WEBVTT - Laughter is the Best...Investigation? 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:17.120 Hello, Social Sleuths, Welcome back to a real time crime. 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:19.919 I'm your host, Leo Lamar, and today we'll be discussing 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:24.079 the Laurence smith Fields ruling, Brian Laundry's confession, tam La Harsford, 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:26.759 a woman threatening to bring guns to school if a 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:30.800 child has to wear a mask, and more. Okay, you guys, 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:32.519 I just want to let you know Teddy is still 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:35.760 on vacation. We are very jealous, aren't we. Dmitri must 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:39.440 must be nice. I think she hasn't recovered from the 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:43.639 Fannie Pack mishap, so she's looking for it. We've upgraded 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:49.720 sometimes Dmitri to just regular Dimitri, almost regular Dmitri. But 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:51.720 lucky for us, we have a guest host today who's 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:53.880 a dear friend of mine, and she's absolutely hilarious as 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.040 a sketch performer, actress, stand up comedian. You may know 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.040 her from a very long list of credits, and I'm 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:00.720 just still learning how to read so I can name 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:02.640 a few of them. How I Met Your Mother, Jimmy 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.920 Kimmel Live the comedy Get Down. She's featured for Martin Lawrence. 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:08.200 She's toured with Cat Williams. She's the winner of the 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:11.040 she Devil Festival in the American Black Film Festival Comedy 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:14.760 Wings competition, which was sponsored by HBO, and she's performed 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:20.920 at jfl's New Faces. It's Technique Springs. What's up everybody 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:26.759 out there? Hey Leah, Hey to Matre Technique. First of all, 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:28.520 let me just say, I think you're the only person 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:30.440 to ever come on this podcast and wear a color, 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.960 so thank you so much. Um, we always wear this 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:38.080 black or white. It's very bleak. I think that's a 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:40.880 comedian thing too, because we love to wear all black. 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.880 I love to look like I can talk at night 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:46.240 and the and just show up at the party and 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:50.720 also look like I work at a place. I mean, 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.120 I will say that. When I came onto the pod 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:54.800 this morning, the first thing I said is no one 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:56.680 commented on the fact that I'm not wearing a black 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:00.520 turtle neck and you we I'm wearing a turtle night. 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:02.760 But also you said it in the first like three seconds, 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.080 like the thing the camera popped on and she goes, 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:09.840 I can't believe no one said anything. Who well, I 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:12.000 just need as much attention as possible, you know that. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:14.280 I think the first crime we can address today, by 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:16.160 the way, is how I drew my eyebrows on, but 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.040 we can get to that later. You know. It's like 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.200 they say, they should be sisters, not twins, but they 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:23.880 shouldn't be like two different species. I don't know what 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:27.840 I've done here anyway, Technique, Hello, thank you for coming 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:31.000 on today. Um, so just give us We'll give us 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.040 us a little backstory about how we met. Did we 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:38.919 Did we meet during the pandemic? Yeah? We pandemic meters. 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:43.919 Oh man, this might be one of the only relationships 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:48.160 that still lasted throughout the pandemic. Yes, because we didn't 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:51.400 actually you know, date. Uh yeah, of course that lasted. 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.880 You could just last on regular friendships or pandemic just 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.639 dating was just horrible. Yeah. So this is what it's 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:01.680 like to meet someone and not hook up with them. 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:08.000 How dare you to get I'm hurt. I'm hurt, Um officer, 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.880 please arrest this man. Okay. So, yeah, we met during 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:14.800 the pandemic. Uh, Tephany, you dazzled me with your comedic 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:22.280 abilities immediately. You're hilarious. Okay. Also questions for you, do 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.600 you have any true crime cases that you love or 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:27.480 anything that you think is booming right now that you're 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:33.280 super interested in I look. I love the show snapped. Um, 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.920 just in case I've ever put in this situation where 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.320 I have to kill somebody, I want to see all 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:41.320 the things that people are doing wrong, so I make 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:43.480 sure that I don't do the wrong thing, you know 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.680 what I mean. So it's a way of getting in 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:49.240 the mind of crime, just in case you ever have 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:53.960 to break it out, you know what I mean. Yeah, 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:57.400 this is my explanation as well. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just like, 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.520 I need to know exactly how I might be killed 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:04.280 so that I could be prepared for every situation. Well. Yeah, 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.160 and I've already proposed that it's best that if women 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.760 killed naked, because one of the major rules is you 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.880 should never kill somebody when they have their back turn 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.680 to you. They always have to be forcing facing you. 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:20.919 So in order to continue lee get that those eyes 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.839 on you, it's best to be naked and it killed 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:25.960 because people just can't think about it. You can't keep 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:30.680 your eyes off someone that's new. Okay, So I need 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:34.560 to stop sleeping in pajamas, is what you're saying. All right, Okay, 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.479 good one, Thank you for the hot tip. Love that. Okay. Also, 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:42.160 defniqu you have a huge presence on TikTok. And we 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.599 do see a lot of true crime on TikTok as well, 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:49.680 which is wild and interesting. What do you love about TikTok? 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:51.720 What was your first video? Tell us a little more 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:57.480 about your TikTok experience. My first TikTok was just basically 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.960 just taking all my other content that was on other 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.560 platforms and just putting it on there and just building 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:05.880 a new audience from it. But one thing I do 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:10.240 love about TikTok is a portion of it has become 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.600 about true crime. You have people that are really cracking 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.560 the cases, and if they're not cracking the cases, they're 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:20.720 giving national exposure to things that we would have overlooked, 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:24.480 which is one of the cases we're talking about today. Yes, 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:27.960 and we first noticed it during the Gabby Petito Brian 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.159 laundry case, which we'll be talking about later. But I 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:34.000 think that sort of exploded the true crime genre on TikTok, 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:38.159 which is pretty pretty great. We're very excited about it, Okay. Also, 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.279 I just want to say TikTok is wild. I had 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:44.400 four hundred followers on TikTok last week, not to brag, 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:48.440 and then I posted a crowd work video and now 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:52.120 I have thirty six thousand followers, and I know, I know, 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.320 case like you know anything to write home about. But 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.840 still I was like, Okay, I've been working ten years 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.120 to grow my Instagram. I just hit fort k and 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.440 I'm about to surpass it in one week of being 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:07.440 on TikTok. Same for me because the TikTok I'm at 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.920 two million verses. Instagraere I'm five hundred and fifty thousands, 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:17.280 So you can't here is so hard because you know 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:19.640 what you think about it, It's like, that's a lot 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:21.880 of followers. But then he may have somebody looking at 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:25.120 your following life. Thirty six thousand, that's a lot of followers. 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.640 So it just depends on the tier and who's looking 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.119 up to you. Yeah, yeah, I guess it's all about 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:36.520 perspective anyway. Um, all right, so let's what's kind into 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:40.200 some hot topics for to day. And this is a 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:49.839 TikTok murder, well, a murderer allegedly, oh boy, alleged, this 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.560 is what this is what the podcast should be called. Allegedly. 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:55.680 I mean it's the only word I forget to say 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:59.240 all the time. Anyway, So allegedly a murderer who was 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:03.000 also a TikTok star. So we have heard about this 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.440 case a while ago from Jin Kidd. If you want 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.599 to give him a look up on TikTok, it's j 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:13.760 I N N k I D and his TikTok was 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:20.080 already populated with sketches of him as Scarface and several 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:28.240 other bad boys. Yes, precisely. Okay, So he's been accused 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:34.520 of murdering his wife and also another man. Ali bou 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:38.400 Laban had a number of outbursts during the continuation of 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:42.400 his preliminary hearing. He interrupted San Diego Police Detective Christopher 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.640 Leary's testimony as he as his attorney question him regarding 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:50.440 the relationship between him and his wife and Raymond Barron, 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:52.520 who was the other man he was also fatally shot. 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.200 So detectives say that the video showed him going to 0:07:56.280 --> 0:08:00.240 his estranged wife's apartment. Yes, she wanted a divorce, followed 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.920 by the round of six gunshots. So it was a 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:06.120 revealing court that they actually did have a very rocky 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:09.040 marriage prior to the shooting, and she wanted to leave 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:12.400 a k at the divorce, and days before the shooting, 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:16.000 he actually moved out of their apartment and just before 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:20.040 the detective finished his testimony, this guy has another outburst, 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.080 prompting the judge to call for a break, and he's 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:25.120 been escorted out of the courtroom. Now, I haven't been 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.280 on trial before, but that's what you're supposed to do, right, 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.480 have an outburst and cut off the judge and kind 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.320 of make it like show that you're angry. Right, that's 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.439 what you're supposed to do if you're trying to get 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:40.960 a a misfit trial and basically claim insanity for shooting 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:45.800 two people close range, uh, close range in the face. 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.200 So yeah, if you want to try to claim that, 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:52.520 absolutely you should just start. Ah, you should just be 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:56.320 yelling out crazy stuff doing a trial. Okay, So what's 0:08:56.320 --> 0:09:02.720 my excuse when I do that in my bedroom? Basically, 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.679 you want to kill to sex? You know me? Stop it. 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.719 I'm over it. I think I think this is why 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.960 I'm single, but I'm not sure it. Also, maybe white 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.160 guys keep coming back for sex. They're just like, she's 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:25.000 so crazy, that's it. End of sentence. Um. Yeah, At 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:28.040 the end of the preliminary hearing, the judge determines that 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:32.800 he will stand trial on murder charges. Okay, so I 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:37.120 think all the evidence is pointing to perhaps that there 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:42.679 may be homicide involved allegedly. Really try and tiptoe around 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:46.040 this one. But I think if you're having outbursts um 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:51.280 while standing trial not a good look. I think still 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.439 is because the type of outbursts that he had. He said, 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.640 you think I wanted this. My whole life is ruled 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.480 because you allegedly shot two people in the face. You're wrong, 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:05.120 y'are old like. So it's like a part of narcissism. 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:09.280 It's like, are you serious? Like you you potentially committed 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:13.839 these crimes and they were premeditating. I actually have a 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:23.240 spyware set up in your house the prey. Is it 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:27.920 weird that I'm attracted to this guy? He was handsome though, 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.920 and then I did like his impersonations. I was like, okay, 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:33.240 you could break all of that. Yeah, and I've always 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:37.000 wanted to have a conjugal visit. Could it be with 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.040 someone that stole something from a store? So does it 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:42.280 have to be someone who was allegedly committed a double hums? 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.240 Wait wait, wait, Daphne, can we go back to the 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:50.920 fact that you installed spyware and I never did it? 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.439 This guy did it. I've stopped. I just used my 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:57.000 regular body as a spywere Um, I'm not that technical 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:59.720 savvy where I would just like have an I pass 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.839 that up to me. That's investing too much when I 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:06.040 can just invest myself in my time and you need 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.720 nothing but gas money. What did you do? How did 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:13.000 you find people looking for? Yeah? I found what I 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.400 was looking for. I remember one time. The worst I've 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:19.000 ever been is hiding in bushes and looking through windows, 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:22.559 and I know it filled me enough too. If I 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:26.679 had access to a weapon, I probably would have used it, 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:31.559 but thank god I didn't have that accessibility. That's why 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:36.880 people shouldn't be allowed to buy weapons. And so we 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:41.199 were in the bush. How close were wed to the house? Um? 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.280 I paid on myself a little bit because I started 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:45.800 to see stuff and I really had to go to 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.679 the bathroom, but I couldn't stop looking. So I was 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:52.280 pretty close. I will say about ten ft because you 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:55.160 don't want to get too close and then you're busted 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.480 and then rumors are starting that you're crazy. You want 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:00.960 people to find out you're crazy on the your their 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.760 own and not from here saying yeah, because from ten 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:05.280 feet away you can just be like, oh my gosh, 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:06.839 I was just being in the bushes. I didn't even 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.280 realize that he was in there having sex. Yeah, being 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.400 near his house is just called marking your territory. Absolutely 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:19.079 and okay. And this only happened one time. Um, I 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:24.240 have no recollection of the other times. UM My attorney 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:26.920 told me not to speak on it. Uh. I just 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.920 think we should move forward. You know what's so interesting. 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.199 I have thought so many times about doing a drive by, 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.560 you know, when you just know that something's going on, Yeah, 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:40.079 you want to just catch them. And then I just 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:42.280 never did it, and I really regret not doing it, 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.360 But there's still time for me. I stopped doing it 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:48.360 because l A traffic was really bad. Yeah, you know, 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:50.640 it's not worth an hour and a half of time 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:53.640 and to be seen back just thinking about all the 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:57.560 stuff that pished you off and another car is stand 0:12:57.640 --> 0:12:59.760 still stopped in front of you. So it was just 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.040 like the time traveled for me. It's awkward. It's awkward 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:06.120 leaning out the window and yelling I missed the four 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.480 play let's go. I think it's time for us to 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:12.240 move on to our next case. And we had talked 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:18.040 about this case last week and I have actually confused 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:19.880 about what I'm about to read you, so I'm just 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:24.000 gonna follow up on this case right now. So Lawrence 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.600 smith Fields, who we spoke about last week, she died 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:31.600 after her bumble date, and they have now ruled her 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:38.319 death accidental, which allegedly no one believes. Okay, So her 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:43.119 relatives believe that she did not die from an accidental 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:48.439 overdose and that this demands a more exhaustive investigation of 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:53.360 what happened. And the family's lawyer says, this looks a 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:58.120 lot like manslaughter, it looks like murder, and they need 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.160 to start acting a little faster on this. And they 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:04.480 said that she died of acute intoxication due to the 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:08.720 combined effects of fetanel, which I believe that we predicted 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:17.520 last episode, fetanol, permethazine, hydroxine, and alcohol. So her death 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:21.200 was ruled an accident. And I think that this is 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:25.000 kind of an astonishing ruling for a lot of people 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.240 because it doesn't at all seem like that, and it 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:32.440 doesn't seem like they did exhaustive research at all. In fact, 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:36.880 I'm not sure if they ever even interviewed Matthew la Fountain, 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.800 who was her bumble date and the last person to 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:44.960 see her alive, and the evidence looked a lot different 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:52.320 from the story that he was telling officers. So I mean, 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:54.680 is that where you start the last person to see 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.080 her alive? Is that where you start with it with 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:00.800 the investigation? Well do you do you guys think foul play? 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:06.840 Is that hand here? Absolutely? Uh? And looking at Matthew Lafartage, 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:11.040 I think that he is the prime suspect. Right. He 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:13.600 has the attractiveness because when I looked at his first 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:15.200 look at his photo, I was like, oh, he kind 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.240 of cute. I was like, no, bitch, swipe left, you 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.360 know what I mean, don't get caught into his looks. 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:23.800 And do you look at Dmitri and see something similar? Damn, 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:27.480 Now that you say it, Oh my god, I though, 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:31.880 so I'm I'm over the hump from that perfect Okay, Okay, 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.240 you paged out, you missed your prod okay. And also 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:40.400 another serial killer trade is superficial charm. And if he 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:45.560 was able to report and call the police and the 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.080 police are like, oh, this guy's he's a really nice guy. 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.240 This guy has superficial charm. And also I will say this, 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.920 lady's when you're on these dated websites, never trust a 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.520 man who has a hiking photos, he know where to 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:01.920 hide the body. This is exactly what happened when the 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:05.960 police stopped Gabby Petito and Brian Laundry. They literally fist 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:09.080 bump him like he seems like a good guy, no 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:15.520 superficial charm. Yes, hikers out outdoorsy men and sorry Dmitri, 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.040 but bald with a beard is it's never the right look. 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:26.520 And ya also intelligent. I'm not intelligent, and I don't hike. 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:30.480 I just lost my hair. That's not a crime. Leo, 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.960 you lost it? Did you check the loss in pounds? 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:39.560 It's with Teddy's Fannie back. It's gone. It ain't coming back. Um. Yeah, 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:45.240 but I think it's pretty clear that there's foul play allegedly. 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:47.960 But the question is is it foul play or were 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.560 they like partying or did he slip or something like? 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:52.680 Did he did he intend to kill her? Type of 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:55.680 foul play or was he just drugging her? Or what 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.480 do you think happened there? But still drugging somebody is 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:04.000 still consider foul play. Here's the thing, right, um. Another 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.879 thing that they was mentioned. He said he claimed that 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:11.720 they were drinking tequila and that her brother showed up 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.840 and she went outside and got a package from the 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:19.280 brother and went in the bathroom for ten to fifteen minutes. 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:21.840 At me, as a black woman, if I went to 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:25.240 go get some cocaine that might have been laced with 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.800 betting off from my family member, I would feel comfortable 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:30.760 doing it in front of a white person. I wouldn't 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:32.639 feel comfortable in front of a black man, but I 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:34.720 would feel comfortable in front of a white man. So 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.560 that gives me to believe that it was found boy, 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:39.760 because I'm like, why would you not be comfortable in 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:45.359 front of guy with a hiking photo. I also think 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:50.040 it's rude. She didn't share, you know, very very well. 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.159 They also said, right, she went in, she went in 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:53.840 the bathroom, and then at some point he said they 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.320 went from tequila to more tequila, but with mixers. Right. 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:01.320 And he also said she went to the bathroom and vomited. Right, 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:03.399 Is it possible he's he slipped something? Why? I mean, 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:07.760 why do you She passed out and he picked her up, 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.160 took her to the bed, and fell asleep next to her. 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.800 He woke up, she had a bloody nose and wasn't breathing. 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:18.560 This is not adding up, like and when the family 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:22.119 went to the apartment. They saw blood in the middle 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:25.879 of the bed, spreading out to the right. And if 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.680 you're on the bed, why would she be in the 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:33.280 middle where the blood is. Oh, and that makes that 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:37.320 that makes perfect sense for foul play. It does. Also 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:40.920 the other thing is it's almost feels odd that he 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.000 would bring up the detail and then she got something 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.119 from her brother and then went to the bathroom and 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.080 she was in there and then came back out. And 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:53.880 what it's like he created an alibi for himself. Absolutely, 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.320 And guess why he had plenty of time to do it, 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.680 because they didn't even really pay attention to this case 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.440 and sol six weeks later. And let me just say this, 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:06.320 ten the fifteen minutes in alcohol time, Why was you 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.080 able to measure time so well? Because when I drank, 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:11.520 I don't know what time it is ten or fifteen minutes. 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:13.399 I wouldn't be like she was in there two hours. 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:19.960 I would have known down to a minute. That's suspicious. Also, 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:24.639 let's be honest, if she was having cocaine laced with 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:26.800 fetan al and she went into the bathroom, did it 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:31.920 and came out, she would have probably passed away much faster. 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.160 In the bathroom, because if if your stuff is laced 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.760 with fetan al and you get killed from the fat 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:41.520 and al, you usually usually die where you stand. Yeah, 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:44.159 you're you're I mean she would have made it out 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:48.000 the bathroom. No, exactly, So that's what leads me to 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:53.480 believe it that there might be some foul play. Absolutely, 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:55.639 and he final thoughts before we move on to our 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:58.679 next case for today. I just feel like they need 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.880 to take his account a bumble because if he still 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:08.720 getting swiped on. Yeah, all right, you guys, we're gonna 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.160 take a quick break before we head into the next case. 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:14.280 We'll be r B. Get a cup of coffee, have 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:16.679 a glass of wine, you'll need it for this next one. 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:33.159 And welcome back to Real Time Crime, my friends and 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:38.520 social sluits. Also, if you're enjoying our new episodes, make 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:40.520 sure to let us know on social media. We're on 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.920 Instagram at Real Time Crime Pod. I'm Leo Lamar. You 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:47.040 know Dmitri Poppus. We've got Dafnique Springs here. We'll talk 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.280 about this a little later and of course, our dear 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:53.080 Teddy Mellencamp. Let us know your thoughts and if you 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:56.320 have any ideas about cases that you've loved or anything 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:59.680 that you've heard so far that you also have some 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:02.040 thoughts on. We want to hear him. D m S 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:06.199 will respond, just you know, don't be a weirdo. Okay, 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:10.880 this next case. Virginia woman arrested after gun threat over 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:17.760 school mask mandate. Okay. Virginia police say they arrested a 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.080 woman on Friday who threatened to bring loaded guns to 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:22.880 her children's school in post and protest of a mask 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:26.520 mandate during a school board meeting, prompting school officials to 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:31.160 increase security. Are we sure this is an Orange County? Okay? 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:38.240 I just like okay? The parent, Amelia Reffner King, was 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:40.880 charged with making a verbal threat while on school property 0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:45.239 and released by a job A job am I okay? Okay? Um? 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:49.200 Can I flee? Released by a judge on a five 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:53.680 thousand dollar bond. The Larrey Police Department said, no mask 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:57.080 mandates my child. My children will not come to school 0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:59.919 Monday with the mask on. All right, that's not happen, 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:03.880 King told the school board during a comment period on Thursday. 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:07.159 And I will bring every single gun loaded and ready, 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:09.720 she said, before being cut off because she had passed 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:13.679 the three minute speaking limit. I didn't understand why they 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:17.280 cut her off. It's like let her continuously incriminate herself. 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:19.239 That's why I was so easy for her to come 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:21.760 up with a lie and claim that's not what she 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:24.200 meant because they cut her off. And you know what, 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:27.120 I know she had guns and she was talking about real, 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:31.560 actual metal guns with ammo is because she was so calm. 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:33.760 People who will shoot you, they never be like I 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:37.480 kill you. That's people that ain't gonna do. Anybody to say, hey, 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:41.560 I'm bringing my guns and i'll see you Monday. Hey Monday, 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:47.480 you better disappear. But technique, imagine someone being on stage 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:50.600 at the comedy store, the laugh factor, the improv and 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:53.080 they're actually telling a joke about how they murdered someone. 0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:55.560 They get the light and like, well, I guess you 0:22:55.680 --> 0:23:01.320 will have to wait until we never get to hear it. Yeah, 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:03.040 if you're up next year, Like that's okay, I'll take 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:05.479 time out of mind let them finish. Okay, we were 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:09.840 just about to get the confession. Come on, oh boy, okay, 0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:11.880 And as she turned to leave, she told the board 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:14.880 I'll see all Monday. She then emailed the school Word 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:19.359 to say she didn't actually mean to threaten by her. Um, 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:22.560 I in no way meant to imply all guns loaded 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:25.720 as an actual firearms. Did you just mean these guns 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:29.479 metaphorical guns? Guys? Come on, I pointed to my non 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:32.480 existent muscles for anyone who can't see this, but rather 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:35.320 all resources I can muster to make sure that my 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:39.200 children get to attend school without masks. My sincere apologies 0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:44.600 for my bich poor choice and words. The police department 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:49.800 said she's cooperating. Um, I'm there. Her husband was like, 0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:52.000 why didn't you do that? Honey? She was like, what 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:55.960 they're trying to make to wear masks? Now, I would 0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:59.640 say I agree with her parents skills, like because I'm 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:03.520 that because parents in the future where I'll show up 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:05.320 to the school and be like yeah, and I'll come 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:08.480 back Monday with my goods loaded. But I'll do it 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:10.960 if you're bullying my child, but I'm not gonna do 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:14.080 it over a mask. But to each his own. You 0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:17.960 can't tell somebody what's important to them. No, I think 0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:21.840 kill nobody. She was just basically saying, I'm gonna let 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:26.960 y'all note that I stay ready. So I just gotta 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:31.080 know that school shootings are a sensitive topic. So absolutely wrong. 0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:33.840 Poor choice of words is not it's not even doing 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:37.120 what she said justice. I mean that's insane. Yeah, she's 0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:39.879 piled it out pretty clearly. I feel like if she 0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:42.880 goes to jail, she'll probably be like a mob boss 0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:46.280 in there, because she's already like on some olds are 0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:49.040 type of you know the wife on os Are. She's 0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:52.800 already Marty Birds like wife Right to Die. She's about 0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:56.920 that life. Yeah, I'm surprised that she's not passing out 0:24:57.040 --> 0:25:00.760 drugs to kids and really just starting them young. She 0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:03.280 seems like the parties at her house and she's like, hey, 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:06.480 you've never had a beer before. You're a whip Damn 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:09.040 I'm all a teen. Yeah, she's like, I'm not a 0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:12.040 regular mom, I'm a cool mom. Hold my gun. It's 0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:15.120 like what um. This reminds me of the Christa Stephano 0:25:15.240 --> 0:25:18.120 nine eleven joke. Have you ever heard it? No? Oh? 0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:22.960 Nothing makes me laugh harder. If you're listening to this episode, 0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:26.320 just you can hit pause, but don't but wait till 0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:29.159 the end of the episode, but google Christa steph No. 0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:32.920 Nine eleven joke. It's at the Comedy Seller and he 0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:37.000 talks about how he gets expelled from school, and his 0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:40.880 dad was a straight up mafia boss and walks into 0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:47.280 the principles of and basically just threatens the principle so 0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:50.280 that he doesn't get expelled from school. He gets unexpelled 0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:53.760 from school. And I'm like, you know, I kind of 0:25:53.800 --> 0:25:57.080 wish I had a parent like that, just someone who 0:25:57.160 --> 0:26:01.240 really had my back. You know, some time threats for 0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:06.480 me just no one. No one threatened people for me. 0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:10.119 So I don't really feel like I was loved. I 0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:11.720 feel like you just didn't get in trouble. So what 0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.600 was the threaten? That's correct, Like Liam might have been 0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:21.920 a bully, The threats came from inside that person. You 0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:25.760 know what's so funny for some out call the cops. 0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:28.160 You like, you know what if you can call Lob, 0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:32.440 I can't even stand up for you. Yeah, I was. 0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:35.520 I was the Karen in my own household. Uh no, 0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:37.560 you know, I was actually a really good kid. I 0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:40.920 was very afraid of my parents, and so I never 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:44.440 wanted to do anything wrong. And now I just feel 0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:46.359 like that's why I'm so rebellious as an adult. I 0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:48.560 wish I had gotten it out in my teens. I 0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:51.040 wish I'd gone to jail as a kid just for 0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:52.800 one night, so I could have just been like a 0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:57.280 normal adult. I don't never wish to go to jail. 0:26:57.320 --> 0:27:05.320 You know who says I wish I'd going to jail 0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:07.359 as a kid, someone that's never been to jail. Okay, 0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:09.000 because I've been and I don't want to go back. 0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:12.560 I did to jail, and the thing that bothered me. 0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:15.879 I went to County jail. I did twelve hours hard time. 0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:18.920 And the thing that bothered me the mooast about there 0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:21.680 is that when they searching your food, they gave you 0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:25.119 a bologney sandwich, and they gave you cookies, and they 0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:27.760 gave you mashed potatoes, which is not a complete meal, 0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:32.439 but they will put all this on a wet food trade. 0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:36.840 So imagine the bread absorbing the water, the cookies absorbing 0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:39.960 the water, and the mashed potatoes rejecting the water. It 0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:42.200 was just a recipe for disaster. It was enough for 0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:44.120 me to never want to go back. If the food 0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:46.000 was good, I could go back to jail because I 0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:49.520 feel like I'll get a lot of righting done. Okay, 0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:51.359 So just to be clear, what's at the RECIPI in 0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:54.560 twelve hours hard time, in twelve hours soft time, um, 0:27:54.680 --> 0:28:00.639 twelve hours, twelve hours, hard, hard times. I stayed up 0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:03.879 all night like this, but nobody better touch me. And 0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:05.760 people was like, hey, we only in here for a 0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:08.320 day two. I'm like yeah, but I gotta watch my back. 0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:12.120 Never like, uh, no one cares. Yeah, They're like, we're 0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:15.600 just in the drunk tank. Could you come down? Pretty much? Pretty? 0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:19.359 But I got in a fight with my boyfriend. It 0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:22.000 was people. It wasn't me. I was actually disturbing the piece. 0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:25.879 But somebody else had gotten in a fight with their boyfriend. Uh, 0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:29.560 somebody did wrote some bad check, so it wasn't it 0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:33.439 was none. And there we ten feet outside our ex 0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:36.520 boyfriend's house when we got caught by the police. No, 0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:41.600 this is me, uh talking crap to a police officer, 0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:43.760 and she showed me that she was a police officer. 0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:46.840 She really had no real grounds to arrest me because 0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:50.000 I just basically was heckling a police officer and she 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:54.680 was like, oh you want to hecklely. She was like, 0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:57.280 do you like bologna sandwiches, cookies and mashed potatoes because 0:28:57.280 --> 0:28:59.720 we can go and you're like, let's do it. Wow, 0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:05.760 No greens, I noticed and that meal hump, No, that's 0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:09.720 why everybody in jail got a fat ass? Damn Well, 0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:11.920 don't let the secret out. There gonna be a lot 0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:15.280 of women suddenly lining up to get in. So instead 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:18.320 of going to Dominican republica yeah, instead of instead of 0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:20.360 getting as implants, they're like, I heard you get a 0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:24.960 really fat assim jail just a line of white women. Okay, 0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:31.040 so cats out of the back. Wait, So Dechnique, why 0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:36.160 did you go to jail? Like did you no? No? 0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:39.560 Like did she like randomly did you start shipped on 0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:43.400 the street or did you pull you over? No? Starting something? Walking? 0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:46.720 I was walking. I gotta rested walking. So basically, it's 0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:50.400 a big, real street in Miffis, Tennessee. And it was 0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:52.360 this black guy out there, and I thought I was 0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:55.120 gonna be an advocate for him. He had a big 0:29:55.360 --> 0:30:00.120 snake and it was snake. No, it was it was 0:30:00.560 --> 0:30:04.640 an actual real reps out a snake, right, And I 0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:07.400 mean that would be cool that there was a cold like, no, 0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:11.320 let him have this preps out out. No, But he 0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:14.440 had the snake and people were taking pictures with the snake, 0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:17.040 and the police officer came up and she was talking 0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:19.320 to him very rude, especially for him. To be a 0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:23.040 black entrepreneur and him out there having business and a 0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:25.960 business savviness. I just felt like a caring and I 0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:28.360 should stand up for this man. And I was like, 0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:30.400 she was like, get that ship off the street, and 0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:32.239 I was like, you don't need to talk to him 0:30:32.320 --> 0:30:34.480 like that. And next thing I know, she grabbed my 0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:36.320 wrist like this. She said, oh, you want to be 0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:41.200 another people's business and I was like, And she made 0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:43.880 me sit in the cops squad car so that I 0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:45.800 went to jail. Because see, if she would have just 0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:48.360 took me immediately, I wouldn't have went to jail, but 0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:51.960 because um she uh, she made me sit in the 0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:55.320 car until after midnight, I couldn't get out until later 0:30:55.440 --> 0:31:04.000 that day, so I did twelve hours. Yeah, I mean, 0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:06.040 are you really a comedian if you've never been arrested? 0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:10.600 You know? Okay, so I'm not a comedian yet, is 0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:12.600 what I'm trying to say. So everyone better watch out 0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:17.440 because I'm on one all right. Time for us to 0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:21.880 move on to the next case. And this obviously hits 0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:24.200 very close to home because this is how we started 0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:29.960 the podcast. Our very first episode ever was based off 0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.040 of this case. And this is how the entire podcast 0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:37.200 came to Fruition was through the Brian Laundry Gabby Potito case, 0:31:37.360 --> 0:31:41.400 and we finally have a resolution thanks to forensic work 0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:45.040 as sleuths continued to push for evidence to be released. 0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:48.320 And now we know what was in the mysterious notebook 0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:51.000 that Brian Laundry had which was submerged in water in 0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:54.960 the swamp in the depths of Florida for weeks. And 0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:59.800 they did find a handwritten confession in the notebook, and 0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:04.280 and he is the killer of Gabby Petito. So the 0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:07.960 FBI issued a statement last week confirming that he admitted 0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:12.120 to killing his girlfriend in his suicide note before fatally 0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:18.000 shooting himself in the head. Who okay, Um, you know, 0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:21.440 this case obviously rattled a lot of people for a 0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:27.840 variety of reasons, and this was very needed and necessary 0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:31.720 to have a resolution because for so long we just 0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:36.160 had alleged thoughts that he was the murderer. Even though 0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:40.959 he committed suicide, he was probably the last person with her, 0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:43.880 We didn't really know what was going on. And so 0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:47.480 I'm glad we have closure on this case. And when 0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:50.400 the evidence containing Brian's phone, gun, and no book were found, 0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:54.480 it seemed inevitable that they would finally have answers in 0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:59.400 the case, said the detective. And they found cell phones, 0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:04.880 laptop ops. They're all amazing investigative tools because obviously people 0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:09.760 use them for communication. And it was a telltale sign 0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:13.920 that he was pretending that she was still alive and 0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:16.920 giving the impression to people that you know, she was 0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:20.360 still on Instagram and she was still communicating with family 0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:24.959 that way. So everything that we actually thought was right, 0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:28.479 and it sometimes it doesn't feel good to be right, 0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:31.240 and this is probably the only time that it doesn't 0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:34.480 feel good to be right. Um, do you think that 0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:37.000 this gives us true closure on this case? And what 0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:41.040 do you think happens next? I think what happens next 0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:45.560 is that it does give us closure because when especially 0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:50.200 when something makes such widespread media, it's like you get 0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:54.600 invested into the story and being invested in the store, 0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:58.720 you want to see that closure and also moving forward 0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:02.880 as someone who would or would not potentially be a 0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:08.600 future criminal. I would never write on paper tell me 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:12.839 you watch snapped without telling me you watch snapped. Don't 0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:16.520 write in a notebook. I mean, I'll say I wanted 0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:18.480 to close this. This was my problem. We found out 0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:20.560 he was dead because I wanted closure from him, So 0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:23.120 I was I was irritated by that because I didn't 0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:26.520 like that he took the easy way out, and this 0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:30.919 is this is closure. This isn't closure for a TV 0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:33.759 generation who watched these true crime things and you get 0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:36.600 to know every detail of what happened and what unrivaled. 0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:39.440 So in that respect, no, we we don't have that, 0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:43.040 but we do have, like you said, our suspicions confirmed 0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:47.440 that he did do it um or didn't do It's 0:34:47.480 --> 0:34:50.959 a it's crazy too without actually having the actual person 0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:53.640 alive to tell the story and actually admit to it. 0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:57.279 Then you wonder if there's some weird conspiracy that we'll 0:34:57.320 --> 0:35:00.160 find out ten years later that somebody said him up 0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:03.879 to commit suicide and make that a store. You see 0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:06.160 what I'm saying. So it's just really like you said, 0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:08.120 it's the easy way out and doesn't give us school 0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:10.840 closure because what if it was somebody to actually murdered 0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:13.640 both of them. I know that's not it, but you 0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:19.320 never know. Well that's one theory. The other theory, conspiracy theory, 0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:25.040 would be what if he's not dead, started that sticking 0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:31.680 to it, found his body or Canada? Well, they found 0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:35.800 a skull bones consistent remains consistent with the DNA of 0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:40.080 Brian laundry. Although they never really told us what they found. 0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:43.200 They I think they said like partial skull, partial, this 0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:48.520 partial that teeth. We weren't really sure. And when when 0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:52.279 people are loose with details, it I feel like there's 0:35:52.280 --> 0:35:56.440 always a reason why. You know, it's because it feels 0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:58.720 like you're hiding something or there's some sort of secret. 0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:02.800 It's like the Jeffrey Epstein story to like remember with 0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:06.800 his suicidal doesn't even have any final thoughts before we 0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:09.840 get outle onto our next case. I'm really sorry for 0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:15.080 staying skit attle. I just it was right there. I 0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:17.800 get it. I just hope that you know, the family 0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:22.080 is able to heal because these types of people don't 0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:25.840 understand about crime. It has long lasting effects on people, 0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:30.520 so then it also it hurts them in the inside. 0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:33.759 But also they're not the person there used they used 0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:36.200 to be, so then that hurt can kind of trickle 0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:38.959 down to their children and other people in their life, 0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:41.759 and it could just be a whole disaster because in 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:45.640 the past, we've seen parents lose a child and because 0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:50.120 they lose that child, their their marriage, they actually ends 0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:53.400 in divorce because of all the tragic stuff of the 0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:55.600 shutar kuld of wood is and what if and why 0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:57.520 didn't we see the signs and it it can just 0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:02.200 really be a heavy weight on the family. Yeah. Absolutely, 0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:07.560 And okay, guys, we're gonna take a quick break before 0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:10.040 we go to our last case for today. We will 0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:26.320 b rb I gotta stop saying b RP and welcome 0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:28.880 back to real time crime. I just like for everyone 0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:31.040 to know that I did not have a coffee today, 0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:34.880 even though it is approximately one pm, and that is 0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:37.200 because I forgot to go to Trader Joe's yesterday. So 0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:38.800 this is on me and I have no one to 0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:41.960 blame but myself. But this is also why I somehow 0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:45.600 forgot how to read. Anyway, let's move on. Tell tell 0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:47.759 me you're a white girl in a white turtleneck without 0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:49.600 telling me I didn't have coffee because I didn't get 0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:53.120 a chance to get a Trader Joe's yesterday. Holy crap. 0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:58.120 Oh no, I'm really today, all right, I didn't get 0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:02.799 to go to Trader Joe's for ariwan, It's just all right. 0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:05.760 I If anyone does want to split an Arajuan membership 0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:08.120 with me, though, please damn me. I'm all for it's 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:10.800 on each and we get ten percent off. I ever receie. 0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:13.759 I mean, come on, it's a deal. Tell me you're 0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:16.919 Jewish without telling me you're Jewish. Okay, guys, this next 0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:20.799 case was actually the suggestion from our voicemail from last week. 0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:23.440 And I'm so glad that this case was brought to 0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:27.080 our attention because it deserves more attention. I hadn't even 0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:31.239 heard about it. This is the Tamla Horsford case. Okay. So, 0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:34.440 Tamla was a forty year old mother of five from Commings, Georgia. 0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:37.560 She was born in St. Vincent and the Granadines in 0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:42.600 and then her family moved to the Bronx in. I 0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:45.600 love a New York girl and she was the life 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:47.839 of the party. She liked to laugh, dan's have fun. 0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:52.320 She was a bright, shining light. Okay. So obviously we 0:38:52.520 --> 0:38:57.239 know there was a mystery around her death and in 0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:00.200 Forsyth County, in the city of Commings, Georgia, on November four, 0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:06.160 her body was discovered dead at the homeowner's boyfriend in 0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:10.960 her friend's backyard after a quote adult sleepover slash birthday 0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:14.640 party with quote other football moms. She arrived at the 0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:17.680 party around eight thirty pm, and she ride with the 0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:20.200 bottle of tequila. I'm seeing a lot of through lines 0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:22.400 with bottles of tequila. Do people just need to stop 0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:27.840 drinking tequila? Yeah, it sounds like the potential um. She 0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:30.480 arrived with a bottle of tequila, a small overnight bag, 0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:34.120 and changed into white onesie pajamas covered in paw prints 0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:37.160 shortly after she got there. Cute. The party held the 0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:41.440 evening of number November was originally meant to be all women, 0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:45.800 but Myers's boyfriend, Jose Errera, and Tom Smith, the husband 0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:50.520 of another attendee, ended up sticking around okay in the end. 0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:53.680 The group who advocates for Horseford would later be dubbed 0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:56.719 the Foresight twelve, including nine women, two men, and one 0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.600 husband who, according to police interviews, only dropped off and 0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:03.640 pick up his wife. They drank, watched football, played cards 0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:07.240 against humanity, fun game. Okay, they had photographs and videos 0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:12.760 of her watching the game, smiling, super happy. So guests 0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:14.960 who weren't spending the night began to leave around eleven 0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:17.800 thirty pm, while those who were staying trickled off to 0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:20.480 bed over the next couple couple of hours. She went 0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:23.320 outside to smoke a cigarette on the back porch around 0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:25.920 two am, and the last person to see her was 0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:28.319 Bridget Fuller, who was picked up by her husband at 0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:31.759 one forty seven am. Over the next ten minutes, the 0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:35.360 home security system registered the back door opening, closing, and 0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:39.360 then opening again for the last time at one seven am. 0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:44.120 Around the next morning, Madeline Lombardi, myers aunt, who lived 0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:47.120 at the house, headed kitchen making her cup of coffee 0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:52.040 in the morning and they called. She called just before 0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:56.560 nine am to nine one, and she said she's not 0:40:56.680 --> 0:40:59.920 moving one bit, She's not breathing. She's completely faced down 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:04.080 in the yard. She is stiff, and Myers and Brera 0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:07.839 are also on the line. The Sheriff's department ruled an 0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:12.520 accident due to acute ethanol intoxication heavily drinking, saying she 0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:16.960 fell off the second story balcony. She was apparently three 0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:23.320 times over the legal limit to drive okay, So the case, 0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.719 family and friends are not convinced that this was an accident, 0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:30.320 and they ordered a second independent autopsy because her injuries 0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:33.520 seemed inconsistent with an accident. She had a cut on 0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:38.120 her wrist, which the sheriff says was self inflicted, which 0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:43.279 is odd because that would imply a suicide, and you know, 0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:45.359 that's I don't know, that's just kind of an odd 0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:49.760 statement there. And according to the autopsy, it showed blunt 0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:53.760 force trauma to her head, neck, torso extremities including abrasions 0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:56.279 on the face, four types of hemorrhages in the skull 0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:58.880 and brain, dislocation with the right wrist, and cuts on 0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:03.000 her arms and lay. And the most notable thing was 0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:05.680 that when she was turned over, the fact that she 0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:08.800 had come to rest face down, her head was not 0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:12.400 turned to one side or the other. Her legs were 0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:15.000 found extended behind her with both feet pointing to the right, 0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:17.480 her right arm close to her body. Her left arm 0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:23.480 was found extended and bent at the elbow, and one 0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:27.080 of the fellow party attendees, Stacy Stacy Smith, expressed doubt 0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:30.520 that she could have fallen. She said that she's been 0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:34.320 on the deck a million times, and she said she's looked, 0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:39.160 she's tried, and she was testing a theory that that 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:41.359 she was drunk and leaned over to vomit but went 0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:45.160 too far, and she said, I just don't understand. So 0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:50.200 then suspicions were raised further in February nineteen, when jose 0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:53.720 the parole officer and boyfriend of the homeowner, was fired 0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:57.080 after he used his position to illegally access the Horseford 0:42:57.200 --> 0:43:01.080 incident report and name record for Myers via the Records 0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:07.360 Management System database a K, questionably tampering with evidence we 0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:11.560 don't know. Later that month, seven of the individuals present 0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:14.600 the night of the incident, including Myers and Brera, sued 0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:18.080 Graves for defamation, pointing to Facebook post accusing them of 0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:26.120 being responsible for her death. So t I A on 0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:29.320 Citty Cent posted about the story, bringing attention to it. 0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:34.319 The case was reignited after um Ahmed are very case 0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:38.239 in Georgia tweeting hashtag justice for tom La. Although I 0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:42.080 will be honest, I never saw this hashtag. I never 0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:45.120 saw it either. I never see it here about the story, 0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:50.080 and I thought it was very odd. Yeah. Also, the 0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:53.520 fact that she was faced down and her head wasn't 0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:57.000 too aside. If you fall off a balcony, you're not 0:43:57.160 --> 0:44:00.440 Your face is not going to be perfectly landed center 0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:04.879 into the concrete unless it's absolutely smashed. Right. I also 0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:07.120 have a question they said so that they said the 0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:09.800 door opened, the security system to the door open closed opened. 0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:12.239 Was that a door on the second story balcony or 0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:14.520 was that down below? The other thing is if she 0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:17.640 fell off the balcony, right, I assume, And this is 0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:19.880 not my area of expertise, obviously, but I assumed she 0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:22.000 would have fallen close to the house. Then they said 0:44:22.040 --> 0:44:23.879 the person the aunt was like making coffee the next 0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:26.000 day and saw her in the yard, which would lead 0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:28.719 me to believe it was further out from the house 0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:30.320 in order to spot it. I don't know obviously what 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:32.720 the house looks like. But these things that, this stuff 0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:37.040 just doesn't add up to me. Yeah, it doesn't add 0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:39.680 up to me either. Also, nine one was nine one 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:43.360 one was called fourteen minutes after the people at the 0:44:43.400 --> 0:44:49.239 party found her body. Time seems like who timed it? Yeah? 0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:51.440 That that's another weird thing too. Who time do you 0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:54.919 if they're all at the party sticking together? Who time 0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:59.840 the fourteen minutes? Also true? But but also is that 0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:02.920 a long amount of time to wait before calling nine 0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:05.800 one one? If you find someone dead? Absolutely, if I 0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:10.160 found someone dead, I'm calling me within two minutes of like, 0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:13.320 oh ship, they're dead, Okay, let me call the police. 0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:17.600 That's soundly, But I don't think that fourteen minutes really 0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:20.680 matter because whoever knew she was dead knew she was 0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:23.800 dead from the previous night before, right, because this is 0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:27.520 allegedly a murder, because it's just it's just too much 0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:31.120 foul play of It's like the cut on the wrist 0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:35.759 and the risk being broken is like in conjunction to 0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:38.400 someone holding your wrist to and then it's just like 0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:42.200 and then those two men there, it seemed like a setup. 0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:45.080 And I'll tell you, as an adult, I'm not spending 0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:48.640 the night over nobody's house talking about a sleepover that 0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:51.240 that's odd to me too. It sounds like a setup 0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:55.160 because why are all these people grown as people having 0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:59.400 a sleepover in their forties and and you're going to 0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:01.560 different How big is this house? It sounds like a 0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:04.080 home alone house, Like how do these is this house? 0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:07.000 They all got rooms? Are they sleeping in rooms together? What? 0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:11.640 This don't make no sense? No, and family attorney from 0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:14.239 the law office is a Fernandez and Alvarez said in 0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:17.759 a statement saying that homicide is a strong possibility. It 0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:20.520 appears that she was possibly involved in a struggle and 0:46:20.600 --> 0:46:25.760 potentially that the body had been handled before the police arrived, 0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:29.120 and that the subject is a friend. And they also 0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:30.719 said that when they found her, they were like, oh, 0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:32.719 she was already dead. Her body was stiff, so they 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:36.080 clearly had touched the body, so already right there. I 0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:38.200 don't know if they lifted her. They've already you know, 0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:40.719 touched the crime scene, so who knows at that point. 0:46:40.760 --> 0:46:42.480 What I also find interesting is I don't know what 0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:45.160 the word this falls. But so the other cases we 0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:47.440 were talking about, the one with the bumble day and stuff, 0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:50.400 no details at all, and this one starts off with 0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:53.920 the what was on her pajamas? What was like? Just 0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:56.640 so much I don't know, like where does that come 0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:58.600 into play here? There seems like there's so much other 0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:00.759 stuff that should be figured out here as opposed to 0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:03.520 distracting us with paw prints on her on her white 0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:08.320 onesie jammies or whatever. Yeah, I mean, I think the 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:14.040 other thing that's very bizarre again is that they waited 0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:19.440 fourteen minutes, which I mean, in my opinion, could mean 0:47:19.480 --> 0:47:21.600 a variety of different things. But is it that they 0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:26.880 were creating some sort of fake scenario and and putting 0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:29.680 on a big act, Oh my god, what happened? Oh 0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:33.920 you know, pretending that they didn't murder her or you know, 0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:36.839 was everyone justin so much shocked that they couldn't get 0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:39.239 to their phones and this was really an accident, you know, 0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:43.520 everyone was so freaked out. I mean, I don't know 0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:47.400 if this is an accident or not, obviously, but fourteen 0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:49.840 minutes is a long time to wait. I mean, I've 0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:52.160 never even been with a man who could last fourteen minutes, 0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:58.040 so I'm a little jealous. But you know, some people 0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:03.760 can wait longer than others. All of this happened, I'm 0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:06.799 interested in knowing, like how does how do these people 0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:09.520 normally post on social media? Because they say it was 0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:13.360 a lot of stories of Tammela looking very happy and 0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:15.400 stuff like that, and some of the stories and stuff 0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:19.719 because grown adults and having us Are you really doing 0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:22.160 a lot of story especially the ages of these people, 0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:24.040 So are you really posting a lot of stories of 0:48:24.120 --> 0:48:26.520 you guys having fun and stuff? It seems like it 0:48:26.680 --> 0:48:29.879 was premeditated, So I'm just interested to see their their 0:48:30.080 --> 0:48:33.280 social media posting history. Are they the type that always 0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:36.640 show like the memories that they're having in the moments, 0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:39.200 like yeah posting to my story, Oh we're having fun? 0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:42.160 Or did they just do it for this moment, right, 0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:45.880 because this could have been premeditated. It could have been 0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:48.920 this could even bridge off into an affair, and it 0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:53.560 was a it's a confrontation between the husband liking her Tammela, 0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:56.040 and it's like they set the two guys up to bid. 0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:59.400 This could be a whole thing, and it might not 0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:02.000 just have something to do with all of this stuff 0:49:02.120 --> 0:49:05.560 is just accidental, Like why were the two men there? 0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:08.719 Why isn't that being explained because it's so I'm pretty 0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:10.880 sure tamb Lou with a bra her husband, you know 0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:13.560 what I mean. So why is it I don't want 0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:15.560 to show up to a sleepover that I think it's 0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:19.880 gonna be all women and two men are there and 0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:22.000 I'm in my pajamas and stuff like that. That might 0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:24.239 be an uncomfortable moment. I'm not saying this is what 0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:28.520 ignited what potentially happened, but also like what is the 0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:31.200 history of a lot of things that's going on, Like 0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:34.359 especially the social media has really bothered me. And what's 0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:36.960 interesting is that the guy said they said that guy 0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:41.279 accessed the files um without permission or whatever, unauthorized and 0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:44.239 then they said the case was reopened in July, but 0:49:44.320 --> 0:49:49.800 then quickly closed to me, right, so you're you're opening 0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:51.680 this case up and then it's closing right away, like 0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:54.160 and I think I feel like the paperwork and stuff 0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:57.040 to open a case again. You open it, you're gonna 0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:59.279 do some stuff, but I haven't shut down right away. 0:49:59.320 --> 0:50:02.759 To me is suspicious. And another thing that's been brought 0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:05.840 to media attention lately is the fact that um black 0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:10.279 women that go missing aren't getting widespread media coverage, and 0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:14.640 especially in these towns that are predominantly white. And that 0:50:14.960 --> 0:50:19.840 particular city in Georgia has a population of eighty percent 0:50:20.160 --> 0:50:24.000 white and four percent black people. So with that being said, 0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:27.880 it's very easy to be dismissive, especially when certain people 0:50:28.040 --> 0:50:31.840 of that twelve know the know the people that's the 0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:34.879 police and all these other other like law enforcement people 0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:39.400 are people that are over the case. Mhm. Absolutely. I 0:50:39.480 --> 0:50:43.160 Also I have another question. Do you think that you 0:50:43.160 --> 0:50:46.600 would hear the sound of a body falling from the balcony? 0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:50.960 It depends on if everybody. I think you would, but 0:50:50.960 --> 0:50:53.319 it depends on how hammered everybody was. But they said 0:50:53.360 --> 0:50:54.960 the aunt lived there, but it doesn't say that the 0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:57.960 aunt was partying with everybody. So I mean it's yeah. 0:50:58.080 --> 0:51:01.839 I mean, there's obviously endless questions. I just think, well, 0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:03.919 I guess it was two am, is what they're saying. 0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:09.120 But if you hear the sound of a body thud someone, 0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:15.560 they're twelve people there, ten people there, No one heard it. Well, 0:51:15.640 --> 0:51:17.640 it could be as I don't know if I can 0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:19.640 stand on that one with you, Leah, because that could 0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:21.480 be a quick fool, you know what I mean. And 0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:23.960 it's like anything could be. Sometimes you think you here 0:51:24.080 --> 0:51:26.279 something and you're just like going about your business too, 0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:30.480 So it's not it's as as much as like a gunshot, 0:51:30.760 --> 0:51:33.400 you know what I mean, something that you know is distinctive, 0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:39.800 especially dependent. And and what's ironic to me too is 0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:43.839 these were all white people. Where the hell was the dog? 0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:48.239 It was no dog around, and they left the door open. 0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:50.240 When the dog go out there and see the body 0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:54.000 and bark. Now, this ship is becoming real suspicious because 0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:57.080 where is the dog? Why don't they have a dog, 0:51:57.600 --> 0:52:00.840 and why isn't the dog barking at a damn body 0:52:01.239 --> 0:52:03.840 or body that's bent over? Because when they left the 0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:06.040 dog out to go use the bathroom, and then they 0:52:06.080 --> 0:52:10.120 said the door, the sliding door opened. Then it closed 0:52:10.200 --> 0:52:12.440 and then it opened, so it left. Why didn't the 0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:16.719 dog go investigate the body? So you're saying that there 0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:21.360 was no dog and that it's to or not. If 0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:23.440 a houseful of white people don't have a dog, then 0:52:23.480 --> 0:52:25.840 it's possible they've been plotting a murder for years because 0:52:25.880 --> 0:52:30.879 to your point, talk to me. I mean, the other 0:52:31.000 --> 0:52:33.200 thing that's interesting is they didn't know it at all 0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:36.799 during this case that they were eating because honestly, white 0:52:36.840 --> 0:52:42.120 people don't know how to cook. Sorry, I eat white 0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:44.320 people food all the time. It's pretty tasty, I know, 0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:48.400 but I don't really consider Jews white. I'm like, now 0:52:48.440 --> 0:52:54.000 I'm off white. There's a difference. Um. Also, you know, 0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:56.480 when you think about the screen door opening and closing 0:52:56.600 --> 0:53:02.000 and opening, it just makes everything even more suspicious. It's, yeah, 0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:05.480 you're you're someone went in, someone went out on one 0:53:05.560 --> 0:53:08.600 back in, someone's going over the balcony. No one's going 0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:11.680 over the balcony. Someone's getting beat up. Then they're carrying 0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:15.319 her body downstairs, I mean minutes after the last person 0:53:15.400 --> 0:53:18.080 that was leaving that night left. And then how are 0:53:18.160 --> 0:53:22.560 you carherent enough to actually smoke a cigarette but also 0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:25.840 trip over a balcony. So you can actually take in 0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:28.440 light a cigarette because it gets a little nippy at 0:53:28.520 --> 0:53:30.960 night in Georgia. So you actually able to take because 0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:32.640 you know you probably had to do it a couple 0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:36.840 of times. You can do all of this motion, but 0:53:37.000 --> 0:53:39.839 you're too drunk and you follow over a balcony. Now 0:53:39.960 --> 0:53:42.799 that's not adding up either. Where's the cigarette? The cigarette 0:53:43.200 --> 0:53:45.480 can tell a lot of tale. Was the cigarette still 0:53:45.520 --> 0:53:48.120 on the balcony? Was it down below where she felt? 0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:53.480 Where was the cigarette? I'm gonna not agree with this 0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:57.520 one only because in my drinking days I was a 0:53:57.600 --> 0:54:02.759 proet literally everything when I was drunk. So but did 0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:05.719 you ever fall to your death? Not that we know of, 0:54:05.920 --> 0:54:09.759 unless this is heaven or hell. I mean, we don't 0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:12.239 know where I'm gonna end up or prison? Should I 0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:15.600 be so lucky? You guys. It's time to wrap up 0:54:15.640 --> 0:54:19.600 with some final thoughts before we close for today. Dmitri 0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:25.719 deef Nique, any final thoughts for us about anything at all? 0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:28.640 The meaning of life? I feel like we did a 0:54:28.719 --> 0:54:31.400 nice job of raising a lot of questions, um with 0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:33.719 some of these cases, because, like we said with the 0:54:33.760 --> 0:54:36.240 Brian Lonry thing, we don't like when there's not closure 0:54:36.239 --> 0:54:38.680 on these things. Right, and I think some so many 0:54:38.760 --> 0:54:43.080 of these cases seem to be lacking simple questions that 0:54:43.200 --> 0:54:44.680 we came up with, and so I think it's It's 0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:46.719 a nice obviously, it was a nice conversation with both 0:54:46.760 --> 0:54:49.080 of you to to go through these things and be like, hey, 0:54:49.239 --> 0:54:50.960 what's up with this stuff? And hopefully you know what. 0:54:51.640 --> 0:54:53.640 I know this isn't TikTok, but maybe someone's going to 0:54:53.719 --> 0:54:55.560 hear this and kind of raise these questions and we 0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:58.880 can get some so right, we don't like being literally 0:54:58.960 --> 0:55:04.759 ghosted on a case. We need closure And that was 0:55:04.800 --> 0:55:07.759 such a stupid but I'm sure I feel it was 0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:11.720 fitty Thank you. I wanted to say. My final cases 0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:14.239 would be to all the Black listeners out there, be 0:55:14.400 --> 0:55:17.719 careful when you're around your white friends and you're drinking tequila, 0:55:18.440 --> 0:55:22.480 be very careful. Maybe drink vodka or wine or Hennessy 0:55:22.680 --> 0:55:26.080 or something like that, but tequila and hanging with white 0:55:26.160 --> 0:55:31.160 people just don't mix. The more you know, the more 0:55:31.239 --> 0:55:36.239 you know, well technique. 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