WEBVTT - The Colosseum

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is stuff you

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<v Speaker 2>should know as always.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks ever, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we just broke our record for earliest edit

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<v Speaker 2>and that came quick.

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<v Speaker 1>You cleared your throat, and we for some reason are

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<v Speaker 1>cutting it out because it's not good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I want to hear that, do they?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe weird and you're fifteen. We've established

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<v Speaker 1>our unprofessional qualities.

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<v Speaker 2>True, it is true. Speaking of unprofessional qualities, you know

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<v Speaker 2>who is terrible? Some of these emperors.

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<v Speaker 1>Very nice segue. Have you ever been to the coliseum?

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<v Speaker 1>You have right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you go into it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't go into it. I walked around it. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this was my big European jaunt was when

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<v Speaker 1>I was broke and backpacking. So like my friend and

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<v Speaker 1>I did the best we could we but we did

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<v Speaker 1>walk outside of a lot of structures that many other

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<v Speaker 1>people pay to get into.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't have money for a pottery shard.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we had no do to get in these places.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just a wonder to walk around, and I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I love about Rome is just seeing Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>seeing stuff that old is just really humbling and cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Rome is one of the very few cities that I've

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<v Speaker 2>visited and been like, I could totally live here.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's a knee town for sure. And part of

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<v Speaker 2>it is because you just be walking along and all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden the wall is suddenly three thousand years old.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. It's just like that kind of place, like

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<v Speaker 2>everything's just kind of built up on top of everything else,

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<v Speaker 2>but stuff has been preserved or accidentally exposed. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>a really neat tone. I loved it for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And boy, just how good looking is everybody?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Those Italians they know what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>When they were oh man, I was like, ooh, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in love with her and her and I might be

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<v Speaker 1>gay look at that guy they are.

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<v Speaker 2>They are a good looking bunch for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>All of them are just so attractive, Like the in

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<v Speaker 1>on a Friday night at the Spanish Steps. It's just like,

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<v Speaker 1>how many good looking, dark haired people can you get

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<v Speaker 1>together in one spot?

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck. I think like our our most dedicated listeners know

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<v Speaker 2>that you're just buttering up the Italians because you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be busting out some Italian accents. You don't want

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<v Speaker 2>them to be mad at you, or I should say,

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<v Speaker 2>all oiling them up.

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<v Speaker 1>Very nice. That's a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that was nice or good, but

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate the kudos.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but we're talking Colisseum and it's interesting to me

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<v Speaker 1>how like and you might have gotten all this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>from the tour, but I was just kind of knocked

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<v Speaker 1>out in this article Lvia put together of how how

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<v Speaker 1>sort of modern like modern stadium going experience.

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<v Speaker 2>It felt like, yeah, and actually there's there was one

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<v Speaker 2>fact that stood out to me. I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>they've got current stadiums beat oh boy, Supposedly the packed

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<v Speaker 2>cheek to jowl you could fit eighty seven thousand people

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<v Speaker 2>in there and the whole place could be emptied or

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<v Speaker 2>filled within fifteen minutes because the circulation was that beautifully engineered.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's a slightly dubious claim.

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<v Speaker 2>But okay, I bet it's seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I bet it was quick and like nothing like

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<v Speaker 1>it is today and.

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<v Speaker 2>Eighteen and I'm not going any higher than that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and back then, you would you know, you would

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<v Speaker 1>just walk back to your place or take a mule

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<v Speaker 1>or something like, you know, post traffic experiences near American

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<v Speaker 1>stadiums or the stuff of the legend.

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<v Speaker 2>It's awful, yes, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But parking decks the worst thing ever invented.

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<v Speaker 2>They're pretty bad. They're awful, Yes, it's true. And do

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<v Speaker 2>you know it's going to get a lot worse. They're

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<v Speaker 2>developing that whole area that like kind of no man's lane.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like old tring tracks and abandoned stuff in between

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<v Speaker 2>State Farm Arena and Mercedes Benz Stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh yeah, the gulch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they're they're they're developing that. So it's just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get a million times worse down there. They should just

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<v Speaker 2>set up helicopter service and drop people in.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think what they're doing is trying to be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>don't jump in your car, just go hang out at

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<v Speaker 1>a bar restaurant, like there's gonna be stuff to do there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because there's not right now.

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<v Speaker 1>No, there's not much, not a whole lot.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some cool hotels down there, but they're kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Time coming around a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah for sure. So, but we're not talking about downtown

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<v Speaker 2>Lan and everybody who to your horses. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the coliseum. Like you said, that was just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>one fact, and I'm calling it a back chuck your

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<v Speaker 2>your Yeah, I guess you're poop puing in a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>which is fine. We can agree to disagree on that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think you're probably right. But still it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It kind of underscores how everybody in history has looked

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<v Speaker 2>back at the call is just this marvel of engineering

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<v Speaker 2>and a design and architecture. It was built in like

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<v Speaker 2>eight years, astoundingly enough, and it's survived earthquakes and all

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of terrible catastrophes, and it's still standing in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot pretty good shape considering how old it is two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand years. But what I didn't know when I was there,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew, but it didn't really sink in. It is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most despicable places ever built in the

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<v Speaker 2>history of Western civilization.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean, we're going to get into the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that went on there. It's you know, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>like the history of the Globe Theater or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was much bloodier. Because everyone knows well, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the gladiators fought at the Colisseum I've seen that Russell

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<v Speaker 2>Crowe movie. True, but it was much much worse than

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<v Speaker 2>even that, and that was pretty bad. But like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get into it. Let's talk about the actual Colosseum

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<v Speaker 2>and where it came from first, how about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you know, there's a long history of theaters

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<v Speaker 1>period in the world. The Colisseum certainly was not the first,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was one of the first, you know, built

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<v Speaker 1>in stone concrete amphitheaters. And if you're confused, like I was,

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<v Speaker 1>the term amphitheater these days can can just mean a

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a big concert venue. It doesn't necessarily mean

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<v Speaker 1>it is just a round thing, right, because most things

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<v Speaker 1>called an amphitheater day are the kind that were not

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<v Speaker 1>like they wouldn't have used that term back then because

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't fully encircled. It's like it's a theater like

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<v Speaker 1>the Hollywood Bowl or something. You've got a stage and

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<v Speaker 1>then the seats are sort of built in a big

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<v Speaker 1>hill in a semicircle like those are called amphitheaters now,

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<v Speaker 1>but technically amphi means around, and so it was these

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<v Speaker 1>were the first theaters to be built all the way

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<v Speaker 1>around whatever performance was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally and like today's amphitheaters are much more like

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<v Speaker 2>the old theaters, which are exactly what you described as.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you go to amphitheater, you can understand what

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<v Speaker 2>a theater was in Greece and ancient Rome, and back

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<v Speaker 2>in the day, the Roman Senate decided that having these

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<v Speaker 2>venues permanent as permanent structures was decadent, so there was

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<v Speaker 2>a ban on building permanent theaters and amphitheaters. But that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that the ones that they built that were

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<v Speaker 2>temporary weren't incredibly elaborate. Sure, our good friend Pliny mentions

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<v Speaker 2>one wooden temporary theater in Rome. I believe that had

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<v Speaker 2>three stories of columns, three thousand bronze statues, and they

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<v Speaker 2>gave out free bobbleheads of nero when you came in.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up with planning all over the place the past

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<v Speaker 1>few years?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, if you're a historian took especially of that era,

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<v Speaker 2>you are so happy that that man lived because he

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<v Speaker 2>sat down and said, you know what, I'm gonna write

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<v Speaker 2>all this down for I'm sure people who come later

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<v Speaker 2>are going to want to know what we were doing

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<v Speaker 2>at this time. And sure, no because of planting.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we've just done more topics. I just feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we went I mean, he's the new fighter flight

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<v Speaker 1>for us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he really is totally So, like.

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<v Speaker 1>We said, there were stone amphitheaters. The first one ever,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe was in Pompeii, the very awesome and famous

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<v Speaker 1>Pink Floyd Liva Pompei concert was full near so kind

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<v Speaker 1>of nobody, which is a very cool, strange thing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And then finally get we get Nero as emperor, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was around during the Great Fire of sixty four

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<v Speaker 1>where a lot of the wooden stuff obviously went away,

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<v Speaker 1>including wooden amphitheaters in Rome, and Nero was able to say, like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, you know, I'm going to rebuild a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff and put my stamp on Rome, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not He didn't get around to building an amphitheater before

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<v Speaker 1>he went.

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<v Speaker 2>Away, No he didn't. And it was a big deal

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<v Speaker 2>that the amphitheater in Rome, the temporary one, was burned

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<v Speaker 2>down because already gladiator battles had been firmly established in

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<v Speaker 2>the popular culture. So all of a sudden you had

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<v Speaker 2>like people who couldn't go to like, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>local blood sport event, and like vent all of their

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<v Speaker 2>frustrations and not you know, stage an uprising against you

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<v Speaker 2>as the emperor. So it's something you would want to have.

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<v Speaker 2>But because of that fire, a lot of people still

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<v Speaker 2>to this day blamed Nero for starting the fire because

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<v Speaker 2>he rebuilt such opulent monuments to himself on the rubble

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<v Speaker 2>of Rome. Anyway, he eventually was toppled by a coup.

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<v Speaker 2>He died by suicide, and that left open a power

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<v Speaker 2>vacuum that was filled within one year. I think Rome

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<v Speaker 2>had something like three different no, four different emperors because

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<v Speaker 2>a little civil war started, and the guy who emerged

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<v Speaker 2>successfully was the first emperor of the Flavian dynasty, Vespasian.

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<v Speaker 1>Vespasian very nice, yeah, he and you know, he took

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<v Speaker 1>a look around. He had a couple of kids, a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of sons, notably Titus and I guess Domaitian I think,

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<v Speaker 1>so okay, and he got them established as successor. So

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<v Speaker 1>he was pretty firmly rooted at this point. And he

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<v Speaker 1>was like, you know, Nero came in and tried to, well,

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<v Speaker 1>not try to very successfully, built a lot of monuments

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<v Speaker 1>to himself, kind of put his own stamp on Rome.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Chuck will mention earlier, in the podcast many years

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<v Speaker 1>from now, and I want to put my stamp on

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<v Speaker 1>this thing, and so I'm going to build my own

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<v Speaker 1>sort of huge colossus theater. He didn't say that because

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about where the name came from in a second.

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<v Speaker 1>But his son had been out, you know, active as

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<v Speaker 1>a military leader. I believe it was Titus. Yeah, for

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<v Speaker 1>the siege of Jerusalem. Came back with a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>war spoils, and so basically, you know, I've got all

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<v Speaker 1>this money now besides raising taxes and claiming public land

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<v Speaker 1>and doing you know, basically whatever Vespasian wanted as far

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<v Speaker 1>as building infrastructure and probably monuments to himself. Sure, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>now I've got these war spoils, so I can build

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<v Speaker 1>like a proper concrete, permanent stone amphitheater.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the first one in Rome. And Vespasian was already

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<v Speaker 2>pretty beloved. He was a really popular general, successful general.

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<v Speaker 2>He was popular with the Senate. So when he became emperor,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody was like, okay, this is cool. But he really

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<v Speaker 2>won everybody over because Nero had been taking all of

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<v Speaker 2>Rome's money and spending it on monuments to himself and

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<v Speaker 2>like this enormous multi acre I think like one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty acre house called the Golden House, and Vespasian

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<v Speaker 2>did the opposite. Yeah, he built some monuments to himself,

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<v Speaker 2>but he also built a lot of public monuments. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's what the Colosseum was. It was a gift to

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<v Speaker 2>the citizens of Rome. Like remember that kreuddy wooden temporary theater.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember how the Senate banned temporary theaters. Here is your

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<v Speaker 2>first state of the art, permanent amphitheater that you are

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<v Speaker 2>going to watch so many people murdered and it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to just knock your socks.

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<v Speaker 1>Off, that's right. Had a very crass joke that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to keep to myself, okay, because this is a

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<v Speaker 1>family show, but tell me later. I'll tell you later,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. And he was so sort of take this

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<v Speaker 1>anarro that he built the Colosseum on the site where

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<v Speaker 1>that estate was where Nero lived domus Aria.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the Golden House, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the land on which the Golden House sat,

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<v Speaker 1>and the lake that was built there. There was this

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<v Speaker 1>artificial pond, so like I'm going to fill that up

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<v Speaker 1>even and really just sort of eraise in Neuro's legacy

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<v Speaker 1>as much as possible and can you tell him where

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<v Speaker 1>the name Colosseum may have come from.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently there was like a hundred something foot tall nude

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<v Speaker 2>statue of Nero and rather than it was bronze, and

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<v Speaker 2>rather than melted down and reuse it, they put it

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<v Speaker 2>up and they propped it up in front of the Colosseum.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was the Amphitheater that had the colossus of

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<v Speaker 2>Nero or the Colosseum. It's like museum but with coloss.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, But they didn't pronounce it colossium.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they called it like the Amphitheater.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no one said colisseum until later. No one's ever

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<v Speaker 1>said colossum except for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have never really threw me off before we

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<v Speaker 2>started recording.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I say we take a break, okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we come back and talk about the building itself.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we're back. We're talking coliseum, big theater, stadium,

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<v Speaker 1>outdoor arena, whatever you want to call it. Amphitheater in

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<v Speaker 1>ancient Rome. If you're talking about the building itself, it

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<v Speaker 1>is six one hundred and twenty by five hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen feet one hundred and fifty seven feet tall, which

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<v Speaker 1>about fifteen stories. Obviously, we mentioned it was made of

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<v Speaker 1>mostly concrete, but that's, you know, sort of the structure.

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<v Speaker 1>There was also about three and a half a million

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<v Speaker 1>cubic feet of stuff like wood, of course, travertine, marble, stone.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason why you mentioned the coliseum is still

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<v Speaker 1>largely standing through earthquakes and such two thousand plus years

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<v Speaker 1>later is because this thing was built on wetlands. So

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<v Speaker 1>they had to go very very deep with this concrete

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<v Speaker 1>with their foundation, and that's what you get two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>years later, it's still going.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. There's a historian of ancient Rome named Garrett Ryan

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<v Speaker 2>has got a blog called Told in Stone, and he

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<v Speaker 2>said that they built facing walls ten feet thick on

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<v Speaker 2>each side that supported a ring of concrete foundation that

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<v Speaker 2>they poured one hundred feet wide and forty feet deep.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what the Colisseum is built on them.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what the ancient recipe for concrete was.

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<v Speaker 2>Funny enough, I kind of looked that up because Roman

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<v Speaker 2>concrete is very famous because it's still standing in modern

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<v Speaker 2>concrete can crumble in a matter of decades, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>the Romans kind of had us beat. And they figured

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<v Speaker 2>out that it was because they mixed quicklimb in at

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<v Speaker 2>really high temperatures, and it created this chemical reaction that

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<v Speaker 2>was still kind of buzzing after the stuff was poured,

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<v Speaker 2>so that it would cure much more quickly and solidly.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what they think it was.

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<v Speaker 1>So just the heat they heated up that quick crete.

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<v Speaker 2>The heat, my god, the heat.

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<v Speaker 1>If you love columns, you would be delighted with the

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<v Speaker 1>Colisseum because there's a lot of columns and they go

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<v Speaker 1>in order from lowly to I guess the most revered,

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<v Speaker 1>as they start with a Doric style at the bottom,

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<v Speaker 1>move on up to the ionic on the second level,

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<v Speaker 1>and then finally, of course you get to the very

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<v Speaker 1>fancy Corinthian columns on the top. And they even had

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<v Speaker 1>a little, not a little, a pretty sizable retractable awningeah

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<v Speaker 1>that went all the way around it. And if you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever been to the Mercedes Benz Stadium in Atlanta, it

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<v Speaker 1>sort of is like that, where there's a circle in

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<v Speaker 1>the ceiling in Atlanta, of course that opens in huts

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<v Speaker 1>like a camera shutter wood or I guess an old

0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:50.480
<v Speaker 1>film camera shutter wood. So in Atlanta it has a

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<v Speaker 1>circle around above like to where the field could possibly

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<v Speaker 1>get rained on. Of course, they don't open it when

0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.600
<v Speaker 1>it's going to rain, sure, but all the humans are covered.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was the same deal as there was a

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<v Speaker 1>circle in the center that always stayed open because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't have retractable roofs, but they did have a

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<v Speaker 1>retractable partial awning to keep everyone else dry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then the so the building was huge. The

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<v Speaker 2>actual like floor, the ground that the action took place

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<v Speaker 2>on the arena floor, it was an oval shape of

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and seventy two by one hundred and fifty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Feet the sandbox.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was covered insand because they would soak up

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<v Speaker 2>like blood and they needed it because a lot of

0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.040
<v Speaker 2>blood was spilled there. And like I said, it took

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<v Speaker 2>eight years to build, and apparently it was finally dedicated

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<v Speaker 2>under Emperor Titus Vespasian son under his watch, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was actually a pretty short lived emperor, although much beloved.

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<v Speaker 2>And his little brother Domitian. Yeah, when he became emperor,

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<v Speaker 2>he excavated that arena floor about ten twenty feet down. Yeah,

0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:04.640
<v Speaker 2>built the hypogium, which means basement or below ground. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was here where suddenly this thing became like this

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<v Speaker 2>magical marvel of special effects and technical wizardry.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally. This is where like you could really kick

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<v Speaker 1>it up a notch when you could have six hundred

0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.040
<v Speaker 1>dudes and a lot of you know, most of these

0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:25.520
<v Speaker 1>were slaves obviously, but they're down there all of a

0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:30.919
<v Speaker 1>sudden with pulleys and ramps and trap doors and fully

0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:34.200
<v Speaker 1>operated elevators, and you could do all kinds of crazy

0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:37.280
<v Speaker 1>magical things down there. At the least, you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>holding area for animals and gladiators and people, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was sort of like you would think of any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of backstage area of like a circus or something,

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<v Speaker 1>except it was underground.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that they portrayed it in Gladiator, if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not mistaken, but they would have. Like there's a production

0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.520
<v Speaker 2>company that build a replica of this for a PBS

0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:03.200
<v Speaker 2>documentary a few years back and actually donated it to Italy,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's on display it in the coliseum. But they

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<v Speaker 2>showed how like you would put an animal in a cage,

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<v Speaker 2>used some police to bring it up, and as it

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<v Speaker 2>was coming up toward the floor of the arena, a

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<v Speaker 2>trap door would open, and then all of a sudden,

0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.479
<v Speaker 2>there's just a lion sitting there that wasn't there before,

0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:20.919
<v Speaker 2>So I mean imagine watching like a man fight a

0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:24.240
<v Speaker 2>lion to begin with. Before it was like here comes

0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.280
<v Speaker 2>the lion walk in, and here comes the man walking in. Pohum.

0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:31.159
<v Speaker 2>Now it's like a lion magically appears and starts fighting

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<v Speaker 2>with the guy. This was like the kind of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that they were throwing at the citizens of Rome at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and from what I can tell, almost all

0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:40.600
<v Speaker 2>of the citizens of Rome were eating it up. There

0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:42.399
<v Speaker 2>were some people who are like, this is an awful

0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:46.200
<v Speaker 2>barbaric place at the time, but most citizens of Rome

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<v Speaker 2>were super into it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know when I saw bon Jobi in concert, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw them a couple of times, both by accident.

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<v Speaker 1>They opened up for thirty eight Special when I was

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<v Speaker 1>like in the eighth grade, when they were a very

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<v Speaker 1>small band.

0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.439
<v Speaker 2>Wake up like after having been drugged in like a

0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:03.640
<v Speaker 2>bon Jovi concert.

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<v Speaker 1>No. The second time was my senior year in high school.

0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Sort of a long story, but there was somebody at

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<v Speaker 1>our school that couldn't find anyone to go with them,

0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.600
<v Speaker 1>so I went with them. But bon Jovi in that

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<v Speaker 1>second one, you know, when they were the headliner at

0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.080
<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the show, there's like, you know, the

0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.160
<v Speaker 1>band is kind of coming out and they start off

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<v Speaker 1>their song and I'm like, where's John, Where's John? And

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<v Speaker 1>boom smoke. A smoke blast happens on stage and the

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<v Speaker 1>smoke clears and bon Jovi is just standing there.

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<v Speaker 2>So being bon Jovi exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a horizontal trap door that would instead of

0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:44.920
<v Speaker 1>falling through it, it would shoot him up Nate in an instant,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was, even though it's not like I was

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<v Speaker 1>dying to go to that show, I was. I was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty knocked out.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta say, for sure, buddy, you better stand exactly

0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:54.679
<v Speaker 2>where they tell you to stand on that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>trapdoor play.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, so you don't want to. It went up

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<v Speaker 1>with some I think I saw behind this of it

0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:02.200
<v Speaker 1>one time. Even it went up with some speed.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll thought that was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the things, oh, we didn't mention that

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<v Speaker 2>the like, there were plenty of people who were in

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<v Speaker 2>that ring, including animals, that would have liked to have

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<v Speaker 2>gotten out of that ring. So they prevented this by

0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:21.600
<v Speaker 2>separating the seating area from the arena floor a rather

0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:26.480
<v Speaker 2>large stone barrier, twelve foot stone barrier with a bronze

0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:28.399
<v Speaker 2>fence on top of that and then on top of

0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:31.920
<v Speaker 2>that they lined it with elephant tusks, so it do it, yeah,

0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:36.480
<v Speaker 2>to get over. But that seating area was like a

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<v Speaker 2>snapshot of social hierarchy in Rome because they had it

0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:42.600
<v Speaker 2>very much divided up socially.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this, Like reading this, I was kind of like,

0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:49.680
<v Speaker 1>it's sort of exactly how it is today. You've got

0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:54.400
<v Speaker 1>your very very special people are sitting courtside. Yeah, down

0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:57.000
<v Speaker 1>there on the hardwood floor, but they can yell at

0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Butler or Lebron or whoever. Sure, senators families obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>and their guests. They could bring their own folding chairs,

0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:07.280
<v Speaker 1>which is pretty special at the time, I think, sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But they also had their box seats, you know a

0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:11.879
<v Speaker 1>little higher up what would we would call like a

0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:15.080
<v Speaker 1>luxury box today. And this is where you know, usually

0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:20.000
<v Speaker 1>see the emperor and emperor's guests, just just like you

0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:23.000
<v Speaker 1>would today any rich or famous person who has a

0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:25.040
<v Speaker 1>luxury box and their hangers on.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, kit you imagine those senators to just like assert

0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:32.719
<v Speaker 2>their individualism, like bedazzled some of their seats right that

0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:36.800
<v Speaker 2>they brought. Sure, So after that I had not heard

0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:42.280
<v Speaker 2>of this group. There there was a social stratus stratum yeah,

0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:46.600
<v Speaker 2>in Rome called it equestrians. Yeah, the equestriane order were

0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:50.840
<v Speaker 2>people who had originally served in the cavalry and then

0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:55.280
<v Speaker 2>went on to become extraordinarily prosperous and wealthy business people.

0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:59.679
<v Speaker 2>So there were merchants, tradesmen, bureaucrats, sometimes artisans. And the

0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:03.280
<v Speaker 2>reason that they were ticking up the slack for the

0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:06.439
<v Speaker 2>business world in Rome, it is because the Senate was

0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:10.479
<v Speaker 2>forbidden from engaging in business, so didn't want the senators tainted.

0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:14.880
<v Speaker 2>So all of that fell to these equestrians who made

0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:19.800
<v Speaker 2>up that I guess wealthy class, but not senators or

0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:20.600
<v Speaker 2>the emperor.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they're like in the what you would call

0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:25.720
<v Speaker 1>the one hundred level seats, you move up to the

0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:29.240
<v Speaker 1>two hundred level as far as modern arenas go, and

0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:32.200
<v Speaker 1>then you've got your middle class. But within that middle

0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:35.640
<v Speaker 1>class in the coliseum it was subdivided more than three

0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:41.600
<v Speaker 1>hundred times for very specific areas, for very specific social groups,

0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:44.520
<v Speaker 1>like you know, ambassadors are in this section. If you're

0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:47.119
<v Speaker 1>a soldier on leave, you're over here. If you were

0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:51.359
<v Speaker 1>a member of some sort of guild, in middle class guild,

0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:54.720
<v Speaker 1>then you're sitting over here. And then of course you've

0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:58.520
<v Speaker 1>got your three hundred level those bleeds. It's always been

0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:00.720
<v Speaker 1>that way. It'll alway these be this way. You have

0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:06.240
<v Speaker 1>the cheap seats, and it's I don't think it's confirmed,

0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:09.240
<v Speaker 1>but most of these were standing room only at the coliseum.

0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're just basing that on the fact that they

0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:14.760
<v Speaker 2>are so steep and the seats so shallow. It's like

0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:18.520
<v Speaker 2>this has to be standing room only. Yeah. And there

0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:22.760
<v Speaker 2>there were times where, especially during events that the emperor

0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:26.199
<v Speaker 2>put on at the coliseum, where you couldn't leave. So

0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:29.520
<v Speaker 2>if you're uncomfortable ts you had to stay there and

0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:32.480
<v Speaker 2>watch because the Emperor was putting this on for your benefit.

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<v Speaker 1>Who did they ban entirely though? I thought's done this interesting?

0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they banned grave diggers actors and former gladiators. And

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:43.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm just high or low for you know what that

0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:46.200
<v Speaker 2>what the reason was. And grave diggers is pretty obvious

0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:48.679
<v Speaker 2>that you know, plenty of societies around the world in

0:24:48.760 --> 0:24:52.800
<v Speaker 2>different times have looked upon grave diggers is basically untouchable,

0:24:52.880 --> 0:24:57.080
<v Speaker 2>like societies unwanted but incredibly necessary rights. The way you

0:24:57.119 --> 0:25:02.119
<v Speaker 2>treat incredibly necessary people, that's how grave dig have been treated. Actors.

0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:06.840
<v Speaker 2>I saw a stack exchange explanation that said that they

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:10.320
<v Speaker 2>were viewed as like lowly and untrustworthy and dangerous even

0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:13.520
<v Speaker 2>maybe and the former gladiators, I saw that they were

0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:18.440
<v Speaker 2>worried that they might attack other people out of revenge

0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:21.159
<v Speaker 2>or something. But the person who gave that answer doubted

0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:24.480
<v Speaker 2>it well after worth with a grain of salt.

0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the actress in tracks, just because it's been well

0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:31.719
<v Speaker 1>established that acting as a profession was not something that

0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:34.960
<v Speaker 1>was looked kindly upon or to aspire to for most

0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:35.679
<v Speaker 1>of its history.

0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:40.680
<v Speaker 2>Right, but they were considered lowlier than slaves then because

0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:42.879
<v Speaker 2>the slaves were allowed to go sit in the cheap seats,

0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:47.639
<v Speaker 2>the actors couldn't even come in. Yeah, it's strange. And

0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 2>I know that Rome had a much different view of

0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:54.120
<v Speaker 2>their slaves than the West African slave trade that started

0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 2>by the Portuguese in theeenth seventeenth century. That was I know,

0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:03.000
<v Speaker 2>it's it's still a lot different, but that's still pretty surprising, right,

0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:06.119
<v Speaker 2>of course, I'm with you, So, Chuck, I mentioned that

0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:07.960
<v Speaker 2>you didn't have enough mind to get a pottery shart.

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 2>That wasn't some random weird thing I was saying earlier.

0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 2>That's actually what the tickets were. They had a gate,

0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:15.800
<v Speaker 2>a section, and a seat number inscribed on a little

0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:16.760
<v Speaker 2>shard of pottery.

0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Can you believe that they're I mean, surely you turn

0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:22.560
<v Speaker 1>these things back in, right, I guess.

0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 2>But I didn't see any examples of any that had survived.

0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:28.040
<v Speaker 2>But surely there must be a couple left. As many

0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:29.720
<v Speaker 2>events as were held there.

0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:33.680
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine they carved, you know, fifty plus thousand

0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:36.320
<v Speaker 1>of these for every single event that they had, But

0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:38.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe so who knows. It was free to

0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:40.920
<v Speaker 1>get in. That's kind of cool. You didn't have to

0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:44.640
<v Speaker 1>pay any money. But they were not just anyone could

0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:47.720
<v Speaker 1>get the tickets. They were very much distributed in this

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:50.280
<v Speaker 1>sort of the same way the seating was very structured

0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:54.920
<v Speaker 1>in a hierarchical way. The tickets were distributed thusly as well.

0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:58.920
<v Speaker 1>And you know that's how you got in. You got

0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:01.000
<v Speaker 1>in with your little ticket. Your little ticket said what

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 1>gate to go in, just like today, to get you

0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 1>in as quickly as possible. And like you said, they've

0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 1>got people out of there, it seems like pretty quickly.

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:11.719
<v Speaker 1>The only reason I said was dubious because anytime they

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:15.320
<v Speaker 1>say something like very specific like fifteen minutes, and it

0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:17.639
<v Speaker 1>was two thousand years ago. I'm always like, who was

0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:18.479
<v Speaker 1>timing this back then?

0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:20.560
<v Speaker 2>Right, That's why I was going up to eighteen minutes.

0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:23.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I bet it was super speedy.

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Though, so one of the other things about it that

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 2>comes into play later. It was equipped with water fountains

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:31.879
<v Speaker 2>and flushing toilets, so there was running water that could

0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 2>reach the coliseum. Yeah, but then your hat for later, okay.

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that also means that during the games there

0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:47.119
<v Speaker 1>were drunk dudes at urinals barking out their sports opinions.

0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:51.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. Essentially, some thing's never change, something's never changed.

0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 2>So I guess it's finally time we talk about what

0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:56.920
<v Speaker 2>exactly went on there, right.

0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:02.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean when it first opened, Titus, do you

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:03.800
<v Speaker 1>know if if Dad was still around to see it

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:05.919
<v Speaker 1>open at least, or was he dead or was he

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 1>just out of power.

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:09.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't think they really curious, like

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:13.159
<v Speaker 2>stepped out of power much before they died, those guys,

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 2>the emperors.

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:19.200
<v Speaker 1>But they said, all right, big grand opening. Let's get

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:22.920
<v Speaker 1>one hundred straight days of action going every single day

0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:25.399
<v Speaker 1>for one hundred days. We're gonna have a big show

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:29.080
<v Speaker 1>and a show at the coliseum. Was kind of an

0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:33.240
<v Speaker 1>all day thing. You know. After that first hundred days,

0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>it looks like they basically had stuff during the winter

0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 1>and then like special events like to celebrate the emperor

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 1>or for big you know, the birthdays and not you know,

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:46.280
<v Speaker 1>just anyan's birthday, but you can rent it out like.

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:49.160
<v Speaker 2>A Jackie Donald or at the coliseum.

0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 1>That's funny. But the very first thing that would happen

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 1>was a procession. It was known as a solemn procession,

0:28:57.400 --> 0:29:01.000
<v Speaker 1>had music, sort of religious themes, and then they started

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:02.320
<v Speaker 1>killing animals.

0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I saw that they kind of they kind of

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 2>I guess justified or you know, put some sort of

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:13.880
<v Speaker 2>veneer of sanctity on this. By this whole thing basically

0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 2>having religious themes throughout, good for them. So, yes, you're

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:20.440
<v Speaker 2>gonna make me talk about the animals.

0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Huh, Well, I mean I said they killed animals.

0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll go into somewhat greater detail. So what they

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 2>would do is they would go procure animals from all

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:35.760
<v Speaker 2>corners of the Roman Empire, some Saharan Africa, Asia. They

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 2>would bring in tigers, lions, bear seriously, if they would

0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 2>bring in elephants, they brought in alligators Rhinocera just anything

0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 2>you can think of, any massive exotic animal that's deadly.

0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 2>They went and got a bunch of them and brought

0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:59.640
<v Speaker 2>them back for these events, which we should say took

0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 2>months of planning and a lot of people working on

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:06.479
<v Speaker 2>every single one. They were like, you know, half assed

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:10.959
<v Speaker 2>one off, you know, to like a band in the

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 2>park kind of thing, like this is a this is

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:17.480
<v Speaker 2>like a really huge event, right, Yeah, So I'm really.

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Say one hundred days is just like crazy impressive.

0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, there really is. So they would take these animals

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 2>and then they would they would convert the arena floor

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 2>into something like a jungle with potted plants or shrubs

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:32.160
<v Speaker 2>or something like that, and then they would bring in

0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 2>either animal handlers or hunters venatois or bistiari who would

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:40.960
<v Speaker 2>hunt the animals in front of everybody. And it wasn't

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 2>like any kind of equal stuff, but the animals did

0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 2>sometimes kill some of the humans, and apparently the the

0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 2>spectators just love that kind of thing.

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Sure, yeah, I mean they brought them in from all

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 1>over the world as sort of like a big show

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 1>of hey, look at where we've been, look at how

0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 1>vast we are. We're not just bringing in local The

0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>cats of Rome. You know, there's kinds of feral cats

0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 1>in Rome, unsatisfying. Could you imagine someone getting killed by

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:16.120
<v Speaker 1>one hundred feral cats attacking them though? That'd be pretty fun.

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can I can see it now.

0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:21.280
<v Speaker 1>And then sometimes they would have the animals fight one another.

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 1>They would match up, you know, a cheetah versus a

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 1>tiger or something like that, sure, or an elephant versus

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:28.840
<v Speaker 1>a rhinoceros.

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 2>I saw a bear versus python. Really yeah, dude, they

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 2>got really weird and disgusting.

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:41.560
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't think that would even work. You can't go

0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 1>to python into fighting, can you?

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:46.160
<v Speaker 2>I saw it written down on the internet chuck. Yeah,

0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember where I saw it, but I think

0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:48.960
<v Speaker 2>it was a legit source.

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, I'm not saying it didn't happen. But did

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 1>you see the Yell review of the performance. No, Python

0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:57.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't do much, Bear was disinterested. One star.

0:31:57.720 --> 0:32:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I wonder like how many of these animals just

0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 2>didn't fight each other.

0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, and I'm sure they forced them to do whatever,

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm sure they prodded and goaded them and

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, injured them and did whatever they had to do. Yeah,

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 1>but they would also just have animal tricks and stuff

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:17.720
<v Speaker 1>like that, a little more circus like atmosphere at times

0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 1>when they weren't killing them or making them kill each other.

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 1>So after this is done, enslave people come out and

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:30.080
<v Speaker 1>they clean up hundreds and hundreds of dead animals, and

0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 1>I guess rake the sand around to mix the blood

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:35.080
<v Speaker 1>in and sure the guts and make sure everything was

0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:39.560
<v Speaker 1>nice and tidy. Sometimes they would butcher the animals and

0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 1>give out the meat right there, so you could be

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:44.840
<v Speaker 1>out there for a show in the early afternoon and

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:49.680
<v Speaker 1>get a lion's thigh to keep there in the arena

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:51.120
<v Speaker 1>for the rest of the day until you can take

0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 1>it home and die of food poisoning.

0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Right, I thought about that too. That is not a

0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:56.320
<v Speaker 2>great plan.

0:32:57.040 --> 0:33:00.840
<v Speaker 1>But they sometimes they would feed them real lunch. They

0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 1>did have vending places, like what do you call them

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 1>concession stands where you could buy stuff, and it was

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 1>it was like a modern state em in a lot

0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:09.360
<v Speaker 1>of ways.

0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Again, Yeah, I mean like it's it's so much so

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:16.040
<v Speaker 2>that I was like, oh, okay, is football and all

0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:20.120
<v Speaker 2>like professional sports just all descended from the coliseum And.

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:21.720
<v Speaker 1>How did you sneak in your weed?

0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:24.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they had to sneak it in back then.

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, probably so.

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:30.080
<v Speaker 2>So after that, after they got all the animals cleaned

0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 2>up in the sand raked and all that stuff, it

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 2>was about noon, and noon was the time for public executions,

0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 2>because hoy, they would most people think that gladiator battles

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 2>were to the death. That was actually infrequent as far

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 2>as gladiator battles, as we'll see, but they gave them

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:52.160
<v Speaker 2>plenty of death of humans with these public executions, and

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 2>they would really go to town creating these elaborate deaths

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 2>like this is a person's death, but they would dress

0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:01.280
<v Speaker 2>them up like Icarus and pretend they were flying close

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:03.520
<v Speaker 2>to the sun and set them on fighter like that

0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:04.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff.

0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, crucifixions hack you to death with a sword. These

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 1>reenact reenactments are just like I had never heard of

0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:16.560
<v Speaker 1>that before in my life. I mean, it's bad enough

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 1>to have a public execution, but yeah, then to make

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:22.920
<v Speaker 1>someone reenact some big famous like story from history where

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 1>the hero dies or whatever, it's just like, it's pretty

0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 1>unbelievable as far as Christians being fed to the lions go.

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 1>That's something that you've heard over and over throughout history.

0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:40.960
<v Speaker 1>That surely happened but it wasn't like every single time

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:43.880
<v Speaker 1>the Colosseum had a show they would just throw, you know,

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:46.240
<v Speaker 1>fifteen Christians out in the middle of a bunch of lions.

0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:51.879
<v Speaker 1>Persecution of Christians in Rome was happened over the course

0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:54.480
<v Speaker 1>of a long time in a lot of places here

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:57.400
<v Speaker 1>and there. But it wasn't like that was what was

0:34:57.440 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 1>always happening at the coliseum.

0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Right, But yes they were. They were persecuted and executed

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 2>for their for their beliefs, like it did happen. One

0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:11.600
<v Speaker 2>that was documented was saying Ignatious of Antioch, and he

0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 2>was martyred in UH one ten and he was mauled

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:19.880
<v Speaker 2>by animals, like he was torn to pieces by half

0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 2>starved wild animals that were released on him. And he

0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 2>apparently had asked friends in high places not to intercede

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.960
<v Speaker 2>on his behalf. And he didn't fight back, by all accounts,

0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:33.920
<v Speaker 2>he just stood there and took it and died. And

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:36.480
<v Speaker 2>that happened a lot like there was a There was

0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 2>a lot of Christian and Jewish persecution in Rome because

0:35:40.600 --> 0:35:45.799
<v Speaker 2>they didn't conform to the Roman mythological beliefs, right right,

0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 2>They're pantheon of gods and so they and they were

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:51.880
<v Speaker 2>also in the minority, and people on the margins have

0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:55.000
<v Speaker 2>always been persecuted. Maybe not fed to the lions, but

0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:58.880
<v Speaker 2>persecuted at least, and Rome was no different.

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:02.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. When I worked in New Jersey at the restaurant

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:04.600
<v Speaker 1>many years ago that I worked at, there was a

0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:07.719
<v Speaker 1>bar tender named Pete. And if a football game was

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 1>on in the bar and you walked by and around, like, hey,

0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:12.040
<v Speaker 1>what's up with the game, he would say, line's ten,

0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Christian's nothing. That was like his go to line for

0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:16.640
<v Speaker 1>anybody that asked the score.

0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:19.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, I guess two thousand years later, it's not

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:21.840
<v Speaker 2>too soon, right Bright.

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:24.480
<v Speaker 1>He always got to chuckle out of most people, Yeah,

0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:27.879
<v Speaker 1>but probably offended some people. Sure, looking back, I thought

0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Pete was so old. It's funny. I was twenty five

0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 1>that that Pete was thirty two.

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:35.120
<v Speaker 2>It is, though, it's so old. When you're in your twenties.

0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:36.200
<v Speaker 2>Everybody's still old.

0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Everybody's so old.

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh have you seen that that new naporghatsy special.

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:42.879
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:46.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's talking about being like forty two, and he

0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 2>thinks he's still young hanging out with the twenties. Something.

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 2>Some forty five year ol comes over. He's like beat it,

0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 2>old man. There's a couple of young guys hanging out

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:56.399
<v Speaker 2>over here. It is good, very good.

0:36:56.440 --> 0:36:59.000
<v Speaker 1>He's but then the punchline of that, you're not gonna

0:36:59.000 --> 0:36:59.640
<v Speaker 1>do the punchline?

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:01.839
<v Speaker 2>Remember the punch line. I think I was laughing too

0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:02.880
<v Speaker 2>ardor must not have heard it.

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 1>The punch line. He's like, yeah, you and young guys

0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:07.920
<v Speaker 1>just hanging out over and then he goes something like uh,

0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:09.719
<v Speaker 1>and also maybe let's sit down.

0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 2>That's right. That was a good punchline. He's good.

0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 1>If you're a Nate Barghetti fan. He was on an

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:18.200
<v Speaker 1>episode of Movie Crush. We talked about the movie Scream.

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's a good, good pick, so go check it out.

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 2>You're not a Nate Barghesi fan, goes some of that

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:24.799
<v Speaker 2>and go watch his specials.

0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he has blowed up since that Movie Crush appearance.

0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:29.400
<v Speaker 2>That's awesome.

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:33.760
<v Speaker 1>He's doing arenas now what Yes, dude, he's doing Phillips

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Arena or State Barn Arena.

0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:37.879
<v Speaker 1>On his next show, it's crazy and it's great.

0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:40.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's going to half a new better guy.

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Agreed. Speaking of better guys, maybe we should take a

0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:47.799
<v Speaker 1>break work on ourselves a little bit.

0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 2>Work on our segs and then come back better guys.

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:28.200
<v Speaker 2>All right, Chuck, it's time to talk about gladiators, gladiators, gladiators.

0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:26.759
<v Speaker 1>Let's do it.

0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:28.920
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of misconceptions, and we talked about this

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 2>in the Spartakuss episode. We talked about chariot racing and

0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:36.200
<v Speaker 2>gladiator gladiators and stuff like that, and that's that's definitely

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:38.719
<v Speaker 2>worth going to listen to. If this is if you're like, wow,

0:38:38.760 --> 0:38:41.000
<v Speaker 2>ancient Rome is fascinating, you want to learn more about it,

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 2>go listen to our Spartakuss episode. But there's a lot

0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:48.319
<v Speaker 2>of misconceptions still, one of which, like I mentioned, is

0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:51.400
<v Speaker 2>that most gladiator battles were fight fights to the death,

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:54.640
<v Speaker 2>and that's just not how it was, in part because

0:38:54.640 --> 0:39:01.120
<v Speaker 2>of how gladiators were brought into existence. They were usually criminals,

0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:06.200
<v Speaker 2>prisoners of war, not look not not looked highly upon.

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 2>That's another big misconception too, that they were like today's

0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:12.080
<v Speaker 2>modern mma fighters with all these fans that are like

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:16.440
<v Speaker 2>crazy for them. Not really accurate. But that's not to

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:19.760
<v Speaker 2>say that some of them didn't make like household names

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:22.719
<v Speaker 2>of themselves and probably did have some fans, but it's

0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:25.920
<v Speaker 2>just not a really apt analogy. But as I was saying,

0:39:26.280 --> 0:39:29.080
<v Speaker 2>the the reason why you didn't want to fight to

0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:31.480
<v Speaker 2>the death is because it took a lot of time

0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 2>and effort and investment to train a prisoner of war

0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:38.960
<v Speaker 2>or a criminal who had been condemned to fight like

0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:43.840
<v Speaker 2>well and be a gladiator that successful. So those gladiator

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:46.640
<v Speaker 2>schools were like, we're gonna regular gladiers. Do not let

0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:50.319
<v Speaker 2>them fight to the death, We want them back rewind

0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:51.080
<v Speaker 2>first too.

0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:58.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, uh yeah, they're they're trying to put a good

0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 1>product out there because they're charging well they weren't charging money,

0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:07.320
<v Speaker 1>I guess, but it was entertainment. And when they're all dying,

0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:09.160
<v Speaker 1>then you're just you know, what's going to happen is

0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, it's you know, the B team,

0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:13.799
<v Speaker 1>then the C team is out there, right, And so yeah,

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:16.240
<v Speaker 1>they had a lot of time invested in these guys.

0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:20.839
<v Speaker 1>Uh and I say guys because it was one men,

0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:24.600
<v Speaker 1>except for when they occasionally had like, hey, let's bring

0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:26.600
<v Speaker 1>some women out here to fight as sort of a

0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 1>novelty act kind of thing. But the Colosseum opened in

0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 1>ady A, d and they organized this like everything else

0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:37.960
<v Speaker 1>was organized to the team. You know, Colosseum. Wise, these

0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:42.440
<v Speaker 1>these gladiator battles were organized because they also didn't want

0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:47.440
<v Speaker 1>to throw in you know, Russell Crowe with you know,

0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 1>with me, because I would get pummeled and die so

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:54.200
<v Speaker 1>quickly it wouldn't be any fun for anybody. So yeah,

0:40:54.280 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 1>they organized them by experience level, by their skill, maybe

0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 1>by how they fought, Like, you don't want a grappler

0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:04.720
<v Speaker 1>in there with a swordsman, although that could be interesting,

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:07.960
<v Speaker 1>who knows, but they wanted a swordsman against the swordsman.

0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:10.880
<v Speaker 1>And then they had they had four different groups, right, yeah.

0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 2>They had well five. They have Murmillos, which were heavily armored.

0:41:15.960 --> 0:41:18.680
<v Speaker 2>They had a full helmet, they had a big old shield,

0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:21.600
<v Speaker 2>they had the gladiator sword that you think of, and

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:26.120
<v Speaker 2>then kind of like Murmillo two point zero or Thraxis,

0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:29.120
<v Speaker 2>where they had a smaller shield and a Thracian sword,

0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:32.240
<v Speaker 2>the curved sword, but were very similar to Murmillo's.

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 1>That's right. Then you had the and you were going

0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:41.319
<v Speaker 1>to leave this to me Reddiarius nice I guess they

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:45.880
<v Speaker 1>had lighter armor. These guys had a net and a trident,

0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:47.919
<v Speaker 1>so there was some sort of a nautical theme going

0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:50.520
<v Speaker 1>on so they could like throw a net over someone

0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:53.120
<v Speaker 1>and tried it in them in the chest. Then you

0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:58.560
<v Speaker 1>had the chariot battlers, the chariot fighters, they were the Esidarius,

0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:02.839
<v Speaker 1>and then finally, what do we have the Hoppolo Maccus.

0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Nice job.

0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:05.799
<v Speaker 2>I think these are the ones that you think of

0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:08.160
<v Speaker 2>when you when you think of a gladiator. They had

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:10.440
<v Speaker 2>a helmet that had a plume on it. They had

0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:12.319
<v Speaker 2>a spear, they had a short sword, they had a

0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:16.480
<v Speaker 2>small round shield. I think they had like the shoulder armor. Okay,

0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:19.160
<v Speaker 2>pretty sure that's what Russell Crow would have been a gladiator.

0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:21.400
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen I saw that once back then. I

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:22.319
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen it since then.

0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:24.880
<v Speaker 2>I think I've seen it twice, but it's been a

0:42:24.920 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 2>while for sure. Yeah. I think it was on TNT

0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:28.720
<v Speaker 2>once when I was watching TNT.

0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 1>I think I thought it was pretty good back then.

0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:32.959
<v Speaker 2>But they would so like you said, they would, they

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:35.759
<v Speaker 2>sometimes they would they'd put a Hoppolo Maccus against a

0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:39.120
<v Speaker 2>Ruddiarius or something like that, just to see what happened

0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:40.880
<v Speaker 2>with one guy with a net and another guy with

0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:44.600
<v Speaker 2>a spear, you know, So they would have them fight

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:46.799
<v Speaker 2>like that. But like you were saying, they they did

0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:51.919
<v Speaker 2>line them up according to skill level. And one thing

0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 2>that bears mentioning so that the events of the coliseum

0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:59.840
<v Speaker 2>were free, but the gladiator school still charged whoever was

0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:04.120
<v Speaker 2>on the event or sponsoring the event for renting the gladiators.

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:06.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how did the money work if they weren't making

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:09.399
<v Speaker 1>any money? Did the state just fund it all?

0:43:09.560 --> 0:43:14.439
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Either so, holding an event at the coliseum free

0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:17.480
<v Speaker 2>to everybody who could get a ticket fifty thousand people

0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:21.399
<v Speaker 2>was a really good way of showing everybody how incredibly

0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:22.040
<v Speaker 2>wealthy you.

0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Were, right or because he collected so many taxes.

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Pretty much, or if you were the emperor himself. It

0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:31.560
<v Speaker 2>was a way of it was like a gift to

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:33.400
<v Speaker 2>the citizen. Why it's a way to keep them like

0:43:33.480 --> 0:43:36.319
<v Speaker 2>kind of sedated in line like TV today. It's the

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:40.520
<v Speaker 2>exact same premise from the emperor's perspective, but it was

0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:44.560
<v Speaker 2>also a way to like generate belovedness and adoration from

0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:47.600
<v Speaker 2>the populace by putting on a really good event at

0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:48.440
<v Speaker 2>the coliseum.

0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'd be curious about and we probably will never

0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:54.880
<v Speaker 1>know these specifics, but coming from a world of like

0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.680
<v Speaker 1>TV and film production, I would love to know how

0:43:57.680 --> 0:43:59.960
<v Speaker 1>it literally worked. As a production, like a big production

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:04.440
<v Speaker 1>like this, with budgets and production managers essentially whatever they

0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:07.080
<v Speaker 1>called them. Yeah, I mean they had to have people

0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:09.480
<v Speaker 1>doing all that, and I'm sure there were fights over

0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:11.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, what they could afford and what they couldn't. Yeah,

0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:14.800
<v Speaker 1>like how much money did that got to have that elephant?

0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Exactly?

0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:17.759
<v Speaker 1>So he tried it out. Alligators three days in a row.

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:20.080
<v Speaker 1>I can't get another alligator in there.

0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:22.120
<v Speaker 2>We have ninety seven more days to go.

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:23.720
<v Speaker 1>Wow, amazing.

0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:28.479
<v Speaker 2>So I said that the gladiator battles have been around

0:44:28.520 --> 0:44:30.279
<v Speaker 2>for a while by the time the Colosseum has built,

0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:32.320
<v Speaker 2>been around for at least three hundred years. They started

0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:34.879
<v Speaker 2>out as part of funeral games, and everybody was like, well,

0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:37.359
<v Speaker 2>we like this, so it kind of became like a

0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:40.880
<v Speaker 2>thing that wasn't just part of funerals, right, Yeah, and

0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:47.200
<v Speaker 2>some I said, some gladiators were like well known, And

0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:49.480
<v Speaker 2>there was one who might have been the most well

0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:52.720
<v Speaker 2>known of all time. His name was Flamma the Flame,

0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:56.960
<v Speaker 2>and apparently he was a captured Syrian soldier.

0:44:57.560 --> 0:45:00.359
<v Speaker 1>Did they call him play my jama don't?

0:45:00.920 --> 0:45:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Surely somebody did. Okay, we are from now on. Yeah,

0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:08.640
<v Speaker 2>So he turned down his freedom three different times they

0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:11.360
<v Speaker 2>would offer you your freedom by giving you a rudies,

0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:15.000
<v Speaker 2>a wooden sword that was symbolic of your transition back

0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:19.160
<v Speaker 2>into normal society. Three times he turned it down and

0:45:19.239 --> 0:45:22.080
<v Speaker 2>finally died in a battle at age thirty five. And

0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:25.600
<v Speaker 2>it's blong been considered that he was, you know, just

0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:27.359
<v Speaker 2>in it for the money or the glory or the fame.

0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:31.640
<v Speaker 2>But somebody I read suggested that he was doing it

0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:37.280
<v Speaker 2>because he was trying to stand for his culture, because

0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:41.640
<v Speaker 2>the Romans viewed Syrians very lowly, very cowardly, and Flamma,

0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:45.879
<v Speaker 2>the Syrian soldier, is like the greatest gladiator in all

0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:49.040
<v Speaker 2>of Rome. So they suggested that that might be why

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:49.880
<v Speaker 2>he kept fighting.

0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:53.640
<v Speaker 1>So flamm and Jamma was like, I'm not taking that wooden.

0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:57.319
<v Speaker 2>Sword exactly, he can, that's right.

0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:01.520
<v Speaker 1>There was also an emperor who got involved a gladiator

0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:06.280
<v Speaker 1>style Kommodis, who was a real piece of doo doo.

0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:09.799
<v Speaker 1>He rained from one eighty to one ninety two, and

0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:14.080
<v Speaker 1>you know it was he didn't really fight people. He

0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:16.640
<v Speaker 1>would go out there, you know, to boost his own ego,

0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:20.759
<v Speaker 1>apparently hundreds and hundreds of times as a quote unquote gladiator.

0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:24.399
<v Speaker 1>But you know, they would submit to him immediately, or

0:46:25.000 --> 0:46:27.439
<v Speaker 1>they would submit to them and he would just murder them.

0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:32.480
<v Speaker 1>He had like people with disabilities out there dressed up

0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:36.680
<v Speaker 1>as monsters with sponges painted like rocks, you know that,

0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:40.600
<v Speaker 1>supposedly throwing at him, and he would hunt them with arrows.

0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:44.840
<v Speaker 1>He would come out in public with their blood smeared

0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:50.040
<v Speaker 1>on him. He would kill animals. He was just a

0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:54.640
<v Speaker 1>real awful human being. There's one story where he supposedly

0:46:54.680 --> 0:47:00.439
<v Speaker 1>shot one hundred bears in one morning. Yeah, and he

0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:01.080
<v Speaker 1>was terrible.

0:47:02.160 --> 0:47:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. To make it even worse, he would charge the

0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:08.759
<v Speaker 2>Roman treasury twenty five thousand pieces of silver per appearance

0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:12.399
<v Speaker 2>that he said, I'm going to appear, and so give

0:47:12.440 --> 0:47:15.480
<v Speaker 2>me twenty five thousand pieces of silver. And then there's

0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:17.640
<v Speaker 2>one other thing that I want to mention, because the

0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Colosseum eventually started to crumble, as we'll talk about in

0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:23.759
<v Speaker 2>a second, but during its heyday and possibly toward the

0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:28.640
<v Speaker 2>beginning of it, the air contemporary accounts of filling the

0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Colisseum with water five or six feet deep, putting ships

0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:35.839
<v Speaker 2>in there, and staging mock naval battles. I'm pretty sure

0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:38.040
<v Speaker 2>we talked about that in the Spartacus episode. Or some

0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:42.520
<v Speaker 2>other episode because it's really familiar. Ye may have happened.

0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:46.160
<v Speaker 2>It definitely happened in an artificial lake meat outside of

0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:49.680
<v Speaker 2>the Colisseum. But these some of these contemporary accounts are like, no, no,

0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:51.680
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about the Colisseum itself.

0:47:52.160 --> 0:47:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what my bet is is that they

0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:58.680
<v Speaker 1>did it at least once in the Colisseum. And we're like,

0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:04.200
<v Speaker 1>this is what do they call them? Nomachias? Nomachias? Yeah,

0:48:04.560 --> 0:48:07.080
<v Speaker 1>that they would that. They were like, we should build

0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:10.040
<v Speaker 1>our own place to do this, and they built one

0:48:10.040 --> 0:48:12.960
<v Speaker 1>near the Tiber River that was exclusively for these mocker

0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:16.040
<v Speaker 1>naval battles because I think the Colisseum was probably problematic.

0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:16.880
<v Speaker 1>That would be my guess.

0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:20.640
<v Speaker 2>I think you're a historian now, but you can stop

0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:23.480
<v Speaker 2>holding on to that fact that there was running water

0:48:23.560 --> 0:48:26.319
<v Speaker 2>that could make it to the Colosseum. Everybody, that's right,

0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:29.080
<v Speaker 2>So I said, the Colosseum started to crumble.

0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, I mean quite literally and metaphorically. You know,

0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:36.840
<v Speaker 1>when the rise of the Christian Church in Rome, obviously

0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:39.040
<v Speaker 1>they would come along and say this kind of brutality

0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:43.960
<v Speaker 1>can't stand. The decline of the Roman Empire period and

0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:45.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, people weren't as into this stuff it was.

0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:48.120
<v Speaker 1>It was a moment in time that it was super

0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:52.040
<v Speaker 1>popular and like anything, yeah four hundred, your moment in time.

0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:56.920
<v Speaker 1>But that would wane, and the first earthquake hit in

0:48:56.960 --> 0:49:00.560
<v Speaker 1>four forty three, which damaged it, but it still being

0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:03.879
<v Speaker 1>used like as an amphitheater I think, you know, into

0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:08.800
<v Speaker 1>the sixth century, and then the medieval period comes along

0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:12.439
<v Speaker 1>and for about five hundred years they made it into

0:49:12.480 --> 0:49:16.320
<v Speaker 1>sort of like a like a live work play space.

0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, with shops, warehouses, the common area, the arena

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:24.399
<v Speaker 2>floor became a common area and then it got hit

0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:29.960
<v Speaker 2>by an earthquake again in thirteen forty nine and the

0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:34.360
<v Speaker 2>structure collapsed partially and it ended up becoming like a

0:49:34.560 --> 0:49:38.160
<v Speaker 2>stripped for parts. A lot of people scavenge stone from

0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:40.840
<v Speaker 2>it and other kind of works, including our works. But

0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:43.799
<v Speaker 2>also they used it for like building materials too, and

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<v Speaker 2>they used some of this at the direction of the

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<v Speaker 2>various popes over the years because they would take in

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<v Speaker 2>and build Christian churches and cathedrals with this. So because

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<v Speaker 2>so much of the Colisseum have been used to build churches,

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<v Speaker 2>and because so many Christians have been killed there, the

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<v Speaker 2>coliseum itself became kind of a Catholic holy place and

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<v Speaker 2>became an official holy place in seventeen forty nine when

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<v Speaker 2>Pope Benedict the fourteenth blessed it. He said, this is

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<v Speaker 2>now a Christian holy site, and that protected it from

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<v Speaker 2>any more pillaging or destruction and actually led to some

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<v Speaker 2>early restoration projects.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they started to get to work on it

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<v Speaker 1>to protect it a little more. After the unification of

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<v Speaker 1>Italy in eighteen seventy it became you know, a legit

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<v Speaker 1>national monument. They you know, of course, Mussolini comes along

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<v Speaker 1>and fully uncovers the how'd you pronounce that hypogeum?

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<v Speaker 2>That's where I'm going.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, further rebuilt it, further stabilized it,

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<v Speaker 1>brought out some of the you know, restored some of

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<v Speaker 1>the history for sure, and then you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't until like the late twentieth century that it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, modern restoration, like really nice techniques came along

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that it was not only safe for tourists,

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<v Speaker 1>but like a robust place to you know, keep making

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<v Speaker 1>money off of or not keep But I guess, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for some of the first times making money.

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<v Speaker 2>Off Yes, some people consider it the greatest tourist traction

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<v Speaker 2>of Rome. Apparently it brings in six million visitors a year,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think there were six million people there when you,

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<v Speaker 2>me and I went.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's why I didn't go in.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's very neat. Though we didn't make it down

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<v Speaker 2>to the Hypogium. I don't know if it was open

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<v Speaker 2>yet for visitors. Yeah, no, twenty twenty one. No, we

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<v Speaker 2>definitely weren't able to. I would like to go back

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<v Speaker 2>and go down there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I got to pay to go in this time.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll cover your admission. How about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, since Chuck thanked me everybody, that means it's time

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<v Speaker 2>for listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a good one. This is about skydiving. It's like, hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>got a good story. I took my boyfriend now husband

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<v Speaker 1>and skydiving for his thirty second birthday about ten years

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<v Speaker 1>ago in New England and had gone once before, so

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<v Speaker 1>the nerves were gone. But I was just full of

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<v Speaker 1>pure excitement and adrenaline. I was in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>having my front tooth replaced. Do you see where this

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<v Speaker 1>is going yet? No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, yet?

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<v Speaker 1>And I had a flipper retainer. Do you see where

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<v Speaker 1>this is going yet?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No yet?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Chuck, I think you went through this experience. Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember the flipper retainer. I asked the staff if

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<v Speaker 1>I should remove it, but they said, no, it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>snug in there. You'll be fine. I was feeling vain

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<v Speaker 1>and didn't want my toothless face in the video. And

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<v Speaker 1>guess what happened during the free fall. I was a

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<v Speaker 1>little frustrated by needing to interact and entertain to the camera,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really wanted to just enjoy the moment, so

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<v Speaker 1>half jokingly, I blew a kiss and flipped a bird

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<v Speaker 1>at the cameraman. As instant karma would have it, my

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<v Speaker 1>faith tooth flew out. Had panicked and motioned to the

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<v Speaker 1>gap in my mouth to the cameraman, and he just

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<v Speaker 1>gave the thumbs up. All good, And I remember thinking, no,

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<v Speaker 1>not all good. This just got so much more expensive

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<v Speaker 1>and I have no tooth. And you can even see

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<v Speaker 1>me sort of looking around for it in midfall.

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<v Speaker 2>Which I did not see that coming.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it would be magically floating next to me

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<v Speaker 1>because I plumbled to the earth. I just say plummeled.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's pummeled and plummeted at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a great new word. Jesus made.

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<v Speaker 1>Not my smartest moment, but desperation took over. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is from Aaron Bogan, and Aaron sent the video which

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<v Speaker 1>is on YouTube, and it's very funny.

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<v Speaker 2>To watch airs.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't see the tooth fly out, but you see

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<v Speaker 1>immediately Aaron grab her mouth and motion around and sort

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<v Speaker 1>of looking around, and it's just very funny. So let

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<v Speaker 1>me see if I can even find how you would skydive.

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<v Speaker 1>New England presents colon Aaron's skydive from nine years ago

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<v Speaker 1>and it's got five hundred and seventy three views, two

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<v Speaker 1>of which were mine, So maybe we could make Aeron

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<v Speaker 1>a little more famous.

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<v Speaker 2>Take care, thanks a lot, Aaron. That was a indeed

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck like Chuck said a good email. Thank you for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry that happened, but at least you got a great

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<v Speaker 2>story out of it. And if you want to be

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<v Speaker 2>like Aaron and tell us one of your great stories,

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