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Speaker 2: But Christal, how do you think that we should think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've got to cover from all angles. We

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Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and throw our graphic.

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Speaker 1: Up on the screen where we can reveal these are

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Speaker 1: the faces of the individuals who qualified. Now, one very

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Speaker 1: important caveat here. Former President Trump obviously has said he

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Speaker 1: the eight candidates who actually qualified are Trump, DeSantis, Vivik Ramaswami,

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Speaker 2: In sixteen Iowa was a three way race with Cruz

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Speaker 3: It's going to be a battle royale between those three.

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Speaker 2: get to some of that in The Winners and the Losers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was an op ed in the New

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Speaker 1: Now Democrats did actually execute this strategy very successfully in

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Speaker 3: Listen, I would love that too.

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Speaker 3: Ukraine. I want a huge debate on.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so in that ret like he can afford to.

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Speaker 6: No, but I will. I think the destructive, vicious, negative

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Speaker 3: That all you want to say so benefenic past.

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Speaker 6: Every person in here knows personal pain. Every person in

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Speaker 5: As you noted, mister speaker, this story did not come

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Speaker 6: John, It was repeated by your network. You chose to

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Speaker 6: You and your staff chose to start this debate with it.

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Speaker 3: That was it, Crystal. I believe everything changed that day.

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Speaker 2: everything broke apart. That was kind of the prelude to this.

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Speaker 2: It was Trump the very first debate. Politics will never

437
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Speaker 2: be the same him versus Megan Kelly and then against

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Speaker 2: Jeb Bush.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: You call women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs,

441
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Speaker 7: and disgusting animals your Twitter accounts O'donald for the record,

442
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Speaker 7: it was well beyond Roso.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm just subject my wife into the middle of

444
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Speaker 4: a raucous political conversation.

445
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Speaker 8: Was completely inappropriate, and I hope you apologize for that.

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Speaker 4: Donald, Well, I have to tell you, I hear phenomenal things.

447
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Speaker 4: I hear your wife as a lovely woman, fantaster and

448
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Speaker 4: this is life if she's right here. And when I

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Speaker 4: apologize for her, No.

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Speaker 6: I won't do that because I said nothing wrong.

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Speaker 4: But I do hear a lovely woman.

452
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Speaker 8: So here's the deal.

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Speaker 3: He refuses to apologize. He turned it into a show.

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Speaker 2: And I think when you put it all together, they're

455
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Speaker 2: attacking the media being the biggest force against the questioners themselves,

456
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Speaker 2: which is something that we should look out for tonight.

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Speaker 2: We're you know, people up there aren't stupid. They're going

458
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Speaker 2: to be studying also big moments that was. It's like,

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Speaker 2: you turn it into a thing not just about against

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Speaker 2: each other, but it needs to be a spectacle in

461
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Speaker 2: which the people who are watching are frothing at the mouth,

462
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Speaker 2: not against the moderators but against the system of which

463
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Speaker 2: they hate so much. And so turning it into the

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Speaker 2: spectacle is ultimately how Trump was able to completely dominate

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Speaker 2: the conversation and bring it back to that new moment

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Speaker 2: and recreate it over and over and over again.

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Speaker 4: It's hard to remember now just how much Jeb Bush

468
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Speaker 4: was built up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as like the candidate that cycle, the amount of

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Speaker 1: money that was behind this guy. I mean he had

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Speaker 1: like the perfect on paper bio governor of Florida. Sound familiar, right,

472
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Speaker 1: Hailes from this famous political family, has all the connections

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Speaker 1: in the world. The conservative media loved him, the liberal

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Speaker 1: media tolerated him. He was supposed to be the guy,

475
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Speaker 1: and Trump systematically humiliated him. And that's why that moment

476
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Speaker 1: was so important to show of Jeb is like, apologized

477
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Speaker 1: to my wife, and Trump is like, I'm not going

478
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Speaker 1: to do that, no to his face, and.

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Speaker 4: Jeb just takes it.

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Speaker 1: The fact that Trump is not showing up to these debates,

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Speaker 1: it means that he doesn't have the opportunity to do

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Speaker 1: the same thing.

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Speaker 4: Basically to Ron DeSantis.

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Speaker 1: Now, his calculation, which is probably correct, is that he

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Speaker 1: doesn't even need to. DeSantis is sitting nationally at I

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Speaker 1: believe on our you know RCP average, we had him

487
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Speaker 1: at like fourteen point seven percent something like that.

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Speaker 4: It's doing a little bit better in Iowa.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I don't actually think he is doing much better

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Speaker 1: in New HAMPSI actually Chris Christy is doing a little

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Speaker 1: bit better in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 4: Tim Scott is doing decently in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 1: But Trump calculates that he doesn't even need to show

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Speaker 1: up to humiliate his rivals to dominate this race.

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Speaker 4: It's hard to argue that he is.

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Speaker 1: Wrong, but you know, he was really talented at that thing.

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Speaker 1: It may you may have hated what he had to say.

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Speaker 1: I certainly hated some of what he had to say.

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Speaker 1: I certainly hated some of the policies that he advocated for.

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Speaker 1: But when you're just considering sheer political skill, there's really

501
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Speaker 1: no one who is better in this format. The one

502
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Speaker 1: debate where he had dismal performance was that first one

503
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Speaker 1: against Joe Biden, when.

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Speaker 4: He was way too a gria.

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Speaker 1: He was just so obnoxious and everyone was like, shut up,

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Speaker 1: so we can at least hear a question or hear

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Speaker 1: one single response. That was the one time when he

508
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Speaker 1: was really off his game. But overwhelmingly he excels in

509
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Speaker 1: these things, and so he is creating a little bit

510
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Speaker 1: of an opening here for someone else to excel and

511
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Speaker 1: to do something that is different. Probably the thing that

512
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Speaker 1: will get the most attention here is the most vociferous

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Speaker 1: defender of Trump, which also is a sign of the

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Speaker 1: lay of the land in terms of the likelihood of

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Speaker 1: any of these alternatives really succeeding. But I do think

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Speaker 1: that the interview with Tucker, or that he's using to

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Speaker 1: try to like counter schedule the programming that's going on

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Speaker 1: with the debate, I don't think that that is probably

519
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Speaker 1: going to get all that much attention because it's just

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Speaker 1: nothing all that new.

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Speaker 4: It's not a limited platform.

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Speaker 1: Fox is certainly not going to say anything about it

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Speaker 1: because they despise Tucker, and Fox is still the biggest

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Speaker 1: conservative media game in town.

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Speaker 2: So the way I look at it is he changed

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Speaker 2: everything and then got himself up to sixty percent now

527
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Speaker 2: where he's acting as if this is a fake primary

528
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Speaker 2: and that he is basically just in a two way

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Speaker 2: race with Joe Biden. And it's interesting too because many

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Speaker 2: media are also beginning to focus in on this about

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Speaker 2: not only strength in the primary, but really his strength

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Speaker 2: in the overall general election. I was especially struck here

533
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Speaker 2: by this CNN clip Harry Enton, their political analysts used

534
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Speaker 2: to work over at five point thirty eight, try and

535
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Speaker 2: hammer it home to all of the people at the network.

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Speaker 3: We're like, hey, guys, this is a close race.

537
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Speaker 2: Trump is very strong he's in a good position to

538
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Speaker 2: win act not reelection. I guess win the election again, Shoody,

539
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Speaker 2: actually make it there. Let's take a listen to this.

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Speaker 8: Trump's lead is even larger. So these are three polls

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Speaker 8: that were out over the last week. Look at these

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Speaker 8: leads for Donald Trump. He's at sixty two percent of

543
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Speaker 8: the CBS News JUGA poll, fifty seven percent in Quinnipiac University,

544
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Speaker 8: fifty three percent of the Fox News. Well, look at

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Speaker 8: where the santisis in all these posts. Look how far

546
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Speaker 8: back he is. He doesn't crack twenty percent in any

547
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Speaker 8: of them. So in Iowa you have that twenty plus

548
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Speaker 8: point lead for Donald Trump. That's actually smaller than the

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Speaker 8: lead we see nationally where we see these leads of

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Speaker 8: thirty five, forty, near fifty points. In this particular case,

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Speaker 8: of course, the primary is one thing. If Trump wins

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Speaker 8: the primary, can he go on and win the general election.

553
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Speaker 8: And we've had three polls that have come out over

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Speaker 8: the last week here, and I want you to take

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Speaker 8: a look at how close this race is at this

556
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Speaker 8: particular point. Granted the general election is over a year away.

557
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Speaker 8: The largest lead for Joe Biden is just three points

558
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Speaker 8: within the margin of error, no clear leader. Look at

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Speaker 8: these one point one point. If you go back at

560
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Speaker 8: where we were at this point four years ago, Joe

561
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Speaker 8: Biden's lead was high single digits to low double digits.

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Speaker 8: This is significantly close to them when we're four years ago.

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Speaker 8: So this idea that Donald Trump can't win the general election,

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Speaker 8: I want you to lose that idea. This race is very,

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Speaker 8: very close, and Donald Trump is pulling better right now

566
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Speaker 8: than basically at any point during.

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Speaker 4: The entire twenty twenty s fordtment.

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Speaker 8: After for indictments, it just doesn't really seem to matter.

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Speaker 3: That's fascinating, very Inton, Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I want you to lose that idea, This idea that

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Speaker 2: that's why is that going to the debate he sees

572
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Speaker 2: that he can read a poll. He's like, I got

573
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Speaker 2: nothing to lose. I'm already doing this, I'm doing well.

574
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Speaker 2: Biden's thinking himself, and so I keep coming back to

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Speaker 2: the side of while I think that the debate, Look,

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Speaker 2: I think somebody could have their moment, as you laid

577
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Speaker 2: out in the politic Ar, everybody can have quote unquote

578
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Speaker 2: a moment, but to be riding as high as he

579
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Speaker 2: is to have so much control over the media narrative

580
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Speaker 2: to be so high ahead of the rest of them.

581
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Speaker 2: He's just probably in the best position that he's ever

582
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Speaker 2: been in. He shouldn't expose himself to weakness at a

583
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Speaker 2: strategic level. Democratically, I agree with you, he said last show.

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Speaker 2: I believe that the rules should be changed. They should

585
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Speaker 2: change the bylaws. You can't be the nominee unless you

586
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Speaker 2: participate in the debates. But I know they're also never

587
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Speaker 2: going to do that. Maybe once Biden and Trump are

588
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Speaker 2: gone they will change it.

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Speaker 3: I think they should.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sound we have an open primary system where you

591
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Speaker 2: don't have the same choice.

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Speaker 3: Do it put it in the laws.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's what's so depressing about all both primaries,

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Speaker 1: the Democratic and the Republican primary, is Yeah, they are

596
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Speaker 1: setting the precedent now of you know, they don't feel

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Speaker 1: that they have to subject themselves to any sort of

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Speaker 1: democratic accountability, and there's no indication that either the Democratic

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Speaker 1: or Republican primary base are likely to punch them for that.

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Speaker 1: So it is a sort of depressing state of affairs

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Speaker 1: in terms of CNN there, Harrieton has been sounding the alarm.

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Speaker 1: He did a whole piece laying out guys, look at

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Speaker 1: the polls now. Trump was nowhere near this close in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty with Biden either way, Remember, he almost won.

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Speaker 1: It was very close in twenty twenty. It is not

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Speaker 1: like it was a landslide. And back in twenty sixteen

607
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Speaker 1: when he did actually win, he was nowhere near to

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Speaker 1: pulling as well as he is in these polls.

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Speaker 4: Now, my personal.

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Speaker 1: Guess is that the fact that the general election landscape

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Speaker 1: is going to take place amidst the backdrop of all

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Speaker 1: of his trials, you know, the one in Georgia is

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Speaker 1: going to be televised, There's going to be a whole

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Speaker 1: courtroom drama around it. I do think that that sort

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Speaker 1: of offends a enormy like law and order kind of sensibility,

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Speaker 1: the idea that this man could literally be facing prison

617
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Speaker 1: time heading into the general election. But can I say

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Speaker 1: that with confidence? Can I say one hundred percent like

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden is a lock for getting re elected?

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Speaker 4: No, not at all.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that this is a jump ball right

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Speaker 1: now where the polls are tied, where to be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, given the historic like bias against Trump in

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Speaker 1: the polls, you'd have to say probably has an edge.

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Speaker 1: I think it is a pathetic sign of the state

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Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party. I think they should be holding

627
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Speaker 1: their heads in shame over the fact that it could

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Speaker 1: be so close. And let's not forget that many Democratic

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Speaker 1: analysts and many within the White House reportedly were actively

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Speaker 1: cheering for Trump to be the nominee because once again,

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Speaker 1: they never learned anything from history and they thought this

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Speaker 1: one would be easy to be. Apparently now they're starting

633
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Speaker 1: to rethink that as they've seen Ronda Santis on the

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Speaker 1: campaign trail, they actually think, maybe we would.

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Speaker 4: Rather go up against that guy.

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Speaker 1: But look that that ship in many ways has probably already.

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Speaker 3: Said I agree.

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Speaker 2: So my TLDR on this is, yeah, I don't think

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Speaker 2: it's going to matter. I don't think I don't think

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Speaker 2: this debate matters. In the age of Trump, I think

641
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Speaker 2: he changed the game. He was the most captivating of

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Speaker 2: all time. He played it at such a high level,

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Speaker 2: and now he's letting it be the JV league. I

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Speaker 2: wish it wasn't the case, but it is what it is.

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Speaker 2: And I think, you know, he's correctly putting himself in

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Speaker 2: a general election posture, and the media is treating him

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Speaker 2: that way too, because they're not stupid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can read pole would.

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Speaker 1: I would position it a little bit differently because I

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Speaker 1: do think the race to be the primary Trump alternative

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Speaker 1: matters in terms of who is going to continue.

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Speaker 4: To be a fixture in media and politics.

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Speaker 1: So in the same way that Pete secured his cabinet

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Speaker 1: position and his love among resistance liberals and among the

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Speaker 1: donor set, I think you know, you've got those openings

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Speaker 1: available for people who successfully are able to grab the

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Speaker 1: spotlight at the debate. Do I think that it shifts

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Speaker 1: who's going to actually win the Republican primary.

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Speaker 4: I think that is very unlikely.

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Speaker 1: Some breaking news we can look for here, we've got

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Speaker 1: some breaking points power rankings. So we were so inspired

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Speaker 1: by Fox News just pulling on of their ass power

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Speaker 1: rankings for the Republican primer, we decided we should probably do.

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Speaker 2: It, except we're not going to treat it like breaking

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Speaker 2: news of.

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Speaker 3: Self serious anyway.

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Speaker 1: This is basically just our predictions of who's going to

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Speaker 1: come out well out of the debate, who's going to

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Speaker 1: improve their position, and who is going to do themselves

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Speaker 1: damage coming out of the debate. So I will start

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Speaker 1: with mine, and I think you might be a little

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Speaker 1: bit surprised here because it's a bit of a hot take.

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Speaker 1: All right, it's going to put my winners in my

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Speaker 1: power rankings up.

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Speaker 3: On the screen.

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Speaker 1: It's controversial, Ron DeSantis and Vivike Ramaswami. Now Vivike, I

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Speaker 1: don't think people will be surprised because I've said before

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Speaker 1: I think he's politically talented. I think he'll be well prepared.

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Speaker 1: I think he'll be unafraid of, you know, going on

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Speaker 1: the attack against Ronda Santas. I think he'll do an

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Speaker 1: effective job at that. You have a relatively low name.

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Speaker 4: I d for Viveke.

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Speaker 1: So in a lot of ways, he has the most

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Speaker 1: room to grow in terms of the candidates that will

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Speaker 1: be on the stage, and so I think that he

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Speaker 1: will do himself some favors tonight. However, the reason I've

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Speaker 1: put Ronda Santis up there sager and I don't want

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Speaker 1: to say I don't have a lot of confidence in

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Speaker 1: this choice, but he's got a low bar at this point.

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Speaker 1: There's been so much commentary about how awkward he is

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Speaker 1: and how bad he is with people, and how his

692
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Speaker 1: campaigns falling apart and whatever. I know he's going to

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Speaker 1: show up really well prepared, really well scripted.

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Speaker 4: I can imagine him having like the equivalent.

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Speaker 1: Of the Kamala Harris that Little Girl is Me kind

696
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Speaker 1: of a moment up there, and so I think he

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Speaker 1: may do himself some good being on that stage, and

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Speaker 1: he'll really be a focal point a lot of ways.

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Speaker 4: There'll be a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Attacks coming at him, and that gives him an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to parry those effectively and really try to reestablish himself

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Speaker 1: as a primary, serious Trump competitor. So that is why

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Speaker 1: I put those two gentlemen at the top. I do

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Speaker 1: want to say one other thing, just in terms of

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Speaker 1: how I was thinking about this. I suspect the person

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Speaker 1: who's performance I will like the most is probably Chris Christy,

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Speaker 1: and I do think he's very politically talented. I think

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Speaker 1: he will land his blow, et cetera. But this isn't

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Speaker 1: about who I'm gonna like, because I'm not a Republican

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Speaker 1: primary butter, I suspect the liberal media, you know, seeing

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Speaker 1: a no No a s NBC are also going to enjoy

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Speaker 1: Chris Christie's performances. Chris Matthews told us he's a liberal

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Speaker 1: pinup boy, which was accurate, But you know, is that

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Speaker 1: going to help him in terms of doing better in

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Speaker 1: a Republican primary.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't really see that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's see your losers and then I'll do mine.

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Speaker 1: And okay, okay, so let's go ahead and debut my

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Speaker 1: losers here, Mike Pence and Tim Scott. So I just

720
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Speaker 1: don't really see either of them being able to have

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Speaker 1: a breakout moment. Both of their political personalities are being

722
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Speaker 1: like the super nice guy and for better or worse,

723
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Speaker 1: I just don't know that that really sells. I don't

724
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Speaker 1: think it really provides the opportunity for you to have

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Speaker 1: that kind of spotlight grabbing, interesting breakout moment and assert yourself.

726
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Speaker 1: And if you aren't moving up the rankings of being

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Speaker 1: one of the top Trump alternatives, then I think you

728
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Speaker 1: know you're falling behind. And to me, it's particularly embarrassing

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Speaker 1: for Mike Pence, who was the vice president. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is a man who'sment of politics for so long,

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Speaker 1: who does have a lot of connections, who was literally

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Speaker 1: vice president of the United States for four years, and

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Speaker 1: has fallen down into, you know, best, a mid tier

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Speaker 1: competitor here, even in the context of a Republican primary

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Speaker 1: debate without Trump, And so for him to be sidelined

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Speaker 1: in this way, in such a visible on such a

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Speaker 1: visible performance, I think it's a real problem for him.

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Speaker 1: Tim Scott, there's a lot of media hype around him

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Speaker 1: at the moment, but again, I find it hard to

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Speaker 1: believe that he's going to really be able to achieve

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Speaker 1: any sort of a breakout moment.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's tough for him to Here, you go, Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's put my winners up there, because I think this

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Speaker 2: might surprise you. There's a little bit of a disagreement here.

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Speaker 2: We have to share one winner. So I've got Ramaswami

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Speaker 2: and Christy.

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Speaker 3: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: I believe that this is ultimately, as I said, it's

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Speaker 2: a vote for number two. Chris Christi is a talented debater,

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Speaker 2: well spoken. I believe he's going to be on the

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Speaker 2: attack against Ron DeSantis. And because I don't think DeSantis

752
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Speaker 2: has ever really been challenged at this level, particularly about

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Speaker 2: being like some sort of Trump tody, Christy's gonna knock

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Speaker 2: find some knocks against him. The other reason I put

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Speaker 2: Ramaswami is I think the veke is just far more

756
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Speaker 2: politically talented than Ron DeSantis. In a back and forth environment,

757
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: he always puts himself in challenging situations.

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Speaker 3: He was on our show, he was on SANNN.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's constantly battling with Caitlyn Collins don Lemon practice.

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Speaker 2: He knows exactly how to perry, how to get to it,

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Speaker 2: about how to knock somebody's attacks against him. I think

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Speaker 2: he's going to win on that front because he's also

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Speaker 2: going to be on the attack against DeSantis, and I

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Speaker 2: don't think Desanta is going to be able to levy

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Speaker 2: the same blows against him. Christy is likely to attack Dasantis,

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Speaker 2: but he's probably going to focus more of his attack

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Speaker 2: on sorry On. He's likely to attack the Veke, but

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Speaker 2: more likely to focus his attack on DeSantis because he's there.

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Speaker 2: Ramaswami though maybe the beneficiary of that, and I think

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Speaker 2: he will out battle him, at least in a duel

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Speaker 2: whenever it comes to fights about Trump indictment Forum also Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: He's the best, most articulate, well spoken person on there.

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Speaker 2: It's a big performance. So this leads into my losers

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Speaker 2: and this is probably my hot my hottest take Okay

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Speaker 2: number one, I think it's DeSantis. Wow, I think DeSantis

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Speaker 2: is gonna be the loser.

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Speaker 3: He showed a.

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Speaker 2: You know, obviously he's had several awkward moments on the trail.

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Speaker 2: Whenever he's pressed, he does get a little bit flustered.

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Speaker 2: He hasn't done enough contentious interviews. He's had some decent

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Speaker 2: moments in a press conference, but with the political talent

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Speaker 2: of Christy and Ramaswamy going up against him, I'm just

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Speaker 2: not sure that he's prepared for the moment.

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Speaker 3: The reason I put Mike Pence.

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Speaker 2: There is the exact same analysis as you to be

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Speaker 2: the former vice president, betrayaling a guy like the vake

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Speaker 2: Ramiswam when he wrote a book humiliating, humiliating. Let's let's

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Speaker 2: be honest. I mean, this is the al Gore thing,

789
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Speaker 2: you know, George w but this should have been his.

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Speaker 2: He should be coronated and this shouldn't even be debated.

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Speaker 4: And the Trump questions are like the most tortured for him.

792
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Speaker 3: Horrible too.

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Speaker 1: Like there everyone else is kind of either decided like

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to defend this guy or whatever, or

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Speaker 1: they're willing to bake the critique. Pens is still like

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Speaker 1: you can feel the anguish in every response, and yeah,

797
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Speaker 1: it's just kind of painful to watch.

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Speaker 2: And then Haley I mean, I've always believed she is

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Speaker 2: one of the least talented politicians on the stage. She's

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Speaker 2: a complete donor creation. I think she's going to have

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Speaker 2: the most scripted, fumbled answers. I hope Vivek smacks her

802
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Speaker 2: on Israel and any of these other comments or Ukrainer,

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Speaker 2: these other ridiculous positions that she takes. And I don't

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Speaker 2: think she holds up to scrutiny one bit. She never

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Speaker 2: puts herself in a position for a contentious interview. I mean,

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Speaker 2: she's one of the people who I'm like, really, you're

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Speaker 2: not going to respond about coming on our show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, lady here at three percent, Yeah, you should

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Speaker 1: be taking about all the positions you can.

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Speaker 2: But listen, you know, be my guest. I have always

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Speaker 2: bet against her political talent. I think she's terrible. I

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Speaker 2: think she's totally establishment. The voters really have nothing to

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Speaker 2: connect with her. Tim Scott I decided not to put

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Speaker 2: in my losers. I think he's just a watch. I

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Speaker 2: think he's a nice guy. Debates on his format, his formats,

816
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Speaker 2: a campaign trail, the speeches, so we'll see. But he's

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Speaker 2: not enough I think yet in my book to be loser.

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Speaker 2: Desantras is the most lose so far. We've not seen

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Speaker 2: enough political talent for him to rise. I could be

820
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Speaker 2: totally wrong. You know, he could be a big winner.

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Speaker 2: He has a potential to do it, but we haven't

822
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Speaker 2: seen that. Considering it is so much on a downswing.

823
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Speaker 2: He's got the most stake there tonight. I don't think

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Speaker 2: there's any question.

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Speaker 3: I think rom Swami's gonna have a great night. He's

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Speaker 3: just good at the format. He's good at what he does.

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Speaker 1: Obviously I put him as well winners too, So I

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Speaker 1: agree with you. I will say if he doesn't, it

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Speaker 1: could be for two reasons. Number one, he tends to

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Speaker 1: be pretty wordy in his responses, Like it takes him,

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Speaker 1: even when we were talking to him, like it takes

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Speaker 1: a minute for him to get.

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Speaker 3: To the talker.

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Speaker 1: He's a talker. He's a long talker. That's like, not

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Speaker 1: a knock on him, that's just his style. Takes a

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Speaker 1: while for him to like lay on the context. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't just he's not super punchy, right, and in a debate,

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Speaker 1: debates prioritized that, like you know, the one liner and

839
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Speaker 1: the punchiness, and you have a very short period of

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Speaker 1: time to respond. So if he has an off night,

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Speaker 1: I would say that is why.

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Speaker 4: And the other.

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Speaker 1: Possible reason is DeSantis and Co. Feel like he hasn't

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Speaker 1: been challenged on some of his past more liberal political sentiments.

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Speaker 1: You know, you actually challenged him Scaga a little bit

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Speaker 1: on that on our show about what he used to

847
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Speaker 1: say about January six versus what he says now on

848
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Speaker 1: January six are pretty different. I mean, he has made

849
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Speaker 1: a bit of I think a pretty significant political evolution

850
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Speaker 1: to position himself as this very pro Trump force within

851
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Speaker 1: the Republican primary. And that's just not where he was before.

852
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: So if someone could effectively land a blow on him

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Speaker 1: for that stuff, in particular around like how loyal are.

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Speaker 4: You really to Donald Trump?

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Speaker 1: That could matter because he has made Trump defense so

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Speaker 1: central to his politic political brand within the Republican primary.

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Speaker 1: But you know, my expectation, like, I think he's a

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Speaker 1: talented guy. I think he'll be planned for that. I

859
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Speaker 1: think he'll be prepared. I think he'll probably be ready

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Speaker 1: to parry those attacks. But if he does have an

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Speaker 1: off night, those would be the reasons.

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Speaker 2: I would say, here's the thing, this is why he

863
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Speaker 2: came on our show. He's been how many times are

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Speaker 2: now being asked about it? Five six times? It's like

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Speaker 2: that's the benefit of being in the arena. DeSantis hasn't

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Speaker 2: put himself in the arena this I think it's gonna

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Speaker 2: I think he's.

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Speaker 3: Gonna have a tough night. I really do, especially he snaps.

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Speaker 2: He really doesn't like being pressed, you know, And he

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Speaker 2: did okay in his debate against who is It? Charlie

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Speaker 2: crist But at the end of the day, you know,

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Speaker 2: this is it hasn't necessarily been his format, and he's

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Speaker 2: going to be taking it in ways that.

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Speaker 3: Vivek has had.

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Speaker 2: Chris Christy also, Let's let's be honest. I mean, he

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Speaker 2: knows even been in previous debates. He actually does a

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Speaker 2: lot of media interviews, in some cases contentious meeting.

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Speaker 1: He's been going on newsmaxim fighting with Eric. But he,

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Speaker 1: like Christy, is one of these guys that actually seems.

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Speaker 4: To relish the fight, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's this very New Jersey, New York personnel,

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Speaker 1: kind of like Trump in a way, you know. And

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Speaker 1: so I know he'll do an effective job. I just

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Speaker 1: don't think that he'll be landing the blows that will

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Speaker 1: move him up in terms of the Republican primary.

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Speaker 3: That's a whole lot of conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in terms of what the voters and all that,

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Speaker 2: I think that's one thing. In terms of who's gonna

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Speaker 2: have the breakout, I really I think Ramaswami is gonna

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Speaker 2: be the big dinner.

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Speaker 3: I really believe that.

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Speaker 1: Let me say, though, reality, I actually think the big

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Speaker 1: winner is going to be Trump. Yeah, of course, because

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Speaker 1: I mean the fact that so much of this debate

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Speaker 1: about him.

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Speaker 4: And this is what he's done in the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: This is why he is so central and why it's

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Speaker 1: so impossible to knock him off of his perch, because

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Speaker 1: he has made the Republican Party all about and really

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Speaker 1: all of politics, even democratic politics. He's made all of

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Speaker 1: politics just about how do you feel about Donald Trump?

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Speaker 1: And so the fact that that's like the central question

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Speaker 1: at the heart of these debates, that's already that's a

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Speaker 1: massive win for him, and that he can just you know,

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Speaker 1: and watch his little toadies go to work for him

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Speaker 1: on stage who are supposed to be his rivals. But

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Speaker 1: you know, the primary, like the ones who are most

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Speaker 1: serious are going to be out there defending him tooth

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Speaker 1: and nail.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a huge win for him.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 2: So look, that's what you guys have got in terms

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Speaker 2: of the debate. Because it ends so late, we just

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Speaker 2: decided we'll get up early and we'll make sure that

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Speaker 2: when you guys wake up, you will have full analysis

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Speaker 2: from us here.

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Speaker 3: We'll have Emily here, we're gonna have Kyla, we'll.

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Speaker 2: Have a bit of power panel, we'll have a breakdowns,

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Speaker 2: we'll have clips, full produced and good show for everybody

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Speaker 2: right in the morning whenever you guys wake up and

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Speaker 2: you want to digest all the analysis of what happened

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Speaker 2: the previous night. So we're really excited for that. I

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Speaker 2: hope you guys enjoyed the preview. As we said, we

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Speaker 2: have a special discount on our yearly membership just until

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Speaker 2: the debate starts. Links are down in the description, both

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Speaker 2: for the video and for the podcast of which you

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Speaker 2: are listening to. Otherwise, we will see you all tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Love you guys, See you tomorrow.