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Speaker 1: Happy Friday to all of you. We've got a busy
Speaker 1: weekend ahead as the Cowboys players will not be on
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Speaker 1: if you're in southern California to be out here on Sunday.
Speaker 1: It is a four o'clock start time. Players hit the
Speaker 1: field starting at three thirty and there's fun for the
Speaker 1: whole family. How are you guys doing this morning? You're perfect,
Speaker 1: You're perfect. Way you set things up, I mean, you
Speaker 1: just kind of go right into that's a professional guy,
Speaker 1: But no, do it good feel like you know, it's
Speaker 1: the three days a practice have been pretty good. Off
Speaker 1: day coming up. You know, players kind of get a
Speaker 1: chance to catch their breath. We need to catch our
Speaker 1: breath a little bit too. But it is going to
Speaker 1: be a really exciting weekend with you know, with the
Speaker 1: practice leading into the Blue White, because like with the
Speaker 1: Blue White, you're gonna get some actual, some tackling and
Speaker 1: see a lot of these young young guys get options.
Speaker 1: As a former scout, I appreciate that the most when
Speaker 1: I'm trying to put this team together. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: nice little preview for preseason game number one. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: we'll see me just five days later. Five days later,
Speaker 1: we'll see some of these young guys, like Brian said,
Speaker 1: towards the end of practice in a real competitive situation,
Speaker 1: and then they will probably dominate most of the snaps
Speaker 1: against the forty nine ers. We had some preseason football
Speaker 1: last night too. We did Football's game, Yeah Fighting seventeen
Speaker 1: sixteen win by the Ravens over the Bears RG three
Speaker 1: in the house. That's right, Yeah, yeah. Man. Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: though thrown had mixed reviews, but it's the first preseason game,
Speaker 1: first to five for those two teams. The next Thursday,
Speaker 1: of course, the Cowboys will be up the road in
Speaker 1: Santa Clara to take on the forty nine ers and
Speaker 1: again though on this Blue White scrimmage. In fact, after today,
Speaker 1: it's four straight practice days for the Cowboys, afternoon practices Saturday,
Speaker 1: Sunday and Monday, and eleven am practice specific time on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: And Brian doesn't like to talk about the weather, but
Speaker 1: he did mention it just before we came on the
Speaker 1: air that it's gonna be eighty eight degrees on Monday
Speaker 1: and Tuesday. That's very hot for this place. It is.
Speaker 1: But you know, Jason Garrett, if you were asking him,
Speaker 1: he would probably get a little smile about that. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not like it's a devastating weather, but you know
Speaker 1: you can still breathe. But yeah, that's good. They get
Speaker 1: a little heat, and you know, it always helps your team.
Speaker 1: It helps, not not the excessive heat, but little heat
Speaker 1: helps your team kind of get things going. So on
Speaker 1: the news this morning, I heard that in San Diego
Speaker 1: it's been so warm that the Pacific Ocean has reached
Speaker 1: a record high of seventy degrees at the beach as
Speaker 1: it really I'm thinking high of seventy. I'm still not
Speaker 1: going in the water. Seventy degree seemed to me. Those
Speaker 1: to me those Shark Week movies. I'm never going in
Speaker 1: the water. I'm the guy. I'm the guy waving on
Speaker 1: that man. Good to see him. Yeah, yeah, I'm here,
Speaker 1: and I don't. I don't get into the pool like
Speaker 1: in Texas. You know, obviously it gets into the nineties
Speaker 1: in May in Texas. But I'm not getting into the
Speaker 1: pool until. My rule is Memorial Day to Labor Day.
Speaker 1: That yeah there, and it's got to be at least
Speaker 1: seventy eight. Yeah, and that's pushing it. Sometimes were such whimps. Seriously,
Speaker 1: I talked to my wife the other day. She's like,
Speaker 1: it really cooled off at home. It's like ninety eight.
Speaker 1: It's not one hundred. It's not a hundred. Can I
Speaker 1: tell a real quick little story. It's not Mickey's minute, No, no,
Speaker 1: but they'll try to make this quick. When when when
Speaker 1: I lived in Green Bay, when it was zero degrees,
Speaker 1: you felt zero degrees, so you feel it, But the
Speaker 1: next day it would be five. You could honestly feel
Speaker 1: how what the difference between five extra degrees? What it
Speaker 1: felt like to your body? You're like, oh, I feel it.
Speaker 1: I understand it now. So I mean when you get
Speaker 1: to a certain point, it ninety eight is actually pretty
Speaker 1: cool compared to one hundred. And I tell a quick
Speaker 1: little story. It's like the weather channel. One of my
Speaker 1: best friends in high school. Uh he is. He and
Speaker 1: his family moved down from Wisconsin to Irving, Texas. Uh
Speaker 1: And they were at a high school football game in
Speaker 1: early November in Texas, having having lived in Wisconsin their
Speaker 1: whole lives, and they felt They said that I've never
Speaker 1: been this cold in Wisconsin. When you get that Texas
Speaker 1: wind blowing and it's thirty degrees, it's quite a difference.
Speaker 1: I can tell you an expensive story. Here we go.
Speaker 1: My electric bill just showed up. Oh I do not
Speaker 1: want to say. Oh, air conditioner never shuts. I remember
Speaker 1: my sister asked me, the air conditioner ever turn off?
Speaker 1: I go, no, it's got a it's got to cool
Speaker 1: off like thirty degrees when it's one hundred and ten,
Speaker 1: just to get it to seventy five. Knock on wood.
Speaker 1: I'm just praying that my air conditioner makes it another
Speaker 1: That's what I am, because it's it's due to be replaced.
Speaker 1: Fix mine weekend before we left. You fixed it yourself.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not I paid three hundred bucks or whatever. Okay,
Speaker 1: what'd you get out of yesterday? Favorite day of practice?
Speaker 1: That was a good, favorite day of practice. I love
Speaker 1: red zone work. You know, we didn't get the we
Speaker 1: didn't get the off. Some defensive line involved. But I
Speaker 1: really felt like that when they came out and they
Speaker 1: had the one on one and you have Chasing Garrett
Speaker 1: there really keeping score and he's almost like he's prodding
Speaker 1: the defense. That's eleven to four. Somebody gonna stop the
Speaker 1: bleeding here. You know, somebody's gonna make a play, so
Speaker 1: you know, and you can kind of tell. And then
Speaker 1: the intensity, not that the intensity wasn't from the word go,
Speaker 1: but I thought the receivers did a really good job
Speaker 1: of getting open and then all of a sudden it
Speaker 1: became like, you know, Christopher Shard and then got involved
Speaker 1: and said, okay, let's let's start playing some shutdown defense here,
Speaker 1: and they were able to do that. I liked. I
Speaker 1: love that period because hey, you compete, be both sides
Speaker 1: really kind of got at each other, and I thought
Speaker 1: that was really see it is right in front of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah that at last week, we're standing at the end zone.
Speaker 1: We had to back up off the line, tethered to
Speaker 1: his camera and he'd try to see everything. Well, and
Speaker 1: you can you can hear the coaches, Yeah, hear the
Speaker 1: coaches coaching up the players. Right. So at one point
Speaker 1: it was eleven to three, right the offense. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then it got to fourteen to ten to six, and
Speaker 1: then he was like, okay, the next play is worth
Speaker 1: six points, the defense one, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: it's fourteen twelve. Well, they had they had a deal
Speaker 1: too where if you remember, they had a string where
Speaker 1: they went like the offense was just clicking it along
Speaker 1: and then they at the end like Mickey, after the
Speaker 1: six point play, then it became like they made three
Speaker 1: or four stops after that that were good. You know
Speaker 1: along the sidelines at Jeff Heath play, somebody was making plays, uh,
Speaker 1: to keep them out of the end zone. Was the moneyball? Yeah?
Speaker 1: When well up when he upped the any on the point,
Speaker 1: that's when the defense made because at one point it
Speaker 1: was it was one point, and that's when he Garrett
Speaker 1: was really going there. Maybe birds flying over, just got
Speaker 1: hit myself, calmed down, Yeah, yeah, don't be strain. I
Speaker 1: got a coaching Yeah, throw the headset off, can't help.
Speaker 1: I've got a coaching point to make here. Whether you're
Speaker 1: coaching at the professional level, the college level, high school,
Speaker 1: for you youth sports coaches out there, make it fun
Speaker 1: for your players. What Jason Garrett was doing there, it
Speaker 1: was he makes it a competitive drill. Okay, So when
Speaker 1: you're coaching girls softball or whatever, keep score of the
Speaker 1: drills that you're doing, right, but it makes it it
Speaker 1: has your players more engaged in the drill. But the
Speaker 1: thing that I got out of that drill from a
Speaker 1: coaching standpoint as well, it relates to the Cowboys Packers
Speaker 1: game when Aaron Rodgers threw the fade over Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: right to win the game. Okay, I remember Dave Campo
Speaker 1: texted me at that time, right when that happened, and said,
Speaker 1: you can't guard the fade like that. The cornerback cannot
Speaker 1: guard the fade. You can't look back at the quarterback. Okay,
Speaker 1: you remember in that game they threw a fade that
Speaker 1: was more of a lob to the corner of a
Speaker 1: Rodgers did on Jordan Lewis over there. Okay, he saw
Speaker 1: the technique that Jordan Lewis was using. He looked back
Speaker 1: over his shoulder right at the quarterback, and then they
Speaker 1: came right back, hit him again, hit him again, and
Speaker 1: he did saying technique. Chris Richard was coaching his corners
Speaker 1: over here right said you can't look back. You can't
Speaker 1: look back. You got to guard in the hands, guard
Speaker 1: the hands. And I texted Campo uh last night and said,
Speaker 1: they're teaching him just like you said. Well, if you
Speaker 1: notice the guy that the guy that seems to have
Speaker 1: the ability to really play the ball, whether it's down
Speaker 1: the field or in the end zone, has been Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: and Byron Jones is a can not only can he
Speaker 1: get his head around quick when he's chick when he's tracking,
Speaker 1: but he has ability to get back to the hands
Speaker 1: and he's he's a if he sees his hands, he
Speaker 1: will swat through your hands every single time to try
Speaker 1: and and and at least disrupt you. He's gonna make
Speaker 1: you make a contested catch, either you're gonna get it
Speaker 1: or he's gonna knock that thing over by you and
Speaker 1: I and standing over there and there in the inside
Speaker 1: Cheto did that too, and one on ones over there
Speaker 1: in the corner against Kale McCabe was giving up four
Speaker 1: inches on the guy right and was still able to
Speaker 1: high point the ball last second, make a contest get
Speaker 1: the ball down. That was impressive. Both those guys are
Speaker 1: just absolutely flying around out here. My good as. It
Speaker 1: was a bludgeoning Yeah, yeah, proding the defense, it was,
Speaker 1: and you know what, and it was going on without
Speaker 1: Herns or Thompson on the field too, by the way,
Speaker 1: those guys got themselves a day off. Yeah, Herns has
Speaker 1: got some tight uh both odds, both of them are.
Speaker 1: They're a tight so. But yeah, that it was and
Speaker 1: providing opportunities for the younger guys. Oh yeah. In fact,
Speaker 1: the first first guy you mentioned on your notes today
Speaker 1: or tell me what you're seeing, I tell you what though,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're they've committed. Lance Lenor was a favorite
Speaker 1: of Will mcclays when they brought him in last year.
Speaker 1: He returned punts with really some you know, some poor results,
Speaker 1: but they kept him around on the practice squad. He
Speaker 1: was one of those guys that I was told that
Speaker 1: was when they practiced reps when they when they were
Speaker 1: actually getting ready for games. Now, he was the scout
Speaker 1: team guy, but he was also getting reps with the
Speaker 1: first team, and when they wanted to throw a guy
Speaker 1: in to kind of give somebody a break during practice,
Speaker 1: he was getting some work. He's been a guy, he's
Speaker 1: a he's a favorite of the quarterback. He was a
Speaker 1: guy that was part of the star group that came
Speaker 1: in every day and was working with Dak Prescott and
Speaker 1: went down with Dak to Orlando exactly. So he's he's
Speaker 1: tried his best to but he's starting to show up.
Speaker 1: They're putting him on the outside, they're putting him in
Speaker 1: the slot. He made a tremendous catch yesterday in the
Speaker 1: in the uh in the red zone where he was
Speaker 1: able to uh, you know, he was going against Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown and Brown was all over him and he and
Speaker 1: he just reaches up with his hands, he snatches it.
Speaker 1: Brown swiping at the ball. He gets the ball down
Speaker 1: to him and then he's able to secure it. But
Speaker 1: he gets both feet in right next to the pylon,
Speaker 1: you know, and then gets the gets the touchdown. So
Speaker 1: they're throwing him a lot of opportunities here. We've talked
Speaker 1: about guys that haven't been practicing. You know, hey, if
Speaker 1: you're able to run, you're able to make plays, they're
Speaker 1: gonna keep you. They're gonna keep you on that football
Speaker 1: from No. Brown. Better get on the field before he
Speaker 1: gets He said he was a favorite of of Wills.
Speaker 1: He was a favorite of Das. Yeah. I asked Dak
Speaker 1: about it one day in the locker room. He goes,
Speaker 1: that's my guy. Yeah. You know what, that's interesting you
Speaker 1: bring that up. What number does Lance Lenore wear fourteen fourteen?
Speaker 1: What number did Miles Austin wear his rookie year fourteen fourteen?
Speaker 1: What did Tony Romo say about Miles Austin after about
Speaker 1: a year? Who going into training camp? I think the
Speaker 1: second year? Who is the guy that was his guy?
Speaker 1: Miles Austin and college free agent? Right, and top of
Speaker 1: all the stuff the reps he's getting, he's also back
Speaker 1: there catching punts too, and hopefully better than he did
Speaker 1: last year. Remember that time it was the first get
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame games. Well, I remember the Hall
Speaker 1: Also the game we played in at the Colosseum. Brad
Speaker 1: and I were doing the game and he was like
Speaker 1: halfway in the sun halfway and it was yeah, trouble
Speaker 1: that year. Oh gosh, It's like yeah, and that can
Speaker 1: get you cut, right, because Gray Williams is no longer
Speaker 1: roster because he struggled returning punts for several days in
Speaker 1: camp already. You know, the day before he was running
Speaker 1: to come back and he slipped and fell, and he's
Speaker 1: on the ground, prone and forward like he dove from
Speaker 1: the ground. He was he was laying on the ground.
Speaker 1: Mickey's absolutely right. He's horizontal to the ground, and somehow
Speaker 1: he manages to pop himself further towards the sidelines and
Speaker 1: then reach back to get the football. He continue to
Speaker 1: make plays like that. A couple of a couple of
Speaker 1: other notes on Lance Lenore out of Western Illinois. The
Speaker 1: Leathernecks career records, they're two hundred and seventy three catches
Speaker 1: for nearly thirty eight hundred yards. He was a high
Speaker 1: school teammate of Laquon Treadwell in the South suburbs of Chicago.
Speaker 1: Create Illinois Deep dis Pizza down there, Yeah, Create you
Speaker 1: can get it. Yeah. That was the next suburb south
Speaker 1: of where I grew up. And by the way, they
Speaker 1: were two thousand and twelve state champions. Yeah, I've done
Speaker 1: my some of my prep work. That bead is ready
Speaker 1: for him to have a big game. Yeah, I'll be
Speaker 1: I'll be wet blanket man over here. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the numbers. Yeah, that's gonna be tough. That's the deal.
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to he's gonna have to really show out.
Speaker 1: And how does he have to beat then? Okay, just
Speaker 1: okay seven or eight? Practice needs gonna have to beat
Speaker 1: the he needs him to keep seven. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: I'm looking. I'm counting six right now, that like I
Speaker 1: feel good about. But how are you dressed for a game? Five?
Speaker 1: Just five for a game? Probably so he's your part returner,
Speaker 1: maybe you can dress for the game. But remember they
Speaker 1: they they they brought him up at the end of
Speaker 1: the season last year, sure to make sure they had
Speaker 1: the rights to him. Sure, what about punt return? Well,
Speaker 1: if he's dressing, if he's your guy, I mean that's
Speaker 1: why return. Yeah, right, he was. He was working yesterday's
Speaker 1: with I mean, well, well Williams. They gave Beasley a
Speaker 1: little time away from the punt returns. He kind of
Speaker 1: I thought he did his hamstring and when I asked
Speaker 1: him after practice, He goes, I got kneed on the
Speaker 1: side of my muscle in the quad. Don't don't You
Speaker 1: didn't need Tavan to be your punt Yes, yes, I
Speaker 1: mean you're trading. And with the new kickoff rules, we'll
Speaker 1: see how in the preseason. That'll be interesting to see
Speaker 1: how it manifests the new rule. The only the only
Speaker 1: reason you wouldn't do it is if you're worried about
Speaker 1: him getting hurt. But but you traded for him because
Speaker 1: he can do so many different except when the ball's
Speaker 1: being punted inside the red zone, then you want beastly. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what if they'll go back to that? I think so.
Speaker 1: Do you think Keith Oqua will carry on that tradition? Think?
Speaker 1: He He pointed that out to me, by the way,
Speaker 1: without even asked, Hey, can I ask you a question
Speaker 1: about And you were talking about Noah Brown and he
Speaker 1: made an excellent point yesterday, and I want to give
Speaker 1: you credit for that, But you were talking about the
Speaker 1: linebackers that this team now has, and it went over
Speaker 1: my head there and I apologize, but but I went
Speaker 1: back and thought about watching the show and stuff. You
Speaker 1: said that with the more linebackers that they might not
Speaker 1: be able to keep Noah Brown? Is that kind of
Speaker 1: is that kind of keep him just because he can
Speaker 1: play special teams? He's gonna yeah, you know, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to make it as a wide receiver. There
Speaker 1: you go, See I missed that. I think that's good
Speaker 1: to think about the linebackers they have now that can
Speaker 1: play special teams. Know, before it was basically wilbur and
Speaker 1: Damian Wilson. Right now you got vander Esh March, Lillard, March,
Speaker 1: Thomas Thomas. Because why was he why was he drafted?
Speaker 1: Maybe if he why was Noah Brown drafted? Seventh round?
Speaker 1: Seventh round? Why was he? The size? Probably the traits.
Speaker 1: He was drafted to be a wide receiver, yes, not
Speaker 1: to be a special team game Well yeah no, but
Speaker 1: it was. But one of the main reasons he was
Speaker 1: he was drafted was how young he was and how
Speaker 1: he was wrong. There's no question, Ohio State guy who's
Speaker 1: twenty years old coming out and you want him to
Speaker 1: develop into something. And but you're right, he's got to
Speaker 1: get out here and and this preseason and shows up
Speaker 1: because of the numbers at the wide receiver position, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be he can have a leg up on everybody
Speaker 1: else because of his specialty, Which six did you count? Well,
Speaker 1: if you're counting Tavon as a receiver, and I still
Speaker 1: have I've not seen him in the backfield yet. He
Speaker 1: said yesterday after practice that I haven't been in the
Speaker 1: backfield yet, but he's ready and Willie, maybe they're not
Speaker 1: showing it. Maybe they don't want us to watch that tet.
Speaker 1: I've got Tavon Beasley Gallop Thompson, who by let's not
Speaker 1: forget that Sanjay coached him, Yeah, and has holds him
Speaker 1: in high regard. Yeah, hearns. And I got Terrence Williams.
Speaker 1: That's six. Right to see. This is where it's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting if they and Mickey don't don't kill me
Speaker 1: because the money. I understand he's making money. I understand. No,
Speaker 1: it's just guaranteed. Yeah, but I'm saying, do they swallow
Speaker 1: that then to keep a player that might be better
Speaker 1: than Terrence war cap wise, they've got room to swallow.
Speaker 1: That was a question for our Alexa app Brian the
Speaker 1: other day. If it comes down to a young guy
Speaker 1: with potential, Terence is in the last year of his deal, right,
Speaker 1: is that a consideration for that? See, that's not that
Speaker 1: that's what That's what I'm thinking. Would they would they
Speaker 1: would they would they sacrifice the space to keep a
Speaker 1: Lance LN or keep a Thompson keeping Noah Brown? Is
Speaker 1: he in the last year of his deal? No, I
Speaker 1: know he's got two more the last year of the
Speaker 1: garts the coaches and again this is a new coach.
Speaker 1: The coaches traditionally keep guys, are like to have guys
Speaker 1: that they have familiarity with. Now he's got a new
Speaker 1: coach he's playing for. You know, does does this do
Speaker 1: these rules apply to him? Where I'm making you think?
Speaker 1: Jay was very uh noncommittal, no defensive of Terrence Williams
Speaker 1: yesterday because somebody suggested that, uh, well, have you had
Speaker 1: an effect on him? Because I see him, uh catch
Speaker 1: the ball with his hands. Yeah. He looked at him,
Speaker 1: and he goes, well, I maybe I'm not watching as
Speaker 1: much as you guys do. He goes, But I asked
Speaker 1: him a question about he's got the reputation of being
Speaker 1: a ball yeah, and he said, and he goes, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen him. He's been catching the ball with his hands,
Speaker 1: He goes, You know, and sometimes you got to catch
Speaker 1: the coleb tell you that I mean, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of times yeah you got that plant. So he
Speaker 1: he's he's pretty sharp. But I will say this, yes,
Speaker 1: did you watch him after practice yesterday? Over here? San
Speaker 1: Jay and Terence Williams twenty minutes they were working specifically,
Speaker 1: And that's the reason if front, That's that's why I
Speaker 1: asked him the question. Things they were They were specifically
Speaker 1: working in practice on catching the ball on an out
Speaker 1: route with with the hands. Yeah you know, but okay,
Speaker 1: we did good describing what he's doing now better? But
Speaker 1: is that going to be good enough to make this
Speaker 1: football team? Would they consider we're just crystal ball in here?
Speaker 1: We're not. I'm not. I'm not saying this is gonna happen,
Speaker 1: But I wonder if they do have if if if Thompson,
Speaker 1: if Noah Brown coming back, if Lance Lenore and say
Speaker 1: that Williams doesn't pick things up, Not not that he is.
Speaker 1: I think he's doing a really good already looked pretty
Speaker 1: good here. Okay, but if it comes down to one
Speaker 1: of those guys, who do you take? Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: left off Noah Brown in this list that he'd be seven,
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they keeping think that's the you guys are
Speaker 1: not going to answer that question. That's because we're up
Speaker 1: against the break, all right, and Chris and Indiana will
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Speaker 1: Chris in Indiana won't be Oh, yesterday's note Christian Indiana.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I think Chris is back.
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Speaker 1: because we had this conversation yesterday. I was just smiling
Speaker 1: two years ago today, August third, twenty sixteen, Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: got hurt. Kelen Moore broke his ankle. We had our
Speaker 1: dak for cootus points who stepped on his ankle? What guard?
Speaker 1: That's a good one. Oh, is he still on the team.
Speaker 1: Though I don't. I'm just getting I think it was
Speaker 1: probably Clay to board. May I think him? I think
Speaker 1: it was him. I think it was Clay to board
Speaker 1: and stepped on his ankle. I changed the course of
Speaker 1: quarterback history. Indeed he did. Of course that happened. And
Speaker 1: at the time, Dak was battling Jamie Showers for the
Speaker 1: third string quarterback job and Kellen Moore was the backup.
Speaker 1: And then three weeks later, of course, Tony Romo breaks
Speaker 1: his back and the rest is Dak Prescott history. We
Speaker 1: talked to Kellen about this a few days ago and
Speaker 1: he said, well, we got Dak Prescott out of the
Speaker 1: mix of something good happened. I mean my led to
Speaker 1: the end of my career to buddy. So here's the
Speaker 1: question I posed to Dak Prescott yesterday when we did
Speaker 1: the Dak car wash. What is your interview on with him? It?
Speaker 1: We aired a little bit of it last night, but
Speaker 1: I think the entire the entire conversation will be Sunday
Speaker 1: night on CBS eleven. We'll post it as well. I'll
Speaker 1: retweet it at CBS eleven Bill Jones. Anyway, all right,
Speaker 1: So here's my question. I mean, and you can chime
Speaker 1: in on this, all right. Setting that stage there, Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore goes down, Tony Romo goes down. All right, What
Speaker 1: was the most likely thing to happen two years later,
Speaker 1: that Kellen Moore would be Dak Prescott's quarterback coach, That
Speaker 1: Tony Romo would be the lead analyst on CBS, or
Speaker 1: that Jason Witten would be the lead analyst on Monday
Speaker 1: Night Football. Most likely or least like the most likely
Speaker 1: thing that you would have predicted at that time, Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore is the quarterbacks coach. That was what I said, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he was headed and I talked to him about this.
Speaker 1: He was always headed down this path, yes, family of coaches,
Speaker 1: and he told me that you know what happened to
Speaker 1: him is right over there a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: just kind of accelerated the path because he kind of
Speaker 1: became a coach player coach that year anyway from him
Speaker 1: and Mark Sanchez great help. So you're all in agreement
Speaker 1: that Kellen Dak's answer was Romo and Witten. He really
Speaker 1: decided between the two because they're always going to be
Speaker 1: successful at whatever they do. Basically, you know, yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's just assuming they were done with football. Rank how
Speaker 1: you think, Okay, rank one to three, one being the
Speaker 1: most likely, three being the least likely, Kellen Romo, and
Speaker 1: then Witten least likely. Because I thought Witten would play
Speaker 1: till I thought Witten would play two or three more.
Speaker 1: I thought it be the other way. You thought on
Speaker 1: the broadcast on Monday Night Football, No, that he would
Speaker 1: have no, no, that he would be retired before right. Okay? Yeah,
Speaker 1: see that's that's where I think my money on football
Speaker 1: is such an iconic brand. Jason Witten is the last
Speaker 1: guy that I thought would be on Monday Night Football
Speaker 1: as an analyst, the last guy on April fifteen. Yes,
Speaker 1: because you thought he'd still be playing, or you didn't
Speaker 1: think he would go into I just didn't think he
Speaker 1: would go into TV. I didn't think Jason went I
Speaker 1: thought Jason Witton's path was going to be into coaching,
Speaker 1: and and then the next thing, you know, he's coaching Memphis,
Speaker 1: and then he's coaching you know, he's coaching Vanderbilt, or
Speaker 1: he's coaching you know. I think that's kind of where
Speaker 1: I thought he would go. Here's where I here's where
Speaker 1: I think Witten's career is going right now. It's he's
Speaker 1: Monday night football booth and whenever that Tennessee head coaching
Speaker 1: job opens, Yeah, that's where he's headed. He's thirty six,
Speaker 1: has a lot of life left to live, you know,
Speaker 1: willing he can do. A lot of guys have come
Speaker 1: out of the broadcast booth and become head coach. The
Speaker 1: Titans job might come open if something happens in Ohio
Speaker 1: State and with Brave Bravel going on the back to
Speaker 1: his alma mater and little yeah but when getting that job,
Speaker 1: but he try for the volunteer. Yeah. Little did you
Speaker 1: know about Kellen Moore's family of coaches? Yea, his grandfather
Speaker 1: coach basketball at my high school. Yeah, little did we
Speaker 1: know that, Bicky, Hey there rank now rank now Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore Mickey's high school coach is full not my coach
Speaker 1: he coached. Oh okay, you didn't play basketball at high
Speaker 1: school backy junior high Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know that.
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin played basketball in high school. He revealed, Bill,
Speaker 1: don't use all your material now, that's just Tavan brought
Speaker 1: it up yesterday because we were talking about the wide
Speaker 1: receivers carrying the bricks. It just wrote that down to
Speaker 1: remind me that I had that quote, and he actually
Speaker 1: used They used that same drill in basketball in high
Speaker 1: school at Table High School, and he said, I didn't
Speaker 1: shoot no bricks in high school. So I picked that
Speaker 1: thing up. Yeah, that's I was gonna ask. Because he
Speaker 1: picked up the brick. It weighs twenty five twenty five pounds,
Speaker 1: but it's painted so it's clipp slick. So I was
Speaker 1: holding it and it just slid roud. It wasn't because
Speaker 1: hand sized didn't have a problem. Well no, it did
Speaker 1: strang strength, but the paint just it slipped right out
Speaker 1: of my hand. Yeah, imagine that. Because there's no podcaster
Speaker 1: professional wide receiver. Somebody didn't make it but ten yards
Speaker 1: who who? I didn't see that someone. We have trouble. Well,
Speaker 1: they're trying, they're trying to build up to it. Wants
Speaker 1: them to go with early in camp, without your breath. Seriously,
Speaker 1: only take Noah Brown one earlier, That's what he said. Yeah,
Speaker 1: early on. It's just been one one trip down and
Speaker 1: they've kind of gotten better at it. Tavon said he
Speaker 1: only made it like halfway across. Yeah, you can't. You can't.
Speaker 1: There's no grip, you know, it's not like it's a
Speaker 1: rough surface that you can kind of dig your fingers into.
Speaker 1: It just slipped right out of my hand. Oh wonder
Speaker 1: why you're not out there? I mean, we're not. I'll
Speaker 1: go next time professional God to do a talking Cowboys version.
Speaker 1: They're in that tent. We go do it. I got
Speaker 1: two numb fingers right now thinking about it. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: see already, excuses I'll try. I'll go. And by the way,
Speaker 1: every time I talk with Dak just come away more
Speaker 1: and more impressive. You know, I've talked about it yesterday.
Speaker 1: He's just a stud. Is he feeling pressure? Bill? I
Speaker 1: did bring that up to him, and he added a
Speaker 1: likely answer. But uh, you know, he's just exudes confidence
Speaker 1: apps to be the leader of your team. And and
Speaker 1: going back to our conversation from whenever it was yesterday
Speaker 1: or the day before about that pressure of the contract
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, he's got so much confidence about it.
Speaker 1: He didn't even think about that. That's why I said yesterday,
Speaker 1: like when he says that stuff, I actually believe it.
Speaker 1: If he says, if he told you that there's no pressure,
Speaker 1: most guys say that and I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, I mean, yeah, sure, there's pressure. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much, Chap. Yeah for the interview. Okay, thanks, but
Speaker 1: well I'm not gonna get in this discussion with you
Speaker 1: again today. But everybody out there's got pressure looking at him.
Speaker 1: But it's it's it's opera. I think he probably used
Speaker 1: it more as opportunity. It's banics for him. It's how
Speaker 1: you opportunity, motivation, opportunity, good words. Okay, so the backup
Speaker 1: quarterback situation, Okay, what do you see in there? I
Speaker 1: hope we got a couple of gamers, because it's kind
Speaker 1: of been a little hit and miss, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, Mike White. I've got two size fourteen Nikes
Speaker 1: right up on the top of this table for Mike White,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's it's been it's been a little bit
Speaker 1: of a struggle for him, to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: From what my evaluation is, I think he's holding the
Speaker 1: ball a little bit too long right now, and some
Speaker 1: of his throws, I think he's some of his indecision
Speaker 1: as far as where he wants to go with the
Speaker 1: football has been a little bit of a rough. And again,
Speaker 1: he's a rookie guy at Cooper Rush. He hasn't been
Speaker 1: perfect either. I think some of the stuff down the
Speaker 1: field that he's tried to throw has been a little off.
Speaker 1: He's made some throws and then times he'll make a
Speaker 1: throw in here where's he going, ends up in a
Speaker 1: spot of the field. I'm just very hopeful that we
Speaker 1: have these four preseason games, that they get protection, they
Speaker 1: continue to get good wide receiver play, and that both
Speaker 1: Scarborough and Jackson and those guys can tote the mail
Speaker 1: to keep defenses off him a little bit so they
Speaker 1: can make some play action throws and and and and
Speaker 1: complete some passes and get a little bit more confidence
Speaker 1: about what they're doing. So what about that guy Jackson, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Varius Jackson, He's had some nice both Scarborough's had some
Speaker 1: good runs too. Yeah, they're gonna have a tough time.
Speaker 1: Hopeful about that. I really am. So it was a
Speaker 1: Trey Williams release solely because of the instability to I
Speaker 1: think Mickey's got the actually and I think after they
Speaker 1: saw Jackson, yeah they yeah, I mean, because you know,
Speaker 1: and I got reminded. I forgot. He's not even a
Speaker 1: year removed from his ac ACL injury. Right, So, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you know the thing the Cowboys you gotta remember about Jackson,
Speaker 1: They liked him, they didn't want to lose him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was on the he was on the inactive list
Speaker 1: for twelve games, and then they had to make a move,
Speaker 1: and I think the move is to get Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: on the roster. Darren mcfaddman it was McFadden, Okay, I
Speaker 1: knew it was. Who was somebody that they had to
Speaker 1: release that never mind. But but yeah, they thought they
Speaker 1: were going to sign him back to Cleveland, Cleveland and
Speaker 1: Cleveland with Cleveland doing Cleveland doing a good thing, you know,
Speaker 1: you mean, if you're looking at personnel, you know, and
Speaker 1: you're a bad team trying to add guys. And it
Speaker 1: didn't work out for him Cleveland like that, and then
Speaker 1: he tours a c right right away. And the thing
Speaker 1: I'll say about the backup quarterbacks that Brian said gamers,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm willing to reserve judgment until we see games
Speaker 1: because I'm just looking at yeaheah, you're right. Just was
Speaker 1: your just you know, we're out here watching practice and
Speaker 1: when and when they when things are good, you say
Speaker 1: they're good, and when things are not so good. You
Speaker 1: say they're not so well, you're absolutely Dak same thing.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's fair, No, Brian, you're dead on. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just remember Cooper Rush last year. I don't think
Speaker 1: he showed a ton in practice, and then he got
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame game and not only did
Speaker 1: he make plays you're talking about twenty or something like that,
Speaker 1: some crazy thing. The protection wasn't great either in that game.
Speaker 1: So we'll see. But but but yeah, Mike White does
Speaker 1: a lot of the time look like a rookie quarterback
Speaker 1: processing things. I thought it'd be. I thought it would
Speaker 1: be a little bit of a smoother transition for him.
Speaker 1: He is a rookie quarter Yeah, yeah, just a seven
Speaker 1: or eight practices, please, you know, I bear with me here.
Speaker 1: I'm just evaluation. Yep, that's all right now, maybel early, Yep,
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah. How many people like you said, why
Speaker 1: did Jamil Showers scouts thought when the scouts thought that
Speaker 1: they had Dak Prescott when Jamie show hours, that's what
Speaker 1: they thought. That scouts will admit that they thought they
Speaker 1: thought they thought they thought Dak Prescott. They went Scott
Speaker 1: Lenahan and the coaching staff were the ones that really
Speaker 1: pushed Wade Wilson really pushed for Dak Prescott, and the
Speaker 1: Scouts argument was, well, wait, don't we have Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: and Jamie Showers. And they went back and forth, back
Speaker 1: and forth, and then the coaching staff won. That won
Speaker 1: that discussion and it worked out for him very well.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about it was a business. No, no, no worries,
Speaker 1: no problem. But think about it as we talk about
Speaker 1: two years ago today. At that point August third, twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott had not separated himself Jamiale Shower much less
Speaker 1: but Jamie and not until they go to the college
Speaker 1: the RAM game, and we're all sitting in that open
Speaker 1: air press box going where's this guy been? And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you start remembering the things that
Speaker 1: Dan Mullen and those folks at MISSISIPI said, State said, Hey,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be glad you drafted this guy. He's he's
Speaker 1: a he's a big time player. He went, he's a winner.
Speaker 1: All these things started going through a head. I'm like, going, man,
Speaker 1: Dan Mullen was right about this guy got in the Houston.
Speaker 1: People were saying the same thing last year about DeShawn
Speaker 1: watching Shawn Watson, you know, and and what his college
Speaker 1: his college coach was basically compared him to the greats
Speaker 1: that played the game, you know, even at the NFL level.
Speaker 1: And we saw it in the glimpse that we got
Speaker 1: of him last year. Yeah, Showers and still play quarterback.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the age. And I don't you know, if
Speaker 1: he doesn't this doesn't work out here, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he could go get another shots
Speaker 1: made a couple of nice plays yesterday. Yeah, showed up.
Speaker 1: He played safety. Yeah, but see where he was. Where
Speaker 1: was he making plays? The field was smaller, and his
Speaker 1: reaction seat we always see him. His reaction. He knows
Speaker 1: where he needs to go. It's just getting there in
Speaker 1: a timely manner. And it's sometimes it happens to Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods as well. But you you when you can shrink
Speaker 1: the field a little bit, the reaction time is Oh,
Speaker 1: if you just react the right way, you can make
Speaker 1: say he did. He did a couple of nice things,
Speaker 1: just they Showers did. I was impressed by him. He's
Speaker 1: got a different body now than what he had to
Speaker 1: go two days. Yeah, yeah, all right, give us a
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Speaker 1: That was a tease, go for it, just go for it. Okay.
Speaker 1: So we here finally put our little yoga story together.
Speaker 1: I'm excited about this. Yes, what is this gonna air
Speaker 1: fills tonight? Yes, eleven and at home, we'll make sure
Speaker 1: we tweet that out too at CBS eleven, Bill Jones
Speaker 1: and h So it goes back to Saturday when we
Speaker 1: forgot our first glimpse of yoga, and then Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: called me out at the press conta and being the
Speaker 1: local TV station, anytime the coach mentions your guy's name,
Speaker 1: you gotta gotta try. You gotta air that every sportscast
Speaker 1: from now on. Right. So, anyway, and Stacy Hickman, the
Speaker 1: yoga instructor, is not talking. We were waiting to see
Speaker 1: if we could get an interview with her. Well, she's
Speaker 1: off limits. And in fact, yesterday we wanted to get
Speaker 1: some more video of the yoga and that was off
Speaker 1: limits too, So they put the kabash on yoga. But
Speaker 1: we are going to persevere fight through it. So anyway,
Speaker 1: last night, after I did my live shot out here,
Speaker 1: we had to have a closing stand up with me
Speaker 1: doing yoga, and so I'm hitting record at home. Where's
Speaker 1: my fault? I'm an ask he recorded. Rowdy just happened
Speaker 1: to be out here on the field because a competing
Speaker 1: sportscaster who was celebrating his seventieth birthday, that would be
Speaker 1: Dale Hansen. He was there presenting a birthday rowdy with
Speaker 1: a fire extingu What it was is that? What it was? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't watch You're not alone. So anyway, we grabbed
Speaker 1: Rowdy and so I've got in a little and rowdy
Speaker 1: did too in a little yoga pose. Oh let me
Speaker 1: tell you that yoga stuff. Yeah, all I did. I
Speaker 1: wasn't really doing I was. I was just sitting down
Speaker 1: with my legs crossed and did you feel old? Yes,
Speaker 1: very good by hims. I mean I haven't used those
Speaker 1: muscles and forever your legs stop. Yeah, like you know
Speaker 1: that's not politically cured. I had to bring that up
Speaker 1: as soon as it left my mouth. I said it
Speaker 1: to folks. I said, like, you know, American style. Did
Speaker 1: they have to twist you at the at the end?
Speaker 1: I didn't. I did, like put my fund up there
Speaker 1: and my other fund over. It was just I was
Speaker 1: not doing the like you would sit at a pick
Speaker 1: set or something, sit on the ground. Picture tea pictures
Speaker 1: sitting on the ground. I think we should do that.
Speaker 1: My problem, my issue on one a minute is that
Speaker 1: I got got torn meniscus in my left knee, and
Speaker 1: so it is painful for me to sit in that lake.
Speaker 1: Well I didn't realize is how painful it would be
Speaker 1: on my hips as well. So anyway, Yeah, keep working out, Bill,
Speaker 1: You're doing a great shot. Yeah, what you'll do for
Speaker 1: a good story, right, that's exactly right. Yoga. So I
Speaker 1: sat there and with their eyes closed and hands out,
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Speaker 1: pretty nice. The weather I mean, is yea sweating sweating
Speaker 1: anything at all? Yeah, all right, we continue with talking Cowboys.
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Speaker 1: Nate in Georgia, you're up on Talking Cowboys. Hello, Nate. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: thanks for taking my call. Really enjoy the show. It
Speaker 1: sounds like you guys are having a really good day today.
Speaker 1: Thank you. But I also wanted to mention I really
Speaker 1: love the banter between Brian and He's just awesome. So
Speaker 1: please continue that. A couple of questions. First off, currently,
Speaker 1: with the way the defense is made up, UM, you know,
Speaker 1: nothing against the defensive tackles or the safeties, but if
Speaker 1: there needs to be an upgrade, um, you know specifically
Speaker 1: with that uh, that safety up in the Pacific Northwest,
Speaker 1: what would be what would make the defense better right
Speaker 1: now if they were to upgrade the safety position or
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle position. So that's the first question. And
Speaker 1: the second question, UM, I haven't heard much about Joel Lanning.
Speaker 1: Uh does he have a shot of making this team
Speaker 1: as a linebacker? Um? Just when that's that, thank you
Speaker 1: very much, I'll sit back and listen to things. Appreciate Lanning.
Speaker 1: I think his best bed is practice squad for him.
Speaker 1: I think he does. He's such a good athlete. You
Speaker 1: could put the guy on the practice squad and he
Speaker 1: could do I mean, the guy played quarterbacks runs, you know.
Speaker 1: And to keep in mind with Lanning too. I mean
Speaker 1: he inverted to linebacker his last year at Iowa State, right,
Speaker 1: so right, Yeah, he was a quarterback and he played
Speaker 1: some quarterback even when he was playing a linebacker at
Speaker 1: an all conference level and a great conference, the Big Twelve. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he did it against Oklahoma too, and they beat
Speaker 1: tough defense. They have made it to the College Football
Speaker 1: Playoff for the second time in three years. You know
Speaker 1: something something about Landing though. He might be your new
Speaker 1: version of Jamille Showers. Yeah, you know, the guy that
Speaker 1: can do a lot. But I was gonna say he's
Speaker 1: perfect for the practice. He sure is, and you know
Speaker 1: it's and we've got we've got a blue Blue White scrimmage,
Speaker 1: We've got preseason games. I guarantee it the last you know.
Speaker 1: The great thing about it is we don't have a
Speaker 1: cut until September one, so he's gonna get four shots
Speaker 1: in the preseason games, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: maybe he could find a way to solidify a position
Speaker 1: on the practice squad. You know, you're always competing. You're
Speaker 1: always competing. If you're a guy, you're competing for practice
Speaker 1: squad spots as well. So hopefully he can and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe that. But if he shows up, well, and we'll see,
Speaker 1: I think this linebacker croup with who they've got there now,
Speaker 1: will be tough for him to make. But practice squad
Speaker 1: is surely not out of the question. So if you
Speaker 1: were going to add a five time Pro bowler to
Speaker 1: this defense, would you rather do it at defensive tackle
Speaker 1: or safety? I said this the other day, I would
Speaker 1: rather do it at defensive tackle. Right now? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I would too, And that's because I know you've
Speaker 1: talked about Xavier Woods. He's still learning, he's still learning
Speaker 1: how to recognize things. But I kind of like what
Speaker 1: I've seen from him. Sure, I think he brought a
Speaker 1: lot of potential. Now is he going to be an
Speaker 1: All Pro player? I don't know, but you know he's
Speaker 1: a six round draft pick. Sure, I think he's got
Speaker 1: a chance to be a pretty good starter for this
Speaker 1: team if they stay status quo. See, I gotta know
Speaker 1: who the five time Pro bowler is? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's why I got to know the defensive tackle. We
Speaker 1: already know it. Okay, it's Earl Thomas is the one
Speaker 1: in question at the position. And I just going trade
Speaker 1: for Aaron Donald since they don't want to pay right now,
Speaker 1: there's a thought. Now if it's Aaron Donald, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: all in. Everybody's all in. I yeah, I just feel
Speaker 1: like that if you were going for the defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: you would probably go younger, longer term, if you were
Speaker 1: gonna make that trade. If you're going for the safe,
Speaker 1: you're probably looking at a two to three year deal
Speaker 1: for that one. So so what would who like? Would
Speaker 1: would Sue be the equivalent and at this stage in
Speaker 1: his career or the equivalent of what Thomas is? So
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're with that, if you gave me,
Speaker 1: if you if you get down now, if you gave
Speaker 1: me a choice between Sue and Thomas, I would take Thomas.
Speaker 1: So that's what this kind of point in time in
Speaker 1: my career. But okay, say all right, say this, how
Speaker 1: about this, Say that the say the Rams want to
Speaker 1: give up on like Brockers, Michael Michael Brockers, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was, he was. He was part of the Clayborn
Speaker 1: that's they took. They take stayed in that spot. They
Speaker 1: they stay in that spot. That's where the Ram, that's
Speaker 1: who the Rams took. Okay, would you take Michael Brockers
Speaker 1: for say that's a good example, a third round pick,
Speaker 1: absolutely see rather than Earl Thomas. Yeah, just from a
Speaker 1: number standpoint. By the way, I don't know if we
Speaker 1: touched on this. Cavon Fraser is back at safety and
Speaker 1: at least, you know, he's a he's a rotation guy.
Speaker 1: I think maybe he's trying to compete for a starting job. Um,
Speaker 1: so he's back in the mix at least. Yeah. By
Speaker 1: the way, it sounded like it's more diet than medication
Speaker 1: to treat whatever you know came up. Yeah, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's from a comfortable point, they're a little
Speaker 1: bit better figure, you know. That's what he he actually
Speaker 1: did say. That's so. And I think what everybody needs
Speaker 1: to remember about the Earl Thomas thing, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: not only about the draft pick. He wants a lot
Speaker 1: of money. Yeah, and I saw what he wrote on
Speaker 1: It's the Tribune and and that sounded all fine and good,
Speaker 1: but he didn't mention in there that he wants to
Speaker 1: be the highest paid safety in the game. The other thing,
Speaker 1: I think players like him when they sign a contract,
Speaker 1: you gotta start putting in that before your last year
Speaker 1: or the contract, you better put a clause in there
Speaker 1: that if I'm on the roster on March first, I
Speaker 1: get this amount of my base salary, because that's why
Speaker 1: they get into these situations. And I understood his argument
Speaker 1: about I've been here, I've done all this for the
Speaker 1: team data DA, Well, you get to that point, you
Speaker 1: better have that clause in the contract because then you
Speaker 1: get older and they say, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: can afford that now, So that clause needs to be
Speaker 1: in that contract when you're entering your last year. If
Speaker 1: I'm an agent. Yeah, I just I feel like with
Speaker 1: with him, you know, the money, I don't. I'm not
Speaker 1: so much worried about the money, and I'm not worried
Speaker 1: about the pick. I'm just I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 1: ways right now. And maybe it's a situation where if
Speaker 1: he goes to the right situation, and maybe maybe we're
Speaker 1: misevaluating how much money he really wants. Okay, you said
Speaker 1: he wants to be the highest paid safety at Seattle.
Speaker 1: I think he wants to be the highest paid safety. No,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he is already. No, No, I think bear
Speaker 1: Eric Barriot, I mean no, that's he's hit Seattle. He
Speaker 1: wants to be the highest paid safety in the league. Yes,
Speaker 1: if you get him in a situation where he ends
Speaker 1: up in Oakland or Dallas or one of those places
Speaker 1: where he gets him out of there and it turns
Speaker 1: into a three year deal, it's all guaranteed. I use
Speaker 1: the model for what they did for the quarterback in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: You guarantee the contract and then you know, and once
Speaker 1: it's over, it's over. So three years, thirty million guaranteed.
Speaker 1: You're probably gonna have to go a little stronger than that.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, you're then you're getting to what he wants. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's already a he's already a ten to eleven
Speaker 1: million dollar player right now. If you guaranteed him two
Speaker 1: more million dollars a year, say six more million dollars
Speaker 1: for three years, and then turn around it, but he's
Speaker 1: at a place that he wants to be, maybe you
Speaker 1: get that deal done. But his cap charges ten and
Speaker 1: a half million. Yeah, I just you do have to
Speaker 1: pay great players. I think I understand, and I think
Speaker 1: it's Seattle. He wants to be paid at Seattle. But
Speaker 1: but if he goes to the right situation, and I
Speaker 1: could be totally wrong about this, making I could be
Speaker 1: totally wrong. But I think if you guaranteed the contract
Speaker 1: and you found a way too, and he gets to
Speaker 1: a place where he wants to be, I think you
Speaker 1: could get this deal done. See. I think if you
Speaker 1: give him a lot of money the first year, yeah,
Speaker 1: then he's probably looking at him going, Okay, I've got
Speaker 1: my money. And then there's two more years on my contract, right,
Speaker 1: and I've got my money but front, but I'm back
Speaker 1: in Texas, I'm near everything I love. You know, those
Speaker 1: are the kinds of that sometimes that makes a difference.
Speaker 1: Would Seattle be interested in one of the Cowboys wide receivers?
Speaker 1: See Seattle? To me, I don't know if it's so
Speaker 1: much the wide receivers who just got hurt. Doug Baldwin
Speaker 1: has been hurt. Yeah, Marshal is listed as a starter, right,
Speaker 1: offer them and yeah he saw he was basically done
Speaker 1: last year. I think that I think that John, I
Speaker 1: think that he could probably you offered you said, okay,
Speaker 1: look at our wide receivers and determine which one you
Speaker 1: would like. That's you when you usually make a trade
Speaker 1: and someone saying, hey, we've got a surplus at We've
Speaker 1: got a surplus at this position, okay, look at look
Speaker 1: at our position, Look at that position, because okay, let
Speaker 1: me say this, is there anybody on that list of
Speaker 1: wide receivers that you wouldn't trade for the Cowboys for
Speaker 1: you wouldn't trade to get a shot to draft UH,
Speaker 1: to get a not drafted to sign UH to sign.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not trading Cedric Wilson. I mean sorry,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallt Michael Gout, Yeah, yeah, is he the only one?
Speaker 1: Is he the only one? I think? For the for
Speaker 1: what you're how you're constructive this show. We want to
Speaker 1: part with Cole Beasley for what they do because Tyler
Speaker 1: Lockett Yeah, and you know, and and I think you
Speaker 1: need Hearns. Yeah, okay, so we got too. Everybody else
Speaker 1: is okay? So everybody else we say. And then the
Speaker 1: other thing You've got to consider, if if I had
Speaker 1: an excess player at a position that I could trade,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't feel as bad about trading for his contract
Speaker 1: on a one year deal if he doesn't want to renegotiate,
Speaker 1: because because the guy I'm trading I was probably gonna
Speaker 1: cut right. Would you trade them? Would you trade them
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis or Anthony Brown? Did we discuss this yesterday.
Speaker 1: He kind of made a face like, mm there it is.
Speaker 1: It's the face I think about it. Yeah, Okay, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna, would you you would trade one of those
Speaker 1: guys for a one year deal? Right? Would you trade him?
Speaker 1: Would you trade? All? Right? What you're you're taking on
Speaker 1: his contract, but you're giving up picker, you give it up.
Speaker 1: In addition, you probably have to if you did it
Speaker 1: with a player, you probably realistic. He can look at
Speaker 1: a third ye, I think I think a second round.
Speaker 1: It's a second. I think a second gets it done clear.
Speaker 1: I think a second gets it done clear with the contract? Right, well,
Speaker 1: we're taking on his I'm not trading for a one
Speaker 1: year contract with draft choices. Okay? Would you would do
Speaker 1: it for a player? Though? But I do it for
Speaker 1: a player? Okay? If you said, okay, we will give you,
Speaker 1: we'll take the contract, we'll give you Anthony Brown or
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis. What about Jamie Showers. Your guy's a little
Speaker 1: smarter than that. Huh. Yeah, he's not a dummy. He's
Speaker 1: he's not doing radio like me. He's a little smarter
Speaker 1: than that. And a lot of people think they look
Speaker 1: at what he's gonna look at your roster and he's
Speaker 1: gonna pick your best. But but a lot of people
Speaker 1: look at from the outside, look at Seattle and what
Speaker 1: they've done getting rid of players this year, and they
Speaker 1: think that, oh, they're rebuilding, they don't care about this year.
Speaker 1: But but I bet you in Seattle they care about that.
Speaker 1: Sure they do. Sure they care about They care about it,
Speaker 1: and to a point that they can win, especially in
Speaker 1: that division. If you're paying a quarterback one hundred million dollars,
Speaker 1: then you're trying to win football games. Yeah, you're not
Speaker 1: starting over. Yea. All right, here's a question in our
Speaker 1: last four minutes here, this is a very young Cowboys team.
Speaker 1: It is is it too young? Boy? From a playoff
Speaker 1: contender standpoint? They've got three guys thirty year over right,
Speaker 1: and when him as a snapper and the lake, I
Speaker 1: don't think necessarily it is because you have experience in
Speaker 1: key spots on both sides of the ball. You still
Speaker 1: got that veteran offensive line on the offense. That they
Speaker 1: were young leads, They were young at one time when
Speaker 1: in Pro Bowls and Pros. Yeah, they're right in their
Speaker 1: prime health, willing for Tyrn Smith and then on the
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. You still got Sean Lee
Speaker 1: health willing that coupled with you hope that these young
Speaker 1: dbs DeMarcus Lawrence as well. I think they've got enough
Speaker 1: veterans to put this thing together. And I always go
Speaker 1: back to the offensive line. If you've if Connor Williams
Speaker 1: stabilizes the left guard spot, they're gonna do what they
Speaker 1: normally do. They're gonna run the football. And if one
Speaker 1: of these were a couple of these receivers can show
Speaker 1: up there, they can win football games the way they
Speaker 1: always have. Let me let me throw some Super Bowl
Speaker 1: winning or contending teams from the past at you. The
Speaker 1: ninety two Cowboys. How many players did they have on
Speaker 1: their roster? Thirty or old? They were young, so we're young.
Speaker 1: That's why I went straight to them. About five, you
Speaker 1: have five? I would say four, four, six, ten and one.
Speaker 1: It was a long snapper, hell Astray was thirty, right
Speaker 1: Bates was thirty one, Ray Horton thirty two. I Colt
Speaker 1: was thirty, Jeff Cot thirty one. Newton Nate was thirty
Speaker 1: one and ninety two. Novachek was thirty. Saxon the punter
Speaker 1: was thirty two. And A was thirty two and Robert
Speaker 1: Williams was thirty. So how many of those guys though,
Speaker 1: were starters? Well, I mean Jeff Coote was a significant player.
Speaker 1: He was, he had already I coult was, he was,
Speaker 1: that was. Larry Brown came in that year and so
Speaker 1: he was. Kevin Smith ended up taking his job right
Speaker 1: eventually that season. But I mean, you had a mix
Speaker 1: of old and young, and by THEA wasn't the other
Speaker 1: reason that I looked at that Dak is twenty five, okay,
Speaker 1: what's Zeke twenty two? Twenty three? Now okay, all right,
Speaker 1: Well that year Troy was twenty six, Michael was twenty six,
Speaker 1: and Emmett was twenty three, So you're nucleus there. They
Speaker 1: were all this about the same age as what. So
Speaker 1: the key thing is is age doesn't matter as long
Speaker 1: as you're good. Dirty dozen and seventy five had ten
Speaker 1: players over the age of thirty. They didn't win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl that year, but that everyone talks about that
Speaker 1: Dirty dozen draft class. The seventy one Cowboys Super Bowl
Speaker 1: team had ten players thirty or over all. Right, modern
Speaker 1: day Eagles last year ten players thirty or over all? Right. Actually,
Speaker 1: this year they have ten thirty or over. Last year
Speaker 1: Super Bowl team at fourteen players thirty or over. Huh
Speaker 1: See though, if you're going to compare it to back
Speaker 1: from ninety two backwards, there was no salary cap, right,
Speaker 1: so you could keep those over keep those old guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you didn't have to pay them minimums. And I
Speaker 1: haven't looked at New England how many they got thirty
Speaker 1: or over, but they got a quarterback. They got a
Speaker 1: quarterback turning forty two today, probably pretty pretty extensive for
Speaker 1: forty one today. I think New England they seem like
Speaker 1: a team that's always adding veteran players. Did the Redskins
Speaker 1: in ninety one to have like thirty al thirty and over?
Speaker 1: Redskins have always been an old team and George Allen's
Speaker 1: teams in the seventies, yeah, all fifty one they didn't
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