Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,
Speaker 1: I've been thinking a lot about what is at stake
Speaker 1: in this country and in our day to day lives,
Speaker 1: as I look through the headlines and see the maneuvers,
Speaker 1: the underhanded political dirty tricks that Republicans are using to
Speaker 1: suppress our democracy, to basically break it and destroy it,
Speaker 1: to control the uteruses of women. Because as I said
Speaker 1: last week, they are no longer talking whispering behind closed doors.
Speaker 1: They're saying everything that they want and think out loud.
Speaker 1: They want more white babies. They are afraid of the
Speaker 1: demographic shift. They are afraid of people of color gaining
Speaker 1: equity and power in this country, so they're proliferating it
Speaker 1: with guns. They are afraid of people having critical thought,
Speaker 1: so they are banning books and defunding libraries. They are
Speaker 1: afraid of young people waking up to the realities that
Speaker 1: the things that they've been taught about America are not
Speaker 1: really true, that this country isn't the center of the universe,
Speaker 1: that it isn't all great, that it isn't the beacon
Speaker 1: on the hill. That America's dark, dirty, violent, brutal past
Speaker 1: is a part of where we find ourselves in the present.
Speaker 1: And without a significant change, without a collective of Americans,
Speaker 1: a majority of Americans choosing consciousness, choosing to be awake,
Speaker 1: choosing action over complacency, choosing to have a voice rather
Speaker 1: than have comfortable silence, we are going to continue on
Speaker 1: the path of no return. Now here's the thing that
Speaker 1: I want us to understand, and this is the place
Speaker 1: that I find that it is difficult for us to
Speaker 1: grapple with, is that the America that once was is
Speaker 1: not returning. We are never going back to normal because
Speaker 1: as we all understood during the three years of this pandemic,
Speaker 1: is that what was considered normal wasn't racial inequality, economic disparity, greed, right, hatred,
Speaker 1: this me, me, me, this scarcity model, that there isn't enough,
Speaker 1: so I must hoard. None of that is normal. It
Speaker 1: is not conducive to a healthy, productive society. And what
Speaker 1: Republicans are doing now is what Steve Bannon told them
Speaker 1: to do. Flood the zone with shit right, close all
Speaker 1: the libraries, ban all the books, roll back abortion, do
Speaker 1: everything and anything that you can so that you seed
Speaker 1: and breed hopelessness and despair so that you suffocate them
Speaker 1: with complacency and the belief that they no longer have power,
Speaker 1: because that is the biggest trick. The biggest trick is
Speaker 1: for us to believe that there are more more of them,
Speaker 1: single minded, narrow mind did hateful white supremacists who have
Speaker 1: weaponized religion, weaponized the Bible in order to excuse and
Speaker 1: celebrate their brutality. Not all wars begin with tanks and bombs.
Speaker 1: They begin by picking away at civil liberties and freedoms
Speaker 1: one by one by one, and they start with the
Speaker 1: groups that are most marginalized until they get to those
Speaker 1: that believe themselves to be at the top of the pyramid,
Speaker 1: who think that they're safe because they have enough money, right,
Speaker 1: they have enough whiteness, they have enough protection. But absolute
Speaker 1: power is kind of like it's kind of like an
Speaker 1: addict that is always looking for one more hit, that
Speaker 1: is always looking for one more fix, until finally they
Speaker 1: take too much and it's done. Except we can't just wait,
Speaker 1: dear friends, for Republicans to overdose on power. You have
Speaker 1: to understand that we have to take it back. What
Speaker 1: does that look like? It looks like calling your representatives.
Speaker 1: It looks like running for office. It looks like if
Speaker 1: you have the economic ability to be donating to candidates,
Speaker 1: not just in your states, not just in your towns,
Speaker 1: but wherever you see democracy on the brink. It looks
Speaker 1: like organizing. It looks like sharing these you know podcasts.
Speaker 1: It looks like getting a collection of your friends and
Speaker 1: family together and saying, what are we doing this week
Speaker 1: to preserve our democracy? Because if it's just one action
Speaker 1: that you can take a week, then take it. But
Speaker 1: it is not enough anymore for us to sit back
Speaker 1: and wait until November or wait until there is some
Speaker 1: type of special election for us to get our shit together.
Speaker 1: If they are closing libraries in your fucking state, then
Speaker 1: you pick up your picket signs, You get a collection going,
Speaker 1: you get to know your librarians and you figure out
Speaker 1: what the fuck they need, and you organize your community
Speaker 1: against fascism. It is going to take us all moving
Speaker 1: outside of what has been comfortable, what has been safe,
Speaker 1: and recognizing that that safety has been an illusion. It
Speaker 1: has been an illusion. Just like Americans exceptionalism. We always
Speaker 1: have the ability to change, We always have the ability
Speaker 1: to get woke, We always have the ability to take action.
Speaker 1: We don't always have the will. They the opposition. They
Speaker 1: are unrelenting. Their boot is on our neck, it is
Speaker 1: on our back, it is on our wounds. It is
Speaker 1: time for us, the people, to own our power. We cannot.
Speaker 1: We do not have the luxury to get caught up
Speaker 1: in fucking despair. Because let me tell you something, dear friends,
Speaker 1: that any time that I find myself getting down, and
Speaker 1: it is common, I remind myself of this. My enslaved
Speaker 1: ancestors got up every fucking day when they weren't free.
Speaker 1: They found ritual, they created community, they sang songs, they
Speaker 1: found joy, and they got free. They didn't have time
Speaker 1: to wallow in self pity to go woe is me
Speaker 1: because masses whip and boot were literally on their backs,
Speaker 1: on their necks, on their wounds, and they kept fighting.
Speaker 1: So whatever it is that you need to ground yourself in,
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you it is time that we stop
Speaker 1: the sedation, that we lean into the meditation, and that
Speaker 1: we move from the contemplation into action. The people that
Speaker 1: we've been waiting for to save us are in our mirrors.
Speaker 1: It is our time coming up next, dear friends, my
Speaker 1: conversation with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks,
Speaker 1: you know that whenever we have the opportunity to speak
Speaker 1: with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, I am
Speaker 1: always thrilled, and Jonathan, you are our eyes and ears
Speaker 1: now on the ground in Tennessee, which is ground zero
Speaker 1: in many ways for what is happening, not only as
Speaker 1: it pertains to gun violence and mass shootings in the
Speaker 1: United States, but also overall the overall threat to democracy
Speaker 1: by an authoritarian, fascist Republican party that is committed to
Speaker 1: shutting down voices of dissent. And so I want to
Speaker 1: start with just in general. You're at Vanderbilt University. These
Speaker 1: protests that we've been seeing have been led by young
Speaker 1: people on the ground, and I've seen some that look
Speaker 1: as young as elementary school age and others that look,
Speaker 1: you know, to be in college, and then obviously other
Speaker 1: older supporters. What is the feeling right now on your
Speaker 1: campus and just overall in the city.
Speaker 2: There is a tremendous amount of learned helplessness that just
Speaker 2: people like us have in Tennessee. We've been beaten into.
Speaker 3: The ground, like you know, like for so long.
Speaker 2: A lot of us, particularly like senior scholars like me.
Speaker 2: You've been working on guns here and I never thought
Speaker 2: anything would change. And the fact that these young people
Speaker 2: are here like lifting us up, lifting us all up,
Speaker 2: young legislators, young students. I think it's I'm winning into
Speaker 2: a very remarkable moment. Right, protest is leading to actual change.
Speaker 2: Right the governor, I never thought I would see it.
Speaker 2: But even the idea that the governor of Tennessee would
Speaker 2: even say the word gun violence strain order, let alone
Speaker 2: think of something that is maybe linked to that. So
Speaker 2: I think people are feeling the pressure. I think the
Speaker 2: idea that these aren't just protesters there, it's a potentially
Speaker 2: mobilizable voting block. I think that they the Republicans, realized
Speaker 2: they were on the wrong side of this issue in
Speaker 2: a certain way, in a certain way, And so I
Speaker 2: do think that there is I wouldn't say optimism, but
Speaker 2: I would say it's not utter despair and hopelessness, which
Speaker 2: is what it Here's so it feels like it's not
Speaker 2: utter despair and hopelessness. And I have to say it's remarkable, right,
Speaker 2: what energy feels like is pretty incredible. The fact that
Speaker 2: there were so many people who came out, the fact
Speaker 2: that people.
Speaker 3: Are just said, you're not getting away with this.
Speaker 2: So on one hand, I think there's energy, but you
Speaker 2: know me, I'm giving you the caveat next, And the
Speaker 2: caveat is that what got exposed here was something much bigger.
Speaker 2: Now certainly we're having a big conversation about guns, because
Speaker 2: there was not just a mass shooting, but a school
Speaker 2: shooting at a school shooting in a religious school, and
Speaker 2: a school shooting where white children died, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, the usual bs that the NRA does after
Speaker 2: this didn't work right, Like the line that this was
Speaker 2: some kind of hate crime against Christians was like laughably preposterous,
Speaker 2: and so all of a sudden they didn't have a way.
Speaker 2: They got exposed in a way.
Speaker 3: So that's number one.
Speaker 2: And number two is it with the world watching. I
Speaker 2: don't think they realized how much people were watching.
Speaker 3: With the world watching.
Speaker 2: They expelled three people initially and turned out to be
Speaker 2: two people then, but.
Speaker 3: Everybody was watching. And so.
Speaker 2: But I think the important point is they've been getting
Speaker 2: away with this for like months and months and months,
Speaker 2: right right, And so this is just the one time
Speaker 2: where they very badly miscalculated because it brought attention to
Speaker 2: what they're doing, and this is the most important point.
Speaker 2: I apologize for getting to it a kind of roundabout way,
Speaker 2: but what they're doing is not about guns. What they're
Speaker 2: doing is they've figured out a way to first get
Speaker 2: a super majority in a state through gerimandering and controlling
Speaker 2: the courts, is what they're doing, and then using that
Speaker 2: just for something that is truly terrifying, which is they
Speaker 2: have a way of getting people out of office who
Speaker 2: are democratically elected. Desantists did it with lawyers and das
Speaker 2: and attorneys in Florida, and they're doing it here, and
Speaker 2: they're doing other places. And so I'm honored and thrilled
Speaker 2: and delighted and uplifted honestly that people are protesting because
Speaker 2: it's just ridiculous to throw out like three elected congress people.
Speaker 2: But I would also say that the fight of what's
Speaker 2: happening here is going to be for red state state
Speaker 2: attorneys general and public defender things that are like people
Speaker 2: aren't really paying attention to in such a high profile way.
Speaker 2: And so I don't know, we've always I just feel
Speaker 2: like we undersold it when we said it was disenfranchisement.
Speaker 2: They're not just trying to block people from voting. They're
Speaker 2: actually throwing people out of office who were elected, which
Speaker 2: a lot of people are like, wait.
Speaker 3: You can do that.
Speaker 2: That's totally anti democratic. That's the playbook. And so I
Speaker 2: just want to highlight that what's being exposed here is
Speaker 2: this ca where there's a tremendous amount of attention, but
Speaker 2: there's a much much much bigger, much bigger strategy that
Speaker 2: I think people just really need to keep their eyes on.
Speaker 3: The prize about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that what the Republican Party did in
Speaker 1: Tennessee was really like against what their normal movements, right,
Speaker 1: Their normal movements are to do things over the cloak
Speaker 1: of darkness, do it by voice vote, do it without cameras.
Speaker 1: I mean again, I just saw recently, you know, local
Speaker 1: reporting by a Tennessee local news station that uncovered the
Speaker 1: fact that the Republicans worked to kill legislation that would
Speaker 1: alert high schoolers to when they could register to vote
Speaker 1: and provide information on voting to high schoolers that are
Speaker 1: getting ready to graduate. They killed that bill. They did
Speaker 1: it by a voice vote, and they turned off the cameras, right,
Speaker 1: And this was uncovered at a local station. And so
Speaker 1: I think think that by virtue of them believing that
Speaker 1: they are all powerful right and can do whatever it
Speaker 1: is that they want. We can expel who we want
Speaker 1: unless you follow our rules. We can say it's decorum
Speaker 1: when we know that that's bullshit. Really showed. I think
Speaker 1: the craven behavior of the Republican Party and that it
Speaker 1: isn't just the headliners that we see like Marjory Taylor
Speaker 1: Green and Matt Gates at the federal level, but these
Speaker 1: people are like gremlins. They are all over the state
Speaker 1: and local levels. And I think that that's what's really important.
Speaker 1: And to your point, Jonathan, I actually have seen since
Speaker 1: the shooting in Tennessee, have seen and watched folks on
Speaker 1: cable news talk about the strategy that you've been talking
Speaker 1: about for so long, that they are diluting the power
Speaker 1: of urban areas by jerrymandering them in such a way
Speaker 1: like they've done in Nashville and Memphis, as you brought
Speaker 1: up a week or so ago, and modeling that in
Speaker 1: other places and trying to instill and engrave power in
Speaker 1: the rural areas. And again, I think that this is
Speaker 1: something that has been lifted up by the shooting. The
Speaker 1: other thing that I heard, Jonathan, and you tell me
Speaker 1: if you heard this as well. And I say that
Speaker 1: I heard this via social media by the host of
Speaker 1: the Simone Show, Simone Sanders, who said that the Tennessee
Speaker 1: First Lady lost one of her best friends at the
Speaker 1: Covenant shooting. Is that correct?
Speaker 2: I mean the irony, right, I mean not irony, it's
Speaker 2: I mean, one in five people know somebody who's been
Speaker 2: shot and killed in this country. We had a shooting
Speaker 2: where the first Lady knew people at Covenant who were killed,
Speaker 2: as many people did. Right. These are very public people, right.
Speaker 2: A principle of a school is somebody a lot of
Speaker 2: people know. Then we just had a shooting in Louisville, Kentucky,
Speaker 2: and it was a friend of.
Speaker 1: Two friends of Governor Brasher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it's not like people are targeting people
Speaker 2: who know governors. It's that governors are part of a
Speaker 2: bigger demographic of people who live in the United States.
Speaker 3: And so the number of people who were affected by
Speaker 3: this it's pretty high. And so but yes, it's true.
Speaker 2: It is absolutely true that this Covenant shooting hit home
Speaker 2: really in a way maybe that the Las Vegas shooting did, right,
Speaker 2: because the people who were killed were like often white
Speaker 2: conservative people like people who are.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, tell me what you think. Then, is
Speaker 1: the difference between why you say this about Covenant When
Speaker 1: we looked at Parkland was the same demographic, new Town
Speaker 1: was the same demographic. So what is it about this one?
Speaker 1: It's that you're saying that it's like that. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's what I mean, it's been white kids getting killed.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not just about the race, right, It's actually
Speaker 2: that it's happening in the middle of like not just
Speaker 2: an one of the more pro gun areas of the country,
Speaker 2: like Florida rebounded, right. The rebound in Florida, right was
Speaker 2: to get red flag laws in Florida, which are now
Speaker 2: being taken.
Speaker 3: Off the books by DeSantis.
Speaker 2: But I just think it just kind of hits It
Speaker 2: hits close to home for people who are maybe supportive
Speaker 2: of gun rights but don't believe that every single person
Speaker 2: should be able to go get an air fifteen whenever
Speaker 2: they want. And I just think the irony of this
Speaker 2: moment is that this shooting happened at the moment that
Speaker 2: the Tennessee legislature was overturning every possible gun law, like
Speaker 2: and so they just think the contrast could not have
Speaker 2: been any more stark than it was at this moment.
Speaker 2: And so it just there's something about the juxtaposition of
Speaker 2: this happening. And again, I just think it's just ludicrous
Speaker 2: to say that this.
Speaker 3: Was a hate tribal against Christians.
Speaker 1: Like nobody, I didn't even hear that that that was
Speaker 1: their talking point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was their talking there's a hate crime against Christians.
Speaker 3: And I mean.
Speaker 2: It is true, right the shooter had used male pronouns
Speaker 2: at this moment for the last couple of months ago
Speaker 2: something like that. So they were saying this is a
Speaker 2: trans hate.
Speaker 1: Crime against I mean, they were saying everything, everything except
Speaker 1: just like and none of it's stuck.
Speaker 2: The thing is, none of it's stuck. You just watch
Speaker 2: that video for a second and you see somebody in
Speaker 2: tactical gear with an air fifteen and a baseball cap
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. That person was acting like.
Speaker 1: Every other shooter, every other shooter, every other shooter that
Speaker 1: we have come to see and had, you know, access
Speaker 1: to seven different types of guns and rifles and the like.
Speaker 1: I want to transition a minute from Tennessee because of course,
Speaker 1: you know, this is just becoming the absolute norm where
Speaker 1: you know, over one hundred days into this year and
Speaker 1: there have been over one hundred and fifty shootings. And
Speaker 1: this month is extraordinary in the fact that we had
Speaker 1: the Tennessee shooting happen and now two weeks later a
Speaker 1: mass shooting in Kentucky. So can you talk, I mean
Speaker 1: again about this Kentucky. You know, you have a democratic governor,
Speaker 1: but you have a Republican legislature. Talk about this kind
Speaker 1: of back to back to back that we're starting to see.
Speaker 2: Well, we already we're having more than one messaging a
Speaker 2: day in this country, but now we're having more than
Speaker 2: one Americana style mass shooting. Right. In other words, people
Speaker 2: are heightened, they're terrified, they're paying attention. And I think
Speaker 2: it was just easy for America to look the other
Speaker 2: way when it was like a gang shooting or an
Speaker 2: urban shooting, even though every shooting is a mass shooting.
Speaker 2: But now you just cannot look away, right it's happening.
Speaker 2: It's just the smoke is burning very close to the
Speaker 2: mansion right now for a lot of people, and I
Speaker 2: just think that it's just really affecting people's lives. And
Speaker 2: so before they could just say, like, oh, the gangbaggers
Speaker 2: are doing this over there, but that is not what happened,
Speaker 2: and it was what was happening before. But at least
Speaker 2: it was a rhetorical strategy that people could use. And
Speaker 2: we still have a ton of guns suicide, and so
Speaker 2: I just think so many corners of our world are
Speaker 2: being hit by this, touched by this right now, and
Speaker 2: so the kind of deflection that people use. And I
Speaker 2: also think, I mean again, I have a lot of
Speaker 2: friends who are gun owners. I speak to gun owners
Speaker 2: a lot. I have a lot of sympathy for a
Speaker 2: lot of arguments, and as you know, pretty critical of
Speaker 2: a lot of liberal arguments about guns because they just
Speaker 2: don't they kind of stereotype in reverse. But I will
Speaker 2: say there's something about the shootings that have been happening
Speaker 2: recently that just give complete lied the idea that just
Speaker 2: everybody's armed, you can stop.
Speaker 1: This right right, Because at the school in Tennessee, there
Speaker 1: was there there was a teacher that was armed. At
Speaker 1: the bank, right there was I believe there was a guard.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, banks are pretty well are pretty well protected.
Speaker 1: So there was already a gun in there, right, and
Speaker 1: it didn't stop it from happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, So go ahead I mean again, the other
Speaker 2: other important point and why you know we still have
Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty million guns in circulation in this country.
Speaker 2: It does seem like a lot of the recent mass
Speaker 2: shooters have pretty recently bought their guns legally, but there
Speaker 2: still are.
Speaker 3: Just we got a lot of guns are out you know.
Speaker 1: So you know, one of the things that we have
Speaker 1: brought up in our conversations, Jonathan, is a fact recently
Speaker 1: that the number one cause of death of children zero
Speaker 1: to eighteen is now guns. And I want you to
Speaker 1: be able to elaborate on that a bit because there
Speaker 1: are a couple of things that I have seen and
Speaker 1: to me, honestly, it doesn't make a difference either way,
Speaker 1: if it's suicide, if it's homicide, if it's an accidental shooting.
Speaker 1: Like all of the it's just there are too many
Speaker 1: fucking guns, and young people have too much access to
Speaker 1: them or they are around them. But when you hear
Speaker 1: that statistic, what comes up for you.
Speaker 2: There was this graph I used to show in a
Speaker 2: lot of my talks that looked at what happened, like
Speaker 2: we used to have what fifty thousand car deaths a
Speaker 2: year in this country, forty five thousand something like that,
Speaker 2: and then people just saw what happened, which was automakers
Speaker 2: were liable for the deaths that their product was happening.
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, they found Jesus right, All
Speaker 2: of a sudden, they figured out that you could have
Speaker 2: anti lock breaks, and you could have seat belt laws,
Speaker 2: and you could have airbags. All of a sudden, all
Speaker 2: this technology came that made cars safer. And so that
Speaker 2: graph is like the exact opposite of the gun graph.
Speaker 2: That graph, that graph goes down with liability and technology.
Speaker 3: Those are the two things that happened with guns.
Speaker 2: We have the exact opposite, which is an industry that
Speaker 2: is shielded from liability, and so there's no impetus to
Speaker 2: install the kind of technology that we could do. I mean,
Speaker 2: when President Obama way back but a couple of decades
Speaker 2: ago did an executive order about guns whenever twenty twelve
Speaker 2: he invested in smart gun technology that was going to
Speaker 2: identify people by their handprint. There's tons of different things
Speaker 2: we can do that is just not there's no incentive
Speaker 2: for it. And so in a way, I just feel
Speaker 2: like we have the technology, we have to know how
Speaker 2: it's just that it hasn't ever cost anybody anything. In
Speaker 2: the fact, has been beneficial for politicians to support these
Speaker 2: unfettered gun rights. And so it's really about the calculus,
Speaker 2: the calculus of the system that I think is the issue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, I just I will say
Speaker 1: that for the longest time, I have been really cavalier
Speaker 1: in how I talk about folks that live in red states.
Speaker 1: And yes there's a voter suppression and Jerry Mandarin, but
Speaker 1: how do you have these people that are in office
Speaker 1: that are literally walking past your children with signs that
Speaker 1: say save us and are refusing to do so. But
Speaker 1: the energy of folks in Tennessee and just seeing all
Speaker 1: I mean hundreds and you know, maybe at this point
Speaker 1: thousands of people take to the streets over the past
Speaker 1: couple of weeks has really been heartening. It's really been
Speaker 1: eye opening. Right, this wasn't in a march that was
Speaker 1: organized that was happening in Washington, d C. This was,
Speaker 1: you know, happening. People go into the state capitol, people
Speaker 1: you know, being in on the House floor when justin
Speaker 1: Representative Justin Jones was sworn back in like participating and
Speaker 1: showing up and holding these elected officials accountable and saying
Speaker 1: we see you and we see what you're doing, right.
Speaker 1: And I think that that is just something that in
Speaker 1: this area. Jonathan, if I tell me if I'm wrong
Speaker 1: that we have not seen this kind of energy.
Speaker 2: No, it's exactly right. There have been a lot of
Speaker 2: people who've moved to Nashville over the past decade, me included.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people here who haven't grown up
Speaker 2: in this system. And there's also a very strong tradition
Speaker 2: of you know, there's a ferry festival here, there's East
Speaker 2: Nashville with a bunch of hipsters, there's a music tradition.
Speaker 2: There's like a lot of different kinds of people in
Speaker 2: tennis See. And what happened was everybody relatively got along.
Speaker 2: But I mean, we've had al Gore in the past,
Speaker 2: We've had Democrats in the past, and the Republicans figured
Speaker 2: out a way to like hijack the entire system. And
Speaker 2: so there are people who have not had their say
Speaker 2: here and they're they're getting not just disenfranchised or Jerry manderd,
Speaker 2: they're getting like literally silenced.
Speaker 3: And so I just think people were just fed.
Speaker 2: Up with it, honestly in the end, and it just
Speaker 2: released something here. But again, you and I have talked
Speaker 2: about this before, the politics of what's trying to happen in.
Speaker 3: Tennessee. It's not just about red states.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're going to try this playbook in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four in New York, I can guarantee you. And
Speaker 2: so you need this energy in New York right now, honestly,
Speaker 2: because there's you could mobilize around fear of crime and smelly,
Speaker 2: disgusting New York City, the unsafe blah blah blah, and
Speaker 2: defund the police and all that kind of stuff. You
Speaker 2: could mobilize rural New York against New York City in
Speaker 2: a very similar kind of way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, I mean, I think that we
Speaker 1: saw that happen with the last governors right right. I
Speaker 1: think that we saw that happen with Lee Zelden. And
Speaker 1: again we saw those that live in the dense urban
Speaker 1: areas that have the numbers and have the diverse populations
Speaker 1: say yeah, that's not going to happen. And when they
Speaker 1: realized and they saw that, for instance, you know, Hokal
Speaker 1: was starting to do events in the Bronx, They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we actually need to vote because we've never seen a
Speaker 1: governor here because they've never had to be so I
Speaker 1: think that, yes, what is happening in Tennessee can absolutely
Speaker 1: happen in New York and as you've said, and a
Speaker 1: lot of other urban areas. But I think that people
Speaker 1: are now getting hipped to and dare I say, woke
Speaker 1: to the strategy that is out play with Republicans. But Jonathan,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for keeping us informed on what's
Speaker 1: going on in Tennessee. And I think that we're going
Speaker 1: to be watching your adopted state for you know, for
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks and months to come to see
Speaker 1: what happens.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you.
Speaker 2: And I just want to say one final thing, if
Speaker 2: you don't mind, which is we've had some powerful voices
Speaker 2: rise to the four over the last couple of weeks. Also,
Speaker 2: obviously the Tennessee politicians were phenomenal, all three of them
Speaker 2: leaders for the future, for the president and the future.
Speaker 2: I want to also say that Governor Bisher of Kentucky
Speaker 2: was just phenomenal. I mean, his response to that horrible
Speaker 2: shooting was incredible. I mean that's the tone we need.
Speaker 2: And even Greg Popovich, the leader, the coach of the
Speaker 2: San Antonio Spurs, I mean go figure, and so I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: I've been.
Speaker 2: On this show nervous about the Democratic beant much. I've
Speaker 2: been nervous about if Trump goes to jail and DeSantis
Speaker 2: is the candidate, Biden's voice against somebody like that is
Speaker 2: not going to be that great. But I have to say,
Speaker 2: we've seen we've seen a kind of new kind of
Speaker 2: leader emerge over the last couple of weeks that I just.
Speaker 3: Think people should pay attention to.
Speaker 2: I think something's happening here in terms of like how
Speaker 2: we define a leader that is unexpected, and so I
Speaker 2: just I'm also just going to highlight to keep an
Speaker 2: eye on that space.
Speaker 1: Also, absolutely, we appreciate you, Jonathan, Thank you, Take care everybody.
Speaker 1: That is it for me today, Dear friends on Woke
Speaker 1: a f as always, Power to the people and to
Speaker 1: all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.