1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 2: Bombshell. Tonight in the D four VED court room aka 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 2: David Anthony Burke, it is Graham. Gruesome court images reveal 4 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: the body of teen girls Celeste Revas as D four 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: v D. David Anthony Burks fights his best tooth and 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: claw to stop this trial. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. 7 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for 8 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: being with us. Fourteen year old Celeste found decomposing in 9 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: the trunk of D four VD. David Anthony Burks tesla. 10 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 3: Who in this office is and was leaking information about 11 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 3: this fourteen year old child and her remained. It's a 12 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: violation of a court order. 13 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: Some medical examiner's office was leaking information. 14 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 4: David was did not take his eyes away from these photos. 15 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 4: He he also kind of gave me the sense that 16 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 4: he was very relaxed and pourt almost like he was 17 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 4: kind of sitting in English class or something, you know, 18 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 4: just following along with the teacher. So you know, he 19 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 4: would sit back in his chair a little bit. He 20 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 4: would he would lean forward sometimes and and you know, 21 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 4: his his mannerisms with his attorney, they were interesting. She 22 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 4: would Blair Birk would rub his back. They would smile 23 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 4: at each other. But again throughout the showing of these 24 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 4: graphic photos, he didn't move, he didn't flinch. He just 25 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 4: stared at the screen. We saw a closed bag with 26 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 4: lots of liquid and blood and just insects sort of 27 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 4: around it. And then we would see the bag open 28 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 4: with her arms and legs bloody, and it was it 29 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 4: was bad. 30 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: That's investigative journalist Lauren Khanlin on X outside the courthouse 31 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: and we're taking you straight back into the courtroom and 32 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: very latest in the D four VD trial proceedings. But 33 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: after hearing her description of what is being seen in 34 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: the courtroom, I want to remind everyone what this is about. 35 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: It is about Celeste Revs. This little girl. This girl, 36 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 2: Celeste Revas, was killed, disarticulated and put in trash bags 37 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: like you leave it out on the street for the 38 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: garbage guys to pick up. Yeah, you think that's the 39 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: end of it, Well it's not. You cannot put out 40 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: a child in trash bags dead and think no one 41 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: is going to do a thing. Well, we are straight 42 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: out to the courthouse joining us now from LA. Let's 43 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 2: get a reporter with the LA magazine, Taylor Parice Taylor. 44 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: What is happening in the courtroom? What have we seen 45 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 2: so far? 46 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 5: We've seen a lot of new information in the courtroom. 47 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 5: We've seen a lot of morbid pictures inside the courtroom. 48 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 5: Even season journalists are looking away from the screen because 49 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 5: it's too difficult to look at, whereas David Anthony Burke 50 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 5: is seen staring straight at the screen, very casual. 51 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: No, not even flinching, not even flinching. Okay, just stop 52 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: right here. Did I hear Lauren Conlin state that as 53 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: these images all we can see outside the courtroom are 54 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: sketch artist images and you can't make heads or tails 55 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: of it, that's a bad sign. I'm going to go 56 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: to Joe Scott Morgan on that what that means. But 57 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 2: the female defense attorney is like stroking the four d's 58 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: back as these images are being shown in the courtroom. 59 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, Blairberg has defense attorney, has been very comforting to 60 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 5: David while he sits there in court. And as you said, 61 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 5: the images that are shown in court, I've been working 62 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 5: alongside Lauren Conlin. She described them as unrecognizable. Even Beth Silverman, 63 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 5: the prosecutor, she had to ask what she was looking 64 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 5: at when they were showing images of blessed remains? 65 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: Did you hear that to doctor Bethany Marshall joining us 66 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 2: out of this jurisdiction? Psychoanalyst, author of deal Breaker. She's 67 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: the star of a hitnee podcast, All the Couch with 68 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall. She's on Peacock, She's on Bravo. You 69 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor 70 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 2: Bethany massaging his back while the rest of the courtroom 71 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: is looking at distorted images of this child in a trash. 72 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 6: Bag, Nancy. It speaks to a collusion between Blair birk 73 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 6: and and that collusion is based upon one thing money. 74 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 6: It tells me that this particular attorney can be bought 75 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 6: for comfort, right, he's paying her a lot of money 76 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 6: just stroke his back. And on the other hand, he's 77 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 6: sitting there like he's in an English class, which also 78 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 6: tells me that there's lack of cause and effect thinking. 79 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 6: There's lack of a sense of impending punishment or doom. 80 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 6: And this is a trait I do not know DV 81 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 6: four D. I've never analyzed or seen him, but this 82 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 6: would be a trait of sociopathy where you feel you 83 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 6: are in charge of the situation, when in fact, the 84 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 6: situation is in charge of you. 85 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: We're showing video right now taken from dft y d 86 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 2: on Twitch of him and Celeste. Now in this video 87 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 2: she is a minor. Now you're hearing what was done 88 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: to this child and her body. Randolph Rice joining me, 89 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: veteran at criminal defense attorney, founder of Rice's Law, former 90 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: prosecutor as well at Rice's Law MD dot com. Randolph Rice, 91 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. That is not a 92 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,119 Speaker 2: leg to stand on. I didn't want to know. See 93 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,799 Speaker 2: no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil, and some 94 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 2: would argue the financial guide, the adult in this scenario 95 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: had about six million reasons to stay dumb. Listen now. 96 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 7: First up, his financial manager spoke about everything that David 97 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 7: had to lose, basically talking about how big his deals were, 98 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 7: how much he was going to get for each album, 99 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,559 Speaker 7: which was like a three million dollar guarantee but could 100 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 7: earn him anywhere upwards of six million dollars, and that 101 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 7: that was per album, which that was really important because 102 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 7: they were trying to lay the foundation of what he 103 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 7: had to lose if his real life relationship or alleged 104 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 7: relationship I should say with Celeste was exposed, which that's 105 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 7: of course what the state is arguing here as motive 106 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 7: right that she was going to expose their relationship. He 107 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 7: didn't want to lose his fame, his celebrity, his money. 108 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 7: So this now illustrates how much money really was on 109 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 7: the line and what he would have to lose if 110 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 7: that relationship was exposed. 111 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: That is YouTube Annie Elise, so Randolph Rice a pecuniary 112 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: or money interest. That's called to pretend you don't know. 113 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: And I don't mean about the relationship, I mean about 114 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: the death. How can you pretend you don't know? Everybody 115 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: that walked in the house said, oh, what is that smell? Nancy? 116 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 8: This is great for the defense right now. Remember this 117 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 8: is a preliminary hearing. The prosecution is supposed to be 118 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 8: putting on their best witnesses, and now we've got a 119 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 8: witness who's essentially lying. They've said two different things. They 120 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 8: can't believe he believed moving forward, and apparently they also 121 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 8: have a financial interest for testifying or saying whatever they're saying. 122 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 8: So this is going to be used against these two 123 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 8: witnesses or this witness at the trial. 124 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: We are also learning and I'm gonna circle back to 125 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: you on your novel unique theory that this is going 126 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: well for the defense, because should I believe you are 127 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: my lion eyes? What I am seeing is happening in 128 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: the courtroom. Blood on the back seat of D four 129 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: D's Tesla, and I think it was eleven air fresheners 130 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: thrown around. 131 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 7: We know that Celeste was found inside the front trunk. However, 132 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 7: when they also lit up the third row of seats 133 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 7: lit up like Christmas morning, meaning that it indicates at 134 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 7: one point she was inside that third row. They also 135 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 7: said that there were eleven air fresheners found inside the tesla, 136 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 7: obviously to conceal the odor of decomposing remains. 137 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 2: That is YouTube Anni Elise not to Taylor Perice joining 138 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: us at the courthouse, investigative reporter with LA magazine. Eleven 139 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: air fresheners, a jury will do a backflip. 140 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, eleven air freshers in the car, presumably to cover 141 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 5: up an odor. Most of them are not in the 142 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 5: center console. But one of the air fresheners actually morbidly said, 143 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 5: love is in the air. 144 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 2: Tell me about the blood found on the back the 145 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: third seat of the tesla. Taylor Perice how it lit 146 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: up as Anna Alicee just stated like a Christmas tree 147 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: or like the night skies. She gave to comparisons obviously 148 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: from the use of luminol or some type of alternative 149 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: light form. So explain to me what was heard in 150 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 2: the courtroom about that third seat of D four vd's tesla. 151 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 5: So there were a lot so in court they were 152 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 5: calling it British stains. Those stains, specifically the stains on 153 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 5: the map and in on a tesla or on the 154 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 5: charging cord were presumptive positive for blood. But British stands 155 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 5: found all over the tesla all throughout it, including the battery. 156 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: Steve Fisher joining us, a private investigator, the charging cord 157 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: and the mats those are not in the car, Those 158 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: are in the garage. Correct, Correct. 159 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 9: The garage had these rubber mats placedover because it was 160 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 9: primarily being used as like a game room slash gym, 161 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 9: so it had the rubber mats had like a mesh 162 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 9: texture to them, and the charging cord you know, with 163 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 9: the tesla. 164 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: Okay, I got it. So that's not in the car. 165 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: Dave mac joining me, Crime Stories investigative reporter Dave, what 166 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 2: was found in the car. I'm trying to determine the 167 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: blood evidence in the car. 168 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 3: Thing Nancy that could come out of this was what 169 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 3: is being referred to as the blood on the third 170 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 3: rows eating inside this Tesla Model X. This was something 171 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: that just blew up. It's been mentioned, you know that 172 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 3: it lit up like the night sky. The blood stains 173 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 3: that were found throughout the inside of that car, coupled 174 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 3: with Nancy you mentioned earlier the air fresheners. You know 175 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 3: these air fresheners. There were eleven of them, and they 176 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 3: were tucked into the back seat, into the little a 177 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 3: folder there, a pocket, so to speak, so they would 178 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 3: be out of sight, but they would still provide air 179 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 3: freshening capabilities. But again, blood throughout the inside. 180 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 2: Of the car. 181 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 3: Specifically, though, as you asked, it's that third row seating 182 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 3: that lit up. 183 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 2: Stave Fisher, if you could describe the inside of the 184 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 2: Tesla to the best of your ability. 185 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 10: So it's got a second row of two like captains 186 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 10: type seats, and then it's got a third row kind 187 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 10: of like bench seat. And I believe that that's where 188 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 10: they're saying that they found the street sevenis through luminol 189 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 10: of left that have been cleaned up. 190 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 191 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: You know, Joe Scott Morgan, I hardly know where to 192 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 2: start right now. You know, I've got two children, John 193 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: David and Lucy. They're eighteen, they're about to go to college. 194 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: None of that will ever happen for Celeiste, never ever. 195 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: And did you know, Joe Scott, did you know her 196 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: parents had been in the courtroom and they've taken a 197 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 2: lot of heat, including from me. Why didn't you report missing? 198 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 2: Why didn't you look for her harder? Why was she 199 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: getting ordered up like Chinese food or repeazza and sent 200 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: over to his house in an uber? I've given them 201 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: a hard time, but the reality is this, Their girl 202 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 2: is dead. 203 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 6: Yep. 204 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 2: She will never go to her senior prime, never do 205 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: all those endless college applications. She'll never get to go 206 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 2: out on her own. They can't watch her grow and 207 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: turn in to the incredible person she's meant to be. Instead, 208 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 2: Joe Scott, they are in this courtroom looking at the 209 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: images that Taylor Perese has described, images that are so 210 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 2: bizarre you can't even tell what they are, Joe Scott. 211 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 2: Before Joe Scott starts talking, this is Joseph Scott Morgan. 212 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: He is a death investigator, a renowned death investigator with 213 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: over ten thousand death scenes under his belt. He is 214 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: a star of a hit podcast, Body Bags with Joe 215 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 2: Scott Morgan. He's the author of Blood Beneath My Feet, 216 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: and he is a professor of forensics at Jacksonville State 217 00:13:55,000 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: University with a new world class criminal procedure facility. I 218 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 2: have personally toured. He is who I trusted to help 219 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 2: me recreate several murder scenes. That's who this is. Okay, 220 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: Joe Scott, what's happening? 221 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: Well, I got to tell. 222 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 11: You, reflecting back to what our friend Lauren said earlier 223 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 11: where she said that it appeared as though that he 224 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 11: was sitting in English class, let me tell you what 225 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 11: class he missed. He missed biology. Because the moment that 226 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 11: this young girl, and I'm saying girl, her life was taken, 227 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 11: decomposition started immediately. There's not enough air fresheners in the 228 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 11: world to stem what was going on and also what 229 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 11: people in this courtroom, including her parents, have been subjected to. Nancy. 230 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 11: I've been hearing reports from friends of mine that have 231 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 11: been there as well, and they're saying they're using terms 232 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 11: like unrecognizable, that you can't make it out. So the family, 233 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 11: the court is taking a look at this and they're 234 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 11: trying to make heads or tails of it. Now. One 235 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 11: of the big questions that has come up relative to 236 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 11: the degree to which she was traumatized fatally. Remember we've 237 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 11: talked about that stab wound or the sharp force injury 238 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 11: that's in the right upper quadrant of the abdomen. People 239 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 11: are saying, how. 240 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: In the world, how in the world. 241 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 11: Was a medical examiner able to figure this out? Because 242 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 11: she and that's indicative of the fact that she is 243 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 11: in such an advanced state of decomposition, and that started immediately, 244 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 11: and then it was further exacerbated when she was placed 245 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 11: into this tesla, which, as we know in science, heat 246 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 11: speeds things up. Okay, so she's been going down her 247 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 11: mortal remains have been going down this road for some time. 248 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 11: It is not it is not surprising that her body 249 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 11: was in this state of decomposition, in that front in 250 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 11: multiple bags, because she has been so in death, has 251 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 11: been so further mistreated over and over and over again. 252 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 12: Today was an absolutely crushing day in the preliminary hearing. 253 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 12: The evidence that was put on by the prosecutor was 254 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 12: absolutely damned showing the images of Celestia's decomposed body in 255 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 12: the trunk of the tesla and the parents were sitting 256 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 12: there and it was just absolute and horrible, but they 257 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:45,479 Speaker 12: wanted to show his strength and they're here for Celeste. 258 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 4: He was asked if he could identify any facial features 259 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 4: and he said no, it was so badly decomposed because 260 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 4: of skin slippage, is what he called it. We also 261 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 4: saw a close up of her hands. 262 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: We saw the. 263 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 4: Fingers that were amputated, you know, we saw the finger 264 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 4: as well from the other hand, and yeah, it was 265 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 4: it was tough, but again he had his his eyes 266 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 4: just glued to the screen. 267 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 13: What we saw in that courtroom was nothing short of despicable, 268 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 13: pure evil. We saw images of what was in that 269 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 13: bag in the front trunk of that tesla. We saw 270 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 13: everything and it was horrendous. It was absolutely horrendous. The 271 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 13: stuff that we saw, I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. 272 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 13: And the fact that Celeste's parents were in the courtroom 273 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 13: for that was just even more shocking and breaks your 274 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 13: heart that they have to go through this. 275 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 2: That is on YouTube, that's trapped more Ross. Apparently everything 276 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 2: happening in the courtroom was sickening. So you know, to you, 277 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan death investigator, the images are so upsetting. 278 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 2: But let's talk about the probit of value. You and 279 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: I have both been in a lot of courtrooms. When 280 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 2: you're standing in front of a jury and you can't 281 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 2: start crying and you can't look like you're sick to 282 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: your stomach. You have got to keep going and keep 283 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 2: it together. Like, right now, what are they seeing? You 284 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 2: heard Taylor Perice from the LA magazine trying to describe it, 285 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 2: but forensically, probitively, what is the court seeing? What isn't? 286 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 11: Okay, that breaks out two ways. Let me kind of 287 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 11: shed a little light here. So what they're seeing is 288 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 11: the overall images of her remains in this vehicle. And 289 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 11: one of the things you have to begin to factor 290 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 11: in here talking about probit of value. And this is 291 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 11: going to be essential here, Nancy, since we have this 292 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 11: body rendered into multiple elements, Okay, we'll put it that way. 293 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 11: One of the questions scientifically we have to ask is 294 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 11: how did that happen? The key here is not just 295 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 11: seeing the overall picture, but then as her remains are 296 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 11: examined at the Emmy's office. They're going to be looking 297 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 11: at these locations where some type of tool was used 298 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 11: in order to render her down with these individual components. Okay, 299 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 11: So what that means is if there is any type 300 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 11: of sharp instrument, saw, whatever it is, if they can 301 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 11: get that implement and match it up to the tool 302 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 11: marks that are going to be on the end of 303 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 11: the bones. And I'm telling you, I know this is 304 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 11: very hard to hear, all right, that will explain how 305 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 11: she wound up that way. Now, putting that tool in 306 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 11: someone's hands is something completely different. But they have to 307 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 11: appreciate all of these different components, how she was found, 308 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 11: and most of all Nancy, the court has to appreciate 309 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 11: how she was treated, how her remains treated in death. 310 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 2: Pretty much. Please, we know that D four VD, David 311 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 2: Anthony Burke, probably under an assumed name, order not one 312 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 2: but two chain saws. Okay, think about it. If I 313 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 2: can get my hands on those chainsaws and look at 314 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 2: the serration edge of it, can I compare that exact 315 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 2: serration to her body? Can't I mark up the tool 316 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: markings to prove those chain saws were used in this disarticulation. 317 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 11: Yeah, within a reasonable scientific certainty, you can. And that's 318 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 11: why it's so bloody important to get their hands on 319 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 11: this other saw and to try to do it, because 320 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 11: beyond that, they can they can take a look at 321 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 11: the saws that he was alleged to a purchase, Nancy, 322 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 11: and they can do kind of a qualification where they'll say, yeah, 323 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 11: it could be consistent with this particular brand, but how 324 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 11: how much more powerful is this, Nancy from a physical 325 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 11: evidence standpoint, which I know that you're well aware of. 326 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 11: If you can take the actual tool itself and marry 327 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 11: this up. That's a big part of this investigation. What's 328 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 11: the status of any instrument, not just chainsaws, but what 329 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 11: any instrument that may have been used in order to 330 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 11: facilitate what happened here. 331 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 12: This is the first time that they've heard this evidence 332 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 12: in detail, and they're horrified. There was an image of 333 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 12: Celestis Torso and her head in the trunk of the car, 334 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 12: and the prosecutor had to ask what it was because 335 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 12: you could not tell it was a head. 336 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: It was absolutely. 337 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 12: It was deplorable, and so they're at they're at a 338 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 12: loss of words. Mercedes just put her head down and 339 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 12: started crying and she couldn't look up. And she was 340 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 12: warned by the just attorney, Beth Silverman told her in advance, 341 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 12: these images are coming. 342 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 14: As soon as and I told her that she didn't 343 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 14: have to be in the courtroom for this part of 344 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 14: the hearing, but she said, I want to be here 345 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 14: to show support for Celeste, and she just put her 346 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 14: head down and just started calling. 347 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,479 Speaker 2: That is Patrick Seinfeld, the Celeste Riva's family attorney, and 348 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: questioning him was our friend Lauren Collin on X from 349 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 2: La Magazine. Dave mac question the detective was on the 350 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 2: stand because the prosecutor can't just start showing video and 351 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 2: showing images and narrate them herself. You have to have 352 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 2: a witness on the stand that is very well versed fluent. 353 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 2: I guarantee you they practiced this presentation many times before 354 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 2: the detective took the stand. But the detective was asked, 355 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 2: Dave Matt was he not about why the body bag 356 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 2: she was actually stored part of her anyway in a 357 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 2: full on body bag that is used by Medical Examiner's 358 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: office and apparently was ordered on Amazon. Idiot, But why 359 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 2: wasn't the body bag kept as evidence? 360 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: You know? 361 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 3: Nancy, that body bag that you're talking about actually contained 362 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 3: just the torso and head. And when this is the 363 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 3: shocking part of all of it is when that front 364 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 3: was opened, the zipper was partially down and those cops 365 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 3: saw this right away. But what detective Buyers was talking 366 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 3: about on the stand about the remains found inside the 367 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 3: bag and having to get rid of certain things because 368 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 3: of the body fluids and the decomposition that had taken 369 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 3: place in side that body bag, It's a shocking thing 370 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 3: what they were describing on the stand, the body bag 371 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 3: as well as the additional trash bags that were used 372 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 3: for other body parts. It's just from the day one 373 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 3: has been shocking. But on the stand, sharing these types 374 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 3: of very specific things about what was taking place with 375 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 3: this child's body after she was gone is just despicable. 376 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 2: Tellor Perice, what about the zipper and the handles on 377 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 2: those bags? 378 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 5: So while the bag itself was disposed of, the investigator 379 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 5: did say that they preserved the zipper and the handles, 380 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 5: So I'm not sure if they're want to be doing 381 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 5: more testing on those items than Hopefully. 382 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 2: We'll know soon. 383 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace. 384 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: On the stand, Buyers was asked why the body bag 385 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: was not kept, and he talked about the risk, the 386 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 2: hazard of all the bodily fluids and dcomp Well, you 387 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 2: know what, that's why you have a hazmat suit. That's 388 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 2: why you have the hat, the face masks, the gloves, 389 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 2: the da da da Why and the h E double L. 390 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 2: Didn't you keep the body bag? I hope I'm wrong. 391 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 2: I hope I find out that that's right, because the 392 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 2: joy's gonna want to see that body bag. You know, 393 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 2: sometimes pictures are not worth a million words. You want 394 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: the real thing. So you know, apparently there was more 395 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: than one body bag, so maybe they kept the other one, 396 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 2: but please put it in a bag and store it 397 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 2: for Pete's sake. I mean, they deal with dead bodies. 398 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 2: They deal with bodily fluids day in, day out, Joe 399 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 2: Scott Morgan. They deal with bodily fluids and dead bodies 400 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 2: every day. Why throw out important. 401 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 11: I don't know. It's we actually have devices at crime 402 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 11: labs and in Morgus called evidence dryers, and it knocks 403 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,959 Speaker 11: down all of humidity. I cannot. I'm not buying this 404 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 11: thing about biohazards and all this nonsense. There's all kinds 405 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 11: of things that we retain because of their evidentiary value. 406 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 11: And let me if you like that one, let me 407 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 11: give you one more. You know the thing about the 408 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 11: body bag itself and Nancy, this is the first case 409 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 11: I've ever covered in my career involving the evidentiary value 410 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 11: of a body bag. This is something that was sought out, 411 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 11: purchased for an express purpose. Did you know this thing 412 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 11: has handles on it. Every body bag has a handle 413 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 11: on it, And so what do you get from that? 414 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 11: You get touched DNA. So I hope that they if 415 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 11: they did toss these, I hope they went to great 416 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 11: links in order to swab the exterior of this thing, 417 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 11: swab those handles, to see who put their hands on 418 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 11: this bag and any of the underlying surfaces, you know, 419 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 11: as it's being lifted and taken and transferred into locations. 420 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 11: This could be a problem. I'm I'm shocked that they're 421 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 11: saying they discarded these items. I've been around a lot 422 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 11: of bad smelling the items. 423 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 2: Scott, look at the screen. Look at the screen. Did 424 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 2: you see that party scene which I think is within 425 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: the D four VD David Anthony Burt Home. Can you 426 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 2: imagine your child, and she met defour VD when she 427 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 2: was still wearing Hello Kitty t shirts and paraphernalia, and 428 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 2: she's in that drunken party scene. Can you imagine your 429 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 2: child up in that. I mean, look, doctor Bethany Marshall, 430 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 2: look at your screen, Look at all that hard liquor. 431 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 6: Nancy. The disrespect for Celeste's life is so far reaching. 432 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 6: When I hear about the body bags being discarded, I 433 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 6: I found myself wondering, is law enforcement minimizing her death, 434 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 6: just as the financial guy minimized her death, just as 435 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 6: her parents, and I know they're going through severe trauma 436 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 6: and stress right now, didn't really hunt her down to 437 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 6: find out where she was. Young women get discarded every day. 438 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 6: And you know what else, Nancy, There's a ripple effect 439 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 6: to every victim's life loss of life, meaning that many 440 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 6: female victims go on to become victim advocations. They become 441 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 6: they start to educate first responders, they write books, they 442 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 6: become international human rights attorneys. They lead the world in 443 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 6: terms of advocacy later in their life. Women are remarkable. 444 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 6: So not only was celeste life cut short in terms 445 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 6: of her family life, potential, education, the beauty of childhood 446 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 6: but our world is at a loss now because we've 447 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 6: lost another potential advocate who could be training for And. 448 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 2: Can I can I just ask you about the evidence. 449 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 2: What about the air fresheners, at least eleven of them. 450 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 2: You heard Taylor Perice, Dave mac just got Morgan describing 451 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 2: all the blood on that third seat, the body of 452 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 2: this child in multiple bags, and they just there's some 453 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 2: air fresheners back there. 454 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 6: And Nancy, not only that, all the blood in the 455 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 6: garage was on the mats, the brick floor, a rowing machine, tarps, 456 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 6: the Tesla charger, cable, trash bags containing bloodstained wipes and fabrics. 457 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 6: So her blood was intermingled with a pile of garbage 458 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 6: in the garage. Okay, he did not begin to order 459 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 6: chainsaws until weeks after he killed her, according to testimony. 460 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 6: So she was languishing, rotting in that garage while kids 461 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 6: trapesed in and out. Then she was thrown in the 462 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 6: front perhaps dismembered already, or in the backseat of the car. 463 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 6: So how many times were these body parts transferred from 464 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 6: place to place? How long did he contemplate? How long 465 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 6: he was going? How long did he contemplate how he 466 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 6: was going to get rid of her. What methods he 467 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 6: would use? There are a lot of there's a lot 468 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 6: of purchasing involved. There are a lot of people involved. 469 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 6: Apparently his mother handled his finances. What did she think 470 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 6: about all those Amazon purchases, Nancy. A rationalization is a 471 00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 6: precursor to every great crime. According to Stemoni, the financial 472 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 6: guy rationalized that it was okay for DV fourty to 473 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 6: date Celeste. Those partygoers that you just showed with all 474 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 6: that alcohol in the room with a minor, rationalized that 475 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 6: it was okay for her to be there. And I 476 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 6: would be so curious, what were the stories all these 477 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 6: people told themselves. What were the rationalized What were the rationalizations? Oh, 478 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 6: you know what, her parents are not in contact with her, 479 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 6: so it's okay that she's in that house. 480 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the untold story as well. 481 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 6: Perhaps we'll get to at some point. 482 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 2: I'm telling you, though, Bethany, what is the the que 483 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: de gras is the just throwing air fresheners around the 484 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 2: car to mask the stench of this child's decomposing body. 485 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 2: And I want to point out that Morgan Roth Randolph 486 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 2: Rice veteran trial lawyer. He has not been charged he's 487 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 2: not suspected of any wrongdoing. In fact, under our jurisprudence, 488 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,959 Speaker 2: failure to act is not a crime. I can see 489 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: a murder go down and just turn the other cheek, 490 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 2: wash my hands a bit like ponscious pilot, and under 491 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 2: our law, he cannot and will not be charged for 492 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 2: guilty knowledge. Isn't that true, Randolph Rice? 493 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 8: You're exactly right, Nancy, it's in most cases. There's obviously 494 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 8: those very extreme situations where if you had some sort 495 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 8: of knowledge beforehand, and maybe you further that crime by 496 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 8: doing some little thing, you could be charged. But if 497 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 8: it's just a I knew about it and I didn't 498 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 8: say anything, he's not facing any criminal charges. 499 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 2: Just like the use of air fresheners to hide the 500 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 2: stench of a decomposing body, do we have additional premeditation 501 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 2: showing wrongdoing? Till A Perice joining US investigative report, she's 502 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 2: at the courthouse US with the LA magazine. Taylor, what 503 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 2: can you tell me about probative evidence that David Anthony 504 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 2: Burke intentionally took this child out of the country for 505 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 2: what I'd like to know? 506 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, So Benjamin Gregor testified a lot about David not 507 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 5: knowing what his finances were. His mother handled that he 508 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 5: didn't know how much he was making, but it did 509 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 5: come out in court that the London ticket was purchased 510 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,239 Speaker 5: with David's personal bank account that he did have access to. 511 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 5: He also had a personal credit card, so he did 512 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 5: have access to his own money. 513 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 2: And I'm very curious about what exactly went on in 514 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 2: London because we also know that he DFOURVD took her 515 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 2: across state lines to Texas and more I think Vegas 516 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 2: as well. We know that according to prosecutors, there's a 517 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 2: lot of talk about the morning after peal about abortions. 518 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 2: Was she taken out of the country right of the 519 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 2: jurisdiction for that procedure, I don't know, but I guarantee 520 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 2: you we'll find out. We know her passport was discarded 521 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 2: out in the middle of nowhere. Speaking of d four 522 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 2: vd's mother, as Celeste's parents sit there and try to 523 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 2: make heads and tails of these videos of their child's body, 524 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 2: take a listen to what Deforbid's mother's up to. 525 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 12: What was disconcerting to me is that David Anthony Burke's 526 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 12: mom is still pursuing an attorney for David's musical career. 527 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 12: So apparently the threat of a lifetime in jail or 528 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 12: potential death penalty. 529 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 1: Is not stopping him. 530 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 12: He's pursuing his musical career like nothing happened. 531 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 2: What in the world that is Celes three of us 532 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 2: family lawyer Patrick Seinfeld with Lauren Colin there at the courthouse. 533 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 2: What Taylor Perice, the mother at this juncture, reportedly is 534 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 2: hot on the tail of more music production by D 535 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 2: four VD. 536 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, we learned that she is still seeking to find 537 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 5: new entertainment representation for David. We don't know if that's 538 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 5: happened yet. 539 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 2: Corroborating what we are just learning from Taylor Perice. Dave Mack, 540 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 2: what can you tell me about music being released to 541 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 2: coincide with the beginning of this hearing? 542 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 3: It was a shocking drop that happened all of a sudden, 543 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 3: and Nancy. It happened as D FOURBD is in jail, 544 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 3: awaiting trial, getting ready for the hearing this week, and 545 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, out of nowhere, it just pops up. 546 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 3: It's it's actually an unreleased track mar marceessence. It's how 547 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 3: it's pronounced. But it was released briefly and then pulled 548 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 3: back down. But you know, there's nothing that goes away 549 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 3: on the internet. Once it's out, everybody has access to it, 550 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 3: and they it's kind of a hidden thing. We don't 551 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 3: know who put it out or you know, when they 552 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 3: actually got access to this song, Nancy. But fans believe 553 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 3: that is an unreleased song called I Think She Knows. 554 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 3: But it popped up and went away fairly quickly as 555 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 3: the hearing was beginning, just. 556 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 2: Gott Morgan, I want you to look at an image 557 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 2: I found on TikTok MENI speculate that the scar you 558 00:36:54,280 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 2: were seeing, the red scar, was obtained during Celess murder 559 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 2: and disarticulation, and apparently he may have drawn over it 560 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 2: to make it look like across What explain how that 561 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 2: could have happened during her death, Nancy. 562 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 11: One of the things that we hear about with the 563 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 11: Celeste case is the fact that there are sharp instruments 564 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 11: being used. Okay, and so we've we've covered this. You 565 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 11: and I have covered cases in the past where we've 566 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 11: had individuals that have been using sharp instruments that are 567 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 11: perpetrators that have injured themselves. And this is this is 568 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 11: quite plausible that that could be what you're seeing here. 569 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 11: You know because when you're dealing and you do. If 570 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 11: you're talking about a rendering down of remains with a 571 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 11: tremendous amount of blood, blood's very slick. And if you're 572 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 11: using a sharp instrument, it creates that surface on their 573 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 11: impede your ability to firmly grip an instrument. And so 574 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 11: you see you see individal that will cut themselves. Now, 575 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 11: I can't look at that image and definitively say that 576 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 11: it is a cut or some type of sharp instrument, 577 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 11: but it's something that certainly could be entertained well. 578 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 2: Would have to look at the date that this was 579 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 2: posted to try to figure out if in fact they 580 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 2: are connected. Okay, Randolph Rice Way in Nancy. 581 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 8: This case right now is not going well for the prosecution. 582 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 8: And here's why. It is circumstantial at best, and they 583 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 8: have been unable to connect this case these facts and 584 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 8: evidence to their who they think did this. And here's why. 585 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 8: For example, the Amazon account, I have an Amazon account, 586 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,800 Speaker 8: my wife has access, my kids have access. I couldn't 587 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 8: tell you who bought the dishwashing soap last week because 588 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,959 Speaker 8: it doesn't tell me who's the person clicking the button. 589 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 8: And that's the problem. The prosecution is going to have 590 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 8: Did mister Burke click the button that bought all these 591 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 8: I want. 592 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 2: To actually see his face as he is spewing this. Okay, 593 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 2: you think it's going back for the state right now? Ever, 594 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 2: the optimist, aren't you. 595 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 8: I think, Nancy, that they're having a hard time right now. 596 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 8: This is the best evidence they've got. It's not working 597 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 8: for them. 598 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 2: Oh okay, Doctor Bethony Marshall, How crazy is he? 599 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 6: It tells me how much hatred and contempt he had 600 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 6: for celest while she was alive, which is a classic 601 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:28,320 Speaker 6: sign of domestic abuse. So not only was she allegedly 602 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,879 Speaker 6: killed by him, but I wonder how he treated her 603 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 6: while she was alive. Did he toss her out and 604 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 6: pull her back in? Did he degrade her, demean her 605 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 6: all the classic signs of abuse. I would say yes. 606 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 6: So she was tortured in life as well as in death. 607 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 2: To Taylor, Peise, Taylor, what next? This is just a 608 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 2: preliminary hearing. This is just a tiny sliver of the 609 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 2: evidence the state has. Have you heard romblings about a 610 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 2: POTENTI to a play deal. 611 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 5: I have not heard rumblings of a plea deal. Both 612 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 5: the prosecution of the defense are feeling very confident right now. 613 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 5: It seems like, and we'll find out shortly. Is it 614 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 5: going to go to trial? 615 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 2: It just got Morgan. I'm not sure how Randolph Rice 616 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 2: is spinning this out to suggest it's going well for 617 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 2: the defense. I see it. That's completely past Awkwards. 618 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 6: Yeah it is. 619 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 11: You've got a tremendous amount of physical evidence here, you 620 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 11: know that, and not just the physical evidence itself that 621 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 11: they have, you know, I'm thinking about the blood right 622 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 11: now in the car where they use what's referred to 623 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 11: as a castle Meyer test, uh to identify those blood droplets. 624 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,200 Speaker 11: I think there were eleven of them, and then of 625 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 11: course they applied blue Star in there as well, you know, 626 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 11: and that that car is tied back to him, and 627 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 11: then all all of the digital stuff relative to purchases, travel, 628 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,799 Speaker 11: all of the stuff. It's it's mounting up. I mean, 629 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,399 Speaker 11: it's you're talking about an evidentary avalanche, if you will, 630 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 11: that you know, he's staring down the barrel of right now. 631 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 2: It's all. 632 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 11: It all depends on how the prosecution puts this case together, 633 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,839 Speaker 11: how it's woven together to tell the narrative that they 634 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 11: want to tell. I'm particularly intrigued to hear what the 635 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 11: medical examiner has to say. Today is just. 636 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 2: The beginning the hearing set to go on for days. 637 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,720 Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about Celeste's death, 638 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 2: please dial two one three four eight six six' eight 639 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 2: nine zero two one three four eight six six' eight. 640 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 2: Nine zero We remember american HERO See I Officer Shannon Browning, Orange, 641 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 2: county florida passed away in the line, of duty leaving behind, 642 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 2: Two children Adrian. And andrea american HERO Co o Shannon 643 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 2: brown thank you to our guests for being with, us 644 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 2: tonight but especially. To You nancy gray is signing off for, 645 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 2: to Night but i'll see you, tomorrow night and, until 646 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 2: then good 647 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:11,759 Speaker 6: H