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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal.

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Speaker 2: If we had bragging news we do.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, per our friend Brett McMurphy, it is going to happen.

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Speaker 3: Oregon and Washington are going to be invited to the

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Speaker 3: Big Ten. They are going to accept that invite. This

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Speaker 3: follows what I can only describe as a whirlwind over

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Speaker 3: the last twelve hours or so, So just to paint

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Speaker 3: the picture for folks out there who are watching this

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Speaker 3: live as we're out on YouTube, who are listening in

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Speaker 3: their cars on the way home from work, the last

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Speaker 3: twelve hours have been kind of crazy. There was a

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Speaker 3: meeting last night with the Arizona Board of Regents. There

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Speaker 3: was also a board meeting that went deep into the

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Speaker 3: night on the Washington side. We all sort of went

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Speaker 3: to bed thinking that this was inevitable that the PAC

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Speaker 3: twelve was going to end up breaking up. We woke

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Speaker 3: up this morning and suddenly many of the reporters that

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Speaker 3: time to time are reporting something quite to the contrary.

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Speaker 1: There is renewed.

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Speaker 3: Optimism among those in the PAC twelve that perhaps they

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Speaker 3: could meet and among the remaining nine teams they could

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Speaker 3: sign seal and deliver this grant of rights deal again

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Speaker 3: to reiterate the grant of rights deal that we talk

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Speaker 3: about here. The TV deal with respect to the PAC

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Speaker 3: twelve was largely streaming.

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Speaker 1: It was a deal through Apple.

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Speaker 3: It would pay somewhere in the vicinity of twenty to

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Speaker 3: twenty five million dollars. We never got that official number.

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Speaker 3: There'd be incentives and escalators to make it higher, but

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Speaker 3: that was the deal. It seemed as if everyone was

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Speaker 3: began to fall apart again. Suddenly we start seeing reports

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Speaker 3: about Washington having concerns about the Apple deal. Suddenly we

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Speaker 3: start seeing reports about the Big ten meeting to perhaps

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Speaker 3: extend and invite out to Oregon in Washington despite some

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Speaker 3: objections that I guess they worked out on the financial side.

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Speaker 3: Got a great deal, got a great deal, got a

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Speaker 3: great deal. And so now here we are Dan a

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Speaker 3: little bit before one pm on the East coast on Friday,

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Speaker 3: what is it, August the fourth, and sort of becomes official,

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Speaker 3: I guess, not officially official, but it seems as if

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Speaker 3: the die has been cast that your Oregon Ducks alongside

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Speaker 3: you are Washington Huskies. My Washington Huskies are are headed

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Speaker 3: to the Big ten, so a lot to digest, a

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Speaker 3: lot to unpack. We are doing this live on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: For folks who are watching live, send us your comments.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we'll post some at the end. For our verballers

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Speaker 3: at verballers dot com or Patreon, who are i know,

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Speaker 3: chatting it up in discord, leave some comments there. We'll

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Speaker 3: try to incorporate those as well. Of course those will

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Speaker 3: be the first ones we incorporate because there are trusted verballers.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, Dan, how do you feel right now?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: This is a big Bookay, So there's there's a number

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Speaker 2: of different ways to attack this. I'll selfishly start with

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Speaker 2: my own personal feelings, as I mean, look, Oregon didn't

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Speaker 2: call me, washington't call me. It doesn't matter what I think.

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Speaker 2: I'm disappointed. I'm in touch with reality in that everybody

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Speaker 2: knew that this was a strong possibility of happening, and

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Speaker 2: the reasons are fairly obvious to everybody who pays attention

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Speaker 2: to college football, if not even more specifically, West Coast

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Speaker 2: football and the Pac twelve has been in a precarious

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Speaker 2: place with USC and UCLA leaving and the possibility of

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Speaker 2: signing a disappointing TV deal looming over everybody's head in

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Speaker 2: the Pac ten nine eight. Obviously Colorado leaves last week,

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Speaker 2: but in terms of how I feel as an Oregon fan,

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Speaker 2: both the sadness of West Coast football dying, and I

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Speaker 2: know people are like, oh yeah, the LA schools Oregon, Washington,

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Speaker 2: They're gonna be playing each other every year and it's

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Speaker 2: not West Coast football. These are West Coast tokens. That's

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Speaker 2: the I think the phrase I used. The Big ten

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Speaker 2: happy to take it and expand their West Coast footprint

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Speaker 2: so they can sell rotel ads at ten forty nine

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Speaker 2: pm Eastern. It's what a winning reason to destroy a sport, right,

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Speaker 2: What a winning reason to sell more Crest toothpaste commercials

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Speaker 2: well into the nights. Just just bang up job. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: my reaction is, I understand I am what am I am?

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Speaker 3: Old you're now, squarely in your fifth decade of squarely

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Speaker 2: So look, my experience as a college football fan is

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Speaker 2: the Oregon schools, Washington schools, various schools, LA schools, Arizona

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Speaker 2: So that's my own personal experience. My own feelings are

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Speaker 2: it's sad that we are getting rid of the scar tissue,

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Speaker 2: the rivalries, the care that is West Coast football. Now

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Speaker 2: you can say, well, if there were only a more

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Speaker 2: West Coast football fans, this might not happen. You're right,

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Speaker 2: You're probably right, But to say that the West Coast

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Speaker 2: shouldn't exist, Sorry, I'm having a Charlie Horse right now.

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Speaker 2: Ty as I'm saying this, I don't know if it's

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Speaker 2: because my emotions are getting the best of me. I oh,

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Speaker 2: Along with how everything is going. So it's sadness right

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Speaker 2: that Oregon does not strike me as a Big ten team.

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Speaker 2: Rutgers doesn't strike me as a Big ten team. I

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Speaker 2: just didn't grow up rooting for Rutgers or Maryland. It

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Speaker 2: all feels gross, it all feels sad, it all feels

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Speaker 2: antithetical to what Again, I'll speak only for myself. What

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Speaker 2: I feel like college football is, which is that you know,

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Speaker 4: Like it said that Big.

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Speaker 2: East football doesn't exist anymore. We can pull up the

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Speaker 2: two thousand and nine college football standings and just be

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Speaker 2: really sad that that's not the sport anymore. But that

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Speaker 2: doesn't do any anybody any good. Me being sad doesn't

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Speaker 2: do anybody any good. But I can only be me

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Speaker 2: tie and a universe in which Oregon plays Maryland in

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Speaker 2: football or Penn State in football. Playing Penn State would

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Speaker 2: be fun. It'd be fun to go to an Oregon

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Speaker 2: I don't feel anything about Oregon, Illinois, Oregon Indiana. Like

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Speaker 2: Oregon's already beat Michigan and Ohio State on their fields.

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Speaker 2: Can we just move on? Can we just move past

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Speaker 2: this idea? Let's get Oregon to the NFC WES people.

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Speaker 2: I don't know as for you know, people are gonna

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Speaker 2: think it's all clear. Everybody is clear that the only

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Speaker 2: winners here are USC alums running Fox Sports USC and

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Speaker 2: The only winners here are the people that are going

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Speaker 2: one of those things that just like on every single level,

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Speaker 4: Who is happy about this?

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Speaker 2: I'm sure some Oregon fans and some Washington fans are

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Speaker 2: happy about this because, you know, looking at the Apple deal,

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Speaker 2: looking at the possibility of the Big twelve, looking at

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Speaker 2: the possibility of a tiny conference, looking at the possibility

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Speaker 2: of being left behind, it's awful. It's an awful feeling

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Speaker 2: Oregon more so than Washington, just because Oregon has built

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Speaker 2: up this big national brand via Nike, via you know,

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Speaker 2: the brand marketing, they do whatever, and they've you know,

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Speaker 2: so Oregon can't be left behind. I know that, and

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Speaker 2: I don't want that for Oregon. But sort of two

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Speaker 2: play big teams. That's interesting to me on a certain level.

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Speaker 2: I cover this sport for a living. But like the

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Speaker 2: idea of where this sport that we both love so

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Speaker 2: much has been heading for a dozen years and is

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Speaker 2: now just erasing a region. It's not healthy. And if

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Speaker 2: it goes sideways, ty Fox will just buy up some

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Speaker 2: NBA games, Espn'll buy more Baseball. They'll be fine, They'll

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Speaker 2: write it off. It's like, well we tried, it didn't

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean some tweets out there that I think are

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Speaker 3: putting one on the screen from our friend Ari Wasserman,

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Speaker 3: who I think is sympatico with you, Dan. The worst

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Speaker 3: part it's not being done to improve the product, which

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people feel that way. It's right,

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Speaker 3: obviously a pretty reason viewpoint. Also, this is a little

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Speaker 3: ten is getting a hell of a deal. They're buying

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Speaker 3: the parts off of the PAC twelve. This is from

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Speaker 3: Ross Sellinger. This is a little bit dated. It was

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Speaker 3: last night, but I'd expect it's still fairly fairly accurate

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Speaker 3: Ross's tweet was that the Big Ten's offer to Washington

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Speaker 3: and Oregon is expected to be thirty five to forty

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Speaker 3: not seem to be much of an appetite from Oregon

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Speaker 1: We kind of expected when all of this news.

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Speaker 3: Was breaking last night that it was going to be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and what ended up happening is sort of in reverse.

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Speaker 3: We thought that maybe Oregon and Washington would then take

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Speaker 3: that as like their queue to exit state left. In fact,

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Speaker 3: and it seems as though others will follow suit. Arizona

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Speaker 1: They just sort of had their minds made up.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like at the Board of Regents meeting that

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Speaker 3: there was some lack of clarity this morning as to

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Speaker 3: whether or not they might move forward at all. Hence

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Speaker 3: them echo your general sentiment. I think it's kind of

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Speaker 3: an interesting conversation now to balance stability with nostalgia, and

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Speaker 4: You know why.

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Speaker 3: They're doing this, you know why they're doing this, and

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Speaker 3: you know who the benefits.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, you know who did this.

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Speaker 2: You know who did this. Tie, I don't even blame

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's something the Oregon State Legislature

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now the Platypus Cup. I know that the trophy

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Speaker 3: We've got a lot of comments in response to your

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Speaker 3: Here's hoping the annual Apple Cup and Oregon Oregon State

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Speaker 2: Oh, way less seismic. This was Oregon with limited options.

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Speaker 2: to do it all for the money.

439
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Speaker 1: Tie.

440
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I think last year was

441
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 3: way more seismic because it was effectively the writing on

442
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 3: the wall. Yeah, and it also came out of nowhere,

443
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 3: you know. That was That's been the one thing that

444
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 3: we've seen a lot of over the last couple of

445
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 3: years in college football that I feel is a little

446
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 3: bit different. We've had these major breaking scoops, whether it's

447
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 3: on the coaching front, or conference realignment front, or just

448
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 3: otherwise that feel like they come out of left field.

449
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 3: And the USC UCLA news when that hit, that was

450
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 3: like an atomic bomb going off in college football.

451
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:56,879
Speaker 4: This airful tie careful.

452
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 2: It's very much in the news right now, Oppenheimer still

453
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: cleaning up at the box off.

454
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 3: It was a stun grenade hitting all of us in

455
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 3: college football.

456
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 4: Is that better?

457
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: Thank you?

458
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 3: I think this is a little bit different because we've

459
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 3: had months on end now to speculate, and though we've

460
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 3: kind of had a war of pr firms, I want

461
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 3: to say, between the Pac twelve and the Big twelve.

462
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 3: I don't know to what end the Big Ten was

463
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 3: playing in that, But if you followed college football all

464
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 3: over the last six months, you know there's been a

465
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 3: steady diet of articles written trashing one conference in favor

466
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,959
Speaker 3: of another, of course, and it's been really hard to

467
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 3: suss out who's right and who's wrong in that capacity.

468
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 3: But there was plenty of room to speculate that this

469
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 3: was coming, so it didn't quite hit us in the

470
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 3: same manner. Obviously, the long term ramifications of this are

471
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 3: final and pretty seismic in their own right. But to

472
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Speaker 3: answer the question, I think it was last summer.

473
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure it was definitely last summer. Yeah.

474
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 3: Okay, what else do we got here? We've got As

475
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 3: an Oregon fan, I was surprised that USC was totally

476
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 3: against the move to the Big Ten due to our recruiting.

477
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: So what'll be interesting to me with USC, UCLA, Oregon,

478
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 2: and Washington is how you assume they're all gonna play

479
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: each other. Those of the West Coast games are gonna

480
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 2: be the protected rivals, and then everything else will sort

481
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 2: of cycle, like everybody's gonna want to avoid going to

482
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 2: Piscataway right as often as possible. Everybody's gonna want to

483
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 2: avoid going to College Park as often as possible, just

484
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 2: because you want to limit the flight times.

485
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.

486
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 2: Is Minnesota tennis now going to travel to Eugene with regularity?

487
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 2: Is Indiana softball going to host the University of Washington?

488
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: And That's what I'm looking for, Tay. I'm looking for

489
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: like random bad blood in a smaller, non revenue sport

490
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 2: that I can get fully behind as a positive with this,

491
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 2: with this outcome that you don't even know. But Oregon

492
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: Purdue hate each other when it comes to diving, they

493
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 2: just hate each other. I have no idea if either

494
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: school has a diving program, but I'm I'm I'm sure

495
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 2: those are going to be the protected schools, and USC

496
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: insists on like cal State Fullerton USC runs.

497
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Speaker 4: Baby, that's what they did.

498
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 3: Someone says this is a transfer portal for schools to

499
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Speaker 3: switch conferences to.

500
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Speaker 1: Get more money.

501
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 3: You're not wrong, yeah about that. Here's one from Robbie.

502
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 3: We can't even have a final traditional Rose Bowl game

503
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 3: since they're one of the playoff semi final games this year.

504
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 3: The Rose Bowl will be an interesting topic for discussion

505
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 3: moving forward. I saw some of the speculation was that

506
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 3: perhaps they could they could host a conference championship game

507
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 3: there instead of the historic hallowed venue of Lucas Oil Stadium,

508
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 3: which in its own right would would be a bit.

509
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Speaker 1: Of a loss for the Big Ten.

510
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 3: But I guess you gotta, you know, you gotta trade

511
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 3: off somewhere.

512
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know what becomes of the Rose Ball.

513
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: I think it's I mean, the rose Balls done.

514
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 4: So you know that.

515
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 3: Dominic wants to know when does the Big Ten start

516
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 3: kicking teams out?

517
00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: See now listen for a conference relegation. For as much.

518
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 3: As this is a bummer, the prospect of relegation actually

519
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: makes me kind of happy. Sure, if we're really going

520
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: to break this thing, let's freaking break it, right, Let's

521
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 3: break it and the Big Ten, for sure has a

522
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: couple candidates. Rutgers is over there, piscataway like Scrooge McDuck,

523
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 3: counting its coins, laughing maniacally, not having to be involved

524
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 3: in this fray at all. Northwestern, maybe in the heart

525
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 3: of the Big Ten, maybe has the academics that make

526
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Speaker 3: other Big Ten schools proud.

527
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty West champion tie.

528
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 3: Okay, they may have all that going for them, but

529
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 3: in terms of at least on the football field, they

530
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 3: haven't contributed a whole lot.

531
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Speaker 4: No, they have not.

532
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: I don't know what this lets. It's interesting trying to

533
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: think of the different angles of reverberation here. Yeah, I

534
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: don't relegation will likely not happen. But there is a

535
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 2: world in which Tony whatever, the new commissioner Petiti, how

536
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 2: do you pun Tony PETITTI Yeah, Tony Pettiti calls up

537
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: Rutgers and says you want to take thirty two instead

538
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: of fifty eight?

539
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 4: No, sure, thirty three. There is that universe.

540
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know this it that'll never happen. But uh,

541
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 2: you know, the reorganization of the sport I don't think

542
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: is done with. I mean, obviously we the ACC is

543
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 2: still yet to sort itself out. But the reorganization of

544
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: the sport, as we all barrel towards, you know, the

545
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 2: Fox Conference and the Disney Conference, is I think still

546
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 2: going to happen. And I think that's another element of it,

547
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 2: is you're just gonna you're gonna go twenty four teams.

548
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: What if you made what if you had eighteen teams?

549
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: What made the same amount of money? Huh yes, right, well.

550
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: So let me talk about that momentarily.

551
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,239
Speaker 3: We got a comment here from Joshua says, everyone has

552
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 3: talked about the future of college football having eight Big

553
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 3: two in respect conferences, but has become a Big three

554
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 3: with all the moves of Big twelves. I think so, right,

555
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: I think so? And I give the Big twelve credit

556
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 3: for seeing the writing on the wall. And you know

557
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 3: I love them or hate them, Bretty or Mark. You

558
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 3: think there's a big three, well, I mean there's a

559
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 3: big two.

560
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 4: When there's a clear three, there's a.

561
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: Big two and a half.

562
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's Big ten, it's sec but by

563
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 3: virtue of its moves, the Big.

564
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: Twelve is the third. Right now, the ACC is ahead

565
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: of the Big twelve. Okay, right now, as we record this. Okay, Florida,

566
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: Sat Clemson or in the ACC. Sure, Miami, for all

567
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 2: of its lackluster ACC specific history, is still in the

568
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 2: ACC North Carolina and Duke.

569
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: I'm thinking of it in terms of where I'm going

570
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: with this conversation next. Okay, Okay, So yes, at present,

571
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 3: we've got four's.

572
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: That's where we're at.

573
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 3: I do think it is only a matter of time

574
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: before we do have that big three.

575
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,719
Speaker 1: I think it's only a matter of time. So there

576
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: were news.

577
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 3: Headlines that surface Sportico had the exclusive earlier that Florida

578
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 3: State and it's now undying pursuit of getting out of

579
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 3: the ACC is looking into potentially raising private equity to

580
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 3: help defray presumably defray the costs of leaving the ACC.

581
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 3: They would be forced to pay one hundred and twenty

582
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 3: million dollar penalty, then there would be whatever on top

583
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: of that, whatever they could litigate litigate in court. Some

584
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: estimates are that it could be three hundred million dollars

585
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 3: or more. That's a big chunk of freaking change. Sure,

586
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 3: that's a big chunk of change. There have been other reports.

587
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 3: I saw rumors all throughout Twitter over the last two

588
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: days or so that perhaps a group of teams could

589
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 3: band together, dissolve the league and kind of form their

590
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 3: own in favor of each of them earning more money.

591
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: To your point, right, we could have twenty four teams

592
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 3: or we could have eighteen and we can all make

593
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: a little bit more. So there's all sorts of wild

594
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: things floting around out there. I think by virtue of this,

595
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: a team like Florida State is going to get very antsy.

596
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 3: I think a team like North Carolina is also interested

597
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 3: because North Carolina fits in.

598
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 4: Both the BRCC.

599
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 3: Virginia has a pretty big athletic department in terms of

600
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 3: total revenue, as does Clemson. So Miami is another school

601
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: that you could see fitting in a couple different ways.

602
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: It just seems to me like now with this PAC

603
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: twelve thing out of the way, the focus shifts to

604
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 3: the ACC and we know there is discontent there. I

605
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: don't know how long it takes for them to figure

606
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: out how to tunnel under or climb over what they've

607
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: got with their granted rights deal which runs through twenty

608
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 3: thirty six, but it seems like that is where this

609
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: conversation goes next, and if it ends up going there,

610
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: and I'm telling you this right now. If it's just

611
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: one team, if it's Florida State, if it's North Carolina, Virginia, Miami,

612
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 3: if it's just one team that decides they're out of

613
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: the ACC, they're going to pay the money. Maybe they're

614
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 3: going independent. I don't know. But if it's one team,

615
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 3: then Notre Dame breaks for the Big ten. It takes

616
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: one team in the ACEC to push that chip and

617
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 3: then everything everything goes away a super conferences.

618
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 4: That's what you happen.

619
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Speaker 3: Three.

620
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Speaker 2: There's likely going to be half some prolonged negotiation, you know,

621
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: that leaves the have nots, the quote unquote have nots

622
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: at least in a secure place. If this is going

623
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: to be a focus right that, there is going to

624
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: be some sort of buyout that maybe is not on

625
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,479
Speaker 2: the level of you know, however many dozens of millions

626
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: of dollars you're quoting, but there will be some sort

627
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: of something what was the old Gwyneth Paltrow terminology conscious uncoupling.

628
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: There will be something along those lines in the ACC.

629
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: Money will be exchanged. There will be some sort of

630
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: mid Atlantic version of the Big twelve that will come

631
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: out of it. And I don't know what they're going

632
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: to call themselves the Chesapeake Conference. But I think that's

633
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: where we're heading, that those big names will disperse to

634
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: the Big ten in SEC and or medium names. Right that,

635
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: even though Virginia is not a huge name, the academics

636
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: are always going to be attractive to a place like

637
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: the Big Ten. North Carolina academics laugh all you want

638
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: after the football scandal, but otherwise North Carolina has very

639
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: good academics that they're going to be attractive, especially with

640
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: their their basketball history. Tell me how you feel, tie like,

641
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: I'm the one who gave my emotions. Okay, I want

642
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: to turn this on you, the more handsome half of

643
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: this show. Thank you, Dan, appreciate I'm the one who

644
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: reacted as an Oregon fan. One, you are a stakeholder

645
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: because one you are the host of the solid verbal.

646
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: Two you grew up and continue to live in Big

647
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: Ten country and are a Big Ten alum and half fan.

648
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: You're a halftime Big Ten fan with your your split

649
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: Penn State Notre Dame allegiance. And three you have to

650
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: do a show with me. So if you if you

651
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: put all of those into an emotional smoothie tie, how

652
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: do you feel about Oregon? And Washington joining the Big Ten.

653
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 4: Not like from a well, it seemed inevitable.

654
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: We all know that. We know now, Look, it's how

655
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: do you feel? I feel kind of bummed out by it.

656
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 3: You know, everybody watching this, you're right, we are peaking.

657
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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Everybody who's watching supports our show. Everybody watching this knows.

659
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Speaker 1: Why this happened.

660
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 3: This isn't a surprise. It's been going this way and

661
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 3: it maybe was inevitable. But a big part of my

662
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 3: college football fandom was formed watching the Rose bul was formed, Yeah,

663
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: was formed under the assumption that the Rose Bowl was

664
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Speaker 3: the biggest ticket in town. I remember fondly watching those

665
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: old Rose Bowl games with Keith Jackson on the call

666
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: and the granddaddy of a mobile. You know, maybe we

667
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Speaker 3: tend to romanticize college football in a way that isn't

668
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Speaker 3: on part with reality, especially nowadays, but that was the

669
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: world of college football when I grew up, and that's

670
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Speaker 3: what turned me on to the sport. And I know

671
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Speaker 3: it's the same for you. And so to know now

672
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Speaker 3: that part of that is gone, you know, the Rose

673
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Speaker 3: Bull won't be the same. They will find ways to

674
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Speaker 3: use the Rose Bowl. Obviously, the Rose Ball is going

675
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Speaker 3: to be part of the playoff. It's not like the

676
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 3: Rose Bull itself is going to go away. But the

677
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Speaker 3: tradition that was, by the way.

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Speaker 2: That was like one of the first major, may major

679
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: college football games. I remember learning about Oregon Penn State.

680
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: That Penn State was this power. That's what Kerrie Collins,

681
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: Kajana Carter, we're just dudes name and names at this point.

682
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: And the scrappy organ Ducs who had never really done

683
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Speaker 2: anything until that point. Mike Belotti was just the offensive

684
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: coordinator for Rich Brooks way back then, I want to say,

685
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Speaker 2: Danny O'Neill.

686
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Speaker 4: Was the Oregon Quarteret quarterback.

687
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Speaker 2: So that specific game was like now, Oregon is far

688
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Speaker 2: from scrappy now and Penn State continues to be a power,

689
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Speaker 2: but that it's just funny that that that that that

690
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Speaker 2: duo is us, right, I mean, And so my point

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Speaker 2: is just.

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Speaker 3: That I really kind of put the Rose Bowl on

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Speaker 3: a pedestal, and that to me felt like college football

694
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Speaker 3: more than anything. And of course they're going to continue

695
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Speaker 3: to play the Rose Bowl game. It will be part

696
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Speaker 3: of the playoffs, people have pointed out here in our chat,

697
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 3: and that that game itself is not going away, and

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Speaker 3: We'll still have the parade and all and all the

699
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 3: things that kind of go around it, but the tradition

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00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 3: has sort of been kneecapped. The tradition behind it and

701
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: what made it truly special has been neecapped. Some of

702
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 3: these rivalries. I'm not a West coast guy. I don't

703
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 3: know much about Oregon, Oregon State. I know it's a

704
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 3: hell of a rivalry. I love watching the Apple Cup.

705
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 4: The Apple Cup a bunch of them.

706
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 3: The Apple Cup is always feisty. You know, these rivalries

707
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 3: tend to be the last thing we think of whenever

708
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 3: Conference re alignment, or at least the people behind conference

709
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 3: re alignment, it's the last thing they think of. So

710
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 3: much was made of Texas and Texas, A and M

711
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: when that goes all Thanksgiving weekend. Yeah, right, So I

712
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 3: think I think the fact that we get that back

713
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: next year is starting next year is a good thing

714
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Speaker 3: in the SEC. But it just seems seems like every

715
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 3: time we have one of these big tectonic shifts that

716
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 3: we lose something like that, we lose part of that charm.

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00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 3: And that's the part that makes me sad about this. Yeah,

718
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: that's the part. You know, I've covered this intently in

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Speaker 3: the newsletter that we send out every Thursday, and I

720
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: feel like I know about as much about this as anybody.

721
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Speaker 3: But and so for me, from that standpoint, it's not

722
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Speaker 3: really been a surprise. I think some of the shock

723
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Speaker 3: is that that's gone.

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Speaker 1: I've never I haven't had that since March.

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Speaker 3: But now that it's here, the fact that one whole

726
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 3: conference that played such a big role in my fandom,

727
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 3: even though I didn't have a dog in that fight,

728
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 3: that's set right, And that's the part that sucks.

729
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Speaker 2: The term, the term that I used, and we used

730
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Speaker 2: on this show I don't know we did this show

731
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 2: last year was scar tissue. And that's the thing that's

732
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: it's almost impossible to describe to people what it feels like.

733
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, yeah, you think about Washington, you think

734
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: about the Apple Cup, you think about Oregon, you think

735
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 2: about the Washington Rose Buls, whatever. Washington fans have very

736
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: specific scar tissue about every single team in the Pac twelve.

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00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 2: They have scar tissue about playing against Stanford and getting

738
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: pushed around. They have scar tissue about Oregon and other

739
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 2: teams have scar tssue about Washington like Oregon fans, even

740
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 2: though Oregon has won a majority of those matchups since

741
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: whatever to thousand and two or whatever. Oregon fans don't

742
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: love Jake Browning. Oregon fans have memories. I mean, last

743
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: year's game hurts as an Oregon fan for me, And

744
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: as as bad as those things are, then you flip

745
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: the coin and you're just like, oh, it's so fun

746
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 2: thinking about when Oregon stopped Christian McCaffrey and Stanford. And

747
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Speaker 2: that's a whole different convererenation, a whole different conversation.

748
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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: That the one thing that I will add though, and

750
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: this is one thing that it needs to be mentioned. Yeah,

751
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: you're a Penn State fan, if you're an Ohio State fan,

752
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 3: if you're a fan of an existing Big Ten school, Yeah,

753
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 3: possibility exists now for much higher quality games on that schedule. Sure,

754
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: higher quality games USC. You're gonna get USC every so often. Oregon, Washington,

755
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: these are these are premiere programs. UCLA's getting there. Maybe

756
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: they're not fully there to the same degree. Yeah, but

757
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 3: I mean, right now we're talking about three of the

758
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 3: four teams leaving the PAC twelve that we have in

759
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: our PAC twelve preview episode as the main contenders for

760
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 3: the conference. So I think on that level, getting some

761
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 3: better regular season games. Sure, that's okay for the fans.

762
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 3: You know, the tradition aspect decide, getting better regular season games,

763
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 3: which is what college football is supposed to be all

764
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: about the regular season, it'll feel like non conference games

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Speaker 3: for a while.

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Speaker 4: Much the way Maryland in the Big Ten still feels

767
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 4: that way. They're in the Big Ten. They're in the

768
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 4: Big Ten. Confirmed. But you get where I'm going with this.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that we lose out in terms of

770
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Speaker 3: regular season games. There might be a whole lot with

771
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 3: it that sucks and puts the sport on a weird

772
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 3: glide path. However, I'm okay with some of those games

773
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 3: that we don't typically see. I'm okay with Penn State Oregon.

774
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: I'm okay with Penn State Washington. Now I'm not sure

775
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 3: Washington is okay playing Rutgers. It's an easy win, but

776
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 3: a long plane ride, right, so that whole aspect decide.

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00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 3: I'm okay with what I think is higher quality regular

778
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 3: season games for the home viewer.

779
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless they don't matter as much in a twelve

780
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: team playoff world. Right, unless like Oregon goes and beats

781
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: Michigan State, and Michigan State still goes eleven and one

782
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 2: doesn't have to play or ten and two and doesn't

783
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 2: have to play in the Big Ten Championship game, still

784
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 2: goes to the playoff. So you're balancing that as well

785
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: that we now live in a universe in which the

786
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: regular season, because of an expanded playoff, the stakes are

787
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: just lower. Now you can maybe falsely say more teams

788
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: are going to feel like they're in it near the end.

789
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 2: But yes, we will get matchups that are interesting. Oregon

790
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 2: in Wisconsin will play and Washington and Minnesota and Michigan

791
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: and UCLA, and all these things will happen. Didn't by

792
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: the way, didn't they already release the matchups for the

793
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four season when UCLA go back to the

794
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 2: drawing board and figure out how to incorporate the Ducks

795
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Speaker 2: and the Huskies and so look at the I released

796
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: some happy Oregon in Washington continue that's when both teams

797
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: are good. That's an incredibly emotional affair, and so happy

798
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: about that. But yeah, you're right about it. Taking a

799
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: second to remember the like, oh, UCLA, Indiana has divisional

800
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: stakes of some kind. If they go to some sort

801
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: of division. I don't know, it's it's somebody in the comments.

802
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to search through it,

803
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: but they're like, it all feels very sterile, and it does.

804
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Speaker 4: It does.

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Speaker 2: I watch college football because it's not the NFL. I

806
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: don't want the NFL to invade my college football.

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Speaker 3: Stone Cold three sixteen. Thank you for the super chat. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't want higher quality games, the goals to win

809
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 3: a championship, better regular season games that are harder. I

810
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 3: love games against Rutgers in Indiana.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and why they hell not? Why they hell not?

812
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Speaker 3: Right?

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00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 4: Yeah?

814
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Speaker 2: So I don't know, man, I guess Look, I can go.

815
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Speaker 2: I can drive to Oregon games now from the suburbs

816
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 2: of Chicago. There's a bunch within three or four hours.

817
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 2: I think what ann Arbor Madison obviously, Evan, I'm not

818
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 2: sure how far Iowa City is, but it's in that range.

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Speaker 4: Bloomington's in that range. But I don't know. They're better

820
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 4: on TV sometimes.

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Speaker 3: Better on TV sometimes, So look, why don't we leave

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely absolutely so.

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Speaker 3: Dan, until we speak next on this, you gotta fade

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Speaker 3: it like they do at the end with like an

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Speaker 3: injury for that guy, Dan Rubinstein From myself, Tye hilden Brand,

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