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Speaker 3: Well, you, as a creator, had a recently new experience,

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Speaker 1: And what I mean, my dat was my journey started

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Speaker 3: Lynn said it perfectly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was with the therapist, Oh you had

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Speaker 3: You don't have to do anything.

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Speaker 1: That you don't feel good about doing.

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Speaker 3: D Thank you for ball you continue to give us

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Speaker 3: and inspire us and your generosity, and thanks for being

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