WEBVTT - Nigeria with Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>Alz media.

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<v Speaker 2>For decades, people in northern Nigeria have been suffering the

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<v Speaker 2>violence of Jihadis. Groups in the region more recently fallen

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<v Speaker 2>the lobby in of some questionable interest groups and figures.

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<v Speaker 2>In the United States, President Donald Trump has dropped American

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<v Speaker 2>bombs on Nigeria and soil. What exactly is happening in Nigeria? Hello,

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<v Speaker 2>and welcomed it could happen here. I'm Andrew's age Andrew

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<v Speaker 2>Zoon YouTube and I'm joined again by James.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad we're doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>One yes to talk about what's been happening in Nigeria

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<v Speaker 2>since it has captured Trump's attention and thus Western media

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<v Speaker 2>interest as of late. So, first of all, what away

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<v Speaker 2>is Nigeria? According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, Nigeria's West African

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<v Speaker 2>country with a diverse geography and an even more diverse population,

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of languages, one hundreds of ethnic groups, several religions

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<v Speaker 2>in the most populous country in Africa and one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most populous countries in the world. Over two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and thirty nine million people called Nigeria home, and the

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<v Speaker 2>Nigerian aspora is well over ten million strong. Like much

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<v Speaker 2>of Africa, Nigeria is rich in natural resources, particularly petroleum

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<v Speaker 2>natural gas, but heavily exploited by international and local capital.

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<v Speaker 2>Thus much of its population. By some estimates, over half

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<v Speaker 2>of its population is considered multi dimensionally poor. Modern Nigeria

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<v Speaker 2>will stitch together from the British protectorates of Northern and

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<v Speaker 2>Southern Nigeria and again its political independence only recently in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty and become a republic in nineteen sixty three.

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<v Speaker 2>That North South divide is particularly relevant because it continues

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<v Speaker 2>to define Nigerian politics today. Nigeria split almost evenly between

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<v Speaker 2>its Christian population, which dominates the South, and its Muslim population,

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<v Speaker 2>which dominates the North. Alongside ethnic, linguistic and other political divisions,

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<v Speaker 2>corruption and all the other backage of a typical Neo

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<v Speaker 2>colony has made Nigerian politics quite the powderkeg of some time.

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<v Speaker 2>They have been tragic and deadly episodes of political and

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<v Speaker 2>religious violence throughout Nigeria's history, going in both directions, including

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen eighty seven crisis in Karduna State, and the

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<v Speaker 2>early two thousands had several notorious riots and massacres as well,

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<v Speaker 2>including the Yelowa massacre and the Josh riots, linking the

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<v Speaker 2>show notes for the details on those. Since two thousand nine, however,

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<v Speaker 2>militant Islamist group Bokoharam has engaged in a protracted insudency

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<v Speaker 2>against Nigerian government and terrorized the Christian and Muslim population

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<v Speaker 2>through bombings, assassinations and abductions with the overall intent of

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<v Speaker 2>establishing an Islamic breakaway state in North Nigeria. For the

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<v Speaker 2>past few months, there has been a considered effort to

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<v Speaker 2>paint a narrative of Christian genocide in Nigeria, a narrative

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<v Speaker 2>that has long been co signed by the likes of

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump. So back in twenty eighteen, Trump had actually

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<v Speaker 2>called out the killing of Christians in Nigeria, yet stop

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<v Speaker 2>short of calling to genocide. But according to an article

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<v Speaker 2>by Ayula Babbolula on the myth of Christian genocide, it

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<v Speaker 2>was not long after Nigeria and Vice President Kashim Shatima's

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<v Speaker 2>September twenty twenty five remarks at the eightieth session of

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<v Speaker 2>the UN General Assembly, where he reasserted Nigeria's long standing

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<v Speaker 2>saudiarity with Palestine, that the Western, largely pro Israel far

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<v Speaker 2>right began the campaign of claiming Christian genocide in Nigeria.

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<v Speaker 2>In his address, Shatima did mention the problem with Anigeria

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<v Speaker 2>has happened with extremism, but these commentators are run with

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<v Speaker 2>a much more specific narrative. The same people who deny

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<v Speaker 2>the past Ddian genocide and prop up the mythical white

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<v Speaker 2>genocide in South Africa have gone on to push this

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<v Speaker 2>Christian genocide story. Bill Meyer, the guy who still can't

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<v Speaker 2>prove the claims he made about October seventh, has gone

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<v Speaker 2>on to tell people that what's happening in Nigeria is,

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<v Speaker 2>to paraphrasee so much more of a genocide than what's

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<v Speaker 2>happening in Khaza end code. In late October and lead

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<v Speaker 2>November twent twenty five, Trump tweeted that Christianity is facing

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<v Speaker 2>an existential threat in Nigeria, name Nigeria as a country

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<v Speaker 2>of particular concern and announced to the United States was ready,

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<v Speaker 2>willing and able to save our great Christian population around

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<v Speaker 2>the world. And for some reason, Nicki Minaj is out

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<v Speaker 2>there back in Trump's Christian persecution narrative as well. Perfect

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<v Speaker 2>why are you in it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Just to be clear for anyone, wh's not the

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<v Speaker 1>way Nicki minij not a person from Nigeria or with

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<v Speaker 1>any particular insight into the situation there.

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<v Speaker 2>She's also not Trier Nadia, and I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>clear that up. Yes, her certificate is from the Republic

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<v Speaker 2>a Trinans vehicle, but we do not claim since her

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<v Speaker 2>statements about how COVID and and the vaccine and her

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<v Speaker 2>cousin's balls like, from that moment onward, people who have

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<v Speaker 2>been like distancing themselves from her entry and at anyway

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<v Speaker 2>I can see why. So in November twenty five, according

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<v Speaker 2>to a bb report, Trump also said that he would

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<v Speaker 2>send troops into Nigeria guns are blazing if its government

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<v Speaker 2>continues to allow the killing of Christians. Then in December

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five, according to another BBC report, the US has

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<v Speaker 2>launched strikes on the twenty fifth of December as a

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas present against Montans in the Islamic State Group in

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<v Speaker 2>northwestern Nigeria. What should be noted though, is they did

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<v Speaker 2>not strike Bokoharam, which is based in northeast Nigeria.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was really interesting to look at the bill

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<v Speaker 1>that I wrote about this bit for my newsletter. But

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<v Speaker 1>the US was flying intelligence gathering flights essentially for some

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<v Speaker 1>time of a Nigeria right clearly like they must have

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<v Speaker 1>it's some kind of agreement with the Nigerian government to

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<v Speaker 1>allow this right. But they were clearly trying to identify

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<v Speaker 1>where it's wap and Bachaharam were and like you could

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<v Speaker 1>see them winding up to this strike. The oh I

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<v Speaker 1>guess they waited to Christmas Day to go for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so there was the most present of the

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<v Speaker 2>US woman there. Yeah, and this happened less than a

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<v Speaker 2>week by the way, after the Alliance of Sahel States

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<v Speaker 2>that being Bikina, Faso, Niger and Mali commissioned a joint

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<v Speaker 2>military force of five thousand counter terrorists. And that move

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<v Speaker 2>was following the Economic Community of West African States or

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<v Speaker 2>equa's plan to launch a two hundred and sixty one

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<v Speaker 2>thousand member counter terrorism force. So there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>military action happened in West Africa right now, coming from

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<v Speaker 2>the inside and the outside. In a January twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six report, Trump claimed quote, I'd love to make it

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<v Speaker 2>a one time strike, but if they continue to kill Christians,

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<v Speaker 2>it will be a many times strike. End Coode. Trump

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<v Speaker 2>has also accused the Nigerian government as I said of

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<v Speaker 2>repeatedly failing to protect Christians. So Trump is a known

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<v Speaker 2>liar to take everything he says with a grain of salt,

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<v Speaker 2>as is the rest of his administration generally really characterist

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<v Speaker 2>politicians and pundits. So let me break down what is

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<v Speaker 2>actually happening in Nigeria. The Nigerian government has said that Muslims,

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<v Speaker 2>Christians and those of no faith alike are targeted. According

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<v Speaker 2>to Ayula Aawaalula, the government of Nigeria is indeed failing

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<v Speaker 2>to adequately address the devastation being rught against communities in Nigeria.

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<v Speaker 2>But critically, it is not religious nature, or rather religion

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<v Speaker 2>is only a part of the picture. It can't be

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<v Speaker 2>used to explain the whole story on the ground. So

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<v Speaker 2>there are several groups where you can have in northern Nigeria.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a few different Islamic state affiliated groups, yeah

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<v Speaker 2>Fokoharam which is the main one. And you also have

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<v Speaker 2>the conflict between the Fulani herdsmen who are mostly Muslim

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<v Speaker 2>and various farming groups who may be Christian or Muslim.

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<v Speaker 2>So whether hoodsmen are considered that kind of conflict has

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<v Speaker 2>actually been taking place between the hooders and the settled

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<v Speaker 2>people for literal centuries. The only difference is that now

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<v Speaker 2>you have them carrying AK forty sevens in serves just

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<v Speaker 2>sticks and machetes. Yeah, how they got those AK forty

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<v Speaker 2>sevens is really thanks to the history of the West's

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<v Speaker 2>intervention in Africa, but we'll get to that in a moment. Critically, though,

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<v Speaker 2>if you step outside of the religious freeman, you would

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<v Speaker 2>see a criminal, economic, and political motivation behind these actions.

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<v Speaker 2>They may be going after land, or want to extract ransom,

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<v Speaker 2>or pursue a particular political goal. The Muslims in North

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<v Speaker 2>Nigeria are not safe just because they're Muslim. Bokoharam's victims

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<v Speaker 2>are mostly Muslim because Bokharam's target is anyone who stands

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<v Speaker 2>between them and their political aims. Everyone who isn't Pokoharam

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<v Speaker 2>or aligned with Islamic state West African Province is considered

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<v Speaker 2>an enemy. One article on Trump's beef with Nigeria by

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<v Speaker 2>Yusuf Bangura talks about six types of violence in the country.

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<v Speaker 2>We have the Bokoharam is Limits inspired violence in the Northeast,

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<v Speaker 2>whose means terms of Muslims who reject the groups is

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<v Speaker 2>themist ideology. They have the banditry in the Northwest which

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<v Speaker 2>affects Muslims and Christians, and equal measure, they have the

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<v Speaker 2>herd of farmer conflict in the Middle Belt which affects

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<v Speaker 2>Christians and Muslims, or the reports indicated Christians are the

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<v Speaker 2>main victims of that violence. You have the herder farmer

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<v Speaker 2>violence in the Northwest, which is distinct from the hood

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<v Speaker 2>of farmer violence in the Middle Belt. So the one

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<v Speaker 2>in the northwest has full Lani hooders reports they pitched

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<v Speaker 2>against Hauser farmers and both groups are Muslim. You have

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<v Speaker 2>the violence inflicted by the indigenous people of Biafra and

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<v Speaker 2>bandits in the east against their own people, Ebos, who

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<v Speaker 2>are Christian. And you also have general panditry in large

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<v Speaker 2>parts of the country which has rendered traveling by roads

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<v Speaker 2>between cities very risky. So there's been a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>Western attention drawn suggest some of the victims the churches,

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<v Speaker 2>the church leaders, and the Christian communities, even though mosques

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<v Speaker 2>and imams and Muslim communities and animists have also been devastated,

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<v Speaker 2>to turn their multifaceted violence into a narrative of targeted

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<v Speaker 2>anti Christian violence, seemingly at least from the Trump and

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<v Speaker 2>Zionist camp for the purpose of demonizing Muslims, and I

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<v Speaker 2>guess in some convoluted way weaken in global support for

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinians because Partians are also Muslims, so they're all the same.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, that's just speculation on my part. Even

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<v Speaker 2>Christian leaders in Nigeria have been calling out this framant,

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<v Speaker 2>though Archbishop Matthew man OsO Ndagoso was quoted extensively in

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<v Speaker 2>an article for Aid to the Chase and Need, which

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<v Speaker 2>is an international Catholic organization. Rather than pinning the blame

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<v Speaker 2>on Islam, he said, in the Northwest, the farmers are

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<v Speaker 2>mostly Muslims and they also have conflicts with the Fulani.

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<v Speaker 2>As moved the Middle Belt, it is enhancing most by Christians,

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<v Speaker 2>so there will most likely be a Christian farm. Religion

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<v Speaker 2>and ethnicity have very sensitive problems in Nigeria. They're always

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<v Speaker 2>used for convenience, but primarily this conflict is not religious.

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<v Speaker 2>I am absolutely sure. If you apply for a job

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't get it, you might say you were

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<v Speaker 2>rejective because you are a Christian, and the same for Muslims.

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<v Speaker 2>Opportunists such as politicians use these factors to their own advantage,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you go to the route, you discover is

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<v Speaker 2>little or nothing to his religion end.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote sex and analysis from the church. I'm surprised going

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<v Speaker 1>from that source that I'm glad it did you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Catholic change of all places.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So he even claims that the kidnappings of priests have

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<v Speaker 2>little to do with religion. And I'll quote him again,

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<v Speaker 2>in the last three years, seven of my priests have

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<v Speaker 2>been kidnapped, two have been killed, and one has been

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<v Speaker 2>in captivity for three years and two months. Four released

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<v Speaker 2>in fifty of my parishes. Priests cannot stay in directories

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<v Speaker 2>because they are targets. They are seen as an easy

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<v Speaker 2>source of money for a ransom. So he's emphasizing there

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<v Speaker 2>that it's really about the money that the churches perceived

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to provide to these caidnappers, more so

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<v Speaker 2>than any religious targeting in particular. Of course, that is

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<v Speaker 2>only one archbishop's perspective on the situation. I think Bablo

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<v Speaker 2>makes an important point in his article on the myth

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<v Speaker 2>that I would like to quote as well. Crucially, Christians

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<v Speaker 2>at times become the chosen targets in particular assaults. Churches

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<v Speaker 2>have been attacked during worship pre subducted, and entire Christian

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<v Speaker 2>villages raised in Plateau, Venu and southern Karduna. These episodes

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<v Speaker 2>are not separate from the general crisis, but are rather

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<v Speaker 2>moments when Christian identity is weaponized to mark a community

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<v Speaker 2>for terror. In this sense, Christians bear both the general

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<v Speaker 2>weight of insecurity is shared by all Nigerians and the

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<v Speaker 2>sharper trauma of faith based targeting in sytant attacks. But

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<v Speaker 2>Babla doesn't forget that these groups terror as a severe

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<v Speaker 2>impact on the Muslims as well. The fact he makes

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<v Speaker 2>an important comparison I wanted to highlight, which is that

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<v Speaker 2>in areas ravaged by armed groups, the first victims tend

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<v Speaker 2>to be those who have religious or ethnic groups in

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<v Speaker 2>common with the militants, killed because they are seen as

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<v Speaker 2>infidels or not noble enough or not committed enough to

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of that movement. If you look at the

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<v Speaker 2>history of Zionism, it's released. For example, before they found

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<v Speaker 2>in of the state of Israel, there were bombings of

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<v Speaker 2>several Jewish heritage sites across the Middle East, and records

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<v Speaker 2>have later showed that they were carried out by terroristic

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish gangs who sort to instill a fair in Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>communities across the region, to so discord between the Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>communities and their neighbors for the purpose of forcing them

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<v Speaker 2>to abandon these released on states and relocate to Israel

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<v Speaker 2>to further Israel's economic and geopolitical codes. Yeah, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>not unheard of for a group to target its own

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<v Speaker 2>correligionists for its geopolitical economic combusshures.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. If we talk about specifically the Islamic state in

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<v Speaker 1>Iraq and Syria, right, isis as opposed to the Islamic

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<v Speaker 1>State in West Africa, like get killed more Muslims than

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<v Speaker 1>anyone else, right, Exactly, those were the bulk of the

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<v Speaker 1>people it murdered.

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<v Speaker 2>We could even look at a very old historical example,

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<v Speaker 2>the Latin Crusade. We had all these Christians from Europe

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<v Speaker 2>going on a crusade, and because they didn't get paid,

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<v Speaker 2>they decided to ransack their core religionis in Greece and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in the wider Businestee Empire and eventually you know,

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<v Speaker 2>deconstruct business empire entirely and establish their own Latin Empire.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So I didn't want to gloss over the real challenges

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<v Speaker 2>that Christians specifically are facing in North Nigeria, though since

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety nine, sharial law has been introduced and enforced

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<v Speaker 2>in twelve northern states, and according to the same archbishops

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<v Speaker 2>that I quoted earlier, this has ensured the religious persecution

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<v Speaker 2>in the North is systemic. He said, and I quote,

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot build a church. Even if you buy a land,

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<v Speaker 2>you cannot get a permission of occupancy, and therefore you

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<v Speaker 2>cannot build. In many of these states, you don't allow

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<v Speaker 2>the teaching of Christianity. Get the government employees and pays

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<v Speaker 2>emams to teach in schools every year. They have money

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<v Speaker 2>to build mosques in the budget, but they will not

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<v Speaker 2>let you build churches. If I stay, there's a university

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<v Speaker 2>and across the street there are five mosques, no church.

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<v Speaker 2>Who wanted to build one, they didn't allow it. If

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<v Speaker 2>you build the church with a permission, the government can

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<v Speaker 2>tear it down. And this is what we are going through.

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<v Speaker 2>It is serious. We want our government to be held

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<v Speaker 2>accountable for people to be treated equally end quote. So again,

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<v Speaker 2>religious conflict is still part of the picture, but not

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<v Speaker 2>in the way that Western governments are painted. What's happening

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<v Speaker 2>is these issues of being amplified by opportunists and far

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<v Speaker 2>right lobbyists, and as I established earlier, we should be

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<v Speaker 2>addressed in way these terror groups have even come from,

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<v Speaker 2>because the West's hands are not clean in that picture either.

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<v Speaker 2>Groups like al Qaeda and the Islamic State have known

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<v Speaker 2>connections in their history to Western medland An American policy

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<v Speaker 2>in Africa has at least indirectly on these groups thanks

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<v Speaker 2>to the fall of Gadaffi in Libya and the American

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<v Speaker 2>lede stabilization of other Muslim countries in Southwest Asia and

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<v Speaker 2>North Africa. The death squads are this Akys that is

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<v Speaker 2>boost across the Sahel region, victimizing Africans of world faith

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<v Speaker 2>or at least some of their firepower to that Western

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<v Speaker 2>inter venture. To the flow of arms coming out of Libya.

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<v Speaker 2>The West has repeatedly shown that it's our ka of

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<v Speaker 2>people's lives. So what is the real beef that Trump

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<v Speaker 2>and co. Have with Nigeria? While according to Bangoura's article,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is not feeling the fact that the US is

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<v Speaker 2>dependent on China for where it is and Nigeria is

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<v Speaker 2>very resource rich when it comes to earths like lithium, cobalt,

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<v Speaker 2>nickel and all that other stuff. Chinese companies have invested

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<v Speaker 2>more than one point three billion US dollars in Nigeria's

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<v Speaker 2>lithium processing industry, and Russia has growing leverage in the

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<v Speaker 2>region thanks to their involvement with Nizia, Bikina, Fasso, and Mali.

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<v Speaker 2>So in an effort to wean America all of China,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's been trying to after the deal the situation, so

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<v Speaker 2>he signed agreements in Southeast Asia to increase the production

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<v Speaker 2>and processing of raves and exports to the US. He

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<v Speaker 2>stepped into a broker peace deals code and code between

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<v Speaker 2>the DRC and Rwanda's the US can invest more in

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<v Speaker 2>the DRC's minerals. And what Trump rido like in Nigeria's

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<v Speaker 2>case is that Nigeria's President Tuinubu is not playing ball

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<v Speaker 2>with him, at least in this case. In Trump's eyes too,

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<v Speaker 2>will you not do enough to reverse Ja's military coup?

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<v Speaker 2>And ton Woo do not let the US relocate the

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<v Speaker 2>Nigerian military base to Nigeria. Tunubu also didn't let Trump

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<v Speaker 2>relocate deportees to Nigeria, even when Ghana, Rwanda, Esportini, Telzadan

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<v Speaker 2>and Uganda all accepted them. Furthermore, as established before, Nigeria

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<v Speaker 2>continues to condemn Israel's genocide in Gaza now when it

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<v Speaker 2>wants to, the US can intervene in other countries without

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<v Speaker 2>the talk of humanitarian itself. Because look at Guatemala nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifty four when they tried to implement some ladder reforms

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<v Speaker 2>and that went against the United Food Company's interests. So

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<v Speaker 2>the US invaded, and you also had the US willing

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<v Speaker 2>to simply support whatever opposition exists in the country, like

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<v Speaker 2>in the Congo in nineteen sixty one against Patriciala Mumba,

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<v Speaker 2>in Chile in nineteen seventy three against savadoy Inde, and

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<v Speaker 2>in Iran in nineteen fifty three against Mohammad Mosleg So

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<v Speaker 2>they will use humanitarian talk. Whether they use that talk

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<v Speaker 2>or not, the results tend to be disastrous for the

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<v Speaker 2>people in those countries. US intervention sucks pretty much everywhere Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan,

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<v Speaker 2>Somalia and more. Besides, so we can count on whatever

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<v Speaker 2>Trump attempts in Nigeria being an abject failure. More recently,

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<v Speaker 2>the United States announced it will be sending a military

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<v Speaker 2>team to Nigeria after a string of recent attacks that'd

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<v Speaker 2>be in two hundred troops. So we'll see what happens next.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's clear that US intervention is not the solution.

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<v Speaker 2>Its intentions are definitely malicious. So what can the future

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<v Speaker 2>be for the people of Nigeria? How can its people

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<v Speaker 2>be free? Obviously, the battle against these reactionary forces rages on,

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<v Speaker 2>but military solutions and militarization will not be enough. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>it carries some serious risk in the region as a

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<v Speaker 2>whole in terms of escalation. An article by ayodele o'labi

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<v Speaker 2>in Altazeerra recognize that with Nigeria's entanglement with the US

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<v Speaker 2>and the two hundred and sixty eight thousand strong Equa's force,

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<v Speaker 2>the AES is going to feel threatened, you know, as

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<v Speaker 2>it's trying to keep Western influence out of the region.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a danger of future EQUAS deployments overlapping with

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<v Speaker 2>AS operations and potentially lead into clashes. And if there

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<v Speaker 2>isn't a the escalation of tensions between Equas and AS,

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<v Speaker 2>we can end up seeing interstate wars that would devastate

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<v Speaker 2>communities in the region and gave the insurgents opportunities to

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<v Speaker 2>expand it could very well set up another roxy battleground

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<v Speaker 2>for global powers and some kind of new caused war.

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<v Speaker 2>So they have to find some way of avoiding this

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<v Speaker 2>clash and see if they can build a cooperative, security

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<v Speaker 2>free move despite their vastly different interests.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to a degree, we already see like global powers

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<v Speaker 1>right Like Russia has been honing its most horrific war

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<v Speaker 1>crimes in parts of West Africa for a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>right with it's like private military contractors exactly. Ukraine has

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<v Speaker 1>sent special forces to assist the people fighting against the

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<v Speaker 1>Russian private military contractors. Like we've seen Nigeria's own government

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<v Speaker 1>kill its own civilians and its counter terrorism operation. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>all of this just makes life less livable for people

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<v Speaker 1>who already like on the thick end of climate change

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<v Speaker 1>for one thing, and have suffered under centuries of colonialism

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<v Speaker 1>for another.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a geopolitic analysis post. In the long term,

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's much to be done to rebuild the

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<v Speaker 2>revolutionary front within Nigeria led by Nigerians themselves, to chart

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<v Speaker 2>another path for the future of the country away from

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<v Speaker 2>the status of vassalage. Yeah, you know, left and left

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<v Speaker 2>adjacent movements were very diminished in relevance and credibility after

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<v Speaker 2>the end of military rule in Nigeria in nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>nine due to several reasons that we could get into

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<v Speaker 2>at another time. But by the time we got to

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<v Speaker 2>the Ensar's movement in twenty twenty, left forces were present

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<v Speaker 2>but didn't have the level of organization and strategy necessary

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<v Speaker 2>to rise the occasion. But according to the article in

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<v Speaker 2>Progressive International by A. Eula Babbalola, there's potential for a resurgence.

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<v Speaker 2>The End Bad Governance movement had demonstrations in August October

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four which saw leftist groups like Take It

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<v Speaker 2>Back and the Socialist Workers League play a central role

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<v Speaker 2>in organizing and mobilizing protests. Unlike earlier moments, these groups

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<v Speaker 2>are ticket related, clearer demands, coordinated protest strategies, and attempted

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<v Speaker 2>to provide ideological direction. This is in spite of facing

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<v Speaker 2>crackdowns and arrests of key figures and left and progressive spaces.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, not everyone mobilizing against Nigeria's struggle in economic

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<v Speaker 2>and political conditions are committed to left or left adjacent ideas. Still,

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<v Speaker 2>the question remains unresolved. Can this renewed street level influence

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<v Speaker 2>be transformed into lasting organizational power, or will repeat the

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<v Speaker 2>cycle of vocalization followed by fragmentation that has littered movements

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<v Speaker 2>before it. This violence taking place in Nigeria is bound

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<v Speaker 2>up with the violence taking place across the world. Is

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<v Speaker 2>bound up in imperialist interests and capless interest, in status interests,

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<v Speaker 2>and in petty tyrant's interests. From Nigeria to Congo to

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<v Speaker 2>Sedan to Palestine, violence and suppression tactics wheeled in one

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<v Speaker 2>place often brought to another. Biblelula says in his article

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<v Speaker 2>that coult a genuine pursuit of justice must confront proximate

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<v Speaker 2>perpetrators as well as the transnational systems of power that

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<v Speaker 2>sustain them. What we must not allow is for the

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<v Speaker 2>global perpetrators of criminality and terror to tell the world

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<v Speaker 2>where to focus its attention and good. In other words,

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<v Speaker 2>to all at the perpetrators of these violences tell you

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<v Speaker 2>where to focus. We must look everywhere, look holistically at

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening, and put the power and solarity in the

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<v Speaker 2>hands of the people affected to resist that violence. That's

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<v Speaker 2>all I have to say. As usual, all powers, all

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<v Speaker 2>people peace.

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