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Speaker 2: But Christal, how do you think that we should think
Speaker 2: about said debate before we go into it? How should
Speaker 2: the people out there be preparing themselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've got to cover from all angles. We
Speaker 1: want to start here with the basics of just literally
Speaker 1: who is going to be on the stage, who has qualified,
Speaker 1: Who's going to be on the stage for this first
Speaker 1: debate which is being hosted by Fox News.
Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and throw our graphic.
Speaker 1: Up on the screen where we can reveal these are
Speaker 1: the faces of the individuals who qualified. Now, one very
Speaker 1: important caveat here. Former President Trump obviously has said he
Speaker 1: will not participate in debates, leaving it open that he
Speaker 1: is unlikely to participate in any of the debates. So
Speaker 1: the eight candidates who actually qualified are Trump, DeSantis, Vivik Ramaswami,
Speaker 1: Mike Pence, Nikky Haley, Chris Christy, Tim Scott, Asa Hutchinson,
Speaker 1: and Doug Burghum. So there were a few extras who
Speaker 1: sort of like claimed they qualified, but RNC was lego.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to qualify. None of those
Speaker 1: individuals are going to be on the stage. Let's just
Speaker 1: go based on the polling, tier by tier who's going
Speaker 1: to be up there, because maybe some of you don't
Speaker 1: know all of these individuals, a few of them we've
Speaker 1: actually interviewed here quite interestingly, Let's put up what is
Speaker 1: considered based on the polling again, the sort of top
Speaker 1: tier of contenders. So for this one, we obviously have
Speaker 1: Governor Rond De Santis, governor of Florida. He is right now,
Speaker 1: according to the Real Clear Politics average of polls, sitting
Speaker 1: at fourteen point six percent. Next up, we have vivik Ramaswami,
Speaker 1: who really has been making some moves in the primary.
Speaker 1: He is a businessman and also an author. He is
Speaker 1: sitting at seven point one percent. And next down the list,
Speaker 1: we have the former Vice President Mike Pence, who is
Speaker 1: at four point three percent.
Speaker 4: The next level what we're calling.
Speaker 1: Kind of the mid tier here, again just based on
Speaker 1: what their polls are sitting at today. At the national level,
Speaker 1: we have in this tier Nikki Haley. She is the
Speaker 1: former governor of South Carolina and also served in the
Speaker 1: Trump administration. She is at three point three percent, roughly
Speaker 1: the same place. We have Chris Christy. He is at
Speaker 1: three point one percent. He of course is the former
Speaker 1: governor of New Jersey and very outspoken Trump critic who
Speaker 1: is likely to make things interesting on the stage. And
Speaker 1: we also have Senator Tim Scott, senator from South Carolina,
Speaker 1: who a lot of donor and media types have been
Speaker 1: excited about recently. He is sitting nationally at three percent,
Speaker 1: although I will say I think he is a little
Speaker 1: bit higher in the polls in terms of Iowa and
Speaker 1: New Hampshire in particular, and then rounding at out the
Speaker 1: field and the lowest tier in terms of their national polling,
Speaker 1: we have Asa Hutchinson Trump calls Ada for certain reasons.
Speaker 1: He is former governor of Arkansas. He's at point nine percent.
Speaker 1: Doug Burghum, current governor of North Dakota, he is at
Speaker 1: point five percent. We did have an opportunity to interview
Speaker 1: both of these gentlemen, which we appreciated, and Doug Burgham
Speaker 1: managed to get on the stage using what I guess
Speaker 1: you would call an innovative strategy of like paying people
Speaker 1: to donate a small amount back to him.
Speaker 4: But it worked out was going to be there.
Speaker 2: Everyone dollar you get twenty. Yeah, listen, it actually did
Speaker 2: work out for him. There are a lot of people
Speaker 2: who did similar schemes that it didn't work out. We
Speaker 2: got some of those folks. Let's go ahead and put
Speaker 2: that up there on the screen. Unfortunately, Larry Elder, he
Speaker 2: currently says he's actually going to be suing the RNC
Speaker 2: because he claims that he did debate businessman Perry Johnson
Speaker 2: despite throwing as much money as he possibly could at
Speaker 2: Newsmax to try and qualify. Even though he did reach
Speaker 2: the forty thousand qualified donors, he didn't appear to reach
Speaker 2: the polling metrics. Will Hurd, the former congressman from Texas,
Speaker 2: and Mayor of Miami Francis Suarez. All four actually, save
Speaker 2: for Herd, had claimed at least in some way that
Speaker 2: they had qualified for the debate. But that's why we
Speaker 2: didn't really find out until we got the official results
Speaker 2: from the RNC. The big question now is now that
Speaker 2: you know who these individuals are, is does this debate matter?
Speaker 2: And we thought we would approach it from two angles,
Speaker 2: from one universe where it does, in this universe where
Speaker 2: it does.
Speaker 3: Why does it matter?
Speaker 2: And one interesting new pole that came out of Iowa,
Speaker 2: New Hampshire. And we've talked about this a lot of
Speaker 2: crystal here on the show, that the early states matter
Speaker 2: disproportionately here because the only way that if a Vake Ramaswami,
Speaker 2: Aron DeSantis, Chris Christia, Tim Scott is able to break
Speaker 2: out is they have to win Iowa or Shore very
Speaker 2: good showing, and they have to win New Hampshire those two.
Speaker 2: That gives us a ton of media momentum heading into
Speaker 2: Nevada and then into South Carolina into Super Tuesday and
Speaker 2: then the Florida primary. So in that lane, Steve Kornaky
Speaker 2: over at MSNBC, it does a fantastic job.
Speaker 3: Actually pointed something out that we want to show all
Speaker 3: of you. Let's go ahead put this up there.
Speaker 2: He shows that quote stipulating Trump is the favorite to
Speaker 2: win the GOP nomination, there does seem to be a
Speaker 2: potential path for some of his rivals. Start with our
Speaker 2: new Iowa poll, Trump is up by twenty three points,
Speaker 2: but DeSantis actually has the highest favorability rating and Scott
Speaker 2: has the highest favorability to unfavorability for unfavorability rating. Broad
Speaker 2: goodwill gives DeSantis and Scott the opportunity to grow oh
Speaker 2: their support. It's a big if, but if one could
Speaker 2: consolidate non Trump support.
Speaker 3: They would have a chance at winning the state.
Speaker 2: Of course, Trump lost Iowa and sixteen he bounced back
Speaker 2: in New Hampshire he was fine, But there's potential differences here.
Speaker 2: In sixteen Iowa was a three way race with Cruz
Speaker 2: and Trump and Rubio. What if in twenty four there's
Speaker 2: a clear separation between the top two and all of
Speaker 2: the others. So I think that is the scenario that
Speaker 2: we have to look at this. That's the scenario where
Speaker 2: this debate matters. It's who's the alternative, Who is the
Speaker 2: number one alternative? Nobody else matters, And that is why
Speaker 2: Chris Christy, Tim Scott, Ron DeSantis, and Vivek Ramaswami.
Speaker 3: It's going to be a battle royale between those three.
Speaker 2: They need to be the alternative to Trump, and I
Speaker 2: think for several reasons, I don't think Christy can do
Speaker 2: that because it doesn't have Trump appeal. I think DeSantis
Speaker 2: and Ramaswami are really the only two who could. Tim
Speaker 2: Scott is a dark horse. I just don't think he's
Speaker 2: really a fighter. Whenever it comes to the debates, we'll
Speaker 2: get to some of that in The Winners and the Losers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was an op ed in the New
Speaker 1: York Times, interestingly from New Hampshire Governor Chris Sanunu, who
Speaker 1: was also making a similar case of Listen, if you
Speaker 1: really want to defeat Trump, all of y'all except for
Speaker 1: one person, I'm going to have to drop out and
Speaker 1: everybody's going to have to consolidate behind one candidate. It's
Speaker 1: the same thing they said ultimately in twenty sixteen, you know,
Speaker 1: in the last ditch phase to try to come up
Speaker 1: with some candidate other than Trump.
Speaker 4: It was the same idea. Then.
Speaker 1: Now Democrats did actually execute this strategy very successfully in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty in order to you know, everybody dropped down
Speaker 1: and coalesce behind the former Vice President Joe Biden, and
Speaker 1: that did work to overcome the momentum that Bernie Sanders
Speaker 1: had at that time and what looked to be, you know,
Speaker 1: an inevitability coming out of Nevada. So at least on
Speaker 1: the Democratic side, we have seen this strategy work. Listen,
Speaker 1: Do I think that this is likely to happen, No,
Speaker 1: But I do think it's important to hold open the
Speaker 1: possibility that we don't know what's going to happen with Trump.
Speaker 1: He's in all kinds of legal trouble. He's a very
Speaker 1: unpredictable character to begin with, so you just can't predict
Speaker 1: the future, and so all of these guys are basically
Speaker 1: angling to be the number one alternative to Trump. Ron
Speaker 1: De Santis had his memo posted online by his super
Speaker 1: Pack of his debate strategy.
Speaker 4: We talked about this in the show.
Speaker 1: Is very revealing because he takes a very cautious approach
Speaker 1: to going after Trump, but he reveals his super Pac
Speaker 1: reveals that he needs to take a quote hammer to
Speaker 1: Vike ram Swammi because he sees him as his primary
Speaker 1: rival to be that top Trump alternative. I expect there'll
Speaker 1: be a lot of fireworks there because not only are
Speaker 1: they both fighting to position themselves as like the top
Speaker 1: alternative to Trump, they have some ideological disputes as well,
Speaker 1: in particular on foreign policy. Vivike has been unafraid also
Speaker 1: of accusing Ronda Santis of basically being a super Pack puppet,
Speaker 1: so that could get interesting. Chris Christie is very politically talented.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's not gonna be the nominee. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have himself ideologically positioned where the Republican base would
Speaker 1: want him to be, but he also won't mix things up.
Speaker 1: Is unafraid famously, remember he like sort of ended Mark
Speaker 1: you torpedoed him on behalf of Trump back in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: So he has the chops to be able to create
Speaker 1: those sorts of moments. So that creates some intrigue in
Speaker 1: drama here as well. But you know, part of from
Speaker 1: a substantive perspective, what I'm looking to see is there
Speaker 1: are some divides that have actually emerged between these candidates
Speaker 1: in terms of policy. I think foreign policy is the
Speaker 1: most obvious example, but also in terms of the you know,
Speaker 1: really traditional Reagan conservative type economic policy and people who
Speaker 1: are at least flirting with the more populist economics. And
Speaker 1: I'd love to see some of that drawn out in
Speaker 1: these debates.
Speaker 3: Listen, I would love that too.
Speaker 2: I have no illusions, especially whenever we're talking about Fox News.
Speaker 2: Fox News, in my experience, has some of the worst
Speaker 2: questions whenever it comes to debates, and the reason is simple,
Speaker 2: They're focused on horse race stuff, which I think is
Speaker 2: dumb at a presidential debate because it's like you're already
Speaker 2: here like you're doing low in the polls.
Speaker 3: What's your plan.
Speaker 2: I think it's fine when you're sitting down for an interview,
Speaker 2: but at a debate with such limited amount of time,
Speaker 2: you have to get to the issues. So here are
Speaker 2: some things that I need to see or would love
Speaker 2: to see.
Speaker 3: Ukraine. I want a huge debate on.
Speaker 2: Ukraine because Chris Christy is basically called DeSantis the Trump
Speaker 2: and thevic position, as quote unquote Nevill Chamberlain. We need
Speaker 2: to have a serious clash of wills there between Chris Christy,
Speaker 2: Nikki Haley and Tim Scott, who are on the establishment side,
Speaker 2: and then the more restrictionist side DeSantis somewhere in the middle,
Speaker 2: specifically with Vivike Ramaswami and let them go at it.
Speaker 2: We also need to see entitlements. We should note I
Speaker 2: asked Ramaswami about entitlements. He got a little bit squirrely.
Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis has really never addressed his position on the
Speaker 2: future of entitlements and social security.
Speaker 3: I want to see that debate.
Speaker 2: Tim Scott, Asa Hutchinson, Doug Burgham, we talked with all
Speaker 2: of them. They're definitely on the side of cutting Okay, great.
Speaker 2: I also want to see Obamacare. I know nobody cares
Speaker 2: about this, but healthcare is always a huge part of
Speaker 2: the debate. Do we still sign on the twenty fifteen
Speaker 2: plan they twenty vote that or sorry, the seventeen vote
Speaker 2: on Obamacare, which some of the senators on the stage
Speaker 2: voted for or supported.
Speaker 3: While they're in the Trump administration?
Speaker 2: Do we still support the repeal and replaced plan that
Speaker 2: came in that place? So I know these are nerdy questions,
Speaker 2: but I think they still are going to matter in
Speaker 2: terms of the record.
Speaker 3: And then also we're going to expect.
Speaker 2: And there's no way that this won't happen endless numbers
Speaker 2: of questions about Trump and the legal questions. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: so from a political perspective, who can come out and
Speaker 2: this is the most advantageous, who will come out as
Speaker 2: the best defender of Trump, Who will be the best
Speaker 2: indicterer of the FBI and the DOJ?
Speaker 3: And Biden. I don't think Biden.
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear routine questions about disagreements with Biden.
Speaker 2: Obviously they disagree with Biden, they're running against him. Has
Speaker 2: to be about disagreements between themselves. But I don't expect
Speaker 2: Fox to do any of this because they almost always
Speaker 2: do softballs. They never do a particularly good job of
Speaker 2: actually distinguishing the real areas that these gentlemen do disagree
Speaker 2: on substantive policy. It's going to be horse race Trump
Speaker 2: and then Biden. Stupid questions, hope, though.
Speaker 1: I think you could see some Ukraine questions because probably
Speaker 1: there's been enough tension between the candidates make that like
Speaker 1: conflict interesting from a Fox News ratings perspective. And you
Speaker 1: also had Nikki Haley this week taking shots at Viviak
Speaker 1: Ramaswami over aid to Israel. So that's another area where
Speaker 1: you could imagine, you know, just out of the sheer
Speaker 1: nature of loving to see conflict, perhaps they go in
Speaker 1: that direction as well. But you're absolutely right that first
Speaker 1: of all, I want to make sure to say really clearly,
Speaker 1: it's a disgrace that Trump is not coming to this
Speaker 1: debate like it is fully contentful of the American people.
Speaker 1: It's fully contempt ful of the Republican base. It is
Speaker 1: taking their vote for granted. I think it's disgusting that
Speaker 1: he's not going to be there and participate. I think
Speaker 1: it's discussing that Joe Biden has no intention of debating
Speaker 1: his opponents, and I don't want to let that go
Speaker 1: without being let this go without that being said. Trump
Speaker 1: is obviously going to be the big elephant.
Speaker 4: In the room. And you have a range.
Speaker 1: Of approaches among these candidates in terms of how they
Speaker 1: actually deal with Trump. Doug Bergham is willing to be
Speaker 1: a little bit critical of him, Asa Hutchinson is willing
Speaker 1: to be significantly critical of him, and then Chris Christy
Speaker 1: obviously is willing to go all the way in and
Speaker 1: be extremely critical of Trump. And then the people who
Speaker 1: frankly have a more serious chance of being his top
Speaker 1: alternative are more or less sick his hands, who have
Speaker 1: variously done everything they can to possibly defend him. And
Speaker 1: I understand it from a political perspective, even though I
Speaker 1: think it lacks moral courage, because listen, it's not an
Speaker 1: accident that the top alternatives Ron DeSantis and Vivek Ramaswami,
Speaker 1: and with being the person who's rising the fastest in
Speaker 1: the polls right now, have been variously committed to defending
Speaker 1: Trump against the core accusations against him. So seeing how
Speaker 1: they handle all of that, how much of the questioning
Speaker 1: focuses on Donald Trump, how much he just hangs over.
Speaker 1: This whole thing is going to be another piece to
Speaker 1: watch for coming out of this.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I think you're right.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I agree, I think Trump should show up.
Speaker 2: I don't think he should just take people for granted.
Speaker 2: But let's be honest, we've all looked at the polls.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: People trust Trump more than they literally trust their really
Speaker 2: just leaders. We just did a hilarious segment on that
Speaker 2: on our Monday Show. It's like Republican voters trust Trump
Speaker 2: more than their friends and family and then their fasters
Speaker 2: slash God.
Speaker 3: Yes, so in that ret like he can afford to.
Speaker 2: He said it himself, I could shoot somebody on Fifth
Speaker 2: Avenue and people would still vote for me.
Speaker 3: I think he's right.
Speaker 1: Let me make the Let me make the case though
Speaker 1: that I basically agree that it is probably the right strata.
Speaker 1: As much as I hate it. So it's disgusting, it's
Speaker 1: probably the right strategy. But I will say that it
Speaker 1: does put Trump in the position of doing something very uncharacteristic,
Speaker 1: which is giving someone else the opportunity to grab the spotlight.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about Trump as doing this Tucker
Speaker 1: Carlson interview on Twitter.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 1: That's just not going to get as many eyeballs as
Speaker 1: a you know, primetime major party debate.
Speaker 4: It's just not and we've heard from Trump a million.
Speaker 1: Times like he's not going to can't say anything all
Speaker 1: that new that's going to be all that different from
Speaker 1: what he said before. So many more people are going
Speaker 1: to be interested in the inherent show and conflict that
Speaker 1: is a major party primary debate. So he does create
Speaker 1: an opening for someone else to grab the spotlight, make
Speaker 1: a name for themselves, dominate the news cycle, etc. And
Speaker 1: Politico put together a piece trying to argue the case
Speaker 1: that debates actually do matter, and they actually have shifted
Speaker 1: races significantly, and in fact, primary races, the debates are
Speaker 1: what have primarily moved the numbers in terms of Democrat
Speaker 1: and Republican primary racist. So let's go and put this
Speaker 1: up on the screen. From Politico, they say why Trump
Speaker 1: might regret passing on the first debate. They say, as
Speaker 1: presidential primaries have become more national in scope, debates have
Speaker 1: arguably been all that has really mattered in the run
Speaker 1: up to the early States. Candidates like Herman Kane, Newt, Gingrich,
Speaker 1: Ben Carson, and Pete boodagech surged in the polls after
Speaker 1: strong showings, and Fred Thompson, Rick Perry, and Bitter O'Rourke
Speaker 1: stand as cautionary tales of hyped up candidates who bombed
Speaker 1: on stage and saw their campaigns crumble months before voting
Speaker 1: even began. And I mean, one example we can give
Speaker 1: from the twenty twenty Democratic primaries was in that first debate,
Speaker 1: Kamala had her little pre pre package like that little
Speaker 1: girl was me lying that she trained at the former
Speaker 1: vice president now current president, and it actually really worked,
Speaker 1: It really landed. She jumped up in the polls for
Speaker 1: a brief moment in time, she actually surged to second
Speaker 1: place in the polls. But the major caveat to all
Speaker 1: of this is the people that they mention here as
Speaker 1: prime examples of, you know, individuals who the debates have
Speaker 1: really helped them, Herman Kane, Newt, Gingrich, Ben Carson, Pee
Speaker 1: buotagech It's not like any of them.
Speaker 3: Actually won primary. None of them won.
Speaker 1: It ended up being a bit of a flash in
Speaker 1: the pan. I mean, you could argue for Pete it
Speaker 1: ended up being a bit more of than a flash
Speaker 1: in the pan because he goes on to you know,
Speaker 1: pretend to win Iowa and do well in New Hampshire,
Speaker 1: and now he's in the cabinet position. Like I could
Speaker 1: see something like that for Veg in particular. But will
Speaker 1: they actually change change landscape enough to supplant Trump. No,
Speaker 1: they may really shape who ends up being the primary alternative.
Speaker 4: That's probably about the most you could say for it.
Speaker 2: The most I will say for it is I believe
Speaker 2: that this is a fight for number two, and so
Speaker 2: I think the stakes are very high for the plausible alternatives.
Speaker 2: I think the rest of them are basically just wasting
Speaker 2: their time up there. But you know, good luck to you.
Speaker 2: I wish you the best, and I do think it
Speaker 2: matters only insofar as being the alternative and then how
Speaker 2: that will shape the future of the Republican Party. Will
Speaker 2: Trump take a hit for this, I just don't think so.
Speaker 2: I think that he strategically made the right call, even
Speaker 2: though democratically I think he should have showed up. He
Speaker 2: had nothing to lose except for taking heat from Chris
Speaker 2: Christy and from of these other folks. And he's like, well,
Speaker 2: whenever you're on top, He's like, let everybody just squabble.
Speaker 3: He even put out a truth not that long ago.
Speaker 2: He's like, I will decide from this who will be
Speaker 2: my vice president, which is the ultimate power move. We
Speaker 2: have some great segments that we wanted to set up
Speaker 2: also in the past about these debates and when they
Speaker 2: really showed us the path towards Trump. So we picked
Speaker 2: some of our past moments. And to me, I've pointed
Speaker 2: this for a while, this is more than a decade old.
Speaker 2: It was during the twenty twelve presidential primary debates. It
Speaker 2: was Nuke ging Rich versus CNN. And the reason why
Speaker 2: I think this clip we're about to show you is
Speaker 2: so important is I think this is when everything changed.
Speaker 2: This is when things went away from policy. It went
Speaker 2: away even from attacking the Democrats. This was the first
Speaker 2: full blown attack by a Republican presidential candidate against the media,
Speaker 2: getting the people in the audience up in their feet,
Speaker 2: against the moderators. And it really was, it really harkened
Speaker 2: what Trump would become in this debate. It was Nuke
Speaker 2: Gingrich versus John king Over at CNN in a presidential
Speaker 2: primary debate back in twenty twelve.
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 5: Your ex wife gave an interview to ABC News and
Speaker 5: another interview with the Washington Post, and this story has
Speaker 5: now gone viral on the internet. In it, she says
Speaker 5: that you came to her in nineteen ninety nine time
Speaker 5: when you're having an affair. She says, you asked her,
Speaker 5: sir to enter into an open marriage. Would you like
Speaker 5: to take some time to respond to that?
Speaker 6: No, but I will. I think the destructive, vicious, negative
Speaker 6: nature of much of the news media makes it harder
Speaker 6: to govern this country, harder to attract decent people to
Speaker 6: run for public office. And I am appalled that you
Speaker 6: would begin a presidential debate on a topic like that.
Speaker 3: That all you want to say so benefenic past.
Speaker 6: Every person in here knows personal pain. Every person in
Speaker 6: here has had someone close to them go through painful things.
Speaker 6: To take an ex wife and make it two days
Speaker 6: before the primary a significant question in a presidential campaign
Speaker 6: is as close to despicable as anything I can imagine.
Speaker 5: As you noted, mister speaker, this story did not come
Speaker 5: from our network. As you also know, it is the
Speaker 5: subject of conversation on the campaign.
Speaker 3: I get your quint I take your point.
Speaker 6: John, It was repeated by your network. You chose to
Speaker 6: start the debate with it. Don't try to blame somebody else.
Speaker 6: You and your staff chose to start this debate with it.
Speaker 3: That was it, Crystal. I believe everything changed that day.
Speaker 2: Another reason why is is that that is with a
Speaker 2: prelude to attacking the media, becoming the quote unquote enemy,
Speaker 2: branding them. That's what Trump really picked up on, and
Speaker 2: that moment really the I mean, have you ever seen
Speaker 2: people act.
Speaker 3: Like that in debate before. Never, They're chanting his name,
Speaker 3: They're up on their feet. And here's the thing, Newt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he ended up losing, but he is always a
Speaker 2: talented politician. He was good at what he did, and
Speaker 2: so that led to what I think truly is where
Speaker 2: everything broke apart. That was kind of the prelude to this.
Speaker 2: It was Trump the very first debate. Politics will never
Speaker 2: be the same him versus Megan Kelly and then against
Speaker 2: Jeb Bush.
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7: You call women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs,
Speaker 7: and disgusting animals your Twitter accounts O'donald for the record,
Speaker 7: it was well beyond Roso.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm just subject my wife into the middle of
Speaker 4: a raucous political conversation.
Speaker 8: Was completely inappropriate, and I hope you apologize for that.
Speaker 4: Donald, Well, I have to tell you, I hear phenomenal things.
Speaker 4: I hear your wife as a lovely woman, fantaster and
Speaker 4: this is life if she's right here. And when I
Speaker 4: apologize for her, No.
Speaker 6: I won't do that because I said nothing wrong.
Speaker 4: But I do hear a lovely woman.
Speaker 8: So here's the deal.
Speaker 3: He refuses to apologize. He turned it into a show.
Speaker 2: And I think when you put it all together, they're
Speaker 2: attacking the media being the biggest force against the questioners themselves,
Speaker 2: which is something that we should look out for tonight.
Speaker 2: We're you know, people up there aren't stupid. They're going
Speaker 2: to be studying also big moments that was. It's like,
Speaker 2: you turn it into a thing not just about against
Speaker 2: each other, but it needs to be a spectacle in
Speaker 2: which the people who are watching are frothing at the mouth,
Speaker 2: not against the moderators but against the system of which
Speaker 2: they hate so much. And so turning it into the
Speaker 2: spectacle is ultimately how Trump was able to completely dominate
Speaker 2: the conversation and bring it back to that new moment
Speaker 2: and recreate it over and over and over again.
Speaker 4: It's hard to remember now just how much Jeb Bush
Speaker 4: was built up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as like the candidate that cycle, the amount of
Speaker 1: money that was behind this guy. I mean he had
Speaker 1: like the perfect on paper bio governor of Florida. Sound familiar, right,
Speaker 1: Hailes from this famous political family, has all the connections
Speaker 1: in the world. The conservative media loved him, the liberal
Speaker 1: media tolerated him. He was supposed to be the guy,
Speaker 1: and Trump systematically humiliated him. And that's why that moment
Speaker 1: was so important to show of Jeb is like, apologized
Speaker 1: to my wife, and Trump is like, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to do that, no to his face, and.
Speaker 4: Jeb just takes it.
Speaker 1: The fact that Trump is not showing up to these debates,
Speaker 1: it means that he doesn't have the opportunity to do
Speaker 1: the same thing.
Speaker 4: Basically to Ron DeSantis.
Speaker 1: Now, his calculation, which is probably correct, is that he
Speaker 1: doesn't even need to. DeSantis is sitting nationally at I
Speaker 1: believe on our you know RCP average, we had him
Speaker 1: at like fourteen point seven percent something like that.
Speaker 4: It's doing a little bit better in Iowa.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't actually think he is doing much better
Speaker 1: in New HAMPSI actually Chris Christy is doing a little
Speaker 1: bit better in New Hampshire.
Speaker 4: Tim Scott is doing decently in New Hampshire.
Speaker 1: But Trump calculates that he doesn't even need to show
Speaker 1: up to humiliate his rivals to dominate this race.
Speaker 4: It's hard to argue that he is.
Speaker 1: Wrong, but you know, he was really talented at that thing.
Speaker 1: It may you may have hated what he had to say.
Speaker 1: I certainly hated some of what he had to say.
Speaker 1: I certainly hated some of the policies that he advocated for.
Speaker 1: But when you're just considering sheer political skill, there's really
Speaker 1: no one who is better in this format. The one
Speaker 1: debate where he had dismal performance was that first one
Speaker 1: against Joe Biden, when.
Speaker 4: He was way too a gria.
Speaker 1: He was just so obnoxious and everyone was like, shut up,
Speaker 1: so we can at least hear a question or hear
Speaker 1: one single response. That was the one time when he
Speaker 1: was really off his game. But overwhelmingly he excels in
Speaker 1: these things, and so he is creating a little bit
Speaker 1: of an opening here for someone else to excel and
Speaker 1: to do something that is different. Probably the thing that
Speaker 1: will get the most attention here is the most vociferous
Speaker 1: defender of Trump, which also is a sign of the
Speaker 1: lay of the land in terms of the likelihood of
Speaker 1: any of these alternatives really succeeding. But I do think
Speaker 1: that the interview with Tucker, or that he's using to
Speaker 1: try to like counter schedule the programming that's going on
Speaker 1: with the debate, I don't think that that is probably
Speaker 1: going to get all that much attention because it's just
Speaker 1: nothing all that new.
Speaker 4: It's not a limited platform.
Speaker 1: Fox is certainly not going to say anything about it
Speaker 1: because they despise Tucker, and Fox is still the biggest
Speaker 1: conservative media game in town.
Speaker 2: So the way I look at it is he changed
Speaker 2: everything and then got himself up to sixty percent now
Speaker 2: where he's acting as if this is a fake primary
Speaker 2: and that he is basically just in a two way
Speaker 2: race with Joe Biden. And it's interesting too because many
Speaker 2: media are also beginning to focus in on this about
Speaker 2: not only strength in the primary, but really his strength
Speaker 2: in the overall general election. I was especially struck here
Speaker 2: by this CNN clip Harry Enton, their political analysts used
Speaker 2: to work over at five point thirty eight, try and
Speaker 2: hammer it home to all of the people at the network.
Speaker 3: We're like, hey, guys, this is a close race.
Speaker 2: Trump is very strong he's in a good position to
Speaker 2: win act not reelection. I guess win the election again, Shoody,
Speaker 2: actually make it there. Let's take a listen to this.
Speaker 8: Trump's lead is even larger. So these are three polls
Speaker 8: that were out over the last week. Look at these
Speaker 8: leads for Donald Trump. He's at sixty two percent of
Speaker 8: the CBS News JUGA poll, fifty seven percent in Quinnipiac University,
Speaker 8: fifty three percent of the Fox News. Well, look at
Speaker 8: where the santisis in all these posts. Look how far
Speaker 8: back he is. He doesn't crack twenty percent in any
Speaker 8: of them. So in Iowa you have that twenty plus
Speaker 8: point lead for Donald Trump. That's actually smaller than the
Speaker 8: lead we see nationally where we see these leads of
Speaker 8: thirty five, forty, near fifty points. In this particular case,
Speaker 8: of course, the primary is one thing. If Trump wins
Speaker 8: the primary, can he go on and win the general election.
Speaker 8: And we've had three polls that have come out over
Speaker 8: the last week here, and I want you to take
Speaker 8: a look at how close this race is at this
Speaker 8: particular point. Granted the general election is over a year away.
Speaker 8: The largest lead for Joe Biden is just three points
Speaker 8: within the margin of error, no clear leader. Look at
Speaker 8: these one point one point. If you go back at
Speaker 8: where we were at this point four years ago, Joe
Speaker 8: Biden's lead was high single digits to low double digits.
Speaker 8: This is significantly close to them when we're four years ago.
Speaker 8: So this idea that Donald Trump can't win the general election,
Speaker 8: I want you to lose that idea. This race is very,
Speaker 8: very close, and Donald Trump is pulling better right now
Speaker 8: than basically at any point during.
Speaker 4: The entire twenty twenty s fordtment.
Speaker 8: After for indictments, it just doesn't really seem to matter.
Speaker 3: That's fascinating, very Inton, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: I want you to lose that idea, This idea that
Speaker 2: that's why is that going to the debate he sees
Speaker 2: that he can read a poll. He's like, I got
Speaker 2: nothing to lose. I'm already doing this, I'm doing well.
Speaker 2: Biden's thinking himself, and so I keep coming back to
Speaker 2: the side of while I think that the debate, Look,
Speaker 2: I think somebody could have their moment, as you laid
Speaker 2: out in the politic Ar, everybody can have quote unquote
Speaker 2: a moment, but to be riding as high as he
Speaker 2: is to have so much control over the media narrative
Speaker 2: to be so high ahead of the rest of them.
Speaker 2: He's just probably in the best position that he's ever
Speaker 2: been in. He shouldn't expose himself to weakness at a
Speaker 2: strategic level. Democratically, I agree with you, he said last show.
Speaker 2: I believe that the rules should be changed. They should
Speaker 2: change the bylaws. You can't be the nominee unless you
Speaker 2: participate in the debates. But I know they're also never
Speaker 2: going to do that. Maybe once Biden and Trump are
Speaker 2: gone they will change it.
Speaker 3: I think they should.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sound we have an open primary system where you
Speaker 2: don't have the same choice.
Speaker 3: Do it put it in the laws.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean that's what's so depressing about all both primaries,
Speaker 1: the Democratic and the Republican primary, is Yeah, they are
Speaker 1: setting the precedent now of you know, they don't feel
Speaker 1: that they have to subject themselves to any sort of
Speaker 1: democratic accountability, and there's no indication that either the Democratic
Speaker 1: or Republican primary base are likely to punch them for that.
Speaker 1: So it is a sort of depressing state of affairs
Speaker 1: in terms of CNN there, Harrieton has been sounding the alarm.
Speaker 1: He did a whole piece laying out guys, look at
Speaker 1: the polls now. Trump was nowhere near this close in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty with Biden either way, Remember, he almost won.
Speaker 1: It was very close in twenty twenty. It is not
Speaker 1: like it was a landslide. And back in twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: when he did actually win, he was nowhere near to
Speaker 1: pulling as well as he is in these polls.
Speaker 4: Now, my personal.
Speaker 1: Guess is that the fact that the general election landscape
Speaker 1: is going to take place amidst the backdrop of all
Speaker 1: of his trials, you know, the one in Georgia is
Speaker 1: going to be televised, There's going to be a whole
Speaker 1: courtroom drama around it. I do think that that sort
Speaker 1: of offends a enormy like law and order kind of sensibility,
Speaker 1: the idea that this man could literally be facing prison
Speaker 1: time heading into the general election. But can I say
Speaker 1: that with confidence? Can I say one hundred percent like
Speaker 1: Joe Biden is a lock for getting re elected?
Speaker 4: No, not at all.
Speaker 1: And the fact that this is a jump ball right
Speaker 1: now where the polls are tied, where to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, given the historic like bias against Trump in
Speaker 1: the polls, you'd have to say probably has an edge.
Speaker 1: I think it is a pathetic sign of the state
Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party. I think they should be holding
Speaker 1: their heads in shame over the fact that it could
Speaker 1: be so close. And let's not forget that many Democratic
Speaker 1: analysts and many within the White House reportedly were actively
Speaker 1: cheering for Trump to be the nominee because once again,
Speaker 1: they never learned anything from history and they thought this
Speaker 1: one would be easy to be. Apparently now they're starting
Speaker 1: to rethink that as they've seen Ronda Santis on the
Speaker 1: campaign trail, they actually think, maybe we would.
Speaker 4: Rather go up against that guy.
Speaker 1: But look that that ship in many ways has probably already.
Speaker 3: Said I agree.
Speaker 2: So my TLDR on this is, yeah, I don't think
Speaker 2: it's going to matter. I don't think I don't think
Speaker 2: this debate matters. In the age of Trump, I think
Speaker 2: he changed the game. He was the most captivating of
Speaker 2: all time. He played it at such a high level,
Speaker 2: and now he's letting it be the JV league. I
Speaker 2: wish it wasn't the case, but it is what it is.
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, he's correctly putting himself in
Speaker 2: a general election posture, and the media is treating him
Speaker 2: that way too, because they're not stupid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can read pole would.
Speaker 1: I would position it a little bit differently because I
Speaker 1: do think the race to be the primary Trump alternative
Speaker 1: matters in terms of who is going to continue.
Speaker 4: To be a fixture in media and politics.
Speaker 1: So in the same way that Pete secured his cabinet
Speaker 1: position and his love among resistance liberals and among the
Speaker 1: donor set, I think you know, you've got those openings
Speaker 1: available for people who successfully are able to grab the
Speaker 1: spotlight at the debate. Do I think that it shifts
Speaker 1: who's going to actually win the Republican primary.
Speaker 4: I think that is very unlikely.
Speaker 1: Some breaking news we can look for here, we've got
Speaker 1: some breaking points power rankings. So we were so inspired
Speaker 1: by Fox News just pulling on of their ass power
Speaker 1: rankings for the Republican primer, we decided we should probably do.
Speaker 2: It, except we're not going to treat it like breaking
Speaker 2: news of.
Speaker 3: Self serious anyway.
Speaker 1: This is basically just our predictions of who's going to
Speaker 1: come out well out of the debate, who's going to
Speaker 1: improve their position, and who is going to do themselves
Speaker 1: damage coming out of the debate. So I will start
Speaker 1: with mine, and I think you might be a little
Speaker 1: bit surprised here because it's a bit of a hot take.
Speaker 1: All right, it's going to put my winners in my
Speaker 1: power rankings up.
Speaker 3: On the screen.
Speaker 1: It's controversial, Ron DeSantis and Vivike Ramaswami. Now Vivike, I
Speaker 1: don't think people will be surprised because I've said before
Speaker 1: I think he's politically talented. I think he'll be well prepared.
Speaker 1: I think he'll be unafraid of, you know, going on
Speaker 1: the attack against Ronda Santas. I think he'll do an
Speaker 1: effective job at that. You have a relatively low name.
Speaker 4: I d for Viveke.
Speaker 1: So in a lot of ways, he has the most
Speaker 1: room to grow in terms of the candidates that will
Speaker 1: be on the stage, and so I think that he
Speaker 1: will do himself some favors tonight. However, the reason I've
Speaker 1: put Ronda Santis up there sager and I don't want
Speaker 1: to say I don't have a lot of confidence in
Speaker 1: this choice, but he's got a low bar at this point.
Speaker 1: There's been so much commentary about how awkward he is
Speaker 1: and how bad he is with people, and how his
Speaker 1: campaigns falling apart and whatever. I know he's going to
Speaker 1: show up really well prepared, really well scripted.
Speaker 4: I can imagine him having like the equivalent.
Speaker 1: Of the Kamala Harris that Little Girl is Me kind
Speaker 1: of a moment up there, and so I think he
Speaker 1: may do himself some good being on that stage, and
Speaker 1: he'll really be a focal point a lot of ways.
Speaker 4: There'll be a lot of.
Speaker 1: Attacks coming at him, and that gives him an opportunity
Speaker 1: to parry those effectively and really try to reestablish himself
Speaker 1: as a primary, serious Trump competitor. So that is why
Speaker 1: I put those two gentlemen at the top. I do
Speaker 1: want to say one other thing, just in terms of
Speaker 1: how I was thinking about this. I suspect the person
Speaker 1: who's performance I will like the most is probably Chris Christy,
Speaker 1: and I do think he's very politically talented. I think
Speaker 1: he will land his blow, et cetera. But this isn't
Speaker 1: about who I'm gonna like, because I'm not a Republican
Speaker 1: primary butter, I suspect the liberal media, you know, seeing
Speaker 1: a no No a s NBC are also going to enjoy
Speaker 1: Chris Christie's performances. Chris Matthews told us he's a liberal
Speaker 1: pinup boy, which was accurate, But you know, is that
Speaker 1: going to help him in terms of doing better in
Speaker 1: a Republican primary.
Speaker 4: No, I don't really see that.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's see your losers and then I'll do mine.
Speaker 1: And okay, okay, so let's go ahead and debut my
Speaker 1: losers here, Mike Pence and Tim Scott. So I just
Speaker 1: don't really see either of them being able to have
Speaker 1: a breakout moment. Both of their political personalities are being
Speaker 1: like the super nice guy and for better or worse,
Speaker 1: I just don't know that that really sells. I don't
Speaker 1: think it really provides the opportunity for you to have
Speaker 1: that kind of spotlight grabbing, interesting breakout moment and assert yourself.
Speaker 1: And if you aren't moving up the rankings of being
Speaker 1: one of the top Trump alternatives, then I think you
Speaker 1: know you're falling behind. And to me, it's particularly embarrassing
Speaker 1: for Mike Pence, who was the vice president. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a man who'sment of politics for so long,
Speaker 1: who does have a lot of connections, who was literally
Speaker 1: vice president of the United States for four years, and
Speaker 1: has fallen down into, you know, best, a mid tier
Speaker 1: competitor here, even in the context of a Republican primary
Speaker 1: debate without Trump, And so for him to be sidelined
Speaker 1: in this way, in such a visible on such a
Speaker 1: visible performance, I think it's a real problem for him.
Speaker 1: Tim Scott, there's a lot of media hype around him
Speaker 1: at the moment, but again, I find it hard to
Speaker 1: believe that he's going to really be able to achieve
Speaker 1: any sort of a breakout moment.
Speaker 2: So I think it's tough for him to Here, you go, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's put my winners up there, because I think this
Speaker 2: might surprise you. There's a little bit of a disagreement here.
Speaker 2: We have to share one winner. So I've got Ramaswami
Speaker 2: and Christy.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 2: I believe that this is ultimately, as I said, it's
Speaker 2: a vote for number two. Chris Christi is a talented debater,
Speaker 2: well spoken. I believe he's going to be on the
Speaker 2: attack against Ron DeSantis. And because I don't think DeSantis
Speaker 2: has ever really been challenged at this level, particularly about
Speaker 2: being like some sort of Trump tody, Christy's gonna knock
Speaker 2: find some knocks against him. The other reason I put
Speaker 2: Ramaswami is I think the veke is just far more
Speaker 2: politically talented than Ron DeSantis. In a back and forth environment,
Speaker 2: he always puts himself in challenging situations.
Speaker 3: He was on our show, he was on SANNN.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's constantly battling with Caitlyn Collins don Lemon practice.
Speaker 2: He knows exactly how to perry, how to get to it,
Speaker 2: about how to knock somebody's attacks against him. I think
Speaker 2: he's going to win on that front because he's also
Speaker 2: going to be on the attack against DeSantis, and I
Speaker 2: don't think Desanta is going to be able to levy
Speaker 2: the same blows against him. Christy is likely to attack Dasantis,
Speaker 2: but he's probably going to focus more of his attack
Speaker 2: on sorry On. He's likely to attack the Veke, but
Speaker 2: more likely to focus his attack on DeSantis because he's there.
Speaker 2: Ramaswami though maybe the beneficiary of that, and I think
Speaker 2: he will out battle him, at least in a duel
Speaker 2: whenever it comes to fights about Trump indictment Forum also Ukraine.
Speaker 2: He's the best, most articulate, well spoken person on there.
Speaker 2: It's a big performance. So this leads into my losers
Speaker 2: and this is probably my hot my hottest take Okay
Speaker 2: number one, I think it's DeSantis. Wow, I think DeSantis
Speaker 2: is gonna be the loser.
Speaker 3: He showed a.
Speaker 2: You know, obviously he's had several awkward moments on the trail.
Speaker 2: Whenever he's pressed, he does get a little bit flustered.
Speaker 2: He hasn't done enough contentious interviews. He's had some decent
Speaker 2: moments in a press conference, but with the political talent
Speaker 2: of Christy and Ramaswamy going up against him, I'm just
Speaker 2: not sure that he's prepared for the moment.
Speaker 3: The reason I put Mike Pence.
Speaker 2: There is the exact same analysis as you to be
Speaker 2: the former vice president, betrayaling a guy like the vake
Speaker 2: Ramiswam when he wrote a book humiliating, humiliating. Let's let's
Speaker 2: be honest. I mean, this is the al Gore thing,
Speaker 2: you know, George w but this should have been his.
Speaker 2: He should be coronated and this shouldn't even be debated.
Speaker 4: And the Trump questions are like the most tortured for him.
Speaker 3: Horrible too.
Speaker 1: Like there everyone else is kind of either decided like
Speaker 1: I'm just going to defend this guy or whatever, or
Speaker 1: they're willing to bake the critique. Pens is still like
Speaker 1: you can feel the anguish in every response, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of painful to watch.
Speaker 2: And then Haley I mean, I've always believed she is
Speaker 2: one of the least talented politicians on the stage. She's
Speaker 2: a complete donor creation. I think she's going to have
Speaker 2: the most scripted, fumbled answers. I hope Vivek smacks her
Speaker 2: on Israel and any of these other comments or Ukrainer,
Speaker 2: these other ridiculous positions that she takes. And I don't
Speaker 2: think she holds up to scrutiny one bit. She never
Speaker 2: puts herself in a position for a contentious interview. I mean,
Speaker 2: she's one of the people who I'm like, really, you're
Speaker 2: not going to respond about coming on our show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, lady here at three percent, Yeah, you should
Speaker 1: be taking about all the positions you can.
Speaker 2: But listen, you know, be my guest. I have always
Speaker 2: bet against her political talent. I think she's terrible. I
Speaker 2: think she's totally establishment. The voters really have nothing to
Speaker 2: connect with her. Tim Scott I decided not to put
Speaker 2: in my losers. I think he's just a watch. I
Speaker 2: think he's a nice guy. Debates on his format, his formats,
Speaker 2: a campaign trail, the speeches, so we'll see. But he's
Speaker 2: not enough I think yet in my book to be loser.
Speaker 2: Desantras is the most lose so far. We've not seen
Speaker 2: enough political talent for him to rise. I could be
Speaker 2: totally wrong. You know, he could be a big winner.
Speaker 2: He has a potential to do it, but we haven't
Speaker 2: seen that. Considering it is so much on a downswing.
Speaker 2: He's got the most stake there tonight. I don't think
Speaker 2: there's any question.
Speaker 3: I think rom Swami's gonna have a great night. He's
Speaker 3: just good at the format. He's good at what he does.
Speaker 1: Obviously I put him as well winners too, So I
Speaker 1: agree with you. I will say if he doesn't, it
Speaker 1: could be for two reasons. Number one, he tends to
Speaker 1: be pretty wordy in his responses, Like it takes him,
Speaker 1: even when we were talking to him, like it takes
Speaker 1: a minute for him to get.
Speaker 3: To the talker.
Speaker 1: He's a talker. He's a long talker. That's like, not
Speaker 1: a knock on him, that's just his style. Takes a
Speaker 1: while for him to like lay on the context. He
Speaker 1: doesn't just he's not super punchy, right, and in a debate,
Speaker 1: debates prioritized that, like you know, the one liner and
Speaker 1: the punchiness, and you have a very short period of
Speaker 1: time to respond. So if he has an off night,
Speaker 1: I would say that is why.
Speaker 4: And the other.
Speaker 1: Possible reason is DeSantis and Co. Feel like he hasn't
Speaker 1: been challenged on some of his past more liberal political sentiments.
Speaker 1: You know, you actually challenged him Scaga a little bit
Speaker 1: on that on our show about what he used to
Speaker 1: say about January six versus what he says now on
Speaker 1: January six are pretty different. I mean, he has made
Speaker 1: a bit of I think a pretty significant political evolution
Speaker 1: to position himself as this very pro Trump force within
Speaker 1: the Republican primary. And that's just not where he was before.
Speaker 1: So if someone could effectively land a blow on him
Speaker 1: for that stuff, in particular around like how loyal are.
Speaker 4: You really to Donald Trump?
Speaker 1: That could matter because he has made Trump defense so
Speaker 1: central to his politic political brand within the Republican primary.
Speaker 1: But you know, my expectation, like, I think he's a
Speaker 1: talented guy. I think he'll be planned for that. I
Speaker 1: think he'll be prepared. I think he'll probably be ready
Speaker 1: to parry those attacks. But if he does have an
Speaker 1: off night, those would be the reasons.
Speaker 2: I would say, here's the thing, this is why he
Speaker 2: came on our show. He's been how many times are
Speaker 2: now being asked about it? Five six times? It's like
Speaker 2: that's the benefit of being in the arena. DeSantis hasn't
Speaker 2: put himself in the arena this I think it's gonna
Speaker 2: I think he's.
Speaker 3: Gonna have a tough night. I really do, especially he snaps.
Speaker 2: He really doesn't like being pressed, you know, And he
Speaker 2: did okay in his debate against who is It? Charlie
Speaker 2: crist But at the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 2: this is it hasn't necessarily been his format, and he's
Speaker 2: going to be taking it in ways that.
Speaker 3: Vivek has had.
Speaker 2: Chris Christy also, Let's let's be honest. I mean, he
Speaker 2: knows even been in previous debates. He actually does a
Speaker 2: lot of media interviews, in some cases contentious meeting.
Speaker 1: He's been going on newsmaxim fighting with Eric. But he,
Speaker 1: like Christy, is one of these guys that actually seems.
Speaker 4: To relish the fight, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's this very New Jersey, New York personnel,
Speaker 1: kind of like Trump in a way, you know. And
Speaker 1: so I know he'll do an effective job. I just
Speaker 1: don't think that he'll be landing the blows that will
Speaker 1: move him up in terms of the Republican primary.
Speaker 3: That's a whole lot of conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in terms of what the voters and all that,
Speaker 2: I think that's one thing. In terms of who's gonna
Speaker 2: have the breakout, I really I think Ramaswami is gonna
Speaker 2: be the big dinner.
Speaker 3: I really believe that.
Speaker 1: Let me say, though, reality, I actually think the big
Speaker 1: winner is going to be Trump. Yeah, of course, because
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that so much of this debate
Speaker 1: is going to center around him and how people feel
Speaker 1: about him.
Speaker 4: And this is what he's done in the Republican Party.
Speaker 1: This is why he is so central and why it's
Speaker 1: so impossible to knock him off of his perch, because
Speaker 1: he has made the Republican Party all about and really
Speaker 1: all of politics, even democratic politics. He's made all of
Speaker 1: politics just about how do you feel about Donald Trump?
Speaker 1: And so the fact that that's like the central question
Speaker 1: at the heart of these debates, that's already that's a
Speaker 1: massive win for him, and that he can just you know,
Speaker 1: sit back and watch it and post truths or whatever
Speaker 1: and watch his little toadies go to work for him
Speaker 1: on stage who are supposed to be his rivals. But
Speaker 1: you know, the primary, like the ones who are most
Speaker 1: serious are going to be out there defending him tooth
Speaker 1: and nail.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a huge win for him.
Speaker 3: I agree.
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