1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: The Saint Louis Cardinals big series win over the Philadelphia Phillies. 2 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: They capped off the rubber match on Sunday with the 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: convincing seven oh shutout. Wilson Contreras, Homer, Jordan Walker did 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: the same. Matthew Libertore was excellent, and we're here to 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: break it down for you. Welcome back to Cardinals territory. 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: I am Katie Wu back with Bernie Nicholas again. Bernie, 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: it was I'm not sure that I would have thought 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: a series win was on the horizon after giving how 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: the Cardinals ended their road trip. 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: But hey, I guess I don't know ball because here 11 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 2: we have one. 12 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 3: Well long season. They anything can happened. But you know, 13 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 3: they hadn't beaten the Phillies in a season since twenty seventeen. 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 3: I know a lot of those players weren't part of 15 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 3: those teams, but I mean, they've just got smoked by 16 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 3: the Phillies. And then the Phillies coming to town. They 17 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 3: have no pitching on Friday and then Dak Wheeler on 18 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: Sunday and they lose both games. And I got to thinking, 19 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: because I got to think about what the right in 20 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 3: the morning, and it's like it's kind of like, oh, 21 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 3: those wacky Cardinals. You just never know what to expect 22 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 3: from them. Like when you think they're gonna be good, 23 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 3: like against the Pirates, they're not good. You know. When 24 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 3: you think when you think they're gonna get rolled over 25 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 3: by the Phillies, They're like, no, we're we're gonna beat 26 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: Nolan and we're gonna beat Wheeler. And the crazy thing 27 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 3: about this team is the games they've lost, a lot 28 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: of them have been to kind of just running the 29 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 3: mills starting pitchers. But you know, they've beaten Pablo Lopez, 30 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 3: They've beaten Paul Skeyens, They've beaten Aaron Nola, They've beaten 31 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 3: Zech Wheeler. It's like, scratch my head, go figure, I can't. 32 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 3: I don't figure. I can't figure these guys out. Sometimes 33 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 3: I guess that's a good thing. They keep it interesting. 34 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: They certainly keep it interesting. And I, like, you have 35 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: no idea what I'm watching every day. I just show 36 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: up and I'm here to enjoy. 37 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 2: But I did thought. 38 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: I thought that we saw some really a well pitched 39 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: series across the board. And I thought you saw three 40 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: starters from the Cardinals under Plante, Miles Michaelis and Matthew 41 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: Libertre who needed to take some steps forward or at 42 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: least show some progress, all in different ways, all for 43 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: different reasons, and they did exactly that. And the Athletic 44 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: tomorrow will have a breakdown of how all three starts 45 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: from Polonte, Michaelis and Libertore helped the Cardinals lock up 46 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: that big series win over the Phillies. 47 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: Look, that's a tough those team. 48 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: They can hit, and given that matchup of Nola, Sanchez Wheeler, 49 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: I thought this could have gotten ugly Bush Jadium. But 50 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: to shut out the Phillies, not once but twice. What 51 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: nice job from that pitching staff. 52 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 3: The Cardinals two least experienced starting pitchers, Andrea Polante and 53 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 3: Matthew Libertor, are not in that order. Libby's the youngest, 54 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 3: but anyway, in chronological order, so Aaron so Andre Polante 55 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 3: is the second youngest Cardinals starter. He clearly out pitched 56 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: Aaron Nola the other night, and Aaron Nola was really good. 57 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 3: And then libittor, Wow, what a performance on Sunday and 58 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 3: he outpitch Sack Wheeler. Who's what is he a top 59 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 3: five starter in the Major League Baseball? I think he is, 60 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 3: That's what I mean, see, those things are really good signs. 61 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 3: And I think the Cardinals like their second time through 62 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 3: the rotation this year was awful. The RA was over 63 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 3: ten the first time through. It was good, second time 64 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: a disaster. Third time through, I think it was a 65 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 3: one twenty seven or one twenty ninety RA. Their starters 66 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 3: only allowed four runs and three were given up by Michaels, 67 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 3: which means the other four guys gave up one run 68 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: between them. I mean, once again, it's like, go figure. 69 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I don't. I don't rule out that 70 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 3: they'll get some good starts, but that good. I mean so, 71 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 3: I guess we could say, Katie, the consistency will be 72 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 3: the big question because we have seen what they're capable 73 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 3: of doing on both sides of the ball, as they 74 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 3: say in football, right, I mean, we've seen them pitch 75 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 3: at a high level. We've seen them hit at a 76 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 3: high level. Then one one area kind of recedes and 77 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: the other one sort of goes up. It's kind of 78 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: fun to watch, but they're they're nuts. I mean, I 79 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 3: just they've got a kind of identity that sort of 80 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: swerves all over the place. I like watching the team, though. 81 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: It's definitely an interesting team to watch, and I feel 82 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: like this is going to be a maddening season in 83 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: terms of not that the product is an enjoyable I've actually, 84 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: over the first fifteen games, found this to be a 85 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: very enjoyable product to watch. I think it's just the consistency. 86 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: I think that's the perfect word to describe it. I 87 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: think they're going to have some highs and they're going 88 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: to be some lows. And this is a team that's 89 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: balancing winning and development simultaneously, which means they're going to 90 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: have games that they win and they're gonna have games 91 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: that they lose. And either way it's you know, oh 92 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: we're developing, or oh we need to win. And I 93 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: think that's the exhausting part. But all things considered, after 94 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: fifteen games, the Cardinals are seven and eight. They're right 95 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: about where I thought they'd be to start the season. 96 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: I didn't expect it to be so many hills. But 97 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: if that's the way that this Cardinals team is going 98 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: to play out over the season, at least we will 99 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: not be bored. 100 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 3: And I want to ask you something because you were 101 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 3: obviously down there and you were talking to the pitchers, 102 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: but Matthew Libertor was so impressive today, so impressive, and 103 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: I have actually liked him at all three starts, even 104 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 3: though maybe the you know, they arn't run weren't good. 105 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 3: But I'm just the way he went at it, the 106 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 3: way he went at it, like his aggressive mindset, and 107 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 3: you could see his confidence growing at each start. But 108 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 3: today the dude was just in charge. And as you 109 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 3: mentioned a minute ago, the Phillies have some great bats 110 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 3: in that lineup, and the dude was just in charge. 111 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: It was just like, you know, no, no, no, no, no, 112 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 3: there'll be none of that. Today I got this one. 113 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 3: And the way he was painting the outside corner with 114 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 3: strikes like all three or four pitches, but his three 115 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 3: primary pitches, he was just painting the outside corner. He 116 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 3: was putting it out of reach. That was just a wonderful, 117 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 3: wonderful thing to see because I, like you, I have 118 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: really felt for this guy because of the yo yo 119 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 3: they put him on and he never knew he was 120 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: a starting relieving And I want to ask you a question, 121 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 3: how much is this just the fact that they, for 122 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 3: the first time ever, they've said to him, in effect, 123 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 3: you're in the rotation, we believe in you go get them. 124 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: I think it's huge, and that's part of the reason 125 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: they're doing this the way that they are. It's part 126 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: of the reason. When one of the Cardinals camp and 127 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: Allie Marmal said, Matthew Libertore is our fifth starter, he 128 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: was adamant. He doubled down and said, this is not 129 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: a spot start opportunity. This is not something where we 130 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: throw him in there for a month and reevaluate. We 131 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: are going to give him the chance to be a 132 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: legitimate starter where he's not questioning his role. He's not 133 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: questioning if he's going to go back down to Memphis 134 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: after a bad start. We're giving him the runway. If 135 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: he struggles, he's going to have the opportunity to pitch 136 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: through it. And talking to Livy, that was the exact 137 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: question I asked him today postgame, was how does clarity 138 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: about your role really help you and continue to help 139 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: your grow and your progression. And he says, you know, 140 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: it's allowed him to completely reevaluate how he does his processes, how. 141 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 2: He prepares for starts. 142 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: He said, now that I have a more clear runway 143 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: of what I'm doing, everything else is then much easier 144 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: to fall into place and to game plan and that 145 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: just just wonders for guys like this, and in a 146 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: season like this transitioneer that Saint Louis has said is happening, 147 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: this is the exact time to try this out with 148 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: Matthew Libertorre. I understand the reluctance at first, maybe from 149 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: the fan perspective because he was so effective in that relief. 150 00:06:58,680 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: Role in twenty twenty four. 151 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: But if you are trying to figure out who is 152 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,679 Speaker 1: on your roster and who you can build around given 153 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: the astronomically high prices of starting pitching, if you believe 154 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: that you have someone in your organization that can pitch 155 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: as a starter at the major league level right now, 156 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: you need to see what you have in him and 157 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: if that is a legitimate reality, and it's worth three 158 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: starts in. I've been encouraged, but a lot of season 159 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: to go. But again, this is exactly the type of 160 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: decisions you should be making for the Cardinals in this 161 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: transition year. And I really like the early returns on 162 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: Matthew Liberture so far. I think he's really helped by 163 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: understanding and having a clear usage and a clear plan. 164 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's so important that he establishes himself as 165 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: a starter for twenty twenty six, where the Cardinals go 166 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: into laten the season and start looking ahead to next 167 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Libby's in. What's so we got him there? 168 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: See and you mentioned it. The cost starting pitching is ridiculous. 169 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 3: The Cardinals have not developed enough of their own, not 170 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 3: not even close. It's been pretty much a drought. But 171 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: you can always find relievers, and so I know Libby's 172 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 3: been was effective in the bullpen, but you can always 173 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 3: find those guys. My goodness, the Cardinals found a gem 174 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 3: in film Meyton. Oh and I'm exaggerating intentionally, but they 175 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: signed him like five hours before the season started, you know. 176 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 3: And they're always out there, and you can always take 177 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: guys you have in your own system and convert them 178 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: to relievers like at Tocoo Robie for example. I'm not 179 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 3: saying I'm just offering hypotheticals guys like that. They have 180 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 3: some guys in the miners that they can plug in 181 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 3: I think later in the season. So no to establish 182 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 3: a Libertore if they can as a guy that's a 183 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 3: definite piece of the rotation next year. That's exactly what 184 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 3: a Runway season supposed to be about, and that would 185 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 3: be a really big check mark on sort of things 186 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 3: to do in the off season. They'd already done it 187 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 3: if he's going to be one of their starters in 188 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 3: twenty six I. 189 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: Couldn't agree with you more, Bernie, and there's a couple 190 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: more pitchers. I would like to have it a little 191 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: bit more of Polante and michaelis first, though. Let's hear 192 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: from our pals at Nutrible. That's not even the right number. 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Now why that spelling of the name, It's 225 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 3: because they the owner owned a chain of family owned 226 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 3: business a chain of drug stores in the Kansas City area, 227 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 3: Cats Drugs or Cat's Pharmacy, whatever it is, and he 228 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 3: he the family also owned this minor league team, and 229 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 3: I think there's another one in Chicago or something. But anyway, 230 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 3: I don't know if I should plug those sight or 231 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 3: not let them. They can pay for some time here 232 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 3: one Felt Territory in Cardinal Territory. But no, uh, there's 233 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 3: a site that's got all all of these replica classic hats. 234 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 3: Some of them are like really obscure, like this. I 235 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 3: just love that stuff. But when I saw that, I 236 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 3: was like, yeah, right off, we have we have five cats, 237 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 3: and we keep rescuing him, and yeah, I'm gonna I'm 238 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 3: gonna wear this proudly. 239 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: Right I can hear my cat. 240 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: She's so mad at me right now because I came home, 241 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: I went to Bush, did the game, went out to 242 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: Marylin Heights to do Channel four for their Sunday Sports show, 243 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: walked in my door, threw my purse down, picked her up, 244 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: and put her in my room up and started this podcast. 245 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: And she is mad. She wants attention, but she's gonna 246 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 2: have to wait. 247 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 3: So you'll make up for it. 248 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: Make Yeah, we'll talk. 249 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: Let's talk briefly about the jobs that Andre Polante did 250 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: and Miles michaelis as well. Polante, that's seven innings, two hits, 251 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: four strikeouts. It was by no means his ideal situation. 252 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: Mason Winley in the first inning with back spasms. We'll 253 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: have more on that later in the show. And all 254 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you have your ideal infield alignment of 255 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: Thomas de jac and Pedro Pajes at shortstop in second base, 256 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: and Polante is now throwing to a catcher Joel Poso, 257 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: who he has never worked with before, and this all 258 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: takes place over the course of an inning change. Brendan 259 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: Donovan probably the first and last time we'll see him 260 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: at DH and talking to Alie this morning, you know, 261 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: a couple of days had passed and they'd won the game, 262 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: so we're allowed to make fun of him. Sat down 263 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: in the chair and I was like, so, first and 264 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: last time you make Donna your. 265 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 2: DH, right, and he just gave me the slogans shut up. 266 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: But like the method behind that was coming off the 267 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: scheduled off day was to give Donnie a day and 268 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: a half of rest, right, Otherwise we'd have never seen 269 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,719 Speaker 1: that and just so happened to be the time that 270 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: Mason win gets pulled after, you know, the third out 271 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: of the game. 272 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 2: So Polonte. 273 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: The reason that they just didn't put Donovan in at 274 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: short was because they would have lost a DH and 275 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you have Polonte hitting. You 276 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: don't want that he had. I don't think he's taken 277 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: in bat since twenty two, so I thought he did 278 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: a nice job with all the exterior factors. Nothing ideal 279 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: about that game, just locking in and pitching. 280 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: I want to commend that. 281 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: And then Miles Michaelis, I'm going to get some flak 282 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: for this. I don't think pitched poorly on Saturday. You know, 283 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: some calls didn't go asway. That should have been strike 284 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: three against Kyle Schwarber before the Nick Castiano's double, But 285 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: that's baseball. 286 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: I don't want to get too hung up on that. 287 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: I thought how Michaelis recovered after that, retired twelve straight, 288 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: struck out five six total on the day, was much 289 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: more effective with sequencing, with command. He's not necessarily a 290 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: swing and miss guy, as you know, Bernie, but he 291 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: certainly has that. I mean he's struck out eight, struck 292 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: out eight nine guys before. 293 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 2: He's just efficient. He prefers the early contact. We contact 294 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: early in counts. 295 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: But one thing that they're working on, as you and 296 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: I both know, is because Miles throws so many strikes 297 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: and is so continuously in the zone, it's easy to 298 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: square him up. 299 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 2: So when he gets to an O two one two count, 300 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 2: he's purposely missing. 301 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: He's purposely throwing ball something he's never done before in 302 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: his career, and he's essentially on learning all the things 303 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: that he learned in his career. That can be hard 304 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: to do for a thirty six year old veteran. But 305 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: I thought on Saturday, sure, the line isn't much to 306 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: write home about three and runs over five Indians. But 307 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: I thought he pitched really well given what the Cardinals 308 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: are trying to have him do, and he certainly seemed 309 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: a lot more confident after the game. 310 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 3: Talking to him, Well, I try to be fair, and 311 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 3: you know i've been. I've been kind of ruthless. That's 312 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: too hard on myself, actually, I've been just Hey, the 313 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 3: stats are the stats, yeah, and the stats have been 314 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: horrible for a long time. And you know, when you're 315 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 3: down near the bottom, like bottom three in Era since 316 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 3: it started twenty twenty three, and you're down at the 317 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: bottom and like strikeout right, swing at miss rate, that's 318 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 3: pretty established that the things you have going for you 319 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 3: are not working very well and you're you're not capable 320 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 3: of getting throwing pitches by hitters, And you know, if 321 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 3: that happens for a month, you say, well, that's just 322 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: a phase. This this has been going on for two 323 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 3: plus years. So to be fair, that was a different 324 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 3: guy on Saturday because the swing and miss was there. 325 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 3: The strikeouts when he needed him were there. Now can 326 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 3: he keep it up? It sounds to me and I 327 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 3: can't wait to read your piece in the Athletic tomorrow. 328 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 3: It sounds like they have found some things you mentioned sequencing, 329 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 3: maybe the way he uses certain pitches depending on counts, 330 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 3: and maybe they're trying some different things with him. But 331 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 3: I take that. I got to give him credit. That 332 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 3: was a good start. I mean, that was a legitimate 333 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 3: good start. I'm like you, I don't really care what 334 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 3: the line score says or the you know, the pitching 335 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: line says, because yeah, bad bad balls and strike guy 336 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 3: behind the plate the other day. But you know what, 337 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 3: but after that, he kind of shut it down. You know, 338 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 3: except for maybe one one more run. He kind of 339 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 3: shut it down. He overcame it, as you pointed out. 340 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 3: So I like the way pitt I'm going to be 341 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 3: a little skeptical. And I seen him repeat repeat that 342 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 3: a few times. 343 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, repeatability is key here. 344 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: And one thing that I have grown to appreciate about 345 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: Miles is that he's candid and he's honest about every start. 346 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: And talking to him on Saturday, he said, you know, 347 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: I feel a little bit more convicted. I feel a 348 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: little bit more sure of the plan, more confidence, and 349 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: that really helps. Uh. I'll be interested to see what 350 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: Miles has to say. He will be a guest next week. 351 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: I believe that episode will drop Wednesday, so stay tuned. 352 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: But I think repeatability is key here. I'm not saying, oh, 353 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: Miles michaelas is fixed because he had one, you know, 354 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: all things considered, decent start, But in terms of what 355 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: he's trying to work on with Dusty Blake is incorporating 356 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: and their and their plan, a lot of steps in 357 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: the right direction for Miles michaelis. 358 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm sorry that I wanted to circle back briefly 359 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 3: on one thing. There's a lot of rage, uh, I know, 360 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 3: go figure rage on social media. You know, I'm surprised 361 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 3: a lot of rage about Donovan being the d H 362 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 3: and uh, you know, even in the comment section at 363 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 3: the Athletic under your story about the wind injury. Yeah, 364 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 3: and I'm you know, Ollie took a risk there, but 365 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 3: it's hard to explain. It wasn't something that I was 366 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 3: getting all bent out of shape about or just like 367 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 3: looking racing racing to x to just start, you know, 368 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 3: blasting the guy. You said what needed to be said. 369 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 3: He probably won't do that again. I don't blame him 370 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 3: for doing at that time. I mean, Mason Win has 371 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 3: been indestructible just about and you know they do have 372 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 3: Sir j C up here and no one would want 373 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 3: to see c j C playing shortstop twenty games in 374 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 3: a row. But he did a fine job the other night. 375 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 3: So it's one of those things where okay, Olly tried 376 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 3: something Donovan d H maybe to give him a little 377 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 3: bit of a breather, and lo and behold, Mason Win 378 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 3: gets hurt. Did it cost them? Did it cost them 379 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 3: the game? 380 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: No? 381 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 3: Did it cost them and he runs in the field. No, 382 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 3: So he was resourceful enough to figure out what to 383 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 3: do after that. To me, that was impressive. You know, 384 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 3: we can question the decision to use him as a DH, 385 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 3: but he had contingents. He's lined up in the contingent, 386 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 3: he's worked. So what, I'm sorry, what's the problem. 387 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: The only problem is that we didn't get to see 388 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: page Pa has turned double play. 389 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 3: I know, that's right. 390 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: I was begging for six four to three double play. 391 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: I actually kind of wanted to see a five four 392 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: three because I think that's probably the most complicated one 393 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: to turn. 394 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 2: But alas, I did not get what I wanted. But 395 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: that's all right, no, I you know, it was a 396 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 2: weird series. 397 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: I don't know how the Cardinals won that Friday game, 398 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: but they took care of business. 399 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 2: And I think they're in good shape into the Houston series. 400 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 3: And how I'm sorry, I'm like, I'm like, so so 401 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 3: jacked up about this. I almost I interrupted again, bad meat. 402 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 3: Just mute me, just mute me. Anyway, how about these catchers? 403 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is really funny. Actually, you 404 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 3: know it's not only Okay Herrera awesome, just offensively awesome. 405 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 3: And then Pie Hayes Katie Wu called it. You know, 406 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 3: it was actually capable of hitting a lot better than 407 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 3: we assume. They signed this guy out of nowhere. I 408 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 3: had no idea who he was, and all of a sudden, 409 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 3: both of these guys are hitting up a storm, and 410 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 3: you know, and then one of them is playing second base, 411 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 3: and it's like it's like, whatever you need to do, 412 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 3: they'll do it. They're they're hitting their playing defense, They're oh, 413 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,719 Speaker 3: I need an emergency second basement, get on out there. 414 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 3: I mean, what are they gonna do? It's really it's 415 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 3: really interesting to see, like what a strength this catching 416 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 3: position is. All of a sudden, you know, where they 417 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 3: have options and they funny. It's funny. It's funny, it 418 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 3: really is. I won't interrupt anymore. 419 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: You're fine, Bertie. There are no rules on this podcast, 420 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: as you know maybe there. If there were, I would 421 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: have my my life here a little bit more. Let's 422 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: let's take a break. We'll hear from the fan Duel 423 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: Sports Network, and then we'll launch right into the Mason 424 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: Wind discourse. 425 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: Stay with us, Me out too. 426 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 3: A band now, Yeah, watching and not be eyes. 427 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 6: I'm just bullets room. 428 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 3: For the Cardinals. 429 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 6: Sports, the Cardinals, the Birds on. 430 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: The stream. 431 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: Cardinals games, Chippin' Brad Birds on the bat. What more 432 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: could you ask for? You can, as you know, find 433 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 1: your Cardinals on FanDuel Sports Network. They are streamable now, 434 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: So that's exciting. Something not super exciting is that Mason 435 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: Winn did land on the injured list. 436 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 2: You know this by now already. 437 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: He's eligible to return off the ten day IL April 438 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: twenty second. I believe that's the second game against Atlanta 439 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. Good news first is that this doesn't seem 440 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: to be something more than the normal designation where the 441 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: Cardinals don't think he's going to miss that much time. 442 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: I know Mason came out Friday, and I was hesitant 443 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: to tweet this out because players only have so much say, 444 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: but he said it. Mason Win came out Friday and 445 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, my back flared up. I turned up 446 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: early and Nolan Arnatto and I said I got to 447 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: come out of this game. And then he told the 448 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: trainers that he would not be going on the IL, 449 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: that he was just going to miss a couple of days. 450 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: But it's not always that easy as a player saying 451 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: yes and no and talking to Ollie Marmal the next morning, 452 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: it was both Allie and Mason knew it was going 453 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: to be more than a couple of days before he 454 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: was ready. They don't want to push him in early April. 455 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: Weather's cold. New York is about to be freezing. I 456 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: think I haven't checked. 457 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: The weather, but it looks like it and it was 458 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 2: more or less. 459 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: The big issue here on why Mason went on the 460 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: IL was because his back spasms were flaring up and 461 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: causing him to impact his pregame routine. Normally, when you 462 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: have a back injury or clearly any kind of injury 463 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: where something's bothering you, you kind of lessen your workload 464 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 1: pregame and then you come into the game. 465 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 2: So that you can go all out, all for whatever 466 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: you have. But that's not what the Cardinals want for Mason. 467 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: That's not what's best for Mason long term, so they 468 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: put him on the injured list and they're going to 469 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: patchwork with Thomas the JC and Brendan Donovan. 470 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 2: We talked about this. 471 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: There's no true shortstop, but it's not like the Jayc's 472 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: never played it before. He played shortstop for seventy games 473 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: from Memphis last season. I think the big issue here, 474 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: or the bigger question, is how often our backs are finicky, 475 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: So how often. Is this going to continue being a 476 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: problem with Mason right now? Though it seems like he's 477 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: not going to miss much time, and that's a good 478 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: thing all things considered. 479 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a problem with it last year, and 480 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 3: he missed some games here and there, and I thought 481 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 3: Ali Marma was early responsible for giving him, you know, 482 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 3: a couple of days off here and there when he 483 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 3: really needed it. And I know Mason Wynn is a 484 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 3: prideful guy and a great competitor and a high intensity player, 485 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 3: really terrific player. And I know he wants to play 486 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty two games. I don't know that 487 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 3: that's good for him or you know, most major league 488 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 3: position players. I think everybody needs to get away from 489 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 3: it from now, you know, every now and then. So 490 00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 3: my question that I would have is, I don't think 491 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 3: I don't think the Cardinals are going to overreact to 492 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 3: one relatively minor setback. But do they need a backup shortstop, 493 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 3: like someone who really has played the position, or because 494 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 3: this is a runway season, does it make sense to 495 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 3: just say, well, we got a good look at him 496 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 3: at shortstop at Memphis last year. Hey, we have no 497 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 3: problem using him as a backup shortstop this year. We 498 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 3: can also play in some other positions. Now, I don't 499 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 3: know if they're willing to commit to to JC, because 500 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 3: I know what they would say, Well, we don't want 501 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 3: him up here unless he's going to be playing a lot. 502 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 3: Well he can also you can move him around, so 503 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 3: he could probably play more than you think. But I 504 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 3: don't think they'll go that way. But I'm just wondering, 505 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 3: is that something worth considering, especially if it means you 506 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 3: educate me because I'm probably missing this. If you keep 507 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 3: to JAC, does that mean Siani's gone? You know, like 508 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 3: I don't like who's subtracted, is what I'm trying to say. 509 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: I you know, I think there's reasons as so. I 510 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: mean we could have gone with, you know, as someone 511 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: Michael Sianni. But at the start of the season, you 512 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: know why did he make the roster and always been 513 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: clear it's for defensive replacement reasons. I just haven't seen 514 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: that opportunity come up too often after the opening series. 515 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: But I think you're right about s JC. I think 516 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: that makes sense to keep him up on the roster 517 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: right now. He can play shortstop, he can play second base. 518 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 2: Third if you need it. Although the Cardinals have like 519 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 2: six third basement already, all of them most of them 520 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 2: play out a position. 521 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 3: Now. 522 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: I think with s JCE offensively, he's also a guy 523 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: that where he's not going to necessarily hit for power, 524 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: he's got a good contact right he puts the ball 525 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: in play, you might as well see what you have 526 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: with him when he has this rare opportunity. Given how 527 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: the lineup is constructed to play mostly every day, we 528 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: know how the Cardinals are going to structure this. It 529 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: won't be a strict platoon, but most times, if it's 530 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: a lefty starter, you'll see s JC at short and 531 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: Donovan at second. If it's a righty starter, you're going 532 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: to see Donovan at short, Nolan Gorman at second. Nolan 533 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: Gorman will have an opportunity to hit against some lefties. 534 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: That's part of the plan, but they also want to 535 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: get some reps for s JC too. I have zero 536 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: issue with how the team is patchworking this until Mason 537 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 1: comes back. Now Mason was missing or scheduled to miss 538 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: more than two weeks of the season, I'd kind of 539 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: be like, I don't know, And it's not like the 540 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: Cardinals have. 541 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: This heavy swing and miss pitching staff. 542 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: Having a solid middle endfield is important given how much 543 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: weak contact they generate and how much of that is 544 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: part of the starting pitching and most of the rotations game. 545 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: It's not the most ideal situation. Really, nothing about the 546 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: roster has been. But I get it for whether or it's. 547 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 2: A fine solution given the amount of time Mason is 548 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:31,239 Speaker 2: slated to miss. 549 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 3: And so Jason gives you another right handed bat. You're 550 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 3: over loaded with left handed bed so it gives you 551 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 3: a little balance. But again, I think it is important 552 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 3: that he plays pretty regularly. So we'll just see how 553 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 3: this develops during the course of the season, you know, 554 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 3: but we'll see. Yeah, he's shown that he's not scared 555 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 3: as they say. You know, he comes up here and 556 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,719 Speaker 3: he's poised and he's done well that experience he got. 557 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: Yes, because it's not an easy thing to come in 558 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: and that you're going to be somewhat of eventual and 559 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: stay prepared. But you're seeing guys like Luke and Baker 560 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: really take their time and really figure out a way 561 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: with their prep work to stay ready. I thought Burlassen 562 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: coming off the bench when needed has been nice and 563 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,479 Speaker 1: I you know, small sample sized fan Nolan Gorman so far, 564 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: but it's not you know, it's fine again, it's fine 565 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: for what they're doing. Obviously, you want Mason back as 566 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: soon as possible. It's a different lineup without Herrera and 567 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: Mason Wyn because you're missing Herrera's overall back to all skills, 568 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: you're missing his power, Mason and Victory. 569 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 2: We talk about that speed dynamic at the end of 570 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 2: the lineup, but with. 571 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: Contrera's scuffling, Herrera's place was even more pivotal. So it 572 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: was nice to see Wilson Contrera's kind of come out 573 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: of it this weekend. Humble Flex and some background for 574 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: those of you who are so interested in how the 575 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: bushet and press box works. When I was an intern 576 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: in San Diego in twenty eighteen, the writers there played 577 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: a little game called Yard, and you hear the rules. 578 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 2: You get one pitch a game to call yard. That's it, 579 00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 2: and you don't. 580 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: As soon as you say it, you can't take it back. 581 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: You win absolutely nothing. By the way, it's just bragging rights. 582 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: So I have bought that game to Saint Louis. Jeff 583 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: Jones has won the last two years in a row. 584 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: I was in a drought in twenty twenty two, I 585 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: won nothing except bragging rights because I had four yard 586 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,479 Speaker 1: calls in a season. I used all four of them 587 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: on Albert Pools. Don't hate the player, hate the game. 588 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: It was a great strategy. But since then I have 589 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: gone over for two whole seasons until today when I 590 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: saw Wilson Contreras three to one against Zach Wheeler, and 591 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: I knew Zach Wheeler was going to have to throw 592 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: him at fastball. And I knew Wilson Contreras knew that 593 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: Zach Wheeler was gonna have to throw him at fastball, 594 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: and he did, and I went over the fence. 595 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 2: So I'm officially on the board. 596 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: I actually think my correct like the direct sentence on 597 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: contact was put my name on the freaking board, boys, EXU, 598 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: I didn't say freaking And yeah, that's why people are 599 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: continuously tired of me at work. 600 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 3: Well, I need to hear more about this. So how 601 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 3: do you make sure you declare yourselves without people not 602 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 3: hearing it or not sure what you said? Does one 603 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 3: when you're you're about to call yard? Does one? Whether 604 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 3: it be Katie Woo or any of the other fine 605 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 3: baseball writers there, do you have to like stand out, 606 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 3: stand up in your seat and scream it out, like 607 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 3: how does this works in the yard, and you. 608 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: Make sure some if no one acknowledges it, like I personally, 609 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to risk it. I need to make 610 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: sure someone acknowledges it. So this was Benjamin Hawkman was 611 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: like Katie called it. So everyone was all on alert. 612 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: And then everyone was definitely on alert based off my reaction. 613 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: No cheering in the press box obviously, but I was 614 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: cheering for myself. 615 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, harbless game, harmless game. 616 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 2: Yes, why not? 617 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, that was I'm positive. I feel very positive 618 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: about what where Wilson Contraras is at. And he definitely 619 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: talking to his post game was pretty positive too. It 620 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: was funny on Friday, that scheduled off day he had, 621 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: he was in the clubhouse and there were like three 622 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: boxes of bats that he was clearing out of his locker. 623 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 2: I looked a him, I was like, are you out 624 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 2: on those? 625 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: He goes, yep, they're going away, bye bye, And he 626 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: got rid of like I don't have to say twenty 627 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: bats and he's like, I'm not using them anymore now 628 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: He's using a torpedo bat, started using that on Saturday, 629 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: so he was officially the fever and it seems to 630 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:02,239 Speaker 1: be paying off so far. 631 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 3: Anybody else using it there Donovan. 632 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: Used something similar, not an exact torpedo bat, but I 633 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: think from my understanding, Conteris is the first one in 634 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: that clubhouse to use the real deal there. 635 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 3: Why not? It's obviously it's obviously legal, there's nothing shady 636 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 3: about it. You know, friend will Leach you who I do, 637 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 3: seeing Red with a podcast every Monday morning about the Cardinals. 638 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 3: You know, he wrote a great column for the Washington 639 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 3: Post and he was talking about, Hey, I love baseball 640 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 3: fans because I am one of them. So he wasn't 641 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 3: like putting down baseball fans, but he was saying, what 642 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 3: is it about baseball where fans just like constantly or 643 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 3: just like things become a scandal, Like immediately, you know, 644 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 3: this is a scandal. All this this this is not good. 645 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 3: They can't allow this, and it's just and he actually 646 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 3: he actually went through a history this like every single 647 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 3: time you know, baseball fans getting an uproar over something, 648 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 3: you know, it's a sc it's a scandal. They're violating 649 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 3: the spirit of the rule. They're doing this, They're doing 650 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 3: that and where will is kind of like, you know, 651 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 3: most of these things that you know, we as fans 652 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 3: holler about their fun and they're harmless. So enjoy the game. 653 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 3: Quit looking for scandals that don't exist. 654 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: We are supposed to enjoy baseball every ting, And I know, 655 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: I know how you feel. We're all in a toxic 656 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: relationship with the Sand Louis Cardinals, all of us. But 657 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: it is a sport and we should try to enjoy it. 658 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: And that is something that I am reminding myself of 659 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: every day. But I really had to remind myself after 660 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: that road trip, which I'm finally recovering from. 661 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 3: But yeah, and I think they're enjoyable to watch there. 662 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 3: They're also baffling at times, they're exasperating at times, but 663 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 3: they keep it interesting. And that's kind of been a 664 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 3: theme of the season because you know, when you think 665 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 3: you got them boxed in about what to expect, to 666 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 3: go the other way, you know, they zig and the zagg. 667 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 3: They're all over the place. But that's what's kind of fun. 668 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 3: But it looked like the vibe in that dugout today 669 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 3: was pretty pretty great. I mean, it looked like a 670 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 3: party time, which you want to see in that dugout 671 00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 3: when they're having a good game. 672 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like keeping it fun. The worst thing, as 673 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: you know as a b writer, is having a boring team. 674 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: And I don't know if we have like an I'll 675 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: Pennant team on our hands burning, but they are given 676 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: all the things that are going on at least interesting. 677 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 3: Well, the NL Central, every team's got problems. The Cubs 678 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 3: are losing Justin Steele for the year, Tommy John surgery. 679 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 3: Every single team in the NL Central has got problems. 680 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 3: So I'm not again I'm like you, I always have 681 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 3: to feel like I'm going to preface everything. I'm not 682 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 3: saying the Cardinals can win the division. I'm just saying 683 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 3: everyone's sort of taking a couple steps forward, one step back, 684 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 3: two step backs to forward. Everyone in the division is 685 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 3: kind of doing that. So the Cardinals are fortunate to 686 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 3: just you know, grind out enough wins to where they're 687 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 3: in the thicket things. They're in a position to make 688 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 3: the best of it if they're capable of consistent ball. 689 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 3: They're keeping themselves in the game, so to speak. 690 00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 2: And I like that. 691 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,479 Speaker 3: It's never too early to establish yourself as like, well, 692 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 3: we're not going to let this thing get away from us. 693 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 3: We're going to we're going to We're going to be here. 694 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 3: We're going to be right in the middle of this. 695 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 3: For whatever that's worth. 696 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: I like that. 697 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 3: It makes it. It makes the season more interesting even early. 698 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 2: It does, Yeah, definitely. 699 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: And if the Cardinals hover around five hundred, I know 700 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: fans are They've been conditioned, and I totally get it 701 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: to expect a lot more than that from their local 702 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: ball club. But given what the Cardinals are doing right now, 703 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: given how off the rails things have been behind the 704 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: scenes and player development where they're at, and from a 705 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: financial standpoint, if the Cardinals can stay five hundred in April, 706 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: the division allows for that, and then they can make more, 707 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: you know, they can make choices depending on how the 708 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: season goes. That should allow them to remain in contention. 709 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: That is, of course, unless they don't. If they claim out, 710 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: then we're not talking about it, and they could season. Bernie, 711 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: we have so many games left. It's only April thirteenth. 712 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 3: So that's right, we got thirteenth, all right. Well, yeah, 713 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 3: I still think they're going to be a you know 714 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 3: about it, somewhere from seventy nine to like eighty two, wins. 715 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 3: I'm not going to come off that yet, but I 716 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 3: think they've got some components that might be better than 717 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 3: I thought, at least so far. Then again, coming into today, 718 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 3: their last five games they average like two and a 719 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 3: half runs, So I mean, you know, the offense had 720 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 3: been shut down before today, starting in the Pittsburgh series. 721 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 3: So again, we're going to see a lot of fluctuations. 722 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 3: I got to try I should know better at my age. 723 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 3: I got to try not to basically overreact to the 724 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 3: negative or the positive because it's going to be like 725 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 3: that all year. They're going to be going back and 726 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 3: forth between those two things. 727 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you want consistency, this is not the ball 728 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: club for you, right, this is don't expect that, So 729 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: you'll be on your toes. 730 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 2: At least. Last thing, Bertie, before we head out for. 731 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: The day, I want to highlight the player to watch 732 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: for the upcoming series against the Houston Astros. 733 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 2: We'll have an episode up Monday morning. By the way, I. 734 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: Crossover with Crushety Territory Chandler Rome, a beat writer for 735 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: The Athletic covering the Astros, and I will take it 736 00:33:59,040 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: through that series. 737 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 2: But now here's what. 738 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: I'm looking at our fantual Sports Network player to watch 739 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: going into the series. For me, it's Nolan Gorman because 740 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: all spring, all off season, and then in a spring 741 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: training we heard Nolan Gorman. 742 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 2: We need to see what we have in Nolan Gorman. 743 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 2: We need to give him a chance to play every day. 744 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 2: This is a huge year for him, and so far 745 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 2: we haven't really seen much of him. Now part of 746 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 2: that was because he was outplayed in spring training. 747 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: Alec Berlson absolutely deserved to be up necessary like on 748 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: the totem pole, if you will, based off spring performance. 749 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: The missing ten games with the minor hamstring strain didn't 750 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: help either. But as Oli Marmal said, and as we 751 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: referenced earlier in the show, Gorman's going to have some 752 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: opportunity here to start every day, and I really would 753 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: like to see where he's at from a pure hitter profile. 754 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: He's so strong, has so much power. Anytime you have 755 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: a player like that, swing and miss is going to 756 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: be part of their game. Obviously, you don't want it 757 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,439 Speaker 1: to be nearly forty percent. So I'd like to see 758 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: if Brenton Brown's approach, which is seemed to rub off 759 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: on quite literally everybody else down. That lineup has also 760 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: off on Nolan Gorman, and I'm excited to see what 761 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 1: he does with consistent playing time in Mason Win's absence. 762 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 3: My player to watch would be Wilson Conterras because he's 763 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 3: feeling it. I mean, he was just lost and we 764 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 3: all knew he would it would click in eventually, and 765 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 3: he's feeling it. I mean watching him today, you know, 766 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 3: it was just, oh, okay, he's back. You get this 767 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 3: body hit, his body language, his smiles, his emotion, everything, 768 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 3: it was all restored. So I'm looking forward to I 769 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 3: just got a feeling about him and we can People 770 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 3: can make fun of me if I'm wrong. I don't 771 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 3: mind that because I like self deprecating humor, so you 772 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 3: can take shots at me. It doesn't matter. It just 773 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 3: looks like he's about to go on one of those runs, 774 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 3: you know, So I'm looking at least I'm looking for 775 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 3: that to happen, so we'll see. 776 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 2: I'm with you. 777 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 1: I thought the single on Saturday to right center, that 778 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 1: was my first indicator that I was like, oh, that's 779 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: we might be coming back. Because when Wilson Conterra's is 780 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: at his best, he's driving the ball to that part 781 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: of the ballpark, and then the homer was loud, the 782 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: double off the wall was loud, and the demeanor was 783 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: comply different. I thought Wilson did a really nice job 784 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: of keeping his composure. That was not a fun two 785 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: weeks to start the season, but he should have every 786 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: day in the same goofy mood. Always had something to 787 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: say to me like why are you looking at me? 788 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: I'm not but just playing around, and you know, kept 789 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: it really loose and in seasons prior, I don't think 790 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: you would have done that. So Nolan Gorman and Wilson 791 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 1: contraras two players to watch with this upcoming series. 792 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 2: Again that's our player to watch. 793 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: Presented by FanDuel Sports Network, you can now stream the 794 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: Saint Louis Cardinals game through Fanuel Sports Network and if 795 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,879 Speaker 1: you use the promo code Baseball thirty, you can start 796 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: it off with a thirty day extended free trial at 797 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: fanduelsportsnetwork dot com slash packages. The steel expires May second, 798 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, nineteen ninety nine, a month after your 799 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,760 Speaker 1: free trial canceled. 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Like I met, a 808 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: new episode of a crossover I think this is my 809 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: first crossover podcast with Crush the Territory, and then an 810 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: interview with Miles Michaelis That should be out by Wednesday, 811 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: and Bernie and I will wrap up the Astros series 812 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 1: shortly after that. As always, my friend, it's good to 813 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: talk to you the vibes after a big series win 814 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: for Saint Louis, let's see if they can keep it going. 815 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 2: For Bertie Hucless, I'm Katie Wu. We'll see you next time.