threw a fade away yolo ball to Tom
Speaker 7: Davian Wicks that could have easily got picked off and
Speaker 7: they could have lost the game, leading to you know,
Speaker 7: some conversation about a.
Speaker 1: Certainly that the one over the middle, you mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: in the end zone. That was a perfect play to
Speaker 1: bring up because it was like one inch away from
Speaker 1: being a huge gainer, yeah, and not getting tipped in
Speaker 1: a really nice but one inch, but it was tipped,
Speaker 1: and then it was like one inch away from getting
Speaker 1: intercepted and would have been his third interception on the
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not kidding about the boom and buss.
Speaker 1: He had the two interceptions. They also had one two
Speaker 1: four to three and outs and a four and out.
Speaker 1: So like, this was a game that had a little
Speaker 1: bit of everything. I think it was a really good game.
Speaker 1: A lot of off you know, not a lot of
Speaker 1: offense total yards wise. In fact, in the second half
Speaker 1: there was a sequence where Texans punted four straight times
Speaker 1: and the Packers punted three straight times. And yet there
Speaker 1: were some beautiful throws by Jordan Love. The touchdown to
Speaker 1: Wicks was awesome. The dime to Tucker Craft over the
Speaker 1: middle was just a beautiful throw and a catch. That's
Speaker 1: one where I want to see the end zone angle
Speaker 1: because I just know it's going to be so pretty.
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs ran really well. Joe Mixon is reborn, is
Speaker 1: running really hard when he gets a little bit of
Speaker 1: a lane. It was awesome c J Stroud for everything
Speaker 1: I said that he struggled, like the throw he had
Speaker 1: to Xavier Hutchinson, which would have been our highlight to
Speaker 1: start the game. It was on a third and long,
Speaker 1: totally under pressure, ended up getting the Texans even closer
Speaker 1: for their field goal, but also killed the clock and
Speaker 1: took away the Packers. I mean, that was c J.
Speaker 1: Stroud in a nutshell.
Speaker 12: It was.
Speaker 1: It was a little bit of everything. It was a
Speaker 1: fun game. These two teams are five and two. And
Speaker 1: as I mentioned at the top of the show, and
Speaker 1: I guess as Mark Ross was saying, yeah, Jordan Love
Speaker 1: is getting a lot of these Brett Fav comparisons and
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur doesn't want to hear him.
Speaker 5: Hopefully we can put him in better situations so he's
Speaker 5: not throwing, you know, picks, So all you talking heads
Speaker 5: out there can ease on the Brett Farv comparisons.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, now even Lafleur is jumping in, and I
Speaker 1: see this on Packers Twitter. All these Packers fans are like,
Speaker 1: oh no, he's another Farv, Like oh he's another Fuff
Speaker 1: are you are you? Are you crazy? This man won
Speaker 1: three straight mvbs. I'm not talking about Brett Favre the man.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Brett Favre the player. If you could
Speaker 1: tell me or Packers fans that you're gonna get Brett
Speaker 1: Farv's career right now, he's a first ballot Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: Like I said, like, what are the best players in
Speaker 1: the league for most of his career? What are we
Speaker 1: talking about here?
Speaker 7: Yeah, you take that, you take that every opportunity. But
Speaker 7: I don't know if that's the context. I don't know
Speaker 7: if that's the context.
Speaker 1: They're saying, Yeah, he's taking a lot of chances, so
Speaker 1: he's throwing a lot of picks, Like yeah, that's okay,
Speaker 1: Like sometimes picks aren't like the total end of the world. Oh,
Speaker 1: the total package is working. And I'm just saying, like
Speaker 1: people are using it like a slur when he's in
Speaker 1: all time great literally three straight mbps. He's the only
Speaker 1: person to ever do that.
Speaker 2: Nick Schuck, Yeah, he'll he'll break past that if he
Speaker 2: can actually get rid of the tendency. Because the reason
Speaker 2: the reason the Packers fans feel this way is because
Speaker 2: they saw the first half of last season and they
Speaker 2: saw himself destruct and make, you know, try throws that
Speaker 2: would kill drives where they just need to get in
Speaker 2: field goal range and stuff like that. If he actually
Speaker 2: shakes it off over the long haul and wins games
Speaker 2: like this, even with a pick or two, then you'll
Speaker 2: take it because the results will follow, like they did
Speaker 2: with Brett Farvis. Just we're so early in of course
Speaker 2: they're going to throw.
Speaker 1: It, but it's worth it. I love it. It's entertaining,
Speaker 1: it's it's just crazy, like people over eight interceptions. Just
Speaker 1: a little bit. I was listening to the Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: on Chris Longs a green Light podcast, and Flacco was
Speaker 1: talking about last year with the Browns, just like, hey,
Speaker 1: he's too old to worry about interceptions. He's trying to win,
Speaker 1: and I know what he meant, like, sometimes being aggressive
Speaker 1: is worth it. And when you're Jordan Love, now is
Speaker 1: that time all right? Before we move on from this game,
Speaker 1: I do just want to hear Stefan Diggs talk about
Speaker 1: his rivalry with Dayr Alexander. They got into a pregame
Speaker 1: shoving match, and this just made me happy. Credit here
Speaker 1: to Chancellor TV on Twitter.
Speaker 13: I always walking to the locker room in the beginning
Speaker 13: of the game when I heard somebody chirping, and I'm
Speaker 13: never the bigger person. So that's about myself, or for
Speaker 13: a minute, so I'm never a bigger person. I ain't
Speaker 13: let you go.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 13: Obviously they picked it up or whatever, but I ain't
Speaker 13: with the football talk, guys, is what it is.
Speaker 2: Put it on the wall. I love person.
Speaker 3: It's going on a quote graphic and it's gonna have
Speaker 3: some it's gonna do numbers.
Speaker 1: Ultimately, I absolutely love it. Yeah, he wasn't. I mean,
Speaker 1: these these two teams were fighting all day long. It
Speaker 1: was like a rivalry game, except it was Texans Packers.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Finally, just like a little bit of love to this
Speaker 1: this safety group for the Packers. Evan Williams, huge plays
Speaker 1: in this game, huge open field tackle on a two
Speaker 1: point conversion, Zavery McKinney, big time sack, keeps getting it done.
Speaker 1: And uh, like I said, Romeo Dobbs is awesome. Maybe
Speaker 1: he should have been upset. He should be a big
Speaker 1: part of the game plan when they needed to play today.
Speaker 1: It was to Romeo Dobs eight for ninety four. But
Speaker 1: the quality of those catches, the quality of those routes.
Speaker 1: He was putting people in the dirt. Sometimes it was
Speaker 1: Derek Stingley. Like good players, everyone got the business from
Speaker 1: Robo Dobbs a really underrated player and was really important
Speaker 1: in winning a game. Like I said, they lost the
Speaker 1: turnover battle three to nothing, but their defense and yes,
Speaker 1: Jordan Love got it done. Let's take a quick break,
Speaker 1: fun start to this week seven recap.
Speaker 14: Hurts him a gun gang weell to his one bullshit.
Speaker 14: AJ Brown hurts, takes the slam, he's back, he steps up,
Speaker 14: he lets it go out.
Speaker 4: Of this cart and the cuts down.
Speaker 12: Hey, jet it Brown.
Speaker 3: Well, there's a question, go to a J. Brown.
Speaker 14: You cannot throw a ball anymore perfectly my mind.
Speaker 1: Mike Quick He's right, and uh what Jail It hurts
Speaker 1: things certainly if you've watched the last two weeks of
Speaker 1: Eagles football twenty eight to three. Yes, Nick Sirianni going
Speaker 1: for it in a couple of big spots in this
Speaker 1: game on fourth down and his team came through for him.
Speaker 1: Brown with the forty one yard touchdown reception that was
Speaker 1: w ip. Of course, Merril Reese, the Great Merril Reese
Speaker 1: starting the call. Saquon Barkley, Patrick returned to the meadowlands.
Speaker 1: And I didn't watch this game as close as you did.
Speaker 1: Did we have a lot of shots to the owner's
Speaker 1: booth because I don't think John Morrow was happy watching
Speaker 1: Saquon go seventeen for one to seventy six at a touchdown.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we didn't. Early of course he came out. He
Speaker 7: DAPs off John Hower before the game. There's there's shots
Speaker 7: of jerseys being burned and all of that type of chicanery. Well,
Speaker 7: hopefully somebody got the tattered jersey out of the fire pit, because.
Speaker 3: That that made me once.
Speaker 7: Remember, Saquon had his second highest rushing yards total of
Speaker 7: his career in his first career game against his former.
Speaker 1: It only seventeen carries in a.
Speaker 7: Game that started punt punt punt Azizo Jalari Brian Burns.
Speaker 7: This this Giants defense playing well, having to deal with
Speaker 7: an offense that was really doing nothing. That the Eagles
Speaker 7: go punt punt punt, there's a second down and Saquon
Speaker 7: pops off for fifty five yard. Later on they score
Speaker 7: on that drive. Then that next drive, the play that
Speaker 7: we just saw the Giants defense force is a fourth
Speaker 7: and three. For some reason, they got their fifth stringer
Speaker 7: matched up against aj Brown one on one with no help.
Speaker 1: Was that like Nick McLeod, Yeah, they probably thought they
Speaker 1: were running it there and they did not.
Speaker 7: They did not They could throw to Aj as Jalen
Speaker 7: was more than comfortable doing. After that, it's it's pretty
Speaker 7: much it's pretty much over Daniel Jones. Well not Daniel Jones,
Speaker 7: because eventually we did get to see Drew Locke, but
Speaker 7: eight sacks for this Philadelphia Eagles defense a litany of players.
Speaker 7: This wasn't just Jalen Carter going off. This was I
Speaker 7: think six Eagles got sex in this game.
Speaker 1: When Bryce Huff gets a sacked and you know it's healthy.
Speaker 3: Sorry Bryce Hoff's return to met life.
Speaker 1: I gotta say those Well, these last two weeks have
Speaker 1: been really big, I think for the Eagles in their defense,
Speaker 1: because they really struggled at the beginning of the year.
Speaker 1: And yes, you got to play Deshaun Watson and Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones back to back weeks, but you've racked up huge
Speaker 1: sack totals and they've kind of shown, Okay, we can
Speaker 1: beat up on really bad offenses, which I didn't think
Speaker 1: this defense necessarily was capable of. And everyone's eating at
Speaker 1: least since thereby, as you mentioned, Nolan Smith playing pretty
Speaker 1: well too. Daniel Jones gets benched Nick and after the
Speaker 1: game Brian Dable said Daniel Jones will be his quarterback.
Speaker 1: The score was twenty eight to three at the time.
Speaker 1: He said he wanted to see if Drew Locke could
Speaker 1: provide a little bit of a spark narrator. He did
Speaker 1: not provide a spark. Did not. He had eight attempts
Speaker 1: for a total of six yards, So not even Malik
Speaker 1: Neighbors could could save him here. Yeah, really one sided
Speaker 1: and really starting to look like that Seattle win was
Speaker 1: like the high point of this Giant season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I love to give their front
Speaker 2: a lot of credit because that is the strength of
Speaker 2: their team. But when your offense is this bad, I mean, look,
Speaker 2: the Eagles blitzed once. They got eight sacks, and they
Speaker 2: blitzed once the entire day two point five percent according
Speaker 2: to next Gen Status. That's bad, guys, that's bad for
Speaker 2: Giants defensive loss. Also, can I push back against the
Speaker 2: spark thing? When has the spark ever worked? Coaches? Oh,
Speaker 2: we're looking for a spark. No, you're just looking for
Speaker 2: a change, because you know what's going on right now
Speaker 2: is not gonna work for you, rough, ugly day, but
Speaker 2: the sweet, sweet taste of revenge for Saquon Barkley. God,
Speaker 2: it's gotta feel good to average ten point four yards
Speaker 2: of pop against your former team.
Speaker 1: So he averaged five point four four rushing yards over
Speaker 1: expected per attempt, Like that's a good deal, that's that's
Speaker 1: totally preposterous. He popped three long runs in this game,
Speaker 1: and he didn't hit any of them for a touchdown.
Speaker 1: So after the game he was like, I gotta go
Speaker 1: back and work on that. He said it with a
Speaker 1: straight face too. I think he was. I mean, athletes
Speaker 1: are built different than us. You know, I would have
Speaker 1: been happy after the game, and I think he was happy,
Speaker 1: but not about that. Let's actually listen to to Saquon.
Speaker 3: That was crazy. That was crazy.
Speaker 15: I mean, I've seen my jersey get learned before over
Speaker 15: on social media, but the timing of it, Like, I'm
Speaker 15: locked in, I'm listening to my music and I see
Speaker 15: like the fans and all see his fans just pointing,
Speaker 15: and I look and I'm like what are they pointing at?
Speaker 15: And I see smoking. I'm just like in my jersey again,
Speaker 15: Burnt So Yeah, that was definitely different. I don't know
Speaker 15: if I ever experienced anything like that in my life,
Speaker 15: and you know, hopefully I don't experience that again.
Speaker 1: But in that moment, I was I was ready for
Speaker 1: thirty one.
Speaker 13: Let's just say that.
Speaker 1: Ah, that is crazy. Oh they showed it on the
Speaker 1: jumbo tron. Now I'm picking it out through the context.
Speaker 1: Was that absolutely not? Still?
Speaker 2: Yes, then the drive in to MetLife. By the way,
Speaker 2: the driving to MetLife is unique in that you go
Speaker 2: around the entire tailgate lot on the team buses.
Speaker 1: I experienced it that that's what he's talking about.
Speaker 2: They will flip the burn at you. You get an
Speaker 2: up close and personal look at everybody tailgating and they
Speaker 2: know that's your bus. So they had that planned talk
Speaker 2: about motivation message to every fan. If for a player
Speaker 2: shows up but he's coming by your tailgate lot, don't
Speaker 2: burn his jersey unless you want to have a bad day.
Speaker 1: Well, he's like one of the greatest, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: players in your history, certainly one of the best running
Speaker 1: backs that we've seen rough And yes, I mentioned Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts that that sequence to me where he threw that
Speaker 1: touch on was Jalen Hurts in a nutshell because he
Speaker 1: passed on a wide open receiver on third down and
Speaker 1: just held the ball and threw it out of bounds.
Speaker 1: But then he hits a beautiful go ball. Only throwed
Speaker 1: the ball fourteen times in this game. Dexter Lawrence, shout
Speaker 1: out to him. Leading the NFL in sacks as a
Speaker 1: nose tackle is just preposterous. Uh, making a run for
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year as a nose tackle on
Speaker 1: a bad team. That has happened in the NFL before.
Speaker 1: Can you name the man who did.
Speaker 3: That nose tackle on the bad team?
Speaker 2: I mean the first interior linement. I think outside of
Speaker 2: like Aaron Donald will be like Warren Sapp, But I
Speaker 2: think we got to go back further than that.
Speaker 3: It's like Albert Hansworth.
Speaker 1: It is Cortes Kennedy. I believe it was a lousy
Speaker 1: Seahawks team, but he was just so good that they
Speaker 1: gave him the award. So maybe Saquon I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence. We'll get that done. Let's go to Seattle
Speaker 1: versus the Falcons. I don't think there's any Defensive Players
Speaker 1: of the Year candidates in this game. There wasn't a
Speaker 1: lot of defense, at least not for the Falcons.
Speaker 4: Three receivers left Gino from the shotgun DK on the
Speaker 4: numbers on the right side. Snap Gino steps up the boys.
Speaker 11: One man lands it over the top Walker cut down,
Speaker 11: Sayhawks Ken Walker. The third reaching up making a diving
Speaker 11: reception in the front corner of the end zone from
Speaker 11: seventeen out.
Speaker 4: What a drive by the Seahawks.
Speaker 11: Thank you penalty, but the Seahawks cash it in and
Speaker 11: extend their lead twenty.
Speaker 4: Three to fourteen.
Speaker 1: Ooh, ken Walker get it done as a receiver. My god,
Speaker 1: what an improved player. I know he was good to
Speaker 1: begin with, but to me, he is just a better
Speaker 1: player than he used to move thirty four to fourteen
Speaker 1: Seahawks offense rolls in Atlanta. By the end of this game,
Speaker 1: Michael Pennix is playing football at the national professional level. Here.
Speaker 1: Nick Schook did not expect this to be this one sided.
Speaker 1: But it was a good day for my boy Gino,
Speaker 1: wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Oh you're gonna love it when he takes a deep
Speaker 2: dive in this game, Greg, because this is a classic
Speaker 2: Geno game. I mean, they have the ball inside of
Speaker 2: two minutes. There's like eight seconds left in the clock.
Speaker 2: He drops back and fires a strike down the middle
Speaker 2: of the field of dk among a sea of Falcons
Speaker 2: for a touchdown that makes it seventeen to seven. He
Speaker 2: drops that Dimon Kenneth Walker, who by the way, ran
Speaker 2: a fantastic rout out of the backfield. He kind of
Speaker 2: like hesitated and just shook the defender there before making
Speaker 2: that spectacular grab, and then Gino's day is basically hasn't done.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have to do much else because they get
Speaker 2: a strip zach on Kirk Cousins. It starts off a
Speaker 2: chain of three straight turnovers. Derek Hall picks it up
Speaker 2: and rumbles down the field and Witherspoon throws a block
Speaker 2: on a lineman down the field, I think it was
Speaker 2: Kayleb McGarry, and he gets in the end zone for
Speaker 2: a sixty four yard Almoll return touchdown, and just like
Speaker 2: that at thirty one to fourteen, and the Falcons can
Speaker 2: say good night because they had nothing left to do
Speaker 2: after that except well, Kirk had to throw let's see
Speaker 2: two more picks. One through the hands of Drake London,
Speaker 2: not his fault, second one definitely his fault. Everything unraveled.
Speaker 2: It was a winnable game, and it suddenly became a
Speaker 2: very unwinnable game for the Falcons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I should have mentioned at the top, this is
Speaker 1: our Sunday Drive presented by the all new hybrid Toyota Camry,
Speaker 1: and yeah, we only the best for an epic geno game,
Speaker 1: and yeah this maybe this defense can improve too. I
Speaker 1: think they probably feel fortunate that the Falcons didn't run
Speaker 1: the ball as much as they could have. Their success
Speaker 1: rate was sky high. Bajon Robinson goes over one hundred yards,
Speaker 1: Tyler Algier five for thirty six, and yet it was
Speaker 1: a kind of a pass happy effort by the Falcons,
Speaker 1: who you know, week after week. I keep looking at
Speaker 1: that stat in the in the next gen stats like
Speaker 1: play action. Are they doing anything with Kirk again three
Speaker 1: for four in this game? And I think this points
Speaker 1: out kind of their imitations, because the Seahawks were getting
Speaker 1: gassed by play action all season long, getting gashed by
Speaker 1: the running game. But the Falcons don't really have that
Speaker 1: club in their bag and they couldn't go to it today.
Speaker 7: Well, they were getting gashed in the run game. Ultimately,
Speaker 7: what you had nick watching this game was defensive coordinator
Speaker 7: Eugene Cyril Smith like Gino was so hot that the
Speaker 7: Falcons gave up on the run. We were in the
Speaker 7: second We're in the second half and Bijon Robinson was
Speaker 7: averaging seven yards of carry and Tyler Algee was out
Speaker 7: averaging nine. The Falcons were running the ball well, Seahawks
Speaker 7: giving up big plays.
Speaker 3: They struggled to corral Bijon in the backfield.
Speaker 7: But ultimately, when Gino kept delivering time after time after time,
Speaker 7: the run game just went out the window. And there
Speaker 7: was that late touchdown to Drake London where the Falcons
Speaker 7: were in They were in the game, but the Hall
Speaker 7: fumble returned for the touchdown. It just all started to
Speaker 7: avalanche to the point where the Falcons could do nothing
Speaker 7: and scramble.
Speaker 3: Kirk started throwing picks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why I led with the Gino pass
Speaker 2: the DK because it gave him a ten point lead
Speaker 2: and kind of forced the Falcons to be a little
Speaker 2: bit one dimensional. They weren't out of the start. Out
Speaker 2: of the halftime, they went fourteen plays. Kirk goes seven
Speaker 2: for seven. They marched down the field relatively speaking to
Speaker 2: me to fourteen plays, but and scoring it's an emphatic
Speaker 2: drive like they score a touchdown. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 2: we got a ball game. They're coming right back. They
Speaker 2: punch him in the mouth and the Seahawks immediately respond
Speaker 2: the score another touchdown. They're just playing catch up the
Speaker 2: whole day before you know. It's a demonstration of how
Speaker 2: quickly a game can unravel too. If you turn the
Speaker 2: ball over in a back and forth affair like this,
Speaker 2: suddenly you're gonna be looking up and you're gonna be
Speaker 2: down by fifteen twenty points. And that's what happened.
Speaker 1: Let's listen to the Derek Hall fumble return touchdown, one
Speaker 1: of the more exciting moments of the day. And yeah,
Speaker 1: the decisive moment in this one.
Speaker 4: Boy and Mafe isn't there in an inside rushing position.
Speaker 3: Well, Robinson stays.
Speaker 4: In the backfield for Atlanta.
Speaker 11: Cousin scrambles, left side, gets hit, goes down, Maffay, ball
Speaker 11: comes down, ball.
Speaker 4: Rolling, click up, furth side gets haul.
Speaker 6: Down the farth side lone gas on a score touchdown,
Speaker 6: Say Hawks, Derreck.
Speaker 4: Hall all the shock bye boy buffing.
Speaker 1: Oh I love that call from Steve rabel K I
Speaker 1: r oh and yeah, players players matter. Having boy Mafey
Speaker 1: back is kind of a big deal. Having Byron Murphy
Speaker 1: back kind of a big deal. Draymont Jones goes for
Speaker 1: six pressures in this game, Leonard Williams five, Derek Hall seven.
Speaker 1: So offensive line struggling a little bit for Atlanta. Defense
Speaker 1: hasn't been amazing all year. And then how confident can
Speaker 1: you be in your starting quarterback when he's making a
Speaker 1: sound like this before the snap? Sorry, that's that's Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: I just I just wanted to is he saying, Carl shoffers, No,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's just yah. Really old school Kirk
Speaker 1: watchers will know every once in a while, he just
Speaker 1: has this squeak that comes out. Let's just listen to
Speaker 1: it one more time when he's called one more time. Sorry,
Speaker 1: So that's actually one from Minnesota. This is that. This
Speaker 1: is the Minnesota. Well, that's the Minnesota. And then this
Speaker 1: is the one we heard this morning. Okay, I don't
Speaker 1: so that. I don't know. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: intentional or what that is, but I love it.
Speaker 2: It's like a dog toy that's squeaking when he when
Speaker 2: they chew on it.
Speaker 1: Every once in a while, Yeah, voice cracks. It would
Speaker 1: happen to Tom Brady back in the day when when
Speaker 1: he when he was calling out signals and uh love
Speaker 1: that and Michael Pennox quarterback controversy one for one fourteen yards.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of glad shook that these both these teams
Speaker 1: are four and three. That feels right for them, Like
Speaker 1: five and two it would have been over there their
Speaker 1: skis like, uh, that long of a winning streak for
Speaker 1: this Falcon team wouldn't have felt right. A four game
Speaker 1: losing streak for the Seahawks wouldn't have felt right. They
Speaker 1: both feel like four and three teams and they're both
Speaker 1: at least the Seahawks are in first place. The Falcons
Speaker 1: will wait and find out about the Bucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you look at the little score bug during the game,
Speaker 2: and I looked down at the record and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's about right. I mean, it's good time to get
Speaker 2: back on the side of things after losing three straight.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much I really learned about them,
Speaker 2: other than the fact that Gino continues to be good
Speaker 2: and when he's not good, they at a losing games.
Speaker 1: I think that today, I think the thing we're going
Speaker 1: to learn is how much can Mike McDonald problem solve
Speaker 1: on defense like Seahawks fans are overreacting a little too
Speaker 1: much to their struggles, like it's a long they were
Speaker 1: heard season right, and they have a look they have
Speaker 1: a little bit of a lead in the NFC West.
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Speaker 1: reached the portion of the show where Nick Shook has
Speaker 1: to talk about the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 16: One forty left in the third it's third down for
Speaker 16: the Bengals, third down and four Burrow catches the shotgun
Speaker 16: snap throws caught by Higgins.
Speaker 4: Yeah, running to the tab.
Speaker 3: For your vibe.
Speaker 16: Touchdown down Bengals t Higgins high stepping it into the
Speaker 16: end zone and now he tosses the ball high into
Speaker 16: the air as he looks into the dog pound after
Speaker 16: that touchdown grab.
Speaker 1: That was Dan Hord and Dave Lapham of w c K.
Speaker 1: Why Yeah, Lapham might be passing Scott Zolak as the best.
Speaker 1: Yeah go, he's got him. It's like way less obnoxious
Speaker 1: to Higgins taking it in. T Higgins has quietly been
Speaker 1: awesome this year. He is back to twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: t Higgins. They only scored fourteen points on offense, but
Speaker 1: you get an opening kickoff return for a touchdown and
Speaker 1: usually you win the game. And the Bengals did. Browns
Speaker 1: get a late touchdown from their third quarterback to play today,
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston, And yeah, let's start there, because that's ultimately
Speaker 1: the story of the day. Nick Shook. The Cleveland Browns
Speaker 1: lost their starting quarterback Deshaun Watson to an achilles injury.
Speaker 1: Appears to be a torn achilles and it's hard not
Speaker 1: to think about what this all means for him and
Speaker 1: the team moving forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we'll learn that over time, because there's
Speaker 2: a lot of money in contract situation, everything else, a
Speaker 2: lot of decisions to be made. But in the short term,
Speaker 2: it was all right, Well, we've talked about Deshaun Watson,
Speaker 2: you know, and his place in this offense, being the
Speaker 2: worst starting quarterback in the NFL. Now he's out. Now
Speaker 2: let's see what they look like. And for a moment,
Speaker 2: Dorian Thompson Robinson gave him a little bit of life.
Speaker 2: He got took off a couple times with some read
Speaker 2: options and everything else, but he ends up getting hurt too,
Speaker 2: and James Winston comes in the offense. Is still not
Speaker 2: a good operation. Nick Chubb came back scored a touchdown
Speaker 2: that was great, but overall still not a good group.
Speaker 2: One cool nugget from research, though, because not often that
Speaker 2: you see three quarterbacks attempt to so many passes in
Speaker 2: a game. So according to the NFL research, the Browns
Speaker 2: are the first team to have three different players have
Speaker 2: ten plus pass attempts in a game since the Chiefs
Speaker 2: in Week seven of two thousand and eight. Could you
Speaker 2: guess those three quarterbacks?
Speaker 3: Guys?
Speaker 1: Okay, is Tyler Thigpen one of them?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Is Brody Croyle one of them?
Speaker 1: Yes? Holy cow?
Speaker 3: Can we do this?
Speaker 1: Damon?
Speaker 4: I can't believe we did that.
Speaker 3: That's yours.
Speaker 4: Let's go.
Speaker 1: We just won the Super Bowl because I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: gotten Croyle.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't know City, Alabama's own Brody Croyle.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have gotten Croyle. But my teammate picked me
Speaker 1: up and that closed that down with Damian Hewart. Holy
Speaker 1: Greg is right. Oh that is Nothing makes me happier
Speaker 1: than getting.
Speaker 2: That's the brightest spot about the Browns, By the way,
Speaker 2: their defense is still solid, but they're asked to do
Speaker 2: too much. Joe Burrow and the offense didn't score anything
Speaker 2: in the first half. Obviously, you know he runs an
Speaker 2: issues against this Browns defense, but they figured out the
Speaker 2: second half. Him and Jamar Chase and t Higgins. The
Speaker 2: rapport is almost unmatched in the NFL, and it was
Speaker 2: it was too much for the Browns to be able
Speaker 2: to stop in the second half. The Bengals man one
Speaker 2: two in a row. Let's go getting back in the
Speaker 2: right way.
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to come down from what just took
Speaker 1: place here. Although it is they're runing a little bit,
Speaker 1: it is reminded me of the worst quarterback matchup I've
Speaker 1: ever seen, maybe the worst game of all time, which
Speaker 1: was I think that season Brody Croyle versus Kellen Clemens
Speaker 1: of the Jets Weeks sixteen six sick Ohs. Look up
Speaker 1: the box score of that game and yeah, let's just
Speaker 1: talk Wapson. So the crowd cheers a little, like so
Speaker 1: the players were, you know, Miles Garrett and Jamis Winston
Speaker 1: were upset after the game. Was this something where they're
Speaker 1: talking about like a small amount of fans cheered or
Speaker 1: it was it hard to tell on the television broadcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was kind of hard to tell. The audio
Speaker 2: at that stadium has never been good on TV unless
Speaker 2: you you don't want to hear people banging on aluminum
Speaker 2: siding because that happens on third.
Speaker 1: So you know, some fans are happy when he gets hurt,
Speaker 1: which you know, it doesn't surprise me, and he's crying
Speaker 1: going off the field, and I actually thought there was
Speaker 1: a good chance this was going to be his last
Speaker 1: start ever for the Browns, and extrapolating that forward, I
Speaker 1: actually thought there was an outside chance this will be
Speaker 1: his last time he ever plays in the NFL, because
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance, if he was healthy that
Speaker 1: when he got benched, that they're not going back to
Speaker 1: him ever. And if you just ignore the contract, I
Speaker 1: don't see another team signing him in the future, even
Speaker 1: for like one million dollars. It's possible, but I don't.
Speaker 1: If I had to guess, I was leaning on that
Speaker 1: it was probably gonna happen soon that he would get
Speaker 1: bench And now one of the reasons I felt even
Speaker 1: stronger about that was what people were mad about, including Patrick.
Speaker 1: I disagree with you on this, Patrick, that you know
Speaker 1: they looked bad because they had Dorian Thompson Robinson as
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback this game and then he had to
Speaker 1: go in and play.
Speaker 4: For what.
Speaker 1: You know. This could be a wrong evaluation, but I
Speaker 1: actually thought them making DTR the backup was a sign
Speaker 1: that Watson was on a short least because DTR was
Speaker 1: actually the guy they wanted to see all along. And
Speaker 1: whether they're right or wrong about that, I don't know.
Speaker 1: But Stefanski's been pretty good with the backup quarterback, so
Speaker 1: I'm not going to have like a hot take about that.
Speaker 1: So when I saw DTR was the backup, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's going to get benched this game if he doesn't
Speaker 1: play well, and then you know what happened.
Speaker 3: Happened.
Speaker 7: Well, I think the reason that people would instantly believe
Speaker 7: that was because they've been kind of making a feudal
Speaker 7: effort on offense for multiple weeks. Yeah, with Deshaun Watson
Speaker 7: in quarterback, I don't know that the decision making at
Speaker 7: the quarterback position in Cleveland is getting a whole lot
Speaker 7: of trust globally right now because of that. And so
Speaker 7: I've seen Jamis wants to play a lot of football.
Speaker 7: I think it's hard to get Joe Flacco leading this
Speaker 7: team down the stretch kind of out of your mind,
Speaker 7: and Famous fits falls into that mold.
Speaker 3: But ultimately it's not a good team. They're one and six.
Speaker 7: They haven't had both of their tackles play in a
Speaker 7: game all season long. Still to this point, it's the
Speaker 7: positive is Nick Chubb is finally back. He's able to
Speaker 7: get in the end zone today. That was probably the
Speaker 7: best Browns drive of the game. But where dtr comes
Speaker 7: in in relief of Deshaun Watson, Nick Chubb gets in
Speaker 7: the end zone there. But it's I think the skepticism
Speaker 7: about the decision making fair is just a view of
Speaker 7: the way people see the decision making of the franchise.
Speaker 3: In bringing to Shaun Watson h in the first.
Speaker 1: Right, and I almost wonder if him getting hurt, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna let them off the hook, But it just
Speaker 1: makes the decision for them, and it makes people forget
Speaker 1: that this is Andrew Berry who did this, Like this
Speaker 1: was the worst move in the history of the NFL, Like,
Speaker 1: without any question, it was that bad to begin with,
Speaker 1: and I was very strong about on the show because
Speaker 1: of everything that Deshaun Watson did off the field, and
Speaker 1: that's why everyone's saying about the jamis Winston standing up
Speaker 1: for his teammate and Miles Garrett standing up for his teammate.
Speaker 1: After the game, it's like, Oh, they really spoke truth
Speaker 1: here and this is powerful words. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't buy it because the indignation
Speaker 1: that they have in this moment about that small group
Speaker 1: of fans or whatever is so much stronger than anything
Speaker 1: they ever said about all the women that Shaun Watson
Speaker 1: was accused of sexually assaulting, or certainly how the organization
Speaker 1: brought him in or anything like. So I don't need
Speaker 1: to hear it. You can, you can feel that, and
Speaker 1: you can say whatever, you can say your truth, but
Speaker 1: I don't need to hear members of the media saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is this is powerful stuff on a human level.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, like, just just miss me with it.
Speaker 1: Because they made a deal with the devil and that
Speaker 1: they're paying for it and the injury put that to
Speaker 1: the side. That sort of has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: it in this case to me, because this decision was
Speaker 1: over with, like as a complete and utter failure that
Speaker 1: normally would get everyone fired. Maybe the like, we don't
Speaker 1: know who actually made that decision, and maybe that changes.
Speaker 1: And now the Browns just are going to move forward
Speaker 1: in whatever way that is. And I think it's going
Speaker 1: to be a way where they get this like tap
Speaker 1: space through insurance money potentially, and they figure out a
Speaker 1: way to maybe trade him to another team and give
Speaker 1: away draft picks and it's like a like a Brockos.
Speaker 1: I think, who knows in the future, but that's all
Speaker 1: in the future. For now, they got to live through this,
Speaker 1: you know, what's been a miserable season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're not a good team. Like Patrick said,
Speaker 2: they're not a good team. They're especially not a good offense.
Speaker 2: Jerry Judy threw his helmet at the bench after a
Speaker 2: possession today and that was after Watson was out. We've
Speaker 2: talked about this for weeks. This is nothing new. It
Speaker 2: will be interesting to see if you know, it ends
Speaker 2: up being Jamis in that job and whether they can
Speaker 2: do anything, because they the best they've looked all your
Speaker 2: offensively is when Jameis has been on the field in
Speaker 2: that small cuccle size.
Speaker 1: But yes, he's the only healthy guy. Anyways. Rob dtr
Speaker 1: had twenty four throws with two interceptions in eighty two yards,
Speaker 1: so that was an unmitigated disaster. For the most part.
Speaker 1: He was their leading rusher. Nick Chubb, you know, got
Speaker 1: the touchdown, but didn't do a lot on the ground
Speaker 1: eleven for twenty two in his first game back. Bengals
Speaker 1: fans are probably like, you're not giving us any love.
Speaker 1: It was an ugly game. You got Higgins and Chase
Speaker 1: I only scored fourteen points in offense. Your defense has showed,
Speaker 1: like the Eagles the last couple of weeks, that they
Speaker 1: can really stand up against lower tier offenses, and that's
Speaker 1: a good sign and maybe it's something to build off.
Speaker 1: Sam Hubbard certainly has played better. But you had twelve
Speaker 1: first downs, you know, so that's and you lost Orlando
Speaker 1: Brown to an injury, so there's some concern there. I
Speaker 1: just thought the Watson thing ultimately was the bigger story
Speaker 1: coming out of this game. And the Bengals, look, you
Speaker 1: got your win, You're three and four, You are back
Speaker 1: in the mix. If you look at their schedule, they
Speaker 1: got a chance to go on a little run. I
Speaker 1: think they get the Eagles next. That'll be interesting. Let's
Speaker 1: just since that was a wholly negative recap here Let's
Speaker 1: listen to our friend Andrews Ciciliano and what was the
Speaker 1: nicest moment here for the Browns today? It is fourth down.
Speaker 4: Dtr is the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Brown's gonna go with the eye again, Swam.
Speaker 4: The tight end is the up back Nick Chubb.
Speaker 5: That's the eye pitch left, Nick Chubb running left.
Speaker 4: Nick Chubb is touch show Nicklass shamol Shop. Welcome back
Speaker 4: and welcome back.
Speaker 17: To the Enzo.
Speaker 1: Awesome call there by Andrew on wk R kay and
Speaker 1: yet one other small injury note. Genostone of the Bengals
Speaker 1: got hurt late in this game, so that's something to
Speaker 1: watch in their secondary. Let's go to another one sided game.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Buffalo.
Speaker 11: Second and ten from the twelve play clock down to five,
Speaker 11: Alan in the shotgun takes a snap Blit's coming, fires
Speaker 11: over the middle for.
Speaker 4: A Mai super Cooper.
Speaker 1: For a twelve yard touchdown reception. Yes, Amari Cooper is
Speaker 1: a member of the Buffalo Bills and he's out here
Speaker 1: scoring touchdowns. His first ever catches a Buffalo Bill is
Speaker 1: a touchdown. That was Chris Brown of w g R.
Speaker 1: What if I told you that the Tennessee Titans were
Speaker 1: ahead ten nothing in this game. What if I told
Speaker 1: you Eric Roberts, our producer, was sweating it out here
Speaker 1: at halftime they were trailing ten to seven. And what
Speaker 1: if I told you the Buffalo Bills looked like the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl contenders that they are after halftime and absolutely
Speaker 1: bum rushed this Titans team. It was like they just
Speaker 1: flipped a switch and started trying. The yardage in the
Speaker 1: second half at one point was two hundred and sixteen
Speaker 1: to ten. And yeah, Mariy Cooper had a drop early,
Speaker 1: nick and it was rynd. I mean, reminded me of
Speaker 1: his Browns days, Like a drive ended on a bad
Speaker 1: Cooper drop and I was like, uh oh. But the
Speaker 1: rest of the game four for sixty six, including a
Speaker 1: couple of really nice grabs, including one kind of behind
Speaker 1: his body, nice hands catch, And yeah, the Bills offense
Speaker 1: was rolling against what had been a really good Titans
Speaker 1: defense in the first half and really the most of
Speaker 1: this season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, had a quick turnaround on a nickname too. Mary
Speaker 2: Cooper's been a Bill for less than a week. He's
Speaker 2: already super Cooper. So you guys too, I mean, this
Speaker 2: is what the Bills can do. It is impressive that
Speaker 2: it came against this Titans defense because that's been their
Speaker 2: strength all year. While their offense has struggled with no
Speaker 2: matter who's playing quarterback, their defense has been very consistent.
Speaker 2: So to get blasted like that in the second half
Speaker 2: it is very disappointing. But then again, this is a
Speaker 2: team that's one in five, and when stacked up against
Speaker 2: Super Bowl contenders, push usually comes to shove and the
Speaker 2: better team emerges. And that's kind of what we saw
Speaker 2: from today from Josh Allen. You love it statistically twenty
Speaker 2: one to thirty three, three twenty three, two touchdowns. All right, Josh,
Speaker 2: back on the horse, give me a reason to move
Speaker 2: you up to QB Index this week.
Speaker 1: He was fine, he was great in the second half.
Speaker 1: They started the game with three straight three and outs.
Speaker 1: They were disjointed where even when he was protected well,
Speaker 1: he wasn't finding open receivers. So they punted five out
Speaker 1: of six drives in the first half and the only
Speaker 1: offense they were really getting were from these kind of
Speaker 1: scrambled drill plays to Keon Coleman, which which worked yeah,
Speaker 1: all day.
Speaker 7: Ultimately they had those three and outs, nothing was going on,
Speaker 7: and then Keon Coleman shakes loose where the Titans defense
Speaker 7: just lose track of him to get forty yards. James
Speaker 7: Cook scores on the next play, and then Buffalo proceeds
Speaker 7: to score every score for the remainder of the game.
Speaker 7: It was thirty four and answered points. Wow, down ten
Speaker 7: to nothing to winning thirty four to ten. Where you
Speaker 7: see the promise of Amari Cooper's route running on the touchdown,
Speaker 7: it kind of freeze Keon up to do the things
Speaker 7: that the Keon kind of excels at and where it's
Speaker 7: not Keon outside having to get open against the one
Speaker 7: and versus. You know, a good opportunity against the Titans
Speaker 7: team that's playing their backup quarterback. I know you can
Speaker 7: make the case that Mason Rudolph might give the team
Speaker 7: a better chance to win film will Lewis, Okay, the
Speaker 7: case has been made. But regardless, a good opportunity to
Speaker 7: work Amari Cooper in and the results have us feeling
Speaker 7: a whole lot better about the Buffalo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lewis, was a kind of surprise late week inactive.
Speaker 1: I watched that Titans game later in the week, and
Speaker 1: that was a cry for help from Levis. Now he
Speaker 1: might have been playing hurt with the shoulder injury, and
Speaker 1: that was part of it. But it was one of
Speaker 1: the worst games that I've seen by any quarterback all season,
Speaker 1: and Rudolph was better for them and kind of avoided
Speaker 1: making the mistakes that killed that would kill you. He
Speaker 1: did have an interception, but their offensive line was terrible,
Speaker 1: so I'm not putting it too much on him or
Speaker 1: like Tony Pollard. I swear Tony Polter's playing like a
Speaker 1: pro bowler. Yeah, like maybe the best that Tony Polter's
Speaker 1: ever played, and then that results in sixteen for sixty one.
Speaker 1: The offensive line was just dominated in this game, and
Speaker 1: that's that's what the Bills will give you. Like people
Speaker 1: are so caught up on the wide receivers, but their
Speaker 1: defensive line is winning week after week. Greg Russo had
Speaker 1: six quarterback hits in this game. That's the most of
Speaker 1: any player in any game all season. He was awesome.
Speaker 1: Aj Epenesa was awesome. Ed Oliver's playing well, and then
Speaker 1: the offensive line is protecting Josh Allen against a pretty
Speaker 1: good pass rush, like tons of time giving him time
Speaker 1: to find Dalton Kincaid down the field. Khalios shook here
Speaker 1: plays well like I thought it was really impressive. One
Speaker 1: thing to keep an eye on is DeAndre Hopkins only
Speaker 1: had one catch for negative two yards and was out
Speaker 1: late in this game. He said it was soreness. He's
Speaker 1: getting talked about as a trade candidate. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was kind of wondering, that feels strong. What was
Speaker 1: kind of wondering here? It was like a veteran thing
Speaker 1: where the game was over and they were just kind
Speaker 1: of sitting him and you know, take take them out
Speaker 1: at the end of the game, and yeah, it's ugly.
Speaker 1: We'll see if Rudolph gets another start. Not sure if
Speaker 1: it matters too much. By the way, Nick Folk has
Speaker 1: hit eighty straight kicks under forty yards. They said that
Speaker 1: in the game. I was like, wait, what you say?
Speaker 1: Eighty straight field goals under forty yards? Eighty that's two
Speaker 1: hundred and forty points. How many years is that over?
Speaker 1: That's just an amazing feat by Nick Folks. So I
Speaker 1: just wanted to give shut out to him a little
Speaker 1: bit of love. Bills at five and two and right
Speaker 1: now in control of the a FC East, We'll take
Speaker 1: a quick break and we're going to go to the NFC.
Speaker 1: Talk about a team that's control that division. Two right
Speaker 1: after the break.
Speaker 5: Third and nine at the twenty five yard line, Sanders
Speaker 5: could have.
Speaker 3: Left the Dulton free Ruster coming off the edge.
Speaker 18: Thurstick Pecky Lovo put to me, hey, guys, streaking down
Speaker 18: the sideline thirty twenty ten five cuck down, touch down,
Speaker 18: walking down.
Speaker 4: On Bolling alone.
Speaker 1: That was Dante Fowler on the sixty seven yard interception
Speaker 1: return Bram Weinstein wb IG. The Commanders put it on
Speaker 1: the Panthers forty to seven. Not shocking, I guess, knowing
Speaker 1: these two teams, but a little shocking that Jayden Daniels
Speaker 1: was only in this game for one drive, a field
Speaker 1: goal drive left with the rib injury. They said they'll
Speaker 1: do further tests, but there's been multiple reports, including from
Speaker 1: our Camwolf of NFL Network, that it's nothing serious. So
Speaker 1: a rare game shook where your franchise quarterback gets hurt
Speaker 1: and you can still enjoy.
Speaker 2: Yourself and Cliff Kingsbury's offense proved to be quarterback proof.
Speaker 2: Let's go down the drive chart, Okay, first drive, punt
Speaker 2: three and out right, then we go touchdown, field goal, touchdown, touchdown,
Speaker 2: field goal, field goal. End of game. Marcus whoa fantastic
Speaker 2: as a veteran backup as he should. He was improvised
Speaker 2: and he was dotting the field with throws. They were
Speaker 2: running the ball with authority with Brian Robinson. They couldn't
Speaker 2: be stopped. They were on fire. And it helps when
Speaker 2: you pick off Andy Dalton twice in the first quarter
Speaker 2: and bury the Panthers before they even have a chance
Speaker 2: to get out of bed.
Speaker 1: Wow, Mariota in this game, I spot for him. I mean,
Speaker 1: you get to play against the Panthers, sure, but to
Speaker 1: go seven for nine for one hundred and twenty seven
Speaker 1: yards on throws, I think it was over fifteen yards
Speaker 1: or over ten yards. So these weren't just no not
Speaker 1: digging than Duncan dinks and dunks. You're right about it
Speaker 1: being quarterback proof like I saw it. Like early in
Speaker 1: this game, Terry McLaurin had won for three yards about
Speaker 1: halfway through the third second quarter and the score is
Speaker 1: already twenty to nothing at that point, and I'm thinking
Speaker 1: I made a mistake starting scary Terry. You know today
Speaker 1: in fantasy he's gonna end with one catch for three
Speaker 1: yards because you're just going to run the ball the
Speaker 1: rest of the game. But no, he ends up with
Speaker 1: six for ninety eight and Mariota and they were throwing
Speaker 1: the ball the whole game. I appreciate it. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, Thank you Marcus Mariota.
Speaker 2: Put on the gas all game, baby, because they don't stop.
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter if you know Jane Daniels is in or
Speaker 2: Marcus Mariota's in, or I threw up by thirty points,
Speaker 2: does not matter. In fact, at one point the broadcast
Speaker 2: team was like, hey, Marcus, gotta be a little careful here.
Speaker 2: We don't know if Jane Daniels is going to be
Speaker 2: out multiplease. He can't be taking hits like this because
Speaker 2: he's scrambling two and all over the field. It was probably.
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota has ever been careful and he never will
Speaker 1: be never. No, it was not.
Speaker 2: The guy who caught his own is the guy who
Speaker 2: caught his own pass and dove for the pylon for
Speaker 2: a touchdown. This guy does not know how to.
Speaker 3: Be careful and got in when it works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and got in. Yeah, he got in.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Most lopsided game I think I've seen all year. The
Speaker 2: Panthers are a bad football team. They're undoubtedly the worst
Speaker 2: football team in the NFL, and I'm kind of curious
Speaker 2: about what their plan is with Bryce Young because they
Speaker 2: were down by so much. You thought, well, third quarter,
Speaker 2: late third quarter, put him in. They put him in
Speaker 2: for the last drive of like three and a half
Speaker 2: minutes left. He finished two for two for negative four yards.
Speaker 2: That's not gonna help the kids. So I don't know
Speaker 2: what's going on there, But they're not a good football team.
Speaker 2: We already knew that.
Speaker 1: They said they would keep playing Andy Dalton. What do
Speaker 1: you think, yeah.
Speaker 7: At a certain point, help your football team like playing
Speaker 7: Andy Dalton right now? That does that get any part
Speaker 7: of the best case scenario? Considering the Panthers are at
Speaker 7: one and six, get Bryce Young some good reps, and
Speaker 7: if you don't want Bryce Young to be a part
Speaker 7: of your program anymore, try to get some value and
Speaker 7: demonstrate value for Bryce Young and get him somewhere else.
Speaker 1: The problem with that is thinking that any of these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks could succeed. This is just a mistake after mistake
Speaker 1: after mistake in terms of personnel and switching coaches, and
Speaker 1: like Andy Dalton's eleven for ninety sixteen for ninety three
Speaker 1: yards and two touchdowns a QBR of three, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I've ever seen that before. I mean, they
Speaker 1: can't They can't do anything, so why would it work
Speaker 1: with It's not gonna work with either.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. It's not working. Do we need
Speaker 3: to see more Andy Dalton? Is this?
Speaker 1: Now, that's the thing.
Speaker 7: We need to evaluate Andy Dalton's performance in this offense
Speaker 7: where you're playing up against a Marcus Mariota led Commander's
Speaker 7: team where we just talked like Marcus is haf ovens
Speaker 7: celebrating up and down the field.
Speaker 3: He's almost leading the team and carries He's got one
Speaker 3: less carry.
Speaker 7: Than Brian Robinson Junior ultimately at the end of the game,
Speaker 7: but finishes with eleven b rob had twelve.
Speaker 19: But I'm just I'm not sure what we're getting and
Speaker 19: what the value is. Oh yeah, none. I mean this
Speaker 19: this team stinks. They've been outscored two hundred and fifty
Speaker 19: seven to ninety six. So you feel for Dave Canalis,
Speaker 19: but you also have to recognize, like he's not doing
Speaker 19: a good good job. That the situation and the structure
Speaker 19: and everything that they've set up that they decided to
Speaker 19: go with continuity in their front office, and you know,
Speaker 19: you have to look at the top of like how
Speaker 19: an organization gets to this level. And as Joe Person
Speaker 19: writes every week for The Athletic, there is no rock bottom.
Speaker 19: Like people like to say, oh, this is rock bottom.
Speaker 19: It's like no, just wait till next week, right.
Speaker 2: And what they exist in rock bottom right.
Speaker 1: And Washington is an example of like how an organization
Speaker 1: can change on a dime like that if you get
Speaker 1: the quarterback pick right along with a coaching staff. And look,
Speaker 1: they've done a good job their defense. I know it's
Speaker 1: been beating up on bad offenses for the most part,
Speaker 1: although they did pretty well against the Cardinals who are
Speaker 1: so their defense has really improved the last three weeks.
Speaker 1: It's a fun matchup next week. Caleb Williams will see
Speaker 1: if Jayden Daniels is back for that game. Let's let's
Speaker 1: listen to the good vibes with Dan Quinn in that
Speaker 1: locker room.
Speaker 12: We got stronger this week, all right.
Speaker 1: We said we had to we find the edges, all right,
Speaker 1: to say can we find the next gear?
Speaker 12: And you did that tonight, man, So you got one
Speaker 12: guy set it off today.
Speaker 3: That is a custom celebration for Frankie Louvu.
Speaker 2: And it's cool because Dante Fowler wears six and gotta
Speaker 2: pick six.
Speaker 1: There we go, Commander's social right there. Appreciate the footage.
Speaker 1: I watch a lot of these locker room and I
Speaker 1: just think, I mean, every happy, every winning locker room
Speaker 1: is happy. But I think the commanders are the happiest
Speaker 1: they have. They have the best vibes right now they
Speaker 1: are winning the vibe off. Let's go to London where
Speaker 1: good vibe in the crowd before the game. Not such
Speaker 1: great vibes for these two teams.
Speaker 17: Huge booming putting all the way down to the fall
Speaker 17: for Paula Washington, he gets out to the ten to
Speaker 17: the fifties, go Puka, twenty five, thirty forty fifty.
Speaker 4: It's already the plug today. He's gonna go all.
Speaker 17: The way thirty twenty five, twenty fifteen, ten five touchdown,
Speaker 17: Jacksonville Hussy stops at the episode, fools backwards into it.
Speaker 17: I'm not saying huge, huge play in terms of the
Speaker 17: momentum of this game.
Speaker 1: Parker Washington taking it all the way from the four
Speaker 1: yard line ninety.
Speaker 17: Six yards for the Jacksonville Jockuars touchdown.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Parker Washington, thank you.
Speaker 1: For giving us a highlight thank you for giving us
Speaker 1: the first special team's touchdown in London game's history. And
Speaker 1: thank you to Will Gavin of talkSPORT Nay, Will Gavin
Speaker 1: of NFL Daily last Sunday's recap show, he did a
Speaker 1: bang up job and now he's doing play by play
Speaker 1: over there. Yes, the London games are over for the
Speaker 1: year and they were treated to an excellent performance from
Speaker 1: their hometown Jaguars thirty two to sixteen in this matchup, Jaguars,
Speaker 1: when we got some good quarterback play, we got some points,
Speaker 1: we got a long touchdown, we got a Will Gavin
Speaker 1: radio call. What else could we ask for?
Speaker 2: Nick Schuck, Actually, honestly, I don't think anything. I think
Speaker 2: it was best perfect well unless.
Speaker 1: You right game better teams, But I'm saying in the
Speaker 1: situation we were given, I'm giving it eight and a
Speaker 1: half out of ten.
Speaker 2: And something about the Will Gavin call there just like
Speaker 2: it was like music to my ears. It was almost
Speaker 2: like poetry. And Parker Washington is the perfect name for
Speaker 2: a London game. It was fantastic.
Speaker 3: A fielding at punt on the four yard line.
Speaker 7: Watching this for work, I'm like cause the game starts
Speaker 7: with a long Patriots drive ultimately concluding in a Jamichael
Speaker 7: Hasty touchdown. And I'm thinking, this is the Jags, this
Speaker 7: is the twenty twenty four Jacksonville Jaguars. And I was
Speaker 7: just so ready for disappointment at every available opportunity. And
Speaker 7: Parker Washington goes, he catches that ball at the four, here.
Speaker 3: Comes a muff or something.
Speaker 7: He's gonna a teammate's gonna run into him, the ball's
Speaker 7: gonna pop out, Patriots gonna score. No, not today. Today
Speaker 7: was a day for the Jags and a lot of success.
Speaker 7: Parker Washington emblematic of that, and also a nice game
Speaker 7: from Brian Thomas Junior as well.
Speaker 3: Good to see, good Jags. Congratulations Doug Peterson.
Speaker 1: Yes, Doug Peterson with that NFL Network halftime interview with
Speaker 1: Steve Weisch back to back weeks, and really their trip
Speaker 1: could be told by those two interviews. The first one
Speaker 1: I heard someone say, like, people don't need to worry
Speaker 1: about man, who was it that the Jags quitting on him?
Speaker 1: They gotta worry about Doug quitty on the Jags. He
Speaker 1: seems sick of his players last week and in general,
Speaker 1: and this week though after a second quarter where yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they put up twenty four points in the
Speaker 1: second quarter after falling down ten to nothing. They needed that.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you mentioned the Patriots started this game looking
Speaker 1: very good on offense. Two long drives for ten points.
Speaker 1: They get the ten to nothing lead. But like it's
Speaker 1: been the rest of the year, it's not one thing
Speaker 1: for the Patriots. Everything's bad. Now. Their quarterback's pretty good,
Speaker 1: Jake May's playing well. Yeah, but their defense is one of,
Speaker 1: if not the league's worst. Their special teams are terrible.
Speaker 1: You just saw it. And yeah, in the secondary, I
Speaker 1: just want to give some love to Brian Thomas Junior.
Speaker 1: I mean him getting open against Christian Gonzalez and the
Speaker 1: late hands, contested catch for a big play down the field.
Speaker 1: Then just a fantastic route where I swear Gonzales didn't
Speaker 1: play these two plays badly. He was in good position,
Speaker 1: and good offenses beats good defense sometimes in a great
Speaker 1: two point conversion. He finishes five for eighty nine for
Speaker 1: a touchdown. He is legit. Tank Bigsby ran hard at
Speaker 1: hell gets one hundred and eighteen yards for two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: And Trevor Lawrence played awesome led the NFL and EPA
Speaker 1: on this Sunday and so yeah, they need to be
Speaker 1: an offense first team shook and they were. They really
Speaker 1: dominated the game when they had the ball. They just
Speaker 1: did not let the Patriots defense get off the field.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think they had a stretch in the second half
Speaker 2: where they ran the ball like almost twenty straight times.
Speaker 2: Kret is an emphatic run right there, Tank Begsby. By
Speaker 2: the way, we lose sight of the players who are
Speaker 2: performing well on bad teams, right and the Jaguars in two
Speaker 2: and five still qualify as a bad team. But you
Speaker 2: have Brian Thomas. He's gotten the traction because he's a
Speaker 2: rookie receiver. He's the latest example of a receiver that's
Speaker 2: almost a finished product coming out of college. That's just
Speaker 2: the generation that we're dealing with now a receiver. But
Speaker 2: Tank Bigsby has been playing well all year. I mean
Speaker 2: he's been outperforming Travis Etn. Etn doesn't go today. It
Speaker 2: Tanks time to shine, and he shines on the international stage.
Speaker 2: So let's give him a little tip of the cap.
Speaker 2: People pay attention to him. If you're playing fantasy, pick
Speaker 2: him up.
Speaker 1: Right, it almost could have been worse than this game.
Speaker 1: They on that drive where they just kept running, running,
Speaker 1: and running. They ran one too many times and got
Speaker 1: stopped on a fourth and goal inside the five, and
Speaker 1: so the Patriots had a little bit of life and
Speaker 1: Drake may led them on a scoring drive. My Drake
Speaker 1: May review, He's the only good thing about this team.
Speaker 1: I think this game was different where the highs weren't
Speaker 1: as high and the lows weren't as low, and he
Speaker 1: just for the most part, made good decisions, was inaccurate.
Speaker 1: A couple times could have been picked off once or twice,
Speaker 1: and then people, you know, the box score wouldn't look
Speaker 1: as good. But overall he has zero running game. You know,
Speaker 1: Rimandre goes seven for eighteen, zero schematic help, no offensive
Speaker 1: line help, and his defense is terrible. So I have
Speaker 1: major doubts about this coaching staff, and girod Mayo has
Speaker 1: major doubts just about everything right now.
Speaker 20: What I would say is, look, we're a soft football
Speaker 20: team across the board. We talk about what makes a
Speaker 20: tough football team. That's being able to run the ball,
Speaker 20: that's being able to stop the run, and that's being
Speaker 20: able to cover kicks, and we did none of those today.
Speaker 20: They controlled the ball for mosty you know, their run
Speaker 20: game average over four and a half yards of carry
Speaker 20: our run game. Not sure what the average was, but
Speaker 20: it wasn't good.
Speaker 1: No, it was not. It was two point five, by
Speaker 1: the way, and it would have been a lot lower
Speaker 1: if not for Drake May's couple uh scrambles. Drod Me
Speaker 1: get gets mad and I like that he just speaks
Speaker 1: his mind and says what he says. But when he
Speaker 1: says we're sloppy, and there was a ton of offensive
Speaker 1: like pre snap penalties, and when he says we're soft,
Speaker 1: like he's saying I'm soft, I'm sloppy, because that's what
Speaker 1: he's he's coaching right now. They are not a well
Speaker 1: coached team. Let's go to Indianapolis where they couldn't open
Speaker 1: the dome on a beautiful day. Technical difficulties for the
Speaker 1: second time this year. Let's get that cleaned up Colts.
Speaker 1: But at least they cleaned up their defense. Nine to
Speaker 1: fifteen and counting. Here in the third quarter, Richardson out
Speaker 1: of the gun ball in the far hatch. Two receivers
Speaker 1: go to the left, one goes to the right.
Speaker 4: Richardson right up the touchdown. The red Sea parted.
Speaker 11: It's Tyler Goodson right up the gun from seven yards
Speaker 11: away touchdown n D.
Speaker 4: Why it's ten to nine on the rule Morgan storeboard.
Speaker 1: W F N I Matt Taylor. Every time I look
Speaker 1: up the last three weeks, Tyler Goodson's making a play.
Speaker 1: He's a player. Got juice, Got a little bit of
Speaker 1: juice or the tray sermon. Colts get another win without
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor, this time with Anthony Richardson sixteen to ten. Patrick,
Speaker 1: you liked my theory. This was a big game in
Speaker 1: the AFC because these are two teams that I don't
Speaker 1: think have played really well, and one of them was
Speaker 1: going to come out of this game like in good
Speaker 1: shape playoff wise, and the Colts have a winning record
Speaker 1: even if it hasn't been.
Speaker 3: Pretty, and it holds true.
Speaker 7: It holds true after the game you look at the
Speaker 7: way that things line up. Where Anthony Richardson did not
Speaker 7: have a great game. He had a fumble in the
Speaker 7: red zone. Both of these teams committed a litany of turnovers,
Speaker 7: bad turnovers. There was a fullback fumble that came out
Speaker 7: from I'm blanking on the the Finns alec Ingold had
Speaker 7: a fumble. We got punched out by the Colts defense.
Speaker 7: Richardson had his bad one, but ultimately kicks. Matt Gay
Speaker 7: hit a fifty two yarder to go in to the break.
Speaker 7: Jason Sanders had one slide off to the edge and
Speaker 7: ultimately that that turns out to be the difference the
Speaker 7: Anthony Richardson solid in the run game as well today,
Speaker 7: wound up being the leading rusher, got fifty six yards
Speaker 7: on fourteen carries. But it was one of those type
Speaker 7: scattershot games where the Colts kind of showed their weaknesses
Speaker 7: and a weak team going up against a TUA lead
Speaker 7: Dolphins team.
Speaker 3: This is this is easy fins. Win.
Speaker 7: Is the win that we've seen the past few years,
Speaker 7: but without even Tyler Huntley because Tim Boyles in this
Speaker 7: game late shook this.
Speaker 3: This is what we get from Miami.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as well, concerning from a Colts perspective, just because
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here thinking, look, you're playing Tyler Huntley and
Speaker 2: Tim Boyle and you can only buster this. This Miami
Speaker 2: defense is not that good. What is going on with
Speaker 2: this offense? Anthony Richardson, he finished his ten for twenty four.
Speaker 2: You added, you know, the fifty six yards in the ground,
Speaker 2: so he did his part. It's just that you know,
Speaker 2: he comes back from mission a couple of weeks and
Speaker 2: they're not the same well oiled mission machine they were
Speaker 2: with Joe Flacco, at least through the air. But it's
Speaker 2: still a harder and win because you hold the opposition
Speaker 2: to ten points. Your defense has given up massive sums
Speaker 2: in many games this year, including that loss to Jacksonville.
Speaker 2: So it's a small victory on top of the actual victory.
Speaker 2: From a Dolphins perspective. You get, you know, almost two
Speaker 2: hundred rushing yards between the combination of a chan Moster
Speaker 2: Jalen Wright and then at another twenty from Huntley before
Speaker 2: he leaves, and yet you still only get ten points. Like,
Speaker 2: I feel very bad for Dolphins fans right now because
Speaker 2: they are just stuck in this waiting game, waiting to
Speaker 2: see win and if and win two comes back, and
Speaker 2: until then they're just not a high potential offense.
Speaker 1: Well, they're only going to wait another week. According to expectations,
Speaker 1: he's eligible to come off i R next week. Diana
Speaker 1: Rossini reported that the expectation was he was going to
Speaker 1: play next week, and Mike McDaniel's kind of telegraph that
Speaker 1: I have a miss from the future. Nick two is
Speaker 1: not saving this team. This team has so many problems.
Speaker 1: I'm not like buying that Tua is gonna like Mike
Speaker 1: McDaniel's not coaching this team well at all. The fact
Speaker 1: that going to the backup quarterback causes your passing game
Speaker 1: to collapse this much. I don't think two is gonna
Speaker 1: save it. It'll be significantly better, but they need it
Speaker 1: to be great or even good, and I have doubts
Speaker 1: about that. Any system where Jalen Waddle and Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: go two for nineteen combined. Tyrek Hill didn't have a
Speaker 1: catch in this game until there was like two minutes left.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have issues. And offensive line is
Speaker 1: the reason, is one of the reasons why the backup
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are struggling so much. They're just it's not a
Speaker 1: well run, well coached team. I know the defense has
Speaker 1: been a little better the last couple of weeks, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. Man Obj comes out there, has a
Speaker 1: couple of targets, has a drop, he made a little cameo.
Speaker 1: I just something's off with this team. Any other coach
Speaker 1: I think would be getting on if their backup quarterbacks
Speaker 1: were like this bat It shouldn't be this big of
Speaker 1: a cliff. Right.
Speaker 2: No, every time I see a shot of Mike McDaniel
Speaker 2: on the sideline, he just looks lost. He looks like
Speaker 2: he doesn't know where he is, or he doesn't want
Speaker 2: to be there if he knows where he is.
Speaker 1: I saw him laughing with Tyreek Hill and Waddle. They
Speaker 1: actually were like in a good mood at that point.
Speaker 1: They were winning the game. They were up ten three
Speaker 1: in this game, and they were all kind of like laughing.
Speaker 1: And at that point, Wattle and Hill I think had
Speaker 1: no catches. So I was like, what are they laughing about? Like,
Speaker 1: are they like laughing about how we like our quarterbacks
Speaker 1: can't get us the ball? Like, yeah, that would be
Speaker 1: my guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it's it's Tim Boyle.
Speaker 7: They're looking over and it's like, oh, yeah, that's a
Speaker 7: rough one for till.
Speaker 3: How's he still here?
Speaker 7: There's so many different ways that you could take the
Speaker 7: Miami Dolphins offense. It wasn't good against better teams in
Speaker 7: the stretch where Tua was there. Now that I do
Speaker 7: think the difference is at least at least two touchdowns
Speaker 7: in this game.
Speaker 1: Right, Sure, it would have helped, at the very least
Speaker 1: it would have.
Speaker 7: Helped in this game. But yeah, there's there's overall problems,
Speaker 7: and teams go through lulls. We've seen contenders go through lulls.
Speaker 7: The Bills just went and got Amark Cooper and in
Speaker 7: the middle of one of their lulls, and yeah, I
Speaker 7: saw them explode out of that.
Speaker 1: Their season's been a low though, so we'll see. I mean,
Speaker 1: but I'm looking forward to him atturning because it gives
Speaker 1: us another team. Otherwise, this team is just like a
Speaker 1: dead team walking Devon h Chan after the game. And yes,
Speaker 1: they started running the ball better last week, so that's
Speaker 1: a really good sign. Devan h Chan said after the game.
Speaker 1: It's not like teams are better than us, like all
Speaker 1: these losses were losing our one score games. No you
Speaker 1: got to spot but no, wait, no, no, no, But it's
Speaker 1: actually just factually completely untrue. They lost thirty one to
Speaker 1: ten to the Bills, twenty four to three to the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: and thirty one to twelve to the Titans, so literally
Speaker 1: this was their first time that they had a one
Speaker 1: score loss. They've gotten crushed every week. They've been one
Speaker 1: of the worst teams in the league, so maybe they're
Speaker 1: lucky to be two and four. Their season is not
Speaker 1: quite over. That is true as well of the winner
Speaker 1: of the Sofi Bowl. Yes it's Raiders Rams, one of
Speaker 1: the teams needed to get a w and keep their
Speaker 1: season alive.
Speaker 11: One eight on the clock, no timeouts remaining for the visitors,
Speaker 11: snap back, Rams coming after them.
Speaker 1: Minshew to his end zone.
Speaker 11: Now Flood's right points downfield, pros against his.
Speaker 4: Body, pitch intercepted, take it away again at the thirty.
Speaker 1: This game is over.
Speaker 18: Jalen mccolor calls game.
Speaker 1: Love that call for my friend JB. Long on KSP
Speaker 1: and JB Long gotta be joining me on the TNF
Speaker 1: recap this week. Vikings Rams, so check that out later
Speaker 1: in the week. And that game is going to mean
Speaker 1: a little bit more for the Rams because they got
Speaker 1: their second win of the year twenty to fifteen. It
Speaker 1: was fitting Patrick that the defense did it because this
Speaker 1: was a rare Rams win that was led by the defense.
Speaker 1: They got stops all over the place. The twenty points
Speaker 1: that the Rams scored on offense were all off turnovers
Speaker 1: that the Rams defense created.
Speaker 7: And coming into the game, I'm thinking Jared Versus is
Speaker 7: going to have a game. We were all celebrating and
Speaker 7: wide eyed at the Aid O'Connell's stat about zero scramble
Speaker 7: yards in his entire career.
Speaker 3: But then Aid O'Connell's knocked out of the game.
Speaker 7: So incomes Gardner Minshew and you're like, oh, I got
Speaker 7: some more mobility back there. Jared Verse had nine pressures
Speaker 7: in this game on thirty six pass rushes.
Speaker 3: He was dominant.
Speaker 7: Minshew did the Minshew thing where now you've got this
Speaker 7: injury to Aid and O'Connell. A couple of with Tody
Speaker 7: candidates were added to the list of this week.
Speaker 1: But Tody is the worst throw of the year, just
Speaker 1: to be clear, But yes, Gardner Minsche's first interception was
Speaker 1: was his specialty, the combination of awful decision and awful execution.
Speaker 3: Yeah, roll into the sideline.
Speaker 7: You're gonna have to either put that ball in the
Speaker 7: stands or throw it in a very small spot. Instead,
Speaker 7: alects to throw it directly to the defender, which is
Speaker 7: now something that's happened twice on the season for Gardner Minshew.
Speaker 7: The other applicant was Andy Dalton today but just a
Speaker 7: rough game where you think the Rams have this game
Speaker 7: him in the back, but some late effort from Alexander
Speaker 7: Madison and Brock Bauers, who is essentially this entire offense
Speaker 7: ten catches for ninety four yards doing all he can
Speaker 7: with not a lot around him, including at the quarterback position,
Speaker 7: either one of them.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, it's I swear every time I watch the Raiders,
Speaker 2: I just realized that Alexander Madison and Brock Bowers are
Speaker 2: the only things that are worth watching offensively, especially now
Speaker 2: that Devonte Adams has gone.
Speaker 1: I mean that the Alexander Madison. That's like, no one
Speaker 1: said anything that nice about Alexander Madison. Wow, he's fine.
Speaker 1: I just mean, like, I'm not like getting off my cut. Sorry,
Speaker 1: Nick fran That's how low they are.
Speaker 2: That's how bad this offense is. Especially if the losing
Speaker 2: Devontae Adams, you just don't have a lot of options,
Speaker 2: and especially the complete instability at quarterback. So it was
Speaker 2: interesting to see how they'd match up against this team.
Speaker 2: And you're right, Patrick, I love Jared ver since he
Speaker 2: was at Florida State. I thought they had a steal
Speaker 2: of a pick in him when they got him in
Speaker 2: the draft, and he balls out today. He's been having
Speaker 2: a pretty good year overall, but in this matchup, you're
Speaker 2: looking at the Rams, who also lack talent at receivers still,
Speaker 2: and they have to claw their way into this game
Speaker 2: or to be able to win this game. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, you finish the Raiders turn the ball over
Speaker 2: four times and you'll win by five points, and it
Speaker 2: comes down to a pick at the end of the game.
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, just the state of both these teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good call. Stafford only ends up with
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty four yards in this game. He
Speaker 1: has an interception. Minshew ends up with one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty four yards on thirty four attempts and three interceptions,
Speaker 1: one of the worst stat lines of the year. Brock
Speaker 1: Bauers is the best tight end in the league. I
Speaker 1: just believe it, at least just receiving tight end. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you want to like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't block as I don't know, he's I think
Speaker 1: he's that good, he's that talented. Love watching this this
Speaker 1: kid play. And I did get some notes from Jordan
Speaker 1: rod Rieg, who was, you know, at this game. Obviously
Speaker 1: she noted, you know, the changes they've made in the
Speaker 1: secondary for the Rams have really paid off. They They've
Speaker 1: got Cam click curl closer to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: They've got Quinton Lake is now playing there and he's
Speaker 1: kind of lining everyone up and it's helping the communication.
Speaker 1: Darius Williams Kobe Durant had a game here, so they've
Speaker 1: been way more cohesive. And yes, it was against the Raiders,
Speaker 1: but they did it against the Packers too, and they
Speaker 1: look like they were figuring it out then. So I
Speaker 1: think the offense though she says it's not just about
Speaker 1: the injuries. They're they're missing a lot of assignments and
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup is expected to return on Thursday, and so
Speaker 1: that's gonna help. But in her opinion, you know, Cooper
Speaker 1: Cup is not going to just fix all the issues.
Speaker 1: They are having a lot of problems and you're you're
Speaker 1: shaking your head, Nick Schook. Offensively, they're they're not where
Speaker 1: they were a year ago. It's really Kyra Williams and
Speaker 1: that's about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, even Stafford the last couple of weeks
Speaker 2: has tried his best to throw them to victory or
Speaker 2: throw them into a competitive situation, and you know he didn't.
Speaker 2: He threw a pick today and more often than not,
Speaker 2: it's kind of burned him in the last few weeks,
Speaker 2: and you look at them overall and you think, well,
Speaker 2: injuries and everything, they kind of look like a bad
Speaker 2: football team with a good quarterback who's kind of doing
Speaker 2: too much to try to keep them alive. So it's
Speaker 2: good to see them win this game, but like, I
Speaker 2: really need them to support him a little bit better
Speaker 2: so that he doesn't have to play hero ball every week.
Speaker 1: Right. Their defense really carried the day today, gets them
Speaker 1: to two and four and gets them at least trying
Speaker 1: to stay relevant ahead of this trade deadline. They're an
Speaker 1: interesting team to watch. There are some reports that Cup
Speaker 1: could be available that would be interesting, that there are
Speaker 1: teams certainly that would think about it. It's a big
Speaker 1: game for them Thursday night against the Vikings, and yes,
Speaker 1: Jordan points out that Stafford might be playing his way
Speaker 1: off of QB Island, but he's got he's got one
Speaker 1: more game before we vote again. Great performance today by
Speaker 1: Patrick claybun but most importantly, great performance by Patrick's kids
Speaker 1: who are back in the control room.
Speaker 3: Extended scream Tom, they're doing great. Yeah, well we'll see you.
Speaker 1: Got a daddy is amazing. Oh, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: buttons back here. They are in all of the studio.
Speaker 7: It's the upset of the year that none of those
Speaker 7: buttons have been not just pressed but smashed, especially by
Speaker 7: the big.
Speaker 1: No sticky buttons. They've been awesome. I love it. And yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks to to Patrick for for showing up for work
Speaker 1: when when no when when? Hey, uh no childcare? Help
Speaker 1: tonight Angel City's playing and h you're in the studio,
Speaker 1: so I appreciate you. And speaking of kids, actually, that
Speaker 1: reminds me. We were doing the Lions game earlier and
Speaker 1: I was going to play a message I got from
Speaker 1: Walker just unprompted. He sent me a voice memo during
Speaker 1: the game. So let's let's see what he had to say. Jimmy,
Speaker 1: I say, okay, yeah, he's saying about four more of
Speaker 1: those because he has Jamior Gibbs and his fantasy team
Speaker 1: and I was going up against Jamiir Gibson. He was
Speaker 1: enjoyed that performance. I wasn't my team he was going against,
Speaker 1: but he knew he knew what he was doing. He
Speaker 1: to rub it in and we're gonna take a problem locking,
Speaker 1: all right, So we're gonna we're gonna say goodbye to
Speaker 1: the Clay bonds and we're gonna finish off this show
Speaker 1: with a little Sunday Night football Shook, stick around.
Speaker 4: Wilson gets the snap, looking, looking.
Speaker 11: Firing, has Jefferson touchdown Pittsburgh Steelers, And that's what.
Speaker 4: You wanted to see.
Speaker 14: That is just a great throw, a great confident throw
Speaker 14: by a quarterback.
Speaker 10: Not and I'm not just disabusing anything that Justin Fields
Speaker 10: has done.
Speaker 5: But that's a solid outpattern to Jefferson, and what a
Speaker 5: great catch, and.
Speaker 3: What a nice exclamation point on it.
Speaker 1: That was the exclamation point on a thirty seven to
Speaker 1: fifteen Steelers victory on Sunday Night football. Hell, they added
Speaker 1: another exclamation point, give it the double Slammer. Later in
Speaker 1: the game, Nazie Harris got into a second half to
Speaker 1: remember in a blowout victory for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Shook
Speaker 1: and U didn't expect the score when it was fifteen
Speaker 1: to six and the Jets had the ball with one
Speaker 1: minute left in the second quarter. But that's what happens
Speaker 1: when you go to Akerscher in the middle.
Speaker 2: It happens when you go to mister unlimited. Here you
Speaker 2: go and he drops thirty one straight on you. The
Speaker 2: Steelers offense humming For the most part, he's dropping dimes
Speaker 2: all over the place with a touch pass. That not
Speaker 2: to take away from anything from Justin fields just like
Speaker 2: you're heard on the call. But I don't know if
Speaker 2: there's a couple of throws that Russell made that could
Speaker 2: that Justin was able to throw. That's what he brings
Speaker 2: the offense to get it done in the red zone.
Speaker 2: They had the kapper at the end. Tell you what
Speaker 2: those who criticize this switch, myself included, well, we're eating
Speaker 2: a little bit of crow. It's only one game, but
Speaker 2: we are eating a little bit of crow because they
Speaker 2: looked real good on offense tonight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a different Steelers offense over four hundred yards,
Speaker 1: you know, the top thirty two points for the second
Speaker 1: week in a row. First time they've done that without
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger at quarterback since Cordell Stewart back in the day. Look,
Speaker 1: I don't think we need to overreact. Russell Wilson played
Speaker 1: well in the second half. I thought his biggest completions
Speaker 1: weren't on great throws, a couple underthrown passes where Pickens
Speaker 1: comes back for the ball. Firemuth has an insane one
Speaker 1: handed catch, Calvin Austin makes a great catch. The offense
Speaker 1: was just better overall. The offensive line was good. Naje
Speaker 1: Harris ends up getting one hundred and two yards. Jalen
Speaker 1: Warren makes positive plays for seemingly the first time all season.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's getting healthy. And yes, Chris Collinsworth pointed out
Speaker 1: late in the game, they just got a little more
Speaker 1: vertical and everyone stepped up. Russell Wilson started the game
Speaker 1: so poorly the crowd was booing him out of the
Speaker 1: stadium after four or five drives. It's crazy how quickly
Speaker 1: this changes. And that's why I go back to that
Speaker 1: fifteen to six score late in the first half. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna kill Aaron Rodgers for the throw that Beanie
Speaker 1: Bishop picked off is a one handed play by Bishop.
Speaker 1: He ends up getting a second interception later in the
Speaker 1: game off a drop on a throw that goes right
Speaker 1: off Garrett Wilson's chest. The first throw is also to Wilson,
Speaker 1: but that play by Bishop. They end up capitalizing with
Speaker 1: a nice touchdown from Russell Wilson. The pickings that cut
Speaker 1: the lead to fifteen thirteen at halftime, and it really
Speaker 1: changed the game. So to me, it was the total team,
Speaker 1: the Steelers defense is better than the Jets. This Jets
Speaker 1: defense is not good stopping the run, and tonight they
Speaker 1: had players hurt in their secondary, and they weren't good
Speaker 1: stop in the pass either, Whereas the Steelers defense gives
Speaker 1: you all you can handle. Very physical, you know, Deshaun
Speaker 1: Elliott's back there hitting TJ. Watts doing TJ Watt things.
Speaker 1: Alex Highsmith was active in this game, Ogunjobi, and they're
Speaker 1: just a pretty complete team now when they get their
Speaker 1: offensive line playing pretty well like they did tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got Peyton Wilson chasing people down in the flat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's they're a complete team. You're right. You know,
Speaker 2: this is a team that was kind of becoming famous
Speaker 2: for being able to win despite breaking three hundred yards offense.
Speaker 2: They did it a few times in the first six
Speaker 2: weeks of the season tonight four h nine. But the
Speaker 2: most impressive to me, more than anything, the most impressive
Speaker 2: element of it was they were the more physical team
Speaker 2: on both sides of the ball. Like, look, that's Steelers football, right,
Speaker 2: They're always gonna be a tough, physical team. But they
Speaker 2: were remarkably more physical than the Jets were at the
Speaker 2: point of attack and on both sides of the ball,
Speaker 2: And I felt that's really what defined their comeback because
Speaker 2: they're winning at the point of attack and the domination
Speaker 2: just in the physical game. They willed their way into
Speaker 2: the lead and then just put the Jets into submission,
Speaker 2: just drove it home with the physical play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Jets look so despondent at the end of
Speaker 1: this game. They're two to five, they fired their coach,
Speaker 1: they lose. They tried for DeVante Adams, they lose. DeVante
Speaker 1: Adams ends up with three for thirty not that involved
Speaker 1: in the second half of this game. The Rogers threw
Speaker 1: the ball to him nine times and for only thirty yards.
Speaker 1: Their best offense was really short pass is to Breeze
Speaker 1: Hall that he ends up, you know, breaking for some
Speaker 1: long receptions one hundred and three yards, including a fifty
Speaker 1: seven yard er. But he's just having to get rid
Speaker 1: of the ball so quickly for them to make plays,
Speaker 1: and it's just not happening when he's holding onto the ball.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll have better days, including next week. They'll
Speaker 1: beat the Patriots to get to three and five, and
Speaker 1: their schedule is pretty favorable down the stretch in general.
Speaker 1: So I'm not ready to, you know, totally dig dirt
Speaker 1: on them, but it's a whole team thing. And and
Speaker 1: Patrick and I. Patrick put him on fraud Watch a
Speaker 1: while ago, so have I, and you know, they just
Speaker 1: they they're they're not a complete team. They have all
Speaker 1: sorts of problems. Everything's just like a little below average,
Speaker 1: including their defense. Getting rid of Sala has not helped
Speaker 1: their defense soccer.
Speaker 2: No, And the worst part is is the whole Reddick thing,
Speaker 2: the fact that he's going to come back this week.
Speaker 2: It feels like another grab at straws. You know, it's
Speaker 2: all right, let's go get Davanta to fix our passing game,
Speaker 2: Let's go get Reddick. And they need him, they absolutely
Speaker 2: need him. But this guy who hasn't been with the
Speaker 2: team the whole time. So it's just like they're in
Speaker 2: desperation mode. And when you don't win, despite making desperate
Speaker 2: moves that you think are going to make your team better,
Speaker 2: that just starts to build up. I do agree there
Speaker 2: is a path of sorts for them to get back
Speaker 2: into it, but they're going to start to run out
Speaker 2: of time. They got to figure it out, and you know,
Speaker 2: the short passing game that's been their offense all year
Speaker 2: is just it didn't work tonight against the Steelers. It
Speaker 2: will work in the future, but I need to see
Speaker 2: more from them right now. You're right, just not a
Speaker 2: complete team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you helped me out here as the host.
Speaker 1: We have not mentioned on the show that Hassan Reddick
Speaker 1: is coming back, so yes, that's the big addition for
Speaker 1: this week. I was wondering what the Jets or Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers was gonna do to kind of shake up the narrative,
Speaker 1: and that was it. And they get the perfect week
Speaker 1: to play the Patriots and try to get back on
Speaker 1: the winning side of things to get to three and five.
Speaker 1: We'll see. I have noticed if sas Gardner is sas
Speaker 1: Gardner a difference maker this year, I would say no,
Speaker 1: he's not really having a good year. So different things
Speaker 1: that you would expect this team to be great at,
Speaker 1: especially at defense, they're not getting it done. But part
Speaker 1: of that was they were playing a solid Steelers team,
Speaker 1: where at five and two it's up to the Ravens
Speaker 1: to match them. On Monday Night Football, and yes, Shook,
Speaker 1: we will be back the two of us doing the
Speaker 1: Monday night doubleheader and that just wraps up another Sunday,
Speaker 1: another joyous Sunday.
Speaker 2: Beautiful one. You know, you know, Greg, I feel like
Speaker 2: when Russell Wilson is rolling out, no he touchdown passes
Speaker 2: to Van Jefferson.
Speaker 1: You can't just do this, you can't just try to
Speaker 1: set me up. But you're you are absolutely right, Bill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're playing this music. Here we go. Do we needed
Speaker 1: the music? I just want to thank everyone here stage,
Speaker 1: claybon K, Malcolm claybon in the studios, Eric Randy behind
Speaker 1: the glass doing a great job, Nick Shook and Patrick
Speaker 1: and you're right. When the Jets are blowing games in
Speaker 1: primetime and the Steelers are finding ways to win, you
Speaker 1: know football is back.