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Speaker 2: All right, welcome into Cleveland Browns Daily. On a reaction

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Speaker 2: Monday to the podium, we go, here's your head coach,

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Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski.

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Speaker 3: We haven't talked to.

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Speaker 4: You since you put him on IR about it. Is

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Speaker 4: it potentially season or even career threatening? I know you

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Speaker 4: know the net can be serious.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, obviously, any injury serious and neck injury series. I'm

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Speaker 5: really weak to week put him on IR. That puts

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Speaker 5: him out for four games. So I'll trust in the

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Speaker 5: medical team here. But he'll with the medical team. We'll

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Speaker 5: continue to look at that.

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Speaker 4: And then with Dewan, how'd you think he played in

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Speaker 4: a second start there? And do you plan to keep

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Speaker 4: him in that spot?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I do plan on keeping him there. He's a young

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Speaker 5: player that's going to continue to get better. It's not perfect,

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Speaker 5: there's things he can get better at, but I do

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Speaker 5: believe it's a leaving him there and letting him develop

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Speaker 5: there is the best thing.

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Speaker 4: Does that say anything about Jed?

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Speaker 3: I mean, he was a former number one pick for you.

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Speaker 5: Guys, not not. I'm not trying to say anything about him.

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Speaker 5: I'm just trying to put Dewan out there and let

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Speaker 5: him get better. Jet still a player that we believe

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Speaker 5: in and right now he's got to be ready to go.

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Speaker 6: Thanks all right, next time, Mary Kay, Kevin, just wondering,

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Speaker 6: how did you think that?

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Speaker 7: Well, first of all, the breakdowns between Denzel and Want,

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Speaker 7: maybe you can help us understand those a little bit better.

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Speaker 7: It looks like maybe Denzel should have had the second one,

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Speaker 7: and maybe one the first one, but maybe you can

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Speaker 7: shed some light on that. And then the follow up

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Speaker 7: to that would be, you know, should Denzel have been

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Speaker 5: I think on the second part there, Mary Kay, we

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Speaker 5: trust in the protocols. I believe that they're in place

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Speaker 5: for the guys to be out there safely.

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Speaker 8: So I do believe that.

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Speaker 5: As you know, and everybody knows, when you have breakdowns

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Speaker 5: like that and people are open like that, there's clearly

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Speaker 5: been a breakdown of some sort, whether it's communication or

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Speaker 5: the wrong technique so to speak. We'll deal with that internally,

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Speaker 5: we'll point it out, but we just we need to

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Speaker 5: be better. But anytime you have something like that it's

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Speaker 5: obviously something that we got to be on the same page.

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Speaker 9: Thank you.

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Speaker 6: All right, next way to Darryl.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Kevin, is the South scout that you guys are

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Speaker 10: going to during the bye week? Is that more about

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Speaker 10: looking for ways to make adjustments or changes or just

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Speaker 10: what you guys typically do week to week and that's

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Speaker 10: just you know, identifying mistakes and corrections.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think it's big picture. We need to play

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Speaker 5: better on offense, on defense, on special teams. And this

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Speaker 5: gives you the ability to zoom out for a minute

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Speaker 5: and see what those may be. The big adjustments are

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Speaker 5: small adjustments are that can help you do a better

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Speaker 5: job in all three of those areas. So it's something

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Speaker 5: of course you do self scout every week. I think

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Speaker 5: when you get to this point of your season, you

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Speaker 5: can zoom out and spend a little bit more time there.

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Speaker 10: And and now that the sample size is nine games,

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Speaker 10: your record is what it is.

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Speaker 8: You know, the.

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Speaker 10: Offensive fall off this season from what we had become

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Speaker 10: Just why do you think there's been such a dramatic

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Speaker 3: Of the ball.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think obviously we need to play better, We

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Speaker 5: need to coach better. This is something that we all

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Speaker 5: share in when you're not playing well, and something that

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Speaker 5: we believe we can get it fixed. We believe we

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Speaker 5: And there's been certainly glimpses of that, but not enough

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Speaker 6: All right, chess.

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Speaker 11: Kevin, can you just assess your quarterback situation as it

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Speaker 5: In what regard Jeff?

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Speaker 11: Well, I mean, do you think what gives you confidence

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Speaker 11: with seven games to go or six eight games to go?

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Speaker 5: My focus is on us playing better as a team.

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Speaker 5: Obviously there were moments yesterday that we fell short. Jamis

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Speaker 5: can play better. He knows that we turn the ball

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Speaker 3: He knows that.

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Speaker 5: But that's really where we are just focused on better.

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Speaker 6: Thanks, all right, Next way to Cam Kevin.

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Speaker 9: You mentioned some of that offensive evaluation and things that

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Speaker 9: you need to clean up. When you go back and

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Speaker 9: look at the film over the past couple weeks, have

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Speaker 9: you been able to identify maybe things that disconnects with

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Speaker 5: Well, I think we haven't been consistent enough, Cam, So

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Speaker 5: obviously there's going to be things that we're just not

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Speaker 5: really in all of the above has to be better.

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Speaker 5: In order to be consistent and score points in this league,

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Speaker 5: you have to be better in a bunch of different areas.

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Speaker 9: I know it's kind of a broad question, but I mean,

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Speaker 9: how do what are the keys to creating consistency in

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Speaker 5: Obviously just playing efficient football in this case about offense,

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Speaker 5: it requires all of us to do our job. And

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Speaker 5: that's that's myself, that's our coaches, that's our players. It's

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Speaker 5: it's complicated, but it's also as simple as that.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, kay, Thanks for going to Tony.

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Speaker 12: All right, Kevin, two weeks ago, you made two pretty

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Speaker 5: No, but we'll look at everything, Tony in terms of

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Speaker 5: what we can do better, but no major changes expected.

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Speaker 13: I mean, my mood and Winston obviously played a lot

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Speaker 13: Was that a linebacker thing? And just how do you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, those guys guys they played hard. Wasn't perfect that

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Speaker 5: There's gonna be some mistakes, you know that when you're

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Speaker 5: to get into any specifics on plays, Ashley, but I

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Speaker 5: the most part, guys were where they're supposed to be.

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Speaker 5: But we can definitely be better.

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Speaker 13: And then, just to follow up on Scott's jed question,

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Speaker 13: just how have you seen him handle that? And what's

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Speaker 5: It's all part of football, you know, this is you

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Speaker 5: get injured sometimes and sometimes you go in as a backup,

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Speaker 5: sometimes your starter. That's just how this game goes. He's

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Speaker 5: We've played in one with him. We have confidence in him,

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Speaker 5: but in this case, he's the swing tackle and he

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Speaker 3: And Kevin.

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Speaker 4: After the game, Cedric mentioned the Chargers kind of taking

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Speaker 5: Definitely have to adjust both in game and week to

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Speaker 5: week based on what defenses are doing. I thought for

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Speaker 5: the majority of the game, I thought there was a

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Speaker 5: good handle on what they were doing versus US had

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Speaker 5: some of our opportunities. But again just goes back to

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Speaker 5: being consistent on that side of the ball.

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Speaker 4: And what's the schedule for the guys this week?

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Speaker 5: They're here today, tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: Thanks all right, Mary Kay.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Kevin, just wonder your next opponent, Dennis Allen was

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Speaker 7: and how you guys you know it's just a win

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Speaker 7: now business, and anything can happen for anyone at any

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you never like to see that in this profession, obviously,

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Speaker 5: Mary Kay, I understand it's part of it, but I

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Speaker 5: never like to see that with fellow coaches around the league.

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Speaker 5: We'll play them in a couple of weeks. We'll spend

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Speaker 5: some time looking at their team throughout this.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, all right, NEANXS go back to Darryl.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Kevin, another big picture a question for you, seeing

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Speaker 10: as your two and seven. You have tried to make

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Speaker 10: adjustments here and they haven't produced the results that you're

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Speaker 10: looking for. Has there been any discussion about with the

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Speaker 10: trade deadline being tomorrow, beginning the process of a roster

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Speaker 5: My focus is really on our team finding a way

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Speaker 5: to win a football game week in and week out.

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Speaker 5: That's really where my focus is.

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Speaker 9: All Right, we'll go back to Cam Kevin, I actually

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Speaker 9: want to ask something about that as well. I mean,

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Speaker 9: obviously you're focused on this team at hand, but that

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Speaker 9: trade deadline is tomorrow. So as their head coach, especially

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Speaker 9: some of the younger guys, that this might be a

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Speaker 9: new process for them, what are you what's the message

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Speaker 5: All sports, when you talk about trades and injuries and

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Speaker 5: all sorts of things that are totally out of your control,

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Speaker 5: that's you can't focus on them because of that. You

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Speaker 5: acknowledge that that's true. But we'll really just focus on controlling

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Speaker 5: the things that we can controls.

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Speaker 6: All right, and last question for Tony.

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Speaker 12: Okay, Kevin, I know everybody in the building is super

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Speaker 12: frustrated and disappointed with two and seven. I'm wondering what's

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Speaker 12: the level of support you're getting from the owners and

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Speaker 12: have things gotten stressful at all?

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Speaker 5: Two and seven stressful for everybody? Tony, You're right, everybody's frustrated.

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Speaker 5: I know I'm frustrated. Our players are frustrated. I'm sure

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Speaker 5: our fans are frustrated right there with us. When you

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Speaker 5: have the record we have, but we're focused on getting better.

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Speaker 5: We're focused on using this week to find a way

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Speaker 5: to get better and then go on the road and

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Speaker 5: you get a win next week. That's really where our

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Speaker 6: Thank you, all right, Thanks coach guysich.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski from the podium, presented by Vivid Seats. Purchase

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Speaker 2: a tough one down at Huntington Bank Field yesterday as

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Speaker 8: You want it? Do you want me to do it?

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Speaker 8: That's why you said, are you gonna be bouting?

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Speaker 8: hear some great clips. We'll hear the Miles Garrett Sack montage,

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Speaker 8: that Monday night football game. Hey, the scores were good yesterday,

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Speaker 8: just rough day. Obviously yesterday it was it was bad.

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Speaker 8: It was bad in all three phases. Yeah, you had,

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Speaker 8: You defensively at times were really good, but the busts

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Speaker 8: You just can't have those type of busts. And you know,

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Speaker 8: I can't remember when that's happened for the Browns. I

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Speaker 8: and you really you can't. You can't have that.

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Speaker 8: Stupefying. What's happened to the Cleveland Browns Pro Football Focus.

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Speaker 8: In case people were wondering, they gave the first one

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Speaker 8: You've now had a kick return touchdown, a punt return touchdown,

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Speaker 8: You're gonna get a guy that's gonna put up numbers

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Speaker 2: Like the bye week, has been that where they've gotten

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Speaker 8: There were changes.

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Speaker 2: There were changes last year. I mean that's there were

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Speaker 8: Right, which we have not had yet. Nope, So that

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Speaker 2: Order in the backfield all day. And that Chargers offensive

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Speaker 2: lines they're not a group of slouches. No, They're considered

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Speaker 2: one of the better offensive lines of the league. Listen,

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Speaker 2: there was at one point in the game, and these

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Speaker 2: stats are not going to be perfect.

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Speaker 8: But there was one point in the game where the

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Speaker 8: Chargers had run. We'll say call it nineteen plays, and

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Speaker 8: two of the plays went for you know, ninety let's

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Speaker 8: say sixty six and twenty eight. So two of the

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Speaker 8: plays went for ninety four yards and two touchdowns and

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Speaker 8: the other seventeen plays went for like fifteen yards. I mean,

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Speaker 8: we were very good except when we were not, and

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Speaker 8: then as the game wore on, you know, couldn't get

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Speaker 8: off the field at times on third down. The bus

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Speaker 8: in the coverage we talked about, you have some bus

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Speaker 8: in your run fits as well. That lets JK. Dobbins

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Speaker 8: get his first touchdown. The second one was really when

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Speaker 8: the game was already decided. But this was just not

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Speaker 8: a good performance in really any way. And it's unfortunate

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Speaker 8: because it's what this season, to me, me alone, is about.

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Speaker 8: Now identifying the young core and developing the young core

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Speaker 8: that you've got here for your football team. Who was

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Speaker 8: going to be part of my core in twenty twenty

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Speaker 8: five and beyond. That's what it's about. And so at

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Speaker 8: the quarterback position, that's dtr So that's who I would

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Speaker 8: want to see at this point. Dorian Thompson Robinson. Can

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Speaker 8: he be something of significance. They made him the backup

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Speaker 8: quarterback against Philly for a reason, So do you or

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Speaker 8: after the game against Philly it was against the Bengals,

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Speaker 8: So dtr can you be somebody who can help us

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Speaker 8: out at the running back position? Obviously you're still playing

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Speaker 8: Nick Chubb for I want to see more Pierre Strong still,

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Speaker 8: but I think I'm I'm alone in that Nick Chubb

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Speaker 8: right now. It's hard. He's running well, but you can

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Speaker 8: tell he is not yet the Nick Chubb of olden

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Speaker 8: from an injury that significant. My guess is that would

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Speaker 8: take a full two years correct, so I'm not surprised

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Speaker 8: his vision is there. He made some of the cuts

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Speaker 8: that Nick Chubb would make, but there are a couple

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Speaker 8: ones that he bounced out left where you're like, oh,

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Speaker 8: that's going to be a touchdown, and then he just

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Speaker 8: doesn't have that initial burst that we typically know of

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Speaker 8: and you know, have loved of Nick Chubb. So will

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Speaker 8: he get back? Yes, I think he will get back.

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Speaker 8: Is he back all the way yet?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 8: But I think it's going to keep getting better and

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Speaker 8: Dubai week I think should be good for him as well.

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Speaker 8: Wide receiver position, you got Jerry Judy. Elijah Moore is

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Speaker 8: still on a rookie deal, folks, And then you've got

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Speaker 8: Cedric Tillman, and I want to see Jamari Thrash get

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Speaker 8: some run. Sure, this season goes on, but Cedria Tilman

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Speaker 8: over the last three weeks has been a bonafide superstar.

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Speaker 8: And that's really by every available metric there is. I'm

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Speaker 8: gonna highlight a post from one of the guys from

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Speaker 8: my fantasy football days that was a good friend, Ian Hartitz.

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Speaker 8: Let me go right here to my posts, and he said,

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Speaker 8: these are just facts. It's not like a thing. Over

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Speaker 8: the last three weeks, Cedric Tillman tied for first among

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Speaker 8: all wide receivers with thirty two targets, tied for second

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Speaker 8: with three receiving touchdowns, fifth with two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 8: five receiving yards, second with four hundred and three air yards.

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Speaker 8: In terms of PPR Fantasy points, he's number one. He's

499
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Speaker 8: been the number one PPR wide receiver in the NFL

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Speaker 8: over the last three weeks, So you want to see

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Speaker 8: him tight end. I still consider David Joku a young guy.

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Speaker 8: He's not somebody I have any interest in trading at all,

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Speaker 8: even though I heard Mike Florio said that on Sunday

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Speaker 8: Night Football little statement out of nowhere. So he's the

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Speaker 8: one there. There really isn't another young tight end. Aikens

506
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Speaker 8: is in his thirties. Jeff Swayam's an aged veteran. So

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Speaker 8: that's about David Djoku on the offensive line, and then

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Speaker 8: we have to go to break, so we'll just do

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Speaker 8: the offense. And on the offensive line, obviously that's Dewan Jones,

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Speaker 8: you know, wyat Ethan. Yes, you're gonna play Joel or

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Speaker 8: Jack unless somebody calls on them, you know, and then

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Speaker 8: I think you have to listen to those things. You know,

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Speaker 8: Jed Wills, if you did make a move, can he

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Speaker 8: go back to right tackle? Could he play guard for you?

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Speaker 8: I don't know. We'll see, But you know the corps

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Speaker 8: right there, you know, Dewan's a part of the court.

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Speaker 8: Chief Judy said, you know, Elijah Moore I think has

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Speaker 8: a chance to be a part of that corps. And

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Speaker 8: that's why I said he you want to look at

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Speaker 8: dtr But I don't know when that time will be,

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Speaker 8: but I think he needs some time and he needs

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Speaker 8: to have He has never really had proper lead time

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Speaker 8: to anything. He was informed very late. Obviously, his first

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Speaker 8: start in the league, he was informed the morning of

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Speaker 8: He didn't know when he showed up at the stadium

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Speaker 8: that he was back. His second start, he probably didn't

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Speaker 8: know until Wednesday of that week because that's when Deshaun

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Speaker 8: was announced. Outside was a very quick turnaround. His third start,

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Speaker 8: he finally had a full week against Denver and his

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Speaker 8: last three scoring drives on the road against a good defense,

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Speaker 8: or his last three drives were all scrunning drives. Then

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Speaker 8: he gets hurt and then this year the game that

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Speaker 8: he was the backup and actually ended up going in,

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Speaker 8: reportedly he didn't find out until Saturday. So I'd like

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Speaker 8: to see him get some time and the chance to

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Speaker 8: be that guy. When will we see that, I don't know,

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Speaker 8: But what I do know is when we come back.

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Speaker 14: Thank you. Looking at the Pacific Ocean right now. It's

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Speaker 14: a beautiful sunny day. Just hoping my mail, you know,

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Speaker 14: trying to get life back and how are things there?

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Speaker 14: I miss you, guys, are ready.

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Speaker 8: Miss you as well as you can imagine, you know,

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Speaker 8: not necessarily the best. I'm not sure if you saw

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Speaker 8: Kevin's availability? Yeah I know that was sarcasm. Yes, indeed,

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Speaker 8: did you see coaches availability?

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Speaker 14: I did it? Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? What do you what do you make of it?

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Speaker 8: It feels to me like after you your two and seven,

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Speaker 8: you know, probably there should be some changes made, but

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Speaker 8: it sounds like Browns will not be making changes, most

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Speaker 8: notably Jameis Winston will remain your starting quarterback.

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Speaker 14: Yeah. I wasn't trying that. That was a Gallows s

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Speaker 14: Gallows humor there.

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Speaker 3: Laugh.

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Speaker 14: You know, it's just a couple of ways to look

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Speaker 14: at it. Manth and number one. I don't know what

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Speaker 14: decisions would be announced on the Monday directly after the game.

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Speaker 14: You know, you have two weeks to figure out if

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Speaker 14: you do want to change things, and I think we

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Speaker 14: have to get past the trade deadline before any any

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Speaker 14: grand proclamations can and could be made. You know, it

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Speaker 14: is not in Kevin's emo to come on and announce

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Speaker 14: things immediately on Monday. If things were to change, I

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Speaker 14: think there's a reevaluation obviously that I think everyone has

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Speaker 14: to have between now and four pm Eastern time tomorrow,

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Speaker 14: and then I would say, you know, Andrew Barry's press

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Speaker 14: conference on Wednesday afternoon probably gives us a little bit

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Speaker 14: more of a roadmap moving forward. I did not expect

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Speaker 14: him about to say today and say, hey, dtr is starter.

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Speaker 14: I mean, the one headline here is Dwan Jones is

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Speaker 14: the left tackle moving forward. That's something that he and I,

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Speaker 14: Kevin and I discussed and I was on the pregame

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Speaker 14: show on Sunday morning. So I think that certainly is

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Speaker 14: a headline. The one that you know, didn't that I

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Speaker 14: didn't like the answer to necessarily, not not what he said,

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Speaker 14: but gave me pause was the fact that, you know,

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Speaker 14: there wasn't a yes, jok is back this year. I

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Speaker 14: don't have any inside information on that. It was a

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Speaker 14: week to week thing. I would have loved to have

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Speaker 14: heard Jokay is back this year.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I would have loved to have heard that as well.

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Speaker 8: And you're exactly right. There certainly is plenty of time

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Speaker 8: to make changes. He just said that you know, he

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Speaker 8: doesn't expect any major changes, doesn't mean that they can't

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Speaker 8: make them. And one of the things that Kevin Sefanci

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Speaker 8: always does during this period is the self scout, and

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Speaker 8: you'd have to imagine that self scout will lead to

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Speaker 8: some kind of findings that could lead to a change,

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Speaker 8: because what we saw yesterday was unfortunately right a failure

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Speaker 8: in all three phases. You had special teams, gives up

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Speaker 8: a big punt return, you have a field goal blocked.

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Speaker 8: You're talking about offensively the three interceptions and an inability

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Speaker 8: to score points, to score touchdowns before the end of

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Speaker 8: the game. And then defensively, you were really good for

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Speaker 8: a lot of the plays, but the ones you weren't,

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Speaker 8: you were catastrophically bad.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I was just watching back right now. Actually, I

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Speaker 14: think I got like three minute slept in the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 14: so the game's basically over. It is stunning to me

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Speaker 14: how many negative plays this defense produced. I mean, that's

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Speaker 14: where the Chargers went nowhere right where stopped to the line,

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Speaker 14: hitting the backfield, Herbert sacked. I mean, play after play

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Speaker 14: after play after play after play. But you had the

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Speaker 14: busted coverages on the two touchdowns, and whether they're all

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Speaker 14: Denzel's fault or whether the it's Wan tornhill out of

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Speaker 14: hand to them whomever it was, obviously they didn't work.

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Speaker 14: And then the JK. Dobbins play, which is really at

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Speaker 14: back here late in the second quarter, because you're still

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Speaker 14: hanging around despite those two busted coverages in the two

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Speaker 14: long touchdowns, but the Chargers getting the red zone and

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Speaker 14: and that's where you missed you, okay, and Jordan next

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Speaker 14: right there on that play period. And then offensively they

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Speaker 14: were taken away the first option, Jamis wasn't moving quickly

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Speaker 14: to the second and third option. You knew they were

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Speaker 14: going to play zone. And that's what's the frustrating part

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Speaker 14: of it is you knew all week this is how

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Speaker 14: the Charger is going to play it offensively for the

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Speaker 14: most part, right, and the answers weren't there.

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Speaker 8: No, And at times the answers were there, just he

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Speaker 8: didn't see it or.

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Speaker 14: They weren't exactly better way to say, but you couldn't capitalize,

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Speaker 14: and you couldn't effectively get the ground game going. You

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Speaker 14: fall behind early and you end up throwing it forty

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Speaker 14: five times. You know you're this offense is not built

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Speaker 14: to to go five wide and empty all the time

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Speaker 14: trying to come back from down multiple scores.

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Speaker 8: No, to your point earlier about the defense making plays

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Speaker 8: in the backfield, the Browns had six sacks in this

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Speaker 8: game and ten tackles for a loss in this game.

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Speaker 14: You're not supposed to lose when Miles gets three sacks.

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Speaker 14: Let's put it that way.

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Speaker 8: No, Miles had three, Dalvin had one and a half.

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Speaker 8: That gives him a career high. Three ties his career

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Speaker 8: high with three already. Devin Bush got a sack. Shelby

651
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 8: Harris had half a sack. Miles not only three sacks,

652
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 8: three tackles for a loss, Dalvin two tackles for loss.

653
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 8: Devin Bush had tackle for a loss. Isaiah Maguire had

654
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 8: a tackle for a loss. Obo had two tackles for los.

655
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 8: Za Darius had a tackle for a loss. You were

656
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Speaker 8: making plays in that backfield, and you had four passes

657
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 8: defense as well as a defense. But yet you know

658
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 8: you're right, those breakdowns are the ones that really did

659
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 8: cost you. You mentioned the ground game. Nick Chubb fifteen

660
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 8: carries for thirty nine yards in this one, and really

661
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 8: he's averaging under three yards of carry now over three games.

662
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 8: I said earlier, it's clear to me he is not

663
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Speaker 8: back to the Nick Chubb of old, and you just

664
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Speaker 8: you know that's going to have to take some time

665
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Speaker 8: coming off of an injury like the one he suffered.

666
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Speaker 14: Right, Yeah, I mean said it a thousand times. Return

667
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 14: to play is not necessarily a return to performance. We

668
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 14: have seen glimpses of it. I think he's gotten better

669
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Speaker 14: progressively with each week. Any player that comes back from

670
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Speaker 14: just an ACL injury, especially a skill position player, especially

671
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 14: in running back, will tell you that they are back,

672
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 14: but they are not the same. It takes a week

673
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 14: or two or three. Sometimes it takes six. Sometimes they

674
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Speaker 14: say they're not back until their second full season recovered

675
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 14: from the injury. Nick just didn't tear an ACL. He

676
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 14: tore everything everything in his knee. He was shredded. It

677
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 14: is a medical marvel and a testament to his hard

678
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 14: work that he's back after having that done and done

679
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 14: that to his knee multiple times now, so he's back.

680
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 14: I would also love to see, you know, Khalil Mack

681
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 14: not able to chase him in a backside pursuit multiple

682
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 14: times where he, you know, might have yardage running left

683
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 14: and Khalil Max slips under a tight end and chases

684
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 14: him down. Right Now, Khalil Max is going to be

685
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 14: in Canton likely one day. He's a good play PU.

686
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 14: He's a good player who made good plays. But you know,

687
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 14: sometimes that backside pursuit gets here where you'd love to

688
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 14: see Nick be able to hit that hole.

689
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 8: You're right, as I look at a Nick Chubb for

690
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 8: the season averaging two point six two yards after contact,

691
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 8: which places him forty seventh in the league. This year,

692
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 8: he's averaging only two point seven yards per carry, so

693
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 8: he's not even getting any opportunity to get down the

694
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 8: field before he is taking that contact. The league leaders

695
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 8: think bigsby four point forty yards after contact per carry.

696
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,479
Speaker 8: Guys like Tony Pollar, Josh Jacobs, James Connor, Derrick Henry,

697
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 8: they're all three point six so full yard after contact

698
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 8: or more above where Nick Chubb is right now. So yes,

699
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 8: you've got to get that going. All right, Let's talk

700
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 8: about a couple of the bright spots, and certainly probably

701
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 8: on offense, the biggest bright spot right now is Cedric Tillman,

702
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 8: who over the last three weeks, you know, is top

703
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 8: five in every single receiver category there is, targets, catches, yards, touchdowns,

704
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 8: all of it. He's been really, really good.

705
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 14: Yeah, and you know he's embracing the opportunity. I enjoyed

706
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 14: my conversation with him last week, and we talked a

707
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 14: lot about just getting the opportunity, embracing it, not looking back,

708
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 14: not looking to say what if if he had had

709
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 14: more chances earlier, but now he's getting them. I know

710
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 14: I didn't talk to him in the locker room afterwards,

711
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 14: but I know that he let one slip, boy, and

712
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 14: he knows that as well in the red zone. You know,

713
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 14: he got blasted. Troy Dye was sitting there and blasted him.

714
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 14: Didn't hold onto the football that that was a game

715
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 14: changing play. But I think the Browns that found something.

716
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Speaker 14: He was a third round pick for a reason. He

717
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 14: is a part of the future here and I'm encouraged

718
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 14: and I can't wait to see what he can do

719
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Speaker 14: the second half of the year.

720
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Speaker 8: All right, big picture trade dead line looming obviously tomorrow

721
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 8: four pm. Where does this team go? You're at two

722
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 8: and seven. You are currently tied, unfortunately for the worst

723
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 8: record in the NFL with a great number of teams,

724
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 8: in fact, the most teams since nineteen seventy to have

725
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 8: just two wins through nine weeks of an NFL season.

726
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 8: So where do you go? And you know, part of it,

727
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 8: I think everybody's like trade everything. You really don't have

728
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 8: a lot of leverage. You have the clock ticking against

729
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 8: you and teams knowing that you want to trade. So

730
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 8: it's not I think it's maybe a little easier said

731
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 8: than done. But you know, you think about where you

732
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 8: are in the AFC coming into the game, you were

733
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 8: eleventh in the conference and only seven get in you

734
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Speaker 8: lost to the team that was seventh, they're now sixth,

735
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 8: and you sit at thirteenth in the conference right now.

736
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 8: What do you do here? What do you do with

737
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 8: this trade deadline? What's your plan?

738
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Speaker 14: I mean, I think the Brown's gonna give the most

739
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 14: calls about their defensive line depths. I know we've thrown

740
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 14: as it Arius's name around plenty, but she'll Harris is

741
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 14: playing well. Dalvin is rounding into the Dalvin that we

742
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 14: saw last year. He is playing well. Even a guy

743
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 14: like obo Obo played a heck of a game yesterday

744
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 14: as well. Teams need pass rushers. I think Andrew Berry's

745
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 14: phone will ring about pass rushers. If I were another team,

746
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Speaker 14: I would call about Jed. He's in the fifth year,

747
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 14: and Kevin made it clear today that Delon Jones is

748
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 14: the starter moving forward here at left tackle. I don't

749
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Speaker 14: know what you're going to get. I mean, he is

750
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Speaker 14: a first round pick. He has shown the ability to

751
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Speaker 14: play at a first round pretty darn good level. Haven't

752
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 14: seen it recently, obviously, and he came back from the

753
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 14: knee injury and hasn't been himself this year. But I

754
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 14: think teams would call about Jed as well. I don't

755
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Speaker 14: buy the Nadjoku talk that was out there yesterday that

756
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Speaker 14: my Florio and Pro Football Talk Road. I don't buy

757
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 14: that one. But yeah, look, you you also have to understand,

758
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 14: like you said, the leverage thing here is what are

759
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 14: you going to get in return to you? And I

760
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 14: were texting last night, people go, oh, he's z Is

761
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 14: gone into the to the Lions for a three. A

762
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 14: they don't own a three and be there four would

763
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Speaker 14: be like pick one forty five or something if they

764
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Speaker 14: make it the NFC Championship Game or the Super Bowl.

765
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Speaker 14: So you're not going to get an amazing return if

766
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Speaker 14: you go to Detroit. I thought, maybe, hey, what about

767
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 14: the Cowboys. Well, now Dak Prescott's going to be out

768
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 14: multiple weeks and they're three and five, and are they

769
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 14: going to be buyers or sellers if I'm the Cowboy.

770
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 14: If I'm the Cowboys, I'm a seller tomorrow. But right

771
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 14: that's not in Jerry Jones DNA. So it'll be interesting, man,

772
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 14: it will be.

773
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Speaker 8: And you know I was talking before we brought you on.

774
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 8: I was going through the offensive side of it, and

775
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 8: I'll do the defense later in the show. But to me,

776
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 8: this is about, you know, looking at you know, young

777
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 8: guys on both sides of the ball and off who's

778
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 8: going to be your core in twenty twenty five and beyond,

779
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 8: Because sure, yes you have a chance obviously to do

780
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 8: something rather historic. Still it's on the table. You can't

781
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 8: say that it isn'tuntil you're eliminated, but it feels unlikely

782
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 8: at this point. So to me, you know a quarterback

783
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 8: that's dtring back, it's about getting Nick Chubb back at

784
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 8: the format. Receiver, Judy's under contract, Tilman's under contract, Elijah

785
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 8: Moore still a young player on his rookie deal, and

786
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Speaker 8: then Jamari Thrash is somebody I wouldn't mind seeing, you know,

787
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 8: chief is the only tight end there. And then on

788
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 8: the line, it's really Dewan Jones is the one guy

789
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 8: that kind of fits that bill. Unless you were to

790
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 8: maybe make a move, maybe somebody does call about a

791
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 8: Joel Botonio the way that Joe Tom Denver called about

792
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 8: Joe Thomas all those many years ago. And then maybe

793
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 8: you see if can Jed play guard? I don't know,

794
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 8: but that's really kind of what you're looking at. On offense,

795
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Speaker 8: I think do you agree with that?

796
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 10: No?

797
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Speaker 14: I do agree, and I'm looking at Zack Syner got

798
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 14: thrown into a fire earlier in the season. You might

799
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 14: see him later in the year as well, Shane. You

800
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 14: can't see more Luke Whippler here. Obviously he's out for

801
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 14: the year. I would love to see a little bit

802
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 14: of p here strong. You and I talked about that

803
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 14: a lot. I think he's he's got the speed, he's

804
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 14: got a first I know, maybe ball security was the

805
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 14: thing last year. Haven't seen that yet this year. I

806
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 14: think he has a little juice to the offense. And

807
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 14: I too would like to see dtr I know people

808
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 14: push back and say, oh, we haven't seen it from

809
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 14: but we've only seen the preseason. Well, the circumstances his

810
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 14: regular season play have not always been ideal. Would love

811
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 14: to see him get a shot. I mean, listen, a

812
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 14: week ago, this conversation was a heck of a lot different.

813
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 14: You're riding the wave of optimism and say what if

814
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 14: I look, if the Browns had played better and they

815
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 14: were three and six. They now have a buy and

816
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 14: they're heading to New Orleans to take on a team

817
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 14: that just fired its head coach. It's in total disarray

818
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 14: right now, absolute disarray that didn't happen, so you got

819
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 14: to deal with the consequences of them. The consequences are

820
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 14: the total reevaluation. The roster isn't any different today than

821
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 14: it was a week ago. It isn't. The difference is

822
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 14: you went out there and you played a bad game

823
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 14: all around yesterday save four save for the defense standing

824
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 14: on its head for the majority of the afternoon. Yet

825
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 14: they had a couple of breakdowns, and those breakdowns put

826
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 14: you in a hole. Those breakdowns actually happen, So you're

827
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 14: not three and six, you're two and seven, which doesn't

828
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 14: sound that much different, but in reality, it is considering

829
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Speaker 14: the NFL landscape.

830
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Speaker 8: And it is because one of the teams that I

831
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 8: think you knew you were going to have to catch

832
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 8: was your opponent on Sunday, was the Chargers, and so

833
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 8: that is.

834
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Speaker 14: But you have the Broncos coming up to and they lost,

835
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 14: Like that's what just when? When when when you sit

836
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 14: back and you look NATed and sorry to cut off

837
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 14: and the rest of everything, you're like, man, if you

838
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 14: only had that one right, then you could beat New Orleans.

839
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Speaker 14: Who knows what happens with the Steelers, but you get

840
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 14: them on a short week in your own building. I

841
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 14: mean that's I mean, that's best case scenario. Certainly beaten

842
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 14: the Steelers on a TNF at home in years past,

843
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 14: and then you get Denver just I mean, the what

844
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 14: ifs are the most frustrating, bleeping part of this whole

845
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 14: thing this morning.

846
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's you're right. And you know, we saw

847
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 8: some quotes in various articles of you know, veterans coming

848
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 8: out being like, I've never I don't even know what

849
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 8: to do. I've never been in this situation where at

850
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 8: the bye week it felt like, you know, things were

851
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 8: out of reach. And so that's that's the other part

852
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 8: of it.

853
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 10: You know.

854
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 8: Defensively, you've seen some young guys step up. I think

855
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 8: i A. McGuire has looked good. I think Mike Hall

856
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 8: is still flashed at times. You mentioned the veterans on

857
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 8: the defensive line, they've been great. Mamod Diabatte at the

858
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 8: second level certainly has shown some promise. M j Emerson's

859
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 8: looking a lot more like m j Emerson had in

860
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 8: previous seasons. You know, there's still a lot to like. Obviously,

861
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 8: Grant Delpa I think, is having a great year. But yes,

862
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 8: the whole just has not been what the sum of

863
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 8: the parts should indicate that it has been. And so

864
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 8: I think there's got to be a little bit of

865
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 8: an evaluation, right, a little bit of trying to figure

866
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 8: out over this bye week how we can get Last

867
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Speaker 8: year we were a much more depleted team that played

868
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 8: a heck of a lot better. And it's easy to

869
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 8: say it's quarterback play, and I think that that's a

870
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 8: big part of it, but it is. There's more to

871
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Speaker 8: it than that.

872
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 14: Sure, And look if you if you get a ninety

873
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 14: eight percent on your report card defensively, but the two

874
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 14: percent were explosive touchdowns. I mean, those explosive touchdowns still count.

875
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 14: Offense just never got to go in yesterday. Not blaming

876
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 14: the defense at all at all, the offense never got

877
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 14: it going. I mean the eight minute drive to open

878
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 14: up the third quarter. You're like, all right, you're marching

879
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 14: down the field, you're getting the breaks, you're completing passes.

880
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 14: You go for it on fourth that, by the way,

881
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 14: the fourth and one was not there. Give your own

882
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 14: fourth credit for the if you will. I mean, you

883
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 14: pushed him right through. That wasn't there, that was dead.

884
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 14: You keep the drive alive and then give the other

885
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 14: guys make place too. I mean tar heets still. I

886
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 14: don't know how many times I looked at that, at

887
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 14: that pick in the corner, a little more air underneath it.

888
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 14: I know, the kid made a good play. And then

889
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 14: you know the back shoulder. I mean some of the

890
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 14: throws the bus are one thing, but the back shoulder

891
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 14: and Herbert threw to Emerson, Now I thought I didn't

892
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 14: go anywhere. Yeah, like that's that's a he's better than

893
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 14: you played, not better than them. It's just like that

894
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 14: guy is good. That guy's the top five guy for

895
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 14: a reason. That's a heck of a throw. You don't

896
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 14: stop that. It was a great play. So the Chargers

897
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 14: made plays as well, and the Browns simply offensively did

898
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 14: not make enough of them. They're taking away the end cuts.

899
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 14: I mean even the ball were the one of the

900
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 14: picks that the pick to Elijah More, the guy undercut it.

901
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 14: The guy made a good play.

902
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 3: You know.

903
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, ball hung on the air just enough, was a

904
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 8: little bit on the back shoulder, just enough that it

905
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 8: turned obviously into another interception. And you know part of

906
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 8: it was and we had we had told people coming in,

907
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 8: you know, you Baltimore went into that game last week

908
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 8: as the worst pass defense in the league prior to

909
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 8: losing their top two corners, and so you had basically

910
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 8: a perfect mark Store Williams, right, So you had kind

911
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 8: of a perfect storm of this was going to be

912
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 8: a success and if we weren't for a few drops

913
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 8: by their secondary, that game looks different. This was gonna

914
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 8: be a much tougher task. This was the number one

915
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 8: scoring defense obviously in the National Football League. Had been

916
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 8: a good pass defense, despite the fact that you'd say

917
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 8: these are are starting two fifth round rookies at corner

918
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 8: and teams have not been able to take advantage. They've

919
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 8: been very sound in their scheme. And you know, speaking

920
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 8: of bus, I was talking with Gibe earlier, and you

921
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 8: know this as a Browns fan, I was thinking back

922
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 8: over the last four years because at twenty twenty one

923
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 8: when we played the Chargers, there was one of those

924
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 8: where they had a bus. We opened that season with

925
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 8: a bust against Carolina. It feels like there have been

926
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 8: about you know, ten I may be exaggerating of these

927
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 8: types of plays, where there certainly one against the Jets,

928
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 8: at least five I know of for sure, and there's

929
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 8: probably a few others. I'm forgetting over the last four

930
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 8: years where we just have these busts in zone that

931
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 8: lead to the easiest touchdowns ever, and it never happens

932
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Speaker 8: for us. It doesn't feel like it ever happens for us.

933
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Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, Archi, Lenna and Marshall. I drew up

934
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 14: one on that on that fourth down in the second

935
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Speaker 14: half where Jamis threw it to Chubb in space after

936
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Speaker 14: the right and then he got tripped up. I think

937
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 14: Troy died again. Made a play. You know. You see

938
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 14: Tilman running free and they're like, oh, he missed that one. Eh,

939
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Speaker 14: I don't know. By the time he turned his shoulders,

940
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Speaker 14: that's when the dB sell off Tillman started driving to

941
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 14: the backfield there. I don't know that he missed one,

942
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 14: but that that could have been one of those busts.

943
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 14: If you, I don't know, look to the flat and

944
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 14: then look back deep. You know what I'm saying.

945
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Speaker 8: I know, yeah, no doubt, no doubt. All right, If

946
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 8: you could see one thing coming out of the bye

947
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Speaker 8: week for this Browns team, what do you want it

948
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Speaker 8: to be?

949
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 14: Can we talk again after four periods tomorrow?

950
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 8: I believe wasn't there. I would love to see many

951
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 8: times before.

952
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Speaker 14: That would love to see dt R. Now I don't

953
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 14: necessarily mean this week, but but you have to find

954
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 14: out what you got. You just got, you have to

955
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 14: oh you organizationally, you have to find out what you have.

956
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 14: And then that doesn't mean you're going to try to

957
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 14: lose a game quite quite the contract. The guy won

958
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 14: a game last year at Pittsburgh. I know it wasn't

959
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 14: I'm sorry against Pittsburgh. You know, put together at the

960
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 14: drive at the end and they won the game. Obviously

961
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 14: defense factored in that as well. But I would love

962
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Speaker 14: to see him. I am a fan, and maybe you

963
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 14: find out that he is going to be a legit

964
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 14: number two moving forward. That's a good answer. He's still

965
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 14: on a rope contract. That's a good thing to know.

966
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 14: So go find that out. And whether that's in New Orleans,

967
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Speaker 14: whether that's at Denver on a Monday night, giving him

968
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 14: a second consecutive start in Denver, I don't know, but

969
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 14: you gotta find it that eventually.

970
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Speaker 8: Yes, you do. The great Andrew Siciliano, thanks so much

971
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Speaker 8: for the time. Enjoy the sun and the surf, and

972
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Speaker 8: we will talk with you again soon, my friend.

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Speaker 14: I'm a friend, see you soon.

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Speaker 8: few twisted t's on Sunday after watching the Browns not

996
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 8: have a great performance against the Chargers. Just overall your

997
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 8: takeaways from watching that game, and it was one that

998
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 8: you know you had to win, and it was one

999
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Speaker 8: that if you did, kind of gave you a little

1000
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Speaker 8: life here in this season.

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Speaker 15: Well, I think Jamis needed to play better than he

1002
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 15: did the week before, even though you know he had

1003
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 15: great numbers a week before against the Ravens.

1004
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 3: Everybody that watched the game realized, you know.

1005
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 15: We got pretty fortunate on a few of those passes

1006
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 15: that should have been intercepted and that weren't. And so

1007
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 15: you're feeling pretty good and hoping, hey, you know, if

1008
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 15: Jamis doesn't maybe toss those throws that potentially could turn

1009
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 15: into interceptions, you're going to have an opportunity to move

1010
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 15: the ball on offense.

1011
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 3: But you still got a limit mistakes, which they didn't.

1012
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 15: You know, when you're playing Jim Harbaugh and a team

1013
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 15: that's old school and kind of relies on those low,

1014
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 15: lower scoring games, you got to play good on special teams.

1015
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 3: They didn't.

1016
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 15: You know you missed a field goal, Yeah, give up

1017
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 15: big returns in the return game. You make mistakes there.

1018
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 15: Those are hidden yards that are really important when you're

1019
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 15: playing against the tough, hard nosed defensive type team like

1020
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 15: Jim Harboughs teams. And then going back to Jameis Winston,

1021
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 15: you know, those picks that were interceptions yesterday weren't interceptions

1022
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 15: against the Ravens. So it was kind of all the

1023
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 15: things that you needed to have happen didn't happen. And

1024
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 15: then your defense had breakdowns that led to huge plays

1025
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 15: in the passing game that you can't have against a

1026
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 15: talented quarterback like Justin Herbert. So just kind of the

1027
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 15: polar opposite of what we saw in that stadium the

1028
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 15: week before against the Ravens.

1029
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Speaker 8: You mentioned the defensive breakdowns. How does that happen? How

1030
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 8: does that keep happening? And you and I have time

1031
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 8: this is We've had this conversation on way too many

1032
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 8: mondays where guys just run free for the easiest touchdowns

1033
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 8: in the world when you're just not all on the

1034
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 8: same page. How's that happen?

1035
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a communication issue.

1036
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 15: And without being in those meetings and without being in

1037
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 15: that room, it's hard to know, like, was it not

1038
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 15: communicated clearly during the week, understanding, hey, what's the check

1039
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 15: when they get into this formation with the receivers, you know,

1040
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 15: or maybe it was coming in from the sideline and

1041
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 15: one of the players got it and didn't give it

1042
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 15: to the next guy. Right, It's like a game of

1043
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 15: telephone out there in the secondary. You know, you've got

1044
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 15: to give a call and you've got to get a call,

1045
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 15: and that's important to make sure everybody's always on the

1046
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 15: same page every time they're out there, whether it's a

1047
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 15: hand signal or whether you're looking at the sideline and

1048
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 15: looking at the coach. But whenever you have those communication breakdowns,

1049
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 15: it's because something probably wasn't communicated clearly, there was a

1050
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 15: little bit of indecision, or just when you're on the field,

1051
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 15: you're maybe not focused on exactly the task at hand,

1052
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 15: and so you overlook some of the details because you're

1053
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 15: totally not locked in on exactly what needs to happen.

1054
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 15: But either way, you know, as a left tackle, my

1055
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 15: mistakes led to points. You know, quarterback stack fumble, you know,

1056
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,919
Speaker 15: hit quarterback as he's throwing interception, and it's the same

1057
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 15: idea when you're playing in the secondary, like the mistakes

1058
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 15: are kind of how you're judged. Right, you give a

1059
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 15: big play, it doesn't matter how many great coverage plays

1060
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 15: you had earlier.

1061
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Speaker 3: It's those one or.

1062
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Speaker 15: Two mistakes that lead to easy touchdowns that you know

1063
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Speaker 15: are the difference in a lot of NFL games, because

1064
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 15: NFL games are typically going to come down to two

1065
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 15: or three big plays that one team makes or the

1066
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Speaker 15: other team makes that lead to your victory.

1067
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Speaker 8: And here's the thing about it, this is this was

1068
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 8: the worst part about it. The first touchdown was on

1069
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Speaker 8: a third and twenty one. The second touchdown was on

1070
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Speaker 8: a third and six. These are third down plays, I

1071
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Speaker 8: mean third and twenty one that should be just about

1072
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 8: automatic off the you know that you're off the field there,

1073
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Speaker 8: and instead it ends up being a touchdown with those busts.

1074
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Speaker 8: And you mentioned it was just you know, critical mistakes

1075
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 8: on both sides of the ball, and I'd say bus

1076
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 8: at handout free touchdowns are every bit as painful as

1077
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 8: an interception, in fact, probably more so because it leads

1078
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 8: directly to seven points on the scoreboard. Now we heard

1079
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 8: today that you know, Kevin Spanski said, at least now

1080
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 8: on this Monday, they have gotten to their self scout

1081
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 8: or really gotten into things, but that you know, there

1082
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 8: would be no major changes coming out of this. I've

1083
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 8: been on you know, I want to see dtr get

1084
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 8: an extended period just to see what you've got. I

1085
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 8: think at this point we know what we know who

1086
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 8: Jamis is. I mean, Jamis has shown us in two

1087
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 8: games exactly is can make all the throws absolutely, but

1088
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 8: also can throw the ball to the opponent at any time,

1089
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 8: can be lead the league in passing. I mean he

1090
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 8: saw a fifty one hundred and nine yards back in

1091
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 8: twenty nineteen. But what do you what what would you

1092
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 8: want to see or what did you what do you

1093
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 8: hope to hear as this team, you know, goes forward

1094
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 8: and in light of the fact that the trade deadlines tomorrow.

1095
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 15: Yeah, well, obviously the conversation is going to be about, right,

1096
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 15: who are the guys that are going to be part

1097
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 15: of our future next.

1098
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 3: Season and then the season after right? Those?

1099
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 15: Yep, those are the guys that you're starting to talk

1100
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 15: about that if if they don't have a long term

1101
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 15: future beyond one year beyond next season, potentially they have

1102
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 15: trade value. And you're thinking all right, we're not going

1103
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 15: to make the playoffs this year, So who are the

1104
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 15: guys who can get value for that aren't going to

1105
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 15: be part of the plan next year, or even if

1106
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 15: they are, maybe you're still going to say, hey, you

1107
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 15: know what, it makes more sense because we understand we've

1108
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 15: got a lot of questions that need to be answered

1109
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 15: before we're going to be able to be a team

1110
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 15: that competes for the playoffs. And so maybe you're thinking

1111
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 15: that we need to restock a little bit more through

1112
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 15: the draft and take a little bit longer term approach.

1113
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 15: And I'm sure those are the conversations that they're having

1114
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 15: right now to try to figure out, you know, like

1115
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 15: how deep do we have to rebuild to be able

1116
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 15: to get ourselves back to the playoffs? So we feel

1117
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 15: like we're close, or do we feel like, you know,

1118
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 15: we need to maybe get a little bit younger and

1119
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 15: pick up some more draft capital. Obviously, there's going to

1120
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 15: be plenty of guys that are still around that are

1121
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 15: impact players that they want to keep around for a

1122
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 15: long time. But I think you have to take a

1123
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 15: big look at your team before the trade deadline and

1124
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 15: who are the guys that potentially you could move for

1125
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 15: talent or draft picks that are going to be here

1126
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 15: potentially longer. And then, like you said, I think DTR

1127
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 15: it's reasonable to at least want to get a look

1128
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 15: from him because I think after two games we've seen

1129
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 15: the same version of Javis that we've seen throughout his career.

1130
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: I think that's going to be kind of who he is.

1131
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 3: He's gonna throw a lot of passes down the field.

1132
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 15: He's gonna throw for a lot of yards, but he's

1133
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 15: gonna put the ball in the air a lot and

1134
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 15: potentially they're gonna be turnovers. So I think you know

1135
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 15: what you have with the jamis and DTR would be

1136
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 15: that guy that would be good to get some looks.

1137
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 15: I think Nick Chubb continuing to work him back into

1138
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 15: form and trying to figure out, you know, how healthy

1139
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 15: is that need is he going to be able to

1140
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 15: get back to one hundred percent by the end of

1141
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 15: the season. You know, he only had thirty nine yards now,

1142
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 15: the blocking wasn't there for his fifteen carries, but I

1143
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 15: think continuing to kind of ramp him up to a

1144
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 15: full load is a good thing the rest of the

1145
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 15: season to try to figure out kind of where he

1146
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 15: is and that progression, and then just trying to figure

1147
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 15: out some of those young receivers right, keep getting Cedric

1148
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 15: Tillman involved. I think he's been maybe a bright spot

1149
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 15: for us six sketches in the game, seventy five yards

1150
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 15: after playing great again the Ravens. So as he gets

1151
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 15: more opportunity, he's lost any more. So give him some

1152
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 15: more opportunities on offense. Maybe try to get Elijah Moore

1153
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 15: figure out, you know, if he's.

1154
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 3: A guy that can be part of the long term plan.

1155
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 15: So I think there's a lot of things that you

1156
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 15: can still learn on this offense the rest of the

1157
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 15: season that can help you make those decisions you have

1158
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 15: to make in the offseason.

1159
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is not where we thought we were going

1160
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 8: to be right after nine games. This is just not

1161
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 8: what you thought this Browns team would be. Unfortunately, you

1162
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 8: have had some seasons where you were with the Cleveland

1163
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 8: Browns that after nine weeks it was looking pretty bleak.

1164
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 8: How do you this team is probably the big difference,

1165
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 8: so as this team was not supposed to be in

1166
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 8: that boat at all. So how do you in the

1167
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 8: locker room? How do you get guys to stay focused

1168
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 8: and to not be thinking about vacation. They get paid

1169
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 8: the same, they all know that, But how do you

1170
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 8: get them to stay focused and try to do something historic,

1171
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 8: try to shock the world.

1172
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, I think you can talk about we

1173
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 15: need to take care of us, like in each individual

1174
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 15: position group, like on the offensive line, I'm talking to

1175
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 15: them like, hey, guys, now, we got to play better

1176
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 15: than we've ever played, right, because the spotlight is on

1177
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 15: us more than ever, right because the evaluations right now

1178
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 15: are being made and the critical decisions, and the tie

1179
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 15: goes to the guy that's not in the room. Let's

1180
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 15: be honest, right now, when you're on a losing team,

1181
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 15: if there's any hesitation or you're wondering, you know, in

1182
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 15: the off season, is it the guy that we've got

1183
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 15: or the guy that you know is the green grass

1184
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 15: on the other side of the hill, Like who should

1185
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 15: we go for? I think a lot of times when

1186
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 15: you're on a losing team, unfortunately, the tie goes to

1187
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 15: the guy that you don't have, And so I think

1188
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 15: it's more important for those guys now than ever to

1189
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 15: play their best football because you know that everybody's being

1190
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 15: critically evaluated and trying to figure out, hey, are you

1191
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 15: part of the problem orre you part of the solution, right,

1192
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 15: And so I think that's kind of the big message

1193
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 15: within those rooms, making sure those leaders are selling, hey,

1194
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 15: this is as important of time as any for us

1195
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 15: to make sure that we can be part of the

1196
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 15: solution going down this the rest of the season and

1197
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 15: then next year and then you know, if you are

1198
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 15: able to string a couple of wins together, then maybe

1199
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 15: you can start trying to sell the belief in the playoffs.

1200
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 15: But I think if you're a captain, if you're one

1201
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 15: of the leaders in the group, and you're still pushing

1202
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 15: the playoffs, it's like the motivation. I think you're gonna

1203
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 15: get some deaf years because I think people realize, you

1204
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 15: know that that's a stretch at this point, but you know,

1205
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 15: you're always playing for your team and then the team

1206
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 15: that's watching that film. So just trying to find little

1207
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 15: ways to continue to keep guys motivated and focused on

1208
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 15: their job. Do your job now more than ever, because

1209
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 15: it's when people are really putting you under the microscope.

1210
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 8: Obviously, we're talking with the hoff and it's you know,

1211
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 8: tough conversations about a Browns team that has not been

1212
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 8: what we expected to be However, there was there were

1213
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 8: some bright spots in this game. We talked about Cedric

1214
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 8: Tillman already, but defensively, six sacks in the first half half,

1215
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,919
Speaker 8: three of them by Miles Garrett, two of which came

1216
01:01:58,280 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 8: on the same drive. I think it goes three secs

1217
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 8: and four pass plays for him against a pretty darn

1218
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 8: good offensive line with first round left tackles, a Pro bowler,

1219
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 8: a Pro bowler at left tackle, a first round right tackle,

1220
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 8: top five pick in Joe Alt, and Miles just was dominant.

1221
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 8: The pass rush really was good. Now, no sacks in

1222
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 8: the second half, but the charges really were not on

1223
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 8: an offensive ton. But six sacks in the first half,

1224
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 8: three by Miles Garrett. What did you see there?

1225
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 15: Yeah, pass rush was really good. Obviously getting to Justin Herbert,

1226
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,479
Speaker 15: you were able to do a lot of good things.

1227
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 15: And that's the shame, I think for the defense overhaul.

1228
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 15: You look at the numbers, I mean, Justin Herbert had

1229
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 15: a perfect passer rating one hundred and fifty eight. It

1230
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 15: was fourteen of sixteen to fifty two touchdowns just in

1231
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 15: the first half, and so like you look at those numbers,

1232
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 15: you go, man, they must have really stunk. But it

1233
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 15: was really just shooting themselves in the foot. Like we

1234
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 15: talked about earlier, it was those self inflicted wounds because

1235
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 15: you make communication areas in the secondary. Somebody's running wide

1236
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 15: open justin Herbert's gonna hit him, And those big plays

1237
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 15: just hurt you so much because obviously they're seven. But

1238
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 15: then when you think about it, it's like, you know,

1239
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 15: you can play a great game on defense and give

1240
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 15: up three big plays twenty one points, you know, and

1241
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 15: then obviously it's not good enough. So I think you

1242
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 15: want to make sure you don't overlook some of the

1243
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 15: great bright spots, and I think pass rush certainly was

1244
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 15: one of them. But getting that back end secured, settled,

1245
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 15: figured out what the communication issues is huge because there

1246
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 15: are a bunch of great veterans back there. I mean,

1247
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 15: we got multiple Pro bowlers in the secondary. We should

1248
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 15: have one of the best secondaries in the league and

1249
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 15: their experience, so they shouldn't be making these communication mistakes

1250
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 15: that are leading these big plays.

1251
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 3: Just not acceptable.

1252
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 8: No, it really is not acceptable, and it is obviously

1253
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 8: very very unfortunate that this is where this football team is.

1254
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 8: Do you expect, you know, I think one of the

1255
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 8: things that is Now, the Browns are part of the

1256
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 8: reason that this trade deadline got moved back a week.

1257
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 8: They'd like to even see it moved back further. And

1258
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 8: I think it makes sense right teams need to know

1259
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 8: are they in or are they out before the trade

1260
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 8: deadline in the NFL, what's realistic? It feels like the

1261
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 8: NFL trade deadline people talk about a lot of stuff

1262
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 8: and then very little actually happens. Now, we've had some

1263
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 8: big wide receiver trades earlier in the season than this

1264
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 8: week here, But what do you kind of make of

1265
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 8: the trade deadline and what do you expect to have happen.

1266
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 15: Well, I think the big conversation for the Browns has

1267
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 15: been around Zadaria Smith, especially going potentially to the Lions,

1268
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 15: because they're a team that obviously is going to be

1269
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 15: potentially competing for a championship. They just lost their pass

1270
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 15: rusher and made Nutchinson a couple of weeks ago, and

1271
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 15: they're looking to replace him, and Zadaria Smith is still

1272
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 15: getting after the quarterback, so I think he'll be the

1273
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 15: guy that probably gets the most attention. But I mean,

1274
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 15: everybody potentially could be available if the price is right,

1275
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 15: and I think it's good to have that.

1276
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 3: Trade deadline move back.

1277
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 15: I know you don't want to trade deadline to be

1278
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 15: like right towards the end of the season, because obviously

1279
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 15: you don't want teams just stocking up like crazy to

1280
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 15: make a run and then also just ripping the cupboards

1281
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 15: bear of some other team that now has some bunch

1282
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 15: of bumps that can't even be competitive down the stretch.

1283
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 15: So it's important to have a trade deadline kind of

1284
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 15: towards the end of the season, but not all the

1285
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 15: way to the end of the season. But I think

1286
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 15: having it a little bit later, where like a team

1287
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 15: like the Browns potentially could feel like, you know, we're

1288
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 15: not making the playoffs. We need to start thinking about

1289
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 15: next season. And I think those trades, in those situations,

1290
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 15: they're win wins on both sides. So I think it

1291
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 15: was good to move that trade deadline back a little bit.

1292
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,959
Speaker 8: And most certainly was when you have a team where

1293
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 8: you know the whole is not equal to the sum

1294
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 8: of the parts. It is, in fact, it is less

1295
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 8: than and that I think is what happened here. And

1296
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 8: we've heard it, you know, the story of the offense

1297
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 8: all season with self inflicted wounds. Now we're hearing the

1298
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 8: defense use self inflicted wounds. You're a coach now, you've

1299
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 8: been a player and a coach. You've been on both

1300
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 8: sides of it. As a player, you're the one who's

1301
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 8: playing right. You're responsible that it's coach, you're responsible for

1302
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 8: preparing the player for every possible scenario so they can

1303
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 8: act right. I'm sure you had times with the munich

1304
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 8: Rave that the player knew what they were supposed to

1305
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 8: do and they did something differently, and that probably brought

1306
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 8: a level of frustration to coach Hoff. What do you

1307
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 8: make of this? What do you make of self inflicted

1308
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 8: wounds continuing to happen. I'm sure everybody knows the rules,

1309
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 8: they know what coverage they're supposed to be playing, and

1310
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 8: yet it's not happening.

1311
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, those are the frustrating ones for coaches,

1312
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 15: especially if it's something you've gone over a bunch. So

1313
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 15: like I remember as a coach trying to get my

1314
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 15: guys ready right, it was very stressful. Like my time

1315
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 15: as a coach, I really enjoyed it, but I had

1316
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 15: a lot of stress because when I'm getting myself ready,

1317
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 15: I control that right, so I know exactly what I

1318
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 15: need to do I know the study I need to do,

1319
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 15: and then I can go into the game feeling confident

1320
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 15: and comfortable that the haze in the barn, I did

1321
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 15: my study. I'm going to ace the test. But there's

1322
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 15: always that question of mark right when you're going into

1323
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 15: game as a coach, because you don't control it anymore.

1324
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 3: Right, You've done your.

1325
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 15: Best to try to get five guys ready now instead

1326
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 15: of just one. So obviously the amount of work that

1327
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 15: I was doing getting five dudes ready was a lot different.

1328
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 15: But I would try to give them flash cards just

1329
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 15: like I did, where they could go over like the

1330
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 15: most important points, maybe the changes that we made, the adjustments,

1331
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 15: the different things the defense was going to give us.

1332
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 15: I would actually go through and take screenshots of the

1333
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 15: defensive look, and then I would write the play underneath,

1334
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 15: and then they could go through like a PowerPoint and

1335
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 15: press the button so they could kind of quiz themselves

1336
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 15: on you know what the defense is going to give them,

1337
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 15: and then the second slide was all right, this is

1338
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 15: the blitz that you got right, So you could give

1339
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 15: them a way to study so that they could kind

1340
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 15: of learn that way, and then you'd always have a test.

1341
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 3: I'd give them the day before.

1342
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 15: The game where you just have all the different looks

1343
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 15: on a sheet with all the plays, and then they'd

1344
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 15: have to drop the blocking schemes and stuff like that.

1345
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 15: So you kind of hit it in a couple different ways,

1346
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 15: so depending on how somebody learns or if something falls

1347
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 15: through the cracks, you're at least hitting it right before

1348
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 15: the game, and then you're going over it one more

1349
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 15: time in the locker room, just talking about.

1350
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 3: It before they go on the field.

1351
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 15: So that's the last thing, the freshest thing in their minds,

1352
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 15: and so I'm sure the coaches are doing something similar

1353
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 15: to that, and it's frustrating when you're not getting those results,

1354
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 15: especially over something that you've gone over as many times

1355
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 15: as you do in the NFL, because that's all you

1356
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 15: do is football during the season. You're there basically the

1357
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 15: entire day. So it's frustrating, and then it becomes tough

1358
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 15: decision making time. It's like, all, right, are we making

1359
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 15: this mistake on the field because it wasn't coached properly,

1360
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 15: it wasn't communicated properly from us, or does the player

1361
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 15: just not have the ability to focus through a full

1362
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 15: game for whatever reason To be able to clear up

1363
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 15: the details and get everything right consistently, and then if

1364
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 15: you can't do that, you got to find somebody else.

1365
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 8: They do say sometimes coaching is hard for the greatest

1366
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 8: of greats because I know your preparation and you talked

1367
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 8: about what you thought about on every play, and not

1368
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 8: everybody is even capable of that, even if they wanted

1369
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 8: to be. What was that part of it like for you?

1370
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 3: That was tough.

1371
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 15: I pulled those guys a bunch. I said, hey, guys,

1372
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 15: I'm sorry, I'm I know the stuff, and sometimes it's

1373
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 15: hard because for me, I was really good at just

1374
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 15: seeing something and.

1375
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 3: Then doing it like I was.

1376
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 15: I at a high level of like motor skills to

1377
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 15: be able to just watch something one time and then

1378
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 15: make my body do it, and not everybody's like that.

1379
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 15: So it actually was great for my brain to kind

1380
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 15: of learn how to describe, like what I was doing,

1381
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 15: because a lot of times I didn't even have to

1382
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 15: think about it, right, I just did it. And I

1383
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 15: think that's how you see. Probably not as many guys

1384
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 15: that were at that Pro Bowl Hall of Fame leve

1385
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 15: we'll go into coaching, I think, because a lot of

1386
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 15: times they were just so good that they could just

1387
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 15: do it and they never had to learn like the

1388
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 15: detailed method of like describing it or going through different

1389
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 15: little drills. And so I learned a lot just as

1390
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 15: a coach about how to describe and teach and communicate

1391
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 15: things to be able to get it done when it

1392
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 15: was something that was just second nature for me or

1393
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 15: even you know, coaching. We had a guy inmed Simon Hugar.

1394
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 15: He was twenty years old. He'd never played I mean,

1395
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 15: they don't have high school football, they don't have college football.

1396
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 15: They just have clubs. So he just played like small

1397
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 15: time clubs. So this is his first time playing adult football.

1398
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 15: He was playing like youth football a year before. Actually

1399
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 15: turned out to be one of our better players, and

1400
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 15: like we had some given the line injuries. So he

1401
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 15: was a big dude, good athlete. We put him over

1402
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 15: there in D line for a little bit and he

1403
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 15: was a quick learner. But I mean I remember like

1404
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 15: trying to describe the stance to him, and I was like, well,

1405
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 15: just do this, and I would get in a stance

1406
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 15: and he couldn't do it, and I was trying to

1407
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 15: think of a way to like describe it. But it's

1408
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 15: almost like you would be better sometimes as a coach

1409
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 15: when you've had high school experience coaching a guy who's

1410
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 15: walked in and doesn't know how to put his dipads

1411
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 15: in his pants, because then you've learned like the fundamentals

1412
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 15: that way of all, right, you know, put this hand down,

1413
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 15: move this foot back, just as much because after you

1414
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 15: do it for so long, you don't even remember what

1415
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 15: it was like being in high school and being in

1416
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 15: those rooms and getting coached up on some of like

1417
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 15: the most tiny details. So I think that was almost

1418
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,560
Speaker 15: the hardest challenge. Like once we got the guys to

1419
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 15: the middle of the season and all their stances were good,

1420
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 15: they understood the basics, like the little basic footwork and stuff,

1421
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 15: then it was a lot more fun and easy for

1422
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 15: me because I could kind of use the coaching that

1423
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 15: I was using as a player once you get.

1424
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 3: To that higher level.

1425
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 15: But I think that's, you know, one of the challenges

1426
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 15: for all coaches, right is how do I connect with

1427
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 15: my player? How do I get across to him? How

1428
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 15: does he learn so that he doesn't forget it?

1429
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 3: Right?

1430
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 15: I think that's one of those famous sayings. You know,

1431
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 15: you practice not till you get it right but till

1432
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 15: he can't get it wrong. And I think that's a

1433
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 15: great saying in coaching. It's like, all right, how do

1434
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 15: I teach this guy so he can't get it wrong?

1435
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 15: Not so he can just get it right and practice

1436
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 15: a few times, but under duress, how does he understand

1437
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 15: it so that he can't possibly screw it up?

1438
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 8: I love it. I love it. I would have loved

1439
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 8: being in your meetings. Must have been hilarious because things

1440
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 8: to you probably were so not even second nature, where

1441
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 8: just you didn't even whatever would be if there was

1442
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 8: third nature for but just automatic, and they're probably like,

1443
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 8: what are you even talking about right now?

1444
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 14: Haf It was.

1445
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 3: It was great.

1446
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 15: It was fun, yeah, because I could tell, like they

1447
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 15: had a separate chat group with those guys, and I

1448
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 15: was like, you, guys, realize, if you just chatted German

1449
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 15: in our check group, I'm not going to know what

1450
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 15: you're talking about, so you don't have to like chat

1451
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 15: on the side, and I'm not going to get my

1452
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 15: feelings hurt. But I could tell sometimes like I would

1453
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 15: start a film review and I would spend like twenty

1454
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 15: minutes on the first play because I would just get

1455
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 15: into such granular detail because I was just I.

1456
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 3: Was having fun. Really, is that what it was. I

1457
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 3: was excited, you know.

1458
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 15: Talking shop to some guys, and I could tell like

1459
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:23,640
Speaker 15: some of it's going over the head. And then I realized, like,

1460
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 15: oh I only got forty minute stuff. I got another

1461
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 15: forty plays to get through. We're gonna have to see

1462
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 15: this up a little bit. Sorry, I can't spend twenty

1463
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 15: minutes on.

1464
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:33,719
Speaker 8: Each play, didiot? Was that one of the big learnings

1465
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 8: of being a coach was like how to get eighty

1466
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 8: percent of the message across in twenty percent of the time,

1467
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 8: so that you could you could at least help them

1468
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 8: get there in an effective way because you probably you

1469
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,719
Speaker 8: probably could have done your whole meeting on two plays.

1470
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:48,759
Speaker 8: Ever every meeting, Oh.

1471
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that was the hardest thing.

1472
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 15: Was like, once I get going, I was really excited

1473
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 15: to talk about some of this stuff, but then I

1474
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 15: realized I was just spending way too much time. And

1475
01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 15: you as a coach, you're you never have enough time

1476
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 15: to do everything, especially in the offensive line.

1477
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,440
Speaker 3: So it's always prioritizing.

1478
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 15: In your mind, what's the most important thing to tell

1479
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 15: him right now so that we can get the most

1480
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 15: important stuff covered. And that's the same problem in practice,

1481
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 15: you know, especially in the ELF, when we're only really

1482
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 15: practicing like two days a week. It's like, Okay, in

1483
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 15: two days, I got to cover the whole game plan.

1484
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 15: So how do I give him the stuff that's the

1485
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 15: most important right now? And unfortunately I felt bad because

1486
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 15: like some of our more development guys, like the second

1487
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 15: and third stream guys, they just didn't get as much

1488
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 15: quality coaching because you just don't have time once the

1489
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 15: season starts to be able to distribute, you know, one brain,

1490
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 15: one coach's brain to eleven guys.

1491
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 8: It is really that is I remember Larry Bird talked

1492
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 8: about that when he was coaching I want to say,

1493
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 8: the Pacers, and he had to get a very veteran

1494
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 8: team because he just couldn't handle that. You know, a

1495
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:49,560
Speaker 8: lot of the guys just couldn't process what he was

1496
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 8: telling them. So he's like, I need I need guys

1497
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 8: that absolutely understand the game like I do, which I

1498
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 8: think is it makes it makes a lot of sense there,

1499
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 8: all right, hop, what was your bye week routine? I

1500
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 8: would imagine, and let's give me give me early career

1501
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 8: half and then I late career half. I know was

1502
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 8: just healing your body. What was it early career, Well.

1503
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 15: It was more heal in your mind. I mean I

1504
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 15: was always trying to go back to Wisconsin, see some

1505
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 15: friends and family, but just get off my feet. I'd

1506
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 15: usually go do some deer hunting and try to get

1507
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:19,679
Speaker 15: in a tree, get away from football, turn my phone

1508
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 15: off for a little while. Because I think it's especially

1509
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 15: early in your career, it's really important to get that

1510
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 15: mental refresh so your brain just doesn't get turned into

1511
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 15: scrambled eggs by the end of the season because you're

1512
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 15: just learning so much information every day that you know,

1513
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 15: it's pretty easy to just get overwhelmed and kind of

1514
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 15: burned out by the end of the season. Coming from college,

1515
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 15: you only play twelve, maybe thirteen games. It's just so

1516
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 15: much of a shorter season. So I think just getting

1517
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 15: away from the game is the most important thing to

1518
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 15: recharge those batteries and get yourself ready to go for

1519
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 15: a stretch run. Really, second half of the season, it's

1520
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 15: like two different seasons going in training camp, the hot

1521
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 15: part of the season September October, and then all of

1522
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 15: a sudden, you kind of find yourself middle of the season,

1523
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 15: figure out all right, you know, we can make a

1524
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 15: playoff run or maybe not. You know, maybe we've got

1525
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 15: the goals have changed a little bit, and you want

1526
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 15: to be fresh and you want to have your mind

1527
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 15: ready so that you can be at your best every

1528
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 15: single day. So I think just that mental refresh is huge.

1529
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 15: And then as you get older, obviously trying to get

1530
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 15: that active rest is huge because if you just lay

1531
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 15: around for the whole week, like, you're going to feel

1532
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 15: worse than you did before the bye week. So it's

1533
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 15: important to do stuff like I would always tell guys like, hey,

1534
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 15: go take a yoga class, go swim, do something active,

1535
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 15: go for hikes, do whatever you got to do. But

1536
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 15: make sure you're moving your legs every day, you're stretching,

1537
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 15: because otherwise you're gonna come back stiff and rusty. And

1538
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 15: there's nothing worse than trying to get back into it

1539
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 15: after a bye week when you feel worse than before

1540
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 15: this week started.

1541
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 8: Did you always try to take like, also one thing

1542
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 8: obviously you wanted to rest your body, but maybe one

1543
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 8: thing or one concept that you wanted to mentally work

1544
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 8: on and so that when you came back this was

1545
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 8: something that had given you problems or maybe, and for

1546
01:15:58,400 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 8: you maybe that was you know, you're probably obsessed with

1547
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 8: the one play out of the five hundred and seventy

1548
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 8: by the bye week that you had failed. Was there

1549
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 8: anything like that that you would recommend if any players

1550
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 8: happened to be listening to Browns daily right now, that

1551
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 8: you'd say, focus on two things, one thing, just anything

1552
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 8: like that.

1553
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,759
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So it was interesting.

1554
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,799
Speaker 15: Like by my last year, I had a really good process,

1555
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 15: which I think was really important, right because it gives

1556
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 15: you confidence if you have a process, because you go

1557
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,719
Speaker 15: through process, you check off your boxes, and you feel

1558
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 15: good going into the game. But then there's also like

1559
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 15: the week to week process. And back when I was playing,

1560
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 15: there was no mandatory days off during the bye week,

1561
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 15: so we would usually come in practice like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

1562
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 15: and then we get like Friday, Saturday, Sunday off, come

1563
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 15: back practice Monday Tuesday off. So we didn't have quite

1564
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 15: as much time off, so we did more review as

1565
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 15: a group as a unit together. But like by the

1566
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 15: end of my career, we did have that. I think

1567
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 15: it's like a five day mandatory off now, so you'd

1568
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 15: still get a couple of practices in before you leave town.

1569
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 15: But for like the way my process went each week,

1570
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:04,640
Speaker 15: you know, I had my things I wanted to work on,

1571
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 15: so I was taking notes on everything I did. Every

1572
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 15: play got basically reviewed in my notebook, and then if

1573
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 15: I made a mistake, I'd highlight it, and then that

1574
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 15: was the stuff I would review before game day.

1575
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 14: Right.

1576
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 3: But then when you'd review the game film.

1577
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 15: You'd have all your mistakes that you made, and then

1578
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 15: you'd just compile a list, right, and then you'd put

1579
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 15: it on one page so that when the bye week came,

1580
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 15: you could go back to all the games that you're reviewing,

1581
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 15: and then you could see, like, okay, maybe there's three

1582
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:33,759
Speaker 15: or four things from each game that I made a mistake,

1583
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 15: so now make a list, and then every time you

1584
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 15: made the same similar mistake, you make a checklist, and

1585
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 15: then you'd pretty soon have a pretty good idea. Okay,

1586
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 15: you've played nine games, all right, I've made this type

1587
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 15: of mistake seven times, whatever it is, and it might

1588
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 15: be just a little technique thing. But then now you're like, Okay,

1589
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 15: this is clearly my biggest issue right now. Now this

1590
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 15: is what I want to work on during the bye week.

1591
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:57,600
Speaker 15: But how do I get it done right. It's not

1592
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 15: just about going out and practicing. It's like, all right,

1593
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 15: what have I been doing to try to fix this?

1594
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 15: If that's not working because I keep making a mistake.

1595
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,879
Speaker 15: Now I got to try a different drill, different technique,

1596
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 15: do something a little bit differently to try to hammer

1597
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 15: it home. And bye, Week's a great chance to do that, because, well,

1598
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 15: you don't have a game, right, you don't have to

1599
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 15: worry about if I if I switch something up, is

1600
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 15: it going to make everything worse? No, Hey, I can

1601
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:22,759
Speaker 15: try some new stuff. I can try some new drills,

1602
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 15: go out there, practice it a few times against my team,

1603
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 15: my defense potentially, and then I don't have to worry about,

1604
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 15: you know, my quarterback getting killed if I screw it up,

1605
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 15: and maybe I find something that does work for me,

1606
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 15: and then now I can kind of incorporate that as

1607
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 15: part of my technique, as part of kind of who

1608
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 15: I am. And so I think that's just like the

1609
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 15: little process that every player has to build and figure

1610
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 15: out for themselves, because getting better is not just a

1611
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 15: random occurrence. It's not like oh, hey, you know like

1612
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 15: in high school, Oh, I practiced a bunch and now

1613
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 15: I'm a better player. Like at this level, everybody's pretty good.

1614
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 15: They've been coached for a long time. So it's about,

1615
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:58,639
Speaker 15: all right, what's my process that I'm going to figure

1616
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 15: out how to get better at all these little things?

1617
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 15: Because if I just get better at one thing by

1618
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:03,760
Speaker 15: the end of the season, like I'm gonna be a

1619
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 15: much better player every single season. And so you just

1620
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 15: kind of stack those things and it's kind of like

1621
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 15: you know, working on a car or something. Just a

1622
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 15: little bit over time, a.

1623
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:15,799
Speaker 8: Little bit here, a little bit, they're a little tinkering

1624
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 8: to get it too perfect. Off, you are the greatest, duh,

1625
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 8: You're the hof Always a joy talking with you, even

1626
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:26,440
Speaker 8: and they're not so glorious times for our Cleveland Browns.

1627
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 3: No doubt do you.

1628
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 15: I appreciate you having me on. It's always get the

1629
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:32,839
Speaker 15: chat and look forward to getting backed up to Cleveland

1630
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 15: there in a couple of weeks.

1631
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 8: Oh well, it's gonna be it's gonna be a feast.

1632
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 8: So maybe yes, indeed, yeah, start your planning now. I

1633
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 8: know how you like to know when you're gonna have

1634
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:42,640
Speaker 8: a crazy meal, you like to plan for it to

1635
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 8: make begin the planning all right, perfect time, all right,

1636
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 8: haf all right when we come back, We're gonna get

1637
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1639
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,800
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1640
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1653
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Speaker 16: Chargers now start on their own twenty one yard lineup

1654
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 16: seven to nothing on the Browns pike.

1655
01:20:58,560 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 8: Pitch to Dobbins Herbert.

1656
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 17: Herbert gets sacked, brought down at the fourteen yard line,

1657
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 17: Welcome back. Miles Garrett take about his first sack. Sin

1658
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 17: Is Vegas in September third and eighteen for the thirteen shotgun.

1659
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 17: Crowd gets loud, Herbert has the snap Herbert to throw.

1660
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 17: Pair comes Garrett, Miles takes them down again.

1661
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 16: Dobbins the back with McCaffrey in motion left or right,

1662
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 16: Herbert playfake, Herbert steps up, Herbert is sacked again.

1663
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 8: Miles Garrett's got three yes say I was getting grief,

1664
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 8: noale from you from her about my gloves. The gloves

1665
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 8: yesterday wooie, hey, I made fun of him. Come on,

1666
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 8: I made fun of him all day, forty degrees in

1667
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 8: the shade and you're just sitting there. You're doing your

1668
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 8: job right. So I just so you know, there were

1669
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 8: other people at handwarmers. Other people had handwarmers and gloves.

1670
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 8: I was just out there. That's called you're the Browns media.

1671
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 8: You know, there's a there's an episode of Curby Your

1672
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 8: Enthusiasm where Larry David goes to a beach party at

1673
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 8: night and he brings with him a jacket in the

1674
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 8: car and when he goes down to the beach, all

1675
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 8: of a sudden it's night time. He starts to get cold,

1676
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 8: so he wants to go get his jacket. He goes

1677
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 8: up to the car where his jacket's gone, comes back

1678
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 8: to the party and he sees his buddy's wife wearing

1679
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 8: his jacket, and so he walks up to her and

1680
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 8: the first thing he does he goes, it's cold out here,

1681
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 8: isn't it. She's like yeah, She's like, fortunately, I found

1682
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 8: this Jacket's like, you found it? Where'd you find it?

1683
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 8: It was in a car? He so if you just

1684
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 8: went to a car and took a jacket, yeh. He said, well,

1685
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 8: that's my jacket. And she's like, do you want it back?

1686
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 8: And he's like, yeah, I do actually, and they go

1687
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 8: back and forth. She ends up not getting the jacket, obviously.

1688
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 8: And the point is Larry was saying, I anticipated being cold.

1689
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 8: I brought the jacket. Therefore, I should be rewarded for

1690
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 8: having the foresight to bring a jacket. A person did

1691
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 8: not have that foresight should not be rewarded. In this case,

1692
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 8: I had the foresight to know that my hands are

1693
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 8: gonna be cold. I brought the gloves. I shouldn't be

1694
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 8: getting angry for I just.

1695
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 2: Wanted to know if you were replacing Dan Marino as

1696
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:17,719
Speaker 2: a spokesperson for Isotner's.

1697
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:21,679
Speaker 8: Call me, I'm available, and my hands were great, best

1698
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 8: of my hands have felt. They were just it was tremendous.

1699
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 8: It was a delight the week before because see where

1700
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 8: where our our desk is set off? Our desk was

1701
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 8: on the brown sideline.

1702
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:32,600
Speaker 2: No problem, you had a little sound check yesterday in

1703
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 2: the background. Nope, we enjoyed watching that from up above.

1704
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 8: Oh my goodness. I was like, what, I'm like, where

1705
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 8: is I coming from?

1706
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 3: What?

1707
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 8: Karaoke? Great performance, by the way, and the guy on

1708
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:49,559
Speaker 8: the and it was the Army's Yeah Music band basically,

1709
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 8: and they did it. They did a great shot. They

1710
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 8: were awesome. But we didn't know where it was coming

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Speaker 8: from at first. There was a guy, Yeah, there was

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Speaker 8: a guy on the scoreboard, though, who was the star

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Speaker 8: of that performance?

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Speaker 14: Who?

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Speaker 8: Sir, whoever you are, thank you. You were tremendous. Probably

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Speaker 8: the most entertaining thing that happened in the stadium. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 8: if he's unless you're a Chargers fan, yes, although Miles

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01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 8: gear getting three sacks was there, by the way, Uh,

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01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:15,560
Speaker 8: it's a great clips. The clip of the week. I

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Speaker 8: feel like we should give the listener the full context there.

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Speaker 8: We should give the oh how did Miles get just

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01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 8: get the sacks, not just that he got him. They

1723
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 8: know he got him Gabe.

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01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 2: In other words, Nathan's upset you didn't include him and

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01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 2: the great clips.

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Speaker 8: Oh g Man did it. Yeah, oh then it's fine.

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Speaker 8: I thought you did it. I thought you did it

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01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 8: just one purpose and were he gives us a bit,

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01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 8: This gives us a thing to talk about. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 8: good Man, No worries. I think g Man did it though,

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01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 8: because he's not a one hundred percent because you got

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Speaker 8: him sick.

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01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 2: I didn't get him sick. I had a sinus infection,

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01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 2: and I can't give that to other people.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's weird because you mentioned that, and then guess

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01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 8: who came down with a sinus infection a couple days later.

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01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:01,640
Speaker 8: All of us here's saying, it's just coincidence that the

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01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 8: people who share an office with you got sick about

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01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 8: seventy two hours after you are sick. No point, at

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01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 8: no point was I even like on my deathbed, like

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01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 8: that there was something. I had nothing going on. I

1742
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 8: went out yesterday while taking a Z pack and played

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01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 8: like a champion.

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01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 2: I think they're overrated. I think I think you need

1745
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 2: I need something more. When I get a E pack,

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01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, i'll see you in five days, because this

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01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 2: isn't going to do anything for me.

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Speaker 8: That's because you have created super bacteria in your body

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01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 8: because you don't finish your antibiotics and sometimes you just

1750
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 8: have the leftovers around and you just pick them up

1751
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 8: and do it. Not in a full regiment. You're creating

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01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 8: super That's why innocent people like me and g Man Jordan.

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01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 8: Look at him, he's on his way to a science infection.

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01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 8: You could tell that's why we're affected. You can tell, huh, well,

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01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 8: just that we're doing just doing the math. It feels

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01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 8: it feels like that's where we're headed.

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01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 2: No, we're not headed that way. Everybody this week we're

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01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,879
Speaker 2: we need to be Everybody needs to take care of themselves.

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01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 8: Well there's no game. If there was a week to

1760
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 8: ask no, no, no, this is not the week you

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01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 8: can enjoy live. Yeah, yeah, we need to We need

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01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:13,599
Speaker 8: to live.

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01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 3: We need to live it.

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01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 8: We need a couple of days when we come back.

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01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:19,680
Speaker 8: Final score of the week to go over. Scores have

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01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 8: been good. I did get mister Bishop's score as that

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01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 8: I texted him as Okay, good see, we're on it.

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Speaker 8: Look at that a couple of professionals. Big bets. All right,

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01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 8: we'll be back. Final thoughts, wrapping up so much more

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Speaker 8: that out, gbabe. It could be a nice bie week

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Speaker 8: activity for you.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe anything's on anything's on the schedule that's not

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Speaker 2: traveling anywhere.

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Speaker 8: Well, I shouldn't say that. We're gonna get out of town,

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01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 8: but not no planes, no planes, just a road trip.

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01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, within a couple hours, just get away for the weekend,

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01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 2: little airbnb, nice where unplugged. Uh, finalizing that, but we're

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01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 2: gonna be on gonna be on a lake, not Lake Erie,

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01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 2: but gonna be on a lake lake.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,720
Speaker 2: I think we're going to take the dogs. And how

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01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 2: about it one of those places just has bars around it.

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01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, go live a little bit as well as well.

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01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 8: You should, all right, you had something you said you

1795
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 8: had made some notes about around the league stuff. Yeah,

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01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 8: I mean, first of all, Saints firing Dennis Ally special.

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01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:03,719
Speaker 8: He has been fired now twice mid season with Derek

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01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 8: Carr as his quarterback with two different franchises. By the way,

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01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,560
Speaker 8: Derek Carr under, I mean I watched that play with

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Speaker 8: a love. Obviously it wasn't a great throw, but it

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01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 8: wasn't anything out of the ordinary. Michael Thomas an angry guy.

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01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 2: Hey, Michael Thomas, you just got to play the game

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01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 2: of football like you had this monster year and were

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01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 2: the and you were the offensive player of the year.

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01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:28,560
Speaker 2: And then you've you've disappeared. You literally fell off the

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01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 2: face of.

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Speaker 8: The right now.

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01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 3: I have no idea.

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01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 8: I wouldn't even know. It's he doesn't do anything. I

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01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 8: can assure you that no, in fact, he is not.

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01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 8: Maybe the Raiders.

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01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:45,679
Speaker 2: Firing offensive coordinator Luke Getzky Luke Getzy offensive line coach

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01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:48,599
Speaker 2: and QB coach. Fourth time in the past five years

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01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 2: the Raiders have switched coordinators or head coaches in the

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01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 2: middle of the season. That is no way to go

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01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:53,719
Speaker 2: through life.

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Speaker 10: No.

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Speaker 8: Michael Thomas, by the way, three time Pro Bowler, two

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01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:59,599
Speaker 8: time first team All Pro All in his first four

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01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 8: season and then the last seventeen twenty five one hundred

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01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 8: and forty nine catches, seventeen twenty five nine touchdowns in

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01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 8: twenty nineteen, twenty plays seven games, didn't play with an

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01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,760
Speaker 8: ankle in twenty one, three games in twenty two, ten

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01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 8: games in twenty three. Yeah, he had not gotten back

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01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:18,600
Speaker 8: to one thousand years just over one thousand yards in

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01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 8: those three seasons, and.

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Speaker 14: Then that was it.

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01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 8: He's not on a roster right now. Tells y' all

1829
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 8: you need to know. Forty nine ers have opened the

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01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 8: window for Christian McCaffrey. Hey practice today. I supposedly look

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01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,559
Speaker 8: good and he is on track to make his return

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01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,560
Speaker 8: to the field this Sunday. And for people who have

1833
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 8: been very patient waiting for him in fantasy football, it

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01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 8: seems like you're going to get him back. Well, if

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01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 8: you're still in contention, congratulations, Yeah I got one. Yeah,

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01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 8: I got one team that is, uh, Denver making a

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01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 8: trade today with Arizona Arizona acquiring edge rusher Baron Browning

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Speaker 8: from Denver for a sixth rounder. Yeah, Baron Browning, I'm

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01:29:55,240 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 8: pretty sure was out of Oklahoma. I'm sorry, from oh State.

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01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 8: That's right, That's why I knew that name. Third round pick.

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01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,680
Speaker 8: There nine and a half sacks in his career. He

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01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 8: had five in twenty two, four and a half and

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Speaker 8: twenty three. Wasn't getting much playing time this year, only

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01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 8: five games, two starts. So he goes Arizona's Arizona obviously

1845
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 8: looking to kind of buttress the edge right there. They're looking,

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01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 8: Yeah as well. They should be right now, their first

1847
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 8: place in that division. Yeah, indeed, a little Monday night

1848
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 8: football score, all right, final score of the week. It's

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01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:34,640
Speaker 8: the Bucks at the Chiefs. I think Travis Kelcey was

1850
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 8: at Taylor's final concert Saturday night in Indy?

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01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 3: Oh?

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01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 8: Was he? I think people are attacking Jason Kelsey and

1853
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 8: he was not having it. Boy, I don't think that's

1854
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 8: the guy I'm going after in the parking lot.

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01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 10: No.

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01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 8: I feel bad for him too. That because he's Jason Kelcey.

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01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 8: Then that like, do you wonder if there are gonna

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01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 8: be any repercussions from this. But that guy was way

1859
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:55,720
Speaker 8: out of line, and he said, here's what I'm gonna

1860
01:30:55,720 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 8: do about it. Kansas City hosting Tampa Bay Bo Bishop.

1861
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 8: He sees this one Chiefs one hundred bucks ninety two,

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01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 8: and I see it the same way. Oh same, the's

1863
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 8: Sames's Sames. So that's where we are with that one.

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01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 8: I don't know that this would be it's it feels

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01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 8: like too many. Who knows? All right, the next level

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