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Speaker 1: There Are No Girls on the Internet. As a production

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Speaker 1: of My Heart Radio and Unboss Creative. I'm Bridget Todd,

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Speaker 1: and this is there Are No Girls on the Internet.

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Speaker 1: So here in the United States, we're on day four

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Speaker 1: of hearings around the deadly January six insurrection, where Trump

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Speaker 1: supporters stormed the Capitol believing Trump's repeated lies that presidential

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Speaker 1: election had been stolen from him and that he was

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Speaker 1: the actual winner. I obviously don't feel like I need

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Speaker 1: to tell you that that was complete bullshit, and it

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Speaker 1: really goes to show the power and danger that can

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Speaker 1: happen when lies and disinformation are weaponized. People died. Now

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Speaker 1: in that hearing, we heard the testimony of Ruby and

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Speaker 1: sha Freeman, and it really broke me. And I think

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Speaker 1: it's important for everyone to hear in their own words

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Speaker 1: how their livelihoods and safety were jeopardized by racist, sexist lies. So,

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Speaker 1: if you don't know, sixty two year old Ruby and

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Speaker 1: her daughter, Shae Freeman were both election workers in Fulton County, Georgia,

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Speaker 1: a state were Trump legitimately lost, and where he would

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Speaker 1: go on to pressure Georgia's Secretary of State to quote

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Speaker 1: fine votes for him in an attempt to cast doubt

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Speaker 1: on the election, Trump and his henchmen Rudy Giuliani repeatedly

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Speaker 1: named Ruby and Shay, both of whom are black women,

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Speaker 1: as specific election workers who were rigging the election in

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Speaker 1: favor of Biden. Now, this was an outright lie based

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Speaker 1: on nothing, and it basically destroyed their lives. Trump and

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Speaker 1: his allies obtained video of the women and baselessly lied

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Speaker 1: about those videos, saying they showed evidence of the women

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Speaker 1: vote hampering. In one video, Trump and Giuliani claimed the

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Speaker 1: women carried suitcases with as many as eighteen thousand ballots,

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Speaker 1: all for Joe Biden. Complete bullshit. There aren't even suitcases

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Speaker 1: in the video. They were just the normal boxes that

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Speaker 1: ballots are kept and moved in. Trump also said that

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Speaker 1: video of the women counting vote that the state farm

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Speaker 1: arena showed the fraudulent processing of ballots, Also bullshit. State

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Speaker 1: officials repeatedly cleared the women and all election workers of

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Speaker 1: any mishandling of votes. Complete nonsense. But none of this

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Speaker 1: stopped Trump and his croonies from putting these women in

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Speaker 1: real danger by repeatedly lying about it. And we need

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Speaker 1: to be really open about the ways that they specifically

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Speaker 1: used racism and misogyny to fuel this attack. I don't

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Speaker 1: think these lies would have worked in the same way

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Speaker 1: had Ruby and her daughter not been Black women, who

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Speaker 1: we know are disproportionately harmed by disinformation and online harassment.

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Speaker 1: Just listen to what Giuliani said about the women and

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Speaker 1: tell me it is not a racist line of attack.

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Speaker 1: Take earlier in the day of Ruby Freeman and Shae Freeman,

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Speaker 1: Mars and one other gentleman quite obviously surreptitiously passing around

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's ours. It's obvious to anyone who's a

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Speaker 1: criminal investigator or prosecutor. They're engaged in surreptitious the illegal activity.

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Speaker 1: Again that day and after a week ago, and they're

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Speaker 1: still walking around Georgia. Why should have been it should

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Speaker 1: places of work, their homes should have be searched for

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Speaker 1: evidence of balance, evidence of USB ports, for evidence of

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Speaker 1: voter fraud. So Giuliani accuses the women of passing votes

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Speaker 1: on a USB drive back and forth, which already like

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Speaker 1: what but in reality, what was your mom actually handing

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Speaker 1: you on that video that ginger man. Trump also accused

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Speaker 1: the women of vote tampering, basically attacking them by first

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Speaker 1: and last name. We had at least eighteen thousand, that's

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Speaker 1: voters having to do with the rumy Freeman. That's she's

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Speaker 1: a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer and hustler. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so here's what I think people are not saying clear enough.

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Speaker 1: I think that Trump and Giuliani just saw video of

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Speaker 1: say that those black women were the culprits, that those

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Speaker 1: reason that Trump lost the election, the same way that

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Speaker 1: Trump has repeatedly attacked black women like White House correspondent

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Speaker 1: involved in the vote counting process in Georgia, and that

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Speaker 1: and time again with disinformation and online harassment. This led

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Speaker 1: Ruby and Shay, at first, mostly centralized around Facebook Messenger.

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Speaker 1: Here's Shay's testimony. So I'm just asked him, like, where

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Speaker 1: are the messages? All I see is the fees, Like

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Speaker 1: lot of horrible things there, and those horrible things that

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Speaker 1: they include threats, yes, a lot of threats, um wishing

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Speaker 1: I'll be in jail with my mother, and saying things

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Speaker 1: like be glad it's not nineteen twenty. So obviously saying

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Speaker 1: to her being lynched and killed, which is just disgusting,

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Speaker 1: and she's testimony about how she felt is really heartbreaking.

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Speaker 1: I felt horrible. I felt like it was all my all,

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Speaker 1: Like if I would have never decided to be an

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Speaker 1: lying and spreading rumors and lies and attacking my mom.

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Speaker 1: I'm her only child, going to my grandmother's house, her

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Speaker 1: and I felt horrible for picking this job and being

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Speaker 1: the one that always wants to help and always there,

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Speaker 1: never missing out one election. I just felt like it

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Speaker 1: this situation. She's mom Ruby describes how she was always

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Speaker 1: a business owner and community staple in Georgia. Everybody knew

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Speaker 1: her as Lady Ruby. She even had a staple shirt

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Speaker 1: I won't even introduce my self by my name anymore.

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Speaker 1: I get nervous when I bump into someone I know

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Speaker 1: his ally, Rudy Giuliani, decided to scapegoat me and my

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Speaker 1: this experience of being targeted by the former president and

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Speaker 1: I no longer give out my business card, I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't want to go anywhere with my mom because

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Speaker 1: if not totally what the fun context. In addition to

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Speaker 1: the mixed bag of Trump cronies who you've probably heard about,

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Speaker 1: Ruby and Shay were also being harassed and threatened by

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Speaker 1: a woman named Trevanni Cooty. Trevanni was formally a publicist

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Speaker 1: knows how to pick men to associate herself with. Trevanni

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Speaker 1: website of the Women's Global Initiative, a business networking conference,

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Speaker 1: Leadership Council under President Donald Trump and that same biography

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Speaker 1: noted that in September, she quote was secured as a

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Speaker 1: since these facts occurred in any event. When Trevanni showed

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Speaker 1: really weird. According to Rolling Stone, the police body camp

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Speaker 1: footage of the conversation showed Trevanni telling the women quote,

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Speaker 1: You're probably wondering, is it that Harrison Ford from Indiana

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Speaker 1: Trump supporters did show up to their home. Back to

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Speaker 1: Ruby's testimony, around the week of January six, the FBI

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Speaker 1: informed me that I needed to leave my home for safety.

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Speaker 1: Um and I me my whole for safety around that time.

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Speaker 1: So they had to flee their home for their own safety,

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Speaker 1: which is bad enough, But here's where it gets even scarier.

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Speaker 1: Trump supporters actually tried to break into Shade's grandmother's home

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Speaker 1: to make a quote citizens arrest. I received a call

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Speaker 1: her laws like Shane, shame, Oh my god, Shane just

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Speaker 1: to make a citizen's risk. They needed to find me

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Speaker 1: All of this because Trump and his allies repeatedly lied

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