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Speaker 1: The late fifteen to ten touched up Sucker. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Chargers Weekly.

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Speaker 2: A new man at the wheel for this week as oarman,

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Speaker 2: Chris Harry tied up, so we figured we would lean

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Speaker 2: on one of the experts.

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Speaker 1: He is expert in field.

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Speaker 2: Was with us while we were out of the combine

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Speaker 2: in Indianapolis and as we do a combine wrapped today, Lancerline,

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Speaker 2: super super cool of you to spend some time with

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Speaker 2: us to kind of talk about all these prospects as

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Speaker 2: we get ready for the twenty twenty four draft post combine,

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Speaker 2: If anything changed, how much it changed For those of

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Speaker 2: you that subscribe and listened to Chargers Weekly, you heard

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Speaker 2: about a twenty minute conversation we had with Lance. It

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Speaker 2: was one of our favorites while we were there, so

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Speaker 2: we figured we would invite him back and he was

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Speaker 2: kind enough to accept. So Lance, thanks so much. We

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Speaker 2: appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I enjoyed it last time. So looking forward

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Speaker 3: to kind of recapping the combine.

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Speaker 2: What did anything change like if you could just in

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Speaker 2: generalities as we as we kind of you know, pull

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Speaker 2: out and take the wide angle view, did you feel

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Speaker 2: like anything changed coming out of the combine? That maybe

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Speaker 2: you had originally thought about it going in.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's some there's some slotting. Yeah. For me,

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Speaker 3: how I slot players is a little bit. It's a

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Speaker 3: start to tighten it up a little bit. After that,

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Speaker 3: I moved JJ McCarthy. I had a Bonnix and I

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Speaker 3: like Bonnix's season. I thought he had a good season,

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Speaker 3: but you know, honestly, money being on the being on

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Speaker 3: the field of the combine, I didn't. I didn't love

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Speaker 3: the arm of Bonnix. I thought I was going to

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Speaker 3: I thought I was going to get more quite frankly,

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Speaker 3: and it was just kind of an average arm. And

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Speaker 3: when I start piecing everything together, I think, Okay, he's

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Speaker 3: going to need to be more of a system quarterback

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Speaker 3: he's got some mobility and throws well on the move.

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Speaker 3: And so now that kind of and combined with JJ

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Speaker 3: McCarthy just kind of as you could really feel that

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Speaker 3: there's an energy between him and some of the wide

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Speaker 3: receivers that you could feel. And that's not a small

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Speaker 3: thing because when it comes to NFL receivers and players,

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Speaker 3: they need to have a trust in a young quarterback,

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Speaker 3: they need to, you know, they need to believe in

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Speaker 3: the personality, believe in the guy's confidence, and I think

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Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy just has some of that. And so you know,

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Speaker 3: it's a small thing. I moved McCarthy from five to four,

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Speaker 3: from Nicks from four to five. But also I think

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Speaker 3: Michael Pennix has really created some conversation there at the

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Speaker 3: back end of the first Typically, I think you'd look

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Speaker 3: at Penis as a second round player, but getting that

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Speaker 3: fifth year is maybe even more important for a player

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Speaker 3: who's going to be twenty five years old as a rookie.

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Speaker 2: So let me let me jump in there real quick glance,

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Speaker 2: because yeah, just your evaluation of those two players leads

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Speaker 2: me to ask this. The Chargers have pick five in

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Speaker 2: the first round, pick thirty seven in the second round,

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Speaker 2: so the fifth pick in each of those spots. Thoughts

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Speaker 2: on the likelihood that someone would would be willing to

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Speaker 2: trade up to number five for McCarthy, And then you

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Speaker 2: know how it goes on Day two when those quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: maybe don't go at the back end of number one.

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Speaker 2: Now you've got a bit of a frenzy to try

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Speaker 2: to get up there for knicks for Pennix. Could you

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Speaker 2: see each of those picks being in play for that

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I think I've felt this from the

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Speaker 3: first time I did a mock draft. I could really

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Speaker 3: figure out here, like, Okay, the Chargers are going to

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Speaker 3: be the most valued spot from a trade up standpoint,

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Speaker 3: I think I think hardball and that's that entire front

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Speaker 3: office is looking at really a very favorable situation because

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Speaker 3: if you lock in on offensive line, there's several offensive

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Speaker 3: go and should go, I think it's a great trade

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Speaker 3: I can to move back if in fact you want

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think I think because the Giants are

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Speaker 3: I think that one money more than anything. Now. The

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Speaker 3: second round is trickier just because, as you mentioned, people

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Speaker 2: The you know, we've been focused so much on these

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Speaker 2: two positions, lance really three if you put brock Bowers

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Speaker 2: doonsay or Neighbors or is it alt or Latham or Fashanu,

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Speaker 1: But it seemed like a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Came out of the combine and said, you know what,

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Speaker 2: we kind of forgot about defense. We maybe forgot about

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Speaker 2: and Dallas Turner puts on a show and even though

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Speaker 2: and all the drills Quinion, Mitchell throws up two twenty

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Speaker 2: What about let's just say edge and particularly I think

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Speaker 2: like in terms of your grading, how close are let's

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Speaker 2: just get let's go with those three names, Mitchell, Arnold.

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Speaker 1: At corner and Turner at edge?

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Speaker 2: How close would they beat one of those offensive tackles

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Speaker 2: if they trade back to eight or eleven?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. I think if you trade back

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Speaker 3: to eleven, you may there's a chance you could miss

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Speaker 3: out on on Turner. Now, Dallas Turner, his workout was phenomenal.

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Speaker 3: As you know, Money did some I don't know if

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Speaker 3: it's considered historical stuff, but we're talking about a seven

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Speaker 3: some truly freaky things. And I've got a six to

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Speaker 3: running it backwards, I've got I've got Chop Robinson, who

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Speaker 3: not ready yet. But I'm still giving them a projection grade.

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Speaker 3: But then it goes Turner, then Latham, then Brock Bowers,

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Speaker 3: then Jayden Daniels, Jared verst Roma, Denze, Caleb Williams, Marvin

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Speaker 1: Got Turner ahead of those guys.

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Speaker 3: What's that?

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Speaker 1: You got Turner ahead of those guys.

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Speaker 3: I've got turned Turner, Turner. I was working in reverse orders.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I got you, We're yeah.

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Speaker 3: So Dallas Turner I've got right now is a ninth

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Speaker 3: grade to prospect, tied tied for ninth. But basically, I

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Speaker 3: think that if you're going to move back, the positions

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Speaker 3: be offensive tackle, Terry and Arnold. That might be the

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Speaker 3: first spot that a cornerback goes, either Arnold or Quinnyon.

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Speaker 3: Mitchell I talked to one team who thought that there

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Speaker 3: was a chance that the cornerbacks could fall a little

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Speaker 3: a heavy peppering of those positions. He also thought in

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Speaker 3: mentioning Brock Bowers have a hard time placing Brock Buoers

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Speaker 3: in a mock draft because you know, he's not a

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Speaker 3: classic why tight end. He's a he's a very good

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Speaker 3: run after catch tight end. He doesn't have great size.

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Speaker 3: He's going to test Waalders pro day. When he tests,

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Speaker 3: he'll run fast, he'll jump by. But it's hard to

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Speaker 3: place brock powers because tight ends have become very very

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Speaker 3: difficult based on what they make, what they're you know,

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Speaker 3: what they're, what they make, what our second contract is,

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Speaker 3: how you're gonna use them. But the team I talked

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Speaker 3: we think he's going inside the top ten picks because

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Speaker 3: he's just kind of a special talent. But when I

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Speaker 3: go through the list money, it's hard for me to

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Speaker 3: find I think the Chargers would be a great fit,

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Speaker 3: but not at five. If you trade back, you open

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Speaker 3: the door to Bowers to wide receiver, to a corner

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Speaker 3: to defensive end. Like I've tried everything I can. If

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Speaker 3: I'm the Chargers to trade back, I really.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting because I think about tight end

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Speaker 2: and this is sort of something that we're dealing with

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Speaker 2: in a lot of the comments and a lot of

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Speaker 1: You know, I get it.

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Speaker 2: It's fireworks. It's justin Herbert. You think about all the

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Speaker 2: magic that they could make. It could be Jamar Chase,

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow esque or two a Tyreek Hill esque. But

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Speaker 2: I just look at the history of Jim Harbaugh and

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Speaker 2: I look at how much success he's had. He's won

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Speaker 2: if I just go through his history, right, the wide

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Speaker 2: Nico Collins and this year I'll have Roman Wilson. You

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Speaker 2: compare that to Mazzi Smith, Aiden Hutchinson, Daxton Hill, David Ajabo, Quitty,

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Speaker 2: Paie Caesar Ouiz, Ben Brettison, Like he's putting O Lineman,

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Speaker 2: He's putting D Lineman. He's putting you know at Stanford.

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Speaker 2: Think about all the tight ends that he put into

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Speaker 2: the league and Kobe Fleener and Zach Ertz, all these guys,

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Speaker 2: Like it's like Hey man, this is what Harbaugh does, right,

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Speaker 2: Am I missing something there? Because at the forty nine ers,

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Speaker 2: his his number one receiver was Michael Crabtree. He might

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Speaker 2: when he was with the forty nine ers, and then

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Speaker 2: Gay went the back to back NFC championship games in

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Speaker 2: a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: No, and you're not wrong. And since I've been doing

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Speaker 3: this for the NFL, at least since twenty fifteen, he's

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Speaker 3: had three tight ends drafted. Luke Scoonmaker, who I liked

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Speaker 3: Zach Gentry drafted in the fifth round in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: and then in twenty seventeen he had Jake but you remember,

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Speaker 3: but was coming off with injury, so he was never

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Speaker 3: the same player he was pre injury. But No, I

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Speaker 3: think in Stanford you mentioned ones from Stanford who are

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Speaker 3: even i'd say better than the ones I just mentioned.

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Speaker 3: The tight end is a big part. Now. The one

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Speaker 3: thing that's interesting, you know is his tight ends typically

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Speaker 3: think brock Bowers will give you effort, but he's not

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Speaker 2: What about it, Let's just say that they think it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you wanted tight end, you should have got one

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Speaker 2: Yeah. See it's you know, I think people get so fixated.

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Speaker 2: It keeps saying people Charger fans, you know, they get

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Speaker 2: thirty seven. If there's players sitting there that somebody wants,

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Speaker 2: I do think there's monetary value out of this as well,

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Speaker 2: So here's what I'm getting at lance. How big of

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Speaker 2: for me, if you really want to unlock the offense,

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00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 2: you have got to start forcing teams to get heavier

433
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 2: in the box so Herbert can take advantage of it

434
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 2: instead of having these guys you know, playing off and

435
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 2: a safety too. Safeties deep and just there was very,

436
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 2: very limited opportunities for him to push the ball downfield.

437
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 2: I did a poor job of explaining it, but that's

438
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,160
Speaker 2: I hope you can understand what I'm getting at.

439
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 3: No, I absolutely understand. I mean, it's you have to

440
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 3: make them respect a run game and coaches. I know

441
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 3: it feels like an antiquated notion with fans, but really,

442
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 3: if you love a passing game, then you have to

443
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 3: love your running game because once you have safeties that

444
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 3: start to creep up near the line, once one team

445
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,399
Speaker 3: is imposing their will, linebackers have to play different. They

446
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,440
Speaker 3: start running more, you know, they start running more. Linebacker

447
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 3: blitzes to slow down the run, you start dropping a

448
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 3: safety in the box. All of this has an impact

449
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 3: on the ability to take a safety out of the

450
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,959
Speaker 3: mix from a coverage standpoint and attack the field. And

451
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 3: so the really good thing that Jim Harbaugh does in

452
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 3: that regard is it's a run play action, run play action.

453
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 3: It's almost like the old school Shanahan type stuff, although

454
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 3: it's more power centric from the way he run blocks.

455
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 3: It's not the outside zone, but he is. He's committed

456
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 3: to You play the run, you play off of the

457
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 3: run in your passing game. Now, is that best for

458
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 3: Justin Herbert? Maybe not statistically, maybe not in fantasy football.

459
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 3: Is it going to be best for maybe winning more

460
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 3: games and the Chargers have won and controlling the tempo

461
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 3: and being able to have better fourth quarters where you

462
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 3: close out more games and turn them into wins as

463
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 3: opposed to close losses. Yeah, it could be, because once

464
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 3: you established the run and you impose your will, you

465
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 3: start to convert some of those first downs and you

466
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 3: don't punt at the end of games, giving teams a

467
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 3: chance to break your heart again. I've listened to you

468
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 3: on broadcasts on the radio many at times, and Chargers

469
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 3: have had their hearts broken late in games, and I

470
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 3: think that, you know, the philosophy needs to change over there.

471
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 3: But at the same time, well, and that's why I'm

472
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 3: excited about the fifth pick because I just truly believe

473
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 3: that the top twelve, to have the top twelve players,

474
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 3: top fourteen players in this draft are really good and

475
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 3: can have a big impact. And man, if you can

476
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 3: move back, and you talked about it, money, it's not

477
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 3: going to be impossible to move back twice, not in

478
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 3: this draft, not coming from five.

479
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 2: No, no, I mean, that's know Brett Coleman was talking

480
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 2: about that the Holy Grail. Can you move from five

481
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 2: to eight and then eight to fourteen something? You know,

482
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: there's there's ways to do it because of the wide

483
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 2: receivers and you know what Dallas Turner was able to

484
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 2: do and what Mitchell was able to you know, there's

485
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 2: there's going to be different positions if you're not too greedy, and.

486
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 3: You know, and money something that you have to factor in. Okay,

487
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 3: so what do people trade up for? It has to

488
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 3: be one of the three or four most important positions quarterback, rush,

489
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 3: wide receiver, and sometimes corner. So it just so happens

490
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 3: that or or I'm sorry, offensive tackle. So you got tackle,

491
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 3: you've got rush, you've got quarterback, and you've got wide receiver. Right,

492
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 3: these just happen to be four of the most important

493
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 3: positions at the time. Not only are they important, they're

494
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 3: loaded in the top sixteen picks. So now it really

495
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 3: gives you a great opportunity to move back because teams

496
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 3: are going to want to trade up, They're going to

497
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 3: want to deal.

498
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 2: And I think one of the one of the things

499
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 2: to remember, and we had this last week while we

500
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: were out of the combine about this new staff is,

501
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,239
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not trying to disparage their recruiting, but

502
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 2: they weren't Ohio State, they weren't Alabama, they weren't Georgia.

503
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: They're Michigan and they're bringing in top twenty, top fifteen classes.

504
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 2: But these are dudes they developed into NFL players. These

505
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: are good coaches that develop talent. So it's all right

506
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 2: if you don't if you decide to take that blue

507
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 2: chip at five, or if you decide to trade back

508
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: twice to eleven and then to sixteen, whatever it may be.

509
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 2: I feel like this particular staff is able to do

510
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 2: is able to accomplish what you're looking to accomplish because

511
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,959
Speaker 2: they have a track record of doing that. If that

512
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: makes sense.

513
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, it's going to be interesting to come

514
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 3: from college to the pros. Like, is that an advantage

515
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 3: for Jim Harball. I can tell you this feels like it.

516
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 3: It wouldn't surprise me if Harball is digging around on

517
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 3: guys like Blake Korum. It wouldn't surprise me if he

518
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 3: said we're going offensive tackle on the first round and

519
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 3: we'll look at Wrong Wilson in the second. And that's

520
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 3: not always great. I'd rather you just get the best

521
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 3: players and you don't want to be too far in

522
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: the bubble. And unfortunately, I think coaches when they when

523
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 3: they come from college into the pros, they tend to

524
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: go with what they know. And so I do think

525
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 3: there's going to be players who he recruited. That's something

526
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 3: else that's not really talked about a lot. But the

527
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 3: other thing that you have to watch for is players

528
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 3: coaches who recruited a player that went to another team

529
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 3: or they they keep that in mind too. Like that

530
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 3: that plays big into the draft as well.

531
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that could be Marvin Harrison if it

532
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 2: goes one, two, three, four quarterback. Sure, you know he

533
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: had to face them every year, and Jim Harbaugh could

534
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 2: say to Joe Harti's hey man, this guy's a nightmare.

535
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 2: This guy is an absolute nightmare. He tortured me. I

536
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: stayed up late wondering how we were going to slow

537
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 2: him down. Just stick and pick and let's not even

538
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: think about it. So that's that's the other thing, right

539
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: It sounds like.

540
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 3: You're on Are you on the stick and Pick team?

541
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: No, I'm not, just because I have seen this team

542
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 2: unravel because of depth issues year in and year outlands

543
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 2: you know where Joey Bosa has really struggled to stay healthy.

544
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 2: You know, we saw Rashaan Slater two years ago go down. Now,

545
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: Jamari Sawyer stepped in and did an admirable job, but

546
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 2: it was not a Rashawn Slater job, and we saw

547
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 2: Like That's the thing about the Jacksonville game is we

548
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: all sort of marveled at how well Justin played, how

549
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: solid Jamari Sawyer was at left tackle. But one of

550
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: the things that I think people failed to see was no,

551
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 2: they still couldn't run the ball and when they needed

552
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: to win games, when they needed to have a four

553
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 2: minute drill. That Jacksonville game was a product and it

554
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 2: was it was magnified, it was amplified. Their inability to

555
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: run the ball showed up in a big way that day,

556
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: as did their lack of depth at corner because once

557
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 2: Mikey Davis went down and got hurt, they were done.

558
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: And now Trevor Lawrence has taken advantage of them on

559
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: the outside and they can't run the ball. It's three

560
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 2: and out. They're trying to milk as much clock as

561
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 2: they can, you know, up twenty seven to seven in

562
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 2: the second half, and they couldn't do anything about it.

563
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: So I think that's people have to you know, I

564
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: think it's important to acknowledge. Maybe it's not just the starter,

565
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: but how high of a level is, you know, is

566
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: your replacement, because that game, to me, really amplified what

567
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 2: has been a serious issue for this team the last

568
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 2: few years with Justin Herbert at quarterback, and that's it's

569
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: been very hard for them to overcome injuries because of

570
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: the lack of depth.

571
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the only way you build depth is by

572
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 3: adding picks, Yeah, making your picks, not leaning on short

573
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 3: term free agency. And then I think most importantly the

574
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 3: evaluation processes. For any team that wants to build a

575
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 3: sustainable winner, you've got to be able to draft well

576
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 3: in rounds two through five. I mean, it's just it's

577
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: really not up for debate. You don't have to let

578
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 3: every pick, but in a year that you don't hit

579
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: a fifth, next year you need to hit a fifth.

580
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 3: And when I say hit, it can just be somebody

581
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 3: who's quality depth on the roster and good on special teams.

582
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: That's good enough, no doubt, no doubt, And that's that's

583
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: something look to. Tom did a great job of pretty

584
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: much nailing every one of his first round picks, and

585
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: after that there were some really solid players in the

586
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 2: second and third round, and there were also some misses

587
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: in the second and third round. Like you said, so

588
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 2: you had two lead that hit, you had chennon Uusu

589
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: that hit, but then you also had some misses, particularly

590
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: on the offensive line. Dan Feeney, Forrest Lamp Like those

591
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 2: are guys that are in their late twenties right now.

592
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: That you hit on those, in my gosh, you're feeling

593
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,719
Speaker 2: really good about what you have up front. Instead of asking, okay,

594
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: do we need a center guard, right tackle? Is that

595
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: what we're talking about. I have faith that Zion's going

596
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: to be okay. I think this coaching staff he's just

597
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: too big, he's too strong. I've seen it in bursts

598
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: for me not to believe that Zion Johnson's not going

599
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: to be okay. I think he's gonna be fine. You know,

600
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: Sawyer just did not make an adjustment to guard. It

601
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: didn't quite work for him. It just it wasn't quick

602
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: enough and just repeatedly would get beat off the jump.

603
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure what the solution is there. They

604
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: obviously need a center because Corey Linsley's retiring, and right

605
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: tackle it's been a big peaks and valleys with Trey Lance.

606
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: I'll get you out of here on this. You mentioned

607
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: running back. There's gonna be a There's a lot of

608
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: free agents available. The Chargers are still after letting go

609
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: of Eric Kendricks. At the time we record this, that's

610
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: all that's been done, and there's going to be more

611
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: done to get this number lower. I don't know how

612
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: realistic spending a bunch of money on Derrick Henry or

613
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: Swift or Saquon Barkley, you know how that is? What

614
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: about the group of running backs?

615
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: That you saw.

616
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 2: We heard they met with Ray Davis. Seemed like he

617
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: had a really good combine. How does this group of

618
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: running backs look to you?

619
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 3: It's a little light. I think the top running back

620
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: is Jonathan Brooks, who's coming off an ACL tear. But

621
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 3: I think he's a legitimate high second round pick in

622
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 3: most drafts, will probably slide into the latter part of

623
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: the second depending on how the medicals go. Jalen Right,

624
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: I thought, really helped himself from Tennessee. Now I like

625
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 3: Jalen Right, I already liked him, but just running fast.

626
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: When you have size and speed like that, it matters.

627
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 3: Trey Benson had a terrific combine. I think he clearly

628
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: has has has put himself in the top three and

629
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 3: depending on how teams take a look at that. So

630
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 3: that's that's more of a big guy. What's that?

631
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: Trey Benson's a big guy.

632
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 3: He big guy, about two hundred and twenty pounds, ran fast,

633
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,719
Speaker 3: jumps high. He just sometimes plays a little more finesse

634
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 3: than he needs to.

635
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 4: You wanted to.

636
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 3: Remember that he's big sometime and play big and not

637
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 3: try to get to clever, especially in the NFL when

638
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: it's much greater speed. He's gonna have to learn to

639
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 3: finish better. But once you get past Marshaun Lloyd could

640
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: be from UFC, could be a third into the fourth

641
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: round pick, and then it becomes kind of the Ray

642
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: Davis territory, which I think is maybe late three into

643
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 3: the mid four. He's gouy named Tyrone Tracey, who I'm

644
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: a big fan of, who can run and catch. But

645
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 3: there's a lot of it's just okay. From a depth standpoint,

646
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 3: I mentioned Blake Korum I think is a good backup,

647
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Speaker 3: a good second back. Braylan Allen's got a chance to

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Speaker 3: be that Will Shipley I like, is the James Cook type,

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Speaker 3: kind of a poor man's James Cook. So but it's

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Speaker 3: not really loaded up. Unless you go top three or

651
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Speaker 3: four running backs, you may not have the guy that's uh,

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Speaker 3: you know. I say that, But then again, Jim Harball

653
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Speaker 3: is like, no, we'll get two guys and we're gonna

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Speaker 3: start hammering people. So it just it takes a guy

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Speaker 3: like Ray Davis. I'm looking right now. The guys who

656
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Speaker 3: fit that mold would be uh marshawn Oh. I think

657
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Speaker 3: Ray Davis would really fit that. Blake Krum brayln Allen,

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Speaker 3: Cody Schrader, like, these are all guys who are going

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Speaker 3: to be at the earliest late third and into the

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Speaker 3: fifth round.

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Speaker 1: Perfect.

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Speaker 3: So it wouldn't shock me if they drafted running backs.

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Speaker 3: But they did not put a top, you know, a

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Speaker 3: top Day one, Day two, great on any of them.

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Speaker 2: Right, just you know, like kind of what what Green

666
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Speaker 2: Day does every year They take a receiver in the

667
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Speaker 2: second or third round or fourth round or what. Just

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Speaker 2: take receivers. So for Jim Harbo, take running backs, take

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Speaker 2: take two whatever.

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Speaker 3: Take running backs. I'm looking at Jason McClelland from Alabama.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's guys on Day three you could find

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Speaker 3: that could come in just like Karen Williams did with

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Speaker 3: the Rams and become a major factor.

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Speaker 2: Lance, you know you're busy, freaking awesome. Really really appreciate

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Speaker 2: you doing this. You can follow him on Twitter at

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Speaker 2: Lancer line z I E R L e I N.

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Speaker 2: He does it for NFL dot Com. All those scouting

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Speaker 2: reports that you click on as you prepare for the draft,

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Speaker 2: we're written by Lance. He is one of the best

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Speaker 2: in the business and we love having him. Certainly appreciate

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Speaker 2: you hopping on here. For a post Combine wrap Lance,

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Speaker 2: thank you, you got it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks buddy.

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Speaker 2: All Right, folks bonus content in addition to Lance post

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Speaker 2: Combine for the rap on what we saw there in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 2: also had a chance to catch up with Chargers Assistant

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Speaker 2: general manager Chad Alexander.

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Speaker 5: All Right, So one of the best parts of the

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Speaker 5: off season is just getting to know the new faces

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Speaker 5: around the Chargers organization. Very please be joined by one

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Speaker 5: of them. Assistant general Manager Chad Alexander joins us now

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Speaker 5: on Chargers Weekly. Chad, first and foremost, Welcome to LA

693
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Speaker 5: even though we're in Indy. How's the adjustment been so far?

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Speaker 4: It's been great, you know what I mean. It's just

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Speaker 4: we've been there a couple of weeks and we were

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Speaker 4: able to kind of hit the ground running and uh

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Speaker 4: met a lot of great people within the organization and

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Speaker 4: and started a round of draft meetings. It was really productive,

699
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Speaker 4: and it's it's it's been awesome, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: It's been been a really good experience.

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Speaker 2: So you spend a lot of time in Baltimore the

702
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Speaker 2: last I think half decade with with the New York Jets.

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Speaker 2: Is everything the same, just pick up and take what

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Speaker 2: you've done thus far on all these players, and you

705
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Speaker 2: go from the Jets to here, and it's just kind

706
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Speaker 2: of the same work that you've already done pretty much.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's a little different obviously for for for

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Speaker 4: several different reasons, but the philosophy is pretty much the

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Speaker 4: same because you know, we were we were all kind

710
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Speaker 4: of taught by Ozzie and and and and came up

711
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Speaker 4: under Ozzy and and uh, you know Joe d you know,

712
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Speaker 4: shares that same philosophy and obviously, uh Hortiz does as well.

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Speaker 4: So uh, there are some differences obviously within each organization,

714
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Speaker 4: but but the chemistry and the feel of it, the

715
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Speaker 4: feel of it is the same. It really is, and

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Speaker 4: it's it's really the same process. So it's it's been

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Speaker 4: it's been really good.

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say, how seamless is it to just

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Speaker 5: you know Joe, you know, how he operates to come

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Speaker 5: into the building and you said he's a connector Yeah,

721
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Speaker 5: how has that adjustment been probably just like riding a bike.

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Speaker 4: A little bit. Yeah, there's been a little bit of

723
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Speaker 4: an adjustment just in terms of uh, just with new

724
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Speaker 4: people and and and new organization and stuff like that.

725
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Speaker 4: But Joe is an awesome personnel guy, like he first

726
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Speaker 4: of all, he's a great guy, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: And then he he does he does a great job

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Speaker 4: of connecting the building. He brings the energy every day. Uh,

729
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Speaker 4: he's uh, you know, he's really smart. He's really passionate

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Speaker 4: about what he does. So it's really easy to to

731
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Speaker 4: to to kind of to to to pick up and

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Speaker 4: and and to move and and and under Joe. He

733
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Speaker 4: he does a great job of connecting the building and

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Speaker 4: and as a leader, he does a great job. So

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Speaker 4: it's been I wouldn't say seamless because you know, there's

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Speaker 4: obviously you know, you gotta grind, you gotta you gotta

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Speaker 4: you gotta work at it, and you got you gotta

738
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Speaker 4: be there for a long time. You got to figure

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Speaker 4: things out and figure figure out the processes and how

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Speaker 4: people do things within the organization. But at the same time,

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Speaker 4: it's been it's been awesome. It's been a lot of fun,

742
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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. It's been like I said, great,

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00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 4: great people within the Chargers organization, really talented people, uh

744
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 4: that want to win. So that that that that's what's

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Speaker 4: made it. That's what's made a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Mention oz Ozzie knew some arguably, you know, in the conversation,

747
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Speaker 2: is the best front office executive in the history of

748
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Speaker 2: the league. Without I guess, I don't think you'll be

749
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: giving up any state secrets here, but he said, it's

750
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Speaker 2: all kind of similar. Yeah, what made Baltimore so good

751
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: and consistent for so many years team building?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was it's just you know, the

753
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 4: culture that you know, the culture matters most anywhere you go.

754
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 4: It's it's the people. It's the quality of the people

755
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 4: within the organization. And like I said, everybody wants to

756
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 4: feel like like they're invested, and you know, it's really

757
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Speaker 4: just it's the trust that that that everyone has for

758
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Speaker 4: each other and the accountability. Everyone holds each other accountable.

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Speaker 4: And I would say that Ozzie is just he's he's

760
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Speaker 4: really really good in terms of consistency, in terms of

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Speaker 4: you know, trusting the process, believing in the process. I've

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Speaker 4: never really seen him, you know, rattled in any situation,

763
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Speaker 4: some high pressure situations. Man, he is, he is, He's

764
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Speaker 4: the best. And I really think that, you know, he

765
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Speaker 4: was obviously a Hall of Fame player, but really like

766
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Speaker 4: he's a Hall of Fame executive definitely as well. So

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Speaker 4: you couldn't ask for a better situation or a better

768
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Speaker 4: guy to learn under.

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Speaker 5: Chad, Your your thoughts on this roster has currently constructed

770
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Speaker 5: obviously the charge route in New York this year from

771
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Speaker 5: a winner night football game, and uh, a lot of

772
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 5: moving parts, a lot of decisions that need to be made,

773
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 5: but just you know, first glance, your thoughts on this roster.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean, you know, first glance, you know,

775
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 4: you take a look at the quarterback. You know, it's

776
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 4: just he's a great player and a great competitor, and

777
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 4: and you know, we're lucky to to to land it.

778
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 4: I'm lucky to land at a place that that's got

779
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 4: a great player at that position like that, you know

780
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 4: what I mean, A young guy who is big guy,

781
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 4: he's you know, six six, he's got a rocket arm,

782
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 4: he's really tough, and he's really really smart as well.

783
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 4: So I mean you know that that, you know, it

784
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 4: all starts with that, and then and then there's there's

785
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 4: some other great pieces on the roster as well, obviously,

786
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So so yeah, it's it's

787
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 4: it's it's a it's a good situation.

788
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: Definitely, we uh, We kind of heard from everyone that

789
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: that had their press conferences, starting with you know, coach Harball,

790
00:36:55,239 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 2: then with with Georgie's and now with Greg Roman running game, physical, Yeah,

791
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 2: attacked at the at the line of scrimmage. That's something

792
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: that you obviously did in in Baltimore for a number

793
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Speaker 2: of years.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, is that premium picks?

795
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Speaker 4: Is it?

796
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 2: Like, what what's the best way to make sure that

797
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: that those fronts are as good as they can be?

798
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Speaker 2: How do you how do you build it?

799
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: Well?

800
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Speaker 4: I mean yeah, I mean you build it. You want

801
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 4: to make sure obviously that that that you that you

802
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 4: build it, you know, through the trenches, you know what

803
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 4: I mean, the old line and D line, strong, strong

804
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 4: run game, ability to stop the run, and and and

805
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 4: you know we have we have a great coach who's

806
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 4: done that everywhere he's been in Jim Harbaugh. So you

807
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 4: know the same philosophy that that his brother John has

808
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 4: with with the Ravens. And you know, it's uh, you know,

809
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 4: I really feel like you know, all all all of

810
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 4: the all used to be just the left tackle position

811
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Speaker 4: was was considered a premium position or for you know,

812
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 4: for for for the old line. But I really feel

813
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 4: like all the offensive line positions or premium positions, and

814
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 4: so that that's really important to be to be able

815
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 4: to build that up and and to to create the

816
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 4: type of identity that you want to create with the

817
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 4: physicality and the run game and and and that type

818
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 4: of stuff.

819
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Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, I think about the jet and

820
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: obviously you're there for the last half decade, and you know,

821
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 2: I remember when when we were going through it and

822
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: Elijah Vera Tucker was a very real possibility Slater ends

823
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: up sliding, you end up getting one of the best

824
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: left tackles. But maybe if you can build on that,

825
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: because we know there's some really good centers in this draft,

826
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: there's some really good guards. So yeah, how has that

827
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: changed in the last let and when did it change

828
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Speaker 2: where you were willing to invest those premium picks in

829
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Speaker 2: those interior alignments.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know that, that's a good question. I think

831
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 4: it kind of just evolved with uh, you know, everything

832
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 4: starts with the quarterback, you know what I mean. It's

833
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 4: it's it's about protecting the quarterback. And some a lot

834
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 4: of quarterbacks, you know, obviously when they're blindside protected and

835
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 4: the edges protected. But there's a lot of quarterbacks that

836
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 4: they prefer like that middle, that the interior line to

837
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 4: be the most firm part of the of the old line.

838
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 4: And so you know, it's you got you got to

839
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 4: make sure that all five are are really really really good,

840
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 4: really smart. You know, versatility in there, you know, adds

841
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 4: to their value being able to play you know, multiple

842
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 4: different positions. But yeah, I think I think it's it's

843
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 4: it's definitely become you know, all the positions on the

844
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 4: on line have become premium positions.

845
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 5: Chad, how important was it to work with John now

846
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 5: working with Jim knowing that they do have the same

847
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 5: philosophy because of course the front office has got to

848
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 5: be a lockstep with the head coach. And you know,

849
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 5: solom maybe different from Jim, and Jim is you know,

850
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 5: similar to John but maybe a little bit different. But

851
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 5: having that experience with John, how how beneficial is that

852
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 5: for you guys moving forward?

853
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 4: I think I think it's great. I mean, you know,

854
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 4: i'd never really i'd met Jim and passing and stuff

855
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 4: like that, but it didn't didn't really know him and

856
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 4: obviously worked with John for years and and they're very similar,

857
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, They're all about ball, which

858
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 4: is you know, you can't ask for anything more as

859
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 4: a as a personnel guy, you know what I mean

860
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 4: to come in and you know, Jim, he's I think

861
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 4: he does a great job of connecting the building. He

862
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 4: does a great job of you know, building relationships and

863
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 4: having those discussions. He asked really good questions, and he's

864
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 4: really smart. He's got a great sense of humor. And

865
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: so it's you know, so far, it's it's been awesome,

866
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 4: you know, just working with him and being around him

867
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 4: and and and starting to understand that the stuff that

868
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 4: he appreciates and he likes. But but yeah, it's it's

869
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 4: really about toughness, about you know, it's about the culture.

870
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 4: It's about you know, running the ball, building a strong

871
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 4: offensive line, and and and both of those brothers definitely

872
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 4: definitely share that that philosophy.

873
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: When it comes to kind of getting ready for you know,

874
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: the campaign that that'll start, you know with training camp

875
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: and then obviously when games get going, first thing that

876
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 2: comes up is cap compliance. Second thing that comes up,

877
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: free agency, and then the draft. Just kind of I

878
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: don't know if it's general philosophy or what you've sort

879
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: of subscribed to your whole career. Is there a right way,

880
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 2: especially when you come in and you're trying to change

881
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: your culture and you're trying to establish something. Is it

882
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: free agency? Is it making sure the rosters right? Is

883
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: it the draft? Like what's the best what's the right

884
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 2: way to build this thing.

885
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 4: We've always kind of believed that the draft is like

886
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 4: the bloodline of your organization and it's the most cost

887
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 4: effective form to build your team. And and so it's, uh,

888
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 4: you know, it probably starts with the draft, I would say,

889
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But but it's like you say,

890
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 4: there's a lot of moving parts. You know, there's free agency,

891
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 4: there's you know, undrafted free agency, there's there's trade possibilities,

892
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 4: there's you know, guy getting guys that are cap cuts

893
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. It's it's it's, uh, you have

894
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 4: to you know, kind of cast a wide net. But

895
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 4: but it's, uh, it's pretty much all encompassing. Like it's

896
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 4: all the parts you know that that are moving at

897
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 4: one time, but just being able to try to build

898
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 4: the roster to the best of your ability and and

899
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 4: uh and and and bring the right people in you know,

900
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 4: the right players, definitely, But but you want to you

901
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 4: want to make sure you bring the right people in,

902
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 4: you know, in terms of in terms of the players.

903
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 5: Is it a bit of an advantage the fact that

904
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 5: Jim is coming from the Big Ten and there's eighteen

905
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 5: Michigan guys here. There's a ton of Big Ten top

906
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 5: prospects that he probably has thoughts on intel on that

907
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 5: you guys can collaborate and talk about.

908
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, that that that's a huge advantage. I mean,

909
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 4: he has intimate knowledge of all those Michigan guys as

910
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 4: well as everybody from the staff that they came from Michigan.

911
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 4: So that's a huge advantage for us. And you know,

912
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 4: they're a great team. And then you know, obviously they

913
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 4: won it all and they got a lot of representation

914
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 4: here in India and they've all learned it. So it's uh, yeah,

915
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 4: that that's that's a that's an advantage, definitely.

916
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 2: I would assume, you know, we see it. There's certain

917
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: teams that draft guys from certain schools. You know, for

918
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: whatever reason, there's there's just connection there. As someone that

919
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: has been evaluating these Michigan players, what can you say

920
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 2: about just sort of what you saw happen there and

921
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 2: the development and what they were putting into the draft

922
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: year after year.

923
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, just I mean just you know, extremely consistent in

924
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 4: terms of the type of individuals that they that they

925
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 4: you know, put out every year from on a year.

926
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 4: To your basis, you know, they're gonna be tough. You know,

927
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 4: they're going to be extremely competitive. You know they're going

928
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 4: to be you know, great teammates, and you know they're

929
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 4: going to be really smart. You know. So it's uh

930
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 4: it you know that as a basis because if they

931
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 4: if they weren't that, they wouldn't be playing at Michigan,

932
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 4: you know, So that that's that's an advantage you know,

933
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 4: definitely coming out of coming out of that those you

934
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 4: know that that type of program and and coming coming

935
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 4: to our level, you know what I mean, it makes

936
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 4: it almost a little bit of a seamless transition for them,

937
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 4: you know. So and they've had a lot of success.

938
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 4: So so yeah, that's uh that that they're they're a

939
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 4: great program, great program.

940
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 5: Chaz is a tough business man. It's a it's a

941
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 5: small tight knit fraternity, uh coaches, GMS, scouts. Just the

942
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 5: fact that you hear, now, how would you describe this

943
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 5: process for you knowing that you're not gonna be teamed

944
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 5: up with Joe in l A and and a brand

945
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 5: new role.

946
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's it's really exciting. Man. I'm just

947
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 4: you know, really pumped about the opportunity. You know, I'm

948
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 4: psyched about it, you know. And uh, like I said,

949
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 4: we've tried to hit the ground running. And you know,

950
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 4: there's a lot of great people, a lot of talented

951
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 4: individuals in the Chargers organizations. So just working collaboratively with them,

952
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 4: and you know, Joe's like I said, Joe's greatly or

953
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 4: he understands that the best decisions mostly come through discussion,

954
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and being collaborative and everyone

955
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 4: you know, kind of coming to a cumulative a decision.

956
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 4: And it's not about you know, who makes the decision.

957
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 4: It's not about who's right. It's about being right as

958
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 4: an organization. So that's that's the cool part about it,

959
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 4: you know. And and and that was the same way

960
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 4: with Joe Deeve, It's the same way with Ozzy and

961
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 4: those guys. They's and Eric the cost it's really it's, uh,

962
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 4: they don't ask anything from people that work under them

963
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 4: that they don't bring to the table every day themselves.

964
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, they're extremely passionate, they're versatile,

965
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 4: they're humble, they're loyal, they're smart, and uh, you know,

966
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 4: and and and they're they're able to uh to build trust.

967
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 4: You know what I mean. Trust is it's a tough

968
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 4: thing that it's a hard thing to develop, but it's

969
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 4: easy to lose, you know what I mean? And and

970
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 4: and those guys are proven through their leadership that they're

971
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 4: able to able to navigate it. Well.

972
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 2: Going back to what you were talking about with the

973
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 2: Michigan players, have you figured out I assume you know

974
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: your patent it and sell it if you if you

975
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 2: could figure it out.

976
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 1: Football's tough. You've got to be tough to play football.

977
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you don't put on a plastic outfit and run

978
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: into guys that are twice your size. But have you

979
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: figured out how to find toughness? How to find those

980
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: guys that love football? Is like, how do you figure

981
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: that out?

982
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: You know?

983
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 4: I think I think here at the Combine is a

984
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 4: great opportunity to just get to know players, you know

985
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 4: what I mean, to get to know their story, to

986
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 4: know their their background, their history. There is a lot

987
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 4: of talented guys here from a lot of different backgrounds

988
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 4: a lot of different situations, and uh, you get to

989
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 4: really figure out that their love of the game, you know,

990
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 4: and and it's also you know, when you go into

991
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 4: the school during the fall and make the school calls

992
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 4: and and get the background you know from from the sources,

993
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 4: and you know, a lot of times you can find

994
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 4: out that way as well. But but yeah, it's tough,

995
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, It's it's not it's not

996
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 4: an exact science, but uh, but but if you're able

997
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 4: to kind of read people and understand, uh, you know,

998
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 4: what makes him tick, it makes it a little easier.

999
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 4: You know.

1000
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of ask. It's changed now because we

1001
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: have access to everything. We can see everything, Every game

1002
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 2: is televised, you can get film on everything. But I

1003
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: remember doing a doing an Oregon State game and was

1004
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 2: talking to Mike Riley and we were talking about Quiz

1005
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: Rogers and he told the story of He's like, you know,

1006
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: I had no idea who Quiz was. I went to

1007
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: get James. And when I went to get James, they

1008
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 2: were like, oh, you got to see his brothers.

1009
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 4: Brothers.

1010
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: In that moment, I offered both of them because I

1011
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: knew nobody else knew who Quiz was. Do you have

1012
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: any can you think of like some of those when

1013
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 2: you showed up at a maybe it's a small school

1014
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 2: and you're scouting someone and then you end up kind

1015
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: of stumbling into somebody else.

1016
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 4: Uh well, no, I mean Jacobe Jones is a story

1017
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 4: that I remember definitely, because you know, he was at

1018
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 4: Lane and uh, you know, you go there and they

1019
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 4: practice at night and and shoot, you know, no lights

1020
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 4: or anything like that, and he's out there grabbing everything

1021
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 4: and and and so you know, he was a guy

1022
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 4: that kind of stands out from that standpoint. Uh. But yeah,

1023
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 4: I mean it. You know every year there are guys

1024
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 4: that that pop up, you know, kind of out of nowhere.

1025
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 4: But but you know, we'll we'll, we'll, we'll find them.

1026
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 4: They'll get on they'll definitely get on our radar, radar

1027
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 4: one way or another.

1028
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 5: You know. I know, it's full speed ahead with work.

1029
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 5: But hey, you're out Los Angeles. Now, what are you

1030
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 5: most looking forward to with the family and getting into La?

1031
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 4: Uh? You know, yeah, I haven't really had an opportunity to,

1032
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 4: uh to spend much time, you know, hanging out or

1033
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 4: anything like that. But just you know, the weather, you

1034
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 4: know you can't be you know what I mean, just

1035
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 4: being being in the Northeast for the most part throughout

1036
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 4: most of my career and now you know, coming out

1037
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 4: to coming out to sunny California. It's it's beautiful. And

1038
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 4: it's been raining for the past couple of weeks, you know,

1039
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 4: but that'll change. Yeah, it'll change. I heard, I heard

1040
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 4: this just a rainy season. So but uh, but yeah,

1041
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 4: definitely definitely looking forward to that and just just hanging

1042
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 4: out and you know, looking forward to the kids coming

1043
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 4: out and and and enjoying that as well. And got

1044
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 4: it right here.

1045
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: I see the beach.

1046
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 4: It's ready, exactly, no doubt. Yeah, try to bring the

1047
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 4: powder Blues. There we go.

1048
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: Congratulations.

1049
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 4: I appreciate that. I appreciate I appreciate your time. Man,

1050
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you.

1051
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: So I'll do it our post combine edition of Chargers Weekly.

1052
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: Remember next week, this team is going to probably look

1053
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 2: drastically different when we do this on Thursday. The beginning

1054
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: of the league year is Wednesday, March thirteenth. Already saw

1055
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 2: Eric Kendricks let go. And you're going to have some

1056
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 2: redone contracts, some trades movement, maybe outright release. But there

1057
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: are going to be a number of things that are

1058
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: done between now and when we start this pod a

1059
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 2: week from today, because Wednesday, March thirteenth, four pm Eastern,

1060
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: beginning of the league year. So keep your eyes on

1061
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: all the Chargers social media spots to keep up the

1062
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: speed with everything that's going on in this constantly changing

1063
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: landscape of a Chargers roster with all these new folks

1064
00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: in the front office,