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Speaker 1: Hello, Social Sleuths, Welcome back to a real time crime.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Leo Lamar, and today we'll be discussing

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Speaker 1: the Laurence smith Fields ruling, Brian Laundry's confession, tam La Harsford,

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Speaker 1: a woman threatening to bring guns to school if a

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Speaker 1: child has to wear a mask, and more. Okay, you guys,

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Speaker 1: I just want to let you know Teddy is still

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Speaker 1: on vacation. We are very jealous, aren't we. Dmitri must

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Speaker 1: must be nice. I think she hasn't recovered from the

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Speaker 1: Fannie Pack mishap, so she's looking for it. We've upgraded

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Speaker 1: sometimes Dmitri to just regular Dimitri, almost regular Dmitri. But

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Speaker 1: lucky for us, we have a guest host today who's

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Speaker 1: a dear friend of mine, and she's absolutely hilarious as

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Speaker 1: a sketch performer, actress, stand up comedian. You may know

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Speaker 1: her from a very long list of credits, and I'm

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Speaker 1: just still learning how to read so I can name

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Speaker 1: a few of them. How I Met Your Mother, Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Kimmel Live the comedy Get Down. She's featured for Martin Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: She's toured with Cat Williams. She's the winner of the

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Speaker 1: she Devil Festival in the American Black Film Festival Comedy

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Speaker 1: Wings competition, which was sponsored by HBO, and she's performed

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Speaker 1: at jfl's New Faces. It's Technique Springs. What's up everybody

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Speaker 1: out there? Hey Leah, Hey to Matre Technique. First of all,

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Speaker 1: let me just say, I think you're the only person

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Speaker 1: to ever come on this podcast and wear a color,

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Speaker 1: so thank you so much. Um, we always wear this

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Speaker 1: black or white. It's very bleak. I think that's a

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Speaker 1: I love to look like I can talk at night

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Speaker 1: and the and just show up at the party and

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Speaker 1: also look like I work at a place. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I will say that. When I came onto the pod

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Speaker 1: this morning, the first thing I said is no one

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Speaker 1: commented on the fact that I'm not wearing a black

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Speaker 1: But also you said it in the first like three seconds,

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Speaker 1: like the thing the camera popped on and she goes,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe no one said anything. Who well, I

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Speaker 1: just need as much attention as possible, you know that.

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Speaker 1: I think the first crime we can address today, by

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Speaker 1: the way, is how I drew my eyebrows on, but

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Speaker 1: we can get to that later. You know. It's like

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Speaker 1: they say, they should be sisters, not twins, but they

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be like two different species. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: I've done here anyway, Technique, Hello, thank you for coming

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Speaker 1: on today. Um, so just give us We'll give us

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Speaker 1: us a little backstory about how we met. Did we

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Speaker 1: Did we meet during the pandemic? Yeah? We pandemic meters.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, this might be one of the only relationships

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Speaker 1: You could just last on regular friendships or pandemic just

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Speaker 1: dating was just horrible. Yeah. So this is what it's

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Speaker 1: like to meet someone and not hook up with them.

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Speaker 1: How dare you to get I'm hurt. I'm hurt, Um officer,

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Speaker 1: please arrest this man. Okay. So, yeah, we met during

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Speaker 1: the pandemic. Uh, Tephany, you dazzled me with your comedic

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Speaker 1: abilities immediately. You're hilarious. Okay. Also questions for you, do

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Speaker 1: you have any true crime cases that you love or

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Speaker 1: anything that you think is booming right now that you're

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Speaker 1: super interested in I look. I love the show snapped. Um,

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Speaker 1: just in case I've ever put in this situation where

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Speaker 1: I have to kill somebody, I want to see all

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Speaker 1: the things that people are doing wrong, so I make

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Speaker 1: sure that I don't do the wrong thing, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's a way of getting in

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Speaker 1: the mind of crime, just in case you ever have

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Speaker 1: so that I could be prepared for every situation. Well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I've already proposed that it's best that if women

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Speaker 1: killed naked, because one of the major rules is you

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Speaker 1: should never kill somebody when they have their back turn

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Speaker 1: to you. They always have to be forcing facing you.

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Speaker 1: So in order to continue lee get that those eyes

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Speaker 1: because people just can't think about it. You can't keep

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Speaker 1: to stop sleeping in pajamas, is what you're saying. All right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: good one, Thank you for the hot tip. Love that. Okay. Also,

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Speaker 1: do see a lot of true crime on TikTok as well,

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Speaker 1: about your TikTok experience. My first TikTok was just basically

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Speaker 1: giving national exposure to things that we would have overlooked,

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Speaker 1: which is one of the cases we're talking about today. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and we first noticed it during the Gabby Petito Brian

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Speaker 1: I have thirty six thousand followers, and I know, I know,

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Speaker 1: on TikTok. Same for me because the TikTok I'm at

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Speaker 1: So you can't here is so hard because you know

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Speaker 1: your following life. Thirty six thousand, that's a lot of followers.

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Speaker 1: some hot topics for to day. And this is a

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Speaker 1: TikTok murder, well, a murderer allegedly, oh boy, alleged, this

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Speaker 1: other bad boys. Yes, precisely. Okay, So he's been accused

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Speaker 1: of murdering his wife and also another man. Ali bou

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Speaker 1: of make it like show that you're angry. Right, that's

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Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do if you're trying to get

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Speaker 1: guys keep coming back for sex. They're just like, she's

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Speaker 1: and then rumors are starting that you're crazy. You want

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Speaker 1: Nine eleven joke. It's at the Comedy Seller and he

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Speaker 1: talks about how he gets expelled from school, and his

424
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Speaker 1: dad was a straight up mafia boss and walks into

425
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Speaker 1: the principles of and basically just threatens the principle so

426
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Speaker 1: that he doesn't get expelled from school. He gets unexpelled

427
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Speaker 1: from school. And I'm like, you know, I kind of

428
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: wish I had a parent like that, just someone who

429
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Speaker 1: really had my back. You know, some time threats for

430
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Speaker 1: me just no one. No one threatened people for me.

431
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: So I don't really feel like I was loved. I

432
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: feel like you just didn't get in trouble. So what

433
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Speaker 1: was the threaten? That's correct, Like Liam might have been

434
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Speaker 1: a bully, The threats came from inside that person. You

435
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Speaker 1: know what's so funny for some out call the cops.

436
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Speaker 1: You like, you know what if you can call Lob,

437
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Speaker 1: I can't even stand up for you. Yeah, I was.

438
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: I was the Karen in my own household. Uh no,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was actually a really good kid. I

440
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: was very afraid of my parents, and so I never

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Speaker 1: wanted to do anything wrong. And now I just feel

442
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Speaker 1: like that's why I'm so rebellious as an adult. I

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Speaker 1: wish I had gotten it out in my teens. I

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Speaker 1: wish I'd gone to jail as a kid just for

445
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Speaker 1: one night, so I could have just been like a

446
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Speaker 1: normal adult. I don't never wish to go to jail.

447
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Speaker 1: You know who says I wish I'd going to jail

448
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: as a kid, someone that's never been to jail. Okay,

449
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: because I've been and I don't want to go back.

450
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: I did to jail, and the thing that bothered me.

451
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: I went to County jail. I did twelve hours hard time.

452
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: And the thing that bothered me the mooast about there

453
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Speaker 1: is that when they searching your food, they gave you

454
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Speaker 1: a bologney sandwich, and they gave you cookies, and they

455
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: gave you mashed potatoes, which is not a complete meal,

456
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 1: but they will put all this on a wet food trade.

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00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: So imagine the bread absorbing the water, the cookies absorbing

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Speaker 1: the water, and the mashed potatoes rejecting the water. It

459
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: was just a recipe for disaster. It was enough for

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Speaker 1: me to never want to go back. If the food

461
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: was good, I could go back to jail because I

462
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: feel like I'll get a lot of righting done. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So just to be clear, what's at the RECIPI in

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Speaker 1: twelve hours hard time, in twelve hours soft time, um,

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Speaker 1: twelve hours, twelve hours, hard, hard times. I stayed up

466
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Speaker 1: all night like this, but nobody better touch me. And

467
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: people was like, hey, we only in here for a

468
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Speaker 1: day two. I'm like yeah, but I gotta watch my back.

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Speaker 1: Never like, uh, no one cares. Yeah, They're like, we're

470
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: just in the drunk tank. Could you come down? Pretty much? Pretty?

471
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: But I got in a fight with my boyfriend. It

472
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: was people. It wasn't me. I was actually disturbing the piece.

473
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Speaker 1: But somebody else had gotten in a fight with their boyfriend. Uh,

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Speaker 1: somebody did wrote some bad check, so it wasn't it

475
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: was none. And there we ten feet outside our ex

476
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Speaker 1: boyfriend's house when we got caught by the police. No,

477
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Speaker 1: this is me, uh talking crap to a police officer,

478
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Speaker 1: and she showed me that she was a police officer.

479
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: She really had no real grounds to arrest me because

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00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: I just basically was heckling a police officer and she

481
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: was like, oh you want to hecklely. She was like,

482
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Speaker 1: do you like bologna sandwiches, cookies and mashed potatoes because

483
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Speaker 1: we can go and you're like, let's do it. Wow,

484
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Speaker 1: No greens, I noticed and that meal hump, No, that's

485
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Speaker 1: why everybody in jail got a fat ass? Damn Well,

486
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: don't let the secret out. There gonna be a lot

487
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: of women suddenly lining up to get in. So instead

488
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: of going to Dominican republica yeah, instead of instead of

489
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Speaker 1: getting as implants, they're like, I heard you get a

490
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: really fat assim jail just a line of white women. Okay,

491
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: so cats out of the back. Wait, So Dechnique, why

492
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: did you go to jail? Like did you no? No?

493
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: Like did she like randomly did you start shipped on

494
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: the street or did you pull you over? No? Starting something? Walking?

495
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: I was walking. I gotta rested walking. So basically, it's

496
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Speaker 1: a big, real street in Miffis, Tennessee. And it was

497
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: this black guy out there, and I thought I was

498
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: gonna be an advocate for him. He had a big

499
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Speaker 1: snake and it was snake. No, it was it was

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Speaker 1: an actual real reps out a snake, right, And I

501
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: mean that would be cool that there was a cold like, no,

502
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Speaker 1: let him have this preps out out. No, But he

503
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: had the snake and people were taking pictures with the snake,

504
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: and the police officer came up and she was talking

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Speaker 1: to him very rude, especially for him. To be a

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Speaker 1: black entrepreneur and him out there having business and a

507
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: business savviness. I just felt like a caring and I

508
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: should stand up for this man. And I was like,

509
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Speaker 1: she was like, get that ship off the street, and

510
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,239
Speaker 1: I was like, you don't need to talk to him

511
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Speaker 1: like that. And next thing I know, she grabbed my

512
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Speaker 1: wrist like this. She said, oh, you want to be

513
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: another people's business and I was like, And she made

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Speaker 1: me sit in the cops squad car so that I

515
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Speaker 1: went to jail. Because see, if she would have just

516
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Speaker 1: took me immediately, I wouldn't have went to jail, but

517
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Speaker 1: because um she uh, she made me sit in the

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Speaker 1: car until after midnight, I couldn't get out until later

519
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Speaker 1: that day, so I did twelve hours. Yeah, I mean,

520
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: are you really a comedian if you've never been arrested?

521
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: You know? Okay, so I'm not a comedian yet, is

522
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say. So everyone better watch out

523
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: because I'm on one all right. Time for us to

524
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: move on to the next case. And this obviously hits

525
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: very close to home because this is how we started

526
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Speaker 1: the podcast. Our very first episode ever was based off

527
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: of this case. And this is how the entire podcast

528
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: came to Fruition was through the Brian Laundry Gabby Potito case,

529
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: and we finally have a resolution thanks to forensic work

530
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: as sleuths continued to push for evidence to be released.

531
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Speaker 1: And now we know what was in the mysterious notebook

532
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: that Brian Laundry had which was submerged in water in

533
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: the swamp in the depths of Florida for weeks. And

534
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: they did find a handwritten confession in the notebook, and

535
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: and he is the killer of Gabby Petito. So the

536
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: FBI issued a statement last week confirming that he admitted

537
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: to killing his girlfriend in his suicide note before fatally

538
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: shooting himself in the head. Who okay, Um, you know,

539
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: this case obviously rattled a lot of people for a

540
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: variety of reasons, and this was very needed and necessary

541
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: to have a resolution because for so long we just

542
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: had alleged thoughts that he was the murderer. Even though

543
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 1: he committed suicide, he was probably the last person with her,

544
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: We didn't really know what was going on. And so

545
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: I'm glad we have closure on this case. And when

546
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: the evidence containing Brian's phone, gun, and no book were found,

547
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: it seemed inevitable that they would finally have answers in

548
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: the case, said the detective. And they found cell phones,

549
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: laptop ops. They're all amazing investigative tools because obviously people

550
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: use them for communication. And it was a telltale sign

551
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: that he was pretending that she was still alive and

552
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: giving the impression to people that you know, she was

553
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: still on Instagram and she was still communicating with family

554
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 1: that way. So everything that we actually thought was right,

555
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 1: and it sometimes it doesn't feel good to be right,

556
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: and this is probably the only time that it doesn't

557
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: feel good to be right. Um, do you think that

558
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: this gives us true closure on this case? And what

559
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: do you think happens next? I think what happens next

560
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: is that it does give us closure because when especially

561
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: when something makes such widespread media, it's like you get

562
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: invested into the story and being invested in the store,

563
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: you want to see that closure and also moving forward

564
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: as someone who would or would not potentially be a

565
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: future criminal. I would never write on paper tell me

566
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: you watch snapped without telling me you watch snapped. Don't

567
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: write in a notebook. I mean, I'll say I wanted

568
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: to close this. This was my problem. We found out

569
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: he was dead because I wanted closure from him, So

570
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: I was I was irritated by that because I didn't

571
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: like that he took the easy way out, and this

572
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: is this is closure. This isn't closure for a TV

573
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: generation who watched these true crime things and you get

574
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: to know every detail of what happened and what unrivaled.

575
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: So in that respect, no, we we don't have that,

576
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: but we do have, like you said, our suspicions confirmed

577
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: that he did do it um or didn't do It's

578
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,959
Speaker 1: a it's crazy too without actually having the actual person

579
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: alive to tell the story and actually admit to it.

580
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: Then you wonder if there's some weird conspiracy that we'll

581
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: find out ten years later that somebody said him up

582
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: to commit suicide and make that a store. You see

583
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it's just really like you said,

584
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: it's the easy way out and doesn't give us school

585
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: closure because what if it was somebody to actually murdered

586
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: both of them. I know that's not it, but you

587
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: never know. Well that's one theory. The other theory, conspiracy theory,

588
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: would be what if he's not dead, started that sticking

589
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: to it, found his body or Canada? Well, they found

590
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: a skull bones consistent remains consistent with the DNA of

591
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: Brian laundry. Although they never really told us what they found.

592
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: They I think they said like partial skull, partial, this

593
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: partial that teeth. We weren't really sure. And when when

594
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: people are loose with details, it I feel like there's

595
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: always a reason why. You know, it's because it feels

596
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: like you're hiding something or there's some sort of secret.

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00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: It's like the Jeffrey Epstein story to like remember with

598
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: his suicidal doesn't even have any final thoughts before we

599
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: get outle onto our next case. I'm really sorry for

600
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: staying skit attle. I just it was right there. I

601
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: get it. I just hope that you know, the family

602
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: is able to heal because these types of people don't

603
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: understand about crime. It has long lasting effects on people,

604
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: so then it also it hurts them in the inside.

605
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: But also they're not the person there used they used

606
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: to be, so then that hurt can kind of trickle

607
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 1: down to their children and other people in their life,

608
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: and it could just be a whole disaster because in

609
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: the past, we've seen parents lose a child and because

610
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: they lose that child, their their marriage, they actually ends

611
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: in divorce because of all the tragic stuff of the

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00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: shutar kuld of wood is and what if and why

613
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: didn't we see the signs and it it can just

614
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: really be a heavy weight on the family. Yeah. Absolutely,

615
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: And okay, guys, we're gonna take a quick break before

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Speaker 1: we go to our last case for today. We will

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Speaker 1: b rb I gotta stop saying b RP and welcome

618
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: back to real time crime. I just like for everyone

619
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: to know that I did not have a coffee today,

620
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: even though it is approximately one pm, and that is

621
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: because I forgot to go to Trader Joe's yesterday. So

622
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: this is on me and I have no one to

623
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: blame but myself. But this is also why I somehow

624
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: forgot how to read. Anyway, let's move on. Tell tell

625
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: me you're a white girl in a white turtleneck without

626
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: telling me I didn't have coffee because I didn't get

627
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: a chance to get a Trader Joe's yesterday. Holy crap.

628
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm really today, all right, I didn't get

629
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: to go to Trader Joe's for ariwan, It's just all right.

630
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 1: I If anyone does want to split an Arajuan membership

631
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: with me, though, please damn me. I'm all for it's

632
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Speaker 1: on each and we get ten percent off. I ever receie.

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00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, it's a deal. Tell me you're

634
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 1: Jewish without telling me you're Jewish. Okay, guys, this next

635
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: case was actually the suggestion from our voicemail from last week.

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Speaker 1: And I'm so glad that this case was brought to

637
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: our attention because it deserves more attention. I hadn't even

638
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: heard about it. This is the Tamla Horsford case. Okay. So,

639
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: Tamla was a forty year old mother of five from Commings, Georgia.

640
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: She was born in St. Vincent and the Granadines in

641
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: and then her family moved to the Bronx in. I

642
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: love a New York girl and she was the life

643
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: of the party. She liked to laugh, dan's have fun.

644
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: She was a bright, shining light. Okay. So obviously we

645
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: know there was a mystery around her death and in

646
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: Forsyth County, in the city of Commings, Georgia, on November four,

647
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: her body was discovered dead at the homeowner's boyfriend in

648
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: her friend's backyard after a quote adult sleepover slash birthday

649
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: party with quote other football moms. She arrived at the

650
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: party around eight thirty pm, and she ride with the

651
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: bottle of tequila. I'm seeing a lot of through lines

652
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: with bottles of tequila. Do people just need to stop

653
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: drinking tequila? Yeah, it sounds like the potential um. She

654
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: arrived with a bottle of tequila, a small overnight bag,

655
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: and changed into white onesie pajamas covered in paw prints

656
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: shortly after she got there. Cute. The party held the

657
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: evening of number November was originally meant to be all women,

658
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: but Myers's boyfriend, Jose Errera, and Tom Smith, the husband

659
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: of another attendee, ended up sticking around okay in the end.

660
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: The group who advocates for Horseford would later be dubbed

661
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: the Foresight twelve, including nine women, two men, and one

662
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: husband who, according to police interviews, only dropped off and

663
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: pick up his wife. They drank, watched football, played cards

664
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: against humanity, fun game. Okay, they had photographs and videos

665
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 1: of her watching the game, smiling, super happy. So guests

666
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: who weren't spending the night began to leave around eleven

667
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: thirty pm, while those who were staying trickled off to

668
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: bed over the next couple couple of hours. She went

669
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: outside to smoke a cigarette on the back porch around

670
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Speaker 1: two am, and the last person to see her was

671
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: Bridget Fuller, who was picked up by her husband at

672
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: one forty seven am. Over the next ten minutes, the

673
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: home security system registered the back door opening, closing, and

674
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: then opening again for the last time at one seven am.

675
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: Around the next morning, Madeline Lombardi, myers aunt, who lived

676
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: at the house, headed kitchen making her cup of coffee

677
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: in the morning and they called. She called just before

678
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: nine am to nine one, and she said she's not

679
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: moving one bit, She's not breathing. She's completely faced down

680
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: in the yard. She is stiff, and Myers and Brera

681
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: are also on the line. The Sheriff's department ruled an

682
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: accident due to acute ethanol intoxication heavily drinking, saying she

683
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: fell off the second story balcony. She was apparently three

684
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: times over the legal limit to drive okay, So the case,

685
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: family and friends are not convinced that this was an accident,

686
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: and they ordered a second independent autopsy because her injuries

687
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: seemed inconsistent with an accident. She had a cut on

688
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: her wrist, which the sheriff says was self inflicted, which

689
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: is odd because that would imply a suicide, and you know,

690
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: that's I don't know, that's just kind of an odd

691
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: statement there. And according to the autopsy, it showed blunt

692
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: force trauma to her head, neck, torso extremities including abrasions

693
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: on the face, four types of hemorrhages in the skull

694
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: and brain, dislocation with the right wrist, and cuts on

695
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: her arms and lay. And the most notable thing was

696
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: that when she was turned over, the fact that she

697
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: had come to rest face down, her head was not

698
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: turned to one side or the other. Her legs were

699
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: found extended behind her with both feet pointing to the right,

700
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: her right arm close to her body. Her left arm

701
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: was found extended and bent at the elbow, and one

702
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: of the fellow party attendees, Stacy Stacy Smith, expressed doubt

703
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: that she could have fallen. She said that she's been

704
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: on the deck a million times, and she said she's looked,

705
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: she's tried, and she was testing a theory that that

706
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: she was drunk and leaned over to vomit but went

707
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: too far, and she said, I just don't understand. So

708
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: then suspicions were raised further in February nineteen, when jose

709
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 1: the parole officer and boyfriend of the homeowner, was fired

710
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: after he used his position to illegally access the Horseford

711
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: incident report and name record for Myers via the Records

712
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: Management System database a K, questionably tampering with evidence we

713
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: don't know. Later that month, seven of the individuals present

714
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: the night of the incident, including Myers and Brera, sued

715
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: Graves for defamation, pointing to Facebook post accusing them of

716
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: being responsible for her death. So t I A on

717
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: Citty Cent posted about the story, bringing attention to it.

718
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: The case was reignited after um Ahmed are very case

719
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: in Georgia tweeting hashtag justice for tom La. Although I

720
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: will be honest, I never saw this hashtag. I never

721
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: saw it either. I never see it here about the story,

722
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: and I thought it was very odd. Yeah. Also, the

723
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: fact that she was faced down and her head wasn't

724
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: too aside. If you fall off a balcony, you're not

725
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: Your face is not going to be perfectly landed center

726
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: into the concrete unless it's absolutely smashed. Right. I also

727
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: have a question they said so that they said the

728
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: door opened, the security system to the door open closed opened.

729
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: Was that a door on the second story balcony or

730
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: was that down below? The other thing is if she

731
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: fell off the balcony, right, I assume, And this is

732
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: not my area of expertise, obviously, but I assumed she

733
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: would have fallen close to the house. Then they said

734
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: the person the aunt was like making coffee the next

735
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: day and saw her in the yard, which would lead

736
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: me to believe it was further out from the house

737
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: in order to spot it. I don't know obviously what

738
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 1: the house looks like. But these things that, this stuff

739
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: just doesn't add up to me. Yeah, it doesn't add

740
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: up to me either. Also, nine one was nine one

741
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: one was called fourteen minutes after the people at the

742
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: party found her body. Time seems like who timed it? Yeah?

743
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: That that's another weird thing too. Who time do you

744
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 1: if they're all at the party sticking together? Who time

745
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: the fourteen minutes? Also true? But but also is that

746
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: a long amount of time to wait before calling nine

747
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: one one? If you find someone dead? Absolutely, if I

748
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: found someone dead, I'm calling me within two minutes of like,

749
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: oh ship, they're dead, Okay, let me call the police.

750
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: That's soundly, But I don't think that fourteen minutes really

751
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: matter because whoever knew she was dead knew she was

752
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: dead from the previous night before, right, because this is

753
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: allegedly a murder, because it's just it's just too much

754
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: foul play of It's like the cut on the wrist

755
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: and the risk being broken is like in conjunction to

756
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: someone holding your wrist to and then it's just like

757
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: and then those two men there, it seemed like a setup.

758
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, as an adult, I'm not spending

759
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: the night over nobody's house talking about a sleepover that

760
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: that's odd to me too. It sounds like a setup

761
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: because why are all these people grown as people having

762
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: a sleepover in their forties and and you're going to

763
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: different How big is this house? It sounds like a

764
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: home alone house, Like how do these is this house?

765
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: They all got rooms? Are they sleeping in rooms together? What?

766
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: This don't make no sense? No, and family attorney from

767
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: the law office is a Fernandez and Alvarez said in

768
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: a statement saying that homicide is a strong possibility. It

769
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: appears that she was possibly involved in a struggle and

770
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 1: potentially that the body had been handled before the police arrived,

771
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: and that the subject is a friend. And they also

772
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: said that when they found her, they were like, oh,

773
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: she was already dead. Her body was stiff, so they

774
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: clearly had touched the body, so already right there. I

775
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: don't know if they lifted her. They've already you know,

776
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: touched the crime scene, so who knows at that point.

777
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: What I also find interesting is I don't know what

778
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: the word this falls. But so the other cases we

779
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: were talking about, the one with the bumble day and stuff,

780
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: no details at all, and this one starts off with

781
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: the what was on her pajamas? What was like? Just

782
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: so much I don't know, like where does that come

783
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: into play here? There seems like there's so much other

784
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: stuff that should be figured out here as opposed to

785
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: distracting us with paw prints on her on her white

786
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: onesie jammies or whatever. Yeah, I mean, I think the

787
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: other thing that's very bizarre again is that they waited

788
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: fourteen minutes, which I mean, in my opinion, could mean

789
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: a variety of different things. But is it that they

790
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: were creating some sort of fake scenario and and putting

791
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: on a big act, Oh my god, what happened? Oh

792
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: you know, pretending that they didn't murder her or you know,

793
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: was everyone justin so much shocked that they couldn't get

794
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: to their phones and this was really an accident, you know,

795
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: everyone was so freaked out. I mean, I don't know

796
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: if this is an accident or not, obviously, but fourteen

797
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: minutes is a long time to wait. I mean, I've

798
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: never even been with a man who could last fourteen minutes,

799
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: so I'm a little jealous. But you know, some people

800
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 1: can wait longer than others. All of this happened, I'm

801
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: interested in knowing, like how does how do these people

802
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: normally post on social media? Because they say it was

803
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: a lot of stories of Tammela looking very happy and

804
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and some of the stories and stuff

805
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: because grown adults and having us Are you really doing

806
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: a lot of story especially the ages of these people,

807
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: So are you really posting a lot of stories of

808
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: you guys having fun and stuff? It seems like it

809
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: was premeditated, So I'm just interested to see their their

810
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 1: social media posting history. Are they the type that always

811
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: show like the memories that they're having in the moments,

812
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: like yeah posting to my story, Oh we're having fun?

813
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: Or did they just do it for this moment, right,

814
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: because this could have been premeditated. It could have been

815
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: this could even bridge off into an affair, and it

816
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: was a it's a confrontation between the husband liking her Tammela,

817
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: and it's like they set the two guys up to bid.

818
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: This could be a whole thing, and it might not

819
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: just have something to do with all of this stuff

820
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: is just accidental, Like why were the two men there?

821
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: Why isn't that being explained because it's so I'm pretty

822
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: sure tamb Lou with a bra her husband, you know

823
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: what I mean. So why is it I don't want

824
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: to show up to a sleepover that I think it's

825
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: gonna be all women and two men are there and

826
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm in my pajamas and stuff like that. That might

827
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: be an uncomfortable moment. I'm not saying this is what

828
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: ignited what potentially happened, but also like what is the

829
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: history of a lot of things that's going on, Like

830
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: especially the social media has really bothered me. And what's

831
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: interesting is that the guy said they said that guy

832
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: accessed the files um without permission or whatever, unauthorized and

833
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: then they said the case was reopened in July, but

834
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: then quickly closed to me, right, so you're you're opening

835
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: this case up and then it's closing right away, like

836
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: and I think I feel like the paperwork and stuff

837
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: to open a case again. You open it, you're gonna

838
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: do some stuff, but I haven't shut down right away.

839
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: To me is suspicious. And another thing that's been brought

840
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: to media attention lately is the fact that um black

841
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: women that go missing aren't getting widespread media coverage, and

842
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: especially in these towns that are predominantly white. And that

843
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: particular city in Georgia has a population of eighty percent

844
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: white and four percent black people. So with that being said,

845
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: it's very easy to be dismissive, especially when certain people

846
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: of that twelve know the know the people that's the

847
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: police and all these other other like law enforcement people

848
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Speaker 1: are people that are over the case. Mhm. Absolutely. I

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Speaker 1: Also I have another question. Do you think that you

850
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Speaker 1: would hear the sound of a body falling from the balcony?

851
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Speaker 1: It depends on if everybody. I think you would, but

852
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: it depends on how hammered everybody was. But they said

853
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: the aunt lived there, but it doesn't say that the

854
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: aunt was partying with everybody. So I mean it's yeah.

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00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 1: I mean, there's obviously endless questions. I just think, well,

856
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Speaker 1: I guess it was two am, is what they're saying.

857
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Speaker 1: But if you hear the sound of a body thud someone,

858
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: they're twelve people there, ten people there, No one heard it. Well,

859
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: it could be as I don't know if I can

860
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: stand on that one with you, Leah, because that could

861
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: be a quick fool, you know what I mean. And

862
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: it's like anything could be. Sometimes you think you here

863
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Speaker 1: something and you're just like going about your business too,

864
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Speaker 1: So it's not it's as as much as like a gunshot,

865
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, something that you know is distinctive,

866
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Speaker 1: especially dependent. And and what's ironic to me too is

867
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Speaker 1: these were all white people. Where the hell was the dog?

868
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: It was no dog around, and they left the door open.

869
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 1: When the dog go out there and see the body

870
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: and bark. Now, this ship is becoming real suspicious because

871
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: where is the dog? Why don't they have a dog,

872
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: and why isn't the dog barking at a damn body

873
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: or body that's bent over? Because when they left the

874
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: dog out to go use the bathroom, and then they

875
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: said the door, the sliding door opened. Then it closed

876
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: and then it opened, so it left. Why didn't the

877
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: dog go investigate the body? So you're saying that there

878
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: was no dog and that it's to or not. If

879
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: a houseful of white people don't have a dog, then

880
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: it's possible they've been plotting a murder for years because

881
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: to your point, talk to me. I mean, the other

882
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: thing that's interesting is they didn't know it at all

883
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: during this case that they were eating because honestly, white

884
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: people don't know how to cook. Sorry, I eat white

885
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: people food all the time. It's pretty tasty, I know,

886
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: but I don't really consider Jews white. I'm like, now

887
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm off white. There's a difference. Um. Also, you know,

888
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: when you think about the screen door opening and closing

889
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: and opening, it just makes everything even more suspicious. It's, yeah,

890
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: you're you're someone went in, someone went out on one

891
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: back in, someone's going over the balcony. No one's going

892
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: over the balcony. Someone's getting beat up. Then they're carrying

893
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: her body downstairs, I mean minutes after the last person

894
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: that was leaving that night left. And then how are

895
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: you carherent enough to actually smoke a cigarette but also

896
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: trip over a balcony. So you can actually take in

897
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: light a cigarette because it gets a little nippy at

898
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: night in Georgia. So you actually able to take because

899
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: you know you probably had to do it a couple

900
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: of times. You can do all of this motion, but

901
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: you're too drunk and you follow over a balcony. Now

902
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: that's not adding up either. Where's the cigarette? The cigarette

903
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: can tell a lot of tale. Was the cigarette still

904
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: on the balcony? Was it down below where she felt?

905
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: Where was the cigarette? I'm gonna not agree with this

906
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: one only because in my drinking days I was a

907
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: proet literally everything when I was drunk. So but did

908
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: you ever fall to your death? Not that we know of,

909
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: unless this is heaven or hell. I mean, we don't

910
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: know where I'm gonna end up or prison? Should I

911
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: be so lucky? You guys. It's time to wrap up

912
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: with some final thoughts before we close for today. Dmitri

913
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: deef Nique, any final thoughts for us about anything at all?

914
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: The meaning of life? I feel like we did a

915
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: nice job of raising a lot of questions, um with

916
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: some of these cases, because, like we said with the

917
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 1: Brian Lonry thing, we don't like when there's not closure

918
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: on these things. Right, and I think some so many

919
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: of these cases seem to be lacking simple questions that

920
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: we came up with, and so I think it's It's

921
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: a nice obviously, it was a nice conversation with both

922
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: of you to to go through these things and be like, hey,

923
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: what's up with this stuff? And hopefully you know what.

924
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: I know this isn't TikTok, but maybe someone's going to

925
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: hear this and kind of raise these questions and we

926
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: can get some so right, we don't like being literally

927
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: ghosted on a case. We need closure And that was

928
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Speaker 1: such a stupid but I'm sure I feel it was

929
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Speaker 1: fitty Thank you. I wanted to say. My final cases

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Speaker 1: would be to all the Black listeners out there, be

931
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Speaker 1: careful when you're around your white friends and you're drinking tequila,

932
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Speaker 1: be very careful. Maybe drink vodka or wine or Hennessy

933
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Speaker 1: or something like that, but tequila and hanging with white

934
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Speaker 1: people just don't mix. The more you know, the more

935
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Speaker 1: you know, well technique. It has been so lovely. It's

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Speaker 1: such a treat having you on the podcast today. Where

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942
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Speaker 1: give us our our two cents on ah. I have

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Speaker 1: usually one cent and Dmitri has combine. We can come

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Speaker 1: up with two all two cents today We're just we're

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Speaker 1: kind of empty handed today, so I appreciate that technic.

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Speaker 1: I'm a silver Linings guy. And if the pandemic brought

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Speaker 1: us anything, at least it it introduced you to So Okay,

956
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Speaker 1: you guys, we love you. Stay safe out there, See

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Speaker 1: you next week. Bye bye. It's real time rad real

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