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Speaker 1: Into the uptime for the touchdown, Hollywood Brown has been spectacular.

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Speaker 2: Connor to the five and end of the end zone

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Speaker 2: Problem solved touchdown, Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 3: All that was nasty right there right.

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Speaker 1: The latest news and notes from the insiders who cover

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Speaker 3: Break it On, Break it on, tuckdown, Save it.

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Speaker 2: Collin swam to the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield. I skirting nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul calvic.

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Speaker 2: Well, if it wasn't the off season, I'd probably start

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Speaker 2: by asking the questions, All right, did the Seattle Seahawks

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Speaker 2: get to town just based on the weather alone? I

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Speaker 2: don't know if that's the reason why Danny was fighting

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Speaker 2: the Yawns moments ago here on Cardinals Underground.

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Speaker 4: Why out like that pout?

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Speaker 2: Actually it's a positive because you know, in the past

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Speaker 2: you've been known to actually yawn during the open, so

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Speaker 2: at least before the open before I start speaking, I

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Speaker 2: take that as a positive.

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Speaker 4: That was that was before we had cameras, So now

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Speaker 4: that we're on camera, try to.

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Speaker 3: This is the kind of weather you get Seattle wise

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Speaker 3: after you lose coach double rainbow though that is true,

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Speaker 3: there is no rainbow dreary.

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Speaker 2: You know what, though, that's a great vertical tease what

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Speaker 2: they call in the business and or foreshadowing, because I'm

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Speaker 2: going to get to that a little bit later. We

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Speaker 2: do have Seattle Seahawks news that you can use. How

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Speaker 2: about that. By the way, if you're looking for a

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Speaker 2: ticket to the AFC NFC Championship game, I just saw this.

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Speaker 2: They are setting a record on the secondary market. Did

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Speaker 2: you know this, Danny, that if you wanted to get

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Speaker 2: into the building to see Taylor Swift, I mean, in

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Speaker 2: case against Baltimore, the cheapest get in ticket we're talking

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Speaker 2: end zone nosebleed, would be five hundred and forty four dollars.

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Speaker 2: The average ticket price right now is twenty two hundred,

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Speaker 2: and then the NFC Championship is close to twenty five

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Speaker 2: hundred is the average ticket price?

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Speaker 4: I will say at least you get a seat. There

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Speaker 4: are some stadiums where you'd have to pay that for

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Speaker 4: standing room only, so I guess at least you're getting

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Speaker 2: And I bring this up because also last weekend's four

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Speaker 2: NFL Division Around playoff games averaged just over forty million viewers,

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Speaker 2: which also set a record and was a big increase

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Speaker 2: over the previous year. And then of course the KC

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Speaker 2: Buffalo on CBS average a record fifty plus million viewers.

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Speaker 2: It's the most watched program on any network since last

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Speaker 2: year's Super Bowl Wow, and then the night last one

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Speaker 2: and then no more math. The Niners Green Bay game

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Speaker 2: averaged over thirty seven million. It's the most watched Saturday

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Speaker 2: telecast on any network since the nineteen ninety four Winner

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Speaker 3: Especially if it's the right teams, Yes, Packers, Niners, Mahomes,

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Speaker 2: And if it's a close game, and if it's a

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Speaker 2: telecasts it peaked mid fourth quarter. Yes, so if you've

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Speaker 2: got a close gripping, compelling game with plenty of storylines.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, I think they fought against just

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Speaker 2: the fatigue factor that Americans have when it comes to

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Speaker 2: this point, anybody else with may show a hands and

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Speaker 2: the whole Kansas City fatigue factor. I cannot tell you

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Speaker 4: I will say I was thinking about this the difference

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Speaker 4: are a lot more likable, though, are they not? Paul

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Speaker 3: Nugs are way better than Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 4: But the fatigue factor starts to don't take my solo

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Speaker 2: Face, detract from the interesting or compelling aspects of the

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Speaker 2: I don't think American can take two more weeks of

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Speaker 4: You didn't like what you saw from Jason Kelcey I

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Speaker 3: My absolute favorite tweet of the whole weekend was somebody

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Speaker 3: taking the part where he leans out and he screams,

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Speaker 4: Here's how I know that we're in a different demographic

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Speaker 4: as I saw that video, but it was the audio

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Speaker 4: on my Twitter, and well, I.

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Speaker 2: Think Jason Kelsey's looking at you know what? It worked

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Speaker 2: for the gronk. The whole party animal type persona got

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Speaker 2: TV gigs, So why not you know, why not? I

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Speaker 2: mean that's uh, can you not just see him trying

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Speaker 2: Let's get some camera time and make sure I go viral.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's marketing one on one, is it not.

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Speaker 4: I feel like that's probably more just his personality.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, don't you think he'll be a

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Speaker 3: good He'll be good on TV? Just his personality anyways.

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Speaker 2: Actually I've never actually seen the podcast, to be honest

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Speaker 3: Clips, I think he will be excellent in that role.

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Speaker 2: Or maybe he won't even need an official gig. It'll

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Speaker 2: be like Peyton Manning just forge his own company and.

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Speaker 3: He may or Peyton Manning, I'll just hire him, which

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Speaker 3: it seems like Peyton Manning h everybody else.

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Speaker 2: That's true, that could happen as well. So all right,

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Speaker 2: we got the final four and we'll get into the

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Speaker 2: Cardinals in a minute. Not to get all serious all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, but there are any takeaways, any best practices,

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Speaker 2: as they might say in the business world, the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: can take from these final four teams, the two NFC,

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Speaker 3: I know we've talked about it before, but I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think the patients that the Lions have had with

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Speaker 3: be I mean, maybe there won't be exact replication in

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Speaker 3: terms of why and how the Lions are winning to

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Speaker 3: a quote from Dan Campbell that came from his he

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Speaker 3: he'd been hired somewhere in that first offseason, and he

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Speaker 3: told the athletic that, and I'm paraphrasing, of course, but

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Speaker 3: he basically said, look, everybody wants to win right away,

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Speaker 3: but like to do it the right way, to have

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Speaker 3: something in place that will last. It's you can't do

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Speaker 3: they are now. We'll see how that works, because as

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Speaker 3: because guys, if you win, you start making money, you

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Speaker 3: start losing Guys, can you fill those those spots and everything?

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Speaker 3: But I do think that that is something that you

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Speaker 3: we just have a little bit of patience. Now again

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Speaker 3: to draw that to where the Cardinals are or where

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Speaker 3: they're going to be, Like somebody asking the mailbag this

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Speaker 3: that's an impossible question to ask because you don't know

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Speaker 3: the direction it's going to go. But I do think

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Speaker 3: it's possible. But there's a lot of things that have

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Speaker 4: When you're looking at the four teams, it's easiest, makes

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Speaker 4: the most sense to look at how the Lions have

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Speaker 4: where they want to go. And we've talked about that before.

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Speaker 4: The other thing that stands out besides patients when talking

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Speaker 4: But that's what stands out to me as well, because

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Speaker 4: saw the rookies play this year. That's another parallel that

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Speaker 4: I see is not just the patients, but also relying

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Speaker 2: It's true. Lions ownership stuck with Dan Campbell. At one

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Speaker 2: that assistant GM at the Cardinals, Dave Sears, had a

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Speaker 3: And that's true, obviously not the most recent draft because

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Speaker 3: They took Gibbs the running back, they took Laporta at.

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Speaker 2: Now, they took Jack Campbell the second round, second round,

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Speaker 3: But all three of those guys ended up playing huge

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Speaker 3: if you get the right pieces, they all kind of fit. Now. Again,

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Speaker 3: fascinated the mail bag again. A lot of questions already

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Speaker 3: about draft which were little early on that, and I'm

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Speaker 3: sure we'll talk about it on podcasts many, many times.

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Speaker 3: But the one thing I keep coming back to is like,

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Speaker 3: even though we've been through an offseason with Manti Austin

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Speaker 3: for we really we really don't know exactly, especially free

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Speaker 3: agent wise, how he's going to attack things. Because last year,

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Speaker 3: to me, was about clearing the decks, and I know

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Speaker 3: they would never say that, and there was other things

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Speaker 2: If you hit rewind it this time a year ago,

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Speaker 3: So you're saying that the off season between your rookie

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Speaker 2: Well done, Darren, well done? Yes? Why not? Absolutely? And

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Speaker 4: I here's the thing I know. I was just saying,

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Speaker 3: It feels to me at this early stage that again

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Speaker 2: And although I threw out Brian Burns last week, but

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Speaker 3: Look there's everything's on the table. But even if you

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Speaker 2: And supposedly reportedly two years ago, they were offered two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I would say, you know, ultimately, we're not

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Speaker 3: You see some possibilities there. This team have to supposedly

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Again, getting a generational, potentially talent at four, whether it's

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Speaker 2: I think I heard that as well in the beginning career. Right,

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Speaker 4: I just I think again of would it make more

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Speaker 2: Honestly, in an ideal world, you re signed Hollywood Brown

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Speaker 4: And then you're able to draft to receiver and.

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Speaker 2: Then you're able to use number four overall to either

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Speaker 4: Oh, I see what you're saying. You don't even want

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Speaker 2: Would you say where this draft is deep? It's tackles

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Because I made a little list here about some of

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Speaker 2: In fact, on Day three, a lot of them. How

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Speaker 2: as I've been saying, then okay, what did they do?

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Speaker 2: They added Aden Hutchinson number two overall, and they rebuilt

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Speaker 4: I think that is completely fair, and honestly, from what

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Speaker 4: So that's exactly what you're saying, are you seeing others?

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Speaker 3: Well? No, No. What I was going to say was part

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Speaker 3: Like if the Cardinals trade down, it's probably obviously it'd

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Speaker 4: But yeah, right, but you're you're it sounds like what

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Speaker 4: you're saying, Paul, which it's not a lot of wide

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Speaker 2: You're right or tackle the same as you can get away. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that had Marvin Harrison going four and then Malise Neighbors

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Speaker 3: There could be a run. There could be a run.

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Speaker 3: And I've also seen a mock and again, these are

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Speaker 4: There's gonna be two hundred of these in the next

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Speaker 3: But there was one mock draft out there that has

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Speaker 2: Well, I've seen a number of them that have the

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Speaker 3: you guys are talking about and and it's some of

438
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 3: it is philosophical, like you can't You're absolutely gonna be

439
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 3: able to make an argument that you can find a

440
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 3: really good receiver later. But Paul, you and I have

441
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 3: been around long enough. I mean, Chad Williams never did anything.

442
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 2: Nope.

443
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 3: John Brown was pretty good, but he didn't last super long.

444
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 3: Who else have they taken?

445
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 2: Well? And then you had the whole Keyshawn Johnson, Yeah,

446
00:21:55,160 --> 00:22:01,680
Speaker 2: Keyshawn Johnson and Butler? Yeah, so you know its yeah?

447
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 4: What was what was his name?

448
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 2: What was big old cards up? By the way, he

449
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 2: did make an appearance in Round one of the playoffs.

450
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 2: I saw that and then he tripped. They were trying

451
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 2: to get him the bubble screen outside slip.

452
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 3: He signed a futures he was on practic squad. He

453
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 3: signed a future deal with the Bills.

454
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 2: Gotcha. Here's the point I'm gonna make about receiver. If

455
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 2: you want to use the Lions, this is the last

456
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,479
Speaker 2: time I bring up the Lions here.

457
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 3: Okay, No it's not, but that's okay.

458
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 2: I saw a retrospect, retrospective on how they got to

459
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 2: this point, and they started with Matt Millen, otherwise known

460
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 2: as the worst GM in modern NFL history. Who was

461
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 2: the Lions GM from two thousand to two thousand and eight.

462
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 3: You're going to talk about receivers, aren't you?

463
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 2: And what did he do? And he did it more

464
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 2: than once. He took receiver top five or top ten. Yeah,

465
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: and by the time he left the year he left,

466
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 2: they went oh and sixteen. That's the roster he built.

467
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: Because he cut. He kept failing and flailing taking receivers

468
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 2: high in the draft and it never ever worked out.

469
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 3: Wasn't Calvin Johnson one of them? Though he worked out

470
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 3: pretty good? Think Charles Rogers did not, and neither did.

471
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: Another one, Mike Williams out of USC yep. So my

472
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: point is I just think that this regime, Manias and

473
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,959
Speaker 2: Ford in particular, they're looking more at the line of scrimmage.

474
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Yeah, the trenches is the starting point of everything.

475
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 4: I think that again, when you're reading the tea leaves

476
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 4: of what this front office, the moves that have been made,

477
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 4: that is where they stand. As well. Let's not forget

478
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 4: why yes you could you know, we agree that wide

479
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 4: receiver is a need. So is tackle. It would have

480
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 4: been a topic of discussion before DJ Humphries towards acl

481
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 4: and the second to last game of the season. It's

482
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,199
Speaker 4: it's a big need now because you don't know how

483
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 4: much time he's going to miss. And although the Cardinals

484
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 4: do have options, they could decide they want Humphries back

485
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 4: when he's healthy, and you ride with Calvin Beacham, who

486
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 4: spent a lot of his career before signing to the

487
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 4: Cardinals a couple of years ago as the left tackle.

488
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 4: He's just been more on the right side here in Arizona.

489
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 4: You could decide that Paris Johnson Junior is your future

490
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 4: left tackle and this is the time to move him,

491
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 4: or you could look in the draft. I mean, there

492
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 4: are plenty of reasons that drafting a tackle high for

493
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 4: the Cardinals, or maybe that second pick in the first

494
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 4: round makes sense. So wide receiver is a big need.

495
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 4: I know, we've talked about that now more than ever,

496
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 4: though tackle is as well.

497
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 2: So if you don't go receiver and or tackle at

498
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 2: number four, then you have a second first round pick

499
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: courtesy of the trade with the Texans last year. For

500
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 2: those fans who maybe have been in denial about where

501
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 2: that Texans pick ultimately stands where it ended up, go ahead,

502
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 2: just give it to them straight Darren, Where are the

503
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 2: Cardinals picking courtesy of that Texans pick in the first round.

504
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 3: Twenty seventh twenties.

505
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 2: Okay, well, look it was a calculated gamble. The recent

506
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: NFL history was in your favor. Just didn't happen to

507
00:24:59,160 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 2: work out.

508
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 3: Again, I'm not I mean, I'm just to say it

509
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 3: doesn't work out.

510
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 2: Houston went from three to thirteen and one to ten

511
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 2: and seven and winners of the division. Yea, every year

512
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: there's one team that goes from worse to first. Historically,

513
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 2: I think it's like eighteen to the last twenty years

514
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 2: or something like that. You had the misfortune if you're

515
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 2: the Cardinals of the Houston Texans, defining the odds and

516
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: being that one team to go from worse to first,

517
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 2: to have that one rookie quarterback to defy NFL history

518
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 2: in every single expectation I wrote down over here, you

519
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 2: realize that CJ. Stroud ended up throwing for the second

520
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 2: most passing yards by rookie in NFL history, behind only

521
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: Andrew Luck And he ended the season with one hundred

522
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: and ninety eight straight pass attempts without a pick. He

523
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: only had five old year three.

524
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 3: I only saw him live once and he didn't look

525
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 3: all that great town exactly?

526
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 4: Does it make it feel if he wins, If he

527
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 4: wins like offensive Rookie the year, does that make Does

528
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 4: that make it? Does that take away some of the

529
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 4: staying of the Cardinals picking twenty seven because he had

530
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 4: such a great year as opposed to him kind of

531
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 4: riding the bubble.

532
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 3: And let me answer this question. How do you feel

533
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 3: if I tell you that the Pro Football Writers of

534
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 3: America voted C. J. Stroud is the Offensive Rookie Year

535
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 3: and Will Anderson is the Defensive Rookie of the Year. Really, yep?

536
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 4: Does that make it feel a little better? Of like

537
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 4: the pick dropped just because they were that good as

538
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 4: opposed to riding the line and they just happened to

539
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 4: get hot at the right time, and they weren't that

540
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 4: good of a team.

541
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: I mean, you could you couldn't know. And again I'm

542
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 3: not judge. I'm not going to judge this this trade

543
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 3: until we know all the all of what they get

544
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 3: out of it. And we won't know that until I mean,

545
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 3: if you end up there's been somebody sent a good friend.

546
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 3: Jim Omhundro sent a list of the twenty seventh overall

547
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: picks over like the last twenty years or whatever it

548
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 3: was you wanted. Who one of them was DeAndre Hopkins. Interesting, now,

549
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 3: if you go over the list, there's some okay players.

550
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 3: There's not a lot of superstars. There's definitely some guys

551
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 3: that okay, never heard of them again, So it could

552
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 3: be anything, but you can you can find something. And

553
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 3: then if they end up getting something out of the

554
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 3: is it the second round pick or the third round

555
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 3: pick they got in that trade. I think they got

556
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: into a third round pick two.

557
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: So believe.

558
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot that can and once if

559
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 3: we see all these players and then a couple of years,

560
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: let's see. Now. The other thing that I keep bringing

561
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 3: up with this trade that people I feel like they

562
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 3: are kind of not thinking clearly on and it kind

563
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 3: of goes back to what we keep talking about, what

564
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 3: might happen at four with Marvin Harrison or a tackle.

565
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 3: Let's say, if the Cardinals would have stayed at three,

566
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: there's a very good chance they take Paris Johnson and

567
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 3: not Will Anderson. So this idea that they gave up

568
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 3: Will Anderson isn't totally true because I think they probably

569
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 3: would have taken Paris Anyways.

570
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 2: By the way, Will Anderson, I'm looking at here and

571
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 2: it is a rookie season. Setting a Houston Texans rookie

572
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: record was seven sacks. He had forty five tackles, ten

573
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 2: tackles for loss, twenty two quarterback hits. He missed two

574
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 2: games with the ankle injury. Andy was in tears after

575
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 2: the playoff loss. That's how emotional he was about losing

576
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: that game and how much he said he's looking forward

577
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: to next season with CJ. Stroud and Tamiko Ryans.

578
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 4: You can still find good pieces at twenty seven. You

579
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 4: can still find plug and play starters at twenty seven.

580
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 4: For me, this is where it gets interesting. It'll be

581
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 4: interesting to see riding the line of best player available

582
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 4: and position of need because they really just go hand

583
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 4: in hand of you might have. Thankfully for the Cardinals,

584
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 4: they have lots of positions of need to a certain extent, though,

585
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 4: if there's a player on the board who might be

586
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 4: your eighteenth overall player sitting there at twenty seven, and

587
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 4: it's right maybe not one of your top two positions

588
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 4: of need, that you might think it still would make

589
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 4: sense to take that player. If that's how this front

590
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 4: office is scouting department ranks them. I think for twenty

591
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 4: seven I would have no problem even if they take

592
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 4: a tackle up. For give me another INTI your offensive

593
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 4: line offensive lineman like beef up that O line. I

594
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 4: would be absolutely here for it. And if you're not

595
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 4: taking another offensive lineman at twenty seven, guess what defensive

596
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 4: lineman works just fine for me. I know there are

597
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 4: a few dbs that have been early on mocked in

598
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 4: the first round kind of in that area. Again, if

599
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 4: you think that is somebody who could come in and

600
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 4: be a star player for you, great. I'm still sticking

601
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 4: with the fact that while there are players who are

602
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 4: like Edgreshers who are being mocked in the first round,

603
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 4: I think again, I'm staying by if you can get

604
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 4: a trade and get a veteran presence in that room,

605
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 4: somebody who you know will come and be a game wrecker.

606
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 4: You have the draft capital to do that. It's just

607
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 4: a matter of wanting to pay that or being able

608
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 4: to afford that. I would have no problem at twenty

609
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 4: seven taking a player on either side of the line

610
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 4: of scrimmage.

611
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 3: My my young son decided to do a pro football

612
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 3: focused mock draft. They have that machine in there, and

613
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 3: apparently you can trade for out actual players. So that's

614
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 3: what he did. He took Harrison at four, okay, and

615
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 3: then he executed a trade for Brian Burns with that

616
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 3: twenty seventh pick and some other stuff. And I could

617
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: see that potentially happening.

618
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 2: I mean, it's good, you know, kids using chat GPT

619
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Speaker 2: for something other than cheating in school. It's good. I'm

620
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: glad to hear that. So that's that's solid. I appreciate that.

621
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: By the way, the best thing that can happen to

622
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: the Cardinals at number four is there's a fourth quarterback

623
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: that's on.

624
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 4: The board, who's sitting at number five right now.

625
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: He wants That's part of the problem. It's the Chargers.

626
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: So the part of the quarterback, Paul.

627
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 4: They do not they actually need a receiver of some sort.

628
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 3: Yes, they do.

629
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: The next team down the draft order that has a

630
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: legit need for quarterback would be Atlanta at eight, and

631
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: then you have the Raiders at thirteen, Denver at twelve,

632
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: and there's some Minnesota at eleven. So are you willing

633
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: to fall that far? Are they giving you in return?

634
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 3: Even at eight? I'd be concerned if quarterbacks go one

635
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 3: two three. Even at eight, I'd be concerned that both

636
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: tackles and Marvin Harrison are gone by the time I pick.

637
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I.

638
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: Yes, you would have to be comfortable with probably any

639
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: of three tackles, any of three receivers if you're going

640
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: down to eight. I agree. But if who's going to

641
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: be this year's Anthony Richardson, that is my question because

642
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: there's always that one quarterback who makes the run, at

643
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: least in recent history, Trey Lance out of nowhere to

644
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: go number three, Zach Wilson out of nowhere to go

645
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: number two, Anthony Richardson last year out of nowhere to

646
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: go number four, and every single mock draft that I've

647
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: seen as Caleb Williams, Drake May and Jayden Daniel's going one, two, three.

648
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: What about a fourth quarterback?

649
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 4: I've seen bow Knicks or maybe that was lower lower

650
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 4: in the draft for Bonnicks.

651
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 3: See I've seen lots. I've seen a handful of mock drafts.

652
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 3: Has Harrison to the Patriots and then they take bow

653
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 3: Knicks early in the second round?

654
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: Did they miss the Drod Meyo interview where he actually

655
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: told the interviewer that we're going to take the best

656
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: player who actually plays quarterback at number three. He didn't

657
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: say quarterback, He hinted heavily at that was the position. Right.

658
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 3: I'm sure he wouldn't play any kind of mind games.

659
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: At this Okay, all right, you're sure it wasn't. Maybe

660
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: inexperience of being a head coach and showing a little

661
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: too much.

662
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe did he call Dennis Green on us?

663
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know, we'll see. All I do know

664
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: is that the Cardinals have like a half dozen assistant

665
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: coaches who are working the All Star Games.

666
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 4: Very impressive.

667
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: So a little intel hopefully that you're able to generate

668
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: courtesy of your assistant coaches who are working on the

669
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: front lines with a lot of these players.

670
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 4: Right, And they're doing things a little differently with the

671
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 4: senior ball because normally it's the coaching staff of the

672
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 4: worst record for NFC and AFC, and they're kind of

673
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 4: changing it up. But the Cardinals do still have a

674
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 4: lot of play, a lot of coaches rather that were

675
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 4: nominated and selected to have different roles, And I like

676
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 4: that because you're still getting exposure to play. It's also

677
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 4: a great way that the NFL is trying to get

678
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 4: exposure for these coaches, and it's a lot of them

679
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 4: are kind of having either similar or more of an elevated,

680
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 4: more of a promotional role from what they have with

681
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 4: their current team. So that's very exciting. They're going to

682
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 4: get a lot of a lot of good intel from

683
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 4: those games.

684
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: For example, Israel Wolfork, he's going to be working the

685
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl. He's the quarterback coach. What he did last year,

686
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: he was the one who connected with Clayton Tune and

687
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: the Cardinals end up taking Clayton Tune in the fifth round.

688
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: Audrey Dnson, Cardinals running backs coach. He's going to do

689
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: the same in the Senior Bowl. Chris Cook, assistant O

690
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: line coach for the Cardinals, is going to help coach

691
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: the O line at the Senior Bowl for the national team.

692
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: Connor Singer, the wide receivers coach at the Senior Bowl.

693
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: He's part of the Cardinals staff. And then Drew Torell

694
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: that he's going to be the OC in the Shrine Game.

695
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: And I saw the quote Darren, he told you Azycardinals

696
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: dot Com quote. Yes, the evaluation is a huge part

697
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: of it. It's an advantage for us quote end quote.

698
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 3: Well, there's no question and you mentioned Clayton Tune. Last year,

699
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: Wolfork was on the other All Star team with Michael Wilson.

700
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: But he as soon as he saw him in person,

701
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 3: and this is a kid who they didn't know a

702
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: lot of people didn't know a lot about because he

703
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 3: was injured, he really loved him, watched him in some practice.

704
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: So by the and at this point he was working

705
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 3: for the Browns. So when he gets hired with the

706
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 3: Cardinals and they start doing their draft prep, obviously he

707
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 3: was on their radar. But Israel Wolfork could say, look,

708
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: I was around this guy. He was really good at

709
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 3: this and that I mean, that's part of it. You

710
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 3: talked about Clayton Tune. Spencer Whipple apparently is also going

711
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 3: to coach wide receivers at the Senior Bowl as well.

712
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: That's right, yep. And you get a sense, Okay, is

713
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 2: the kid immature? Is the kid a professional? Is the

714
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 2: kid ready? Is he a worker? Is there a grinder house?

715
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 4: Does he learn?

716
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: Yep? How focus there?

717
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: Do you?

718
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: Can you show him something? Does he automatically take to

719
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: it and make the immediate improvement? You know? How coachable

720
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 2: is he?

721
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 3: You're right, it's interesting that you're bringing up that point,

722
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: and and it's it's really important for the draftees and

723
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 3: it's what everybody should go through. But even free agency,

724
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: that's the thing when people start reading off lists of

725
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 3: guys that are going to be these veterans that are

726
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 3: going to be available on free agency. I know some

727
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: of them are sexy names, and you're like, Oh, what

728
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 3: about this guy? What about this guy? I don't think

729
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 3: we can look past the fact that Mani, Austin Fort

730
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 3: and Jonathan Gannon have a very specific kind of player

731
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 3: they want in here, and we don't know what they

732
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 3: think of some of these free agents in that regard.

733
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: So there might be some guys that everybody in the

734
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: outside's thinking, Oh, that guy makes sense, they need this position,

735
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 3: and he's available, and they'll never really have that much

736
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 3: of an interest in going after him because they know

737
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 3: this or that. That's something else that needs to be

738
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 3: kept in mind. It's not just the rookies they're drafting,

739
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 3: but also the guys that are going to be signing

740
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 3: as free agency.

741
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 2: Once upon a time, not too long ago, Cardinals signed

742
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: Jordan Phillips from the Bills, and he had a contract

743
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: year and his final year of his rookie deal and

744
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: he had like ten sacks as an interior d lineman

745
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 2: and then did not deliver zero return on investment on

746
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: So yes, buy or beware and free agency, there's no

747
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 2: doubt about it. And there's a lot of personnel people

748
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: who feel strongly if a player makes it to free agency,

749
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 2: there is a reason why his current team is letting

750
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: that player hit the open market tread lightly, and so

751
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: you know, we'll see I will say that, you know,

752
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: a little shout out to Drew Torell if he's as

753
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: the OC and play callers. Some kid really balls out

754
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: during practice here, right, you know, and you don't showcase

755
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: him in the game. I mean, don't give them any touches,

756
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: don't give me any targets, don't don't feed them. I mean,

757
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: you know, no, keep that information to yourself. You don't

758
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: suppress all that.

759
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: Here's the hilarious part about this, Paul. Most of the

760
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 3: decision makers in the NFL never watched the game. They

761
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 3: might watch it tape later, but they all bail from

762
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 3: those places. It is true in practices, so I don't

763
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 3: know what you're talking about.

764
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 4: They don't want to spend more time in like mobile Alabama.

765
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: The Shrine games in Frisco.

766
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 4: I noticed that the four Center.

767
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 3: Home check out the Shrine game.

768
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: I heard someone say, I was all inside, so they

769
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about the weather or anything.

770
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 3: So Okay, how big is that? How many many people

771
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 3: are conceived?

772
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 4: I don't know, but a whole lot, I I yeah,

773
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 4: oh yeah, tens of thousands.

774
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 3: Oh that big? Yeah, Because when I was looking, I

775
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 3: kept thinking they were going to play it at AT

776
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 3: and T and then I'm like, no, They're just playing

777
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: in Frisco. I'm like, wow, that's kind of interesting.

778
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: So that's getting started real quick, isn't it? The whole shrine?

779
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 4: And sorry, twelve thousand, I think twelve thousand.

780
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: I think the Shrine week starts at the end of

781
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 3: this week, if I'm yeah, I think the Shrine starts

782
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 3: at the end of this week because the game is Thursday,

783
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 3: a week from Thursday, and then the Senior Bowl starts

784
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: at the beginning of next week and the game is Saturday,

785
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: I believe.

786
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: So you think the Seahawks will have a head coach

787
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: by then? I mean, what's going on? I saw where

788
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 2: Atlanta just interviewed like it's thirteenth or fourteenth head coaching candidate.

789
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't know if Bill Belichick is

790
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 3: going to be that many, if you're if you're higher,

791
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: if you're talking to that many people. And the last

792
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 3: thing I saw was the Falcons had put in for

793
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 3: second interviews with the two Lions guys. If you're hiring

794
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick, I don't think you're you're going in for

795
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: second interviews over guys that you can't talk to for

796
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: potentially a while.

797
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: I mean, we thought dan Quinn was gonna be the

798
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: Seahawks head coach, right dan Quinn, I thought he was

799
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: a shoe in, but then all of a sudden he

800
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 2: gave up a forty eight burger in the playoffs to

801
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: Jordan Love and maybe not so much. Although ultimately eventually

802
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: I still would say dan Quinn would probably be the

803
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: betting favorite in Seattle to return to WinCE, he was

804
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: a that's a great cuss. I don't know. I do

805
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: know that. Pete Carroll, coach Double Rainbow. He went out

806
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: to his advisory role with a couple of choice comments

807
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 2: when he was talking about how ownership isn't comprised of

808
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: football people, hence they have a hard time assessing what's

809
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: going on.

810
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 3: This year Seahawks News, you were teaching?

811
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: How about that Pete Carroll on is a radio show,

812
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: And because remember right before is a reassignment right to

813
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: that as an evaluator or whatever it was the BA role.

814
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: He had said to the media two days earlier he

815
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: planned to remain as head coach, and then he had

816
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 2: plenty of energy, but then he got transitioned, and in

817
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 2: his radio interview he made that comment that it's tough

818
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: when you're trying to explain how you want to fix

819
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 2: it and you're not talking to quote football people, interesting

820
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 2: and so. And he also let it be known that

821
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: he was in charge of the roster, that it's now

822
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: the GM John Schneider Show. But it wasn't before that

823
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: he had final say.

824
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: I thought I read that part somewhere though that when

825
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: he was out, somebody said, Okay, now Schneider finally has control.

826
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 3: So I don't know if that was a big secret.

827
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: Well, and then when Schneider met the media, he said

828
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: he was going to have control among other things, not

829
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 2: just the roster but the coaching staff.

830
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 3: So a lot going on there.

831
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: What does that mean for an incoming head coach? You're

832
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 2: not going to have final say over your own staff.

833
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 3: That doesn't make sense to me.

834
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if it's becoming a little more problematic

835
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: and or difficult for the Seahawks to find a head

836
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: coach then they originally thought considering the terms of employment.

837
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: Perhaps I don't know. Perhaps all I know is that

838
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 2: that Pete Carroll, when asked flat out where do you

839
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: need to improve? What was your assessment? He said, both

840
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 2: lines of scrimmage, And if you look at some of

841
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: the stats, the Seahawks ran the fewest plays in the

842
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 2: NFL this year because the defense couldn't get a stop

843
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 2: and then they couldn't and they couldn't sustain drives on offense.

844
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: So but Seattle is going after line of scrimmage. But

845
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 2: if Pete Carroll's opinion.

846
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 3: If Pete Carroll was in charge of the roster, isn't

847
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 3: that his fault that they didn't have good enough players?

848
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 4: Yes, if you want to reverse engineer it, he was

849
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 4: objective enough to see where the problems were.

850
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 3: Darren, Yeah, but that that when you're talking to somebody

851
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: who knows football or doesn't know football. My first thought was, yeah,

852
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 3: I did a lousy job. This needs to be fixed

853
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 3: because I did allows you job putting it together. That

854
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 3: would that would concern me.

855
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 2: It may not have been his job to find the players,

856
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 2: maybe identify the needs and draft accordingly, but then to

857
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: actually identify the draft picks and free aig.

858
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 3: Are you in charge of the roster or not.

859
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: Saying that was beyond the purview of coach Double Rainbow?

860
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 4: A lot of defending for Seattle Seahawks over there, Paul.

861
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: You know, it's I just I want to go back

862
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: to the days of two off seasons ago when I

863
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 2: could refer to them as the last place Seahawks. Those

864
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: were the you know, glory days.

865
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 4: Also the off season where you said Tom Brady was

866
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 4: going to sign with the forty nine ers.

867
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: That's still COVID.

868
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 4: Was that the hot take out us?

869
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: That's right, everything was a miss Darren, You're right, it

870
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 2: was just any sort of failures during that period of time,

871
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 2: blame it on COVID. You're right, that is the default excuse.

872
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. So speaking the Division, are

873
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: the Niners in trouble against the Detroit Lions. You realize

874
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 2: it was a Niners team that allowed Green Bay to

875
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: take their first three possessions all the way down the

876
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 2: field into the red zone, and then Green Bay failed

877
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: with a couple of field goals and a failed fourth down,

878
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 2: and then the Niners just gave up their first one

879
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: hundred yard rusher in fifty games. Steve Wolkes defense, what

880
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: do you think think it's gonna happen? With Jared Goff

881
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: coming into his hometown? This is an epic all time

882
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: matchup for Jared Goff in his career. He's coming home

883
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: and he's taking the Lions and they're not going to

884
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: sweat Levi's Stadium or that atmosphere.

885
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 4: Come on now, I think it'll be interesting. It really

886
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 4: does feel like that underdog mentality. I mean, the forty

887
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 4: nine ers have just been juggernauts for so long, and

888
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 4: even if it hasn't been that long, they've been so

889
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 4: dominant the last couple of years. It's kind of hard

890
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 4: to imagine if they lose to a Lion's team. But

891
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 4: Detroit's done a nice job of consistently doing enough and

892
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 4: turning things around that I think it will be interesting

893
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 4: to see. I mean, San Francisco has been a complete team. Yes,

894
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 4: to me, it all just comes down to their offense.

895
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 4: Is kind of how Rock Perty's playing, Christian McCaffrey getting

896
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 4: him the ball, So I think it just kind of

897
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 4: rides on the two of those.

898
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 3: Is Deebo playing, it's a shoulder for him, right, Yeah,

899
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 3: to me, if Deebo Samuel doesn't play, that's gonna make

900
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 3: a big difference to me. I think that the forty

901
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 3: nine ers absolutely need to be favored. But would I

902
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 3: be surprised if the Lions won that game. No, I

903
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised if they won that game. I'm curious

904
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: to know if it's going to be raining again or

905
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: if it's going to be a nice day. Is Christian

906
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 3: McCaffrey who doesn't ever seem to I mean, the guy

907
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 3: was hurt a bunch and then he got to San

908
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 3: Francisco and now even when he is hurt, he's running

909
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 3: for one hundred yards and two touchdowns. So because the

910
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 3: thing that really threw me the other not having Deebo

911
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 3: Samuel made a huge difference. But there was something off

912
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 3: with Brock Purdy the other day, and I don't know.

913
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: You know, again, I'm not putting him in the same

914
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 3: class as the Patrick Mahomes of the world, But I

915
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: also don't know if I mean, guys are gonna have

916
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 3: hiccups and that might have just been that day.

917
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 2: And you know, I mean green Bay flat out drop

918
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: two picks, just two picks right in their hands. And

919
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 2: then you saw brock Purty struggling with the rain and

920
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: he's wiping his hand in his game pants and during

921
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: the dropback. So you hope that was what was responsible

922
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: for poor accuracy at times because until that final drive

923
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: where he was nails and he went six to seven

924
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: and they had the game winning touchdown. Yeah, his accuracy

925
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: was lacking in a lot of that game. So we'll

926
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: see if he's up to the task on that one.

927
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: All I know is Green Bay was the more physical

928
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 2: team for a lot of that game. And the Lions

929
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 2: are a physical team and they have a physical offensive line.

930
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: And so the Niners' strength as a team is that

931
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: defensive front, and the Lions are equipped to handle that.

932
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 4: So we agree, we're all cheering for the Lions and

933
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 4: the Ravens, right. Well, I did see.

934
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: Something that's fatigue factor. We don't want to see San

935
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 2: Francisco or Caning City.

936
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 4: And that was my point is I saw something on

937
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 4: Twitter of a discussion of this perfect situation. If you're

938
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 4: a Cardinals fan, are you maybe not rooting for the

939
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 4: forty nine ers, but you want your division to be

940
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 4: represented and say, look, how good this vision is. I

941
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 4: have no problem with the fortyers winning, or is it?

942
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 4: Heck no, I don't want the forty nine ers to

943
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 4: win the super Bowtel character in my Division's That's how

944
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 4: I would feel.

945
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 3: PAC twelve talking, I'm like, oh, yeah, do I want you?

946
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: You have adle to win the Rose Bowl because then

947
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 3: the packed.

948
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 4: Now, oh that was a close one.

949
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 3: Now, first of all, we keep talking about this chief fatigue.

950
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: I noticed when you guys went on your monologues about

951
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 3: it earlier that you never actually got around to me

952
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 3: asking me if I had any chief fatigue all, which

953
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 3: I don't. Well, so it doesn't really bother me if

954
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 3: the Chiefs get in.

955
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 2: You're so objective as an ultimate journalist, we didn't ask.

956
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 4: I'm just saying it feels different than when the Patriots

957
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 4: were No.

958
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 3: No, I know you when he said chiefs fatigue, you

959
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: were like, yeah, I have a little bit of it.

960
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,959
Speaker 4: You did say that, okay, we could roll the tape,

961
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 4: but anyway.

962
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 3: Whatever, anyways, and I would definitely want to see the

963
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 3: Lions win in part because I'm originally from Detroit, So

964
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: I mean not that I.

965
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 4: You know, I mean exciting if you're a Michigan fan

966
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 4: and a.

967
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 3: Line I definitely enjoyed the Michigan championship. By the way, Paul,

968
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 3: you said you weren't going to talk about Lions anymore,

969
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 3: and then you started talking about the Lions again, and

970
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,479
Speaker 3: you didn't even talk about your lines.

971
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 2: Just today, Oh my goodness, my wife's best friend. They've

972
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: lost their mind, all right in the d the three

973
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: one three, as Eminem says, all right, they she sent

974
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: us a box baby of Lions gear, fully well, knowing

975
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: my Cardinals affiliation, and she sent me my own personal

976
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 2: pair of Lions socks.

977
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 4: Why are you so offend about a nice gesture?

978
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm gonna what I'm gonna do is I'm

979
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: gonna put them on eBay. I'm gonna send her the

980
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: link to the listing. Is what I'm gonna do. I'm

981
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: gonna sell those things off. She knows what she's doing

982
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: on that one.

983
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 4: You should wait because if they win the Super Bowl,

984
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 4: maybe they'll be worth more.

985
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: How dare you send my kids Lions gear? Come on, now,

986
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 2: they live in the az we represent here at State

987
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: forty eight. It's wrong. It's just wrong. But you know

988
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 2: now they're trying to go ahead and doctorate eight everyone

989
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: into a Lion's nation and all that. I get it.

990
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 3: We'll let you all know. Any where's the socks.

991
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 2: Everyone, It'll be good. But I will say this, I mean,

992
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: if you talk about and I've talked about this before, okay,

993
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: the city of Detroit has won championships, the Red Wings

994
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: and the Tigers and the Pistons, it'll be nothing like

995
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 2: what happens if the Lions can actually win the Super Bowl.

996
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about it. And that's a great

997
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 2: thing about sports. We lived it here with the with

998
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: the Cardinals in two thousand and eight and twenty fifteen.

999
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 2: It just unifies an entire state, an entire metro area.

1000
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 2: It's one thing in this time of divided nation, right

1001
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: that brings everyone together well again.

1002
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 3: And it's kind of what we were talking about last

1003
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 3: week where you go back to you see these fans,

1004
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 3: you saw the season ticket holder since like nineteen fifty

1005
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,479
Speaker 3: five and everything, and there's a part of you going, man,

1006
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 3: you stuck with them this long, and that's kind of

1007
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 3: crazy when you didn't get the payoff, but when you

1008
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 3: get the payoff, like if you're a Cardinals fan or

1009
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: if you're a Lions fan, it's so different than if

1010
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 3: you're a Cowboys fan.

1011
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 4: For instance, if they win by Brian oh god, now

1012
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 4: he's getting shot first name, Yeah, that's my dad. Everybody.

1013
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 4: I feel like if the Lions win and they do

1014
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 4: their Super Bowl parade, they might just unveil a Dan

1015
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 4: Campbell's statue in the middle of the city right then

1016
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 4: and there.

1017
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 2: And by the way, I hate to say that, but

1018
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl parade, please let it be better than

1019
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: the Thanksgiving Day parade that Detroit does every year, and

1020
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: that they televise on some far flung channel that you'll

1021
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 2: find on a distant cable network, and that my wife

1022
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 2: always tunes in as the Detroit Native every Thanksgiving morning

1023
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: and then I lampoon it with a coffee in my hand.

1024
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: It's a it's tradition in the Yeah, you can find it.

1025
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 2: There's the Macy's Day parade in Thanksgiving and then there's

1026
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: the Detroit parade. And let's just say they're not one

1027
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: and the same. So let's hope the Lion's Parade, if

1028
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:45,919
Speaker 2: there is one is much better.

1029
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 4: Save your lion socks and if they have the parade,

1030
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 4: Darren can wear them and go to Detroit.

1031
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Darren, you they're all yours, Darren, I think, say

1032
00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 2: no more about that one. Yeah. The look I covered

1033
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: the Lions back in the day, so back in the

1034
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 2: Silver Dome and before you were born, Danny, oh boy,

1035
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: sounds like it so uh. You know, they couldn't win

1036
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: anything with Barry Sanders back in the day, but they

1037
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 2: figured it out now. And once again, Dank. By the way,

1038
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 2: who's gonna win Coach of the Year? Is it Demiko Ryans?

1039
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 2: That'll be uh right? I mean Dan Campbell In hindsight.

1040
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: Well again again, the playoffs don't matter because all the

1041
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 3: votes are in before the playoffs. I mean, I think

1042
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 3: Stefanski's gonna get some votes with five quarterbacks and eleven wins.

1043
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 2: Yeah true.

1044
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 3: I mean it's not often that your ratio of wins

1045
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks is like one point five and you're winning

1046
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 3: going to the playoffs.

1047
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 2: All right, so there you go. Uh you know, I look,

1048
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: once again, I just think the fatigue is real. As

1049
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 2: a nation. It would do wonders for the morale of

1050
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 2: America if we got some fresh blood and Lamar and

1051
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 2: the Ravens with the Lions and Dan Campbell. That's just

1052
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 2: my opinion.

1053
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 3: I kept thinking to myself that could be totally clipped

1054
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: and then we could just talk about the fatigue and

1055
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 3: you could put anybody in there.

1056
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 4: Well, have you have y'all seen fatigue? The conspiracy theory

1057
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 4: of the color of the Super Bowl logo. Every year

1058
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 4: and that the last like three years, the two primary

1059
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 4: colors in the league's Super Bowl logo have been the

1060
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,479
Speaker 4: primary colors of the two teams facing off.

1061
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: Come on, and this.

1062
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 4: Year the main colors are like a reddish purple, which

1063
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 4: would be San Francisco and Baltimore. Gotcha, let me look

1064
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 4: up the recent one was.

1065
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: Speaking of Craig Grial, he brought up that the NFL

1066
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 2: season open of that Thursday night game was what Lions

1067
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: at Kansas City.

1068
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, So I remember that. Yeah, that feels

1069
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 3: like a million years ago.

1070
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 2: Did that portend something there on that front?

1071
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 4: So sorry, I have this picture right here if you

1072
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 4: can see on the camera, So it two years ago.

1073
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 4: The main colors were like an orange yellow that was

1074
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 4: Bengals Rams. Last year in Arizona, the greenish and then

1075
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 4: you know, like the red in the background was Eagles Chiefs,

1076
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 4: and now it's like a reddish purple. You guys can

1077
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 4: kind of see sick.

1078
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha, so Baltimore. Wait, reddish purple, So Baltimore in

1079
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: the Niners. Okay, that's what that's what people are saying.

1080
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 3: Or you could just say the number one seeds are

1081
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 3: going to get there and that's not.

1082
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 4: A fun Darren.

1083
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: That'll do it for this edition of Cardinals Underground, brought

1084
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:24,960
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