Speaker 1: They don't. The chances are we call them dog, we
Speaker 1: called the cat, but they don't care. They just exist.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the one you feed. Throughout time, great thinkers
Speaker 1: have recognized the importance of the thoughts we have. Quotes
Speaker 1: like garbage in, garbage out, or you are what you
Speaker 1: think ring true. And yet for many of us, our
Speaker 1: thoughts don't strengthen or empower us. We tend toward negativity,
Speaker 1: self pity, jealousy, or fear. We see what we don't
Speaker 1: have instead of what we do. We think things that
Speaker 1: hold us back and dampen our spirit. But it's not
Speaker 1: just about thinking. Our actions matter. It takes conscious, consistent,
Speaker 1: and creative effort to make a life worth living. This
Speaker 1: podcast is about how other people keep themselves moving in
Speaker 1: the right direction, how they feed their good wolf. Thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us. Our guest on this episode is Don
Speaker 1: Miguel Ruiz, a renowned spiritual teacher and internationally best selling author.
Speaker 1: He has spent the last three decades guiding students to
Speaker 1: personal freedom through his profound insights regarding the nature of
Speaker 1: human reality. His forthcoming book is The Toll Tech Art
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Speaker 1: Don Miguel Ruiz. Welcome to the show. Oh, if i'd
Speaker 1: be pleasure to be Well, it's a it's a pasure
Speaker 1: for me too. So we'll start the show like we
Speaker 1: always do with the first question, which is about the
Speaker 1: parable that our show is based on. And in the parable,
Speaker 1: there's a grandfather who's talking with his grandson and he says,
Speaker 1: in life, there are two wolves inside of us that
Speaker 1: are always at battle. One is a good wolf, which
Speaker 1: represents things like kindness and bravery and love, and the
Speaker 1: other is a bad wolf, which represents things like greed
Speaker 1: and hatred and fear. And the grandson stops and he
Speaker 1: thinks about it for a second and he looks at
Speaker 1: his grandfather and he says, well, grandfather, which one wins?
Speaker 1: And the grandfather says, the one you feed. So I'd
Speaker 1: like to start off by asking you you know what
Speaker 1: that parable means to you in your life and in
Speaker 1: the work that you do. Okay, first of all, I
Speaker 1: really like this parable. My son Jose he always shows
Speaker 1: that he's his teaching, and he chased sounds things. But
Speaker 1: it's effective to say that he has teaches and my
Speaker 1: life has been like that, like like everybody else. Also
Speaker 1: that that I played to every single human you know.
Speaker 1: For centuries and millennium, we used to believe that there's
Speaker 1: could embody in us, that our mind had the battle
Speaker 1: between booth and that. Well, it's not exactly truth could embodish,
Speaker 1: just the result of the real conflict that exists in
Speaker 1: the human mind and the we gothic in the mind
Speaker 1: is between the truth and life. The truth is only
Speaker 1: one life are millions of life, and the truth exists
Speaker 1: long before the creation of humanity and will exist from
Speaker 1: after the extinction of humanity. The truth doesn't need to
Speaker 1: be proved. In the other hand, the life exists only
Speaker 1: because we believe in those lives, and the life are
Speaker 1: not but the distortion of the truth, and that distortion
Speaker 1: can go very, very dis and create all those superstitions.
Speaker 1: Then the result of the living and also superstition, and
Speaker 1: also sifes that we are parts in different degrees, depends
Speaker 1: how how strong is the superstitions that we defend, and
Speaker 1: when we feed the bad wolf, they're really created more
Speaker 1: superstition and dependent of superstitions. When we feed the good dog,
Speaker 1: they're really diving ourselves good the truth. Then I think
Speaker 1: that this parable is really a big help for every
Speaker 1: single human. So let's talk a little bit more about
Speaker 1: your new book. You've got a new book called The
Speaker 1: tol Tech Art of Life and Death, And um, why
Speaker 1: don't we start by going a little bit into kind
Speaker 1: of what you were just saying, which is, let's talk
Speaker 1: about what is that truth? What is the What is
Speaker 1: the truth for us as humans? Well, the truth is
Speaker 1: the forced and most matter is that energy is pure energy.
Speaker 1: And as we say, uh, matter only can move if
Speaker 1: a forces movement matter. And if it is a movement,
Speaker 1: only can be stopped if a source of stops matter.
Speaker 1: Well that's fourth, the most matter is energy is life.
Speaker 1: Then we can see that all the universes, all the systems,
Speaker 1: it's just a binary system, just like the computers. If
Speaker 1: the computers function only with zero and one and the
Speaker 1: combination of distal digits create all what we can see
Speaker 1: the computer, all the sounds that we can hear, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 1: What it's the same with the whole reality, with the
Speaker 1: whole system sepinary system is matter and the fourth and
Speaker 1: most matter, which is life. Then it's manifested everything that
Speaker 1: we perceive and what we don't perceive that exists, That
Speaker 1: exists long before humans learned to speak. We don't need
Speaker 1: to believe in the truth is just exists. How can
Speaker 1: we apply that knowledge if we were too, if we
Speaker 1: were to see that and recognize, how does that help
Speaker 1: us day to day? What do we do with that
Speaker 1: that knowledge or that information. Okay, we perceive the truth
Speaker 1: all the time, but what we perceive is distorted in
Speaker 1: our minds with our beliefs, and then what we believe
Speaker 1: is true is not exactly the truth. The truth is
Speaker 1: the forced Let's see that moves every cell of your body.
Speaker 1: Who have to deliver them and of physical body is
Speaker 1: You don't need to think or to live about that
Speaker 1: and for that tru to exist. In the other hand,
Speaker 1: the distortion of that truth, the reflection of the truth
Speaker 1: in the brain. We're going to create the mind that
Speaker 1: we'll try to explain everything that we persist. Then an
Speaker 1: apple is not just an apple. We have to describe
Speaker 1: that apple, but using language, we will say the apple
Speaker 1: is a fruit, could be read be green, et cetera, biggest, small,
Speaker 1: We qualify it, and this is true for us, but
Speaker 1: it's just a description of that apple. That apple doesn't
Speaker 1: care if we call it apple or not. It just exists.
Speaker 1: But we learned that this is an apple, that we
Speaker 1: qualify it, we share with everybody. But if we got
Speaker 1: another another country to speak a different language, is no
Speaker 1: longer an apple. They will have another name that millions
Speaker 1: of people will agree and then that apple in their
Speaker 1: own particular way. But there's hundreds of languages around the world.
Speaker 1: Then everything that we know is only true for us,
Speaker 1: but not for everybody. Then we in that way we
Speaker 1: can see that every single human, yes, its own truth,
Speaker 1: but it's not true. It's a distortion of that truth.
Speaker 1: That is the reason why we think that everybody is wrong,
Speaker 1: that only we are right. Right. I've heard you talk
Speaker 1: about the fact that we are all artists and our
Speaker 1: work of art is the story about our lives that
Speaker 1: we tell ourselves. Yes, so that's what the tone needs
Speaker 1: in these artists because it can be trustated in any
Speaker 1: language around the world. But we talked about the wisdom.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the wisdom of the artists, and yes,
Speaker 1: every single human is an artist, and the greatest creation
Speaker 1: that we have is the story of our lives. And
Speaker 1: this folk is really based in the story of my life.
Speaker 1: It's it's a story that happens when I hear a
Speaker 1: massive heart attack in two thousand and two and I
Speaker 1: was I was not nine ways in coma. Then I
Speaker 1: have this wonderful dream during the time that I was
Speaker 1: a back coma and the story is is about the
Speaker 1: recollection of my life. You know, everybody says that when
Speaker 1: we're dying, uh or life goals in front of us
Speaker 1: very very fast. Well, that really happened to me. I
Speaker 1: had the heart attack and that I was dying, and
Speaker 1: uh it is a mayor heart attack. I was kind
Speaker 1: of in between life and very very close to to
Speaker 1: to be dead. But what is important is that in
Speaker 1: this wonderful story, I see my my whole mind, just
Speaker 1: like any nation who is who have treated main powers.
Speaker 1: One power is the one who creates the rules like
Speaker 1: a congress m HM, who create all the rules and
Speaker 1: create a constitution. Then there's the other part who have
Speaker 1: the authority authority to impose that law, like the police
Speaker 1: or the army. And the other one is the viduo,
Speaker 1: the one that receives the fate of the laws and
Speaker 1: the authority that it posted laws on us. And this
Speaker 1: is uh the main character of the story, which we
Speaker 1: could be a victim of the story that he creates
Speaker 1: or then becomes the president, the one who rules the nation.
Speaker 1: Then in this book, what we see is this main
Speaker 1: character of the story, with the help of my mother,
Speaker 1: is remembered. The most particular memories could change the life
Speaker 1: of Mittel and by it was an encounteract with the truth,
Speaker 1: and in the consecrated truth, many of the life just
Speaker 1: disappeared to state because the life only exists because we
Speaker 1: do live in those lives. If we don't no longer
Speaker 1: to live in those lives, then all those lives just
Speaker 1: goes away. And what this remain is the truth, even
Speaker 1: if we don't know exactly what the truth is, but
Speaker 1: we see it. We see it, we see the magicestation,
Speaker 1: and we understand it. And when we're trying to expand it,
Speaker 1: it's really no longer the truth, but it is getting
Speaker 1: closer and closer to that truth. Then in this dream
Speaker 1: we can say that Salita my mother's faith, then my
Speaker 1: knowledge that we keep a mental acknowledge, and that man
Speaker 1: is La la It is the retention of Lada, the
Speaker 1: retention and my knowledge, and to receive the knowledge, the
Speaker 1: knowledge give tasted the truth again and again and again,
Speaker 1: it just get dissipated more and more and more. I
Speaker 1: think what we can see in that story is that
Speaker 1: every single human needs being possessed, not that the devil
Speaker 1: or a demon, but it is possessed by knowledge. The
Speaker 1: knowledge is really that dog who we feed with all
Speaker 1: those lives, and we're afraid of that knowledge. And now
Speaker 1: back to the interview without Miguel Ruiz. So for the
Speaker 1: artist of our own stories, what are ways that we
Speaker 1: can learn to work with those stories with that knowledge
Speaker 1: in a more productive way, or in a in a
Speaker 1: way that feeds the good wolfs so to speak? Are
Speaker 1: there some ways to think about the world? Are some
Speaker 1: things that we can do that that help separate the
Speaker 1: truth from the lies. One of the things that I
Speaker 1: say most of my lectures that I speak directly to
Speaker 1: the public. I have for help, and I ast him
Speaker 1: please help me to change the world. Of course, I'm
Speaker 1: not looking to change the world of humanity, but the
Speaker 1: world that they create their own story, and in this case,
Speaker 1: I write a little story of my own life. That
Speaker 1: they can compare with theirs, but they can see how
Speaker 1: I change my world, so they can also change their
Speaker 1: own world. Then that story is a power with seven
Speaker 1: billion stories. When you read this book, if you shift
Speaker 1: the name and you put your own name, you can
Speaker 1: see how do you create your own reality? You will
Speaker 1: see all the laws that you create against yourself, and
Speaker 1: you can see that becomes a big adventure for the
Speaker 1: ticket to start facing all those lives, to start shifting
Speaker 1: those life with the weapon of the truth. Where we
Speaker 1: use is the fifth agreement, the one that my sons
Speaker 1: has hasself wrote, be skeptical, but learned to listen. Very skeptical.
Speaker 1: We don't believe ourselves, we don't believe anybody else. Then
Speaker 1: we can hear what people say. We don't believe, but
Speaker 1: we live. See what they say, and what word for
Speaker 1: us we keep it is that will help us to
Speaker 1: change our own story. And specifically, we need to listen
Speaker 1: to ourselves, what we say, the lives that we tell
Speaker 1: to ourselves. If we don't believe our own lives, the
Speaker 1: truth will break those lives, and and every stead we
Speaker 1: become more and more free, and we're really changing our
Speaker 1: own world. Then when they see the parallel in this
Speaker 1: book with their own stories, we can see that they
Speaker 1: can change our own world. Is something that I talk
Speaker 1: to everybody all the time is if I can do it,
Speaker 1: you can do it. And if you can do it,
Speaker 1: everybody can do it. And so really what we're talking
Speaker 1: about here is that looking at the stories that we
Speaker 1: tell ourselves, we completely mentally construct a world based on
Speaker 1: all our memories or experiences, all of those things. And
Speaker 1: you're saying by learning the question those things being, being
Speaker 1: a little bit skeptical of them and looking at them
Speaker 1: from different perspectives, we can set ourselves free from some
Speaker 1: of those those lies. We are helping ourselves to see
Speaker 1: the whole creation in a completely different way. But we
Speaker 1: have to start always with ourselves. We cannot give what
Speaker 1: we don't have. Seriously have to respect ourselves if we
Speaker 1: want to give love, seriously want to love ourselves. That
Speaker 1: seems to be a theme in the new book and
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of your work, which is
Speaker 1: really that one of the things that we do is
Speaker 1: we punish ourselves very much for not being who we
Speaker 1: think we should be. Yes, and we can see the
Speaker 1: core of the whole problem. We can see that all
Speaker 1: This conflict exists because we learn to love the same
Speaker 1: way that everybody else loves. We learned how to love
Speaker 1: the way that our parents love us, the way our
Speaker 1: brothers love us when we go to schools, the way
Speaker 1: or or friends love us. The way they love us
Speaker 1: is with conditions. Is conditional love that we can say
Speaker 1: that the Laverty nine point that of humans, they love
Speaker 1: with contitions, which means I love you if you let
Speaker 1: me control you, if you do whatever I want you
Speaker 1: to do, then I love you. And that's how we
Speaker 1: love everybody. But everybody also love us the same way
Speaker 1: they love us. East. We do what they want us
Speaker 1: to do, and that's the reason why we want to
Speaker 1: please everybody. And the worst part is that we learned
Speaker 1: to love ourselves exactly the same way I love myself, East,
Speaker 1: I can be the way I should be according to
Speaker 1: everybody else's opinion and according my own opinion. Where we
Speaker 1: understand this point, we also will understand them. Every single
Speaker 1: content that exists in this of my mind, every injustice,
Speaker 1: every violence, starvation, including war, is because everybody tried to
Speaker 1: control everything, the outcome of everything, and this is because
Speaker 1: we all love with conditions. Then that conditional love is
Speaker 1: just the reflection of the will love, the unconditional love,
Speaker 1: the love that we have when we was born. Then
Speaker 1: when we understand all of this, we also can understand
Speaker 1: the is why we believe what we believe, why we
Speaker 1: creddle those superstitions, and why we are so phanatic to
Speaker 1: thinking or believe to try to impose our opinion to everybody,
Speaker 1: including to ourselves. We've learned to love in a way
Speaker 1: that we've been taught over our lifetime, to love conditionally,
Speaker 1: and because that's the way we were loved and the
Speaker 1: way we were taught. How do you start to love
Speaker 1: unconditionally when really the only kind of way you've known
Speaker 1: the love is conditionally. That's a it's one thing to
Speaker 1: see it and hear it, you say it. How how
Speaker 1: do I make that part of my life? Well, this
Speaker 1: is not as easy as it looks like. It's easy
Speaker 1: to understand the reason why. But we are practicing this
Speaker 1: conditional loss to all of our life. It becomes a habit.
Speaker 1: We love that way. To change it is more difficult,
Speaker 1: not even because ourselves that because everybody else love the
Speaker 1: same way. Then we can see that these egos all
Speaker 1: around they try to impost to us, and of course
Speaker 1: we need to defend, to put our own limits to
Speaker 1: avoid of kind of interactions. And we do that because
Speaker 1: we are learning to love ourselves just the way we are,
Speaker 1: because we need to understand that we are perfect the
Speaker 1: way we are. Even with that conditional love, everything needs
Speaker 1: really perfection. Then we need to accept ourselves just the
Speaker 1: way we are, and then we can love ourselves just
Speaker 1: the way we are and does start changing everything we're
Speaker 1: they're doing once again is changing our world, and the
Speaker 1: way to do it is to love ourselves unconditionally. We
Speaker 1: get to respect and we gain the inner peace. Then
Speaker 1: we can give what we have. We can give the log,
Speaker 1: we can give their respect, We can give peace just
Speaker 1: by existing. We don't need to go and preach all
Speaker 1: of that. We just need to be ourselves and to
Speaker 1: apply what we don't in any generation of life. We
Speaker 1: don't need to be teachers. Now we can work in
Speaker 1: whatever get to it and apply that in that direction.
Speaker 1: We can apply that with our fability, with our children,
Speaker 1: with our friends, but of course mainly with ourselves. We
Speaker 1: create a wonderful empowerment where we can live. And we
Speaker 1: have to understand that we are not responsible for other
Speaker 1: people's mind for all the people's actions, but just need
Speaker 1: to take action when they crossed the lives. That's why
Speaker 1: we have laws and we have police. That is that's
Speaker 1: way that I can describe loves it works longer true.
Speaker 1: Right by talking about it, you lose the essence of
Speaker 1: it to some degree. But we have to do the
Speaker 1: best we can. That brings up a question that you know,
Speaker 1: I bring up on the show a lot, and and
Speaker 1: it's one that I wrestle with, which is, you're very
Speaker 1: successful man. You know written, you know best sellers, so
Speaker 1: you clearly have some degree of ambition or striving. You know,
Speaker 1: you do things, you create things, you put things out there.
Speaker 1: And it seems like I wrestle with the balance between
Speaker 1: being ambitious or wanting things to be different, want in
Speaker 1: life to be a little bit better myself better, to
Speaker 1: make something that's important. And then the opposite of that
Speaker 1: is kind of exactly what you just said, which is
Speaker 1: to accept ourselves exactly the way we are. How do
Speaker 1: you balance those two drives within yourself? Try I'm just
Speaker 1: that way. You know, I live in a physical body.
Speaker 1: We've been crippled since I have the heart attack. When
Speaker 1: I wake up from the heart attack. My heart was
Speaker 1: working only with the six percent of his capacity. The
Speaker 1: doctor feld me that I may live one more year
Speaker 1: if I'm lucky, and they recommend me to stay at home,
Speaker 1: not to walk the mass that I can, I have
Speaker 1: the same life that I had before. And of course,
Speaker 1: as soon as I feel better, I started doing exactly
Speaker 1: the opposite. I started keep teaching again, taking people to
Speaker 1: different places, and all that is what I called my will,
Speaker 1: the will to enjoy my life and just my body.
Speaker 1: It wasn't physical pay for eight and a half years,
Speaker 1: because I didn't die in one years, as the doctor says,
Speaker 1: until I have a heart trans planet to doesn't intent.
Speaker 1: But it's all about the will, the will to enjoy life.
Speaker 1: Then the physical pain is not a reason to suffer,
Speaker 1: because the suffering is really in the mind. Yes, we
Speaker 1: have paid whatever that we get used to, that we
Speaker 1: can we can enjoy life. Anyway, when you talk about suffering,
Speaker 1: you're really talking about all the things that we add
Speaker 1: on top of the physical pain. So you have physical pain,
Speaker 1: but the suffering is all the stories we tell ourselves
Speaker 1: about it. What it means is that kind of what
Speaker 1: your mean by the suffering In that case, well, you're
Speaker 1: feeling myself pity, yeah, and feeling my my able pretended
Speaker 1: that everybody have to do something for me, and it's
Speaker 1: not true. Whatever help is because they want to, not
Speaker 1: because they have to. When you're creeple to feel that
Speaker 1: everybody have to help you, that they have the responsibility
Speaker 1: of you, and it's not true. When you have set
Speaker 1: yourself after where you are, you don't need really too
Speaker 1: much help, and you give also so much that they
Speaker 1: really love to be around you. You don't need even
Speaker 1: to ask, but you have to ask when you need that.
Speaker 1: We have to be reasonable because we need to respect
Speaker 1: other people's points of you. Then it's very very important
Speaker 1: for people who have to have cancer, to have an
Speaker 1: accident and that parapleged, etcetera, etcetera. You know, we feel
Speaker 1: sorry for ourselves. We create a big from in our
Speaker 1: life because we demand hardly anybody wants to be around us.
Speaker 1: If we change our attitude, everything will change. People will
Speaker 1: help us with without any hesitation. They will love to
Speaker 1: go around us. Like you said, that's that's one of
Speaker 1: those things it's easier to say than do in a
Speaker 1: lot of cases. Yes, of course, if it's if you
Speaker 1: can understand, but to take the action is different. And
Speaker 1: that's the reason why I asked. Everybody tell me to
Speaker 1: change the world, but want that you create, You don't.
Speaker 1: You don't need to be the victim. You can, you can,
Speaker 1: You can help control of your own life, because it
Speaker 1: is true. Everybody can change the way that is their life.
Speaker 1: Everybody can create their own particular heaven. Instead of living
Speaker 1: with all those dramas that we create, we need to
Speaker 1: the repossibility of ourselves, of every action, of every opinion,
Speaker 1: and enjoy it, because yes, we can enjoy our life.
Speaker 1: We do the best if we really want to, because
Speaker 1: that is so wonderful, It's so beautiful. What lesson has
Speaker 1: taken you the longest to learn personally in your life.
Speaker 1: When I was wealth and your soul, one of my
Speaker 1: older brothers died and that changed my life completely because
Speaker 1: I see all the people around pretending to be what
Speaker 1: they are not, and that really was a little shock
Speaker 1: for me to see that everybody is puthentic, they're not authentic.
Speaker 1: Another time is when I have a dealop with my
Speaker 1: grandfather and he let me know that I am not
Speaker 1: what I believe by a yes the name of a
Speaker 1: make character. Yes you have really magain, which is my
Speaker 1: creation and a critical rief try to give an equilib
Speaker 1: to the opinion of everybody around me and my own
Speaker 1: opinion about myself. The magel Risk is just an image
Speaker 1: and is not real, but the whole story is about
Speaker 1: megal Risks. It is the one who make all those
Speaker 1: decisions for good or her bath. It is using everything
Speaker 1: that knows it found authority in order to take those decisions.
Speaker 1: Then knowing that I am not what I believe I am.
Speaker 1: When someone asks you, well, what are you, I don't
Speaker 1: have to justify my existence that say, hey, I'm a
Speaker 1: medical author uh and an author and destroying everything that
Speaker 1: I like it and what I don't like because the
Speaker 1: owners truth is that I don't know what I am,
Speaker 1: but I am and here I am alive, and that's
Speaker 1: that it's important. They don't talk him. Not that it's
Speaker 1: a dog the cat said, not that it's a cat.
Speaker 1: We call them dogs, we call their carts, but they
Speaker 1: don't care. They just exist the same with us. We
Speaker 1: just exist. If we're going to science, I will say, well,
Speaker 1: I am matter and life movement matter, which is very
Speaker 1: close to the truth, but it is still a promo
Speaker 1: actuality worse, it's not fruit any longer. When I say
Speaker 1: I am now it is even closer because I am
Speaker 1: whatever I am. That's why I like pop by the failure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what I am, that's all what I am. You're talking
Speaker 1: about letting go of the construction of what we think
Speaker 1: we are and all the all the things that we
Speaker 1: tie to that, and and really learning two more. It
Speaker 1: sounds like move out of that intellectual thinking mind, that's
Speaker 1: the hyper stimulated thinking mind that's always trying to figure
Speaker 1: everything out, and just trying to be present in the
Speaker 1: moment that we're in. You know, this is the beauty
Speaker 1: of this book because in that way we're facing all
Speaker 1: our beliefs, all our superstitious in our own fanaticism, we
Speaker 1: can see all the structure falling apart, and by the end,
Speaker 1: in the retention that knowledge that hardly had any life anymore,
Speaker 1: we can see how it gets so close to the truth.
Speaker 1: And this is what I call the retention of orders,
Speaker 1: the retention of la la, and to see that everything
Speaker 1: of human can do the same thing with their own creation.
Speaker 1: But they have to really go to that Podice say,
Speaker 1: to face every single superstition as a big monster. The
Speaker 1: community with the action of the fanaticism and every thing
Speaker 1: that we face one of those three lives. When we win,
Speaker 1: we see how they dissipated. There was not even real
Speaker 1: because the reality is vituals, not even truth. Everything that
Speaker 1: I believe is not true, everything that your build is
Speaker 1: not true. That it is only true for the main character.
Speaker 1: You know in the moment that you're dying, you can
Speaker 1: see how irrelevant was everything that you did. It like
Speaker 1: all the reasons why you get upset with other people
Speaker 1: that you love, all the judgments that you have a battle, everybody, everything,
Speaker 1: it's completely irrelevant because you live to your physical body,
Speaker 1: and the whole story goes not you, because you're immortal,
Speaker 1: because your life your body. Yes, we will go because
Speaker 1: this matter that you who give them the life to
Speaker 1: your body, you cannot die and then you cannot be destroyed,
Speaker 1: probably transformed. And this is the beauty that really doesn't exist,
Speaker 1: exists only into human mind, but as life. You just
Speaker 1: see how your manifest yourself in all the different specious
Speaker 1: to see you see the generation both replace all the
Speaker 1: generations in generations. It is completely normal. There is not
Speaker 1: really dead. That is only in the human mind. That
Speaker 1: when we can see when we die, nothing really happened,
Speaker 1: but it's an impact in the story that we create
Speaker 1: and in the story of the people who live around us,
Speaker 1: because they have awareness that someone live the physical body,
Speaker 1: and the body is death. Very similar to the Buddhist
Speaker 1: idea that the self that we think exists is entirely
Speaker 1: self constructed. It's not what we think it is. That's
Speaker 1: exactly true. Thank you so much for taking the time
Speaker 1: to come on the show. It's a it's a real
Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on. Your new book will be
Speaker 1: out very soon, and hopefully listeners will get a chance
Speaker 1: to check that out. If I hope that everybody we
Speaker 1: love this book, well, I hope you have as much
Speaker 1: success with it as you did with the Four Agreements,
Speaker 1: which was obviously very successful and and has helped a
Speaker 1: lot of people. So thanks so much for your time. Okay,
Speaker 1: all by love to all of you and to everybody
Speaker 1: who is listening to us. Okay, thank you, take care,
Speaker 1: You're very welcome. By all right bye. You can learn
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