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Speaker 1: Here are your host Bow Bishop and Nathan Zigura. Hey

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Speaker 1: there and welcome into this special edition of Cleveland Brown's Daily.

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Speaker 1: I am merely Bo Gibby here as well. This is

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Speaker 1: a special edition of Cleveland Browns Daily as we enter

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Speaker 1: into best of week here. Over the next week, you'll

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Speaker 1: be hearing some of the best interviews that we've done

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Speaker 1: here in the off season, getting you set as we

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Speaker 1: will all start to get set towards training camp starting

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Speaker 1: on July here in Barria. Between now and then and

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Speaker 1: over the next week, you'll be hearing some of those interviews,

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Speaker 1: some of the highlights, some of the things that we

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Speaker 1: good interviews here, some insight into how this offseason took place,

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Speaker 1: through draft, through free agency, the acquisition of Deshaun Watson.

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Speaker 1: All of those conversations will be had over the course

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Speaker 1: of the next week or oh um. The idea here

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Speaker 1: of it has been I realized this has been a

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Speaker 1: tough uh stretch, certainly going through some of these headlines.

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Speaker 1: But but this is heading into a fun stretch here

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Speaker 1: as we are inching closer to training camp, and it's funny, Gibby,

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Speaker 1: as we as we take a look at this thing

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Speaker 1: and today's show, you'll hear our interview with Paul D.

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Speaker 1: Podesta going back from the draft in the off season

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Speaker 1: that conversationally in here. This is gonna be draft heavy today,

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Speaker 1: so we'll get Matt Miller on this program as well

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Speaker 1: breaking down our draft, Dane Brugler on the draft as well.

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Speaker 1: Um Sam Monson will be Uh. An interview we did

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Speaker 1: with Sam Monson will be in this program as well today,

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Speaker 1: So this one will be on most of the time

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Speaker 1: in the heavy lifting and the show today that you'll

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Speaker 1: hear will be on the draft and on player acquisitions

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Speaker 1: from this offseason. It should be really good. Uh. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna hear some complete breakdowns of our draft class,

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Speaker 1: of what we've done in free agency, what what guys

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Speaker 1: these expert and all assists are telling you, Uh, make

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Speaker 1: this football team a championship caliber football team. Yeah, all

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Speaker 1: of the pieces everything that's been done here, you know,

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Speaker 1: you think about this group with Paul and A B

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Speaker 1: and Stefanski that have been together now going into the

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Speaker 1: third season, the third offseason together. Um, this full plan

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Speaker 1: is now coming into picture. And what you have is

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Speaker 1: one of the more talented rosters in all of the

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Speaker 1: National Football League. And so you're gonna get a look

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Speaker 1: at that. Speaking of Paul, he's at the forefront of this.

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Speaker 1: That conversation is coming up next. You're listen to a

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Speaker 1: strategy officer Paul de Podesta. This was after the NFL

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Speaker 1: draft from early May. Let's have a listen, Paul, thank

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Speaker 1: have these competitions where these guys who are drafted late

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Speaker 1: try to make the roster, but there still do feel

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Speaker 1: like there might be some needs, whether it be that

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Speaker 1: edge opposite you know, Miles Garrett, whether that be you know,

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Speaker 1: a nickel corner with the trading of Troy Hill, or

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Speaker 1: certainly adding somebody else to that receiver room. If you

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Speaker 1: are going into the veteran free agent market, is the

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Speaker 1: desire not to say that it's got everything works out

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Speaker 1: the way you want, but is the desire to have

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Speaker 1: these guys here for the man in time for the

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Speaker 1: mandatory mini camp so that they can get started there.

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Speaker 1: Would you like to have, you know, the roster is

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Speaker 1: fleshed out as possible by then. I think that's probably

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Speaker 1: true both for the team and for the players. I

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Speaker 1: think I think players at this point are anxious, especially

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Speaker 1: if it's going to be a new situation for them. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they want to be and they want to be in

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Speaker 1: some of the O T A s. They certainly want

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Speaker 1: to be in detery minicamp. Uh, they want to start

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Speaker 1: to learn the language, uh, you know, become friendly with

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Speaker 1: their teammates, you know, etcetera. So it's not the end

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Speaker 1: all be all, um. You know, during the COVID year,

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Speaker 1: we didn't even have any any spring practice and everyone

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Speaker 1: still managed. So um, I think it's it's more of

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Speaker 1: a nice to have rather than need to have. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, in a perfect role to everyone

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Speaker 1: would rather you know it, get together, you know, or

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Speaker 1: or make some of these deals sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 1: And for us, so I'll say this and work, the

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Speaker 1: quest for the perfect roster will always continue, right, Um,

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Speaker 1: it sort of doesn't even if we add some guys

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Speaker 1: now or we don't. It doesn't stop now, It doesn't

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Speaker 1: stop in training camp, you know, won't stop you know,

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Speaker 1: during the course of the season. So uh, it's something

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Speaker 1: that we're always you know, we're always on top of

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Speaker 1: you know, every every day, even during the course of

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Speaker 1: the regular season. Coming up next on this special edition

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Speaker 1: of Clay the Brown's Daily Our conversation with Matt Miller,

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Speaker 1: ESPN Draft analyst. He'll have a look at what our

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Speaker 1: draft meant, the hits and if there were any misses.

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Speaker 1: You'll listen to Cleveland Brown's Daily ESPN Cleveland, Cleveland Browns,

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Speaker 1: your Cleveland Browns. And now here's our conversation with Matt Miller,

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Speaker 1: ESPN NFL Draft analysts from May ninth. The Browns did

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Speaker 1: not have a first round pick. They traded out of

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Speaker 1: the second round. But we know this draft really includes

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson and Marii Cooper. Some of the assets were

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Speaker 1: given up to acquire those guys. But as you look

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Speaker 1: at this team, look at the roster, what do you

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Speaker 1: think overall of the job that Andrew Barry and company

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Speaker 1: did here in the NFL draft. Yeah, I think it's

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Speaker 1: very impressive. And I think, of course, my dog's gonna

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Speaker 1: barker since I start talking. I think it's this would

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Speaker 1: be this would be the time to have that happen.

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Speaker 1: That's right, right, right, doing Brown's Radio. Right, He's although

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Speaker 1: he's like a twenty pound French bulldog, it's not even

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Speaker 1: intimidating anyway. So the Browns roster, I think again, adding

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Speaker 1: Marie Cooper at in obviously Deshaun Watson was crazy. Guys.

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Speaker 1: Last summer, I remember writing that the Browns roster had

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Speaker 1: very few actual holes. And I remember a year ago,

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Speaker 1: you know, coming off a playoff birth, it was like

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Speaker 1: Baker was a long term answer. It was really a

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Speaker 1: roster that there there weren't a lot of question marks,

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Speaker 1: and I think that is even more true now, albeit

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Speaker 1: with a true franchise quarterback guy who's the last time

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Speaker 1: we saw him, it was one of the three or

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Speaker 1: four best quarterbacks in football, and that was with the

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Speaker 1: situation in Houston where he didn't have the supporting cast

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Speaker 1: that he has in Cleveland. You know, you didn't have

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Speaker 1: an Amari Cooper, we didn't have the offensive line that

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Speaker 1: the Cleveland has, so definitely not the run game. So

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Speaker 1: I think you're be excited about that. So when you

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Speaker 1: factor that in and you go into the draft, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm taking until the third round, but I feel like

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Speaker 1: they walked away with guys who can contribute right away

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Speaker 1: at positions of need. You know, Martin Emerson kids could

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Speaker 1: potentially work into that mix opposite Denzel Ward. You know

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Speaker 1: where we haven't quite seen guys greedy Williams take that

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Speaker 1: step that we thought they might come out of college.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if Martin Emerson ends up that

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Speaker 1: other starting corner. I think you can say the same

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Speaker 1: thing for Alex Wright opposite Miles Garrett's Chase Wine, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna take that role. Is there a chance for a

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Speaker 1: guy like Clowney to come back on a on a

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Speaker 1: veteran deal. I wouldn't be surprised if we see ball

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Speaker 1: with Alex Right and Perry win Free push their way

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Speaker 1: into at least a heavy use in a rotation. Well,

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Speaker 1: let me ask you this. When they did finally pick

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Speaker 1: and they got out of the second round. When they

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Speaker 1: did pick, were you surprised that their first pick would

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Speaker 1: have been a defensive back. I wasn't. Um, maybe some

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Speaker 1: folks were. I thought it would need to be defensive

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Speaker 1: end or defensive back. That was kind of the intel

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Speaker 1: that was out there. Um So, looking at kind of

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Speaker 1: the way the board had Fallen. I truly believed at

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Speaker 1: that time Martin Emerson um other than the Kobe Dean,

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Speaker 1: he was my best player available at that time. So

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Speaker 1: the way my board kind of stacked up, it was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is a this is a good pick for them.

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Speaker 1: I think it's also a very good pick for the scheme,

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Speaker 1: you know, to have somebody who's six two ns of

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Speaker 1: pounds has great lengths. No, he didn't have on ball

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Speaker 1: production in college. He just had one pick, but you

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Speaker 1: could see, you know, pass breakups, passes, defense, that was

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Speaker 1: all there. And so opposite Denzel Ward, who's fantastic but

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Speaker 1: not the biggest guy, I think you want someone like

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Speaker 1: this who's a little more physically gifted. So you liked

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Speaker 1: Emerson a life coming out of Mississippi State. You mentioned

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Speaker 1: Alex Wright as well, out of Alabama Birmingham, big defensive end.

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Speaker 1: What did you like about him? And he's somebody that

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Speaker 1: the Browns were thrilled to get. Yeah, man, I think

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Speaker 1: the first thing you notice is the links. Like I

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Speaker 1: remember the first time I seeing him in person was

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Speaker 1: just like my goodness, you know, and he looks bigger

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Speaker 1: than two seventy you know, so it was like Okay,

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Speaker 1: is this a guy who could potentially bump inside I'll

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Speaker 1: pass down someone who you know is only gonna play outside.

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Speaker 1: But I think he has the athleticism to flash off

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Speaker 1: the edge even you know. And that link definitely shows

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Speaker 1: up on tape when you start to evaluate Him's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: let's he uses that link very well to keep blockers

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Speaker 1: off this frame. Obviously he's not been super tested coming

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Speaker 1: out of you a B. But where you have now

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Speaker 1: you kind of have the smaller, speedier guy in Winovich.

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Speaker 1: This is a contrast that you've got the longer, more

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Speaker 1: powerful guy who does have some does have some speed

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Speaker 1: you know, to bend and and you know, cross space

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Speaker 1: of offensive tackles. Um, it's just I think for Alex

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Speaker 1: it's just about probably getting a little bit stronger in

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Speaker 1: terms of his play strength and then also just you know,

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Speaker 1: learning how to put all those tools together to become

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Speaker 1: a more complete pass rusher. So, Mettum, this was a

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Speaker 1: draft going in that had incredible talent at wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: and it went off the board in a flurry in

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Speaker 1: the first round and meant some some more in the

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Speaker 1: second round. And the Browns sent up with David Bell

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Speaker 1: in the third round, What did you think of him

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Speaker 1: and what do you think he'll be as a Brown?

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Speaker 1: And I think he's a starter as a slot receiver

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Speaker 1: in my opinion. He was a tough player to evaluate

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Speaker 1: because you watched the tape over the course of his

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Speaker 1: career and you could get pretty excited about it. You

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Speaker 1: know what he does as a route runner, the way

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Speaker 1: he attacks the ball. But then obviously know you get

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Speaker 1: a four, six, five and the forty at a combine

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Speaker 1: that was historically fast. That worries you a little bit.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like, okay, is the separation gonna be there?

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Speaker 1: Is he gonna be able to run himself open like

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Speaker 1: he did at per Do. But I think he's, you know,

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Speaker 1: a fantastic catcher, you know, of the football. It just

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Speaker 1: in terms of breaking routes, slant routes, he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: good at that, you know, of almost an old school

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Speaker 1: possession receiver. I think the biggest question would just be

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Speaker 1: Canny get himself open, you know, because he has the

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Speaker 1: body control, He definitely has the post catch ability that

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Speaker 1: we saw on tape. The only reason he's available, you know,

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Speaker 1: where he's at is because of the poor forty time.

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Speaker 1: But I would not be surprised if if he learns

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Speaker 1: the playbook quickly. If we see him working there with

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Speaker 1: Amari Cooper, with Donward, people's shown to become, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the primary targets. Yeah, I think that's the hope. Clearly,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski's very excited about him. That's what they did

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Speaker 1: in the third round. You go into the fourth round

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Speaker 1: h and two picks that I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people I know internally are excited about. It. Felt like

596
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Speaker 1: got pretty good reviews. Perry and Winfree the defensive tack,

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Speaker 1: a lot of Oakhoma, who's quite a character and has

598
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Speaker 1: some serious athletic juice. And then Kade York the kicker

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Speaker 1: out of l s U. What did you think about

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Speaker 1: the way that the Browns went there in the fourth round?

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Speaker 1: You know, people will make fun of drafting a kicker,

602
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Speaker 1: but your draft, I mean it's a surefire starter, you know,

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Speaker 1: like you're getting his owner in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: fourth round is how I look at it. And especially

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Speaker 1: I tweeted this during the draft, um that a team

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Speaker 1: I spoke to they had a higher grade on Kay

607
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Speaker 1: York than they did on Evan McPherson out of Florida

608
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Speaker 1: last year who's now single. So the respect Kate York.

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Speaker 1: I don't spend a lot of time scoutting kickers. I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna lie. I have some people I talked to

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Speaker 1: who know what they're looking at and say, hey, what

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Speaker 1: do you think is And folks thought, he's you know,

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Speaker 1: really really good. Um. So I liked that pick Perry Winfrey.

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Speaker 1: I think the key is like you have to almost

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Speaker 1: teach him to control his aggression a little bit, which

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Speaker 1: is that you'd rather have. I think you'd rather have

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Speaker 1: a guy that you have to tell the slow down,

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Speaker 1: then I have a guy that you have to tell

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Speaker 1: the speed up. So I like that from him. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's he's disruptive in the Big twelve. You know his

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Speaker 1: his past rush win rate was fantastic. The athleticism is there.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a player who definitely could be a

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Speaker 1: better pro than he was collegiate, even because the tools

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Speaker 1: are all there. I think it's just getting someone to

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Speaker 1: rein him in a little bit. You know, is it

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Speaker 1: an amazing Matt? We go through all of these pics, okay,

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Speaker 1: and the Browns ended up with nine guys coming in

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Speaker 1: and you just touched on it, and we've talked about

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Speaker 1: it before here on the show. The kicker will be

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Speaker 1: the most immediate impact. I mean, it's opening day and

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Speaker 1: you're in a tight game, and you're gonna be looking

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Speaker 1: at Cade York going out there to try and win

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Speaker 1: a game. Now, he either does it or he becomes

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Speaker 1: public enemy number one pretty quickly, you know, in Cleveland

635
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Speaker 1: or in any other town. But it is amazing how

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Speaker 1: this kid will become an immediate important part of the

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Speaker 1: puzzle for the Browns every Sunday afternoon. Yeah. And the

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Speaker 1: weird thing or not weird thing, the good thing about

639
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Speaker 1: Cade York is he's also punted. He's been the kickoff

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Speaker 1: guy at L s U and I believe he holds

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Speaker 1: the record for fifty yard big goals at L. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So also, like obviously going from Baton Rouster Cleveland a

643
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Speaker 1: little bit different environment, different elements that you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to do it. But I would be encouraged by someone

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Speaker 1: who has the strength, the accuracy, and you know, the

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Speaker 1: versatility even of like hey, if we need we need this,

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Speaker 1: got a punt and a pinch, he can do it

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Speaker 1: and do it at a high level. Man. I was

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Speaker 1: reading the one that you did with Jordan Reed where

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Speaker 1: he kind of went through your favorite picks of all

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Speaker 1: the different rounds. And I know that Isaiah Thomas, who

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Speaker 1: the Browns got and the seventh Perry and Winfree's teammate

653
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Speaker 1: out of Oklahoma on that line, was one that you liked.

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Speaker 1: What what are we getting in him? Other than obviously

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Speaker 1: a tremendous name named after the great Detroit Piston, what

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Speaker 1: are we getting in him as a player? And he's

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Speaker 1: somebody do you that you think because it's different here now,

658
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: these fifth, six, seventh rounders are not locks to make

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Speaker 1: a football team with the Cleveland Browns anymore like they

660
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Speaker 1: used to be. But Thomas seems to be a guy

661
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: who stands out to you is what does he bring

662
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: the table? Yeah, I think poleticism at the past searcher spot,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of like we talked about Alex Right

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Speaker 1: as a player who maybe would have been called the

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Speaker 1: tweener in the past. I think Isaiah Thomas, it's more

666
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Speaker 1: of your pure speed rusher. You know, he's he's got

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Speaker 1: all the bursts that you need to to beat people

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Speaker 1: off the snap us his hands. Well, um, and also

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Speaker 1: I'm a Texas fan, so I had to watch this

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Speaker 1: guy just kill us. He's so good at getting his

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Speaker 1: hands up and either taking away passing windows or batting

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Speaker 1: the ball down. But he's just he shows that kind

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Speaker 1: of you know football I q of, Okay, I can't

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Speaker 1: get to the quarterback, but I'm gonna make his life

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Speaker 1: hell at the line of scrimmage anyway, you know. So

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Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite things. I could not believe

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Speaker 1: he was available in the seventh round. I thought for

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Speaker 1: sure he would be, you know, a fifth round pick

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Speaker 1: at worst. So it's just it's fantastic value. You know.

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have to get a little bit

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Speaker 1: better against the run, but like, okay, I'll take that

682
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Speaker 1: in the seventh round. Let's just let him put his

683
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Speaker 1: gears back and and be you know, a depth piece

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Speaker 1: at defensive end. Matt. What about the running back, the

685
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 1: Browns guy on a Cincinnati the kid Ford comes in here.

686
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Speaker 1: He had played at Alabama, He went to Alabama that

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Speaker 1: he ended up at Cincinnati. Boy, Cincinnati had a lot

688
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: of kids drafted. They were they were legit in this draft.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. This guy comes to a

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Speaker 1: team that's got Nick Chubb, They've got Kareem Hunt, they've

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Speaker 1: got de Ernest Johnson, um, what what can we look

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Speaker 1: for from him? Yeah, I was surprised that they used

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Speaker 1: to draft pick on running back. Actually, that was really

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Speaker 1: the only move they made where I was like, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: what's is there more to the story here that No?

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Speaker 1: But I think with your own fod he's a great

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Speaker 1: receiver out of the back So he does bring a

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Speaker 1: skill set that's a little different. I think you know

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Speaker 1: Nick and Kareem if you just ask them to line

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Speaker 1: up and run, you're not be like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: they're super fast. Now they do run away from people,

702
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Speaker 1: but you know they're they're time speed, especially Cream Hunt

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Speaker 1: time speed maybe not as impressive. So I think with

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Speaker 1: drom Board, you're getting more of like a slasher who

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Speaker 1: can also be a really good receiver out of the backfield.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's what I'm seeing. And also, you know

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Speaker 1: a guy who's going to be faster than the four

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Speaker 1: fives that are that were you know, round by Nick

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Speaker 1: Chob and Cream Hunt. So I think it is more

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Speaker 1: of that, more of a diversity in the backfield. He

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Speaker 1: is different. You know, if they had drafted someone that

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Speaker 1: was more similar to Cream Hunt and Nick Cheb I

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Speaker 1: think that you'd price scratch your head even more. But man,

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Speaker 1: he's good as a receiver. I know there were teams

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Speaker 1: that even thought if he worked at it, he could

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Speaker 1: probably be a slot receiver if you if you wanted

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Speaker 1: to be so, I would say, he's your you know,

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Speaker 1: third down option that can spell the other running backs

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Speaker 1: and be that receiver out of the backfield. Matt. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate time talk with Matt Miller. ESPN. NFL draft analysts

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Speaker 1: will leave you with this one. What was your favorite

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Speaker 1: pick that was made by Andrew Barry in this draft? Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I think it was probably Perry and Winfrey just because

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Speaker 1: he has the potential to be a very impactful three

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Speaker 1: technique and especially like we're talking about, like you has

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Speaker 1: mentioned a team that didn't pick until the you know,

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Speaker 1: early hundreds, um so, or excuse me that the late sixties, yeah,

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Speaker 1: um so to get I think players that no rookie starters.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Cade York the guys who have developmental

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Speaker 1: traits and Harry Winfrey does. He to me, he does

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Speaker 1: have the three technique quickness. As I said, it's just

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Speaker 1: about getting him dialed down a little bit, which I'll

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Speaker 1: take any day of the week. Coming up next to

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Speaker 1: the special edition of Cleveland Browns Daily, our conversation with

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Speaker 1: Seth wald Er of ESPN, his power rankings we put

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Speaker 1: under the microscope. You're listening to Cleveland Brown's Daily on

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Speaker 1: a fifty ESPN Cleveland, Cleveland Brown's Daily on ESPN, Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back into the special edition of Cleveland Brown's Daily

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Speaker 1: and now our conversation with Seth wald Er of ESPN,

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Speaker 1: his power rankings under our microscope. Seth, let's go through this.

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Speaker 1: Let's start here before we get into where we are

742
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Speaker 1: and all of it. Give the folks out there what this,

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Speaker 1: how you come up with it, what goes into it,

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00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: the process behind it? Yeah? Sure, and this is this

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00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: has changed. We have a new process this year. So

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Speaker 1: how me to talk about that? The Football Power Index.

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00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: The idea is to predictively rank team strength for all

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Speaker 1: thirty two teams in the NFL and then use that

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Speaker 1: to form the basis of projections where we simulate out

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Speaker 1: the season, you know, ten thousand times and determine the

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Speaker 1: probabilities of each team you know, winning their division, winning

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, average number of wins, the in the preseason.

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Speaker 1: The way this works is we use a variety of

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Speaker 1: factors to determine how good each seements. So we look

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Speaker 1: at past performance by that you know, by that team.

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Speaker 1: We look at the individual players that are that are

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Speaker 1: on the team. We use several different rating systems there

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Speaker 1: to assess the quality of their non quarterbacks. We have

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Speaker 1: a specific quarterback predictive model, so we're looking at their

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Speaker 1: past uh expected points at it for play, and we're

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Speaker 1: using that to determine how good we think that they

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Speaker 1: are all together. And then there's a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a coach factor if you're maintaining your coach or or

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Speaker 1: you know, going through a coaching change, that can affect

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Speaker 1: things too. So put that all together and that is

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Speaker 1: what gives us these these strength ratings. And then as

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Speaker 1: we go through the season, it updates every week is

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Speaker 1: you know, new piece of information, how did you play,

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Speaker 1: did you beat expectations? Who did you play against? And

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Speaker 1: and how efficient were you? And that's how the ratings

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Speaker 1: and projections move throughout the year. Alright, so let's start

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Speaker 1: with the Browns. What do you see for the Browns

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Speaker 1: here in so we have the Browns as the tenth

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Speaker 1: best team, and I want to talk about their rating

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Speaker 1: because it's obviously a unique situation I think we have. Uh,

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00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: no one knows exactly what we're talking about a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and that drives so much of how good we think

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Speaker 1: a team is. So how the model, how the model

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Speaker 1: sees it, and then you know, we can adjust how

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Speaker 1: we think it gives the Browns a full season of

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson um, and it puts them at tenth and doing.

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Speaker 1: You know, however, I will say that one of the

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Speaker 1: things that goes into our predictive quarterback model, Uh, it

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Speaker 1: looks at it if you didn't play last season, it

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Speaker 1: assumes that something has gone very poorly for you, either

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Speaker 1: you have been hurt all year or you were not

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Speaker 1: good enough to get on the field. Now, Deshaun Watson's

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Speaker 1: in a is in a kind of different category, right

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00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: and still has twenty two civil lawsuits you know of

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Speaker 1: women accusing him of inappropriate sexual conduct during massages, and

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00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: that might that might affect his suspension. Uh. And so

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Speaker 1: we're assuming a sort of like depressed level of Deshaun

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Speaker 1: Watson's skill, but for um, but for a full a

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Speaker 1: full season, I'm not gonna like seventeen games, because anyone

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00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: can get hurt. So what's what's the truth? I don't,

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00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: you know, I don't it's hard to know. Maybe a

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00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: better Watson, but fewer games played might and get you too,

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00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: roughly the same conclusion. But that is how we come

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Speaker 1: to that number. That's sort of the way the model

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Speaker 1: is handling that situation. When you take so you have

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Speaker 1: the Browns is the tenth best team. When you go

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Speaker 1: and look at now the model, you play it out,

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Speaker 1: where are the Browns finish in terms of record, and

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Speaker 1: how does that rank amongst the league. So they're obviously

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Speaker 1: in a very competitive division. We put them at nine

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Speaker 1: point six wins on average, the sort of mean outcome,

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Speaker 1: and we give them the best chance to win the division.

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Speaker 1: So it's a it's a there are a very narrow favorite.

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Speaker 1: It makes sense. I mean, look, I think Cleveland. You

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Speaker 1: look at the rest of the roster and there's obviously

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Speaker 1: obviously a lot of pieces to like. I mean, I

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00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: think you know that offensive line will support whosever is

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Speaker 1: that quarterback? You have some stars on defense, so it's

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Speaker 1: easy to see I think why Cleveland, God strength, It's

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Speaker 1: just so so much depends on the quarterback, But yes,

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Speaker 1: thirty chance to win the division, a very narrow favorite

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Speaker 1: over Baltimore and Cincinnati with Pittsburgh way back there. Um,

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Speaker 1: and then we're got a fifty seven percent chance to

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs overall. When you went through this, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're able to isolate, but we've

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Speaker 1: talked about looking obviously what the Broncos, it's Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: is the factor. Davante Adams goes from the Packers to

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Speaker 1: the Raiders, Tyreek Kill goes to the Dolphins, Deshaun Watson

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Speaker 1: obviously comes to the Browns. Who was the biggest needle mover,

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Speaker 1: maybe in a positive way, and and and from a

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Speaker 1: non quarterback perspective, who was the biggest needle mover maybe

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Speaker 1: in a negative way that hurt its its former team

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Speaker 1: the most. Oh, that's a great question. So I think

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Speaker 1: in the biggest mover in a positive way, like, it

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Speaker 1: has to be Russell Wilson. Um, we're talking about just

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Speaker 1: a huge upgrade from Drew lock to Wilson. I can't

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Speaker 1: see how that's not. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna vamp while I try and guess here I

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Speaker 1: don't have I don't know, like a specific perfect way

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Speaker 1: to do this, but I think the answer is going

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Speaker 1: to be Adams that, yeah, you know, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: non quarterback movie because the other fact is, like if

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00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: you said also like hurting their team, right, and so

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Speaker 1: the Packers, I mean when we're like what's left there

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Speaker 1: in Green Bay at wide receiver and wide receiver probably

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Speaker 1: being the most likely, non most important non quarterback position.

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Speaker 1: I mean, to leave a group with Randall Cobb and

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Speaker 1: Alan Lazard and Christian Watson down from Davante Adams at

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Speaker 1: wide receiver one, like, that's just a huge drop off.

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot to like about Queen Day. I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're still a two there, and I think

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Speaker 1: part of that's because you're getting they were really good

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Speaker 1: last year without Buck Tiari and without year Alasnander, without

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Speaker 1: Elton Jenkins for a long time, and they're getting those

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Speaker 1: guys back. So there's reason to be optimistic about Queen Day.

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Speaker 1: But I think that was I mean, there's no question

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Speaker 1: that was that was really costly to the offense. Coming

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Speaker 1: Brugler from the bp A crew breaking down our two

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Speaker 1: thousand and twenty two Browns Draft class. The Great Dane

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Speaker 1: Brugler joins us, and congratulations again, my friend on a

874
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: successful year. Uh, it was a crazy draft, one I

875
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: think that none of us saw coming uh from Vegas,

876
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: and rightfully so that it was in Vegas to be

877
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: that crazy. Yeah, it was definitely crazy and uh eventful,

878
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: and you know, there's so many question marks going into

879
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: the draft, and uh, you know, it's fun to see

880
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: it all play out. And that's the best part of

881
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: to me the draft is when it's over, we don't

882
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: have to talk about how guys would fit or you know,

883
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: these educated guesses. We could just talk about the fits

884
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: and Okay, this is who the Browns drafted, this is

885
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 1: how they fit, this is the thought process. And because really,

886
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: because we tried to NFL games always evolving, right, and

887
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: so the best way to stay on top of that

888
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: is to follow up all the money and follow the

889
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: draft picks. Howard teams spending their money in free agency

890
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: in terms of, uh, you know, the best fits on

891
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: their team, the highest paid position and that type of thing,

892
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: and then where did they allocate the resources on on

893
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: draft weekend? The draft capital. So there's a lot to

894
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: learn from this weekend, not just now, but as we

895
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: go forward. Concerning the Browns, I imagine that it didn't

896
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: surprise you that the Browns traded back on the second round.

897
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have that vibe. But

898
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: how much did it surprise you that the first pick

899
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: was a cornerback. Yeah, definitely a surprise. And I mean

900
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. I think that Andrew Berry uh and

901
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: not interested in picking where he's supposed to in the

902
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: second round. Just uh, it's not it's not for him. Uh.

903
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: And you know, hey, that's that's great with the extra

904
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: draft capital they were able to pick up, and uh,

905
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, I think it it very much aligned with

906
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: what we thought the Browns would do. Um. But in

907
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: terms in terms of the movement, but drafting a corner

908
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: that was a little surprising. Um. And then obviously the

909
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: Troy Hill transaction that maybe brought some more uh you know,

910
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 1: thought or understanding to the thought process there. And Martin Emmerson,

911
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, he's a he's a player that I had

912
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: ranked as a more of a you know, fourth round pick. Uh.

913
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: So they took him in a third round and we'll

914
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: see how that plays out. And you know, he's a

915
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: good player. I mean, you love the size and I

916
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 1: think when you look at this division and you think about,

917
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: all right, I gotta go u against Chase Clay, Well,

918
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: you gotta go up against Jamar Chase tee Higgins. Uh

919
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: you know some of these receivers that we have in

920
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: a division. All right, Well, it's you can never have

921
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: too much depth at cornerback. And it'll be interesting now

922
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: to see, Okay, Gregory news So I'm gonna move inside.

923
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: How the inside outside alignments now will be interesting how

924
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: they work with these corners. But uh, you know, it's

925
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: never a bad idea to go with a premium position

926
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Speaker 1: with your first pick in the draft, whether that's on

927
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: the offensive line, whether it's a pass rusher, a wide receiver,

928
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: or a cornerback. So you can understand the thought process

929
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: from that perspective. Talking with Dan Brugler from The Athletic

930
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: breaking down the Browns two draft class, Martin Numberson. Obviously

931
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: in the third round we have three picks in the

932
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: third round. It pick h the Browns taking a guy

933
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: I know that you were high on in your draft guide,

934
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: the Beast and who we've talked about a few times,

935
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: Alex right, the edge rusher from you A b Uh,

936
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: why do you like him. Why do you think he's

937
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: such a good fit for this football team? Yeah, you know,

938
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: And I actually had him much higher, uh in my

939
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: UH top one hundred update back in March UM. But

940
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: then he got hurt and it was like, Okay, you're

941
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: not really gonna be able to work out at full

942
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: full speed, and so we're there's some data we're missing there.

943
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: So I knocked a bound a little bit, but I thought,

944
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, and actually my mock draft after the first round,

945
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: I did a second and third round mock draft. I

946
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: had the Brown Steak and Alex right in the third round.

947
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: I thought a lot of what he does, a lot

948
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: of what you know, the traits, the age, just the

949
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: potential with with Eric right, I think it fit with

950
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: what this team could be looking for. Six five, two

951
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: or seventy pounds. Uh. You love the length, you love

952
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 1: everything about the projectable body, and you know he's continuing

953
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: to grow. I mean, he is a young player, basketball background,

954
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: and then you look at the tape and you this

955
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: guy that could bend the edge. You see a guy

956
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: that can win with power when he uses that length

957
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: the speed to power. Um. But there's all these different

958
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: ways that he can win he's just figuring it out still,

959
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, understanding how to unlock all of that ability.

960
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: So he had seven sacks this past year lead the team,

961
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: but I think a lot of those seven sacks were

962
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: just based off of him, uh you know, throwing the

963
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: kitchen sink out there and seeing what happened. So I

964
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: think as he continues to mature and you know, understand

965
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: how to use all these gifts that he has, he's

966
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: going to develop into a much better pass rusher. So

967
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: this is a, uh a, an investment, you know, where

968
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna be rotational player as a rookie, and then

969
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: going into the year two, we'll kind of see where

970
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: he's at in his development. But I think this guy

971
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: has a He's a future starter in this league. I

972
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: have no doubt about that. You know, a lot of

973
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 1: was made before the draft about David Bell's testing numbers

974
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: and how those maybe we're gonna hurt his stock. He

975
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: ends uphone to the third round even though he's a

976
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: first team All American. What do you like about his

977
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: game and what do you think about the relationship of

978
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: his combine testing numbers to how he had plays. Yeah,

979
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: I think that after the Pro Day people really soured

980
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: on him because he had that four seven one. But

981
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: I mean, we are already kind of knocked him down

982
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: a peg because of he doesn't have that elite explosiveness,

983
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: that elite speed. So I don't I don't know why

984
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: we were knocking him down again. You know, after the

985
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: Pro Day, we we already know he's not a burner.

986
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: That's not his game. It's not how he wins um

987
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: So I thought people were misguided and doing that. But

988
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: you know, talking to a scout that was at the

989
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: Pro day, uh watching that, I mean, he said, yeah,

990
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: his his forty wasn't great, but he said it was

991
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: a great day for him because of how he performed

992
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: in the positional drills, catching the football, running routes. He said,

993
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: he blew everybody away there that was at the Produce

994
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: Pro Day. And when it all comes down to it,

995
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: that's what we're drafting these guys. Four. It's not who's

996
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: gonna win in a race, it's who's gonna go make plays.

997
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: And that's what David Bell is. He's a ball winner

998
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 1: and he from the moment he showed up at at Purdue,

999
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: he was a thousand yard receiver as a troop freshman

1000
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: the last three years. Super productive. Uh, you know, six

1001
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: on two ten again. Not a guy that's just gonna,

1002
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, run past defensive backs in the NFL. But

1003
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: you love the toughness, you love the body control, really

1004
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: really savvy in terms of creating space for himself, working

1005
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: to open zones. And then the ball skills are near

1006
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: elite for a prospect. The it's really hard to find

1007
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: drops on his tape. Um so really productive and like

1008
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: I said, a ball winner. And when it comes down

1009
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: to it, when you're looking for a receiver, it's you

1010
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: you want to bet on ball winners, especially when we

1011
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,479
Speaker 1: talk about what it costs. Uh. He was my ninety

1012
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: overall player in the draft, and I think he went

1013
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: at ninety nine, so I mean right around the range

1014
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: where I thought he'd go. Moving on to day three,

1015
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: as we talked with Dame Bruger here on the best

1016
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: podcast available, Uh, the Browns with three picks in the

1017
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: fourth round, they traded one of those picks. First pick

1018
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: in the fourth round came and pick one oh eight,

1019
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: and Uh, a guy that you can hear coming. You know,

1020
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: he's around, he's loud, he's proud. Perry and Winfrey from

1021
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: lahoma at the defensive tackle spot. Here's a guy that

1022
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 1: some mocks had him in the in the second round,

1023
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: essentially dropped fifty sixty spots. But I know Andrew Griggle

1024
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: mentioned that, uh in the podcast a couple of weeks ago.

1025
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: But the defensive tackle class dropped alive. Yeah, Travis Jones

1026
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: out of the third round. Uh. Yeah, the defensive tackles.

1027
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: It was just not a great year for defensive tackles.

1028
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: But still it was surprised that Winfrey fell to the

1029
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: fourth round. I think, uh, you know, the main reason

1030
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: is you just you have to worry about him a

1031
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: little bit. A run defender needs to be more consistent.

1032
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, this guy is intimidating almost

1033
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: six four two or ninety pounds thirty five and a

1034
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: quarter in arms, and he is Uh he could be

1035
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 1: a violent player. I mean he can win with quickness,

1036
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: he can win with power. Uh. He's a bull in

1037
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: the china shop, he really is with the way he plays. Uh.

1038
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: And so there's a lot of ability there. And it

1039
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: now looks up to the coaches. We talked so much

1040
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: about the value Euaian side of things. Now it's up

1041
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: to the development and that's where the coaches come in.

1042
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: And this is where you have to rely on the

1043
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 1: coaches to get all that talent out of him, because

1044
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: he is a very unique player with the package of traits. Um,

1045
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: he just needs to be more consistent in all facets

1046
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: of playing the position. So as a rookie, I think

1047
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: the outlook that you're looking at is, uh, a guy's

1048
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 1: gonna come in and be that one gap penetrator which

1049
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: this team needed on the defensive line. So he's gonna

1050
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: be expected to go out there as a rookie and uh,

1051
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, make some things happen. Uh, you know, make

1052
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: plays in the backfield, which you know, I think we

1053
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: know he has a capability of doing. It's just he

1054
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: needs to be a little more consistent. Um. But I

1055
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: just you know, go back to the Senior Bowl. This

1056
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: guy was unblockable. I mean he was the m v

1057
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: P of the game. He was the m v P

1058
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: of the week. Uh, nobody wanted to face Perry On Winfrey.

1059
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: And so that the talent, the ability, it's there. Now

1060
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: it's up to the coaches to get it all out

1061
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: of him. It's pretty hard to get a guaranteed Day

1062
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: one starter in day three. But I think the Browns

1063
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: did that with Kate Work with the fourth round pick,

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00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: did it one? Did it surprise you that no other

1065
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: kickers were taken after him or is that just a

1066
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: reflection of maybe how he's viewed league wide as by

1067
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: far the best kicker in this draft. Yeah? Both. Yeah.

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00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised we didn't see a kicker

1069
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: later on, but I think it was clear Cage York

1070
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: was the top kicker this year. Um, And that's why

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00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: the Browns took in the fourth right. I mean, they

1072
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: didn't want to even risk him falling to the fifth

1073
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: or the sixth um and try to, you know, get

1074
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: him around later. They got him where they felt comfortable

1075
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: they needed to get him because they knew Cage York

1076
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: was their guy, and so I have no problems with

1077
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: him going in the direction of the fourth round, uh,

1078
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: cade York. I think it hits a lot of check

1079
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: marks with what you're looking for when you look drafting

1080
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: a kicker. You want a guy it's repeatable. You know,

1081
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: you look at the mechanics, you look at the way

1082
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: he works. It's very repeatable. It's the same thing every time.

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00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: You want the guy with a confident mentality, and of

1084
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: course you want a guy with some some leg power.

1085
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 1: And I think he hits all those hits all those boxes.

1086
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: So you know, after Evan McPherson, uh, last year, you know,

1087
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: a lot of was made about, oh, a rookie kicker,

1088
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: rookie kicker. It'll be interesting now, Uh you see what

1089
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: cage York can do as a rookie. Two years ago,

1090
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: that's when cage York first came out my radar, when

1091
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: L s U and Florida matched up and it was

1092
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: a Marco Wilson game through throw the spike game, uh,

1093
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: throw the shoe, and but it was cage York who

1094
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: had the last laugh and at the game winning uh

1095
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: field goal uh to to win, to win that game. Uh.

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00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: And so you know, he's a he's a good player,

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00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm a little surprised he went as

1098
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: early as he did. But I certainly understand that Brown's

1099
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: thinking that we can't risk this guy falling anymore and

1100
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: us missing out on a skicker, because I think that

1101
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 1: tells us the gap between cage York and everybody else

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00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: in this class. So the Browns trade one of their

1103
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: four round picks from Saturday. They get a fifth this year.

1104
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: They also get a fifth round next year, so some

1105
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: good value here. And in the fifth round, the Browns,

1106
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: who did not have a fifth round pick, they go.

1107
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: They go running back in a running back heavy room man,

1108
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: but still continuing to build that depth just in case.

1109
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: And it comes in the form of Jerome Ford, running

1110
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: back out of Cincinnati, who has some plays and can

1111
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,959
Speaker 1: make some plays. Yeah. I mean, you want to create

1112
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 1: competition in the room, and there's plenty of competition already,

1113
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: but you you had a droom forward to that mixed

1114
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: and you know, I think that that makes things really interesting. Uh.

1115
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: You really like the athlete that he is two and

1116
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: ten pounds, uh, outstanding straight line speed, really good footwork. Uh,

1117
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: he moves to a laterally. Uh. He makes it really

1118
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,720
Speaker 1: tough on defenders in space because he has that plant

1119
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: and go burst um. And so that's something that really

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00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: stands out with Jerom Ford. Now, you know with the

1121
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: the vision, the pacing, uh, some of the patients. I

1122
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: think he needs to be more consistent there. But you

1123
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: know it's something that uh, you know, he's a creator.

1124
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: I mean it's something that he has athleticism and do it.

1125
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: He just needs to be a little more consistent with

1126
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: some of the ancillary things. So this is I think

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00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: the way I described him is, you know, he's gonna

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00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: add a punch to an NFL team's depth chart because

1129
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: of that athleticism. And I think that's exactly what he

1130
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: can do for this running back room. And so it's

1131
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting, interesting to see how things shake out

1132
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: in training camp with all the running backs on the

1133
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: roster right now. And it won't make you go individual

1134
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: on all the three last picks here, but I'll just

1135
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: ask of the three guys Michael Woods, Isaiah Thomas, Dawson Deaton,

1136
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: when you look at this them and you look at

1137
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 1: the Browns roster, which of the three has, in your opinion,

1138
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: the best chance of making the team and making an

1139
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: impact as a rokie potentially? I think it's Isaiah Thomas

1140
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: clearly for me. A team that you know, we know

1141
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: they want to get better on the defensive line, Uh,

1142
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: we know they like to use, you know, rotate guys

1143
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: in and out. And a guy like Isaiah Thomas, he

1144
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: to me, he makes sense as that rotational defensive lineman.

1145
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: Can play inside, can play outside. Uh, you know he's

1146
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: gonna be that base end. But you want to kick

1147
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: him inside on passing downs, he could do that, and

1148
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna give you some push because that's

1149
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: what you like about Thomas is the heavy hands, Uh,

1150
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: the length, and his ability to create movement at the

1151
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: point of attack, and so consistently he did that at Oklahoma.

1152
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 1: We think about, uh, you know, all the Oklahoma players

1153
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: on that defensive line, Perry On Winfrey, Nick Beneto, Isaiah

1154
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: Thomas is the guy that led the Sooners in sacks

1155
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: last year. So he is a guy that can get

1156
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: to the backfield and he can create disruption, make things happen. Uh.

1157
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: He tested a lot better than I thought, uh what

1158
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: we saw on tape. So I like, I don't think

1159
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: he's a guy that's gonna win with pure speed and

1160
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: bend the corner. Not that type of rusher. But again,

1161
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: the heavy hands and the ability to put blockers in reverse,

1162
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: that's what he can do. And so depth inside, outside

1163
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: on the defensive line. He's gonna get it to your

1164
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: right away. As a rookie. Dan taking a look at

1165
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: this Brown's draft class, who do you think makes the

1166
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: biggest impact on this roster here in two not necessarily

1167
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: down the road, but which one of these guys you

1168
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: think is set up to make the biggest impact. I'll

1169
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: say David Bell because I think he's ready made. Um.

1170
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: You know, I think with uh, you know, like a

1171
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: guy like like Emerson, I think we're gonna see out

1172
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: there and and make plenty of plays. Um, But I

1173
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: think the parts of his game where he's still developing. Uh.

1174
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 1: Same thing with Alex Tright. You know, we talked talked

1175
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: about him being more of a an investment, you know,

1176
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: someone that's going to develop over time. Uh. And the

1177
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: same thing with Winfrey. Uh, he's We're going to see

1178
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: him on the field, but development and being more consistent

1179
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: is important for him. David Bell, the only reason why

1180
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: he was a third rounder and that a first rounder

1181
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: is he's just missing that explosive speed. But he's a

1182
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: guy that understands the position. He understands how to get open,

1183
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: he understands how to work himself to open spots, and

1184
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: he's always available. I mean, he understands where he needs

1185
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: to be and he can develop that quick chemistry with

1186
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: with the quarterback. So this is a team that has

1187
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: invested a lot in the quarterback position. Even though you

1188
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: know Nick Chubb Kareem Hunt. That running back room that

1189
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: we talked about. The running games can be a huge

1190
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: part of this team, but what they can do in

1191
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: the passing game. With the guy like David Bell, who's

1192
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: gonna be an immediate contributor, I think he's gonna be

1193
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: talking about just year one. I think David Bell should

1194
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: not be surprising if he ends up being the top

1195
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: rookie for the Browns this season. Coming up next to

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Speaker 1: the special edition of Cleveland Brown's Daily, Sam Monson drops

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Speaker 1: by a Pro Football Focus his view on where our

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Speaker 1: you're familiar with the movie Hoosiers, when Norman Dale says

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Speaker 1: my team is on the court, it kind of feel

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Speaker 1: like our team is on the field now with the

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Speaker 1: signing of Jadeveon Clowney. And as you look at everything

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Speaker 1: that Andrew Berry has done this offseason, what do you

1214
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: make of it? Yeah, I think it's been a pretty

1215
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: good off season for Cleveland generally. Obviously, everything hinges on

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00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: the big move they made for Deshaun Watson and and

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00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: everything that that entails, and really that that is the

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Speaker 1: single biggest statement move that this franchise has made since

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00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: I guess drafting Baker Mayfield number one overall. Um. So,

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00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: right now we don't really know what Deshaun Watson status

1221
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: is going to be with the NFL getting somewhere towards

1222
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: wrapping up their investigation of the whole thing. But Deshaun

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Speaker 1: Watson on the field I think is a massive upgrade

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00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,919
Speaker 1: for this Cleveland team. Um. And this was a team

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00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: that was almost in playoff contention last year even with

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00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: a Baker Mayfield playing through a badly injured shoulder all

1227
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Speaker 1: season long. So if they get that kind of upgrade

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00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,919
Speaker 1: on the field at the most important position in the game.

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Speaker 1: Then this is a roster that's well capable of contending.

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Speaker 1: And one of the reasons this roster is capable of contending,

1231
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: we know the great running back is a great offensive line,

1232
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: Marie Cooper is now here, but a lot of talent

1233
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: on this defense. And the bringing back of ja Devion

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01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: Clown to pair with Myles Garrett with what's going on

1235
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Speaker 1: on the back end of this d what do you

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01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: make of getting Clowny back? How important was that in

1237
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: your mind? And how good can this defense be now

1238
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: going into this season? Yeah, I think it's a pretty

1239
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: important move. You need some kind of foil opposite Miles

1240
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: Garrett or alongside him, or just some other threat on

1241
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: that defensive line so the teams cannot take him away

1242
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: by dedicating all their resources to Miles Garrett and Miles

1243
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,959
Speaker 1: Garrett only you know, we saw last season the clown.

1244
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 1: He is capable of having those games where he left

1245
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: with a favorable matchup and he dominates and he plays

1246
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: extremely well. He's never been able to sustain it for

1247
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: you know, the full season and never earned that giant

1248
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: contract extension that he's looking for. But from the Brown's perspective,

1249
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: they need a guy that can take advantage of those

1250
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: one on ones, and you probably couldn't trust a guy

1251
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: like Alex Write the rookie to come in there and

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01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: do that and imediately, though I do like his kind

1253
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: of long term potential of emerging into being that guy.

1254
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,959
Speaker 1: So I think getting Clowney Bank makes that defensive line

1255
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: a different proposition for opposing offense that to have to

1256
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: deal with, and makes them formidable enough that they're going

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01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: to be a factor in most games. With Miles Garrett

1258
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: obviously doing the bulk of the heavy lifting, and Sam

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01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: also the you know, getting Denzel Ward locked up long

1260
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: term and Greg Knews what we saw from him. I know,

1261
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: the organizations, organizations thinks a lot of greedy Williams going

1262
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,439
Speaker 1: in to his third season. Ronnie harrison come back wasn't

1263
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: the season maybe everybody expected from him, but he's still back.

1264
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: So that backside of that defense, back end of that defense.

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Speaker 1: Then j ok who boy was everything we thought he

1266
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Speaker 1: could be. There's a potential here, isn't there for for

1267
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Speaker 1: this defense to be pretty special? Yeah, definitely. I think

1268
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: they really attack that secondary last offseason and they're kind

1269
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: of reaping the rewards of that. Right now, They've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of quality players there, and you know, almost

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Speaker 1: too many players is for the number of snaps you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have, And I think it's part of the reason

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01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: why they were willing to trade away Troy Hill after

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01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: acquiring him. Um. But yeah, that that's a really talented

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01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: group in coverage, which is the most important aspect of

1276
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, modern defense. So that group could absolutely change

1277
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: the way teams attacked the defense. And I really put

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01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: some of the focus back on that defensive line and

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01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: put them in some really good situations by buying them

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Speaker 1: some coverage sacks and some coverage pressure. Sam. When you

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01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: flip it around to the offense where Deshaun Watson, you

1282
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: go and you look at the offensive lines he played

1283
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: behind in Houston, he has never played behind the line

1284
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: as good as that of the Cleveland Browns. And that's

1285
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: even with Nick Harris stepping in for j. C. Treader,

1286
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: who has been a stud and I think one of

1287
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: the more underrated and underappreciated players in the NFL, certainly

1288
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: at his position. How what can you expect that to

1289
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: do for a guy like de Sean and for this

1290
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: offense to have that great offensive line in front of him. Yeah,

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01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: it should be huge. I mean we've been preaching at

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01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: PFF for a long time that you don't need an

1293
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: an elite offensive line. Um, you don't need the best

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01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: offensive line in the NFL. You just need to get

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01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: a serviceable group, a group of five average starters and

1296
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: you're in a good place. But it never does you

1297
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: harm to have an elite offensive line. It makes everything

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01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: else easier. Obviously, it makes running the ball easy, and

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01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: that's why with the talent that the Cleveland has in

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01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: the backfield, they should have a really powerful running game

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01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: as well. But it also makes everybody else of the

1302
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: life easier. From a passing game standpoint, the quarterback is

1303
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: going to have more time, the receivers have more time

1304
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: to get open. Everything just has more time and is

1305
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: able to function better. So yeah, this is a great

1306
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: situation in terms of protection for Deshaun Watson to step into.

1307
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: And we've seen him play at an extremely high level

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01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: despite not necessarily having that in the past, So from

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01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: from his perspective in terms of his potential ceiling as

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Speaker 1: a quarterback, we might not have seen the best Deshaun

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01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: Watson yet. And the last time we saw him play,

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01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: he was playing at that elite level where he was

1313
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL, even if

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01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,919
Speaker 1: his team wasn't winning games that year, right, and lud

1315
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: league and yards lud league and completion percentage. Very very

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01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,439
Speaker 1: talented quarterback. And we're talking about that line real quickly,

1317
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: and Sam, I gotta beef with you. Oh yeah, what's that?

1318
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: What's that? Tier one guards? Martin Nelson Batonio? What about Wyatt?

1319
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: The guy was the number one grade player in all

1320
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: the PFF on offense two years ago and was darned

1321
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: good again last year. What's he gotta do to be

1322
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: Tier one? He was? He needs to get a little

1323
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: bit better and a little bit more consistent in past protection.

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01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: I think his run blocking has been off the charts.

1325
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: And you know when um, when Jack Conklin was there

1326
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: alongside him, that that those two were the most potent

1327
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: double team in the NFL. I think you watched those

1328
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: guys combination block on defensive alignment and just drive those

1329
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: guys off the line of scrimmage. It was crazy to see.

1330
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: But Wyatt Keller's he's given up a little bit more

1331
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: in past protec and then the elite guys and the

1332
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: tier one guys. Um. So I think he's right on

1333
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: that cusp. And you know, certainly there's an argument that

1334
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: that he's in that first here. But I think even

1335
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: just comparing him to Joe Antonio, you know, the past

1336
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: blocking grades are not in the same kind of area,

1337
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: and he's given up to the seven sacks over the

1338
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: past couple of years, and that's it's a significant difference.

1339
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 1: All right. Of course, I knew you were gonna have

1340
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: a response. He's a great he's an elite tier to

1341
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: guard the elite tier, elite tier too. I like that.

1342
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: That's fine, Sam. We were talking. We had Donovan People's

1343
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: Jones and studio with us here about an hour ago,

1344
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: and and we we're talking about where we are a

1345
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: receiver and and conventional wisdom. A lot of people think

1346
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: that maybe the Browns need to add one more. I

1347
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: tend to think maybe they do too. But if they don't,

1348
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: I think two things that are critical are going to

1349
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: be David to Joku and Donawan People's Jones. That that

1350
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: will be the key that if if we don't go

1351
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: get somebody else, those two guys need to really develop.

1352
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: What have you seen in their young careers to maybe

1353
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: lead you to believe that they can or or that

1354
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: they can well, they're both kind of special athletes and

1355
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: special potential. Um and Joku in particular, like this was

1356
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: a guy who has all the tools to be an

1357
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: elite UH tight end in today's NFL, particularly as league

1358
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: gets ever more focused on receiving at that position and

1359
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: blocking is is a smaller part of the job than

1360
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: it once was. Like you look at in Joke who

1361
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: play and you sort of wonder, why hasn't he been

1362
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: amongst the best tight ends in the NFL. There's no

1363
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: reason when you watch him play that this guy can't

1364
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: be a Darren Waller or you know, one of those

1365
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: guys that really is at the peak of that position.

1366
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: So I think sometimes tight ends coming into today's NFL

1367
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: it's a tougher transition than it used to be, and

1368
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: I think we're seeing some of these guys take a

1369
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: few years to really get going. But I think we

1370
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: started to see flashes of that or or more consistency

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01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: um from and Joeku last year. So I'm kind of

1372
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: excited to see what he can do this season and

1373
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: maybe an upgrade at the quarterback position. Won't hurt either.

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01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: We'll give him better opportunities. But I think they have

1375
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: huge talent those two guys, and somebody like a Marii

1376
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: Cooper coming in to be the number one and to

1377
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: take real attention away from other guys in that offense,

1378
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: I think can only help players like that emerge and

1379
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: become more consistent secondary and tertiary targets for the quarterback.

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01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be very exciting. And what we're

1381
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: talking about is the Brown's ability to throw the football

1382
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: at an elite level is something that you know, frankly,

1383
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: we were not able to do last season, and so

1384
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: what you look at Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunting, even

1385
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: Derness Johnson, what they were able to do, it becomes

1386
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: more impressive because they did so against such heavy boxes.

1387
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: I think that's one thing that we're not really talking about.

1388
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: I'm curious get your take on how does the Brown's

1389
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: run game get impacted by the fact that they are

1390
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Speaker 1: going to be facing significantly lighter boxes and probably a

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Speaker 1: higher percentage of nickel defense as a base than they

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01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: did a year ago. Yeah, I think it probably starts

1393
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: off in a similar place because the offense, the scheme

1394
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: is going to be the same that generally speaking, the

1395
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: deployment will be similar, and it's going to take Deshaun

1396
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: Watson in the past game kind of earning the respect

1397
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 1: of the defense to back off, and once they're punished

1398
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: enough by a few big plays sort of some play

1399
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: action bombs over the tops and explosive plays that are

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Speaker 1: opened up by the run game and by the alignment

1401
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 1: and by the way that offense deploys, then you'll start

1402
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: to see defenses backing off and giving them more light

1403
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: boxes to run into, and that will have this you know,

1404
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: that will have this magnifying effect on what the run

1405
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: game is able to do. So I think it's it's

1406
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: a kind of cycle. It's gonna have to play its

1407
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 1: way out, but at the start of the season, it

1408
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,600
Speaker 1: will be that run game powering the success of the

1409
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: passing game. And then later on in the year, that's

1410
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 1: when I think that run game is going to start

1411
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: to reap the benefits of what it was sowing earlier

1412
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: in the season, um and and taking advantage of the

1413
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: the lighter boxes of teams are are starting to transition

1414
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 1: to I don't know if Nick chub is gonna even

1415
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: know what to do with themselves in some of these situations.

1416
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: It's gonna feel like a very foreign concept, but a

1417
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 1: great one, I think for him and obviously for the

1418
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,759
Speaker 1: brown sacked with the great Sam Monson from Pro Football Focus,

1419
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:00,719
Speaker 1: All right, Sam, I want to ask about a kicker

1420
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: really quickly, because you look at the Browns division justin

1421
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,600
Speaker 1: Tucker maybe the best to ever do it. Evan McPherson

1422
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: comes in, kicks the team basically the game winners throughout

1423
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: the playoffs and played a massive role in the Super

1424
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: Bowl run of the Bengals, and the Browns have been

1425
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 1: struggling trying to find that guy. They believe Kate York

1426
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: is the guy select them in the fourth round this year.

1427
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 1: When you guys go through this and break it down

1428
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: and take a look at these teams, how important is

1429
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Speaker 1: it to have a kicker that is reliable, that is,

1430
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: we'll call it above average, ory very good, or what's

1431
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: even a great kicker? An elite kicker? What does that

1432
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: mean for a team over the course of the seventeen

1433
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: game season, and what could Kay York potentially mean for

1434
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:40,839
Speaker 1: the Browns in that framework, Yeah, it can be massively important.

1435
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: That the issue is that the kind of data says

1436
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: that the only guy you can really really count on

1437
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:49,160
Speaker 1: being elite year after year after year is Justin Tucker,

1438
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: and everybody else kind of has elite seasons and then

1439
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: they decline, they go back down, they sort of regress

1440
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: to the norm. Um, But Justin Tucker is the one

1441
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: guy that's been able to do it consistently every single season. So,

1442
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:03,839
Speaker 1: you know, we saw last season the kind of impact

1443
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 1: that like Evan McPherson can have when he has a

1444
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: year like that, it's incredible, and he was a real

1445
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 1: big part of the Bengals winning some of those really

1446
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: important games down the stretch and into the playoffs. But

1447
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean we're going to see that guy again

1448
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 1: next year, and he might go back to just being,

1449
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,839
Speaker 1: you know, a regular kicker. The good news for Cleveland

1450
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: is kde York was one of the highest graded kickers

1451
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: in the nation last season. UM at PFF. I think

1452
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: he had the second highest field go great of any

1453
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: kicker in the country. So at least the data is

1454
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 1: there that says he is a very good kicker right

1455
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: now um and can be that guy. But yeah, it's

1456
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:43,719
Speaker 1: it's kind of bucking a trend to be a truly

1457
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 1: elite kicker year after year for anybody whose name isn't

1458
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: Justin Tucker. Coming up next to the special edition of

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01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns Daily, Matt Waldman stops by taking a look

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01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,559
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Speaker 1: And now our conversation with Matt wald to the Rookie

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01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: Scouting Portfolio from May five, taking a look back at

1467
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: our draft. Matt, First of all, how are you doing?

1468
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: Did you enjoy the draft and just kind of the

1469
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 1: wackiness and wild West feel of that Round one trades

1470
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: flying over, skilled position players being traded, especially receivers being

1471
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: drafted all over the place. Was this a fun draft

1472
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: for you? Oh? Absolutely, I think this was more of

1473
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: a scouts and a die hard football fans draft than

1474
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: any um despite all the you know, carnival stuff going

1475
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: on in Las Vegas, but just being able to see

1476
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: all the movement and then just seeing these quarterbacks fall

1477
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: and and and to me, it actually felt perfectly for

1478
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks. Even though draft can be a big signifier opportunity, um,

1479
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: these guys need an extended opportunity to develop. And then

1480
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: just with the receivers and the depth of the running

1481
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 1: back clad even a lot of the free agents that

1482
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: are available are interesting this year. This could be one

1483
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: of the more fascinating drafts in recent history, even though

1484
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 1: maybe on the surface to the casual fan it was

1485
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 1: kind of a dog. A lot of people were saying

1486
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 1: that going in and I won't lie to you, you know,

1487
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: I did a ton of draft coverage this week. We

1488
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 1: do on what Thursday night, we did an hour of TV,

1489
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 1: four hours of radio, Friday night five hours of radio,

1490
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: and then Saturday three more And for the Browns, we

1491
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 1: didn't even pick in the first six hours since we

1492
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: were on the air for the radio recovering the draft,

1493
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,600
Speaker 1: which is unprecedented obviously, but I had a heck of

1494
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: a time. I thought it was a fun, fascinating draft

1495
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 1: and for one that people thought was gonna be a

1496
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 1: snooze fest, I really agree with you. I think it

1497
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: was anything but. And just seeing the massive shift in

1498
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 1: the mindset of football teams, about draft capital and about

1499
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 1: the value of proven commodities in the league, which I

1500
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: always thought they seemed to be undervalued relative to the

1501
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: unknowns of the draft. I thought it was just it

1502
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: was a great time for all, for all to enjoy.

1503
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely was that, you know, I think those are terrific

1504
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 1: points that you made. And and to me, especially with

1505
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 1: quarterback because when you think of the great quarterbacks that

1506
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 1: have come out of of drafts, whether you want to

1507
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: go from a gun slinger like Brett Farve to a

1508
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: precision guy like Joe Montana to um, you know, Tom Brady,

1509
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,600
Speaker 1: all those guys got to sit a little bit or

1510
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,600
Speaker 1: had interminute plane time, got like Steve McNair who was

1511
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 1: an m v P had interminute plane time, Drew Brees

1512
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 1: had interminute plane time, and they got benched. You know.

1513
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes it was you know the great Marty Schottenheimer talked

1514
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 1: about or that Drew Brees talked about the great Marty

1515
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: Schoenheimer being the one who developed him and saying, listen,

1516
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: you know he would bench me when I wasn't seeing

1517
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 1: things well and say, you're my guys, stop confidencing you.

1518
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna put the veteran in let you watch this

1519
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 1: and and if we get close, I'm gonna give you

1520
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: a chance to win it, which is just the great

1521
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 1: way of how you develop a guy, and that you're

1522
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 1: not seeing that in this league a lot. But these

1523
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: guys might get that chance. A guy like Malik Willis

1524
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 1: who gets you know, third round. And while Ryan Tannehill

1525
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: saying I'm not his mentor that's okay, the fact that

1526
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 1: he can sit there for a couple of years that

1527
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: through Tannehill's contract, watch and do the work that he

1528
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 1: needs to do, he has a fighting chance now, whereas

1529
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 1: if you put him in right away, I think you

1530
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,600
Speaker 1: would have seen a player flounder a great deal and

1531
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 1: might even get kind of burnt to a crisp in

1532
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 1: the frying pan. That is often the way owners want

1533
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: to insert rookies into the league. Were you surprised the

1534
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: way that the quarterback draft in particular unfolded or was

1535
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 1: that what you expected and in your evaluations you thought

1536
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: that this quarterback class merited well grade wise, This is

1537
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 1: exactly how I hoped it would be. But I got

1538
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm one of those people that every year thinks that

1539
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 1: there's maybe one guy at best who deserves the late

1540
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 1: first round pick. So right, And that's the thing about

1541
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: That's the thing about the drambol because it's the position

1542
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: right and you if you have an opportunity, people like

1543
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 1: to take that swing. But I think you're right. He

1544
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:11,639
Speaker 1: ends up Malik Willison a great spot there. And Ryan

1545
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: Daniel said, look, he's gonna learn from watching me and

1546
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 1: be with and that's my job is to teach him

1547
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: the right way to do things. But I'm not just

1548
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: an out and out mentor. I think a lot was

1549
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 1: made about that comment, and I think most quarterbacks probably

1550
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 1: feel very similar to the way that Ryan Tannehill did,

1551
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: and I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with that.

1552
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: The Browns didn't need to draft a quarterback in this draft.

1553
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 1: They've got Deshaun Watson here now Jacoby were sent backing

1554
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: him up. But they did need to get a receiver,

1555
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: and we talked about a couple of names on their

1556
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 1: going into the draft. Now, one that we didn't talk

1557
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: about four day three was David Bell, who I know

1558
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 1: though you are a fan of I read I watched

1559
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,879
Speaker 1: your film study on him, read some things in comparison

1560
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 1: to DeAndre Hopkins. But what did the Browns get in

1561
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 1: Bell in your estimation, and is he a guy that

1562
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 1: you know can make an immediate impact for this team.

1563
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: I think he can. I think he can play in

1564
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,759
Speaker 1: a bit of a role that's that's similar to Jarvis

1565
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: l injury, but maybe in a different way of executing it.

1566
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: He is not obviously he's not very fast. Um, he's

1567
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: not very you know, his explosion. His athletic profile isn't

1568
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: fantastic by any stretch. It's actually quite low for a

1569
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 1: starting receiver. But he's a terrific pass catcher, a good

1570
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: route runner, understands how to win in physical coverage. He's

1571
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 1: gonna work opening zones. He's more than quick enough there.

1572
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 1: And he's an heck of a football player and blocker.

1573
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 1: And when you use him on a run oriented team

1574
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:34,640
Speaker 1: or a team that runs the ball as well as

1575
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 1: the Browns do, you're gonna be able to generate play

1576
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 1: action opportunities. And he's such a good blocker he's going

1577
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: to command respect of you know, just like I talked

1578
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: about Alec Pierce last week. UM, I like Bell almost

1579
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: as much, um, maybe a little more, you know, in

1580
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 1: terms of the advanced conceptual traits of just like processing coverage,

1581
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: understanding how to set up defenders one on one. He

1582
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:01,719
Speaker 1: just doesn't have the athletics upside of that, but he's

1583
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: a terrific football player and that that's kind of the

1584
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 1: theme with this Brown's draft is they they picked a

1585
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:14,560
Speaker 1: smart football players who process information quickly. And that's and

1586
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 1: if that's the theme that the Browns are going for, Um,

1587
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:21,600
Speaker 1: you gotta get behind that because that really hit the

1588
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: difference between UM, good college athletes and good NFL players.

1589
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: You're exactly right. Talk with Matt Walban from the Rookie

1590
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 1: Scouting Portfolio with some very glowing words about David beld

1591
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 1: the Brown's third round pick out of Perdue. Now do

1592
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 1: you see him you mentioned like Jarvis in but in

1593
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 1: a different way. Do you see him at this level

1594
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 1: inside or does he have inside outside versatility? I think

1595
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 1: he's more I think he's going to be best on

1596
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 1: the inside, but he might be able to give you

1597
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: a little bit of the Juju Smith Schuster inside out versatility,

1598
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be more selective in terms of where

1599
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 1: he's effective on the outside. Um, but I do I

1600
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 1: do think he's more of an inside guy, but he's

1601
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 1: also more of a contested catch guy where you can

1602
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:11,560
Speaker 1: throw him open in the way that um, you know,

1603
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson really counted on that with DeAndre Hopkins, and

1604
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: those are the routes that match up best for Watson. Anyway.

1605
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: We know that Watson doesn't have that high velocity arm.

1606
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 1: He throws the ball. He throws the moon shots really

1607
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: well up the rails and across the field. But when

1608
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 1: it comes to those intermediate routes, he's best on those

1609
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 1: sail routes, the outs against zone coverage. UM. But you

1610
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 1: don't want him throwing maybe the opposite field come back

1611
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 1: or the opposite field out with you know, great timing

1612
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 1: and velocity with a low trajectory. That's not his game.

1613
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 1: And that's really not where with Bell's lack of speed

1614
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: and quickness or acceleration excuse me, that's not really his

1615
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 1: strength either. So you're gonna see more of the routes

1616
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: you saw him throw it with the Houston Texans, and

1617
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 1: that works just fine, especially when you're using maybe two

1618
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:08,639
Speaker 1: receiver route combinations twins to one side, or you line

1619
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 1: him up inside. You have you know, Donovan People's jones

1620
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 1: on the outside and you can mix and match with

1621
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 1: that and when you put Bell on the inside, he

1622
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 1: processes things so fast to be on the same page

1623
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 1: with his quarterback. He had just well to two different things.

1624
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 1: I mean there's a great play of his just as

1625
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 1: a run block or where you see him, you know,

1626
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 1: handle two blocks and then pull away from one knowing

1627
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: that it's not as important as what he's seen with

1628
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, cornerbacks, backside penetration, and be able to spring

1629
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: his fullback for a long time for a nice touchdown

1630
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:43,799
Speaker 1: in the red zone, a long touchdown for a fullback.

1631
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:48,680
Speaker 1: But you know that. Yeah, so that's that's the kind

1632
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 1: of thing you get with him, and I think he

1633
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 1: can become a big time security blanket who in terms

1634
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: of high receptions and you know, somewhere between eight hundred

1635
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 1: seven yards worth of production during his peak seasons. It

1636
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 1: schemed to him as a receiver. You love to hear

1637
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 1: that because I think in this offense, you're right, we're

1638
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 1: gonna transition. We're still gonna be obviously run oriented. You've

1639
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,679
Speaker 1: got Nick Chubb, you've got Kareem Hunt, de Ernest Johnson,

1640
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:16,600
Speaker 1: but this is gonna be a team that's gonna do

1641
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 1: a little bit more eleven personnel than they did last year.

1642
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna be able to throw the ball a little

1643
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 1: bit more and having that guy over the middle of

1644
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 1: the field that can be counted on to catch the

1645
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 1: football because that's one things he does so well. I

1646
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 1: think it's gonna go a long way for both Bell

1647
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: and Deshaun Watson in this offense. Mentioning the running backs,

1648
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:35,600
Speaker 1: the Browns obviously thinking about some succession planning here. And

1649
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 1: you talked about the depth in this running back class.

1650
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 1: I mean, they got a guy who just ran for

1651
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 1: thirteen hundred yards and nineteen touchdowns, averaging six point two

1652
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 1: yards of carry in average ten yards of catch last

1653
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 1: year at Cincinnati. Very productive. Seems they have some real upside.

1654
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 1: Was originally recruited by Nick Saban and Alabama before transferring

1655
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 1: the last two years about two and eighty carries and

1656
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 1: really eighteen hundred yards and twenty seven touchdowns on the ground,

1657
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: So incredible production. What do the brown What are the

1658
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:03,600
Speaker 1: Browns getting in in this young man out of Cincinnati.

1659
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 1: They're getting a guy who could be a future starter

1660
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,640
Speaker 1: if they need him to be. That's how good this

1661
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 1: guy is. Joe Ford. Joe Ford has excellent movement skills

1662
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,680
Speaker 1: and with the running back position, you need guys who

1663
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 1: don't just make the dramatic jump cuts and and spins,

1664
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 1: which he can do that. But he's very efficient with

1665
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 1: his footwork. He can make the one small move, open

1666
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 1: his hips and get outside. He can bounce plays, but

1667
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: he'll stay inside and run tough. He's not He's not

1668
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: anywhere near Nick Chubb as a physical runner. But like

1669
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:44,560
Speaker 1: the Ernest Johnson, who is physical enough that when he

1670
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 1: gets his pads down he can handle the pounding and

1671
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,640
Speaker 1: keep coming back to get yards and get yards through

1672
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 1: contact and get help his lineman UM by staying on

1673
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 1: his feet and his lineman will help push him. He

1674
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 1: has that skill. But he's more mobile, maneuver old than

1675
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 1: than Johnson. He is a good pass catcher out of

1676
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: the backfield. UM. I think he has. He has some

1677
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 1: good traits in terms of his vision. He understands um

1678
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 1: his blocking schemes well. He understands where the cutback lanes are.

1679
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: Processes that very fast, and running back is a high

1680
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: processing position. As Rick Spielman talked about recently UM before

1681
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: the draft that when they're testing players nowadays and scouting,

1682
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 1: they and they're looking for processing speed. The closer to

1683
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 1: the middle of the field you are, the faster your

1684
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 1: processing has to be, which means that running backs and

1685
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 1: quarterbacks really have to have that high processing acumen, and

1686
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 1: he has that. There's a little bit of if you're

1687
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 1: going to think of a player that he reminds me of.

1688
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 1: He's not as athletic as Jamal Charles. He may not

1689
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:53,679
Speaker 1: be quite as physical as Cadillac Williams, but he's kind

1690
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 1: of in that Cadillac Williams vain in terms of size,

1691
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 1: the mentions and style to be able to function in

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01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: type spaces and make the most of plays by you're

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01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: making you miss making the right decision or being able to,

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01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, stay on his feet through contact. I like

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01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 1: that one. Kendalla, like Williams, burst onto the scene. I

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01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: think then he set the record for the most yards

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01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 1: rushing in his first game, something crazy. Back in the

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01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 1: day he was a very very good player. And then

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01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 1: maybe maybe running to the ground a little early in

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01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 1: his career, a lot of carries, but kinda well. I

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01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 1: certainly could play, and I like that comparison. It's just again,

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01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 1: it's nice to see the Browns be able to get

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01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 1: value with that position. And I think that's a trend,

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01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 1: don't you that We're going to see more and more

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01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 1: where you can get good value at the running back

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01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 1: position later on, as as kind of running backs aren't

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01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: going as early as they once did. There seemingly a

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01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 1: lot of good ones coming out of college. Do you

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01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:47,560
Speaker 1: think that that's something we're gonna continue se where you

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01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 1: can get guys in the middle rounds who can end

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01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 1: up being really good players without a doubt, more than

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01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 1: almost any position. You can name, guys like Priest Holmes,

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01:23:55,960 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 1: Willie Parker, Terrell Davis, Arian Foster. I just um, three

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01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 1: out of four players were undrafted free agents in this league. Um.

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01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like the running back room now.

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01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:11,799
Speaker 1: It's it's like I always compared to like a casting

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01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 1: call in Hollywood, where if you know, you could be

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01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:19,759
Speaker 1: you know, al Pacino, but you're still going to see,

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01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 1: you know, Robert de Niro, You're still gonna see like

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01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 1: a room full of great actors in the same casting call.

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01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the draft right now. It's not

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01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 1: that the running running back position is is getting worse.

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01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 1: It's just that they're using them more in committees, they're

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01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,720
Speaker 1: using them more in piecemeal parts. Because they don't want

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01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: to wear these guys down, um. And the position does

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01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 1: have a high turnover rate. UM. So when when these

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01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 1: guys are in a draft class, it's just like every year,

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01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 1: there's gonna still be strong athletes that come out. Occasionally

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01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 1: you'll have a an absolute game changer of a player

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01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 1: who will get drafted in the early rounds. But now

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01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 1: teams know that really they can they can get a

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01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 1: player with multiple different types of multiple types of variables

1733
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:10,720
Speaker 1: that that they can plug in either you know you

1734
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: look at you know James Cook right now, who he

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01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 1: he might have the absolute best fit of the running

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01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 1: backs who you might have considered as more of a

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01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 1: mid round guy except for the fact that going to

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01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 1: Buffalo and they're gonna spread the field and use him

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01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 1: as a multi purpose weapon. Now you give him that

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01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:33,520
Speaker 1: Austin Ekeler, Alvin Kamara may and I don't mean in ability,

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01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 1: but like Marshall falk in terms of if you spread

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01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,920
Speaker 1: it out, let him be run real routes, breaking from

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01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 1: the outside in which is what most running backs don't do.

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01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 1: And he can do that and he's tough at that. Suddenly,

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01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 1: now you have a player who's running skills in the

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01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:54,799
Speaker 1: between the tackles is good enough to be UM functional

1747
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,640
Speaker 1: as a starter in that offense because he may not

1748
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 1: found him, you know, times is like Nick Chubb and

1749
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 1: wear out of defense. But he's smart enough and skilled

1750
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 1: enough to maneuver in there and take enough of a

1751
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 1: punty that you can give him seven to eight touches

1752
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 1: inside the tackle box and another seven to eight you know,

1753
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 1: around the offense in different spots, and suddenly he can

1754
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 1: be very productive in that fashion. So yeah, it's a

1755
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 1: it's a It's still one of my favorite positions. But

1756
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 1: how can it not be. You grow up in Cleveland

1757
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 1: and you grow up hearing about James you know, about

1758
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 1: Jim Brown as if like he's the Zeus of the NFL.

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01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 1: So that's that's based. I just I. You know, I

1760
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: arrived on this planet about five years after he left UM,

1761
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 1: but that's all my family ever talked about, and that's

1762
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,719
Speaker 1: what I grew up learning, is that j Jim Brown

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01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 1: was the Zeus of football. So there's so much more

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Speaker 1: to come in this special edition of Cleveland Brown's Daily

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01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 1: right here on fifty ESPN Cleveland Cleveland Browns Daily on

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Speaker 1: it for us. A reminder, no show on Monday due

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Speaker 1: to Nathan's birthday. Happy Birthday, big Z, Happy Birthday America

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Speaker 1: to everybody else as well. Have a safe and happy

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Speaker 1: Fourth of July. We will see you next week. The

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