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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with

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Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,

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Speaker 1: I've been thinking a lot about what is at stake

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Speaker 1: in this country and in our day to day lives,

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Speaker 1: as I look through the headlines and see the maneuvers,

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Speaker 1: the underhanded political dirty tricks that Republicans are using to

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Speaker 1: suppress our democracy, to basically break it and destroy it,

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Speaker 1: to control the uteruses of women. Because as I said

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Speaker 1: last week, they are no longer talking whispering behind closed doors.

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Speaker 1: They're saying everything that they want and think out loud.

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Speaker 1: They want more white babies. They are afraid of the

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Speaker 1: demographic shift. They are afraid of people of color gaining

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Speaker 1: equity and power in this country, so they're proliferating it

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Speaker 1: with guns. They are afraid of people having critical thought,

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Speaker 1: so they are banning books and defunding libraries. They are

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Speaker 1: afraid of young people waking up to the realities that

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Speaker 1: the things that they've been taught about America are not

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Speaker 1: really true, that this country isn't the center of the universe,

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Speaker 1: that it isn't all great, that it isn't the beacon

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Speaker 1: on the hill. That America's dark, dirty, violent, brutal past

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Speaker 1: is a part of where we find ourselves in the present.

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Speaker 1: And without a significant change, without a collective of Americans,

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Speaker 1: a majority of Americans choosing consciousness, choosing to be awake,

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Speaker 1: choosing action over complacency, choosing to have a voice rather

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Speaker 1: than have comfortable silence, we are going to continue on

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Speaker 1: the path of no return. Now here's the thing that

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Speaker 1: I want us to understand, and this is the place

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Speaker 1: that I find that it is difficult for us to

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Speaker 1: grapple with, is that the America that once was is

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Speaker 1: not returning. We are never going back to normal because

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Speaker 1: as we all understood during the three years of this pandemic,

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Speaker 1: is that what was considered normal wasn't racial inequality, economic disparity, greed, right, hatred,

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Speaker 1: this me, me, me, this scarcity model, that there isn't enough,

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Speaker 1: so I must hoard. None of that is normal. It

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Speaker 1: is not conducive to a healthy, productive society. And what

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Speaker 1: Republicans are doing now is what Steve Bannon told them

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Speaker 1: to do. Flood the zone with shit right, close all

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Speaker 1: the libraries, ban all the books, roll back abortion, do

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Speaker 1: everything and anything that you can so that you seed

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Speaker 1: and breed hopelessness and despair so that you suffocate them

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Speaker 1: with complacency and the belief that they no longer have power,

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Speaker 1: because that is the biggest trick. The biggest trick is

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Speaker 1: for us to believe that there are more more of them,

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Speaker 1: single minded, narrow mind did hateful white supremacists who have

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Speaker 1: weaponized religion, weaponized the Bible in order to excuse and

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Speaker 1: celebrate their brutality. Not all wars begin with tanks and bombs.

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Speaker 1: They begin by picking away at civil liberties and freedoms

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Speaker 1: one by one by one, and they start with the

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Speaker 1: groups that are most marginalized until they get to those

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Speaker 1: that believe themselves to be at the top of the pyramid,

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Speaker 1: who think that they're safe because they have enough money, right,

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Speaker 1: they have enough whiteness, they have enough protection. But absolute

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Speaker 1: power is kind of like it's kind of like an

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Speaker 1: addict that is always looking for one more hit, that

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Speaker 1: is always looking for one more fix, until finally they

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Speaker 1: take too much and it's done. Except we can't just wait,

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Speaker 1: dear friends, for Republicans to overdose on power. You have

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Speaker 1: to understand that we have to take it back. What

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Speaker 1: does that look like? It looks like calling your representatives.

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Speaker 1: It looks like running for office. It looks like if

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Speaker 1: you have the economic ability to be donating to candidates,

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Speaker 1: not just in your states, not just in your towns,

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Speaker 1: but wherever you see democracy on the brink. It looks

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Speaker 1: like organizing. It looks like sharing these you know podcasts.

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Speaker 1: It looks like getting a collection of your friends and

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Speaker 1: family together and saying, what are we doing this week

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Speaker 1: to preserve our democracy? Because if it's just one action

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Speaker 1: that you can take a week, then take it. But

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Speaker 1: it is not enough anymore for us to sit back

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Speaker 1: type of special election for us to get our shit together.

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Speaker 1: If they are closing libraries in your fucking state, then

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Speaker 1: you pick up your picket signs, You get a collection going,

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Speaker 1: you get to know your librarians and you figure out

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Speaker 1: what the fuck they need, and you organize your community

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Speaker 1: against fascism. It is going to take us all moving

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Speaker 1: outside of what has been comfortable, what has been safe,

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Speaker 1: and recognizing that that safety has been an illusion. It

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Speaker 1: has been an illusion. Just like Americans exceptionalism. We always

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Speaker 1: have the ability to change, We always have the ability

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Speaker 1: to get woke, We always have the ability to take action.

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Speaker 1: We don't always have the will. They the opposition. They

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Speaker 1: are unrelenting. Their boot is on our neck, it is

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Speaker 1: time for us, the people, to own our power. We cannot.

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Speaker 1: We do not have the luxury to get caught up

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Speaker 1: that any time that I find myself getting down, and

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Speaker 1: it is common, I remind myself of this. My enslaved

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Speaker 1: ancestors got up every fucking day when they weren't free.

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Speaker 1: They found ritual, they created community, they sang songs, they

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Speaker 1: because masses whip and boot were literally on their backs,

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Speaker 1: on their necks, on their wounds, and they kept fighting.

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Speaker 1: So whatever it is that you need to ground yourself in,

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Speaker 1: and I'm telling you it is time that we stop

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Speaker 1: the sedation, that we lean into the meditation, and that

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Speaker 1: we move from the contemplation into action. The people that

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Speaker 1: we've been waiting for to save us are in our mirrors.

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Speaker 1: It is our time coming up next, dear friends, my

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Speaker 1: conversation with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks,

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Speaker 1: you know that whenever we have the opportunity to speak

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Speaker 1: with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, I am

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Speaker 1: always thrilled, and Jonathan, you are our eyes and ears

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Speaker 1: now on the ground in Tennessee, which is ground zero

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Speaker 1: in many ways for what is happening, not only as

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Speaker 1: it pertains to gun violence and mass shootings in the

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Speaker 1: United States, but also overall the overall threat to democracy

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Speaker 1: by an authoritarian, fascist Republican party that is committed to

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Speaker 1: shutting down voices of dissent. And so I want to

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Speaker 1: start with just in general. You're at Vanderbilt University. These

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Speaker 1: protests that we've been seeing have been led by young

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Speaker 1: people on the ground, and I've seen some that look

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Speaker 1: as young as elementary school age and others that look,

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Speaker 1: you know, to be in college, and then obviously other

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Speaker 1: older supporters. What is the feeling right now on your

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Speaker 2: There is a tremendous amount of learned helplessness that just

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Speaker 2: people like us have in Tennessee. We've been beaten into.

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Speaker 3: The ground, like you know, like for so long.

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Speaker 2: A lot of us, particularly like senior scholars like me.

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Speaker 2: You've been working on guns here and I never thought

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Speaker 2: anything would change. And the fact that these young people

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Speaker 2: are here like lifting us up, lifting us all up,

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Speaker 2: young legislators, young students. I think it's I'm winning into

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Speaker 2: a very remarkable moment. Right, protest is leading to actual change.

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Speaker 2: Right the governor, I never thought I would see it.

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Speaker 2: But even the idea that the governor of Tennessee would

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Speaker 2: even say the word gun violence strain order, let alone

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Speaker 2: think of something that is maybe linked to that. So

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Speaker 2: I think people are feeling the pressure. I think the

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Speaker 2: idea that these aren't just protesters there, it's a potentially

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Speaker 2: mobilizable voting block. I think that they the Republicans, realized

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Speaker 2: a certain way, in a certain way, And so I

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Speaker 2: do think that there is I wouldn't say optimism, but

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Speaker 2: what energy feels like is pretty incredible. The fact that

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Speaker 3: Are just said, you're not getting away with this.

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Speaker 2: So on one hand, I think there's energy, but you

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Speaker 2: know me, I'm giving you the caveat next, And the

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Speaker 2: caveat is that what got exposed here was something much bigger.

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Speaker 2: Now certainly we're having a big conversation about guns, because

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Speaker 2: there was not just a mass shooting, but a school

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Speaker 2: a school shooting where white children died, and all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, the usual bs that the NRA does after

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Speaker 2: some kind of hate crime against Christians was like laughably preposterous,

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Speaker 2: and so all of a sudden they didn't have a way.

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Speaker 2: They got exposed in a way.

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Speaker 3: So that's number one.

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Speaker 2: And number two is it with the world watching. I

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Speaker 3: With the world watching.

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Speaker 2: They expelled three people initially and turned out to be

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Speaker 3: Everybody was watching. And so.

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Speaker 2: But I think the important point is they've been getting

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Speaker 2: right right, And so this is just the one time

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Speaker 2: I apologize for getting to it a kind of roundabout way,

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Speaker 2: but what they're doing is not about guns. What they're

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Speaker 2: doing is they've figured out a way to first get

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Speaker 2: just for something that is truly terrifying, which is they

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Speaker 2: are democratically elected. Desantists did it with lawyers and das

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Speaker 2: But I would also say that the fight of what's

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Speaker 2: And so I don't know, we've always I just feel

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Speaker 2: like we undersold it when we said it was disenfranchisement.

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Speaker 2: They're not just trying to block people from voting. They're

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Speaker 2: actually throwing people out of office who were elected, which

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Speaker 3: You can do that.

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Speaker 2: That's totally anti democratic. That's the playbook. And so I

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Speaker 2: just want to highlight that what's being exposed here is

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Speaker 2: there's a much much much bigger, much bigger strategy that

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Speaker 2: I think people just really need to keep their eyes on.

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Speaker 3: The prize about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that what the Republican Party did in

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Speaker 1: Tennessee was really like against what their normal movements, right,

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Speaker 1: Their normal movements are to do things over the cloak

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Speaker 1: of darkness, do it by voice vote, do it without cameras.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, I just saw recently, you know, local

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Speaker 1: fact that the Republicans worked to kill legislation that would

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Speaker 1: alert high schoolers to when they could register to vote

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Speaker 1: getting ready to graduate. They killed that bill. They did

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Speaker 1: it by a voice vote, and they turned off the cameras, right,

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Speaker 1: And this was uncovered at a local station. And so

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Speaker 1: I think think that by virtue of them believing that

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Speaker 1: when we know that that's bullshit. Really showed. I think

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Speaker 1: the craven behavior of the Republican Party and that it

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Speaker 2: Well, we already we're having more than one messaging a

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Speaker 3: Just we got a lot of guns are out you know.

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Speaker 1: So you know, one of the things that we have

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Speaker 2: There was this graph I used to show in a

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Speaker 2: We have the exact opposite, which is an industry that

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're going to try this playbook in twenty

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Speaker 2: a very similar kind of way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, I mean, I think that we

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Speaker 1: think that we saw that happen with Lee Zelden. And

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Speaker 1: again we saw those that live in the dense urban

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Speaker 1: say yeah, that's not going to happen. And when they

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Speaker 1: realized and they saw that, for instance, you know, Hokal

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Speaker 1: we actually need to vote because we've never seen a

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Speaker 1: governor here because they've never had to be so I

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Speaker 1: think that, yes, what is happening in Tennessee can absolutely

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Speaker 1: happen in New York and as you've said, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of other urban areas. But I think that people

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Speaker 1: are now getting hipped to and dare I say, woke

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Speaker 1: to the strategy that is out play with Republicans. But Jonathan,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for keeping us informed on what's

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Speaker 1: going on in Tennessee. And I think that we're going

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Speaker 1: to be watching your adopted state for you know, for

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks and months to come to see

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Speaker 1: what happens.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 2: And I just want to say one final thing, if

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Speaker 2: you don't mind, which is we've had some powerful voices

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Speaker 2: rise to the four over the last couple of weeks. Also,

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Speaker 2: obviously the Tennessee politicians were phenomenal, all three of them

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Speaker 2: leaders for the future, for the president and the future.

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Speaker 2: I want to also say that Governor Bisher of Kentucky

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Speaker 2: was just phenomenal. I mean, his response to that horrible

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Speaker 2: shooting was incredible. I mean that's the tone we need.

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Speaker 2: And even Greg Popovich, the leader, the coach of the

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Speaker 2: San Antonio Spurs, I mean go figure, and so I

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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 3: I've been.

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Speaker 2: On this show nervous about the Democratic beant much. I've

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Speaker 2: been nervous about if Trump goes to jail and DeSantis

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Speaker 2: is the candidate, Biden's voice against somebody like that is

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Speaker 2: not going to be that great. But I have to say,

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Speaker 2: we've seen we've seen a kind of new kind of

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Speaker 2: leader emerge over the last couple of weeks that I just.

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Speaker 3: Think people should pay attention to.

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Speaker 2: I think something's happening here in terms of like how

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Speaker 2: we define a leader that is unexpected, and so I

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Speaker 2: just I'm also just going to highlight to keep an

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Speaker 2: eye on that space.

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Speaker 1: Also, absolutely, we appreciate you, Jonathan, Thank you, Take care everybody.

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Speaker 1: That is it for me today, Dear friends on Woke

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Speaker 1: a f as always, Power to the people and to

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Speaker 1: all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.