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Speaker 1: with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on your home of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the Drive. I'm Dale Loally here with Matt Williamson and Matt.

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Speaker 1: As we mentioned, we talked a lot about In the

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Speaker 1: first segment, Kevin Colbert spoke for the first time. It's

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Speaker 1: we had to talk to Kevin Colbert since the Sea

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Speaker 1: season ended. And he said, you know, he called, he called,

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Speaker 1: You know, we didn't win the super Bowl. That's not

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Speaker 1: good enough. There's just people out there, um, and the

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Speaker 1: But well, the Steelers, all they're worried about is not

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Speaker 1: having losing seasons. That's not it at all. No, it

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Speaker 1: maybe more, probably more so because this is there, this

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