Speaker 1: Hello, Social Sleuths, Welcome back to a real time crime.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Leo Lamar, and today we'll be discussing
Speaker 1: the Laurence smith Fields ruling, Brian Laundry's confession, tam La Harsford,
Speaker 1: a woman threatening to bring guns to school if a
Speaker 1: child has to wear a mask, and more. Okay, you guys,
Speaker 1: I just want to let you know Teddy is still
Speaker 1: on vacation. We are very jealous, aren't we. Dmitri must
Speaker 1: must be nice. I think she hasn't recovered from the
Speaker 1: Fannie Pack mishap, so she's looking for it. We've upgraded
Speaker 1: sometimes Dmitri to just regular Dimitri, almost regular Dmitri. But
Speaker 1: lucky for us, we have a guest host today who's
Speaker 1: a dear friend of mine, and she's absolutely hilarious as
Speaker 1: a sketch performer, actress, stand up comedian. You may know
Speaker 1: her from a very long list of credits, and I'm
Speaker 1: just still learning how to read so I can name
Speaker 1: a few of them. How I Met Your Mother, Jimmy
Speaker 1: Kimmel Live the comedy Get Down. She's featured for Martin Lawrence.
Speaker 1: She's toured with Cat Williams. She's the winner of the
Speaker 1: she Devil Festival in the American Black Film Festival Comedy
Speaker 1: Wings competition, which was sponsored by HBO, and she's performed
Speaker 1: at jfl's New Faces. It's Technique Springs. What's up everybody
Speaker 1: out there? Hey Leah, Hey to Matre Technique. First of all,
Speaker 1: let me just say, I think you're the only person
Speaker 1: to ever come on this podcast and wear a color,
Speaker 1: so thank you so much. Um, we always wear this
Speaker 1: black or white. It's very bleak. I think that's a
Speaker 1: comedian thing too, because we love to wear all black.
Speaker 1: I love to look like I can talk at night
Speaker 1: and the and just show up at the party and
Speaker 1: also look like I work at a place. I mean,
Speaker 1: I will say that. When I came onto the pod
Speaker 1: this morning, the first thing I said is no one
Speaker 1: commented on the fact that I'm not wearing a black
Speaker 1: turtle neck and you we I'm wearing a turtle night.
Speaker 1: But also you said it in the first like three seconds,
Speaker 1: like the thing the camera popped on and she goes,
Speaker 1: I can't believe no one said anything. Who well, I
Speaker 1: just need as much attention as possible, you know that.
Speaker 1: I think the first crime we can address today, by
Speaker 1: the way, is how I drew my eyebrows on, but
Speaker 1: we can get to that later. You know. It's like
Speaker 1: they say, they should be sisters, not twins, but they
Speaker 1: shouldn't be like two different species. I don't know what
Speaker 1: I've done here anyway, Technique, Hello, thank you for coming
Speaker 1: on today. Um, so just give us We'll give us
Speaker 1: us a little backstory about how we met. Did we
Speaker 1: Did we meet during the pandemic? Yeah? We pandemic meters.
Speaker 1: Oh man, this might be one of the only relationships
Speaker 1: that still lasted throughout the pandemic. Yes, because we didn't
Speaker 1: actually you know, date. Uh yeah, of course that lasted.
Speaker 1: You could just last on regular friendships or pandemic just
Speaker 1: dating was just horrible. Yeah. So this is what it's
Speaker 1: like to meet someone and not hook up with them.
Speaker 1: How dare you to get I'm hurt. I'm hurt, Um officer,
Speaker 1: please arrest this man. Okay. So, yeah, we met during
Speaker 1: the pandemic. Uh, Tephany, you dazzled me with your comedic
Speaker 1: abilities immediately. You're hilarious. Okay. Also questions for you, do
Speaker 1: you have any true crime cases that you love or
Speaker 1: anything that you think is booming right now that you're
Speaker 1: super interested in I look. I love the show snapped. Um,
Speaker 1: just in case I've ever put in this situation where
Speaker 1: I have to kill somebody, I want to see all
Speaker 1: the things that people are doing wrong, so I make
Speaker 1: sure that I don't do the wrong thing, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's a way of getting in
Speaker 1: the mind of crime, just in case you ever have
Speaker 1: to break it out, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is my explanation as well. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I need to know exactly how I might be killed
Speaker 1: so that I could be prepared for every situation. Well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I've already proposed that it's best that if women
Speaker 1: killed naked, because one of the major rules is you
Speaker 1: should never kill somebody when they have their back turn
Speaker 1: to you. They always have to be forcing facing you.
Speaker 1: So in order to continue lee get that those eyes
Speaker 1: on you, it's best to be naked and it killed
Speaker 1: because people just can't think about it. You can't keep
Speaker 1: your eyes off someone that's new. Okay, So I need
Speaker 1: to stop sleeping in pajamas, is what you're saying. All right, Okay,
Speaker 1: good one, Thank you for the hot tip. Love that. Okay. Also,
Speaker 1: defniqu you have a huge presence on TikTok. And we
Speaker 1: do see a lot of true crime on TikTok as well,
Speaker 1: which is wild and interesting. What do you love about TikTok?
Speaker 1: What was your first video? Tell us a little more
Speaker 1: about your TikTok experience. My first TikTok was just basically
Speaker 1: just taking all my other content that was on other
Speaker 1: platforms and just putting it on there and just building
Speaker 1: a new audience from it. But one thing I do
Speaker 1: love about TikTok is a portion of it has become
Speaker 1: about true crime. You have people that are really cracking
Speaker 1: the cases, and if they're not cracking the cases, they're
Speaker 1: giving national exposure to things that we would have overlooked,
Speaker 1: which is one of the cases we're talking about today. Yes,
Speaker 1: and we first noticed it during the Gabby Petito Brian
Speaker 1: laundry case, which we'll be talking about later. But I
Speaker 1: think that sort of exploded the true crime genre on TikTok,
Speaker 1: which is pretty pretty great. We're very excited about it, Okay. Also,
Speaker 1: I just want to say TikTok is wild. I had
Speaker 1: four hundred followers on TikTok last week, not to brag,
Speaker 1: and then I posted a crowd work video and now
Speaker 1: I have thirty six thousand followers, and I know, I know,
Speaker 1: case like you know anything to write home about. But
Speaker 1: still I was like, Okay, I've been working ten years
Speaker 1: to grow my Instagram. I just hit fort k and
Speaker 1: I'm about to surpass it in one week of being
Speaker 1: on TikTok. Same for me because the TikTok I'm at
Speaker 1: two million verses. Instagraere I'm five hundred and fifty thousands,
Speaker 1: So you can't here is so hard because you know
Speaker 1: what you think about it, It's like, that's a lot
Speaker 1: of followers. But then he may have somebody looking at
Speaker 1: your following life. Thirty six thousand, that's a lot of followers.
Speaker 1: So it just depends on the tier and who's looking
Speaker 1: up to you. Yeah, yeah, I guess it's all about
Speaker 1: perspective anyway. Um, all right, so let's what's kind into
Speaker 1: some hot topics for to day. And this is a
Speaker 1: TikTok murder, well, a murderer allegedly, oh boy, alleged, this
Speaker 1: is what this is what the podcast should be called. Allegedly.
Speaker 1: I mean it's the only word I forget to say
Speaker 1: all the time. Anyway, So allegedly a murderer who was
Speaker 1: also a TikTok star. So we have heard about this
Speaker 1: case a while ago from Jin Kidd. If you want
Speaker 1: to give him a look up on TikTok, it's j
Speaker 1: I N N k I D and his TikTok was
Speaker 1: already populated with sketches of him as Scarface and several
Speaker 1: other bad boys. Yes, precisely. Okay, So he's been accused
Speaker 1: of murdering his wife and also another man. Ali bou
Speaker 1: Laban had a number of outbursts during the continuation of
Speaker 1: his preliminary hearing. He interrupted San Diego Police Detective Christopher
Speaker 1: Leary's testimony as he as his attorney question him regarding
Speaker 1: the relationship between him and his wife and Raymond Barron,
Speaker 1: who was the other man he was also fatally shot.
Speaker 1: So detectives say that the video showed him going to
Speaker 1: his estranged wife's apartment. Yes, she wanted a divorce, followed
Speaker 1: by the round of six gunshots. So it was a
Speaker 1: revealing court that they actually did have a very rocky
Speaker 1: marriage prior to the shooting, and she wanted to leave
Speaker 1: a k at the divorce, and days before the shooting,
Speaker 1: he actually moved out of their apartment and just before
Speaker 1: the detective finished his testimony, this guy has another outburst,
Speaker 1: prompting the judge to call for a break, and he's
Speaker 1: been escorted out of the courtroom. Now, I haven't been
Speaker 1: on trial before, but that's what you're supposed to do, right,
Speaker 1: have an outburst and cut off the judge and kind
Speaker 1: of make it like show that you're angry. Right, that's
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do if you're trying to get
Speaker 1: a a misfit trial and basically claim insanity for shooting
Speaker 1: two people close range, uh, close range in the face.
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you want to try to claim that,
Speaker 1: absolutely you should just start. Ah, you should just be
Speaker 1: yelling out crazy stuff doing a trial. Okay, So what's
Speaker 1: my excuse when I do that in my bedroom? Basically,
Speaker 1: you want to kill to sex? You know me? Stop it.
Speaker 1: I'm over it. I think I think this is why
Speaker 1: I'm single, but I'm not sure it. Also, maybe white
Speaker 1: guys keep coming back for sex. They're just like, she's
Speaker 1: so crazy, that's it. End of sentence. Um. Yeah, At
Speaker 1: the end of the preliminary hearing, the judge determines that
Speaker 1: he will stand trial on murder charges. Okay, so I
Speaker 1: think all the evidence is pointing to perhaps that there
Speaker 1: may be homicide involved allegedly. Really try and tiptoe around
Speaker 1: this one. But I think if you're having outbursts um
Speaker 1: while standing trial not a good look. I think still
Speaker 1: is because the type of outbursts that he had. He said,
Speaker 1: you think I wanted this. My whole life is ruled
Speaker 1: because you allegedly shot two people in the face. You're wrong,
Speaker 1: y'are old like. So it's like a part of narcissism.
Speaker 1: It's like, are you serious? Like you you potentially committed
Speaker 1: these crimes and they were premeditating. I actually have a
Speaker 1: spyware set up in your house the prey. Is it
Speaker 1: weird that I'm attracted to this guy? He was handsome though,
Speaker 1: and then I did like his impersonations. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: you could break all of that. Yeah, and I've always
Speaker 1: wanted to have a conjugal visit. Could it be with
Speaker 1: someone that stole something from a store? So does it
Speaker 1: have to be someone who was allegedly committed a double hums?
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, Daphne, can we go back to the
Speaker 1: fact that you installed spyware and I never did it?
Speaker 1: This guy did it. I've stopped. I just used my
Speaker 1: regular body as a spywere Um, I'm not that technical
Speaker 1: savvy where I would just like have an I pass
Speaker 1: that up to me. That's investing too much when I
Speaker 1: can just invest myself in my time and you need
Speaker 1: nothing but gas money. What did you do? How did
Speaker 1: you find people looking for? Yeah? I found what I
Speaker 1: was looking for. I remember one time. The worst I've
Speaker 1: ever been is hiding in bushes and looking through windows,
Speaker 1: and I know it filled me enough too. If I
Speaker 1: had access to a weapon, I probably would have used it,
Speaker 1: but thank god I didn't have that accessibility. That's why
Speaker 1: people shouldn't be allowed to buy weapons. And so we
Speaker 1: were in the bush. How close were wed to the house? Um?
Speaker 1: I paid on myself a little bit because I started
Speaker 1: to see stuff and I really had to go to
Speaker 1: the bathroom, but I couldn't stop looking. So I was
Speaker 1: pretty close. I will say about ten ft because you
Speaker 1: don't want to get too close and then you're busted
Speaker 1: and then rumors are starting that you're crazy. You want
Speaker 1: people to find out you're crazy on the your their
Speaker 1: own and not from here saying yeah, because from ten
Speaker 1: feet away you can just be like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I was just being in the bushes. I didn't even
Speaker 1: realize that he was in there having sex. Yeah, being
Speaker 1: near his house is just called marking your territory. Absolutely
Speaker 1: and okay. And this only happened one time. Um, I
Speaker 1: have no recollection of the other times. UM My attorney
Speaker 1: told me not to speak on it. Uh. I just
Speaker 1: think we should move forward. You know what's so interesting.
Speaker 1: I have thought so many times about doing a drive by,
Speaker 1: you know, when you just know that something's going on, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to just catch them. And then I just
Speaker 1: never did it, and I really regret not doing it,
Speaker 1: But there's still time for me. I stopped doing it
Speaker 1: because l A traffic was really bad. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not worth an hour and a half of time
Speaker 1: and to be seen back just thinking about all the
Speaker 1: stuff that pished you off and another car is stand
Speaker 1: still stopped in front of you. So it was just
Speaker 1: like the time traveled for me. It's awkward. It's awkward
Speaker 1: leaning out the window and yelling I missed the four
Speaker 1: play let's go. I think it's time for us to
Speaker 1: move on to our next case. And we had talked
Speaker 1: about this case last week and I have actually confused
Speaker 1: about what I'm about to read you, so I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna follow up on this case right now. So Lawrence
Speaker 1: smith Fields, who we spoke about last week, she died
Speaker 1: after her bumble date, and they have now ruled her
Speaker 1: death accidental, which allegedly no one believes. Okay, So her
Speaker 1: relatives believe that she did not die from an accidental
Speaker 1: overdose and that this demands a more exhaustive investigation of
Speaker 1: what happened. And the family's lawyer says, this looks a
Speaker 1: lot like manslaughter, it looks like murder, and they need
Speaker 1: to start acting a little faster on this. And they
Speaker 1: said that she died of acute intoxication due to the
Speaker 1: combined effects of fetanel, which I believe that we predicted
Speaker 1: last episode, fetanol, permethazine, hydroxine, and alcohol. So her death
Speaker 1: was ruled an accident. And I think that this is
Speaker 1: kind of an astonishing ruling for a lot of people
Speaker 1: because it doesn't at all seem like that, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like they did exhaustive research at all. In fact,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if they ever even interviewed Matthew la Fountain,
Speaker 1: who was her bumble date and the last person to
Speaker 1: see her alive, and the evidence looked a lot different
Speaker 1: from the story that he was telling officers. So I mean,
Speaker 1: is that where you start the last person to see
Speaker 1: her alive? Is that where you start with it with
Speaker 1: the investigation? Well do you do you guys think foul play?
Speaker 1: Is that hand here? Absolutely? Uh? And looking at Matthew Lafartage,
Speaker 1: I think that he is the prime suspect. Right. He
Speaker 1: has the attractiveness because when I looked at his first
Speaker 1: look at his photo, I was like, oh, he kind
Speaker 1: of cute. I was like, no, bitch, swipe left, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, don't get caught into his looks.
Speaker 1: And do you look at Dmitri and see something similar? Damn,
Speaker 1: Now that you say it, Oh my god, I though,
Speaker 1: so I'm I'm over the hump from that perfect Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: you paged out, you missed your prod okay. And also
Speaker 1: another serial killer trade is superficial charm. And if he
Speaker 1: was able to report and call the police and the
Speaker 1: police are like, oh, this guy's he's a really nice guy.
Speaker 1: This guy has superficial charm. And also I will say this,
Speaker 1: lady's when you're on these dated websites, never trust a
Speaker 1: man who has a hiking photos, he know where to
Speaker 1: hide the body. This is exactly what happened when the
Speaker 1: police stopped Gabby Petito and Brian Laundry. They literally fist
Speaker 1: bump him like he seems like a good guy, no
Speaker 1: superficial charm. Yes, hikers out outdoorsy men and sorry Dmitri,
Speaker 1: but bald with a beard is it's never the right look.
Speaker 1: And ya also intelligent. I'm not intelligent, and I don't hike.
Speaker 1: I just lost my hair. That's not a crime. Leo,
Speaker 1: you lost it? Did you check the loss in pounds?
Speaker 1: It's with Teddy's Fannie back. It's gone. It ain't coming back. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think it's pretty clear that there's foul play allegedly.
Speaker 1: But the question is is it foul play or were
Speaker 1: they like partying or did he slip or something like?
Speaker 1: Did he did he intend to kill her? Type of
Speaker 1: foul play or was he just drugging her? Or what
Speaker 1: do you think happened there? But still drugging somebody is
Speaker 1: still consider foul play. Here's the thing, right, um. Another
Speaker 1: thing that they was mentioned. He said he claimed that
Speaker 1: they were drinking tequila and that her brother showed up
Speaker 1: and she went outside and got a package from the
Speaker 1: brother and went in the bathroom for ten to fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: At me, as a black woman, if I went to
Speaker 1: go get some cocaine that might have been laced with
Speaker 1: betting off from my family member, I would feel comfortable
Speaker 1: doing it in front of a white person. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: feel comfortable in front of a black man, but I
Speaker 1: would feel comfortable in front of a white man. So
Speaker 1: that gives me to believe that it was found boy,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, why would you not be comfortable in
Speaker 1: front of guy with a hiking photo. I also think
Speaker 1: it's rude. She didn't share, you know, very very well.
Speaker 1: They also said, right, she went in, she went in
Speaker 1: the bathroom, and then at some point he said they
Speaker 1: went from tequila to more tequila, but with mixers. Right.
Speaker 1: And he also said she went to the bathroom and vomited. Right,
Speaker 1: Is it possible he's he slipped something? Why? I mean,
Speaker 1: why do you She passed out and he picked her up,
Speaker 1: took her to the bed, and fell asleep next to her.
Speaker 1: He woke up, she had a bloody nose and wasn't breathing.
Speaker 1: This is not adding up, like and when the family
Speaker 1: went to the apartment. They saw blood in the middle
Speaker 1: of the bed, spreading out to the right. And if
Speaker 1: you're on the bed, why would she be in the
Speaker 1: middle where the blood is. Oh, and that makes that
Speaker 1: that makes perfect sense for foul play. It does. Also
Speaker 1: the other thing is it's almost feels odd that he
Speaker 1: would bring up the detail and then she got something
Speaker 1: from her brother and then went to the bathroom and
Speaker 1: she was in there and then came back out. And
Speaker 1: what it's like he created an alibi for himself. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And guess why he had plenty of time to do it,
Speaker 1: because they didn't even really pay attention to this case
Speaker 1: and sol six weeks later. And let me just say this,
Speaker 1: ten the fifteen minutes in alcohol time, Why was you
Speaker 1: able to measure time so well? Because when I drank,
Speaker 1: I don't know what time it is ten or fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like she was in there two hours.
Speaker 1: I would have known down to a minute. That's suspicious. Also,
Speaker 1: let's be honest, if she was having cocaine laced with
Speaker 1: fetan al and she went into the bathroom, did it
Speaker 1: and came out, she would have probably passed away much faster.
Speaker 1: In the bathroom, because if if your stuff is laced
Speaker 1: with fetan al and you get killed from the fat
Speaker 1: and al, you usually usually die where you stand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're I mean she would have made it out
Speaker 1: the bathroom. No, exactly, So that's what leads me to
Speaker 1: believe it that there might be some foul play. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and he final thoughts before we move on to our
Speaker 1: next case for today. I just feel like they need
Speaker 1: to take his account a bumble because if he still
Speaker 1: getting swiped on. Yeah, all right, you guys, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take a quick break before we head into the next case.
Speaker 1: We'll be r B. Get a cup of coffee, have
Speaker 1: a glass of wine, you'll need it for this next one.
Speaker 1: And welcome back to Real Time Crime, my friends and
Speaker 1: social sluits. Also, if you're enjoying our new episodes, make
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Speaker 1: Instagram at Real Time Crime Pod. I'm Leo Lamar. You
Speaker 1: know Dmitri Poppus. We've got Dafnique Springs here. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about this a little later and of course, our dear
Speaker 1: Teddy Mellencamp. Let us know your thoughts and if you
Speaker 1: have any ideas about cases that you've loved or anything
Speaker 1: that you've heard so far that you also have some
Speaker 1: thoughts on. We want to hear him. D m S
Speaker 1: will respond, just you know, don't be a weirdo. Okay,
Speaker 1: this next case. Virginia woman arrested after gun threat over
Speaker 1: school mask mandate. Okay. Virginia police say they arrested a
Speaker 1: woman on Friday who threatened to bring loaded guns to
Speaker 1: her children's school in post and protest of a mask
Speaker 1: mandate during a school board meeting, prompting school officials to
Speaker 1: increase security. Are we sure this is an Orange County? Okay?
Speaker 1: I just like okay? The parent, Amelia Reffner King, was
Speaker 1: charged with making a verbal threat while on school property
Speaker 1: and released by a job A job am I okay? Okay? Um?
Speaker 1: Can I flee? Released by a judge on a five
Speaker 1: thousand dollar bond. The Larrey Police Department said, no mask
Speaker 1: mandates my child. My children will not come to school
Speaker 1: Monday with the mask on. All right, that's not happen,
Speaker 1: King told the school board during a comment period on Thursday.
Speaker 1: And I will bring every single gun loaded and ready,
Speaker 1: she said, before being cut off because she had passed
Speaker 1: the three minute speaking limit. I didn't understand why they
Speaker 1: cut her off. It's like let her continuously incriminate herself.
Speaker 1: That's why I was so easy for her to come
Speaker 1: up with a lie and claim that's not what she
Speaker 1: meant because they cut her off. And you know what,
Speaker 1: I know she had guns and she was talking about real,
Speaker 1: actual metal guns with ammo is because she was so calm.
Speaker 1: People who will shoot you, they never be like I
Speaker 1: kill you. That's people that ain't gonna do. Anybody to say, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm bringing my guns and i'll see you Monday. Hey Monday,
Speaker 1: you better disappear. But technique, imagine someone being on stage
Speaker 1: at the comedy store, the laugh factor, the improv and
Speaker 1: they're actually telling a joke about how they murdered someone.
Speaker 1: They get the light and like, well, I guess you
Speaker 1: will have to wait until we never get to hear it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're up next year, Like that's okay, I'll take
Speaker 1: time out of mind let them finish. Okay, we were
Speaker 1: just about to get the confession. Come on, oh boy, okay,
Speaker 1: And as she turned to leave, she told the board
Speaker 1: I'll see all Monday. She then emailed the school Word
Speaker 1: to say she didn't actually mean to threaten by her. Um,
Speaker 1: I in no way meant to imply all guns loaded
Speaker 1: as an actual firearms. Did you just mean these guns
Speaker 1: metaphorical guns? Guys? Come on, I pointed to my non
Speaker 1: existent muscles for anyone who can't see this, but rather
Speaker 1: all resources I can muster to make sure that my
Speaker 1: children get to attend school without masks. My sincere apologies
Speaker 1: for my bich poor choice and words. The police department
Speaker 1: said she's cooperating. Um, I'm there. Her husband was like,
Speaker 1: why didn't you do that? Honey? She was like, what
Speaker 1: they're trying to make to wear masks? Now, I would
Speaker 1: say I agree with her parents skills, like because I'm
Speaker 1: that because parents in the future where I'll show up
Speaker 1: to the school and be like yeah, and I'll come
Speaker 1: back Monday with my goods loaded. But I'll do it
Speaker 1: if you're bullying my child, but I'm not gonna do
Speaker 1: it over a mask. But to each his own. You
Speaker 1: can't tell somebody what's important to them. No, I think
Speaker 1: kill nobody. She was just basically saying, I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: y'all note that I stay ready. So I just gotta
Speaker 1: know that school shootings are a sensitive topic. So absolutely wrong.
Speaker 1: Poor choice of words is not it's not even doing
Speaker 1: what she said justice. I mean that's insane. Yeah, she's
Speaker 1: piled it out pretty clearly. I feel like if she
Speaker 1: goes to jail, she'll probably be like a mob boss
Speaker 1: in there, because she's already like on some olds are
Speaker 1: type of you know the wife on os Are. She's
Speaker 1: already Marty Birds like wife Right to Die. She's about
Speaker 1: that life. Yeah, I'm surprised that she's not passing out
Speaker 1: drugs to kids and really just starting them young. She
Speaker 1: seems like the parties at her house and she's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you've never had a beer before. You're a whip Damn
Speaker 1: I'm all a teen. Yeah, she's like, I'm not a
Speaker 1: regular mom, I'm a cool mom. Hold my gun. It's
Speaker 1: like what um. This reminds me of the Christa Stephano
Speaker 1: nine eleven joke. Have you ever heard it? No? Oh?
Speaker 1: Nothing makes me laugh harder. If you're listening to this episode,
Speaker 1: just you can hit pause, but don't but wait till
Speaker 1: the end of the episode, but google Christa steph No.
Speaker 1: Nine eleven joke. It's at the Comedy Seller and he
Speaker 1: talks about how he gets expelled from school, and his
Speaker 1: dad was a straight up mafia boss and walks into
Speaker 1: the principles of and basically just threatens the principle so
Speaker 1: that he doesn't get expelled from school. He gets unexpelled
Speaker 1: from school. And I'm like, you know, I kind of
Speaker 1: wish I had a parent like that, just someone who
Speaker 1: really had my back. You know, some time threats for
Speaker 1: me just no one. No one threatened people for me.
Speaker 1: So I don't really feel like I was loved. I
Speaker 1: feel like you just didn't get in trouble. So what
Speaker 1: was the threaten? That's correct, Like Liam might have been
Speaker 1: a bully, The threats came from inside that person. You
Speaker 1: know what's so funny for some out call the cops.
Speaker 1: You like, you know what if you can call Lob,
Speaker 1: I can't even stand up for you. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I was the Karen in my own household. Uh no,
Speaker 1: you know, I was actually a really good kid. I
Speaker 1: was very afraid of my parents, and so I never
Speaker 1: wanted to do anything wrong. And now I just feel
Speaker 1: like that's why I'm so rebellious as an adult. I
Speaker 1: wish I had gotten it out in my teens. I
Speaker 1: wish I'd gone to jail as a kid just for
Speaker 1: one night, so I could have just been like a
Speaker 1: normal adult. I don't never wish to go to jail.
Speaker 1: You know who says I wish I'd going to jail
Speaker 1: as a kid, someone that's never been to jail. Okay,
Speaker 1: because I've been and I don't want to go back.
Speaker 1: I did to jail, and the thing that bothered me.
Speaker 1: I went to County jail. I did twelve hours hard time.
Speaker 1: And the thing that bothered me the mooast about there
Speaker 1: is that when they searching your food, they gave you
Speaker 1: a bologney sandwich, and they gave you cookies, and they
Speaker 1: gave you mashed potatoes, which is not a complete meal,
Speaker 1: but they will put all this on a wet food trade.
Speaker 1: So imagine the bread absorbing the water, the cookies absorbing
Speaker 1: the water, and the mashed potatoes rejecting the water. It
Speaker 1: was just a recipe for disaster. It was enough for
Speaker 1: me to never want to go back. If the food
Speaker 1: was good, I could go back to jail because I
Speaker 1: feel like I'll get a lot of righting done. Okay,
Speaker 1: So just to be clear, what's at the RECIPI in
Speaker 1: twelve hours hard time, in twelve hours soft time, um,
Speaker 1: twelve hours, twelve hours, hard, hard times. I stayed up
Speaker 1: all night like this, but nobody better touch me. And
Speaker 1: people was like, hey, we only in here for a
Speaker 1: day two. I'm like yeah, but I gotta watch my back.
Speaker 1: Never like, uh, no one cares. Yeah, They're like, we're
Speaker 1: just in the drunk tank. Could you come down? Pretty much? Pretty?
Speaker 1: But I got in a fight with my boyfriend. It
Speaker 1: was people. It wasn't me. I was actually disturbing the piece.
Speaker 1: But somebody else had gotten in a fight with their boyfriend. Uh,
Speaker 1: somebody did wrote some bad check, so it wasn't it
Speaker 1: was none. And there we ten feet outside our ex
Speaker 1: boyfriend's house when we got caught by the police. No,
Speaker 1: this is me, uh talking crap to a police officer,
Speaker 1: and she showed me that she was a police officer.
Speaker 1: She really had no real grounds to arrest me because
Speaker 1: I just basically was heckling a police officer and she
Speaker 1: was like, oh you want to hecklely. She was like,
Speaker 1: do you like bologna sandwiches, cookies and mashed potatoes because
Speaker 1: we can go and you're like, let's do it. Wow,
Speaker 1: No greens, I noticed and that meal hump, No, that's
Speaker 1: why everybody in jail got a fat ass? Damn Well,
Speaker 1: don't let the secret out. There gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of women suddenly lining up to get in. So instead
Speaker 1: of going to Dominican republica yeah, instead of instead of
Speaker 1: getting as implants, they're like, I heard you get a
Speaker 1: really fat assim jail just a line of white women. Okay,
Speaker 1: so cats out of the back. Wait, So Dechnique, why
Speaker 1: did you go to jail? Like did you no? No?
Speaker 1: Like did she like randomly did you start shipped on
Speaker 1: the street or did you pull you over? No? Starting something? Walking?
Speaker 1: I was walking. I gotta rested walking. So basically, it's
Speaker 1: a big, real street in Miffis, Tennessee. And it was
Speaker 1: this black guy out there, and I thought I was
Speaker 1: gonna be an advocate for him. He had a big
Speaker 1: snake and it was snake. No, it was it was
Speaker 1: an actual real reps out a snake, right, And I
Speaker 1: mean that would be cool that there was a cold like, no,
Speaker 1: let him have this preps out out. No, But he
Speaker 1: had the snake and people were taking pictures with the snake,
Speaker 1: and the police officer came up and she was talking
Speaker 1: to him very rude, especially for him. To be a
Speaker 1: black entrepreneur and him out there having business and a
Speaker 1: business savviness. I just felt like a caring and I
Speaker 1: should stand up for this man. And I was like,
Speaker 1: she was like, get that ship off the street, and
Speaker 1: I was like, you don't need to talk to him
Speaker 1: like that. And next thing I know, she grabbed my
Speaker 1: wrist like this. She said, oh, you want to be
Speaker 1: another people's business and I was like, And she made
Speaker 1: me sit in the cops squad car so that I
Speaker 1: went to jail. Because see, if she would have just
Speaker 1: took me immediately, I wouldn't have went to jail, but
Speaker 1: because um she uh, she made me sit in the
Speaker 1: car until after midnight, I couldn't get out until later
Speaker 1: that day, so I did twelve hours. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: are you really a comedian if you've never been arrested?
Speaker 1: You know? Okay, so I'm not a comedian yet, is
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say. So everyone better watch out
Speaker 1: because I'm on one all right. Time for us to
Speaker 1: move on to the next case. And this obviously hits
Speaker 1: very close to home because this is how we started
Speaker 1: the podcast. Our very first episode ever was based off
Speaker 1: of this case. And this is how the entire podcast
Speaker 1: came to Fruition was through the Brian Laundry Gabby Potito case,
Speaker 1: and we finally have a resolution thanks to forensic work
Speaker 1: as sleuths continued to push for evidence to be released.
Speaker 1: And now we know what was in the mysterious notebook
Speaker 1: that Brian Laundry had which was submerged in water in
Speaker 1: the swamp in the depths of Florida for weeks. And
Speaker 1: they did find a handwritten confession in the notebook, and
Speaker 1: and he is the killer of Gabby Petito. So the
Speaker 1: FBI issued a statement last week confirming that he admitted
Speaker 1: to killing his girlfriend in his suicide note before fatally
Speaker 1: shooting himself in the head. Who okay, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: this case obviously rattled a lot of people for a
Speaker 1: variety of reasons, and this was very needed and necessary
Speaker 1: to have a resolution because for so long we just
Speaker 1: had alleged thoughts that he was the murderer. Even though
Speaker 1: he committed suicide, he was probably the last person with her,
Speaker 1: We didn't really know what was going on. And so
Speaker 1: I'm glad we have closure on this case. And when
Speaker 1: the evidence containing Brian's phone, gun, and no book were found,
Speaker 1: it seemed inevitable that they would finally have answers in
Speaker 1: the case, said the detective. And they found cell phones,
Speaker 1: laptop ops. They're all amazing investigative tools because obviously people
Speaker 1: use them for communication. And it was a telltale sign
Speaker 1: that he was pretending that she was still alive and
Speaker 1: giving the impression to people that you know, she was
Speaker 1: still on Instagram and she was still communicating with family
Speaker 1: that way. So everything that we actually thought was right,
Speaker 1: and it sometimes it doesn't feel good to be right,
Speaker 1: and this is probably the only time that it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel good to be right. Um, do you think that
Speaker 1: this gives us true closure on this case? And what
Speaker 1: do you think happens next? I think what happens next
Speaker 1: is that it does give us closure because when especially
Speaker 1: when something makes such widespread media, it's like you get
Speaker 1: invested into the story and being invested in the store,
Speaker 1: you want to see that closure and also moving forward
Speaker 1: as someone who would or would not potentially be a
Speaker 1: future criminal. I would never write on paper tell me
Speaker 1: you watch snapped without telling me you watch snapped. Don't
Speaker 1: write in a notebook. I mean, I'll say I wanted
Speaker 1: to close this. This was my problem. We found out
Speaker 1: he was dead because I wanted closure from him, So
Speaker 1: I was I was irritated by that because I didn't
Speaker 1: like that he took the easy way out, and this
Speaker 1: is this is closure. This isn't closure for a TV
Speaker 1: generation who watched these true crime things and you get
Speaker 1: to know every detail of what happened and what unrivaled.
Speaker 1: So in that respect, no, we we don't have that,
Speaker 1: but we do have, like you said, our suspicions confirmed
Speaker 1: that he did do it um or didn't do It's
Speaker 1: a it's crazy too without actually having the actual person
Speaker 1: alive to tell the story and actually admit to it.
Speaker 1: Then you wonder if there's some weird conspiracy that we'll
Speaker 1: find out ten years later that somebody said him up
Speaker 1: to commit suicide and make that a store. You see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it's just really like you said,
Speaker 1: it's the easy way out and doesn't give us school
Speaker 1: closure because what if it was somebody to actually murdered
Speaker 1: both of them. I know that's not it, but you
Speaker 1: never know. Well that's one theory. The other theory, conspiracy theory,
Speaker 1: would be what if he's not dead, started that sticking
Speaker 1: to it, found his body or Canada? Well, they found
Speaker 1: a skull bones consistent remains consistent with the DNA of
Speaker 1: Brian laundry. Although they never really told us what they found.
Speaker 1: They I think they said like partial skull, partial, this
Speaker 1: partial that teeth. We weren't really sure. And when when
Speaker 1: people are loose with details, it I feel like there's
Speaker 1: always a reason why. You know, it's because it feels
Speaker 1: like you're hiding something or there's some sort of secret.
Speaker 1: It's like the Jeffrey Epstein story to like remember with
Speaker 1: his suicidal doesn't even have any final thoughts before we
Speaker 1: get outle onto our next case. I'm really sorry for
Speaker 1: staying skit attle. I just it was right there. I
Speaker 1: get it. I just hope that you know, the family
Speaker 1: is able to heal because these types of people don't
Speaker 1: understand about crime. It has long lasting effects on people,
Speaker 1: so then it also it hurts them in the inside.
Speaker 1: But also they're not the person there used they used
Speaker 1: to be, so then that hurt can kind of trickle
Speaker 1: down to their children and other people in their life,
Speaker 1: and it could just be a whole disaster because in
Speaker 1: the past, we've seen parents lose a child and because
Speaker 1: they lose that child, their their marriage, they actually ends
Speaker 1: in divorce because of all the tragic stuff of the
Speaker 1: shutar kuld of wood is and what if and why
Speaker 1: didn't we see the signs and it it can just
Speaker 1: really be a heavy weight on the family. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And okay, guys, we're gonna take a quick break before
Speaker 1: we go to our last case for today. We will
Speaker 1: b rb I gotta stop saying b RP and welcome
Speaker 1: back to real time crime. I just like for everyone
Speaker 1: to know that I did not have a coffee today,
Speaker 1: even though it is approximately one pm, and that is
Speaker 1: because I forgot to go to Trader Joe's yesterday. So
Speaker 1: this is on me and I have no one to
Speaker 1: blame but myself. But this is also why I somehow
Speaker 1: forgot how to read. Anyway, let's move on. Tell tell
Speaker 1: me you're a white girl in a white turtleneck without
Speaker 1: telling me I didn't have coffee because I didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance to get a Trader Joe's yesterday. Holy crap.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm really today, all right, I didn't get
Speaker 1: to go to Trader Joe's for ariwan, It's just all right.
Speaker 1: I If anyone does want to split an Arajuan membership
Speaker 1: with me, though, please damn me. I'm all for it's
Speaker 1: on each and we get ten percent off. I ever receie.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, it's a deal. Tell me you're
Speaker 1: Jewish without telling me you're Jewish. Okay, guys, this next
Speaker 1: case was actually the suggestion from our voicemail from last week.
Speaker 1: And I'm so glad that this case was brought to
Speaker 1: our attention because it deserves more attention. I hadn't even
Speaker 1: heard about it. This is the Tamla Horsford case. Okay. So,
Speaker 1: Tamla was a forty year old mother of five from Commings, Georgia.
Speaker 1: She was born in St. Vincent and the Granadines in
Speaker 1: and then her family moved to the Bronx in. I
Speaker 1: love a New York girl and she was the life
Speaker 1: of the party. She liked to laugh, dan's have fun.
Speaker 1: She was a bright, shining light. Okay. So obviously we
Speaker 1: know there was a mystery around her death and in
Speaker 1: Forsyth County, in the city of Commings, Georgia, on November four,
Speaker 1: her body was discovered dead at the homeowner's boyfriend in
Speaker 1: her friend's backyard after a quote adult sleepover slash birthday
Speaker 1: party with quote other football moms. She arrived at the
Speaker 1: party around eight thirty pm, and she ride with the
Speaker 1: bottle of tequila. I'm seeing a lot of through lines
Speaker 1: with bottles of tequila. Do people just need to stop
Speaker 1: drinking tequila? Yeah, it sounds like the potential um. She
Speaker 1: arrived with a bottle of tequila, a small overnight bag,
Speaker 1: and changed into white onesie pajamas covered in paw prints
Speaker 1: shortly after she got there. Cute. The party held the
Speaker 1: evening of number November was originally meant to be all women,
Speaker 1: but Myers's boyfriend, Jose Errera, and Tom Smith, the husband
Speaker 1: of another attendee, ended up sticking around okay in the end.
Speaker 1: The group who advocates for Horseford would later be dubbed
Speaker 1: the Foresight twelve, including nine women, two men, and one
Speaker 1: husband who, according to police interviews, only dropped off and
Speaker 1: pick up his wife. They drank, watched football, played cards
Speaker 1: against humanity, fun game. Okay, they had photographs and videos
Speaker 1: of her watching the game, smiling, super happy. So guests
Speaker 1: who weren't spending the night began to leave around eleven
Speaker 1: thirty pm, while those who were staying trickled off to
Speaker 1: bed over the next couple couple of hours. She went
Speaker 1: outside to smoke a cigarette on the back porch around
Speaker 1: two am, and the last person to see her was
Speaker 1: Bridget Fuller, who was picked up by her husband at
Speaker 1: one forty seven am. Over the next ten minutes, the
Speaker 1: home security system registered the back door opening, closing, and
Speaker 1: then opening again for the last time at one seven am.
Speaker 1: Around the next morning, Madeline Lombardi, myers aunt, who lived
Speaker 1: at the house, headed kitchen making her cup of coffee
Speaker 1: in the morning and they called. She called just before
Speaker 1: nine am to nine one, and she said she's not
Speaker 1: moving one bit, She's not breathing. She's completely faced down
Speaker 1: in the yard. She is stiff, and Myers and Brera
Speaker 1: are also on the line. The Sheriff's department ruled an
Speaker 1: accident due to acute ethanol intoxication heavily drinking, saying she
Speaker 1: fell off the second story balcony. She was apparently three
Speaker 1: times over the legal limit to drive okay, So the case,
Speaker 1: family and friends are not convinced that this was an accident,
Speaker 1: and they ordered a second independent autopsy because her injuries
Speaker 1: seemed inconsistent with an accident. She had a cut on
Speaker 1: her wrist, which the sheriff says was self inflicted, which
Speaker 1: is odd because that would imply a suicide, and you know,
Speaker 1: that's I don't know, that's just kind of an odd
Speaker 1: statement there. And according to the autopsy, it showed blunt
Speaker 1: force trauma to her head, neck, torso extremities including abrasions
Speaker 1: on the face, four types of hemorrhages in the skull
Speaker 1: and brain, dislocation with the right wrist, and cuts on
Speaker 1: her arms and lay. And the most notable thing was
Speaker 1: that when she was turned over, the fact that she
Speaker 1: had come to rest face down, her head was not
Speaker 1: turned to one side or the other. Her legs were
Speaker 1: found extended behind her with both feet pointing to the right,
Speaker 1: her right arm close to her body. Her left arm
Speaker 1: was found extended and bent at the elbow, and one
Speaker 1: of the fellow party attendees, Stacy Stacy Smith, expressed doubt
Speaker 1: that she could have fallen. She said that she's been
Speaker 1: on the deck a million times, and she said she's looked,
Speaker 1: she's tried, and she was testing a theory that that
Speaker 1: she was drunk and leaned over to vomit but went
Speaker 1: too far, and she said, I just don't understand. So
Speaker 1: then suspicions were raised further in February nineteen, when jose
Speaker 1: the parole officer and boyfriend of the homeowner, was fired
Speaker 1: after he used his position to illegally access the Horseford
Speaker 1: incident report and name record for Myers via the Records
Speaker 1: Management System database a K, questionably tampering with evidence we
Speaker 1: don't know. Later that month, seven of the individuals present
Speaker 1: the night of the incident, including Myers and Brera, sued
Speaker 1: Graves for defamation, pointing to Facebook post accusing them of
Speaker 1: being responsible for her death. So t I A on
Speaker 1: Citty Cent posted about the story, bringing attention to it.
Speaker 1: The case was reignited after um Ahmed are very case
Speaker 1: in Georgia tweeting hashtag justice for tom La. Although I
Speaker 1: will be honest, I never saw this hashtag. I never
Speaker 1: saw it either. I never see it here about the story,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was very odd. Yeah. Also, the
Speaker 1: fact that she was faced down and her head wasn't
Speaker 1: too aside. If you fall off a balcony, you're not
Speaker 1: Your face is not going to be perfectly landed center
Speaker 1: into the concrete unless it's absolutely smashed. Right. I also
Speaker 1: have a question they said so that they said the
Speaker 1: door opened, the security system to the door open closed opened.
Speaker 1: Was that a door on the second story balcony or
Speaker 1: was that down below? The other thing is if she
Speaker 1: fell off the balcony, right, I assume, And this is
Speaker 1: not my area of expertise, obviously, but I assumed she
Speaker 1: would have fallen close to the house. Then they said
Speaker 1: the person the aunt was like making coffee the next
Speaker 1: day and saw her in the yard, which would lead
Speaker 1: me to believe it was further out from the house
Speaker 1: in order to spot it. I don't know obviously what
Speaker 1: the house looks like. But these things that, this stuff
Speaker 1: just doesn't add up to me. Yeah, it doesn't add
Speaker 1: up to me either. Also, nine one was nine one
Speaker 1: one was called fourteen minutes after the people at the
Speaker 1: party found her body. Time seems like who timed it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That that's another weird thing too. Who time do you
Speaker 1: if they're all at the party sticking together? Who time
Speaker 1: the fourteen minutes? Also true? But but also is that
Speaker 1: a long amount of time to wait before calling nine
Speaker 1: one one? If you find someone dead? Absolutely, if I
Speaker 1: found someone dead, I'm calling me within two minutes of like,
Speaker 1: oh ship, they're dead, Okay, let me call the police.
Speaker 1: That's soundly, But I don't think that fourteen minutes really
Speaker 1: matter because whoever knew she was dead knew she was
Speaker 1: dead from the previous night before, right, because this is
Speaker 1: allegedly a murder, because it's just it's just too much
Speaker 1: foul play of It's like the cut on the wrist
Speaker 1: and the risk being broken is like in conjunction to
Speaker 1: someone holding your wrist to and then it's just like
Speaker 1: and then those two men there, it seemed like a setup.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, as an adult, I'm not spending
Speaker 1: the night over nobody's house talking about a sleepover that
Speaker 1: that's odd to me too. It sounds like a setup
Speaker 1: because why are all these people grown as people having
Speaker 1: a sleepover in their forties and and you're going to
Speaker 1: different How big is this house? It sounds like a
Speaker 1: home alone house, Like how do these is this house?
Speaker 1: They all got rooms? Are they sleeping in rooms together? What?
Speaker 1: This don't make no sense? No, and family attorney from
Speaker 1: the law office is a Fernandez and Alvarez said in
Speaker 1: a statement saying that homicide is a strong possibility. It
Speaker 1: appears that she was possibly involved in a struggle and
Speaker 1: potentially that the body had been handled before the police arrived,
Speaker 1: and that the subject is a friend. And they also
Speaker 1: said that when they found her, they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: she was already dead. Her body was stiff, so they
Speaker 1: clearly had touched the body, so already right there. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they lifted her. They've already you know,
Speaker 1: touched the crime scene, so who knows at that point.
Speaker 1: What I also find interesting is I don't know what
Speaker 1: the word this falls. But so the other cases we
Speaker 1: were talking about, the one with the bumble day and stuff,
Speaker 1: no details at all, and this one starts off with
Speaker 1: the what was on her pajamas? What was like? Just
Speaker 1: so much I don't know, like where does that come
Speaker 1: into play here? There seems like there's so much other
Speaker 1: stuff that should be figured out here as opposed to
Speaker 1: distracting us with paw prints on her on her white
Speaker 1: onesie jammies or whatever. Yeah, I mean, I think the
Speaker 1: other thing that's very bizarre again is that they waited
Speaker 1: fourteen minutes, which I mean, in my opinion, could mean
Speaker 1: a variety of different things. But is it that they
Speaker 1: were creating some sort of fake scenario and and putting
Speaker 1: on a big act, Oh my god, what happened? Oh
Speaker 1: you know, pretending that they didn't murder her or you know,
Speaker 1: was everyone justin so much shocked that they couldn't get
Speaker 1: to their phones and this was really an accident, you know,
Speaker 1: everyone was so freaked out. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is an accident or not, obviously, but fourteen
Speaker 1: minutes is a long time to wait. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: never even been with a man who could last fourteen minutes,
Speaker 1: so I'm a little jealous. But you know, some people
Speaker 1: can wait longer than others. All of this happened, I'm
Speaker 1: interested in knowing, like how does how do these people
Speaker 1: normally post on social media? Because they say it was
Speaker 1: a lot of stories of Tammela looking very happy and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and some of the stories and stuff
Speaker 1: because grown adults and having us Are you really doing
Speaker 1: a lot of story especially the ages of these people,
Speaker 1: So are you really posting a lot of stories of
Speaker 1: you guys having fun and stuff? It seems like it
Speaker 1: was premeditated, So I'm just interested to see their their
Speaker 1: social media posting history. Are they the type that always
Speaker 1: show like the memories that they're having in the moments,
Speaker 1: like yeah posting to my story, Oh we're having fun?
Speaker 1: Or did they just do it for this moment, right,
Speaker 1: because this could have been premeditated. It could have been
Speaker 1: this could even bridge off into an affair, and it
Speaker 1: was a it's a confrontation between the husband liking her Tammela,
Speaker 1: and it's like they set the two guys up to bid.
Speaker 1: This could be a whole thing, and it might not
Speaker 1: just have something to do with all of this stuff
Speaker 1: is just accidental, Like why were the two men there?
Speaker 1: Why isn't that being explained because it's so I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure tamb Lou with a bra her husband, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So why is it I don't want
Speaker 1: to show up to a sleepover that I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be all women and two men are there and
Speaker 1: I'm in my pajamas and stuff like that. That might
Speaker 1: be an uncomfortable moment. I'm not saying this is what
Speaker 1: ignited what potentially happened, but also like what is the
Speaker 1: history of a lot of things that's going on, Like
Speaker 1: especially the social media has really bothered me. And what's
Speaker 1: interesting is that the guy said they said that guy
Speaker 1: accessed the files um without permission or whatever, unauthorized and
Speaker 1: then they said the case was reopened in July, but
Speaker 1: then quickly closed to me, right, so you're you're opening
Speaker 1: this case up and then it's closing right away, like
Speaker 1: and I think I feel like the paperwork and stuff
Speaker 1: to open a case again. You open it, you're gonna
Speaker 1: do some stuff, but I haven't shut down right away.
Speaker 1: To me is suspicious. And another thing that's been brought
Speaker 1: to media attention lately is the fact that um black
Speaker 1: women that go missing aren't getting widespread media coverage, and
Speaker 1: especially in these towns that are predominantly white. And that
Speaker 1: particular city in Georgia has a population of eighty percent
Speaker 1: white and four percent black people. So with that being said,
Speaker 1: it's very easy to be dismissive, especially when certain people
Speaker 1: of that twelve know the know the people that's the
Speaker 1: police and all these other other like law enforcement people
Speaker 1: are people that are over the case. Mhm. Absolutely. I
Speaker 1: Also I have another question. Do you think that you
Speaker 1: would hear the sound of a body falling from the balcony?
Speaker 1: It depends on if everybody. I think you would, but
Speaker 1: it depends on how hammered everybody was. But they said
Speaker 1: the aunt lived there, but it doesn't say that the
Speaker 1: aunt was partying with everybody. So I mean it's yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's obviously endless questions. I just think, well,
Speaker 1: I guess it was two am, is what they're saying.
Speaker 1: But if you hear the sound of a body thud someone,
Speaker 1: they're twelve people there, ten people there, No one heard it. Well,
Speaker 1: it could be as I don't know if I can
Speaker 1: stand on that one with you, Leah, because that could
Speaker 1: be a quick fool, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: it's like anything could be. Sometimes you think you here
Speaker 1: something and you're just like going about your business too,
Speaker 1: So it's not it's as as much as like a gunshot,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, something that you know is distinctive,
Speaker 1: especially dependent. And and what's ironic to me too is
Speaker 1: these were all white people. Where the hell was the dog?
Speaker 1: It was no dog around, and they left the door open.
Speaker 1: When the dog go out there and see the body
Speaker 1: and bark. Now, this ship is becoming real suspicious because
Speaker 1: where is the dog? Why don't they have a dog,
Speaker 1: and why isn't the dog barking at a damn body
Speaker 1: or body that's bent over? Because when they left the
Speaker 1: dog out to go use the bathroom, and then they
Speaker 1: said the door, the sliding door opened. Then it closed
Speaker 1: and then it opened, so it left. Why didn't the
Speaker 1: dog go investigate the body? So you're saying that there
Speaker 1: was no dog and that it's to or not. If
Speaker 1: a houseful of white people don't have a dog, then
Speaker 1: it's possible they've been plotting a murder for years because
Speaker 1: to your point, talk to me. I mean, the other
Speaker 1: thing that's interesting is they didn't know it at all
Speaker 1: during this case that they were eating because honestly, white
Speaker 1: people don't know how to cook. Sorry, I eat white
Speaker 1: people food all the time. It's pretty tasty, I know,
Speaker 1: but I don't really consider Jews white. I'm like, now
Speaker 1: I'm off white. There's a difference. Um. Also, you know,
Speaker 1: when you think about the screen door opening and closing
Speaker 1: and opening, it just makes everything even more suspicious. It's, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're someone went in, someone went out on one
Speaker 1: back in, someone's going over the balcony. No one's going
Speaker 1: over the balcony. Someone's getting beat up. Then they're carrying
Speaker 1: her body downstairs, I mean minutes after the last person
Speaker 1: that was leaving that night left. And then how are
Speaker 1: you carherent enough to actually smoke a cigarette but also
Speaker 1: trip over a balcony. So you can actually take in
Speaker 1: light a cigarette because it gets a little nippy at
Speaker 1: night in Georgia. So you actually able to take because
Speaker 1: you know you probably had to do it a couple
Speaker 1: of times. You can do all of this motion, but
Speaker 1: you're too drunk and you follow over a balcony. Now
Speaker 1: that's not adding up either. Where's the cigarette? The cigarette
Speaker 1: can tell a lot of tale. Was the cigarette still
Speaker 1: on the balcony? Was it down below where she felt?
Speaker 1: Where was the cigarette? I'm gonna not agree with this
Speaker 1: one only because in my drinking days I was a
Speaker 1: proet literally everything when I was drunk. So but did
Speaker 1: you ever fall to your death? Not that we know of,
Speaker 1: unless this is heaven or hell. I mean, we don't
Speaker 1: know where I'm gonna end up or prison? Should I
Speaker 1: be so lucky? You guys. It's time to wrap up
Speaker 1: with some final thoughts before we close for today. Dmitri
Speaker 1: deef Nique, any final thoughts for us about anything at all?
Speaker 1: The meaning of life? I feel like we did a
Speaker 1: nice job of raising a lot of questions, um with
Speaker 1: some of these cases, because, like we said with the
Speaker 1: Brian Lonry thing, we don't like when there's not closure
Speaker 1: on these things. Right, and I think some so many
Speaker 1: of these cases seem to be lacking simple questions that
Speaker 1: we came up with, and so I think it's It's
Speaker 1: a nice obviously, it was a nice conversation with both
Speaker 1: of you to to go through these things and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: what's up with this stuff? And hopefully you know what.
Speaker 1: I know this isn't TikTok, but maybe someone's going to
Speaker 1: hear this and kind of raise these questions and we
Speaker 1: can get some so right, we don't like being literally
Speaker 1: ghosted on a case. We need closure And that was
Speaker 1: such a stupid but I'm sure I feel it was
Speaker 1: fitty Thank you. I wanted to say. My final cases
Speaker 1: would be to all the Black listeners out there, be
Speaker 1: careful when you're around your white friends and you're drinking tequila,
Speaker 1: be very careful. Maybe drink vodka or wine or Hennessy
Speaker 1: or something like that, but tequila and hanging with white
Speaker 1: people just don't mix. The more you know, the more
Speaker 1: you know, well technique. It has been so lovely. It's
Speaker 1: such a treat having you on the podcast today. Where
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Speaker 1: give us our our two cents on ah. I have
Speaker 1: usually one cent and Dmitri has combine. We can come
Speaker 1: up with two all two cents today We're just we're
Speaker 1: kind of empty handed today, so I appreciate that technic.
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