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Speaker 1: by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, Bring

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Speaker 1: here's Paul CALVICI not sure who the guy was who

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Speaker 1: came up with the it happens in threes. Is that

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that analytics question here in a minute,

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Speaker 1: because usually when you're talking about things happen in threes.

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Speaker 1: It's not good. So let's hope that Paul Podcast, Darren Urban,

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Speaker 1: and Kyle Odegard can defy the happening in threes, because

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Speaker 1: I've had one to set upon me in the last

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Speaker 1: few days. Two days ago, I walked outside of Albertson's Gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: batmobile turned into into a Mardi Gras parade float. It

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Speaker 1: Maserati that was right out of Doctor Seuss. It had

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Speaker 1: the doctors susss the deal with spots and it was

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Speaker 1: multi colored spots all over this thing. Something straight out

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Speaker 1: of what I saw in Berkeley back in the college days.

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Speaker 1: And then just to continue silly season and confirm we

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Speaker 1: now have a mock draft gentleman out of the NFL

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Speaker 1: network here today that contends the Arizona Cardinals will move

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Speaker 1: other assets too, draft oh, wide receiver. So yes, these

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Speaker 1: things do happen in threes. And yes, that was a

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Speaker 1: and cite the need for this draft to happen sooner

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Speaker 1: than later. Well, we're right on, We're right on the precipice, right, Paul.

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Speaker 1: There's this podcast, and then there's next week's podcast, and

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Speaker 1: then we're there. And that's really how everybody, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: they're coming out. I have to say that was a

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Speaker 1: it back up. The link there, Kyle was hashtag silly season.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what is the craziness that has all of

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Speaker 1: ahead of the NFL Draft. It's sort of like, did

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Speaker 1: media was peppering him with questions and his response was, look,

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Speaker 1: if you want to speculate, go trade bitcoin, which I

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Speaker 1: So the speculation is just gotten to the point of

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Speaker 1: then drafting a receiver, come on now, yeah. I mean obviously,

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Speaker 1: Do I think the Cardinals will trade up. I would

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Speaker 1: not taking them because you're not using that draft capital.

429
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: But I get the kneed perspective. But I would still

430
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,959
Speaker 1: if I'm drafting at sixteen, I would just go straight

431
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 1: favorite player on the board because I think where they're

432
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: at with their long term needs. It's it's just so

433
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: vast that I think any player that you think is

434
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl caliber player, you just grab them and

435
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 1: you figure it out. I'm sitting there at sixteen. The

436
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 1: corners are gone, pass rusher is gone that you think

437
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: is worth it at sixteen, and I'll get to that

438
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: position group in a minute. What Drew Grigson told us

439
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: in the Big Red Rage the director of a player personnel.

440
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: But I'm sitting in there at sixteen and your best

441
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: option is receiver. I'm trading down, absolutely trading down. In

442
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: the name of Henry Ruggs and Jerry Judy last year.

443
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: I don't care if DeVante Smith and Jail and Wattle

444
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: there at sixteen. I'm moving down to twenty twenty three.

445
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: I'm getting a nice asset and return. You don't have

446
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 1: a third round or you don't have a fourth round

447
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: or whatever that commands, I don't care, and then I'll

448
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: take my receiver there. The position group is deep enough

449
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 1: you might not get the guy you were thinking at sixteen.

450
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: That's the way I would approach receiver here, based on

451
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: the lack of return on investment the last few years

452
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: at that position. Okay. So my question then is if

453
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: the receiver group is so deep that you can wait

454
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 1: till later to get one, why would somebody trade up

455
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: to get a receiver when they can also wait and

456
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: get somebody later. Well, let's say maybe a quarterback is

457
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 1: still on the board at that point. You know, I'm

458
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: not saying that the team trading up is going after

459
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 1: a receiver, but they might have a different need that

460
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: So you're counting on somebody wanting to move up though

461
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: I'm working the phones. I'm working the phones. Any takers

462
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: who wants sixteen, let me here your best offer. You've

463
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: got seven minutes. Okay, So here here's the guy approach.

464
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: Here's the question, then, Paul, you work the phones, you

465
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: can't You don't get either they're asking you to go

466
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: from sixteen to thirty and you don't like it, or

467
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: you can't get any takers, and you're on the board

468
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 1: with sixteen and those the corners are off the board,

469
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: and and and the best player on your board is

470
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: a receiver. You're still not taking a receiver. That receiver

471
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 1: better be a significant margin ahead of any other player

472
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: available on my top one twenty. That would be my

473
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: answer to that, you're getting way too caught up in

474
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: the statistical noise of recent first round retiver is not

475
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: playing well. I mean, if you had a bigger sample

476
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: size or anything like definitive that receivers always are less

477
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: productive than their draft stock, that's fine. But I think

478
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: one or two or three years of you're talking about

479
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: maybe ten wide receivers in total and judging this year's

480
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: draft class off of what they did, I think we'll

481
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: just put you in a bad spot. I think it's

482
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 1: all about the evaluation of the prospects. I mean, we've

483
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: seen Odell Beckham come in and light things on fire,

484
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: and Mike Evans and Julio Jones is a first round

485
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: pick justin Jefferson. I mean, there's plenty of first round

486
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: wide receivers that have been great, and there's plenty that

487
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: have busted. And it's probably about the same bus rate

488
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 1: as every other position, because if there was a clear

489
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: data out there that a certain position is not worth

490
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: it in the first round, those players would move down.

491
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: And they have at running back, and that's been kind

492
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: of born out. But I don't think that's the case

493
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: a receiver. I think that position is becoming more important

494
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: as we become a passing league. So once again, if

495
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 1: there's if my top rated guy as a receiver at sixteen,

496
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: I would definitely take him. You know, this is just

497
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: my thought and I don't have the data in my fingertips.

498
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 1: If you had zoom out to ten, fifteen, twenty years,

499
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: I would agree with you. Last five years, no, no,

500
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: if you go back to the lack of success in

501
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: first round receivers the last five years. So you're right,

502
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,959
Speaker 1: I am basing it on that. Perhaps I'm putting too

503
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: much stock in that. I will say though, that running

504
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: back to me, is a good comp for the receiver position.

505
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: I do think of the receiver position right here, right

506
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: now akin to running back. Unless the guy is Adrian Peterson.

507
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going top ten at that position. I'm just not.

508
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: So you're right. We do have a difference in opinion

509
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: on that one. What about this? And I saw this

510
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: are Craig Griolo actually made this a featured element in

511
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: a tweet from his Cover two show here recently, and

512
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: it was something that I was hitting on strong around

513
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl? Was I not Kyle when I'm saying, Oh,

514
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: draft Gods, let a Devin White fall to the Arizona

515
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: Cardinals at sixteen, A Roquan Smith, A Fred Warner, a

516
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,479
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner, Luke Keikley. There is that guy in the

517
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: middle of the first round. Make him your guy, because

518
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: what that guy can do in the middle of your defense?

519
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: So what about it, gentlemen? What if, oh, I don't know,

520
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons as a bit of a questionable character grade

521
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: by a lot of teams. If Micah Parsons of Penn

522
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: State starts to be the guy, that guy who falls,

523
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: what do you do at sixteen? Darren? It's funny because

524
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 1: the first thing I thought of when you just rattled

525
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: off all those guys was they all went well before sixteen,

526
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, so those guys don't usually last all the

527
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: way to the middle of the round. Now I know

528
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: you're saying the character issue. You mean, like Ruben Foster

529
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: fell when he was maybe gonna go and Ruben Foster

530
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: would be the case not to do my center. That's

531
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: kind of absolutely right. Ruben Foster is by far the

532
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: worst draft pick the Niners have had in a long time.

533
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that every case when it comes to

534
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: quote unquote character is absolutely on its own. But I

535
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: would think that this year, with as many hindrances as

536
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: the scouting process has provided because of the pandemic, I

537
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: am not rolling the dice on something that I'm not

538
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: rolling the dice on character. I'm not doing the Candici

539
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: thing or the Tyron Matthew thing. I mean, Lesson's later.

540
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: You know, if we're talking third round with Tyren Matthew,

541
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: that's a whole different ballgame. But I'm not spending a

542
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: first round pick on a guy now. I don't know

543
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: much about his background. I've heard good things about him

544
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 1: as a player, so I don't know. I don't know

545
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: to what you speak of at this point, but I

546
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: will say this that I am not I'm not rolling

547
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: the dice. I need a guy. I need a guy

548
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: that I know is going to be the right guy.

549
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: All right, So let's test Kyle's devotion to his best

550
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: player available theory. If Michael Parsons is there and he's

551
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: the best guy on your board, are you on board

552
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: with that? Yeah? Well, first of all, I want to

553
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: do best player available in a tier system of premium

554
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: positions too, so he could be the best player. But

555
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: he's an inside linebacker, so that knocks him down. But

556
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: at number sixteen, I think an inside linebacker is in

557
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: play if you think he's, you know, one of a

558
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: top five athlete in the draft and he's sitting there

559
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: at sixteen. I mean, inside linebacker isn't as important as

560
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: outside linebacker and corner. But we saw the Daryl Washington

561
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: Carlos Stansby duo and how good those two were and

562
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: how much better they made the defense. So it's not

563
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: like there's this tremendous premium positions and lesser positions. If

564
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 1: you get the best inside linebacker in the NFL, that

565
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: is still going to be a huge boon for your defense,

566
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: So I'm fine with it. I mean, if if Micah

567
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,479
Speaker 1: Parsons is your number one ranged guy right there, I

568
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: think you draft him, and then I mean you figure

569
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: it out when he's a rookie. Maybe you move Isaiah

570
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: Simmons around a lot more because he's gonna plunk in

571
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: or he plays half the time until he's ready to

572
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: play full time. But sure, I mean Micah Parsons and

573
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons in the middle of your defense. You can

574
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: dream about that. So all things being equal, I'd take

575
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: the pass rusher in the corner. But if you're talking

576
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: about the fourth corner or the best inside linebacker, then yeah,

577
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: I think you do take a Michael Parsons. And again

578
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: being the splash of cold water on this. Just like

579
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: need is factored in when they start ranking their tears

580
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: and the best players, so is character, So that also

581
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: could play into it. He might you might think he's

582
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: the best linebacker ever. And if a guy has issues

583
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: off the field, big time issues off the field, that

584
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: might move them all the way down out of your

585
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: top twenty. So you just don't know how they're going

586
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: to rank these guys. I'll just throw this out there.

587
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: It's still a copycat league. The team that just won

588
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl had Lavante David and Devin White at

589
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: inside linebacker, right along lines of a Darryl Washington Carlos Stancy.

590
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: He named some of the great duos you know about

591
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: back in Carolina's heyday when they had Luke Keikley and

592
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: Thomas Davis. Think of it, so, yes, think of Isaiah

593
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: Simmons and a Michael Parsons. You're not wrong, but that

594
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: duo didn't even make the playoffs until Tom Brady showed up.

595
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: So let's not get too far ahead of ourselves of

596
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: what they meant. And it's for the tier system. You're right,

597
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: Steve Kimes still ascribes to the quarterback, left tackle, cornerback,

598
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: edge Russer philosophy in that first round, So you know,

599
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: ideally that's where you're going, especially the top half of

600
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: the first round. Now you're getting in the middle of

601
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: the first round, perhaps that's more likely to change, and

602
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure it will. I mean, he took Isaiah Simmons,

603
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: who's a hybrid but inside backer, and he took a

604
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: Son Reddick to play inside backer so early he's willing

605
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: to do it after the top five. So there you go. Okay,

606
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: you guys are on board. Let's move on then round two.

607
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: I will say something definitive after we spoke with Drew Grigson,

608
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: Cardinals director, a player personnel in the Big Red Rage,

609
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: and we just asked him about general depth in this

610
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: draft and open any question. And he said, you know what,

611
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: and this never happens. Do you know the deepest position

612
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: group twenty twenty one pass rusher edge rusher? I said, really,

613
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: because she's Can you think of another year where the

614
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: deepest position group was edge rusher? Come on, now, right,

615
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: you can usually count it on one hand. If that so,

616
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: here's my prediction. We already haggled out which way the

617
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: Cardinals are going to go on round one, But gentlemen,

618
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: you gotta agree that in round two, considering the status

619
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: of a Chandler Jones an unknown going forward and Marcus

620
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: Gold and also be in thirty years of age plus,

621
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: guess what I think they're going edge rusher in round

622
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: two just based on depth alone, Darren. And you're sort

623
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: of giving me that glimmer. Your your glasses are tilted

624
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: back a little bit, and uh, you know, your jaws

625
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: set to the side. Here it comes well, I mean

626
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: I don't think they're would they mind an edge rusher

627
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: if the right guy's there? Yeah, But it's funny. Recently

628
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: I had a chance to talk to former defensive tackle

629
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: Gabe Watson, and he was talking about when he got

630
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: drafted and the year that Gabe Watson got drafted, which

631
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: I believe was oh six, he called the conversation he

632
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: had with Danny Green or Danny's like, I really love you,

633
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: and I think your first round pick. So I don't

634
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: think by the time we get around to picking you,

635
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: uh we we uh will be able to because you'll

636
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: be long off the board because in the first round

637
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: we're going to get a quarterback. In the second round,

638
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a running back and whatever whatever the

639
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: story was, and it just cracked me up because I'm like,

640
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: that was kind of Denny. I remember being at the

641
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: Combine one year and he was doing his press with

642
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: the media and it was the JJ Arrington draft and

643
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: he basically all but announced that they were going to

644
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: take JJ Arrington in the second round, which is exactly

645
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: what they did. And I just maybe that's just how

646
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: Denny worked things as opposed to all the cloak and

647
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: dagger that we normally have around the draft. But that said,

648
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: when you sit here and say, well, second round, they're

649
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: gonna go pass rusher, I don't think it works that way.

650
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: I mean, would they like a pass rusher if Denny

651
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: was in the room where they have already decided they're

652
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: taking a pass rusher in the second round. Perhaps, but

653
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that they're gonna lock in

654
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: and say, well, wait, this receiver who we really like

655
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: in the second round, after we got this cornerback in

656
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: the first round, and we might need a receiver down

657
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: the road, we might just spend the second pick on

658
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: a on a wide receiver, or this this offensive guard

659
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: who we think slipped a little bit. I mean, those

660
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: are also very strong possible. He's to me than just

661
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: going all Denny Green and saying, well, we'll take a

662
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: pass rusher. The only other coach I can recall who

663
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: would do that, who would have that sort of audacity

664
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians. Bruce Arians, and I remember we talked to

665
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: him about this later. It was an interview on one

666
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: of his coaches shows, and he had talked about a

667
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: certain draft pick in the pre draft pressor, of which

668
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: historically nothing has said, nothing concrete or detailed, and he

669
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: actually named a few names in that press conference. He

670
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: told us on his Coaches show that oh, yeah, well

671
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: everybody thinks you're lying, so I just told the truth

672
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: and nobody believes you anyway, So there's no risk there's

673
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: no harm, no foul because there's no risk because nobody

674
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: thinks you're giving him real info anyway. Oh okay, So

675
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: here's my question to the two of you. Twenty fourteen.

676
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: He comes out the second day of the drafted, the

677
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: second day and he goes, we're not drafting a quarterback

678
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: because he didn't take Derek Carr whatever he didn't do.

679
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: And then the next day of the first pick in

680
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 1: the fourth round, they take Logan Thomas and he tells

681
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 1: us all he lied. So the question is, did Bruce

682
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: really lie the day before or did he tell the

683
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: truth that they weren't taking a quarterback and then they

684
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: just changed their minds after he walked away from us.

685
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: I have a theory on that one. I'm not reporting.

686
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I don't think Bruce Arians or any

687
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: of the coaches we're on board with Logan Thomas. I'll

688
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: just leave it there. That was a division of church

689
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: and state, and I think that came from above, and

690
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: I'll just leave it right there. Kyle, See, I was

691
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: gonna say the opposite. I thought he liked Logan Thomas

692
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: and liked the idea of him and had that Virginia

693
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: Tech background and all that, but I don't know, and

694
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: we're just gonna stop talking about that now. Yeah no,

695
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: if not pass rusher in round two, Kyle, I mean,

696
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: do you have an inkling okay as to what position

697
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: they might target in round two and then hit zoom

698
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: out on round two? In general, they don't have a

699
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: third round pick, they don't have a fourth round pick.

700
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: I mean, they better make that one count, right. Yeah, No,

701
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think edge rusher gets a

702
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: little bit lost in this conversation because cornerback has been

703
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: the heavy theme and then wide receiver I think to

704
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 1: an extent. But I agree with you when you look

705
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: at beyond twenty twenty one, there are some questions at

706
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: edge rusher, and I think it's it's legitimately in that

707
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: top three with cornerback and wide receiver, So all things

708
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: being equal, I think they're gonna look closely at that group,

709
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: and I think there's depth in part because there isn't

710
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: elite talent at edge rusher, where there's questions about all

711
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: the top guys and there might not be a top

712
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: ten edge rusher, which is pretty rare these days. Everybody's

713
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: looking for them and wants them, so I think that

714
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: might play into it, but overall, yeah, I mean, when

715
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: you look at how few picks you have in the

716
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: top four rounds, with just first and second, I think

717
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: it's integral for the future of this team to hit

718
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 1: on both of them, you know, in a perfect world,

719
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: because we're very focused on the here and now in

720
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two, and most of

721
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: this core is going to be here for that, and

722
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: then I think there's question marks about what it's going

723
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: to look like after that, and I think you need

724
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: to start grooming some young players to become impact pieces.

725
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: And it's obviously lottery tickets when you're talking about fifth

726
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: and six and seventh round picks, but these first and

727
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: second rounders can be core players. And we see it

728
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: right now. The Buddha Bakers and the Kyler Murray's and

729
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: the Bayern Murphy's. I mean, all those guys are key

730
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: players for this team. And I just think hitting on

731
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: these two picks this season is so essential because of

732
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 1: how few picks you have and because of how few

733
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: guys are under contract past twenty twenty two. Because Darren

734
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: at Kyle's point about the importance of these draft picks

735
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: right here, right now, not just in the absence of

736
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: certain draft picks that were traded away, whether the Rodney

737
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: Hudson deal or the fourth rounder DeAndre Hopkins. That clock

738
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: you're here ticking in the background isn't just for the

739
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: sixteenth pick over all in the twenty twenty one draft.

740
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: That's not having a rookie quarterback contract under your cap.

741
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: Cardinals are a year or two away from not being

742
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: afforded that luxury. So to Kyle's point, it is more

743
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: important than ever I would think that you are grooming

744
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: a significant crop of young guys on rookie deals. Yeah,

745
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: there's no question that they've kind of you know, they're

746
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: in a position right now where it could get real

747
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: sticky going forward if they don't hit on some of

748
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: these drop picks. And that's why when you're not hitting

749
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: on the draft or where you're even trading it away

750
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: for other stuff, that it can be an issue. And

751
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: they really could use I mean, people are going to

752
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: look at two fifths and a seventh or whatever, a

753
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: fifth and two seventh whatever they have and think, Okay,

754
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: this is the back end of the draft. I mean,

755
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: if they could somehow get a starter out of one

756
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: of those picks, and that's a stretch. At this point,

757
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: they probably would just take you know, depth with all

758
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: three of those guys, but if they could somehow get

759
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: at least one starter out of that, that would be

760
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: gigantic with where they are right now, because you you

761
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: do get in in a tough spot and uh, you know, look,

762
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: I think everybody kind of addresses their needs in a

763
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: completely i would say, completely different ways. There's only so

764
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: many ways you can do it. But like teams can

765
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: do it. Wait, I mean there are teams that stockpile

766
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: draft picks, and that still doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna

767
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 1: win a bunch of games. So you still got to

768
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: be able to hit on those guys. And as Kyle

769
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: was saying earlier, there's there's a bus factor at every

770
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: position period, end of story. I mean, we're gonna we're

771
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: gonna see three quarterbacks taken in the first three picks

772
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: at least, and potentially four or five quarterbacks in the

773
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 1: top ten, and atlast half of them are gonna probably

774
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: wash out. That's what the statistics say. So I mean,

775
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: and those are all guys that teams are counting on

776
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: being you know, their future So look, this is we

777
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: say this every year, how to do better in the draft.

778
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: I know fans get struggled with how steep time drafts

779
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: and what he's going to but the reality is is

780
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: a you're gonna miss on some guys just automatically because

781
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: those are the numbers, and be You're right, they better

782
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: start hitting on some of those younger players because they

783
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: need to start filling out the roster with guys that

784
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: are going to be around for three or four or

785
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: five years at a relatively cheap contract. And that's why

786
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: I feel like you can't handicap yourself by saying I'm

787
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: going to take a corner at sixteen, even if it's

788
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: our fourth favorite cornerback. Like I just think you have

789
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: to keep a complete open mind. We've been talking so

790
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: much about when now in free agency, and that's obviously

791
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: the time to plug the holes because you can get

792
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: the veterans like a James Connor and a Malcolm Butler

793
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: and really address your needs. And I just really zoom

794
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: out when it comes to the first round of the draft,

795
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: because this is a guy that you just need in

796
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: three or four years when you have no idea what

797
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: your roster composition is going to be. And if you

798
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: if you prioritize a cornerback over a better player at

799
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: another position, that just has the potential to be. I

800
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 1: just think it has a lot of downside potential because

801
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: you're not taking the better player if you prioritize positional

802
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: need too much. As you go from a first round

803
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: pick this year to a second round pick, no third,

804
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: no fourth, you have a fifth, a six, and two

805
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 1: seventh And guess what. You can't count on a fifth,

806
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,479
Speaker 1: sixth or seventh round pick to be a contributor this year?

807
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Do they have a sixth? Yes, a fifth,

808
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: a six and two sevenths And they picked up a

809
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: six somewhere along the way because they traded away the

810
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: sixth of the Giants and the Marcus Golden deal. Oh,

811
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: they got the sixth from Mason Cole's right there you go.

812
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: So so that's where they stand right now. But there's

813
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: a huge gap between first and second round picks and

814
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden bringing in a fifth round

815
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: rookie and beyond. So yeah, I agree with the Kyle

816
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: that you're right. You can't make a mistake and inevitably

817
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: if you're going to force a position that's going to

818
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: lead to a mistake. I guess my question becomes, if

819
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: not corner in round one or round two, Okay, do

820
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: you pick up the phone, Hey, Richard Sherman, you want

821
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: to stay in the NFC West. I mean, what are

822
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: you doing at that point? I think, I mean Darren's

823
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: point from a couple of podcasts Ago has really stuck

824
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: with me. Where you have some cornerbacks out there on

825
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: the free agent market that clearly aren't going to cost

826
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 1: a lot. If you look at the cardinal salary cap space,

827
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: they have plenty of room to maneuver if they want

828
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: to bring in a name. And I just think that's

829
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: a definite option, Like, don't force yourself into grabbing a

830
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 1: corner in the first or second round if you don't

831
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: love him, because Okay, it looks great on paper in June,

832
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: in July, and then you get to camp and he's

833
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: not ready, and you're not in any better position than

834
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: you were before the draft started. So I think there

835
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: are plenty of cornerbacks out there. I mean, Drake Kirkpatrick

836
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: came in and did fine. He wasn't great, but he

837
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: was fine. I mean, you can find guys that can

838
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: at least do it. There's a lot of veteran cornerbacks

839
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 1: on the market, so I think that's just really stuck

840
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: with me. Where you don't have to force cornerback, even

841
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: though everybody thinks you do. I think, yeah, in a

842
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: perfect world, if you get one, you feel really good

843
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: because now you have somebody that you can build around them.

844
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: And Buyer Murphy, you like those two already, but just

845
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: don't force it. I tend to agree with this, and

846
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 1: the deal is this. And we always hear the cliche

847
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: of you know, athletes or even coaches or front office

848
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: blocking out the noise. I mean, I think this is

849
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: one of those things where you block out the noise. Look,

850
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: Steve Kime knows this reality. A lot of fans are

851
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: grumpy with him because of a lot of the draft

852
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: picks that he's taken over the years, So he knows this.

853
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: He's in a knowing situation. I mean, unless he has

854
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: the best draft class of all time, which we're not

855
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: even going to know for a while, he's not going

856
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: to change everybody's minds all of a sudden. It's gonna

857
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: usually it looks good on day on the during the draft,

858
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: and then we have to see how it plays out.

859
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: We all know that if they don't take a cornerback

860
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: with one of the first two picks, the sky will

861
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: be falling from the entire fan base. And he knows that.

862
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: So why worry about it? Because if you take a

863
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: cornerback and one of the first two picks and you

864
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: do it, you feel like you need one, like Kyle said,

865
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: and he fizzles out, the fan base is gonna h Anyways,

866
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: from the outside looking in, the Cardinals, according to some

867
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: of the websites attract this sort of stuff, have thirteen

868
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: million plus in cap room right now. You have to

869
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: account for your draft class obviously that comes out of

870
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: that pool of money, but there is available money. They

871
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: don't end up getting in that corner in round one,

872
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden that becomes a dire

873
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: need and you just need bodies period. Then you go

874
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: out into the market and there's still plenty of free

875
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: agents available, as you guys, you guys detailed right there.

876
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: So okay, I would say this going into Thursday night

877
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: in the draft April twenty nine, it doesn't appear from

878
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: the outside looking in that the Cardinals have any glaring weaknesses.

879
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: After picking up Malcolm Butler, after picking up James Connor,

880
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: after bolstering the offensive line, signing Marcus Golden, making the

881
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: deal for JJ Watt, etc. I mean, Kyle, would you

882
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 1: agree with that? I mean, there isn't an obvious, really

883
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: painfully obvious direction the Cardinals might go with sixteen overall. Yeah,

884
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it is painfully obvious like

885
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: we've talked about, because I don't think you should target

886
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: a position that even if it is a need. But

887
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: I do feel like the second cornerback and tight end

888
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: are the two spots remaining where you probably need some

889
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: sort of valuable player at those two positions. And whether

890
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: that's sixteen second round free agency, I don't know, but

891
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: I think by the time when we get to camp

892
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: you look at the roster, those would be the two

893
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: spots where I would be feeling better as the GM

894
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: if if I have a another option at number two corner,

895
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: if I have a tight end that can catch passes

896
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 1: in the Dan Arnold type realm, because you've got Max

897
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: Williams and he's done a nice job when he's been

898
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 1: on the field, he's been a little bit injury prone.

899
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: And then Drell Daniels is the next guy behind him.

900
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: So I still think tight end and cornerback are the

901
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: two main ones to me, but I don't I just

902
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: don't subscribe to I'm taking a corner at sixteen and

903
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm taking a tight end in the second round because

904
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: I think there are myriad ways to figure out ways

905
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: to patch those holes. I will say that I'm looking

906
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: forward to the Robert Alford Revenge Tour that's inevitably coming.

907
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: As we all write him off and he comes in

908
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: and he plays at a near pro bowl level, it's good,

909
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: a good ring to it. He should come in with

910
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: a concert tea, the Robert Alford Revenge Tour twenty twenty one.

911
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: That would be a good concert tee. Hey, you just

912
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: list all the Cardinals opponents on the back, and then

913
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: maybe another column instead of cities on the concert tour,

914
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,959
Speaker 1: just be number of media people who you know wrote

915
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: him off. And you know I just named names on

916
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: the back back of that T shirt. That's pretty solid

917
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: and somebody needs where's the intern? We need to make

918
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: that happen around here. By the way, I'm gonna put

919
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: you guys on the spot. Who wants who wants? The

920
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: zach Ertz question? When you talk about tight end, there

921
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: have been multiple sightings of zach Ertz in the valley

922
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: anecdotally from his wife is from Mesa Jolly Johnson, you know,

923
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: all USA soccer player. Now, Julie Arts makes sense. Okay,

924
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: what's the deal with the Eagles right now? I mean,

925
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: aren't aren't relations pretty poor there zach Ertz and the

926
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: Eagles having The Eagles tried to get a pretty penny

927
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: in return for zach Ertz, even though I think the

928
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: rest of the league is anticipating they're gonna have to

929
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: either deal him for pennies on the dollar or just

930
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: flat out release him. I tell you, the longer the

931
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: offseason goes on and that tight end position is not addressed,

932
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: and I do not expect the Cardinals to address it

933
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: in the draft with since their low on picks, unless

934
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: it's a FI six or seventh rounder, then I really wonder. Okay,

935
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: is zach Ertz still on the radar somehow, some way? Kyle, Yeah,

936
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: And that's what I mean by there's myriad ways to

937
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: fill these holes, because right now, maybe you don't like

938
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: the compensation it would take to trade for zach Ertz

939
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: or whoever, but maybe in two months that changes and

940
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: it's a more plaudable deal to you, And who knows

941
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: what the behind the scenes conversations are, Like, I mean,

942
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: you bring up zach Ertz, but there's always like multiple

943
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: things going on with different players in different positions that

944
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 1: we have no idea about until it comes out. DeAndre

945
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 1: Hopkins last year, nobody knew he was on the block

946
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: until he was traded. So I think there's always the

947
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: behind the scene things that we don't really know about

948
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: in the media at large that can happen. And that's

949
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 1: why I just feel like the Cardinals have some cap room,

950
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: they have draft assets next season, their in wind now mode.

951
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: I think there's there's a lot of different avenues to

952
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 1: filling any perceived roster holes, and I think you just

953
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 1: can't can't keep such a keen eye on this first

954
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: and second round picks because there's still a lot of

955
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 1: free agents. There's trade possibilities, there's the draft. I think

956
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: all three are avenues for potential success. This is sports

957
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: talk radio, Okay, Paul Pencilneck on line two. Here we go,

958
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: first time caller, here's my trade. Here we go, justin Murray,

959
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: Howie Roseman, you're listening Justin Murray, Devon Kannard and a

960
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: fifth round pick for zach Ertz. Let's make it happen

961
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: something like that here and on Draft Day, a draft

962
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: day deal, I mean, allah, Kevin Costner, Okay, this is

963
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: some sort of deal comes down like the movies, and

964
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: zach Ertz ends up in a Cardinals uniform. Why why

965
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: would they want? No? I just don't see that Sports

966
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: Talk Radio, the trade doesn't have to make sense. I'm

967
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: just throwing it out there. That's fair, that's fair, and

968
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: that's just me with my dramatic reenactment of what I

969
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: think might just happen on Draft Day or Draft weekend.

970
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: Maybe a deal is finalized for zach Ertz by the Eagles. Maybe.

971
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: I just the problem with Arts is he's already making

972
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: I think eight million dollars this year and he's going

973
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: into his contract here. So are you going to do

974
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: a rental for a draft pick in which you're probably

975
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: gonna want to pay him a lot of money? I

976
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 1: just I don't think it makes a lot of sense

977
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: for here, for the amount that they use their tight end.

978
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: But that's just me. Well, Drew Grigson did tell us

979
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: on the Big Red Rage that quote. The shoeprints are

980
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: on the table. End quote. That was in response to

981
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: Wolf's question about whether all the arguments have been hashed

982
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: out in the war room about how to construct the

983
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 1: big board, and guys who have been tracking and covering

984
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: a player and analyzing and rating a guy for two

985
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 1: or three years feel passionately about their player, and so

986
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: their spirited discussion. Sometimes Drew has to just step in

987
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: with his five hundred pound bench press and separate guys.

988
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: You know, and you know, but that right now the

989
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: Cardinals top once he has formulated. Whether there's adjustments between

990
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: now and draft night, we'll see, But that's what they

991
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: operate on. I mean, that's that's the method, correct how Yeah,

992
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: and they and like Darren talked about, there is some

993
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: focus on roster needs within that. It's not just a

994
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: straight one hundred and twenty best players, because quarterback would

995
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: be devalued this year. I mean safety. Maybe you love

996
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: a safety prospect, but if he's anywhere close to a cornerback,

997
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: you're leaning corner over safety because of what you got

998
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: right now. So I think that plays into it. But overall, yeah,

999
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: they get that one twenty and then they're taking the

1000
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: guesswork and the anxiety out of draft day because it's

1001
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: you know, you're just crossing off names or taking them

1002
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: off the board, and then you have a good idea

1003
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: who's going to be there when you're on the clock,

1004
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: and you want to go through those scenarios in the

1005
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: week or two leading up to it and saying, Okay,

1006
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: if it's down to these three guys, who do we

1007
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: want Because the last thing you want is to be

1008
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: on the clock with ten or fifteen minutes whatever it is,

1009
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: trying to have a debate. I mean, you want to

1010
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: have all that fleshed out and decided on so there's

1011
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: no second guessing and no changing. And you know, I'm

1012
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: sure it happens. There's a lot of different forces involved

1013
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: and a lot of people that have strong opinions. But

1014
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 1: anything you can do prior is a good thing because

1015
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: you want to have a very clear idea of your

1016
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: plan going in a draft day. As I pause for effect,

1017
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: because that leaves us with one unanswered question, what is

1018
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald's status in the draft? I was hoping we'd

1019
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: get to this. Does that matter for Steve Kim in

1020
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 1: the war room? Does he need to know what Larry

1021
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: s does he know? And we don't know? Where are

1022
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: we in the Larry equation right now? Anybody, everybody, what

1023
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: can you offer? I did enjoy I got a tweet

1024
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: yesterday with somebody say saying, what's going on with Larry?

1025
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: We're almost to the draft. The fans need to know?

1026
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 1: And I'm like, wow, I gotta be honest. I'll due

1027
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: respect to the fans or even us, like I'm thinking

1028
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: we're down on the priority list on who actually needs

1029
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: to know that information? Where's Mark Dalton Cardinals VP? We

1030
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: need him? Isn't that? It's the end of the Jack

1031
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: Nicholson and Tom Cruise and a few good men. What

1032
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: is it? Uh? You know, I want to know. You

1033
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: have a right to know. What is it? They go

1034
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: back and forth at the end of the day, right

1035
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: something like that. Well, you know, the fans they're they're empowered.

1036
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: Uh and uh, you know they'd like to play, um,

1037
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, their their own draft cap experts. So everyone's wondering.

1038
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: Speaking of tweets though, and Larry, glad you brought that up, Darren,

1039
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: because I got one here at Paul Calvci. I love

1040
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: that you are in the Grassy Knoll just listen to

1041
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: your recent podcast quote thus far, this is from a

1042
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,479
Speaker 1: man by name of Travis and he has some sort

1043
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: of doctorate designation on the end of his Twitter handle. Okay,

1044
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 1: a man with a PhD. Apparently I was hoping it

1045
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: was from fit. He continues here with it thus far.

1046
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: Having training in psychiatry, I can confirm that the expression

1047
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: alludes to the idea that he may have more football

1048
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: in his future. Hashtag forty in slipt. There you go.

1049
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: Took a week and it took a PhD to weigh

1050
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: in via Twitter, but there you go. Finally someone is

1051
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: in the Pauly pencil net camp. When it comes to

1052
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald, hashtag thus far, You're twelve weeks of Flarry

1053
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald theories have finally paid off. So now we are

1054
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: confident that we So what's it gonna be? He's coming back?

1055
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: Is that what he's saying, Well, he's coming back to

1056
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: the game. Kyle. This is my latest theory that, in

1057
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: relation to our earlier theory from last week, actually was

1058
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 1: on the back of something you had thrown out there.

1059
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: This is a you know, this is teamwork here compound theories.

1060
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: I like, that's how this is you know, it's a

1061
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: great idea. You get a bunch of people in a

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00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: room and you throw stuff out and it's it's a

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00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: catalyst for other ideas. So the reason we don't know

1064
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: about Larry's because he has no interest in participating in

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00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: this offseason. There are two destinations for Larry Fitzherald most

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00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: likely be comes back. It'll be the Cardinals. Okay, I'm

1067
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: with you guys on that one. But there's another offensive

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00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: playbook out there that he doesn't need an offseason to

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00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: learn because he had five years in it and it

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00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: happens to be in Tampa. So if there's another offseason

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00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: where he can just give himself thirty six holes of

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00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: golf every single day and not have to worry about

1073
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: the nuisance of virtual zoom sessions. In season eighteen, it

1074
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: would be Bruce Arians and the Buccaneers, and he's coming back.

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00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: It's gonna be one destination or the other. You can

1076
00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,479
Speaker 1: set your odds accordingly on the Cardinals versus Buccaneers. That's

1077
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: where we're at right now. I think you accidentally maybe

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00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: brought up a good point about the draft, because I mean,

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00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: he's almost out of sight, out of mind for me,

1080
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: right now, we're talking about the Cardinals taking a wide

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00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: receiver at sixteen, and if that happens, does fits have

1082
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: anywhere to play? I mean, if you talk about a

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00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle or a DeVante Smith, does that completely shut

1084
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: the door on it? I mean, yes, I never even

1085
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: know he's not coming back to the Cardinals if they

1086
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: go receiver at sixteen. Yeah, And I didn't even really

1087
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: think about it. He's just been kind of outside of

1088
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: the purview doing this draft stuff. But that is kind

1089
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: of interesting where and if you're Steve come I don't

1090
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: think that can factor in at all. You're looking long

1091
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: term for this team. And if you love a Jalen Waddle,

1092
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,479
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith, whoever, if they're there at sixteen, I don't

1093
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: think you can consider. Even though Larry Fitzgerald means a

1094
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: ton for this organization, you have to decide what's best

1095
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one and and if you love that player,

1096
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: I think you take him and then, yeah, if that happens,

1097
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: there's going to be a lot of concern about what

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00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: that means for Larry Fitzgerald. That's funny because I twice

1099
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: in my career I've gone to a veteran quarterback when

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00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: they were still on a point where they were playing

1101
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: a lot to ask them when the drumbeat was loud

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00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: that the Cardinals might take a quarterback in the first

1103
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: round or a quarterback period, maybe not the first round.

1104
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: I was still with the Tribune in two thousand and

1105
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 1: six when I managed to talk to Kurt Warner in March,

1106
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: early March whatever it was, and asked him how he

1107
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: felt if the Cardinals were to take his successor in

1108
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: the first round, because there were guys like Vince Young

1109
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: and Matt Leinert and Jay Cutler available, and Kurt Warner,

1110
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: in no uncertain terms, said he didn't understand why you'd

1111
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: want to take a quarterback in the round. This team

1112
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: was close enough to win. Give me, let's get a

1113
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: player that's going to help us right away rather than

1114
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna sit behind me for the time being. Flash

1115
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: forward to twenty I think it was twenty sixteen. Maybe

1116
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: well before you do that, though, Darren. Two thousand and six,

1117
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: what did the Cardinals do? Number ten overall? Matt Leiner

1118
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: usc and Matt Not only did they take Matt Liner,

1119
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: but Kurt started the season made a two and a

1120
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: half games before he fumbled ten times in two and

1121
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: a half games and got benched and then all hell

1122
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: broke loose the rest of that season. Believe me, I

1123
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: was there Danny Green ripped the microphone out of my

1124
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: hand in Atlanta and declared Matt Leiner at the starter.

1125
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: So that's a whole other story. Then in twenty sixteen

1126
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: or so, I remember going to talk to Carson Palmer

1127
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: and saying, Okay, there's a lot of talk that this

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01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: team could take a quarterback as your eventual successor, and

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01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer couldn't have been more like I would totally

1130
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: understand it. I mean, I'm not going to be playing

1131
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: this game forever, and you know, if they want to

1132
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: take somebody to learn under me, I could completely understand it.

1133
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: I would have no problem take if they took a quarterback.

1134
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: And it was just it's striking to me a little

1135
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: bit that the dichotomy, you know, I think fits is

1136
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: at a point in his career where he's had a

1137
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: lot of guys come through anyways that may or may

1138
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: not have replaced them. I mean Michael Floyd. They took

1139
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: Michael Floyd because they thought it was gonna be good,

1140
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: and I know it was back in twenty twelve, so

1141
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: it seems like a lifetime ago. They took Michael Floyd

1142
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: to replace Larry Fitzgerald. That's why they took Michael Floyd.

1143
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: The thought process was Larry had another year or two

1144
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: to go or so before it wasn't gonna work anymore,

1145
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: and Michael Floyd would be a nice guy to step in.

1146
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: And I remember even joking with Michael Floyd, who did

1147
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: not necessarily like doing a lot of media. And I

1148
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 1: remember one time Larry was doing his little post practice

1149
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: scrum by his locker and I didn't have to be

1150
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: over there for it, and Michael Floyd kind of comes

1151
01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: over and he's kind of looking at it, and I

1152
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: sidled up to him. I said, hey, I said, when

1153
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: he retires, that's that's gonna be your gig. You're gonna

1154
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: have the big scrum. But he looked at me and

1155
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: he's like, Noah, ain't yeah that is that is so

1156
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: Michael Floyd, You're right. But yeah, I totally forgot about that.

1157
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: And that's almost a decade ago. They ostensibly drafted Larry

1158
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald's replacement in Round one thirteen. Overall, if memory serves,

1159
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: with Michael Floyd. Yeah, you're you're absolutely right. Hey, I

1160
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't put it past Larry just announcing Betty retires. If

1161
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: that surround he goes during draft weekend, If it's about

1162
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: reducing the fanfare and minimizing the headlines, you know what,

1163
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: just bury it in the middle around one somewhere around

1164
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: Thursday's Thursday night's draft. Oh and by the way, footnote

1165
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: number eleven has retired after seventeen seasons. I guess I

1166
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: don't really understand the reducing fanfare aspects. Can't you just

1167
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: go to an island and turn off his phone and

1168
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: come back and three weeks I mean, the news cycle

1169
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: goes so fast. I mean, obviously people will say a

1170
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: lot of nice things about him, but if he really

1171
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: doesn't have any interest in participating, why can't he just

1172
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: leave and enjoy a mohitel or something and then come

1173
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: back when he's ready, as long as they have eighteen

1174
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: holes of golf on that deserted island. Yeah yeah, just

1175
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: throw your phone away. Yeah all right? Uh So, anyway,

1176
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: you know, as of right now, Hey, my my theory

1177
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: is still plausible right thus far, speaking in present tense

1178
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: about is there's there's there's no past tense, there's no

1179
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: future tense. He's still speaking in present tense. So we'll

1180
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: take that as as if he's stole an active player.

1181
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: So much conviction, Paul, My theory is still plausible. That's

1182
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: what you're going with. You got to you gotta really

1183
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: lean into it and pretend, like you know, try to

1184
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: get that grassy knoll going a lot harder. I'm so

1185
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: going to miss this part of the podcast. We can't

1186
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: do it anymore. Well, I mean, and I'm being genuine here, Paul.

1187
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: They might change from week to week, but gol darning,

1188
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: I own it that week. I own that theory that week.

1189
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: I mean, let it be said that I'm fully vested

1190
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: with each and every theory. They might have a shelf life,

1191
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: but I'm in. I'm all in. Well, and even if

1192
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: even if you're retires, you're gonna have the theories of

1193
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: him coming back. So I don't think this is gonna

1194
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: be dead for a long time. I mean, this is

1195
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,439
Speaker 1: like the Michael Jordan will he or won't he? Paul

1196
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: is going to keep that alive for fits. Well, that

1197
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: is plausible. Let's just get on the way right now, Kyle.

1198
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: You're right because there's I'm not putting it past Larry

1199
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: pulling a Dwight Freenier at John Abraham showing up in

1200
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: late late in August, three in mid September. I mean absolutely,

1201
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: he's capable of doing that. Come on now, we know that.

1202
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: All right, there you go, we'll see. Uh. You know,

1203
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: we need answers, just like the guy who tweeted you, Darren.

1204
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: You know, we need answers around here. You know, you know,

1205
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: whether whether it's a few good men or it's or

1206
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: it's just in the mail bag, we need and deserve

1207
01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: answers that happen in threes, Paul. So that's lu. Hopefully

1208
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: it'll be clear, crystal clear by next Thursday night and

1209
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: the start of the draft. That'll do it for Cardinals Underground.

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01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,440
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