1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace does a Disney trip turn deadly? 2 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you 3 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation in series 4 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: xm A one eleven. Take a list of first year 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: our friends at NBC four. People are really starting to 6 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: worry now because it has been so long since they 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: last saw her. Melissa Mulinari was seen leaving her house 8 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: this blue house over here on November twenty first. Today, 9 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: Suffolk detectives returned to the street, but not to the house. 10 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: They went over here to the water basin across the street, 11 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: where detectives and a canine went in there to search 12 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: for her. They were here for about an hour and 13 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: then they left. It didn't appear they found anything, but 14 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: they did bring the canine to the sump to search 15 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: for missing mother Melissa Mulinari. Please say the Mulinari is 16 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: thirty eight years old and last seen at her home 17 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: on November twenty first. She's a married mother of four children. 18 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: Police say she's about five four and one hundred and 19 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: twenty pounds. At this point, police won't say if her 20 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: disappearance is suspicious, only that her family, including her husband, 21 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: are cooperating the whole family trying to find the missing mom. 22 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: This after a Disney trip. What if anything went wrong again? 23 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grayson. I want to thank you for being 24 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation in Series one eleven, 25 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: with me at all Star panel to make sense of 26 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: what we know. First of all, high profile lawyer out 27 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 1: of Jacksonville, former fed with the FBI as an FBI agent, 28 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: Dale Carson at Dale Carson Law dot com. Author of 29 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: Arrest Proof Yourself. Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanos joining us 30 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: from Beverly Hills, Starving at series on Netflix, Bling Empire 31 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: and you can find her a doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. 32 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University and author 33 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Starving new series 34 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: on iHeart Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. But first, 35 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: let's go out to a special guest joining us from 36 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: Newsday as Jean Paul Salamanca. Jean Paul, thank you for 37 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 1: being with us. Tell me about the Disney trip. I'm 38 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: a diehard Disney fan. We practically lived at Disney, California 39 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: during Dancing with the Stars, We practically lived at Disney 40 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: in Florida during the top mont Casey Anthony trial. And 41 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: you know, there's nothing like a Disney cruise. So I'm 42 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: here Disney trip turns deadly question mark question mark. I 43 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: don't like the sound of that because I like taking 44 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: my children to Disney. But let's just start with the 45 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: Disney trip. Tell me about Melissa Mulana Mary's Disney trip. Well, 46 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: what the details that stuff? A County police had shared 47 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: with us the press conference where that apparently the family 48 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: had gone on the trip sometime in November and the 49 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: family her four children, Melissa and husband. Yes, apparently there 50 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: was a family vacation around November fifth. They had ended 51 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: their trip and left Disney and returned to Long Island. 52 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: Just a second, we think they left on November five, 53 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: and that, from my understanding, was cutting the vacation short. 54 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: And I don't like that either. And I'll tell you why, 55 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. You pull out of your hotel at 56 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: the last minute, you still have to pay for the 57 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: nights that you don't stay. Plus when you go to Disney. 58 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: I mean, we have some friends, doctor Bethany, and there's 59 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: some of our best friends and we've gone to Disney 60 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: a couple of times with them and their children. They 61 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: all know Disney like the back of their hands, know 62 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: all the secret Heidi holes, They know where to get 63 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: what do you call those pineapple whip doll whips? Doll whips. 64 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: They know every detail, and they plan it out like 65 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: it's war strategy. Like thank goodness, because we're just wandering 66 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: around looking at everything, but they know, Okay, we're gonna 67 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: get into this line, and then we're gonna go to this, 68 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: and then we're gonna cut over to that, and we're 69 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: just following along because it's so huge and it's so fun. 70 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: But if you leave early, if you've planned it out 71 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: like they do, you miss a whole lot of stuff. 72 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: Plus you have to pay all those fees because you 73 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: have to buy the tickets, buy the parking, get the hotel. 74 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: So that's one question, why would they do that? Second question, 75 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 1: why is it when I, like so many other people, 76 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: go to Disney, it seems like you suspend your disbelief 77 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: because everybody really is happy there and you never think 78 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: of anything bad happening at Disney? Why is that it's 79 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: the happiest place on earth? Nancy? You know the children 80 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: are happy, and because of that, the family's happy. The 81 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: parents are happy. The whole place is designed to be 82 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: a happy place for family. And you know, my philosophy 83 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: about life is that there is no happier place than 84 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: being in a happy family. So I think that that's 85 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: sort of at the center of it for me. But 86 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: you know, you're right, Nancy. There's this whole strategy for 87 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: any family vacation, whether you're going to Yosemite or a 88 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: national park, or Disneyland or on a cruise, it is 89 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: all planned out and each child, even if it's an adult, 90 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: teenager or m laten th child, they all have this 91 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: plan in their mind of what they're going to do, 92 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: what souvenir or are they going to buy? What favorite 93 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: food are they going to eat? So the mystery here is, 94 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: can I just tell you what we went through? Just 95 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: last spring we took John, Dave and Lucy to Disney 96 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: with our friends. I should really work at Disney and 97 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: be tour guides. But the whole trip down, all John 98 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: David could talk about was maybe you know about it, 99 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: Dell Carson, because you're there in Florida. There's some new Well. 100 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: I lived through it, there's a whole new Star Wars 101 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: area and it looks just like the Star Wars set. 102 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: It looks like you're on another planet and you can 103 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: go through and like build your own lightsaber. That's all 104 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:37,239 Speaker 1: he talked about. That was it. That was the goal, 105 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: the driving to Florida and that to get that lightsaber. 106 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: And Lucy, what did Lucy want to do? Lucy was 107 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: intent on getting a doll whip and something else. Anyway, 108 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: everything was around that when you could get into that 109 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: lightsaber workshop, and we were not gonna leave until he 110 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: got the lightsaber. And guess what, he got the lightsaber 111 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: and then he left it by accident. Oh yeah. My 112 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: point is, you know, Jean Paul Slimanica, when you came 113 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: on Crime Stories, I guess you didn't think we were 114 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: going to divert down into my son John David's lightsaber. 115 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: My point is, and this is important, Jean Paul, when 116 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: you go to trial on a case, these details matter. 117 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: Why would I ever leave Disney without that doll whip 118 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: and that lightsaber? Why why why I wouldn't I wouldn't leave. 119 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I checked to make sure 120 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: he had the lightsaber before we got back in the car. 121 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: He had a different thing he had bought in this case, 122 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: and I thought that was a lightsaber. Why would I 123 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: open up the case? Of course it was a lightsaber. 124 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: It wasn't the lightsaber. What go ahead? If I got 125 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: to add to this, you have four kids, ages four 126 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: through seventeen, so you have four sets of tears, four 127 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: sets of disappointment, four disillusions kids right when you leave 128 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: Disneyland early, so that even I'd been brought in four 129 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: to seventeen. And you know I'm digressing, Jean Paul, just 130 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: go with it. You're next. But I will never forget 131 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: the dichotomy talking about the how everybody's happy and when? 132 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: And I wrote a whole chapter on this in my 133 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 1: book Don't be a Victim of Jean Paul, about how 134 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: when you go on vacation, went to another country or 135 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: on a cruise or really anywhere, you are lulled into 136 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: a false sense of security and that makes you a 137 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: sitting duck for people that might want to victimize you. 138 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: But I will never forget doctor Bethany, and I do 139 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: need to shrink on this. I would be at Disney 140 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: during the day with the twins, and then you know, 141 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: I have so many videos of them chasing piglet and 142 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: eat or and only their tails and it just die lapping. 143 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: You know, that was the funniest they ever And then 144 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: I would leave there, Bethany and go to the courthouse 145 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: to sit in on testimony and the talk about Tasey 146 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: Anthony trial. I mean talk about a mind war because 147 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: it's reality versus fantasy. And I'm imagining Melissa Mulinary in Disney, 148 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: and you know, we don't know what happened to her, 149 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: but the fact is she was on in this happiest 150 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: place on Earth with her family. And I said earlier 151 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: that one of the reasons I think it is the 152 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: happiest place on Earth is that families are supposed to 153 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: be happy there. But the sad fact is not all 154 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: families are happy, and some families take their kids there 155 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: and then everybody's not happy. I mean, there's kind of 156 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: a choice to be happy. You wake up in the morning, 157 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: you got meals, you've got a job, you've got this, 158 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: you've got that. You can look at it like that, 159 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: or you can wake up and think, wow, I have 160 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: two children, boy, am I blast? I got a real 161 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: favor in my head. I've got something to eat. I 162 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: gotta cup of hot tea. I have a job, thank 163 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: God in Heaven that I love. I mean, there's two 164 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: ways to look at it. Absolutely or also I'm taking 165 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: my family to Disneyland because I'm dedicated to the happiness 166 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: of my family. You know, not everybody loves Disneyland. There's 167 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: some parents for whom it's a chore, and they take 168 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: their kids there anyway because the happiness of the kids 169 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: is paramount to them. And what you're saying, Nancy, is 170 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: so true. As a marital therapist psychoanalyst, you know, the 171 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: people in my practice who are happy are those who 172 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: determined to be happy. There's, in fact, there's very very 173 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: robust research on happiness and there are six factors that 174 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: make us happy or lead to happiness. But one of 175 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: the factors. Well, the factors are savoring and replaying happy moments, 176 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: living in the present, believing in a bright and optimistic future, 177 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: acts of gratitude and giving to others, but also acting 178 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: more extroverted and outgoing than you really are. This is 179 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: supported by research that all these factors lead to happiness. 180 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: And I would say that all these things are taking 181 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: place when a family goes to Disneyland. It actually fosters 182 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: those kinds of attitude that lead to happiness time stories 183 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace joining us from the usday as Jean 184 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: Paul Salamanca and you can find them on Twitter at 185 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: Jay Paul Salamanca. So they go to Disney and they 186 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: leave early. That would be the first thing our Chelli jury. 187 00:11:55,480 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: They cut the trip short, dragging their four children back 188 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: home to uh Long Island. I think it was sent 189 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: to reach New York. Okay, So they come home early. 190 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: Then what happens? Well, they come home early on November fifth, 191 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: and the last time that she's seen by you know, 192 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: alive is on December second, by she was reported missing 193 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: by a friend of hers to a police at that tay, whoa, 194 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: what did you just say? He was reported missing by 195 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: a friend of hers on December second? Was the last 196 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: time she was atue? You know? Oh December? Did you 197 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: say December two twelve? Two? Correct? Yes? Okay, right there, 198 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: John Paul, Right there, Delle Carson with four children on 199 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: a husband. Why is a friend having to report her missing? Well, 200 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 1: because of course he's saying that she took the stuff 201 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: and left and went away. And it's consistent with that 202 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: that he wouldn't report her missing because Salamanca, you didn't 203 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: tell me that I was about to get that actually 204 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: before you were so rudely interrupted by Jack. You go ahead, 205 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: John Paul, So he says what new. So according to 206 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: police and the prefaces that police clarified that this is 207 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: largely what Marcello, who that the husband had told them. 208 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: He told them that they've been having marital problems and 209 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: that she left the home after an argument on November 210 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: twenty second, and that she had returned then the next 211 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: day on November twenty three, to Pacra Close and left 212 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: with an unknown male and an unknown vehicle. Okay, hold on, 213 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: just to take a listen to our cut w oc 214 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: our friends at Newsday. The couple had had marital problems, 215 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: had cut short a family trip to Disney World in 216 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: early November. He claims she left the house on Monday, 217 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: November twenty second, after an argument. He also claims she 218 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: returned on Tuesday eleven, twenty three to pack her clothes, 219 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: and she left with an unknown in an unknown vehicle. 220 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: But wait a minute, even by his own words, that's 221 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: like the last time he heard from her. Take a 222 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: listen to Sonya Rincon ABC seven. He claims she called 223 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: him from an unknown number on Thanksgiving and told him 224 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: to cook dinner. So, Jean Paul Salomonca joining us from Newsday. 225 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: They cut the Disney trip short. They come back, and 226 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: then the husband is saying she left, then came back 227 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: packed up clothes and right there in front of God 228 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: and everybody in the front yard, leaves with another man, 229 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: but then thanks to call by on Thanksgiving to explain 230 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: how he should cook Thanksgiving dinner? Is that right so far? Yes? Exactly? Okay, 231 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: Jean Paul salomonca is joining me from Newsday. Can I 232 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: just ask you a question? What did you do on Thanksgiving? 233 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: They dinner with the family? Your family? Yes, do you 234 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: have children? Uh? No, it was it was largely my parents, 235 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: my aunt, and my brothers and my adorable Toyo Ni. 236 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, Why did you do that? 237 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: Why did you have Thanksgiving with your niece and your 238 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: whole family? Because it's it's an annual tradition, and like 239 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: anything else, I loved them. And though that's um for me, 240 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: that's kind of bigger than Christmas, Arena. Can I tell 241 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: you something, Jean Paul Salamanca, there is no way. Hell 242 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: would have to freeze over before I would not cook 243 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: a genio turkey and make my homemade dressing with celery 244 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: and onions and have grandberry sauce with the berries in it. 245 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: This year, I tried out for the first time homemade 246 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: pecan pie. And it's not about the food totally. It's 247 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: about being together and giving thanks for being together. So 248 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: you're telling me with a straight face. Is Jean Paul 249 00:15:54,440 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: Salomanca that the husband Marcella Millinary says his wife called 250 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving to tell him how to cook Thanksgiving dinner. 251 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: That's what police say that he told them that he 252 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: says that his wife calls from an unknown number on 253 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: that day and ask him to cook dinner. Delle Carson 254 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: Deale Carson. I know you're the high profile lawyer out 255 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: of Jacksonville, but I would have a field day basically 256 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: running up and down in front of the jury with 257 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: the fact that Melissa Mullinaire, who had never missed Thanksgiving 258 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: with her children ever, suddenly calls from an undisclosed phone 259 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: number to just basically tell the husband just stick the turkey, 260 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: the frozen turkey and the oven and turn it on. 261 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: You'll be fine. What in a situation like this, where 262 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: somebody doesn't show up for a standard traditional meal, there's 263 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: always an extreme question, particularly when it's the woman, and 264 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: particularly when it's a mother of four children who are 265 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: now absent a mother a precious holiday. And of course, 266 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: you know, Joe Scott Morgan, Professor forensics, you're all about 267 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: blood spider and fingerprints and uh mida condual DNA and 268 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: the nucleus and the root in the middle of a 269 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: root of a hair. I would take this evidence over 270 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: anything else that mommy doesn't show up for Thanksgiving. Yeah, 271 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. Mommy's gonna be present for Thanksgiving, Nancy. 272 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: I know that for a fact because in my house, 273 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: mommy dictates how things are going to be at Thanksgiving. 274 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: Thanks And you may be able to pick up, but 275 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: may be able to pick up a latent fingerprint, but 276 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: I bet she can could run circles around you baking 277 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: a turkey. I know her well, Actually, Amica, So mommy 278 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,479 Speaker 1: doesn't show up for Thanksgiving? Did the children try her? 279 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: Four children try to call her? Oh wait, though you 280 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: said it was an undisclosed phone number of the husband says, yeah, 281 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: that's my husband. Clean the one sheet went clean the 282 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: one she called him that it was him an unknown 283 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: phone number, and what he also told police was that 284 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: his wife's phone had been turned off and he was 285 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: unable to cont the contactor, and that her family who 286 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: were out of state, and her friends were mostly unable 287 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: to conduct her. So what do we know about her movements? 288 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Ericabo. This is our friend from 289 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: news Day Stuff. The police, including homicide detectives and this canine. 290 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: We're on Melissa Mulinari's Center Reach Street Wednesday searching this 291 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: stump across from her house. Pop say, the missing mom 292 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: of four was last seen at her lolly Lean home 293 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: on November twenty first, it's just all really crazy. It's 294 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: a shock kind of you know, we're all just a 295 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: little like what happened. Police confirm it was a friend 296 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: who reported the thirty eight year old missing on December second, 297 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: her car left at home. I find it very surprising 298 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: that she didn't take her car or nothing, because she 299 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: was in the car all the time. I literally, like 300 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: seven times a day I would see her going in 301 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: and out of the al It scares you, as being 302 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: a neighbor that she's missing. And also, take a listen 303 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: to our three, our friends at NBC four. And I 304 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: find this very interesting too. I find him very surprising 305 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: that she didn't take her car or nothing, because she 306 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: was in that car all the time. Oh that's you know, 307 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: that was her car. She was in and out of it. 308 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 1: You know. Look literally like seven times a day I 309 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: would see her going in and out of the house. 310 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: And Gabby Petita's father, who has vowed to help other 311 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: families find their missing loved ones, tweeted his audience to 312 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: please help looking for any and all clues that will 313 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: lead police to Mullinari. Again. If you know anything about 314 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: this case, you're urged to call the Suffolk County Police. 315 00:19:52,840 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Melissa Mulinari, mother of four, 316 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: one as young as four years old, missing and the 317 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: neighbors find it very suspicious that her car is still 318 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: there at the home. But Jean Paul Salamanca joining us 319 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: from Neuesday, has been on the story from the very beginning. 320 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: The husband says she left with an unknown male and 321 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: then she called from an unknown phone, right, so that 322 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: would explain why her car is still there. Yeah, basically 323 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: that's going to what police. What he told police that 324 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: she had left on December the twenty second, and then 325 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: she came back the next day on the twenty third, 326 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: backdoor clothes and left with an unknown mail and an 327 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: unknown vehicle. So then vehicle probably was not recorded. You 328 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: mean November, correct, Jean Paul, Yes, it was November. That's 329 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: what he told this police. How does a cell phone 330 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: suddenly take center stage in this investigation? Take a listen 331 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: to our cut eleven NBC four. Early on in this investigation, 332 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: police had concerns why because they had search her husband's 333 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: phone history and realize he had recently purchased duct tape 334 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: rope and had searched for a list of none extradition countries. 335 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: He did initially tell police he and his wife were 336 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: separating and that she left him. And that's not all. 337 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Jennifer mclagancy. But yes, two, we're 338 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: working under the theory that the house is the crime scene. 339 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: Police a husband, Marcella, underwent facial plastic surgery, joined a 340 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: dating website in research none extradition countries. Thank you. Jean 341 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: Paul SALOMONCA investigative reporter joining us from Newsday who's been 342 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: on the story from the very beginning. Jean Paul, that's 343 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: quite the coincidence, is it not? That she goes missing, 344 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: He's the only one she speaks to from an undisclosed phone. 345 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: He says, her phone isn't disconnected. And it turns out 346 00:21:53,440 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: that searches on his phone include none extradition countries and 347 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: that he joined a website. All right, that's correct. What 348 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: more was revealed on his phone? What police have told 349 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: this was that GPS data from his phone had placed 350 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: him at the Rocky Point Barren's Forest, which is clare 351 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: sure she was found later on two key dates, which 352 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: was the night of her their argument on November twenty second, 353 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: and soon after the missing person's report was made. Well, 354 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: you're absolutely correct, Jean Paul salomonca. Now take a listen 355 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: to our zero eight, our friends at NBC four. Today, 356 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: people returned to the home to retrieve the family dog 357 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: and what appeared to be Christmas presents. Neighbors were sad 358 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: and to hear the news. She was really nice lady, 359 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: a good mother. That's the hardest part of this is 360 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: she was a good mother. I'm sad. At this point, 361 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: police say they have not yet located the murder weapon. 362 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: A couple of interesting items that came up. They looked 363 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: at his search history. They noticed he had purchased recently 364 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: duct tape and rope, and he had have been searching 365 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: about countries that didn't have extradition. Meanwhile, those four children 366 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: are now currently living with a family friend. Back to 367 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: Jean Paul Solomon for joining us from Newsday. So we've 368 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: got him purchasing duct tape and rope and searching countries 369 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: that don't have extradition treaties with the US. What can 370 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: you tell me about his plastic surgery. Well, they had 371 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: mentioned that he had recently had a plastic surgery to 372 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, extradition treaties with the US, countries that 373 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: don't have them, buying rope and duct tape. Let me 374 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: ask you about the husband getting plastic surgery coincidentally when 375 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: his wife goes missing Nancy. You know, I don't think 376 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: he was trying to look more youthful. I don't think 377 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: he was getting a brow lift, a necklift, or a facelift. 378 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: I don't think he was getting CEO two laser treatment 379 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: or an upper bluff roplasty. I mean, I do know 380 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 1: that it was facial surgery, facial plastic surgery, Nancy. This 381 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: guy was preparing to go on the LAMB. And what 382 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: I find interesting is all of these extensive, extensive plans 383 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: to leave and go somewhere else. I'm trying to think 384 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: now of people who go to South America or go 385 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: to Europe. They change their appearance dramatically and they begin 386 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: a whole new life. I mean, they will get another wife, 387 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: they will have more children. It's as if the existing 388 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: family doesn't even matter where. What was he going to 389 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: do with his four children ages four to seventeen once 390 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: he went on the LAMB? Was he thinking about them? 391 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: Probably not? You know, I get suspicious, Dale Carson. And 392 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: my husband goes on an exercise jag because typically we 393 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: walk together, and suddenly when he goes to lift whites, 394 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, what God from it? He joined a yuga 395 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: class that which is never too But this guy goes 396 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: and gets facial plastic surgery and joins a dating website. Now, 397 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: if his wife had left him for another man, I 398 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: could see him having that kind of reaction. But what 399 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: I don't get is the purchase of duct tape. And 400 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: wrote del Carson, You're the high profile defense attorney. How 401 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: are you gonna explain that a way. Well, the problem 402 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: is that you can't explain that away. And the electronics 403 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: that are involved in this case, which are massive. I mean, 404 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: the phone becomes, as you said, the central part and 405 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: all of this and when it's storing records of what 406 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: you've been thinking, where you've been writing, all of those 407 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: things are very indicative of a desire to hurt somebody 408 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: else and then to leave. Cause we are talking about 409 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: a missing mom. A Disney trip with the family seemingly 410 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: turns deadly or did it? So? Straight out to you, 411 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: jos Goot Morgan, the home, the car at the home, 412 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: what does that tell you? Yeah, considering that the car 413 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: was still there, Remember the neighbors actually said they saw 414 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: her going up and down the road every day, Nancy 415 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: in this car several times a day. And wouldn't that 416 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: make sense. I mean they've got four kids, right, But 417 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: yet she's left with another person. So the car is there. 418 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: That means that they're not in this vehicle that she 419 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 1: uses on a regular basis. So that's going to be 420 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: a big part of putting this puzzle together. Yeah, when 421 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: it's your behavior, your standard behavior s op that you're 422 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: in and out of that car throughout the day, then 423 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: suddenly you're gone and your car is there. If she 424 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: had left her husband and her four children, she wouldn't 425 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: have gone in her car. That would make me focus 426 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: on the home and the car as potential crime locations. 427 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: But does Jean Paul Salamanca from Newsday, His phone also 428 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: yielded other evidence GPS evidence. Where did the GPS locator 429 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: place the husband and Marcella Mullinari? The GPS data from 430 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: from his phone, according to police, have placed them on 431 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: Kurrn's Road at the Rocky Point Baron's Forest the night 432 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: of their argument on November twenty second, and soon after 433 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: the missing person's report was made. So, Jean Paul Salamanca, 434 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: where is the location? You're describing the forest? Yeah, it 435 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: was a it's a it's a rocky Point It's a 436 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: six thousand acre forest. As far as what the description 437 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: of it is, so it's a PreMaster area. So so 438 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: Rocky Point Pine Barons. Correct, It's yes, the Rocky Point 439 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: Baron's Forest. How far was the Rocky Point Baron's Forest 440 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: from their home? We just loaded up his twelve point 441 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: six miles. So to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, we learned 442 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: that the Rocky Point Barons State for US is at 443 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: twelve and a half miles from the home. Twenty minutes 444 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: from the home. Um, they have access throughout the day, 445 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: you have seasonal permits, but the reality is it's huge. 446 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: It's six thousand acres of pine barrens and open lands. 447 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: What about that, Joe Scott, Yeah, this would give you 448 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: an indication that you know, would he would have familiarity 449 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: with this location. Nancy. It's only twelve miles away, you know, 450 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: from where they live, and there's actually a shorter route, 451 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: but he goes through a more congested area. And this 452 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: is this is kind of interesting, Nancy. There are multiple 453 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: points coming from their home in center Reach where you 454 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: can access the park. There's kind of a southern access 455 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: a location, and then there's like a primary access location 456 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: that's this out on kind of the water side. This 457 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: is really close to the Atlantic Ocean, Nancy. And of 458 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: course we're on Long Island, but this is particularly close 459 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: to it. So the family probably has utilized this area 460 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: in the past. It's got hiking trails and all this 461 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: sort of thing you probably play equipment for kids. It 462 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,479 Speaker 1: just looks like it's kind of a natural setting in 463 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: the midst of a rather densely populated area. Nancy, So 464 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: what do you do with that? Del Carson, You're the 465 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 1: veteran defense attorney. You've got her missing, and what daddy 466 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: goes to ponder life out in the pine barrens in 467 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: November December. Well that's the only logical argument, but ultimately 468 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense. He's pre checking the area 469 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: to see what's available in that distinct location. And what 470 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: amazes me is the accuracy of these pings and how 471 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: close they are to places that the police up to 472 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: ultimately search crime stories with Nancy Grace the Rocky Point 473 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: Barons State for us, this is six thousand acres of 474 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,719 Speaker 1: pine forest, about twenty minutes from his home, and as 475 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: Jean Paul Salomonca tells us, the pings from his phone 476 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: placed him there not once, but twice. Why would he 477 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: go out to the pine barrens in the freezing cold 478 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: in November and December while his wife is missing? To 479 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: Jean Paul Salomonca, Jean Paul, what can you tell me 480 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: about obtaining a search warrant for the Mulinary home? Not 481 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: the short body was discovered, they had the search warrant 482 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: was executed that same night, and the forensic examination had 483 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: revealed that there was the presence of blood in the basement. 484 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: Take a listen to you our cut eleven our friends 485 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: at NBC for New York. Evidence inside the Mulinary home 486 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: tells a different story. Forensic examination and analysis by members 487 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: of the Suffolk County Crime Lab revealed indication of the 488 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: presence of blood. Detectives found blood in the basement and 489 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: in the back of her minivan. Please search Marcello's phone, 490 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: they found he visited the Rocky Point Barrens, stopping on 491 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: Curran's Road. To Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor of forensics, joining us, 492 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: what type of blood do you suspect would be found 493 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: in the home and the minivan? You know, the type 494 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: of blood Nancy is going to be depended upon who's 495 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: occupying the home. Are those spaces specifically, if you have 496 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: a pet, for instance, you could have pet blood, but 497 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: more than likely human blood. And when we go out 498 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: to scenes, Nancy, one of the things that we do 499 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: is actually test the blood or what we believe to 500 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: be blood out there. First off, we go through a 501 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: step where it says, you know this is in fact blood, 502 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: Then we have to decide what is it human versus animal, 503 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: And we go through all of these steps at the scene. 504 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: We just don't blindly call an unidentified substance at a 505 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: scene blood. We have to verify that scientifically because, as 506 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: you well know, we will get eaten alive in court 507 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: if we say otherwise. Then you go into this idea 508 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: of typing, and then from that you go to DNA. 509 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: But what's really important here, Nancy, is what type of 510 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: volume of blood are we talking about here at the home. Now? 511 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: You know, we go about everyday life in our homes 512 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: and we'll have droplets of blood that are found about 513 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: the home, you know, and that can come from any 514 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: number of locations. But if you go to that location 515 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: and you're an investigator and you're looking at this and 516 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: you have these kind of wide swaths of blood on 517 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: the on the floor in a centralized area, maybe there's 518 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: evidence that it's been wiped across the floor where it's 519 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: there's an attempt to clean it up and this sort 520 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: of thing. Then that's going to make alarm bells go 521 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: off in our head. And then you take that you 522 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: you go to a conveyance like a vehicle and you 523 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: see that there is significant blood in the back of 524 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: the vehicle, then you're going to begin as an investigator 525 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: to put all of this together. Was somebody injured in 526 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: the home and then the car was used in order 527 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,959 Speaker 1: to transport them? I don't know for you, for assistance 528 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: or is it something more sinister As a matter of fact, 529 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at Newsday. We're working 530 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: under the theory that the house is the crime scene, 531 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: the car was used to transport her and she was 532 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: placed in the pine barrens. Suffolk County Police found the 533 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: body of Melissa Malinari just off this dead end road 534 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: in Middle Island Thursday. The body was off the trail, 535 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: covered with leaves and branches and wrapped in plastic. Investigators 536 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: continued to gather evidence of the Rocky Point baron State 537 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: Forest Friday. Prosecutors say the victim had been stabbed twenty 538 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: times and the torso had backed twenty stab wounds. Take 539 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: a listen to more in our cut four from ABC seven. 540 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: The case of a missing mother here in centa reach 541 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: had police suspicious of her husband right away. Marcello Mullinery 542 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: claimed his wife ran off with another man. He let 543 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: the police search her vehicle and his phone, and police 544 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: say he was cooperative until they found her body early 545 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,719 Speaker 1: yesterday in a wooded area in Middle Island. Forty three 546 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: year old Marcello Mullinary was arrested shortly after the grim 547 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: discovery of his missing wife's body, saying nothing today in 548 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: court as prosecutors described the evidence, his phone GPS showing 549 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: he'd been to the Rocky Point Pine Barren State Forest 550 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: early the morning of November twenty third two Doctor Bethany Marcel, 551 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: psychoanalyst text messages that lay to an abrupt Disney departure. 552 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: What do ye believe the text messages were? Doctors? Well, 553 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: this is a little like a tale of two stories, 554 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: like a tale of two cities. You know, according to 555 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: the husband, she was having an affair, so he found 556 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: these text messages and then cut the Disney's trips short. 557 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: But what if this is a Scott Peterson scenario. What if, 558 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: in fact, he's the one who's having the affair. What 559 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: if he staged all this so he could get rid 560 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: of his wife. I mean, I think it's really important, 561 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: no matter what those text messages say, to really take 562 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: a deep dive into this marriage, into the behavioral evidence. 563 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: I would guess if there are twenty stab rooms to 564 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: the torso that whoever did that has extreme rage towards her, 565 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: I would guess there was ongoing abuse going on. Victims 566 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: of domestic abuse don't normally have affairs. What they generally 567 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: do is they begin to reach to outside parties to 568 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: gain support because they feel themselves to be in desperate, 569 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: desperate circumstances. And this could be I'm guessing maybe a 570 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: male or a woman or somebody that she had begun 571 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: to confide secrets in about the marriage and that felt 572 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: to him like an affair. Remember, abusers are always jealous, 573 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: They always feel cheated on, even when there's no real 574 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: firm evidence to support that. It all begins to unfall. 575 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut nine our friends at CBS. 576 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: Two prosecutors say he planned it four weeks, killing the 577 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: mother of his four children after learning of her alleged 578 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: extramarital affair. Marcella Mullinari is held without bond. Loved ones 579 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: raced away from court as police continued scouring the Center 580 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: Reach home for evidence. The missing person's case of thirty 581 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: eight year old Melissa Mullinari turned to murder. All the 582 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: lives that were destroyed in this is It's just the 583 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,240 Speaker 1: terrible story. November fifth, the family abruptly left Disney World 584 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 1: after a marital affair confrontation. On the twenty first, Melissa 585 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: was lasting in public at her son's soccer game and 586 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: coach party. The twenty third, Marcello's phone GPS rings in 587 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 1: the Pine Barons. Four children ages four to seventeen, s 588 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: ben Thanksgiving without their mother. A friend not the husband, 589 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,240 Speaker 1: reports Melissa missing. Marcello's GPS back at the Pine Barons. 590 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: K nine reacts to blood in the basement and her minivan. 591 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: December ninth, Melissa's body found in the Pine Barons Forest, 592 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: Middle Island, ten miles from her center reach home and 593 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,720 Speaker 1: to our friend Jennifer McCloughan, CBS two at our cut 594 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: Tien Prosecutor sy there was marital strife and jealousy when 595 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: they recovered Melissa's body here twenty stab wounds. She was 596 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: wrapped in garbage bags, duct tape, with towels, blankets, and 597 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: saran rap. I mean Dale Carson, you're the high profile 598 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: defense attorney joining us out of Jacksonville. Saran rap duct tape, 599 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: I mean well, there's not a way you could argue 600 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: that that's not premeditated. Do you think he just found 601 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,760 Speaker 1: those garbage bags and blankets out there and the pine barons? Well, 602 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,720 Speaker 1: of course it's well planned, as indicated by his effort 603 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 1: to find an expedition, food, country and other things. But 604 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: it's interesting. Under New York law, it appears there's an 605 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: exception that if you are in fact angry at someone 606 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: because you think they're being duplicit as sexually, then the 607 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: result is they can't be prosecuted for premeditated murder. Okay, 608 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: you just keep dreaming Dale Carson because he may have 609 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: been angry about an alleged affair, But the fact that 610 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: he then put in all this time planning the murderer, 611 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: there's no way this is not going to be premeditated murder. 612 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: And I want to go to you, jose Scott Morgan, 613 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University. What do you 614 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: make of the fact that her body was off the 615 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,760 Speaker 1: trail then covered with leaves and branches and wrap in plastic. 616 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: What does that tell you about the mind of the killer? 617 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: That he's highly he's highly disorganized. Keep in mind the 618 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:37,240 Speaker 1: individual is taking well let me rephrase that, not only 619 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,240 Speaker 1: was there plastic, there's also towels. There's also sheets, betting, 620 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff that is easily traceable back to 621 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 1: a specific individual. I mean, all you have to do 622 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 1: is have a friend walked through the house and say, yeah, look, 623 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 1: you know we've got the same same betting or the 624 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: same towels, this sort of thing. There's not a lot 625 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: of organized thought that goes into this. But here's here's 626 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,720 Speaker 1: the real problem that this guy's defense is going to have. Nancy. 627 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: There are specific forensic tie backs with him because he 628 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: is what I refer to as cocooning the body. He 629 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 1: has taken this body, this poor woman, and has wrapped her. 630 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: So all of that evidence that he has left behind, 631 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: and trust me, there is a myriad of it is 632 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: going to be contact evidence that he's left behind on 633 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: the interior of those bags. Also on this tape the 634 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 1: body is sealed with, he's going to have what we 635 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: refer to as plastic prints that you can find on 636 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: the adhesive surfaces. And not to mention the nature of 637 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,800 Speaker 1: these injuries is doctor Bethany had mentioned, he's going to 638 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: be in a dominant position as he is stabbing this 639 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 1: woman over and over and over again. The trick is 640 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 1: can they marry up the knife that he used? Is 641 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 1: it one just like the sheets and towels? Is it 642 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: something that they had in that home? Did he go 643 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: and grab a butcher knife? What did he actually use 644 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: out of the home that inflicted these injuries. Take a 645 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: listen to our cut six, our friends at NBC four. 646 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: They're saying it was well thought out and planned and 647 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: the motive, according to prosecutors marital troubles. They say that 648 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: the family had taken a trip to Disney in early 649 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 1: November and that's where the husband learned of an alleged 650 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: extra marital affair that his wife was having. They came home, 651 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,240 Speaker 1: they entered the trip abruptly. They decided to get divorced, 652 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: but they were still living in the same home and 653 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,839 Speaker 1: that eventually led to her death. And to ye Jean 654 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: Paul Salamanca, where does the case stand right now? Currently? 655 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: The US initially for a psychological evaluation in the team 656 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,879 Speaker 1: confinement and lady was charged with his wife his west killing. 657 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 1: He's charged with murder hesse. He played guilty as a child. 658 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: I set no. I believe he has an attorney and 659 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: he had pleaded not guilty to the case to the charges, 660 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: so at this juncture the husband, Marcella Millinari, has pled 661 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: not guilty in a white trial. Nancy Grace Crum story 662 00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: signing off goodbye for