Speaker 1: Hey, fam, I'm Jada Pinkett Smith and this is the
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Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts. Paris Jackson, it's coming too, the Red cat
Speaker 1: Rat and it's your Red cot Oh. I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to give me someone on one classes.
Speaker 1: This is how No, you got it. You talk to
Speaker 1: the camera, but you got this. It'll be good. Oh
Speaker 1: she's coming down, coming down, bandit are You're gonna come
Speaker 1: and greet Paris with us? Thank you so much? Great,
Speaker 1: thank you. So I haven't seen you in like ten years,
Speaker 1: ten years? Yeah, yeah, Si. I was like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: been that was on the Hawthorne sete. Grandmother brought her
Speaker 1: through the abandon was like, I want to meet ten
Speaker 1: years ten years? Whoa shall we go inside? Let's do
Speaker 1: it all right, you guys have a good one. Nice
Speaker 1: to see you. Come on, man, come with me, Come on.
Speaker 1: I met Paris Jackson when I was ten years old.
Speaker 1: Her grandmother, Catherine brought Paris and her brother's prince and
Speaker 1: blanket to meet Jaden and me. On the set of
Speaker 1: my mom's TV show Hawthorne. In the decade that followed,
Speaker 1: Paris and I built a strong bond growing up with
Speaker 1: parents in the spotlight. We have a lot in common,
Speaker 1: the only girl in a family of boys, a passion
Speaker 1: for music, careers and modeling, shared spirituality, struggles with body image,
Speaker 1: mental health, sexuality. Since losing her legendary father, the King
Speaker 1: of Pop, Michael Jackson, when she was just eleven years old,
Speaker 1: Paris has been to hell and back. Now she's joining me.
Speaker 1: From my very first conversation on the red couch, this
Speaker 1: is my first time doing this one on one. Sweet Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you were like, yeah, it's casual, Yeah, casual, But
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do this. You got to
Speaker 1: you gotta walk me through that. I got you. I
Speaker 1: got you. You're right here. I got you. I've always
Speaker 1: just described you as being such a beautiful soul, and
Speaker 1: even since the first time that we met, since that moment,
Speaker 1: I just felt such a purity and a beauty within you,
Speaker 1: and just seeing how you have really blossomed that means
Speaker 1: a lot to me. First of all, I feel the
Speaker 1: same way about you. Um, even when we don't talk
Speaker 1: for a little while, even if it's just through texting
Speaker 1: or whatever, it's always nice to know that like you
Speaker 1: and I are always on the same vibe. There were
Speaker 1: a lot of dark times that we can get into whatever. Whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how was your social anxiety been after this pandemic? Because
Speaker 1: I know for me, my nervous system has been on
Speaker 1: an all time clause out. It's always been pretty gnarly
Speaker 1: my social anxiety. I don't know if you get this too.
Speaker 1: I experienced audio hallucinations sometimes with camera clicks and severe
Speaker 1: paranoia and have been going to therapy for a lot
Speaker 1: of things, but that included and I've started you hear,
Speaker 1: I'll hear like a trash bag rustling, and I like
Speaker 1: flinch and panic. Is that from the paparazzi? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: think it's just like just standard PTSD. Since the day
Speaker 1: she was born, Paris has been hunted by paparazzi. As
Speaker 1: a little girl, she remembers being stepped on as they
Speaker 1: chased down her father. Not long ago, Paris was harassed
Speaker 1: and traumatized while simply walking through the airport. So you
Speaker 1: think somebody murdered your father for like blinding me? I'm
Speaker 1: really sorry, up, Paris, What are your thought stopped. That's abusive.
Speaker 1: I have like nightmares, but it's primarily like if I'm
Speaker 1: out in public during the day. I don't really go
Speaker 1: out during the day. I do catch it affecting my
Speaker 1: personal relationships, especially romantic relationships, and PTSD can affect pretty
Speaker 1: much every aspect of your life. I've just like started
Speaker 1: the healing process. I don't know if you know e
Speaker 1: m d R. I love. Md R is very intense
Speaker 1: that it puts you in a very fragile and vulnerable state,
Speaker 1: but it is a very effective kind of therapy. I
Speaker 1: definitely feel like in a lot of my personal relationships,
Speaker 1: like mostly friendships that I'm very paranoid about, like information right,
Speaker 1: if everyone that walks into my health signs and a
Speaker 1: vio like, it's gnarly. It's gnarly, like even being like, oh,
Speaker 1: like delete that text because I don't want people to like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah. It does a lot to your nervous system
Speaker 1: because you're constantly in fight or flight, flight freeze collapse.
Speaker 1: You're constantly like walking on eggshells. Can suddenly looking over
Speaker 1: your shoulder, like you have to sit up straight and
Speaker 1: act right because if you don't, it not only reflects
Speaker 1: on your reputation, your family's reputation. Like it's very like
Speaker 1: be careful, sit, smile, like, do the right thing, presentable.
Speaker 1: It does some serious shock, you know. I feel like
Speaker 1: there's got to be some kind of permanent damage. Just
Speaker 1: why I love camping so much, because we're in the
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. We need to do it again. I
Speaker 1: think they opened up that spot that we want to
Speaker 1: we have to go back we have. Do you feel
Speaker 1: like there's anyone in your life right now that you
Speaker 1: can trust completely? Have a couple of people, which is
Speaker 1: priceless and I hold onto that and I don't take
Speaker 1: care for granted. Suicide rates have been higher than they
Speaker 1: have ever been since and I know that we both
Speaker 1: have been there. I was talking to my friend about this,
Speaker 1: uh the other night. A lot of people do feel
Speaker 1: regret when they try and attempt suicide, um, like a
Speaker 1: last minute regret. There have been times where I did
Speaker 1: and times when I didn't, where I was upset that
Speaker 1: it didn't work. But I can't say, like several years
Speaker 1: later that like I'm really grateful that it didn't. Things
Speaker 1: have gotten better. Yeah, what what do you think started
Speaker 1: that for you? Like that emotional spiral for you. Um Like,
Speaker 1: what caused me to get to that dark place? I
Speaker 1: think it's everything, man. I think a lot of it
Speaker 1: was just not knowing who I was, being a young
Speaker 1: girl going through puberty, and probably a lot of just
Speaker 1: my situation and a lot of pressure. It was really
Speaker 1: hard and like people would tell me to kime myself
Speaker 1: every day, and I was depressed for years. Paris has
Speaker 1: been the target of vicious cyber bullying, just really really tired.
Speaker 1: At one point it got so bad she posted this
Speaker 1: heartbreaking video. I've tried sticking up for myself. I've tried
Speaker 1: the whole blocking mater's thing, not reading the comments, and
Speaker 1: I don't get what I'm such an easy target. When
Speaker 1: I was fourteen, I got so much hatred that, um
Speaker 1: I tried to kill myself. But I'm just tired of it.
Speaker 1: I'm just really really tired. Mm hmm. How did you
Speaker 1: start to bring yourself back to a better mental space? Initially?
Speaker 1: I think it was it's kind of morbid, the radical
Speaker 1: acceptance that it just wasn't meant to be, Just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've tried and try and try, and it's really not working.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just not my time, and that sucks, and
Speaker 1: for a while it was like I'll just weed it
Speaker 1: out kind of thing, which is so dark. But I've
Speaker 1: heard these gnarly stories of people that have like tried
Speaker 1: to hung themselves and they ended up paralyzed, but they
Speaker 1: still lived. And knowing my luck as like as many
Speaker 1: times as I tried, like I'd probably end up in
Speaker 1: that kind of a situation. So it's just a radical
Speaker 1: acceptance of one, it's my time, It'll be my time,
Speaker 1: and I'll wait it out till then. And during that
Speaker 1: waiting time, I've just found more and more joys in
Speaker 1: life and more ways to cope and more ways to
Speaker 1: like really live instead of just exist. Well, I've told
Speaker 1: a few friends about this experience that I had last autumn.
Speaker 1: It was the night of the Harvest moon, dude, and
Speaker 1: I experienced self love for the first time in my
Speaker 1: entire life. That I was having a really rough night
Speaker 1: because some old memories came up, I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna like sit and be with myself and
Speaker 1: like do a little prayer, and then I just like
Speaker 1: felt the need to get up and go into the
Speaker 1: mirror and start doing these affirmations. And once I finished,
Speaker 1: I like I saw myself, which is wild, and recognized
Speaker 1: myself for the first time in like ten years, and
Speaker 1: I was like, what's what paled? Friend? But like it
Speaker 1: was this really corny moment between me myself, like in
Speaker 1: the mirror, and it was just like, I don't have
Speaker 1: words to describe. It is so intense. It just a
Speaker 1: lot of gratitude. It's like a really long time to
Speaker 1: get to that point, so now you're able to see
Speaker 1: how beautiful you are. Sometimes, yeah, sometimes it's nice. Affirmations
Speaker 1: helped a lot. I always try and recommend them to friends,
Speaker 1: even though it's super uncomfortable and awkward at first. I
Speaker 1: don't know why it's so awkward and embarrassing to be
Speaker 1: by yourself in the mirror and be like you're worthy.
Speaker 1: It's like it feels uncomfortable at first when you first
Speaker 1: start getting into the hang of it. It just makes
Speaker 1: me so happy to feel like you see that. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Thank you. There are so many people who
Speaker 1: have suffered from losing loved ones, specifically during the COVID pandemic.
Speaker 1: How did you find the strength to keep going after
Speaker 1: losing your dad? I don't know. It kind of just
Speaker 1: happened I was so young that I wasn't like a
Speaker 1: conscious of I'm going to keep going, and like, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just going through the motions and like didn't
Speaker 1: really understand what was happening. And so I just went
Speaker 1: with what I was told to do. And Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: living here now, and okay, I'm going to school now,
Speaker 1: and I'm not homeschooled anymore, and I'll just do what
Speaker 1: I'm told because I didn't really have much guidance. After
Speaker 1: her dad died, Paris and her brothers moved in with
Speaker 1: her grandmother, Catherine, the Jackson family matriar was named permanent guardian.
Speaker 1: The children went from home schooling and traveling the world
Speaker 1: with their father to attending traditional school and living under
Speaker 1: Catherine's strict Jehovah's witness beliefs. WHOA are you still close
Speaker 1: to your dad's side of the family. I'm still very
Speaker 1: close with my brothers, and I see my family during
Speaker 1: family reunions, and I tell him all the time, if
Speaker 1: you want to call me, call me. I got love
Speaker 1: and respect for all of you guys. Try and see
Speaker 1: my cousins. I just saw my cousins for Thanksgiving and Christmas.
Speaker 1: Even though we don't call it that because a lot
Speaker 1: of time with witness, So we're just like February Union
Speaker 1: kind of thing. So your mom came into your life
Speaker 1: at age fifteen in Michael Jackson married Debbie Rowe, and
Speaker 1: assistant at a dermatology office. They had two children, Prince
Speaker 1: and Paris. When they divorced, Debbie gave up custody and
Speaker 1: the kids lived with their father full time. Paris grew
Speaker 1: up without her mother. Meeting your mom, how has that
Speaker 1: journey been for you? It's cool, I mean like getting
Speaker 1: to know her, saying how similar we are getting into
Speaker 1: what kind of music she likes, and she really likes
Speaker 1: country and folk by Center. Some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: I'm working on I have like banjo's in them. That
Speaker 1: was like a few months ago, My God, for her birthday.
Speaker 1: That is so sweet. We look a lot alike. All
Speaker 1: send you a picture that she sent me when she
Speaker 1: was my age in the seventies. Look exactly alike. It's
Speaker 1: just cool having her as a friend. It's very chill,
Speaker 1: which I which I love. That's a perfect word to
Speaker 1: describe it. How did you get your name? Paris seven
Speaker 1: told that Cathy Hilton and my dad were really close
Speaker 1: growing up. They're like best friends, and I think they
Speaker 1: made some kind of a pact that they were going
Speaker 1: to name their first daughter Paris. I think that's how
Speaker 1: me and uh Pete we call her pe one I
Speaker 1: p two Paris Hilton got her name as well. Then
Speaker 1: there's also like another story which just like my dad
Speaker 1: really really loved that city so much. When I got
Speaker 1: to truly explore Paris, I really connected to him. I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I get it, because I just didn't
Speaker 1: understand my name for a long time and I went
Speaker 1: there and I'm like, I get it. This is awesome,
Speaker 1: that's so beautiful. I want to ask you, I know
Speaker 1: it took a lot of courage to like step out
Speaker 1: and do this debut album. I don't know what gave
Speaker 1: me the courage to do it. It's just like I
Speaker 1: just couldn't ah suppress it anymore. What do you think
Speaker 1: was the starting point of you feeling like, Okay, like
Speaker 1: I really I feel like I want to make this project.
Speaker 1: I really want to put my all into this heartbreak
Speaker 1: it was the main thing, and it was the deepest
Speaker 1: heartbreak I'd ever experienced, but also one of the most
Speaker 1: powerful rebirths that I've ever had, and finding my voice
Speaker 1: and finding my sound and embracing being a musician. I
Speaker 1: was scared to do that for a long time. You know,
Speaker 1: It's been like a lobby of mine for a long time. Finally,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, no, Like, this is who I am.
Speaker 1: I'm a musician. What about that heartbreak put you on
Speaker 1: that specific path? Because I know that, specifically for me
Speaker 1: and so many people, experiencing heartbreak can either close you
Speaker 1: off and you could be like, oh no, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna be in my cocoon. It did do that. It
Speaker 1: was the deepest I've ever loved someone. It was the
Speaker 1: most intense that I've felt so far, and the most
Speaker 1: intense betrayal that I had felt so far and experienced.
Speaker 1: And it's definitely closed me off to that. Like, I'm
Speaker 1: very careful with who I spend time with now, and
Speaker 1: I'm very guarded and just trying to protect myself. But
Speaker 1: music has always been there for me. You had said
Speaker 1: that music saved your life. Oh for sure. It makes
Speaker 1: me feel less alone and it makes me feel heard.
Speaker 1: There were some dark, dark times where I did feel
Speaker 1: like music was all I had. I just feel like
Speaker 1: you've done such a beautiful and graceful job of doing
Speaker 1: your own thing. Because kids like us do we feel
Speaker 1: like we have to live up to this certain standard.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's still probably there somewhere in the
Speaker 1: back of my head. But the louder thing that competes
Speaker 1: is that I feel like my dad would be proud.
Speaker 1: I hear that there's a song that you have written. Yes, Recles,
Speaker 1: I wrote last week. It's actually one of my only
Speaker 1: happy songs. I heard you brought your guitar, such a
Speaker 1: beautiful guitar. Thank you. She's my travel friend. Nervous, yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit. I love you. Don't be nervous. Can
Speaker 1: I do anything? Why to Dawn? And does left same
Speaker 1: PECULI quite obscene. I'll take oh Angel insteadch them in between.
Speaker 1: There's says the sun can't be Maybe one day they'll
Speaker 1: all love mdal will sweet girl at their feet and
Speaker 1: we'll wrap decate the book about but an adventitious love affair.
Speaker 1: Not really something to predict, oh likely flawed contrasted pair.
Speaker 1: Unconventionally perfect you are. I'll carve your skin with flice
Speaker 1: back heart and match your freckles to the stars. Unconventionally
Speaker 1: perfect you are to me. That was beautiful. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I thought it was adorable and adventitious love affair, not
Speaker 1: really something to predict. That was beautiful. I love those
Speaker 1: lyrics thank you, match your freckles to the stars, like
Speaker 1: come on now, come on now, lyric thank you, and
Speaker 1: it kind of sounds like you're talking about a lady.
Speaker 1: It's got a few inspirations off of that note. We
Speaker 1: both like girls and boys, And I just want to ask,
Speaker 1: how was that journey for you alongside being in the
Speaker 1: limelight and being famous and having all of these people
Speaker 1: looking at you and figuring out your sexuality, like figuring
Speaker 1: out what you were attracted to, what kind of relationship
Speaker 1: you wanted to have. I mean, I'm still kind of
Speaker 1: figuring it out. Um. My family is very religious, and
Speaker 1: a lot of homosexuality is just very taboous, so they
Speaker 1: don't like to talk about it. It's not really accepted.
Speaker 1: But um, I've gotten to a point where I respect
Speaker 1: them and I have loved for them. I respect their beliefs,
Speaker 1: I respect their religion. Do you think that that kind
Speaker 1: of affected you in your growing stages, that feeling that
Speaker 1: maybe that wouldn't be accepted. Yeah, But right now I'm
Speaker 1: at a point where it's like to expect them to
Speaker 1: put aside their culture and their religion, Like expectations to
Speaker 1: me lead to resentments, and like what people think about
Speaker 1: me is in my business, you know. Yeah, but there
Speaker 1: were moments where it was really hard and like you
Speaker 1: feel alone, you feel kind of excluded. Were there are
Speaker 1: people in your family who supported you. My brothers, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't understand it at first. My older brother who's
Speaker 1: about fourteen months old, you met Prince. Yeah, we both
Speaker 1: have two older brothers, which is crazy. Blanket is younger
Speaker 1: than you. He's younger. I have two older brothers and
Speaker 1: then B g B now he's uh four years younger.
Speaker 1: But they they've always been super supportive. Prince joined a
Speaker 1: G S A club in high school. All learned about
Speaker 1: it because he wanted to support me, Like not a
Speaker 1: lot of people can say they have siblings sets support
Speaker 1: them like that. Yeah. I find that growing up with
Speaker 1: my brothers and and spending so much time with them
Speaker 1: and being the only girl, I got to see the
Speaker 1: differences and how society and even my parents would treat us.
Speaker 1: They would get certain freedoms or certain things or whatever
Speaker 1: wasn't fair. Yeah, it just wasn't fair. Did you feel
Speaker 1: any of that totally? I mean, yeah, my brother's got
Speaker 1: to go have sleepovers whenever they wanted, and they can
Speaker 1: go do whatever. They can go to parties and stuff
Speaker 1: to way more strict for me. And but also at
Speaker 1: the same time, like I was daddy's little girl, was
Speaker 1: the only girl, so I was definitely excluded at some
Speaker 1: points because I wasn't cool enough to kick it with
Speaker 1: the boys, and then got some special treatment for being
Speaker 1: a girl. So it's like you and some of you
Speaker 1: lose something. It's true. What was it like for you
Speaker 1: discovering your sexuality moving through that? Who It was very
Speaker 1: weird for me because people were telling me online before
Speaker 1: I even knew like what that was, that that I
Speaker 1: was a lesbian, that I dressed like a lesbian, that
Speaker 1: I talked like a lesbian, and all of these different things,
Speaker 1: and so just kind of seeing that at a very
Speaker 1: young age was like is this a bad thing? Like
Speaker 1: I kind of didn't know how to react to it
Speaker 1: because I was like, is there something wrong with me?
Speaker 1: Like why why is everyone saying I thought a really
Speaker 1: long time that the only way to express my sexuality
Speaker 1: as being a female, that like other females was to
Speaker 1: be like super masculine. I had a short hair, and
Speaker 1: I had all the things. I just didn't know any better.
Speaker 1: I was just like learning as I was going along,
Speaker 1: and was very sheltered from all of that at a
Speaker 1: young age. So I went all in immediately. And now
Speaker 1: I'm just I can do whatever, and do whatever feels good,
Speaker 1: and dress however and act however, and it doesn't change
Speaker 1: how I feel on the inside. It's just as long
Speaker 1: as me I can be feminine, I can be to
Speaker 1: him what I can do whatever, as long as it
Speaker 1: feels like me. Yeah, as long as it's authentic. I know,
Speaker 1: for myself, I don't really see myself getting married or
Speaker 1: having children or doing that traditional thing. But how do
Speaker 1: you feel about that? Wow? To quote Journey loving the music, man,
Speaker 1: I know it's what it's supposed to be. I don't
Speaker 1: know right now. I'm married to music and I have
Speaker 1: been whatever happen, whatever happened. I'm like, I'm not against
Speaker 1: married if I'm happy and I love someone, sure, But
Speaker 1: right now my main thing is my spirituality, my music,
Speaker 1: and like doing what is right for me right now,
Speaker 1: I'm too young to think about that about kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no kids. Maybe, yeah, I can tell you. I'm many kids.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to give me your palm. Are you
Speaker 1: right handed? Yeah? I'm right handed. Two that's what it says.
Speaker 1: Maybe for no, definitely at least two. Oh god on kids, man,
Speaker 1: I think global warming needs to get figured out first,
Speaker 1: fair enough. I think we need to figure that. You
Speaker 1: could build an army. We couldn't build an army of
Speaker 1: like woke as kids to be the free thinkers and
Speaker 1: warriors of the next world. I'd be down for that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Red Table producers thought this would be fun, a
Speaker 1: little trip down memory lane. They a few photos of
Speaker 1: each of us from various stages in our lives. Let's
Speaker 1: go through that. Oh man, okay, wow, this was the
Speaker 1: mohawk days. I think I had some cuts on my
Speaker 1: wrist during that time. Actually I did the same thing
Speaker 1: to cover it up and be like, yeah that's fashion
Speaker 1: like and like I'm not bleeding into my wristband. I
Speaker 1: did the same thing. That was tough. Times these are bad.
Speaker 1: So no, I love your hair. I love your hair.
Speaker 1: I feel like the amount of die and perms from
Speaker 1: between both of us. It took so long to grow
Speaker 1: my hair, like keep it healthy exactly exactly move on
Speaker 1: from that and on this stage. You know, this stage
Speaker 1: was too much. I was like, eleven was so cool
Speaker 1: when you were eleven, But that was the one I
Speaker 1: looked like a nerd dude. It was had like a
Speaker 1: Harry Potter cloak that I wore to the airports, like
Speaker 1: I was so weird at leven. No, my mom did
Speaker 1: not want me wearing these shirts because you remember when
Speaker 1: Odd Future was like new and upcoming and they had
Speaker 1: six six six and the upside down crosses and everything
Speaker 1: on their stuff. So she was like, you can't wear this,
Speaker 1: and I was like yes, Like yeah, mom, nice good
Speaker 1: old rebellion. Yes for years ago. What was your emotional
Speaker 1: state in this time? I was not very happy and
Speaker 1: this was taken as you can see. I was going
Speaker 1: through it and finding them just not the best coping skills.
Speaker 1: And this was when I was very disconnected from my
Speaker 1: spirituality and my music. I feel like we connected during
Speaker 1: this time. We didn't. Yeah, we did connect during this time.
Speaker 1: I feel like we've come into each other's lives at
Speaker 1: such formative times. I love this. This whole outfit was
Speaker 1: not the vibe. No, I didn't feel very cute, and
Speaker 1: I just wanted to do something different. That's why I
Speaker 1: got this, this weave, and I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: think it worked out great. I don't get a lot though,
Speaker 1: thank you. Oh my god, look just oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: I just like Goddess much. Goddess addressed address was like
Speaker 1: fifty pounds. I feel like you were doing good, very
Speaker 1: it was very fright. Yeah, I was chilling, then I
Speaker 1: was I was chilling. That was right after I adopted
Speaker 1: my dog and and rescued her. How many dogs do
Speaker 1: you have? Now? Have one? And then I rescued a
Speaker 1: cat last year. I changed his name from Fredo to Frodo.
Speaker 1: He's an old Maiji thing and I love him. So
Speaker 1: they both cuddled with me at night. They get along.
Speaker 1: Grade we need to get our animals together because I
Speaker 1: have three cats and one dog. I don't know how
Speaker 1: Frodo does with other cats. But chill with this is
Speaker 1: giving the stem vibes. I love that always. I was
Speaker 1: in a good place emotionally here, but I was nervous
Speaker 1: out of my mind because I had never been half
Speaker 1: naked on a spinning table before. In front of that
Speaker 1: would be pretty. It was. I was like Yo, what
Speaker 1: am I doing? This is crazy? You look amazing here.
Speaker 1: That was probably, I want to say, three years ago.
Speaker 1: I probably wasn't in the best day totally, but I've
Speaker 1: been doing the modeling thing for a while, so I
Speaker 1: was just like, I think I was just going through
Speaker 1: the motions here. Yes, this is with David la Chapelle.
Speaker 1: That was a really cool. Shoot, my goodness, you look
Speaker 1: like a Pleadian, like you look like a light being
Speaker 1: told that I am Palladian, which I think is a
Speaker 1: total compliment. You strike me as an Atlantean. Really, I've
Speaker 1: been told that, Yes, I definitely feel like an Atlantean.
Speaker 1: And Woodsy Ferry the Artiste fam wanted to get in
Speaker 1: on our combo. We've got a few viewers standing by
Speaker 1: with questions. All right, run it first. Up we have
Speaker 1: Sonya from California. What's going on? Sonja? All Right? So
Speaker 1: I lost my dad when I was three years old,
Speaker 1: and the only memory I have of him is being
Speaker 1: at his funeral, which is really odd. And I have
Speaker 1: my mom, who I lost at twelve, and I fell out.
Speaker 1: All my memories I have with her or just dreamed.
Speaker 1: They didn't even feel real. When I talked to people
Speaker 1: about her. So I want to know for you, what
Speaker 1: was something you did or that you do to keep
Speaker 1: your memories alive with your father. Um, I take the
Speaker 1: positive things that I learned from him, the good morals
Speaker 1: that I learned, and try and use them every day. Humility, compassion, tolerance,
Speaker 1: just being kind to other people, even if it's someone
Speaker 1: that did you wrong, to pray for them and and
Speaker 1: be kind to them, to be kind to yourself. That's
Speaker 1: just a very standard way that I keep that memory
Speaker 1: alive and do what I can to make him proud.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that. Thank you so much. Okay, So, hey,
Speaker 1: we have Mike in Virginia. How are y'all doing today? Good?
Speaker 1: Before I start, I just want to say that the
Speaker 1: mugs are given today, y'all are beautiful. I'm living it.
Speaker 1: I'm living it perfect. Okay. So I'm in a bit
Speaker 1: of a situation. So I have been dating these two
Speaker 1: guys and unfortunately one has found out about the other
Speaker 1: and now he's making me choose between the two. So
Speaker 1: I need a little bit advice from y'all, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know whether I should choose one or don't choose
Speaker 1: one at all? Can I can? I hop in on
Speaker 1: this one. Go for it. Maybe you all go out
Speaker 1: and have coffee together and maybe you know, maybe you
Speaker 1: all can be together. Maybe they maybe they wouldn't be
Speaker 1: upset about that, or maybe they would. I think transparency
Speaker 1: is key, being honest is key, and be as loving
Speaker 1: as you can. What do you think, Paris? This is
Speaker 1: a tricky one because my my solution for this is
Speaker 1: not the easiest. I would try and take the approach
Speaker 1: of doing the least harmful thing, and if that means
Speaker 1: not having either of them, then take the route of
Speaker 1: least harm and open communications, see what, see what they want,
Speaker 1: even if it means you don't get what you want
Speaker 1: and not putting your needs in there in the mix,
Speaker 1: and make amends for whatever wrong that was done. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I can. I can go with both of those. I
Speaker 1: can go with both of those. That sound doable. Does
Speaker 1: that sound I can say? I can? I can pull
Speaker 1: and pull from both there. I want to make something work.
Speaker 1: This gonna do the least amount of harm. Goods of luck.
Speaker 1: We're rooting for you. Up next, we have Mina from
Speaker 1: New Jersey. I willow hype Paris. My question actually has
Speaker 1: to do with depression ever since the pandemic hit, like
Speaker 1: you know, it would kind of come in waves, but
Speaker 1: now it just seems like it's a sad day every
Speaker 1: single day. How do you turn that pain off and
Speaker 1: just find that happiness within yourself again? And what drives
Speaker 1: you to get out of bed? It's a lot easier
Speaker 1: than done. So I'm gonna have to ask you to
Speaker 1: bear with me. I'm sure you've heard me mention the
Speaker 1: word radical acceptance, which is a practice I try and
Speaker 1: work on a lot um, the idea that everything happens
Speaker 1: for a reason. And sometimes when I pray, I just
Speaker 1: ask for the unnecessary pain to be taken away from me.
Speaker 1: But the pain has made me grow, and then I
Speaker 1: grow and I work hard and I get through it,
Speaker 1: and then I've got a little like lollipop at the
Speaker 1: end of the you know, light at the end of
Speaker 1: the tunnel. Some of the gnarliest things that have happened
Speaker 1: to me have shaped me. But what gets me out
Speaker 1: of bed in the morning is wanting to help other
Speaker 1: people and music. And some days I feel like your
Speaker 1: best is going to be better than others. But if
Speaker 1: you're trying your hardest and doing your best, like I think,
Speaker 1: I think you'll be okay. Yeah, I love that. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Not about a tear up to menest. I want to
Speaker 1: add my little yeah, my little nugget in there of
Speaker 1: just being patient with yourself and knowing and knowing that
Speaker 1: so much has happened in the world recently, and change
Speaker 1: is extremely difficult for our nervous systems and our brains
Speaker 1: to contend with. So I would just say love on
Speaker 1: your heart, and just hug on yourself and tell yourself
Speaker 1: that everything does pass. And just like Paris said, when
Speaker 1: you're genuinely authentically doing your best the universal lines. And
Speaker 1: I really hope that our that our advice helped helped
Speaker 1: you a little bit. Absolutely, I really felt it. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Next, we have Willow from North Carolina.
Speaker 1: He right, Willow, what do you have for us today? Willow? So,
Speaker 1: I come from a super redneck, super religious family on
Speaker 1: my dad's side, I'm bisexual. I've been in mixed race relationships.
Speaker 1: I honestly I don't even talk to them because of
Speaker 1: how close minded they are. Right now, So, how did
Speaker 1: you talk to your family about your life choices? Confidently,
Speaker 1: some of my family I talked to about it openly.
Speaker 1: Some of my family. I don't. I've reached a point
Speaker 1: right now where like I have love and respect for
Speaker 1: my family that believes their culture, their religion, and if
Speaker 1: I'm to expect them to set that aside just so
Speaker 1: I feel accepted, expectations lead to resentments for me. So
Speaker 1: I'll try and take the approach that what other people
Speaker 1: think of me is none of my business. And as
Speaker 1: long as I'm living a life of love and being
Speaker 1: of service and honesty, then and I'm not hurting other people,
Speaker 1: I think I think I'll be all right. You know
Speaker 1: that's beautiful. When I'm really trying to hit the depths
Speaker 1: with someone, like when I'm trying to like get them
Speaker 1: to really see my perspective, I always try to be
Speaker 1: as vulnerable as possible and even preface it with like,
Speaker 1: I'm really afraid of how you're going to react right now.
Speaker 1: Like I know you're my family, and I know that
Speaker 1: you love me, and I love you, but I just
Speaker 1: I just need you to like be here for me
Speaker 1: right now for just while I'm saying this to you,
Speaker 1: and we can, you know, have our moment apart afterwards,
Speaker 1: and then we can come back together and you can
Speaker 1: tell me how you feel and we can talk about that,
Speaker 1: but I just really need this time to like pour
Speaker 1: out my heart to you and be honest to you
Speaker 1: right now. Okay. I like that. I like that a lot. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to try that one. Thank you, Willow,
Speaker 1: Willow to willow ha ha. Okay. I want to play
Speaker 1: a little game. You say the first thoughts that come
Speaker 1: to your mind when I when I say a word okay, future,
Speaker 1: right mm hmm, love, god, m life, death, m hmmm, uh, luxury, temporary, faith, everything,
Speaker 1: hey necessary, I said, Oh no, I'm feeling these right now. Failure,
Speaker 1: lesson mm hmmm, food, mm hmmm, addictive as sex, sometimes sacred,
Speaker 1: sometimes not. Well damn, yeah, there it is. Do I
Speaker 1: get to do that with you? Of course? Of course?
Speaker 1: Um beauty, subjective media, deceitful, true love, absolute truth sex.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of the ocean, like just ocean, cool girl,
Speaker 1: crush cut. I like this game. It's a great I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm learning a lot about myself. I feel
Speaker 1: like that's a cool game to play on like a
Speaker 1: first date, like to kind of just lay the land
Speaker 1: of their subconscious. I also want to talk about all
Speaker 1: your dad's I've always just thought you honestly inspired me
Speaker 1: because I was so scared that we both have we
Speaker 1: both have Metatron's que Yes, look at us with our
Speaker 1: sacred geometry. Dr Woo did this one. He did this one.
Speaker 1: Then I'm going to add on to it. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do the Viking compass will here. This is fire. I
Speaker 1: love the color. I want to get colors online. Do
Speaker 1: it one day. You need to tap me with your
Speaker 1: with your kid. And I also am going to get
Speaker 1: a stick and polke kit but I have machine. Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness. Next thing, you know, they're gonna be like
Speaker 1: Paris Jackson is now Willows a soul tattoo. I'm like
Speaker 1: pretty decent too. I'm not I'm not too bad. These
Speaker 1: are the ones that you did. Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 1: This one so I'm very proud of the other's a
Speaker 1: little jankie. I'm super proud of that one. You have
Speaker 1: to tap me. You have to tap me one day
Speaker 1: whenever we're wrapping up. But I heard you like to
Speaker 1: take stuff, little keepsakes from the sets that you visited.
Speaker 1: I still I still props. Yes, give us some examples.
Speaker 1: Take a bombing fluid off of the last set with
Speaker 1: permission I asked the director and I asked the props guy.
Speaker 1: When I was on the set of the music video
Speaker 1: in Ohio, we found bones out in the woods, so
Speaker 1: I took there was a rib and then there was
Speaker 1: a bone that was in my bedroom at home. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like taking little keepsakes and little I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if what we're going to give you is going to
Speaker 1: be as cool as a bone, but which I'm a
Speaker 1: hoard or anything we do. Yeah, I got to my
Speaker 1: name on Yeah, that's amazing that you have your own
Speaker 1: personal red table talk customized thank you, T thank you,
Speaker 1: m H just thank you, like you're amazing, Like I
Speaker 1: just love you. I feel like it's been it's been
Speaker 1: a it's been a drastic evolution from when we first
Speaker 1: met and then just the ups and downs. I feel
Speaker 1: like you've really you've just done a beautiful job with yourself.
Speaker 1: I think I think that's really inspiring than you likewise
Speaker 1: until next time when you're tatting up my legs. Yes,
Speaker 1: or if you already back up vocals on a song,
Speaker 1: yes please? Oh, speaking of that, we should do that.
Speaker 1: What are you doing after this? Nothing? Should we just
Speaker 1: go to the studio? Awesome? I'm so excited for I
Speaker 1: want to throw in some seven Chords somewhere in se Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's nice. Good, Yeah, that's nice. I love that. Slash
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