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Speaker 1: Is this a great game or what with the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer Tim Kirkshen. I'm his son, Jeff Kirkshen, And Dad,

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Speaker 1: I'm back on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: I didn't get Wally pimped. Kelly did a great job. Jeff.

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Speaker 2: We're so happy for you. I have met body Bell Kirchen,

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Speaker 2: I have held him. I am so happy that everything

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Speaker 2: is okay. McKinley Hope is doing great. Also, welcome back, Jeff.

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Speaker 2: I know you haven't slept in nine days, but how

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Speaker 2: are you feeling? I feel good.

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Speaker 1: We've had three nights now of decent stretches of sleep.

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Speaker 1: You know, newborn's kind of just run your world for

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Speaker 1: a little bit until you can get them into a schedule.

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Speaker 2: So, but my wife, Emily is a godsend.

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Speaker 1: Obviously delivering the baby, she was incredible, and now taking

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Speaker 1: care of two kids. She is the matriarch, the queen

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Speaker 2: You would know a little something about that. Yeah, so, Jeff,

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Speaker 2: you have one or two kids now? Is that correct? No? Dad,

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Speaker 2: I know that's the question you asked Steve Russia that

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Speaker 2: And how did he answer it, but it's worth not.

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Speaker 2: He goes, Yes, that's right, I have two or three kids.

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Speaker 1: But you have to remember, dad, that you're the one

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Speaker 1: that set me up for that nonsense, because you were

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Speaker 1: actually went.

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Speaker 2: You came here and you said, I have.

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Speaker 1: To visit McKinley, my daughter, because you wanted to make

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Speaker 1: sure she felt special in the moment, that you weren't

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Speaker 1: brought her. You brought her a squish mollow, which I

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Speaker 2: Right, Yes, exactly. And Jeff, you know how this works

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Speaker 2: because when you were born. I don't think you know this,

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Speaker 2: but I did the same thing with Kelly, your older sister.

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Speaker 2: a little bit too long, right, all right, Jeff, speaking

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Speaker 2: of Kelly. Okay, Kelly did a fantastic job filling in

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Speaker 2: she was incredible, not just for filling in, but for

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Speaker 2: I got such a big kick out out of some

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Speaker 2: great job, Kelly. So happy you don't sound like your

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Speaker 2: dad or Jeff, what does that mean? He was having

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Speaker 1: And you know, when we started this podcast we said

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Speaker 2: And Kelly's voice is just so different than ours. But

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Speaker 2: Jim Selby sent in something. This is how we've corrupted

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Speaker 2: all of our listeners, he said, he wrote to us.

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Speaker 2: He said, I was watching a game with my wife

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Speaker 1: Game Changer of the Week, What do you have?

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna go with Pete crow Armstrong of

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Speaker 2: And no, Jeff, Jeff, he's the greatest combination of powers.

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Speaker 2: But the kicker here, Jeff, and I'm going to try

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Speaker 2: All right? Dad? Your court chuns? What do you have?

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Speaker 2: All right? So cold? Keith of the Tigers is good player,

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Speaker 2: He's the sixth player this year to strike out two

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Speaker 2: or more times in six consecutive games. I thought, well,

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Speaker 2: he's got to be the only one to do it

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Speaker 2: this year. He's one of six. Oh my god, Jeff,

433
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Speaker 2: this is where the strikeout rate is right now, because

434
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Speaker 2: the stuff we see is just again off the charts,

435
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Speaker 2: and if you don't make an adjustment, strikeouts are going

436
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Speaker 2: to happen all the time. Aaron Ashby, reliever of the Brewers.

437
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Speaker 2: We brought him up several times, right he became the

438
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Speaker 2: first relief pitchers. He's the first ten game winner in

439
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 2: baseball this year and he's a reliever, and he's ten

440
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Speaker 2: and zero. So he's the second reliever in history to

441
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Speaker 2: be the first one to get to ten victories. So

442
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: no starter as dead. The first to get there is

443
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Speaker 2: a reliever with ten. He's ten and zero. Elroy Hae

444
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Speaker 2: Face in nineteen fifty nine is the only other reliever

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Speaker 2: to get to ten wins. First Face that year we

446
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: brought this up. He went eighteen and one and he

447
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Speaker 2: finished like fifth, tied for fifth in wins that year.

448
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Speaker 2: But what if? What if? What if Aaron Ashby leads

449
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Speaker 2: the League of wins. What if he doesn't lose it,

450
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Speaker 2: he gains What if he goes twenty at zero? Well,

451
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Speaker 2: how many batters did face face that year? Pretty good, Jeff.

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Speaker 2: All Right, So the other day in Baltimore, Jim Palmer

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Speaker 2: brought our friend Jim Palmer brought this up on the air.

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Speaker 2: There was an error on one play, an error by

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Speaker 2: the oriole second baseman, Jackson Holiday, and an error by

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Speaker 2: their shortstop, Gunnar Henderson on the same play. So like

457
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Speaker 2: Holiday makes a fielding error and then throws it to

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Speaker 2: Henderson who's trying to get the guy third, and he

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Speaker 2: throws it away. So on the same play we had

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Speaker 2: an error by the second baseman and the shortstop. And

461
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Speaker 2: Jim Palmer said on the air, I don't think I've

462
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 2: ever seen that before. You I don't think I've seen that. Well,

463
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure, I'm sure it's happened. I wasn't gonna bother

464
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 2: Frank with the elias on this, but these are the

465
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: two most sure handed guys on the team in theory,

466
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Speaker 2: the second basement at the shortstop, and they both made

467
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Speaker 2: an error on the same play. So that was pretty

468
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Speaker 2: pretty nice.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Frank from the Alias, he reached out to us,

470
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Speaker 1: saying he would love to have us come do the

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Speaker 1: podcast at the Elias Sports Bureau and I, Dad, you know,

472
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Speaker 1: you and I were talking about it yesterday.

473
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Speaker 2: But we've got the new born, We've got McKinley running arounds.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot. It's a lot.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to talk shop when the kids are around.

476
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: And I was up last night multiple times helping change

477
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Speaker 1: diapers with baby body, and.

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Speaker 2: I figured it out.

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Speaker 1: I've got a wedding up up in Maine on a

480
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Speaker 1: Saturday in August. Drive down from that, we're driving stop

481
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Speaker 1: in New York, Elias Sports Bureau.

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Speaker 2: Drive down easy. What do you have think? Right? Two

483
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 2: kids in the car board in the middle of Manhattan.

484
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 2: Good luck, Let's catch a cab. I don't think so,

485
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Speaker 2: all right, Jeff, you know much. I love playing with names.

486
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: We do that early burger, Burger early whatever. So for

487
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 2: all those mash uh, you know, fans of the Great

488
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Speaker 2: Show Mash, We've already had this happen this year. But tonight,

489
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Speaker 2: Wednesday night, we're filming this. On Wednesday, the Reds are

490
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Speaker 2: playing the Mets, and Nolan McLain is pitching, and and

491
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Speaker 2: Tyler Stevenson catches for so we we've already had this

492
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Speaker 2: I double checked. So we have it shot at a

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Speaker 2: at a McLean Stevenson pitcher batting matchup. And of course

494
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Speaker 2: he was in McLean Stevenson. The actor was in the

495
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Speaker 2: in the show mash does that? Does it ring a

496
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Speaker 2: bell at all? Throws right over my head.

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Speaker 1: Dad, I'm much I'm much more fit to Mike Shure's

498
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: type of shows. He's created Parks and right Brooklyn nine nine,

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Speaker 1: the Office right right.

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Speaker 2: Well, my one of my high school teammates, Stuart Goldblatt,

501
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 2: said he just gets a kick out of every time

502
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: he sees Stevenson and McLean. So we just put him together,

503
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 2: perfect for him. And last one Jeff And this is

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Speaker 2: this is the dumbest thing ever. I'm just I'm just

505
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 2: fascinated by this. This a's pitcher. His name is Gage Jump.

506
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: That's his name, Gage g A G. E. Jump. And

507
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: so now I think we can complete we can complete this.

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Speaker 2: There was an outfielder named Johnny Hop.

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Speaker 1: Perfect name for an outfielder, by the way, right, might

510
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: might be a better infielder, middle infielder, now that I

511
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Speaker 1: think about it.

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Speaker 2: On a Hop right, So, uh so we have a

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Speaker 2: hop and a skip right skip Schumacher. Yeah, who's the

514
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Speaker 2: manager of the Texas Rangers, played in the major leagues.

515
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Speaker 2: And now we have gauge jump. So we have a hop,

516
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Speaker 2: a skip and then a jump. Pretty good. Huh, that's

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Speaker 2: pretty I mean you could.

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Speaker 1: Make a whole you can make a whole team of

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Speaker 1: like modes of moving like bar.

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Speaker 2: I already tried Bob walk, I did. I is there

521
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 2: a run? I've now hit. I looked up jog sliding,

522
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Speaker 2: Billy Hamilton. I've tried, I did. I tried to come

523
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Speaker 2: up with a baseball movement team, Tim, and he's movement right,

524
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Speaker 2: and I haven't been able to put it all together yet.

525
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: Plus we have a different team, Tim coming up as

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Speaker 2: another tribute to your sister for filling in last week.

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Speaker 2: So we'll get to that.

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Speaker 1: Like Homer Bailey, Homer by a home, I'm not really

529
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Speaker 1: a movement. I'm trying to help you here.

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00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: Right, I need some help. But we're working on turner.

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Speaker 2: You're turning. There's tons of turners turning the corner. Yes,

532
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Speaker 2: I had a list here and I think I've lost it.

533
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Speaker 1: But never mind, Oh Jimmy warning tracks. No wait, no,

534
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Speaker 1: he's not he's not sliding Billy Hamilton on this state

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Speaker 1: in baseball history, Dad, what do you have this date?

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Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty six. Don Sutton one game number three hundred

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Speaker 2: in his career. And Don Sutton, you know, until Clayton

538
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 2: Kershaw came along, had more strikeouts than any Dodger in

539
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Speaker 2: the history of the franchise, you know, more than Kofax Drivesdale.

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Speaker 2: Don Sutton was a great and underrated pitcher, Jeff, and

541
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Speaker 2: he made thirty or more starts in a season twenty

542
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Speaker 2: different time. Nobody starts thirty games anymore. He did it

543
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Speaker 2: twenty different times, and had like three other seasons like

544
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Speaker 2: shortened by you know, labor stoppages where he had like

545
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Speaker 2: twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine. But thirty starts twenty

546
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Speaker 2: different time. That's incredible. I mean, he's so durable and

547
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Speaker 2: as Rick Suckliffe, my dear friend, once said, the best

548
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: ability you can have is durability. And he went out

549
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: there all the time. So please don't tell me that

550
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Speaker 2: someone who pitched for that long, when that many games,

551
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: struck up that many guys, was just a compiler. Okay,

552
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: there is something to be said for having the ability

553
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Speaker 2: to go out there and go to the post every

554
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Speaker 2: day for basically twenty twenty five years. That's incredible. That's

555
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Speaker 2: what Don Sutton did all right this date in nineteen

556
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Speaker 2: seventy five. I'll never forget this night. Freddie Lynn, a

557
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: rookie for the Red Sox, had three homers, a triple

558
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: and a single, drove in ten runs. And that was

559
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Speaker 2: the year that he won the Rookie of the Year

560
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Speaker 2: and the most Valuable Player. It was just stunning how

561
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Speaker 2: good he was that year, right like this far into

562
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Speaker 2: the season. Everyone started paying attention to Freddie Lynn after that.

563
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Speaker 2: And a sad thing, Jeff, and we're going to talk

564
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Speaker 2: more about this in a minute, but Willie Mays died

565
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Speaker 2: on this date in twenty twenty four, and maybe my

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Speaker 2: favorite story I've ever written, although I've said that about

567
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: many stories I've written, was Willy Mays's ninetieth birthday story

568
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Speaker 2: that I wrote for ESPN dot com. And I probably

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Speaker 2: called thirty different players who played with or against Willy Mays,

570
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Speaker 2: and every one of them had a story about Willy

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Speaker 2: Mays that was just tremendous. And that's what I do

572
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Speaker 2: for a living. I collect stories. But I remember asking

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Speaker 2: our friend Johnny Bench tell me about Willie Mays, and

574
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Speaker 2: he said he was magical, he was perfect, and that's

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Speaker 2: how he described Willy Mays. And Johnny Bench told me

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Speaker 2: his first year on the All Star team, he's like

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Speaker 2: twelve years old. Okay, but he's in the All Star

578
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Speaker 2: Game and he's in the clubhouse before the game, and

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Speaker 2: Willie Mays came up to him and whispered in Johnny

580
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Speaker 2: Bench's ear, you should be starting in the All Star Game.

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Speaker 2: And Johnny Bench said that was the only validation he

582
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Speaker 2: needed that he not just belonged in the major leagues,

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Speaker 2: but actually belonged in the All Star Game. When Willie Mays,

584
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Speaker 2: the greatest player most people have ever seen, came up

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Speaker 2: to him and said, you should be starting. That's how

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Speaker 2: good you've been.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's game recognizing game. And you know, with how

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Speaker 1: competitive Willy Mays was, it's amazing for him to go

589
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Speaker 1: out of his way to take the time.

590
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Speaker 2: To do that. Absolutely tremendously sane.

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00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to steal your thunder here, but we're

592
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: doing the alphabet right, every single letter of the alphabet.

593
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Speaker 1: We're taking the last name of a player for the

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Speaker 1: best pitcher and best batter, right, So should we just

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Speaker 1: go right into the M batter?

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Speaker 2: I need to preface it with it. First off, M

597
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: is one of the best number best letters ever. And

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Speaker 2: at the end of this process, after we get through

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Speaker 2: all twenty six letters, we're going to have a We're

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Speaker 2: gonna let our readers and listeners chime in on what

601
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: is the best letter and in other words, what is

602
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: the best combination of pitcher and batter. So we have

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00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: at the a's we had Hank Aaron and Grover Cleveland,

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Speaker 2: Pete Alexander. Okay, pretty hard to beat. But M's gonna

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00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: be right in there. But I got such a funny

606
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: email the other text message from Kent Murker. Kent Murker,

607
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: really good pitcher in his time, through a no hitter

608
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Speaker 2: in the major leagues and out of the blue, like

609
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night. He sends me his

610
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: text message and he says, I love the alphabet thing

611
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: that you're doing. He says, but M. So he's looking

612
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: forward to M. He's been following us. M is going

613
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: to be really hard, especially for the pictures. He said,

614
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: because you got Messina, you got Marichelle, Matt Matthewson, you

615
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: got Maddox and you got Murker, so keed touchet. And

616
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: then the last thing he writes to me is my

617
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: girls will be watching, like his daughters are going to

618
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Speaker 2: be listening, So I have to pick him at m

619
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Speaker 2: never mind, all right, we're gonna start with Willie Mays.

620
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Speaker 2: Obviously is the greatest m well not he's the greatest

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Speaker 2: m ever, but Jeff, Joe Morgan, Mickey Mantle. Are you

622
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: kidding me? There are so many great ms out there,

623
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Speaker 2: but there's nobody better than Willie Mays. I'll never forget

624
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: for that story that I wrote. I called Reggie Jackson

625
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: and I said, what was it like to play and

626
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: watch Willie against Willie Mays? And and you know, and

627
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: just watch him play? He goes. He said, it was

628
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: like watching Jim Brown, It was like watching Michael Jordan.

629
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Speaker 2: It was like watching Steph Curry. It was like watching

630
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: Simone Biles. He said, it was like it was like

631
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: poetry in motion. It was like an artist in everything

632
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: that he did. That's how great Willie Mays was. He

633
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: won twelve gold gloves, Jeff, and he would have won

634
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: a lot more. They didn't start awarding the gold gloves

635
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: until like six years into his career, so his twelve

636
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: gold gloves is the most ever for anyone in the

637
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: five hundred home run club. He's one of the great

638
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: base runners ever. Orlando Sepeida told me, he's the greatest

639
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: base runner I've ever seen. And you know, all those

640
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: years he played a Candlestick Park fourteen years there where

641
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: the wind was blowing in. If it weren't, if he

642
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: didn't play that ballpark, he would have hit well over

643
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Speaker 2: seven hundred homers. He hit six hundred and sixty in

644
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: his career. And this is how good he was. Joe

645
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: Torrey told me the story once that Willie gets in

646
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: the box is telling is having a conversation with Joe Tory,

647
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: the catcher, and he's talking to Joe Tory during the

648
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: bat and telling him about this great restaurant that he

649
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: recently went to. And he's talking to him while almost

650
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: while the pitcher's coming in. And then Willie hits a

651
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: home run and as he starts to run to first,

652
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: he turns back to Joe Tory and says, I'll finish

653
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: that story later. I got to run around the bases

654
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: now with another home run. And Bobby Valentine told me

655
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: in two thousand when the Mets made the World Series

656
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 2: and they were playing in the playoffs in San Francisco,

657
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: he had Willie Mays come in and talk to his team,

658
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: and some of the players on the Mets did not

659
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: know who Willy Mays was. So I told this to

660
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: Pete Rose, and Pete Rose said, they don't know who

661
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: Willy Mays is. And then Pete looks at me and

662
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 2: he goes, do they know who God is? That's what

663
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: Pete Rose says. That's how revered Willie Mays was. So

664
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: the greatest m of all time is the greatest player

665
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: that I've ever seen, Willie Mays number twenty four incredible.

666
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 2: Let's go to Pitcher, all right, the picture is not

667
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 2: Kent Murger Burker. Now. I joked with him. I wrote

668
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: back to him, It's either Maddox, Matthewson or Murker, all right.

669
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: I put him ahead of Mareschal, Mike Messina, and a

670
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: bunch of others for Kent Murger for a laugh. But

671
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: I mean, Greg Maddox is the greatest control picture of

672
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 2: all time. He won four cy Youngs. He's one of

673
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: the greatest pictures I've ever seen, and in career value,

674
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: might be the greatest picture of all time when it

675
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: comes to career value, other of other than of course,

676
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: Walter Johnson. Did I ever tell you I went to

677
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: Walter Johns Hey did Kelly say that at all during

678
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: the Yes she is she did? She did? Of course

679
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: I set her up for that three hundred and fifty

680
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: five wins, three point one sixty ra. And he was

681
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 2: so proud of the fact that he could throw a

682
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: strike whenever he wanted to. He had nine hundred and

683
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 2: ninety nine walks in his career, Wow, and pitch well

684
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 2: over five thousand innings Jeff Okay, and the last three

685
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 2: he knew he was retiring that year. So the last

686
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 2: three starts of his career, which he's in his forties now,

687
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: he didn't walk anyone because he was not about to

688
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: walk a thousand guys in his career. That's who Greg

689
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 2: Maddix was. And I still if you haven't seen this

690
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: at home, you got to go find One of the

691
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: greatest things I've ever seen is when Chris Bryant in

692
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: his prime with the Cubs, living in Las Vegas in

693
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: the off season, takes batting practice and he's being taped

694
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: taking batting practice and they pull a giant trick on

695
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: Chris Bryant that the guy who's throwing him batting practice

696
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: suddenly gets hurt and has to leave the mound. So

697
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 2: the camera guy says, well, let me throw. Well, the

698
00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: camera guy for this incredible video was Greg Maddox, dressed

699
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: in like with a beer and a sky. No one

700
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: knew it was Greg Maddox. So now Greg Maddox, who's

701
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: in his fifties, now gets on the mound and starts

702
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: to throw to Chris Bryan and he's still throwing every

703
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: pitch to strike. And Chris Brian said a couple times

704
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: during the scene, boy, the camera guy's got really new stuff.

705
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 2: And it wasn't that he was throwing really hard. Chris

706
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: Brian wasn't swinging and missing, but he was having trouble

707
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: like barreling up a ball because Greg Maddox, even at

708
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: that age, recognized if I throw it there, he's not

709
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 2: going to hit a home run. He might not hit

710
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 2: it really hard if I throw it there or in there.

711
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: And he's just locating at that age, right, He's locating

712
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: at that age pretending to be the camera guy. If

713
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 2: you haven't seen it, it's one of the most priceless

714
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: things I've ever seen it. Of course, Maddox takes off

715
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: the disguise and Chris Brian goes, oh my gosh, it's

716
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: Greg Matten. It reminds me of Uncle Drew back boy.

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00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: That's one of our favorite stuff.

718
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: So great, all right, So it's so great to be

719
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: back in the basement, so great to be back on

720
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: the podcast and all that great. You know, I know that.

721
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: Did Kelly do her Pokemon card bit with you?

722
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: No? She did ask me if I could, if I

723
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 2: could tell her what Pikachu turned into he evolved into into, Yes,

724
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 2: and I knew that whole thing. Peachu becomes Pikachu, who

725
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: becomes right you? Yeah, And you know the reason why

726
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: I asked.

727
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: Obviously I watched the episode, but I don't know if

728
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: it like ended up on the cutting room floor or whatever.

729
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: So she did that just the Pokemon quick Nothing ended

730
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: up on the cutting rooms floor. Only when you co

731
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: host the show did things end up on the Sorry, Jeff,

732
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:43,959
Speaker 1: that wasn't very fun.

733
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: That wasn't very It was a joke. It was a joke.

734
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: I have thick skin. Yeah, I work in local radio.

735
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: I've got very thick skin. Trust me, all right, Jeff,

736
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: it was great.

737
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 2: So no, we didn't do three pokemons in the bathroom

738
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 2: or anything, but and.

739
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: Which would be mess, you know what I mean, Three

740
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: Pokemon in the bathroom.

741
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 2: Hopefully they're all water types, you know what I mean.

742
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: Digit We don't what digg lit in the bathroom. We

743
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 2: can't have that. Terrible all right, very good? All right?

744
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: What are your three cards in the bathroom? They're not

745
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: in the bathroom. They're out of your closet. So, yeah,

746
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: I have a sliding door behind me, Dad, And you

747
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna be honest with you. I got to

748
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: bring that box down for you because I have that

749
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: up there just as my memories, and every time you

750
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: come here, the box is strewn across the floor.

751
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: I need to. I need to make it easier for you.

752
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 2: It's a little too heavy for it now it's up there.

753
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 2: Not the point. I just reached in and grabbed three cards. First,

754
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: one is Mike Bordick. Mike Bordick is one of my

755
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: favorite players that I ever covered. And Jeff, he's from Maine,

756
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: and he told me routinely they would have to in

757
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: high school, like shovel the snow off of the field

758
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: in order to practice or play a game in Maine

759
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: in February March April, you know, May of you know

760
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: how cold it would get up there. But this is

761
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: why he was such a good player and a tough

762
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 2: little guy, because he grew up in the cold and

763
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: he was used to play. He told me once that

764
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: they would go take a spring trip to like Florida,

765
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 2: and it would be like sixty eight degrees in Florida,

766
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 2: and some of the kids in Florida go, God, it's

767
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: awful cold to play today, and he's thinking, thirty eight.

768
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: We're playing at eighteen degrees. Ye, this is perfect. So

769
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: Tony LaRussa told me once that he knew all about

770
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: Mike Bordock and like the second game he ever saw

771
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 2: Mike Bordick play, Mike Bordick's playing shortstop at Fenway Park

772
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: playing for the A's and Dwight Evans, who came into

773
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: second as hard as any man who's ever played the game.

774
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 2: And what a compliment that is. By the way back

775
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 2: when you could crush the shortstop and it was legal.

776
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: So he absolutely destroys Mike Bordick on a double play,

777
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: and Mike Bordick continues on and makes the double play

778
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: and then like three innings later, same thing happens, and

779
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: here comes Dwight Gooden again, and Mike Bordock stood right

780
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: in there and made the double play. Jeff, you get

781
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 2: hit by Dwight Gooden at full speed with metal spikes

782
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 2: at you, you usually flinch the next time. Not Mike Bordock.

783
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 2: And that's why he ended up being such a good

784
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: major league player for such a long time. The second

785
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: one is the cowboy Jeff Branley, my former teammate at ESPN.

786
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: I laughed for that guy so many times. And Jeff Brandley,

787
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 2: all he wanted to do was go to the University

788
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: of Alabama and play baseball, and they didn't want him.

789
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 2: So he went to missis and they went to Mississippi State,

790
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: and he became a great closer at Mississippi State and

791
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: a great closer in the major leagues. And he had

792
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: that chip on his shoulders the entire time. She's kind

793
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: of a short guy, a little bit chunky. He was

794
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 2: a wrestler, the greatest athlete the world in high school.

795
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: But he made it work. And when I used to

796
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 2: talk to him about it, I asked him years after

797
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 2: he retired, I said, can you still throw a baseball.

798
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 2: He goes, no, my arm, my arm is killing me.

799
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: I could barely lift it up here. No, and I set.

800
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: I felt sorry for him a little bit, and I said, well,

801
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 2: would you have changed anything? And he goes, I pitched

802
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: fifteen years in the major leagues. I wouldn't change a thing,

803
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter. I can't lift my arm this

804
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 2: high when I'm fifty years old. I pitched in the

805
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: big leagues and I saved a bunch of games. You know,

806
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 2: So the Cowboy one of my favorite people. Ever.

807
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: I know we make a lot of comparisons to other sports,

808
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: and I know Michael Jordan didn't make his freshman team,

809
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: so don't come at me with that, right, But I

810
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: feel like baseball is so unique in the sense of like,

811
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: look at Steve Sparks our guests from a couple of

812
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: weeks ago. He said I'll run with the pitchers, and

813
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: then he became a major league pitcher years later. The

814
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 1: point is not everybody like on your basketball team is

815
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: like the guy who's the best on your basketball team

816
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: is the most likely to play in college and play

817
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: in the NBA. The sixth man on your high school

818
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: team isn't going to the NBA. But in that case

819
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,959
Speaker 1: of Jeff Brantley, it's a great example of he really

820
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: figured it out after high school into college, into the

821
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: minor leagues.

822
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 2: It's what our coaches and our scouts and our.

823
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: System they build players that have the right abilities.

824
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 2: And Jeff the chip on the shoulder really mass big deal.

825
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: Dustin broya great example. Oh my goodness, biggest chip on

826
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: his shoulder. Don't start me on Dustin Proia because that

827
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: chip carried him as long as he did. He's an

828
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: inch and a half taller than me, and he won

829
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 2: an MVP in the league because that chip on his shoulder.

830
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 2: He said, I'll show those people who think I'm too short,

831
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 2: I'll show you. I love that. Yeah.

832
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 3: Him.

833
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 2: Last one is Jeff Conine. And Jeff Conine again, I

834
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 2: say this all the time, one of my favorite players

835
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: I ever covered. I'll never forget that. They played a

836
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: game on Opening Day in Baltimore many years ago, and

837
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: it's there was a snowstorm during game. It only lasted

838
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 2: like seven minutes, but it's snowed like it was the

839
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 2: middle of the winter. So I asked Jeff Cody the

840
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: next day, like, what was that Like? He said it

841
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 2: was like being inside of a snow globe. What. Oh yeah, yeah,

842
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 2: it's like, what's happening here? So also I got to

843
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 2: talking to Jeff co and I once about how hard

844
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: the game is to play. I'm sure I've told you

845
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 2: this story, but he said, people don't understand how hard

846
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 2: baseball is to play. Okay, he said, I have a

847
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: buddy of mine. He's not a baseball player. He's a

848
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: golfer and a really good one. But he said he

849
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: wanted to catch Rob Nen. Rob Nn, of course, at

850
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: the time, was like the star closer for the Giants.

851
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: He threw like one hundred miles an hour with a

852
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 2: slider that just like took off right. So the golfer

853
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: friend says, I'd like to catch Rob Nen in a game,

854
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 2: and Jeff con I says, you can't catch Rob Nenn.

855
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 2: He would kill you, and he goes, no, I think

856
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 2: I can do it. So Jeff Conine tells his buddy

857
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 2: come to the picnic today and I'll throw to you

858
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 2: and if you can catch me, then we'll see if

859
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: we can get some gear on you and you can

860
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: try to catch Rob Ned. So Jeff Codin says, the

861
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: first pitch I threw to him, I broke his watch,

862
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: so he missed it by so much that it hit

863
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: him on the back of his wrist and broke his watch.

864
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: And he said, if I hadn't broken his watch, I

865
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: would have broken his arms. Yeah. So this is just

866
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 2: another reminder as I defend baseball players every single day

867
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: in my life. Hardest game in the world to play.

868
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: Average person doesn't understand if you haven't ever caught before,

869
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: you have zero chance of catching rob Nen. Zero. So

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00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: that was the Jeff Conine story.

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00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: Well, Dad, it goes without saying thank you, thank you,

872
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 1: thank you for coming up to the house in Pennsylvania,

873
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: to the basement studio, but most importantly to spend time

874
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: with my daughter and my son. Jeff, I'm not used

875
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: to saying that my son. I just I called body

876
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: she hey, did you change her diaper yet?

877
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: A million times? And he's only sick days old, right, Jeff.

878
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: It's gonna keep happening, and you guys are really up

879
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: against it now. But I'm so happy and so proud,

880
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: and we got by without you because of Kelly. And

881
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: they shout out Kelly and as a tribute to Kelly,

882
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 2: since she did such a great job pinch hitting for you.

883
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: Yes that the All team tim are the greatest pinch hitters,

884
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: at least my favorite pinch hitters of all time at

885
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: each position. Our catcher is Smoky Burgess, who had one

886
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: hundred and forty five hits as a pinch hitter, very

887
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 2: close over Jerry May. Another guy I grew up watching.

888
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 2: First baseman is John Vanderwald, who had twenty eight successful

889
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 2: pinch hits in nineteen ninety five. Second baseman is Lenny Harris,

890
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 2: who has the most pinch hits two hundred and twelve

891
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 2: in Major League history. And I always love Lenny Harris

892
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: when he played for the Rockies would play like every

893
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 2: position on the field. Annie pinch hit all the time,

894
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: and he pinch ran and the bench guys on their

895
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: team they had nickname for each other. They were called

896
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 2: the stunt men, and I always love that, like they

897
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: were always filling in for like the star of the team.

898
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: Hey he needs a day off. You have to play

899
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 2: shortstop today, so the stunt men. I love that Lenny

900
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: Harris could really hit, and what a great guy. Dave

901
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 2: Hansen is our third basement. He had one hundred and

902
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: thirty eight successful pinch hits. Our shortstop more of a

903
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: second baseman Brooks Conrad who hit two pinchhit game winning

904
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 2: grand slams two of them. That's pretty hard to do.

905
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 2: Matt Stairs is one outfielder. He had twenty three pinchhit homers.

906
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: Matt Stairs who said Matt Stairs is better than Babe Ruth.

907
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: Do you remember in this conversation I had who were chilling, hurt, chilling,

908
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 2: that's chilling in the green room before a show at ESPN.

909
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: Is he knows exactly how to get me angry. And

910
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 2: we get to talking about Babe Ruth and he looks

911
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: at me and goes, Tim, Matt Stairs is way better

912
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: than Babe Ruth. And I didn't even know what to say.

913
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: We titled one of our podcast episodes Matt Stairs better.

914
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 2: Than Babe Ruth. Question mark right.

915
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: It was at the time the biggest episode we'd ever

916
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: put on because of the title. Alright, because I think

917
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: people thought Tim Kirksten was gonna say that.

918
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 2: Now, obviously that's clear Matt Stairs could really hit. Matt

919
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 2: Stairs was a great teammate and a good belittling Matt Stars. No,

920
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 2: but if he's better than Babe Ruth, that I have

921
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 2: wasted the last fifty years of my life try and

922
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 2: explain to people that the people who came before us

923
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: in baseball actually matters. If he's better than baby Ruth,

924
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: then my son body can feel the grounder in the

925
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: major leagues right now. Okay, Manny Mota on that list

926
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: lifetime three hundred hitter. You know, one of the great

927
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: first pinch hitters we've ever seen, one hundred and fifty hits,

928
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 2: and my favorite pinchhitter all time because I grew up

929
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: watching him play, was Gates Brown, who, as a pinch

930
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: hitter in nineteen sixty eight for the world champion Tigers,

931
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,959
Speaker 2: batted four point fifty as a pinch hitter that year,

932
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: and fittingly his first he had a pinch hit home

933
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: run in his first Major league at bad Gates Brown.

934
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: So this is this means nothing to anyone but me

935
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 2: and like four other people. But my sports editor at

936
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: the Washington Star, Dave Smith, who then became my sports

937
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 2: editor at the Dallas Morning News, the guy who had

938
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: more to do with me becoming a baseball writer than

939
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: anyone in the business. He just out of the blue

940
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 2: told me one day, he said, do you know who

941
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 2: I went to high school with? And I said who,

942
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 2: He said, Gates Brown.

943
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 3: What How could I have known you for two years

944
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 3: and you didn't tell me that Gates Brown and Dave

945
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 3: Smith were at where high school colleagues.

946
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 2: That's just so crazy, just amazing. And last one, our

947
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 2: pitcher is Wes Farrell. He went hit three homers and

948
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: hit thirty RBIs as a pinch hitter two sixteen. One

949
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: of the great hitting pitchers of all time. But why

950
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 2: did I pick Wes Farrell? I just told this story

951
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 2: like a month ago. What did he do? Wes Farrell

952
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: back to back walk off home Oh, that's right, one

953
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,919
Speaker 2: as a pitcher and one as a hinch hitter. There

954
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: you go, back to back game right for himself. He

955
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 2: pitches a complete gabe and hits a walk off homer.

956
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: Nobody is it all right? And then the next day

957
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 2: or the day before, it doesn't matter. It's a pinch

958
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 2: hit homer to win the game. That's why I put

959
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: him on there. So so that's our team, Tim, the

960
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 2: all pinch hitter team. Since Kelly Kirchen did such a

961
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 2: marvelous job pinch hitting for you, Jeff, but I kiddle

962
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: around a lot with you. It's so good to have

963
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 2: you back, and we're going to try everything we can

964
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 2: to make it a little easier to do the podcast.

965
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: Now that you're juggling a daughter and a son, you

966
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 2: have one of both now, right, got the two? Yeah, No,

967
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 2: We're going to be great.

968
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: A big shout out to Kelly, Thank you. Shout out

969
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: to my wife, my mother in law who's going to

970
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: be staying with us for a while through you know,

971
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: the All Star break which is in Philadelphia. Hopefully we'll

972
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: be involved in that a little bit. Dad, So I

973
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: really appreciate, you know, all of the patients the members

974
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: of the family have had, and I'm really excited to.

975
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 2: Get back into the podcast full time.

976
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: I'm ready to rock, I'm ready to go, and I'm

977
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: ready to bring some guests into I just booked a

978
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: guests for us, which doesn't happen very.

979
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 2: Often, and in advanced Jeff, Happy Father's Day to everyone

980
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 2: that'll be up on Sunday. It's also the first day

981
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: of summer, so greater, even greater days are ahead for you, me,

982
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: the podcast, and everyone else.

983
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening and watching, and as always,

984
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: thanks for being a part of our family.