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Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome back to the Carol Martha Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: My guest today is Keisha King.

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Speaker 1: Keisha is host of The Keisha King Show and the

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Speaker 1: founder of the Mass Exodus movement.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Kisha, is so nice to have you on.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Carol, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: So you and I were very much in the school

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Speaker 1: trenches together over the last few years. I have been

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Speaker 1: such a fan of yours and we've met on a

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Speaker 1: number of occasions. I think you're just terrific. How did

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Speaker 1: you get into this world?

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Speaker 2: What made you go be an activist?

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Speaker 3: Well, first some we say thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 3: I love everything that you've done as well the book

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Speaker 3: everything that you're quoted of.

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Speaker 2: My book I interviewed you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right, that's right, And I was one of

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Speaker 3: the first purchasers. I must say, as.

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Speaker 2: Gone, thank you, very appreciated.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah. So I got into this world a little

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Speaker 3: bit differently than most people. I think it was a

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Speaker 3: kind of a spiritual experience. I was having a conversation

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Speaker 3: about BLM with a close family member and I said

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Speaker 3: I was going to go look up the statistics on

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Speaker 3: the unarmed black men and police interactions and looked it

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Speaker 3: up and I was completely blown away. It was like

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Speaker 3: less than ten and I didn't really know what to

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Speaker 3: make of it, because you know, there were all these riots.

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Speaker 3: Why are all these riots happening when clearly there's more

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Speaker 3: of an issue with black on black crime, and so

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Speaker 3: just pondering the stuff, I started doing more research, found

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Speaker 3: doctor Thomas Soule, Walter William's Milton Friedman, and my mind

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Speaker 3: was just completely blown away. I was sitting on my couch.

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Speaker 3: Fast forward a few months later, and the Lord spoke

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Speaker 3: to my heart and told me that my skin color

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Speaker 3: had become an idol in my life, and it just

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Speaker 3: it changed my life. I felt like ten thousand pounds

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Speaker 3: had been lifted off of me. I really truly felt free.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how many people know the the oppression

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Speaker 3: narrative that you're born into. You know, it's a black

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Speaker 3: American I mean, you hear everywhere. And with God telling

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Speaker 3: me this, it was just, you know, it was life

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Speaker 3: changing because he was pointing me back to this is

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Speaker 3: who I said you are, and it just gave me

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Speaker 3: confidence and reassured me and just pointed me back in

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Speaker 3: the right direction. And then I felt sort of this,

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Speaker 3: you know, usher ushering into politics, and I'm like, no,

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Speaker 3: thank you, Like I got the revelation like all that

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Speaker 3: other stuff. I'm cool, I don't really want to go

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Speaker 3: into that world, right, but I couldn't.

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Speaker 2: You're like this, I'll just stop here, thank you.

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Speaker 3: That was enough, exactly, And so I just started getting

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Speaker 3: involved locally. And then I worked for the RNC during

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty Trump campaign and that's when all the

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Speaker 3: school stuff happened. So I'm you know, reading just my

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Speaker 3: life has like just completely, you know, blown apart at

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Speaker 3: this point, because.

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Speaker 1: Right I was gonna say, did this make make you

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Speaker 1: very popular in your world?

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Speaker 3: Your not so much? Not so much. So you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, that's why I didn't really want to go

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Speaker 3: into all of that, but you know, I just couldn't

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Speaker 3: help it. Anyway. I had read all of this, you know,

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Speaker 3: all these books and and come across critical race theory,

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Speaker 3: and I didn't even know at the time it was

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Speaker 3: people talking about it, like this is happening here and

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Speaker 3: there maybe. But my oldest daughter was asked what pronoun

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Speaker 3: she wanted to go by, and the first day of

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Speaker 3: her eighth grade year and Carol, we go way back.

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Speaker 3: I yeah, no. And then same teacher a few months

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Speaker 3: later comes back and asks the kids, or is rather

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Speaker 3: telling the kids that they're oppressed based on their skin phone. So,

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Speaker 3: you know, I was not having it. And it was

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Speaker 3: just I was going to school board meetings. I honestly

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Speaker 3: thinking I could just go down there because clearly they

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Speaker 3: to change all this nonsense. They didn't don't like.

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Speaker 2: That, no, all right, So what did they What did

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Speaker 2: they say? What did they tell you?

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Speaker 3: They didn't want they didn't want to hear us. They

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Speaker 2: But the fact that there wasn't us was there more

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Speaker 3: Yes, So Moms for Liberty was like sort of bubbling

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Speaker 3: feeling like, Okay, this is not crazy. I'm not crazy

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Speaker 3: for you know, hearing these things and being upset by it. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: I ended up getting involved with Monster Liberty, became their

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Speaker 3: critical race theory and how it was a detriment to

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Speaker 3: not just Black Americans but all Americans because we're not

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Speaker 3: trying to be judged by our skin color. Like we

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Speaker 3: did that already, Thank you very much. We're done with that, dude.

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Speaker 1: So any regrets about getting into all this, like you

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Speaker 1: could have had just the easy, peaceful life and not

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Speaker 2: Do you wish it had gone differently?

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Speaker 3: I don't. You know, that's a great question. I don't

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Speaker 3: regret any of it. I mean, I've had the death

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Speaker 3: to attack me, men at that, you know men. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's been I've had some pretty crazy instances or incidents

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Speaker 3: rather and no, I don't regret it at all. I

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Speaker 3: would do it all over again. And matter of fact,

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Speaker 3: I'm double down on everything that I've ever seen because

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Speaker 3: you know, just everything that's going on in our country,

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Speaker 3: it's too much. If we don't speak up about it,

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Speaker 3: we're going to have more. So, you know, no biggie

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Speaker 3: to get involved.

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Speaker 1: So what's next on the horizon for you? What battles

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Speaker 1: are you fighting now?

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Speaker 3: Well, so right now I feel like we are. We've

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Speaker 3: been so so much, so many lies have been thrown

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Speaker 3: at Americans. You know, we're so blinded with deception. So

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Speaker 3: my goal is just to try to help people see

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Speaker 3: the truth, like what is really happening? And let's try to,

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Speaker 3: you know, dig a little bit deeper and see what

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Speaker 3: the root of some of these things that we see

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Speaker 3: in the news. What's the root of this? And a

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Speaker 3: help enlighten people who see what's going on and try

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Speaker 3: Because I think it's a bigger conspiracy honestly than we realize.

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Speaker 2: What does the mass epsodist movement do?

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Speaker 3: So what we do is we've provided resources for parents

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Speaker 3: public schooling system or into charter schools. We have resources

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Speaker 3: on there to show parents what to do, like the

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Speaker 3: steps that they need to take to get their kids

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Speaker 3: out of the public the government in doctrination camps as

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Speaker 3: I like to call them, if there are any other

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Speaker 3: available options in your state, showing you how to navigate that.

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Speaker 3: There's different websites that we have there. Basically it's a

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Speaker 3: It's hard to you know, pinpoint everything, but it kind

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Speaker 3: of gets you going in the right direction. If you

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Speaker 1: Is that Are you seeing a lot of people wanting

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Speaker 1: to do that right now?

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Speaker 3: We have seen millions of parents pull their children out

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Speaker 3: and you can kind of see where they are. You're like,

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Speaker 3: they are exercising their rights on those options.

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Speaker 1: Are you optimistic about the next few years, Let's say,

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Speaker 1: I am.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just an opti mystic person.

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Speaker 1: Same so yeah, but I have to say the last

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Speaker 1: first time in my life. I really thought, if this

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Speaker 1: And so to see kind of the backlash to it

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Speaker 1: now it's nice, but I'm worried.

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Speaker 2: I'm still worried overall. But in general I'm an optimistic person.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And I think it's wise to you know,

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Speaker 3: what is like what the left is up to, because

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say it's not a time to kind of,

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Speaker 3: because we can see with Another thing that worries me

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Speaker 3: a sign that a nation not doing good at all,

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Speaker 3: and like all of us, that too was new to me,

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Speaker 3: and they were to me like historically, when you have

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Speaker 3: just yeah, yes, like that is not a good sign.

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Speaker 3: And so historically it hasn't been a good sign, right

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Speaker 3: And apparently it's not a good sign. But I've been

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Speaker 2: Warn people that it's really not about the Jews.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not good for Jews right now, but

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Speaker 1: it's not about the Jews. It's about a real deep

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Speaker 1: sickness and society. Like the anti Semitism on the right

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Speaker 1: isn't even about I would say, not.

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Speaker 2: Really about Jews.

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Speaker 1: It's about conspiracy theories and about just falling for the

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Speaker 1: most ridiculous conspiracy.

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Speaker 2: Theories out there.

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Speaker 1: So I get that people are distrustful of, you know,

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Speaker 1: the narrative or what they've been told, but a lot

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Speaker 1: of the things that are being spread on the right

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Speaker 1: are taking that way too far, and that worries me.

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Speaker 3: Also, Yeah, I mean it should worry all Americans. You know,

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Speaker 3: this idea that we can't Yes, we have been lied to,

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Speaker 3: but it's like not about everything.

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Speaker 2: Something's actually happened. Dinosaurs existed.

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Speaker 3: This was so crazy to me, Like it's like I've

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Speaker 2: What keeps you up or what are you kind of

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Speaker 3: My concern is the ability for so many Americans to

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Speaker 3: that's on my heart. It's been on my heart for

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Speaker 3: I have a history of cult in my family. Wow, okay, strange.

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Speaker 3: looking and reading yeah, thank you stuff talks that I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know that sounds like a pretty Oh.

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Speaker 3: Is this sounds really interesting? Well, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have your back on to talk about it

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Speaker 1: What advice would you give your sixteen year old self?

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Speaker 3: I probably I would tell myself that it is okay

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Speaker 3: I still struggle with this, just to be quite honest

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Speaker 3: I do. I admire my kids, like they old? Are

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Speaker 3: They do. They are so different. My little sister has

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Speaker 3: They try? They have contributed to humanities.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I when I joke about having a fourth, my daughter's like,

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Speaker 1: But when I used to joke about it, yeah, she

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Speaker 2: Are we gonna do? Exactly, They'll be just too many

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's against them at that point exactly.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've loved this conversation, Kisha. I think you are fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Leave us here with your best tip.

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Speaker 2: For my listeners on how they can improve their lives.

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Speaker 3: How you can improve your life. Get in a quiet

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Speaker 3: place and get closer to God. That is what I

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Speaker 3: would say. That's how you can improve your life. The

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Speaker 3: no match. There is no match, so that would be

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Speaker 3: my advice. Get in a quiet place and get closer

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Speaker 2: Find God. Thank you so much for coming on. She

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Speaker 2: is Keisha King. Check out the Kisha King Show and

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Speaker 2: we're looking forward to this book. Let's let us know

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Speaker 2: when it's out.

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Speaker 3: Will do. Thank you so much, Carol,