WEBVTT - How Sweepstakes Work

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of My

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W Chuck Bryant, Jerry's over there.

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<v Speaker 1>And you may already be a winner because you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to Stuff you Should Know the podcast. I was going

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<v Speaker 1>to say, a version of the same thing. So, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the that's the spoils of doing the intro. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>you may be a winner, yep, chump sweep steaks. Yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>So I was aware of sweepers before that. There's this

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<v Speaker 1>group of people out there, Yeah, the hobbyists, people who

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy sweepstakes, and we'll talk about them later. Um. But

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<v Speaker 1>as I got more and more into like researching sweepstakes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, wow, that's pretty interesting stuff. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more to it than even that. Yeah. I have never

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think, entered any contest. Well, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I fully take that back, because almost every year I

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<v Speaker 1>entered the HDTV Dream Home, do you really Yeah, Well

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<v Speaker 1>that's like one of the big sweepstakes in the United States. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean every year that I sort of remember. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't had cable TV for a few years, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not reminded as much. But that's one of those Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, have you ever entered have you ever seen

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<v Speaker 1>those houses? Yeah, I've ran across them during this research,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, they're very beautiful. Not only that, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>stop with the house. They'll give you like a GMC

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<v Speaker 1>yukon and like, here's half a million dollars in cash. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gotten crazy. Now, you know, here's some Um, here's

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of snakes that are really exotic and expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they do a green home as well. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there are a couple of them and one

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<v Speaker 1>of them, I think the green home one year was

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<v Speaker 1>you know, saren By here outside of Atlanta. I think

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<v Speaker 1>one of them was at saren By. Yeah, there's one

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<v Speaker 1>that they gave away in the last year, so on

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<v Speaker 1>a merite island in Florida where I've been. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>then there was one in I want to say Miami

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<v Speaker 1>or something, and I write about the person who won.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually it was written in the Miami Herald. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember where the house was, but they couldn't afford it.

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<v Speaker 1>They won and they were like, I can't afford the

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<v Speaker 1>taxes on this house. Yeah, that's what the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>growing up everyone's dad basically, well, you know, you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>pay taxes on that stuff, right was I would find

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<v Speaker 1>a way to work that out if I want an HTV, GTV,

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<v Speaker 1>Green Home whatever. But I mean if you all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden were like, I don't have fifteen thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>for taxes, and I mean I think that's the same

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<v Speaker 1>with game shows and stuff. Right. Oh yes, As a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, Chuck, you can read all about that

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<v Speaker 1>in our chapter on the Perfect Prices right Game, which

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<v Speaker 1>is in our stuff you should know colon an incomplete

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<v Speaker 1>compendium of mostly interesting things book. That's right, And I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta tell you of I'm trying to think. I think

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<v Speaker 1>of all the chapters in that book, that might be

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<v Speaker 1>the one that I was the most jealous of. From

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast standpoint, what do you mean, like putting it

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<v Speaker 1>on as a podcast rather than being a book chapter.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, man, I still want to do

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<v Speaker 1>that as a podcast. Maybe, you know, maybe one day

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<v Speaker 1>we can. Yeah, I don't think there's anything stopping us

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<v Speaker 1>from doing that. I think we might want to wait

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<v Speaker 1>a little while. Nope, we're doing it next week. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to undercut the book sales. Well, no, we

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<v Speaker 1>definitely won't want but well, I mean, I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>totally fine to do any and all that one out

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<v Speaker 1>of all of them will be the most difficult because

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<v Speaker 1>it's such a straightforward story, but I'm sure we'll find

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<v Speaker 1>a way to plump it up. I wonder if that

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<v Speaker 1>would incentivize people to buy the book if we did

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<v Speaker 1>an episode from one book chapter and said do you

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<v Speaker 1>want uh, you want more? Yeah, like how many more?

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<v Speaker 1>How many chapters are there? Again? For yeah, you want

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six more stories? If you're reading, get the book pleasures,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you put it all off chord in vaguely

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<v Speaker 1>hostile like this. Yeah, I think that's that's that's the

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<v Speaker 1>old publishing trick hostility, right, or assertiveness when Poe moved

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of books that way? He did so uh

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, you can order a book now, pre order

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere you order books, including indie bound and uh, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>you come with the bit ley If you want to

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<v Speaker 1>support black owned bookstores, you can go to a bit

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<v Speaker 1>dot lee slash s y s k b LM in

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<v Speaker 1>order it from there. Uh so that's our spiel, which

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<v Speaker 1>actually was organic. It's not at all scripted. Don't think that.

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<v Speaker 1>Um if if you did, then you obviously missed the

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<v Speaker 1>clumsiness in all of it. But we're not talking about

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<v Speaker 1>our book today. We're talking about sweep steaks, sweep steaks,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact, sweep steaks chuck. The word itself, sweep

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<v Speaker 1>steaks is hundreds of years old. I think they found

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<v Speaker 1>its origin at least in the thirteenth century. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>is back then, um they were you had steak in

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<v Speaker 1>it like you would buy. It was kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>a lottery. You would get a bunch of people to

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<v Speaker 1>throw in money for a ticket and it probably wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>even a ticket, and some person would win and so

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<v Speaker 1>they would sweep the stakes. But it's not like that. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>competition in the UK, a contest in Canada, sweep stakes

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<v Speaker 1>in America. Those are different because they are always no

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<v Speaker 1>purchase necessary. That's the differentiator, right. The one thing that

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<v Speaker 1>they have in common with those is that the winner

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<v Speaker 1>takes all. That's the point. There's like a grand prize

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<v Speaker 1>where this this one person wins the prize, you sweep

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<v Speaker 1>the stakes, right, Um, But that is totally different from

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<v Speaker 1>a lottery, and a lottery is self sustaining. So much

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<v Speaker 1>so that you fund educational systems with lottery proceeds. That's

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<v Speaker 1>how self sustaining it is. With the sweep stakes, it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's one person putting up the prize, but then somebody

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<v Speaker 1>else comes along and wins it. What does that person

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<v Speaker 1>who puts the prize have to stand to gain from it?

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<v Speaker 1>And that the answer to that question is the heart

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<v Speaker 1>of sweep Steaks, which is basically publicity. That's where they

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<v Speaker 1>came from. Sweep Steaks or like you said, competitions in

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<v Speaker 1>the UK, your contests in Canada. They were born in

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the forties fifties for sure, as a marketing and

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<v Speaker 1>advertising tool that some companies and salesman came up with

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<v Speaker 1>to basically move more stuff at the very least get

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<v Speaker 1>people interested in some item or product that would have

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise just been overlooked in a regular ad. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes it was UM and still can be very blatant

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<v Speaker 1>in that. Uh the there's a like a code on

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<v Speaker 1>a product UM, and you like, well, this has no

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<v Speaker 1>purchase necessary. But sometimes you can actually buy a product

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<v Speaker 1>that has a code that you can then UM enter

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<v Speaker 1>like a UPC symbolship. Then so sometimes you do have

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<v Speaker 1>to buy things. But uh, sometimes it is literally just

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<v Speaker 1>we have and it you have to be a new thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But oftentimes is a new product maybe from an old stable,

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<v Speaker 1>like a new kind of toothpaste from um Pepsident or something,

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<v Speaker 1>or coal Gate, and they're just trying to drum up

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<v Speaker 1>pr and a good way to do it is to

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<v Speaker 1>give away fifty grand and get people just in that

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<v Speaker 1>aisle of the store, right, and so have them say like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I need some toothpaste. I normally get coal Gate, but oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Pepsident has a fifty sweepstakes right now, I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>buy the PEPs in at this not too yeah, how

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<v Speaker 1>can I lose? And they hopefully from that point on

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<v Speaker 1>they'll keep buying PEPs in it. Right, So that's a

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<v Speaker 1>way to drum up sales. Um But you said something

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<v Speaker 1>that was really important. One of the things that differentiates

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<v Speaker 1>the sweepstakes on purpose from say like a lottery is

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<v Speaker 1>that there's no purchase necessary to win. And in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, no purchase necessary is like just common vernacular.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody knows that phrase. That came from what's no inn

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<v Speaker 1>as sweep steakes law, which is to get around rules

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<v Speaker 1>and regulations against lotteries in the United States, Yeah, gambling.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the ways that that they did that was

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<v Speaker 1>to create this other way to enter you didn't like, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>if you bought this tube of toothpaste, you automatically had

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<v Speaker 1>your your entry form right there because it came with

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<v Speaker 1>the package. But if you didn't want to buy the toothpaste,

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<v Speaker 1>but you still wanted to enter the sweepstakes, they had

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<v Speaker 1>to afford a way for you to get an entry

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<v Speaker 1>form and enter without any kind of purchase whatsoever, and

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<v Speaker 1>then that entry had to be as valid or eligible

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<v Speaker 1>to win. Um, have the same chances of winning as

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who did make the purchase. No purchase necessary to win. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing is sweep steaks will do is give

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<v Speaker 1>you and this has changed over the years obviously, but

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<v Speaker 1>give a salesperson a lead. You got to get those

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<v Speaker 1>Glengarry leads or you're or you're on the way out

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<v Speaker 1>the door with uh no job basically. So in the

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<v Speaker 1>old days, it was, um, let's say there was like

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<v Speaker 1>a sweepstakes if you bought a blender. If you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>buy the blender, but you entered the sweepstakes, at least

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<v Speaker 1>there would be your information to blender sales people that

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<v Speaker 1>would be like, well they were looking at blenders, I

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<v Speaker 1>know that much or else they wouldn't have even known

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<v Speaker 1>about this these days. Um. Obviously, like with social media,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a big way that it's done. It's all done virtually,

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<v Speaker 1>so they know that if you just click on something

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<v Speaker 1>to enter a sweepstakes, then all of your information can

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<v Speaker 1>be sent to whatever company that is. And that's why

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna start seeing if you enter some like ari

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<v Speaker 1>I sweepstakes or something. Don't be surprised when in your

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<v Speaker 1>in your social media feed you start seeing nothing but

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<v Speaker 1>ads for outdoor gear, right exactly. But it's it's so

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of updated for the century, but it's the

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<v Speaker 1>same principle. You're saying, I'm interested in blenders, please send

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<v Speaker 1>me all the advertising you can find on blenders. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was how it was before, when you send

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<v Speaker 1>in your info by hand or put it in a

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<v Speaker 1>box in the store. It's the same thing now when

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<v Speaker 1>you enter to win an online sweepstakes and you share

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<v Speaker 1>your contact info like that. It's just now we call

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<v Speaker 1>it data mining and rather than the blender salesman getting

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<v Speaker 1>in touch with you to see if you still want

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<v Speaker 1>to Blender that you didn't win. It's some third party

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<v Speaker 1>marketing company that is getting in touch with you because

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<v Speaker 1>your information was sold to them. Uh, because you entered

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<v Speaker 1>into that Blender sweepstakes. So it's different, it's updated, but

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<v Speaker 1>the points the same. Sweepstakes are there to increase brand awareness,

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<v Speaker 1>to generate buzz or hype around a new product. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a form of advertising, um, and it's a way to

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<v Speaker 1>generate leads for sure. Uh. The thing is they were

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<v Speaker 1>huge in the fifties and the sixties, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons that they took off um was because the

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<v Speaker 1>Reader's Digest. Actually, yeah, read Reader's Digest, the little tiny

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<v Speaker 1>magazine that everyone's grandmother had, uh, and that you would read.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, laughter is the best medicine. And what was

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<v Speaker 1>the other one that was a couple of like very

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<v Speaker 1>kid friendly, regular things. The joke one meth meth meth.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was meth myth meth all exclamation points.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there was another thing. It may have been like

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<v Speaker 1>true stories that were also funny. But I remember reading

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<v Speaker 1>Reader's Digest a lot as a kid, which is hysterical

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<v Speaker 1>because it's so not kid friendly. So the point is

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<v Speaker 1>is they go through and read magazine articles and then

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<v Speaker 1>condense them down to like abbreviated versions. Is just the

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<v Speaker 1>broad strokes, right, I think so, Like I never got

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<v Speaker 1>that back then, but I think it's sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>a a dummies version of the Utney Reader from what

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell. Man, it's so bizarre. Yeah, so they would, um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what a weird concept? Is it still around? Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Reader's ide just is definitely still around. I guess it's

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<v Speaker 1>like the antithesis of long form where they're just like,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't need all that stuff. Here's the main babe.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to get my hands on a reader's digest

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<v Speaker 1>and and see what it's like these days. And a

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<v Speaker 1>shawl nice toily because it gets a little so. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>That was always the joke with growing up in my

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<v Speaker 1>church was whenever the keenagers, which is what they called

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<v Speaker 1>the old folks, it's adorable, um would have an outing

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<v Speaker 1>that the lady this one woman would get up and

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<v Speaker 1>say it, uh, you know'd be like July and she'd

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<v Speaker 1>say and remember to bring us weeater at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of it it didn't matter what time of year, that's adorable,

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<v Speaker 1>got to bring us sweater. Um. So and of course

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<v Speaker 1>that's a just to make fun of. Dude. It's so

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<v Speaker 1>funny you said, because I was about ten fifteen years

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<v Speaker 1>from now, we're really gonna backs against the wall a thing. Yeah, no, No,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not what I was saying. Okay, I was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna get called out for a just offhand remarks,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, and we're going to be cold both because

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be old, bring us sweater. So. Uh, Reader's

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<v Speaker 1>Digest had a a form and they were very upfront

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<v Speaker 1>about their sweepstakes. Um, it was preprinted, it had a

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<v Speaker 1>number there and you could just fill it out and

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<v Speaker 1>mail it back. And Reader's Digest was trying to sell

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<v Speaker 1>subscriptions and um, you know publishers clearing houses obviously the

0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:11.559
<v Speaker 1>elephant in the room. Um, the big daddy of all

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<v Speaker 1>sweep Steaks, which is another weird, weird company when you

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<v Speaker 1>think about it, very especially today. Yeah, I mean magazine

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<v Speaker 1>subscription sales. But that's where the company started out. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a magazine subscription salesman who went door to door

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<v Speaker 1>and said, you know what nuts to going door to door.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna drum up are brochure and mail it

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<v Speaker 1>out to people. And he started getting responses like that

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<v Speaker 1>so much so that he put this company, Publishers clearing

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<v Speaker 1>House together and then when they became like a household,

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<v Speaker 1>word was when they attached sweep steaks to it, like

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<v Speaker 1>Readers Died, just to demonstrate it was so effective. Because

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<v Speaker 1>like with Reader's Digest or Publishers Clearing House or whatever, ultimately,

0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:50.520
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, they're trying to sell

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<v Speaker 1>you something like you said, Reader's, I just was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to sell you a subscription. They're attaching the sweepstakes to

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<v Speaker 1>it because they're they're using that age old lever of Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody check it out. It's a big deal. We're giving

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<v Speaker 1>away a million dollars and also here's everything you need

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<v Speaker 1>to order as many subscriptions as you like from us.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any magazine subscriptions? Yeah, We've got Dwell,

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<v Speaker 1>which is no longer to my taste, like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like current modern design in architecture and decor today right now.

0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:27.600
<v Speaker 1>But we also have one from L Decor. That one

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<v Speaker 1>is very much up my alley. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>color and stuff like that. Um, we have Men's Health

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<v Speaker 1>and g Q, I think, which is not paying off

0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:41.000
<v Speaker 1>our lot because I dressed terribly and I'm overweight at

0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:45.880
<v Speaker 1>the moment, big time. Uh we Emily gets um. She

0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:50.040
<v Speaker 1>gets a few home magazines. I think like, like you guys,

0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.560
<v Speaker 1>we we both share our love of like architecture and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, so we we like looking and fantasizing

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<v Speaker 1>about like these amazing places. That's why I entered the

0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.080
<v Speaker 1>dream home thing. Every year. I know, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like a little mini vacation to go through one of

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<v Speaker 1>those magnor it's also fun to judge and be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you paid a million dollars for that, you chump. Why

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<v Speaker 1>don't you get some taste? But did I say to

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<v Speaker 1>the magazine. What I'll never be though, is the person

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<v Speaker 1>on HDTV House Owners that walks through and goes she's

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about this place, Look at that ceiling fan.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they do that on house Owners? Oh? People, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's all set up anyway. House owners, they already

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<v Speaker 1>have the house when they go on the show. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's a big scam. But uh yeah, there are people

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<v Speaker 1>that say, like, you know this ceiling fan or this

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<v Speaker 1>wall paper, and they're like, that's really easy to change,

0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.560
<v Speaker 1>my friend, And the producers off camera, they're like, can

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<v Speaker 1>you actually like stick your finger down you throw them

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<v Speaker 1>and make yourself vomit. It will really really pay off.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I think we should take a break and

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<v Speaker 1>come back and talk a little bit more about sweepstaks.

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<v Speaker 1>How about that, let's do it. I want to learn

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<v Speaker 1>about a terrosortic college, how to take a perfect movement,

0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:08.720
<v Speaker 1>all about fractalskiscon Hun, the Lizzie Border murders, that all

0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:17.920
<v Speaker 1>runs on the plane, everything we should know. Word up, Jerry, Okay, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've been talking about that h g TV Dream

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<v Speaker 1>Home giveaway, UM, and there's good reason because it is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the big ones, but it's also one of

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<v Speaker 1>the easiest to understand. Um. If you go and read

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<v Speaker 1>up on hd TVs Dream Home UH sweepstakes, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>find there's a very clear reason that they give away

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<v Speaker 1>this huge prize with all of this money and cars

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<v Speaker 1>and all this stuff, because I guess they build the

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<v Speaker 1>home over the course of like a season and then

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<v Speaker 1>they give it away, so part of then it right.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're generating UM viewers for the TV show, which

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<v Speaker 1>is supported by advertising, and the more viewers you have,

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<v Speaker 1>the more you can charge for ads. UM so the

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<v Speaker 1>sweepstakes is just basically being used to generate buzz for

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<v Speaker 1>the TV show now or vice versa, maybe both, but

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<v Speaker 1>the point is there. It's paying off for them, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why they keep giving this stuff away. But I

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<v Speaker 1>have a soft spot in my heart for this one

0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:20.000
<v Speaker 1>because they are one of these uh few giant sweepstakes

0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.000
<v Speaker 1>that just say here's how it's done, ask us whatever

0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:24.840
<v Speaker 1>question do you want? This is all very much on

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<v Speaker 1>the up and up. Yeah, and it's also, um just

0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.280
<v Speaker 1>a big advertising benanza period. So not only are you

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<v Speaker 1>getting that GMC suv, it's like frigid air and like

0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:40.040
<v Speaker 1>I guarantee, every single thing in that house has some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of sponsorship attached to it, like from the siding

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<v Speaker 1>down to the to the dude who poured the concrete.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm sure they all donate that stuff for

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<v Speaker 1>in kind advertising. You know, that's a Tommy Thompson brand

0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:58.320
<v Speaker 1>concrete job. It's double stamped. But yeah, HDTV is very cute,

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<v Speaker 1>like they they have a um I think they actually

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<v Speaker 1>have a regular drawing, not even a computerized drawing, like

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<v Speaker 1>they do it the old fashioned way, right dude, Yes

0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:11.120
<v Speaker 1>they should. But I just had a stroke of genius.

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<v Speaker 1>We should get h G t VS Dream Home sweepstakes

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<v Speaker 1>to sponsor this episode. That would be great, that would

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<v Speaker 1>be full circle. Yeah, and maybe put your thumb on

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<v Speaker 1>the scale for one of us. Yeah right, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so um with the with the dream Home giveaway. The

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<v Speaker 1>way that they hold the sweepstakes um is through what's

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<v Speaker 1>called a random drawing method where if you enter, you

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<v Speaker 1>can enter by mail, I believe, which is the old standard,

0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.360
<v Speaker 1>old fashioned standard way. You can also do it online,

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<v Speaker 1>which is far in a way the much more common

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<v Speaker 1>way to do it now do it. But either way

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to have your entry placed into a bin.

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<v Speaker 1>They have actual physical bins, like I get the impression

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<v Speaker 1>it's of fifty five gallon drum and your entry, your

0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:00.720
<v Speaker 1>physical paper entry goes into that drum. Or fit's online,

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<v Speaker 1>it goes into a virtual bin. And then at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the contest, these bins have maybe like fifty

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<v Speaker 1>thou entries in them each and then they're they're sealed

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<v Speaker 1>off in a new been started and each bin's numbered right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then at the end of the contest they put

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<v Speaker 1>uh the number of ping pong balls is there are

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<v Speaker 1>bins put those in a lotto machine pick one, and

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden you have your bin number, And

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<v Speaker 1>now things are getting for real, are they not? They are?

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<v Speaker 1>And then uh, and I think that's what I like

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<v Speaker 1>about it. Two is the old school nature of it,

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<v Speaker 1>wherein like you're you're getting selected out of a hat essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have just one a house. Well no, no,

0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.680
<v Speaker 1>not yet. Your bin has just been picked. You haven't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily been picked out. You gotta tell them how old

0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:51.520
<v Speaker 1>school and low fi this is. Oh well, yeah, once

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<v Speaker 1>you get to the bin, I mean, don't they just

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<v Speaker 1>like dump it on the floor and literally pick it out. Yeah,

0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:57.440
<v Speaker 1>when they seal a bin, they give it a good

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<v Speaker 1>shake and a roll and all that. So that like

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<v Speaker 1>any so, so the the first entry isn't necessarily any

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<v Speaker 1>better off than the last entry. They're all mixed together

0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.639
<v Speaker 1>pretty well. But then yeah, they dump it onto the

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<v Speaker 1>floor and they take an HDTV employee, blindfold him or

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<v Speaker 1>her them, and push them towards the pile of envelopes,

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully without them falling down, although if they do, it's

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<v Speaker 1>on a pile of envelopes, so it's not too bad.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they just grope and grab one and that's

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<v Speaker 1>your winner. If it's a physical one. If it's virtual one,

0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:31.480
<v Speaker 1>a computer program runs through all the names in that bin,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the the the employee presses the space bar

0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.879
<v Speaker 1>and stops it. Either way, it's a random person picked

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<v Speaker 1>and I love it. You might as well be conducting

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<v Speaker 1>like a Catholic church fair drawing at that point, when

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<v Speaker 1>you have somebody blindfolded grabbing at a pile of envelopes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the level that you're at. Yeah, you know. It

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<v Speaker 1>would make it even better, is if they is if

0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.800
<v Speaker 1>they did that, but instead of choosing the winner, they

0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:03.160
<v Speaker 1>chose like five different names, and then they had those

0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:07.200
<v Speaker 1>people come in and they had David Broms Dad's holding

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<v Speaker 1>up five match sticks with his hand in front of

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<v Speaker 1>the camera, and each person had to draw a match

0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:15.920
<v Speaker 1>stick and the longest stick wins the house. Who's David

0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Bromstad Is he from Stranger Things? No, he's he's HDTV. No,

0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:22.359
<v Speaker 1>that makes more sense than he's the guy that's like

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<v Speaker 1>now covered in tats that didn't used to be covered

0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:29.359
<v Speaker 1>in tats. No idea wa see the trainer who recently

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<v Speaker 1>had a heart attack, but now he's on this blood thinner.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. He's uh. I mean now another

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<v Speaker 1>show he does is the is the Lottery dream Home.

0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Like he he gets lottery winners and tries to sell

0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:45.840
<v Speaker 1>them how or you know, shows them houses. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>heard of depressing show. Actually, yeah, I don't. We've done

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<v Speaker 1>one on lotteries before. But did we touch upon like

0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:59.720
<v Speaker 1>how tragic most lottery winnings are? Uh? Yeah, I think so. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So I can imagine that show has been of a

0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:04.320
<v Speaker 1>downer if you really think about it, it can be. Yeah,

0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:06.680
<v Speaker 1>that's all I'm gonna say. Might have to start watching that.

0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:09.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm in the market for a downer TV show, So

0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:12.720
<v Speaker 1>thanks for that. Well, you would think a lottery dreamhouse

0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:16.320
<v Speaker 1>show would be like nothing but awesome in excitement. But no, no,

0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:20.040
<v Speaker 1>I think sometimes just the way people like to spend

0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.320
<v Speaker 1>their money can be depressing. Yeah, I'm with you, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. Yeah, I don't. I don't want

0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:26.400
<v Speaker 1>to judge if that's there. I don't want to yuck

0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:29.199
<v Speaker 1>their yum their dreamhouse. YU. Sure. Oh I see what

0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:31.800
<v Speaker 1>you're saying. I thought you meant like I just bought

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<v Speaker 1>one of the share of the Dallas Cowboys, so pretty valuable.

0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:41.840
<v Speaker 1>So that random drawing method is pretty um pretty standard.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of, from what I can tell, the gold

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<v Speaker 1>standard of sweep steaks. There's also one that's one of

0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:52.000
<v Speaker 1>the original ones, called the pre selected method, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is the one that was used to great effect for

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<v Speaker 1>many decades, and it's the one that UM Publishers clearing

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<v Speaker 1>House frequently uses to where the winning number is selected

0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:09.040
<v Speaker 1>first secretly and held in in confidence, and then a

0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:11.960
<v Speaker 1>bunch of numbers that have the same number of digits

0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:15.679
<v Speaker 1>as that that winner, including that actual winning string of numbers,

0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:18.919
<v Speaker 1>are put onto mailers for Publishers clearing House and mailed

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<v Speaker 1>out everywhere, Which is why they can say you may

0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:25.199
<v Speaker 1>already be a winner, because you could conceivably be holding

0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:30.560
<v Speaker 1>the winning envelope because the winning numbers already pre selected. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>as a kid in the seventies and eighties, we didn't

0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:36.440
<v Speaker 1>really fully get that. We saw an envelope with Ed

0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:39.119
<v Speaker 1>mcmayl's Ed mcmail ed McMahon. He should have been Ed

0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:43.000
<v Speaker 1>mcmayl with his name and face on it. You may

0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:47.720
<v Speaker 1>already be a winner some fake check written out to you. Uh.

0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Sadly a lot of people thought those were real checks.

0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:54.280
<v Speaker 1>There are stories about that we'll um. So I didn't

0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:57.040
<v Speaker 1>really fully get that, but I guarantee you that the

0:23:57.119 --> 0:24:01.639
<v Speaker 1>people that that participated in these things new that it

0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:06.240
<v Speaker 1>was a pre selected winner and if you are lucky enough,

0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:09.360
<v Speaker 1>you and you gotta pay attention, because what they kind

0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:11.320
<v Speaker 1>of counted on was that most of these omalosts get

0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:15.480
<v Speaker 1>thrown away, most of these prizes go unclaimed. I think

0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:19.520
<v Speaker 1>that ten of the prizes, uh were ever even awarded

0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:22.439
<v Speaker 1>for those early Publishers clearing House sweepstakes. Yeah that was

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<v Speaker 1>not just no, not even Publishers clearing House. I think

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<v Speaker 1>this might have been before then. This was like Colgate,

0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:31.240
<v Speaker 1>Paul malo in U and oil companies and soap companies

0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:34.480
<v Speaker 1>and toothpaste makers were all like using this pre selective

0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:36.280
<v Speaker 1>method and they would get all of the like the

0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:39.359
<v Speaker 1>attention and all of the advertising, but they would have

0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:41.880
<v Speaker 1>to give out none of the money because the chances

0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:44.959
<v Speaker 1>are that nobody that the winner or the person with

0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:47.919
<v Speaker 1>the winning package didn't go to the trouble of actually

0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:50.720
<v Speaker 1>taking it back to the store, and so they would

0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:53.359
<v Speaker 1>get all the advertising without any of the having to

0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:56.000
<v Speaker 1>give up any of the money. And so um, this

0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:59.880
<v Speaker 1>actually got a lot of bad press. Um it led

0:24:59.880 --> 0:25:02.880
<v Speaker 1>to FTC hearings that later led to congressional hearings that

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:06.199
<v Speaker 1>that created some legislation we'll talk about later. But the

0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:09.159
<v Speaker 1>upshot of it is that it caused companies that have

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:13.760
<v Speaker 1>sweepstakes to create what's called the second chance drawing, which is,

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:17.360
<v Speaker 1>let's say, you know, you preprint the all of these

0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 1>entries and send them out. One of them has this

0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:23.439
<v Speaker 1>pre selected winning combination that that dilutes the chances so

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:26.919
<v Speaker 1>tremendously that the chances are the grand prize is not

0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 1>going to go anywhere. But with a second chance drawing,

0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 1>you have a smaller prize, say like the grand prize

0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:35.680
<v Speaker 1>is a ten million dollars, second chance drawing grand prize

0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:38.480
<v Speaker 1>might be one million, and you select the winner from

0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:42.119
<v Speaker 1>the entries that were returned, so it's guaranteed that somebody

0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:44.879
<v Speaker 1>is going to win that second chance drawing. That seems

0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 1>to have appeased the town folk with their pitchforks and torches. Yeah,

0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 1>because a publisher's clearing house grand prize winner is the

0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:58.040
<v Speaker 1>odds are astronomical, um Like the one thousand a dollar

0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:01.240
<v Speaker 1>day for Life is one in six point two billion,

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:05.240
<v Speaker 1>um Like powerball is a is a great deal. When

0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:08.440
<v Speaker 1>you compare it against something like that, and and pc

0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:11.879
<v Speaker 1>H is pretty um, pretty tight liped. It's hard to

0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:15.040
<v Speaker 1>get a ton of information about exactly how it works

0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:18.199
<v Speaker 1>and and why it would be six point two billion,

0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:21.560
<v Speaker 1>because it's not like there's that many people entering. There's

0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:25.479
<v Speaker 1>there's no way that's happening. No, And I genuinely I

0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:29.160
<v Speaker 1>looked so high and low and and the weirdest little

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:32.320
<v Speaker 1>crevasses of the Internet trying to get an answer to this,

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 1>and I could not find it. The only thing that

0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:38.000
<v Speaker 1>I can imagine is that it has to do with

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:41.760
<v Speaker 1>the number of entries put out there. But they're certainly

0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 1>not printing out and sending six point to billion mailers.

0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:48.440
<v Speaker 1>They're just is it the sweepers like doing this thousands

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:52.440
<v Speaker 1>and thousands of time? Which it's possible. That's it's possible,

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:54.480
<v Speaker 1>because I did. I did see people say like, the

0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:56.960
<v Speaker 1>chances are so high because they get so many entries.

0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:00.720
<v Speaker 1>But what you're talking about is that would be almost

0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:03.680
<v Speaker 1>every single person on Earth entering, which isn't the chance,

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:06.520
<v Speaker 1>which isn't happening, or every single person in the United

0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:10.720
<v Speaker 1>States um entering seventeen times. I guess if you have

0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:14.280
<v Speaker 1>some sweepers, hardcore sweepers, and enough of them it could

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:18.439
<v Speaker 1>drive the chances up that high. But it just seems

0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:20.679
<v Speaker 1>like there must be some other something to do with,

0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:24.240
<v Speaker 1>like the randomly generated number, something that has to do

0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:26.600
<v Speaker 1>with driving up the sticks, because, like you said, power

0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:30.399
<v Speaker 1>ball seems like easy. Straight power balls chances are one

0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:35.000
<v Speaker 1>in two nine million. This Publisher's clearinghouses one in six

0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:38.760
<v Speaker 1>point two billion. And the reason for this huge discrepancy

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:42.439
<v Speaker 1>is because they're structured differently. When you play Powerball, you

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:44.679
<v Speaker 1>have to pick five numbers from a pool of sixty

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>nine numbers, and then one powerball from a pool of

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:52.399
<v Speaker 1>twenty six numbers. And when you calculate the um factorials together,

0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 1>which is our words that I put together, I think

0:27:56.880 --> 0:28:00.200
<v Speaker 1>I combine them accurately, but I have no do what

0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:04.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about this point you have a one Any

0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 1>any combination you choose has a one in two million

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:13.760
<v Speaker 1>chances of being right because there's two d million possible combinations.

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 1>It's very black and white. Yeah, totally understandable. Even if

0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 1>you don't know what factorials are, how they work, you

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:22.120
<v Speaker 1>can get that. But again with Publisher's clear House, it's

0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:25.560
<v Speaker 1>like point A minute. How how is this possible at all?

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 1>One in six point two billion, I cannot find out how. Yeah, well,

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 1>one thing is for sure if you do win, And

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:33.080
<v Speaker 1>this was kind of uh, it kind of made me

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:35.920
<v Speaker 1>feel a little bit better. If you do win, Uh,

0:28:35.960 --> 0:28:38.400
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna find you. And I thought this is sort

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 1>of the opposite of how it would be. I thought

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 1>they would be like, no, you gotta come to us,

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:43.880
<v Speaker 1>and we're really not going to make much of an effort.

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 1>But they do. They find you. They will use the

0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Private detective to find you and track you down concrete

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 1>pouring in Private Detective Agency. There's a p and executive

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 1>who testified during those FTC trials in the late sixties.

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 1>It says they every resource to find anything any winner

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 1>over five hundred dollars and um. Usually the winner comes forward.

0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 1>But I guess it's good to know that they do

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:14.720
<v Speaker 1>make an exceptional effort. Um. And you can't you can't

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:17.800
<v Speaker 1>have grown up in the seventies and eighties without knowing

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 1>about Ed McMahon and Dick Clark and the Publisher's clearing

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 1>House Prize patrol coming to people's houses with balloons and

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 1>confetti and champagne and a giant check and knocking on

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 1>your door with a camera crew like that was as

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 1>much as of America as like a baseball and apple

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 1>pie basically for sure. And like you know, people talk

0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 1>about the Mandela effect and the Baron Stain Bears effects

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 1>and all that. Um, a lot of people associated Dick

0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Clark especially but also um, I mean McMahon especially, but

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 1>also Dick Clark too with Publishers clearing House. They never

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 1>once pitched or worked for publishers in that body to

0:29:58.160 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>this day people even by back then, I saw a

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:03.600
<v Speaker 1>contemporary article that was, like, you know, confuse them with

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Publishers clearing House. They worked for American Family Publishers, which

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 1>was a knockoff also ran for Publishers clearing House. Um,

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:15.640
<v Speaker 1>they never once pitched for Publishers clearing House. Publishers clearing

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:17.880
<v Speaker 1>House has always had that prize patrol that shows up

0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 1>at your house, um, and that's always been Publishers clearing

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:24.760
<v Speaker 1>House employees. And they apparently are legit, Like if you win,

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 1>they don't get in touch with you ahead of time,

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 1>they just show up at your house. Or if you're

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:32.880
<v Speaker 1>not home, you're on vacation, they'll show up where you're vacationing.

0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:36.040
<v Speaker 1>They'll show up at work wherever you are. They're going

0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:39.680
<v Speaker 1>to show up with these camera crews and UM give

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 1>you this grand prize. So that apparently is is legitimate. Yeah,

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 1>And if you want to be a um party buzz

0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 1>kill pet ant along the order of uh, it's actually

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:53.680
<v Speaker 1>the um Low on the Totem Pole as the prize

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:57.240
<v Speaker 1>place to be, then just start floating that American Family

0:30:57.240 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Publishers fact to people that you meet. Is that right?

0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Because I love that? Oh man, I need to I'm

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:05.960
<v Speaker 1>not going to be able to help myself. I think

0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 1>if I was at a random party, if this had

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:09.920
<v Speaker 1>never happened, and I was at a random party and

0:31:09.920 --> 0:31:12.600
<v Speaker 1>said something about I told a great story about Ed

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 1>mcman and Dick Clark and Publishers clearing House, and someone said, well,

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 1>actually they worked for American Family Publishers. I don't think

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 1>there's any way to frame that in a way that

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:25.240
<v Speaker 1>makes that person look good or fun. It's all in

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:28.720
<v Speaker 1>the delivery. You laugh along and be like that's crazy.

0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 1>But even get this, it's even crazier. Have never even

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:35.040
<v Speaker 1>worked for Publishers clearing House And everybody triple laughs on

0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 1>top of the laughing they're already doing. It just goes

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:41.840
<v Speaker 1>dead and you're left going. But I but I've framed

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.760
<v Speaker 1>it correctly, said it's been an engaging way. I said, well,

0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 1>actually with my finger up. Uh. And then I would say, yeah,

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 1>but what about that Bloopers and Practical Joke show. Then

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 1>everyone will be laughing again and you just slink off

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 1>in the corner. I would, And you know that's that's

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 1>my typical party behavior anyway. Do you remember that show though?

0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, totally. Like it was called Bloopers and Practice.

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.280
<v Speaker 1>I believe it's all it was. It was. It was

0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:13.080
<v Speaker 1>like the title was the description that was great. Remember

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 1>they had the aragon Is cartoon guy who come and

0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:21.280
<v Speaker 1>sweep the stage totally. Um, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's

0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 1>what it was. Fantasy Island. Do you know they re

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:26.960
<v Speaker 1>rebooted Fantasy Island. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't watch. It

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to be super dark. Well the first one was. No,

0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 1>wasn't the original fantay sild was super dark. I need

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:36.360
<v Speaker 1>to go back and watch that because I don't recall

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 1>that at all. Yeah, like almost all the fantasies were

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 1>ended up being scary and taught the person a lesson

0:32:43.600 --> 0:32:46.480
<v Speaker 1>they should really like fantasize about. Well I was like

0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 1>four at the time, and and pick up on that

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 1>it is, by the way, it is TV's bloopers and

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 1>practical bloopers and practical jokes. Yeah, uh all right, let's

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:57.080
<v Speaker 1>take a break and we'll talk about the very very

0:32:57.120 --> 0:32:59.840
<v Speaker 1>few sweep steaks that are in existence today. Right after this,

0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:11.520
<v Speaker 1>I want to learn about as art college how to

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:13.840
<v Speaker 1>take the perfect. But with all about fractal getting kiscon

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:15.960
<v Speaker 1>that's a little hun the Lizzie Border murders that they

0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of all runs on the plane. Everything that's we

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:25.760
<v Speaker 1>should know. No word up Jerry. By the way, Chuck,

0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 1>TV's Bloopers and Practical Jokes has a five point three

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:33.080
<v Speaker 1>on IMDb, which is wrong. Really, Yeah, that was a

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 1>great show man, And I bet you that dumb Saggat

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:41.680
<v Speaker 1>show has got like a nine out of ten. Well

0:33:41.720 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 1>these days it's Alfonso Riberro is it. Yeah, I've never

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 1>been a fan of this. They're okay, ridiculousness. Uh no,

0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 1>I never saw that. That's all it is. But it's

0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:58.080
<v Speaker 1>much more like painful to watch, like skateboarders getting racked

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 1>and just really dumb stuff. But it's it's mesmerizing, and

0:34:02.360 --> 0:34:06.479
<v Speaker 1>somehow they have an infinite limitless supply of episodes of

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 1>it because it is on twenty four hours a day

0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:12.319
<v Speaker 1>on MTV. Is there really? Yeah? I think I told

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 1>this story before, but I like to put it out

0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:16.920
<v Speaker 1>every five or six years in case the person listening

0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:19.840
<v Speaker 1>is this person. Uh is when I was at u

0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:22.080
<v Speaker 1>g A one day and a guy I saw a

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 1>guy completely busted on a bicycle on the sidewalk and

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.920
<v Speaker 1>his books went splayed out everywhere, and the very first

0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:33.520
<v Speaker 1>thing he did was put his and he was laying

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:35.759
<v Speaker 1>down on the sidewalk, was put his hand under his

0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:38.240
<v Speaker 1>chin and act like he was reading a book. Oh

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:41.920
<v Speaker 1>my god, it's amazing. And like, if you're out there, dude,

0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 1>please please send us an email stuff podcast at I

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.040
<v Speaker 1>heart media dot com because that was one of the

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 1>best reactions I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, that's

0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:53.719
<v Speaker 1>that's a sharp, sharp dude. It was pretty great. So

0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:56.960
<v Speaker 1>before we broke, I uh was being coy about the

0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:00.279
<v Speaker 1>very very few sweepstakes that we still have today, because

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:03.919
<v Speaker 1>surely these went out of style in the seventies and eighties. Uh,

0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:07.320
<v Speaker 1>not true. There are about four hundred million the annual

0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 1>sweep steaks in this day and age, and that nuts

0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 1>that is And I'm sure that counts every dumb iPhone

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:19.839
<v Speaker 1>app sweepstakes to win ten cents, but that's still four million. Yeah,

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 1>that's still a sweepstakes that you can go play, whereas before,

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:25.840
<v Speaker 1>I think at its first heyday UM in the sixties

0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the mid sixties, the FTC calculated there was something like

0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:33.279
<v Speaker 1>six hundred national sweep steaks and yeah, four millions, a

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:35.959
<v Speaker 1>lot more than six hundred. What's crazy is is those

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:39.319
<v Speaker 1>FTC um hearings actually tried to put a clamp down

0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 1>on everything and it didn't work and they ended up

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 1>expanding and exploding even beyond that. But one of the

0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:49.879
<v Speaker 1>things that has kind of um driven that, I don't

0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:51.560
<v Speaker 1>know if it's it's got to be a chicken or

0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:53.879
<v Speaker 1>the egg kind of thing, like has it been these

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:56.719
<v Speaker 1>people who are called sweepers or in the UK they're

0:35:56.719 --> 0:36:00.560
<v Speaker 1>called compers, who their hobby is engaging and sweeps. Did

0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 1>they lead to this proliferation of it or did they?

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Are they encouraged by the easy access to sweepstakes like

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:09.960
<v Speaker 1>never before? What do you think? I don't know because

0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know sweepers existed. I didn't know that there

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 1>were people that would spend um, you know, sometimes a

0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:22.080
<v Speaker 1>couple of hours a day, randomly or not randomly, very

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:28.160
<v Speaker 1>pinpointedly looking for and registering for all kinds of sweepsteaks,

0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:34.239
<v Speaker 1>using spreadsheets, using their auto fill on their computers, just

0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:38.000
<v Speaker 1>to enter to win, over and over and over again. Yeah,

0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:41.160
<v Speaker 1>but they're out there, and it's a subculture that I

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:43.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised there's not There may be a documentary about them,

0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:46.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I haven't run across any any mention

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 1>of one. There's a really good Zachary Crockett article Zachary Crockett,

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:52.560
<v Speaker 1>amazing writer who I don't know if he still writes

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 1>for prison Onomics or not, but just amazing. He of

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:58.279
<v Speaker 1>course did one on this subculture. But he said that

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:02.319
<v Speaker 1>like a good, you know, normal sweeper, somebody who's like

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:06.760
<v Speaker 1>a genuine hobbyist is doing this for hours and hours

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 1>a day and entering up to hundreds of sweepstakes every day. Hundreds, Yeah,

0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:17.759
<v Speaker 1>hundreds award like Christmas story, that's what they call them

0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:20.239
<v Speaker 1>in in the I should say. So. There was a

0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Slate article from two thousand three, and it had a

0:37:25.040 --> 0:37:31.360
<v Speaker 1>lot of just blatantly factual errors, um or blatant factual

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:34.920
<v Speaker 1>errors and was really arrogant and like dismissive towards this

0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:37.720
<v Speaker 1>this group. So it's possible they don't call them major awards,

0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 1>but that's where I got that from. But the the

0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 1>lingo was m A that they're after the m A

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 1>big cash payouts, cars, boats, major awards that are not

0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:52.360
<v Speaker 1>necessarily fred gila. Yeah, and it's um, it's still the

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 1>same sort of uh, like we said with with social media,

0:37:57.640 --> 0:37:59.440
<v Speaker 1>it's a little bit different how it goes, but it's

0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:01.439
<v Speaker 1>still the same kind of aim, which is to build

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 1>brand recognition. Um. You see major brands doing these sort

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:08.760
<v Speaker 1>of fun games, like a Jeep hit those tiki torches.

0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 1>This is sort of like a scavenger hunt. You had

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 1>to go around and find these torches. There were clues

0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 1>on Facebook. You went a wrangler if you found all

0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:19.800
<v Speaker 1>the torches. And that's good for Facebook, it's good for Jeep,

0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:23.520
<v Speaker 1>it's probably good for tiki torches. But every you know,

0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:27.000
<v Speaker 1>every department store on the planet has some sort of

0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:30.279
<v Speaker 1>even very minor like here's a fifty dollar gift card

0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:32.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing if you retweet this or whatever, Like

0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:35.160
<v Speaker 1>those are just all over the place. Now all over

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:40.360
<v Speaker 1>there's a site called, um sweep Steaks. What is it

0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:45.560
<v Speaker 1>called sweet uh sweep Steaks Hub? I think so. I mean,

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:47.279
<v Speaker 1>if that's not what it's called, it might as well

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 1>be called that. I can't find it right now. Well,

0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 1>we'll see if we can call it out later. But

0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:54.439
<v Speaker 1>I went to it today, and I mean, dude, there's

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 1>a sweepstakes for everything. There's a new podcast out and

0:38:57.640 --> 0:39:02.239
<v Speaker 1>they're giving away like Amazon all xa um just to

0:39:02.400 --> 0:39:06.000
<v Speaker 1>just to generate interest and awareness of their podcast. It's

0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:09.520
<v Speaker 1>like everything has some sort of sweep steaks. Like if

0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:11.880
<v Speaker 1>you got a new book, give away five books? We

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:14.480
<v Speaker 1>should do this. You give away five books and then

0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:16.839
<v Speaker 1>hopefully everybody's like, well, I didn't win, but that book

0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:19.479
<v Speaker 1>sounds pretty great. I'm going to go ahead and buy

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:21.040
<v Speaker 1>that book. Or at the very least, now I'm on

0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:23.480
<v Speaker 1>a mailing list for this publisher because I've just shown

0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:25.759
<v Speaker 1>them that I like books enough to enter into the

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.239
<v Speaker 1>sweep steaks. Is that podcast? Let me ask you this.

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Can you listen to it on iTunes, I Heart media

0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:35.640
<v Speaker 1>app or wherever you find your podcasts? Probably interesting? They're

0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:38.400
<v Speaker 1>doing something right, Yeah, they are. I'm gonna find the

0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:41.400
<v Speaker 1>name of that podcast because we can't. We can't mentioned

0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:44.839
<v Speaker 1>a podcast like that and just just never give the name.

0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:47.719
<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna do a little researching while you tap

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:52.160
<v Speaker 1>dance for us. Okay, okay, one and a two. So

0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:56.720
<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, at least four million sweep steaks today. Um. Now,

0:39:56.880 --> 0:39:59.439
<v Speaker 1>the like you said, the FTC got involved. They held

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:03.239
<v Speaker 1>hearings and everything is on the up and up. Now, Um,

0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 1>you have to and and I'm sure this is all

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:08.279
<v Speaker 1>very much spelled out as far as like you have

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:12.160
<v Speaker 1>to clearly explain the rules and clearly explain your chances

0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 1>of winning. Um. And I'm sure that's very much mandated

0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:17.800
<v Speaker 1>on what clearly means. They're not just like yeah, whatever

0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 1>you think is clear as fine with us. Yeah, Congress

0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:25.279
<v Speaker 1>actually got involved in passed an act. Yeah and what night,

0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:30.399
<v Speaker 1>Well when was that? Okay? Yeah, I mean that's that's

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 1>what Congress does sometimes, right, But that's I mean the

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:37.120
<v Speaker 1>reason why is because there were there are a few

0:40:37.160 --> 0:40:41.359
<v Speaker 1>cases that sort of troubled people, to say the least. Yeah,

0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:45.040
<v Speaker 1>the they passed the Deceptive Mail Prevention and Enforcement Act,

0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 1>also known as the Sweepstakes Act, and there was one

0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 1>case in particular that really pushed everything over the edge. Yeah,

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:56.920
<v Speaker 1>this elderly man in his eighties, Um, he lived in California,

0:40:57.080 --> 0:41:00.440
<v Speaker 1>and uh, with his own money, he flew not once

0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:05.919
<v Speaker 1>but twice to Tampa to the American Family Publisher's headquarters

0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:09.279
<v Speaker 1>to claim his prize money because if he got he

0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:11.600
<v Speaker 1>gotten a mailer that said that he was already a winner.

0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Apparently the actual label said final results are in and

0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:19.960
<v Speaker 1>they're official. You're our newest eleven million dollar winner. And

0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:21.839
<v Speaker 1>then if you read the fine print, it was like

0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:24.800
<v Speaker 1>if you have the winning number. This man flew twice

0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 1>to calif to Tampa to collect on two different prizes

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:32.040
<v Speaker 1>because of mailer's twice and they finally said enough enough.

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I can just picture him on the plane and like

0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:38.120
<v Speaker 1>telling his seat mate like what's going on, and then

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:42.280
<v Speaker 1>not knowing what to do quite frankly, well, yeah, imagine

0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:45.279
<v Speaker 1>being the seat mate's like sea checks take this letter out, yeah,

0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 1>and you're just like, oh no, this is not gonna

0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:49.359
<v Speaker 1>go well for this, Like what do you do there?

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Do you? I would, honestly, I wouldn't know what to

0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:55.680
<v Speaker 1>do because that that hits me right where it hurts,

0:41:55.719 --> 0:42:00.000
<v Speaker 1>which is uh to be kind and empathetic, but also

0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:02.800
<v Speaker 1>to not let someone go through something like terrible r

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 1>So I wouldn't. I would that that presents a real

0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:07.719
<v Speaker 1>ethical quandary for me. Well, I think I think at

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 1>that point you kind of say, Um, I'm gonna be late.

0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:13.400
<v Speaker 1>I have to go to American Family Publishers headquarters before

0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:17.400
<v Speaker 1>I come to the meeting because this guy, yeah, that

0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:20.400
<v Speaker 1>and coronavirus. Right. No, really, I just don't want to

0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:22.799
<v Speaker 1>take the chance of being next to someone going to

0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:26.239
<v Speaker 1>pick up their grand prize that doesn't exist. So so

0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:30.759
<v Speaker 1>they part of that UM, that Congressional Act is that,

0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:33.360
<v Speaker 1>like you really need to be a lot more clear

0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:36.120
<v Speaker 1>about the odds of winning. UM. You have to say

0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:40.360
<v Speaker 1>things like no purchase necessary or another phrases buying won't

0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:43.319
<v Speaker 1>help you win. UM. But the whole thing, from what

0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:45.800
<v Speaker 1>I understand, the whole thing. And by the way, American

0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:50.240
<v Speaker 1>Family Publishers is now defunct. They went under UM. Unfortunately,

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:53.440
<v Speaker 1>fortunately for Publishers clearing House, they got all sorts of

0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 1>free press because people used to just think American Family

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:59.319
<v Speaker 1>Publishers was Publishers clearing House. But they also got all

0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:02.360
<v Speaker 1>the bad press too, because people would think that anything

0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:06.280
<v Speaker 1>American family Publishers did. It was actually Publishers clearing House.

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:08.759
<v Speaker 1>So it was really weird. I think it is where

0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:12.440
<v Speaker 1>like two alternate universes kind of came together right there. Now,

0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:14.960
<v Speaker 1>which one was it? That? Uh, there was one case

0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:19.840
<v Speaker 1>where they were uh they had the entree entry entry envelopes,

0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:25.239
<v Speaker 1>the entree envelopes packaged in such a way that, uh,

0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:27.480
<v Speaker 1>you could tell the envelopes where people actually did buy

0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:30.040
<v Speaker 1>a subscription and where they didn't, even though they were

0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:32.920
<v Speaker 1>both supposed to be entered, which very easily allowed them

0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:34.800
<v Speaker 1>to just throw away the ones where they didn't actually

0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:37.719
<v Speaker 1>buy something. Was that pH or the other that was

0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Publishers clearing House And they were found their blood on

0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:43.799
<v Speaker 1>their hands to them throwing away hundreds of entries that

0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 1>had no no check because again, remember what they're trying

0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:48.719
<v Speaker 1>to do is get you to subscribe to a bunch

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:51.600
<v Speaker 1>of magazines or now they sell vitamins or housewears or

0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:54.840
<v Speaker 1>something like that. Um, and if you hadn't sent a

0:43:54.960 --> 0:43:58.239
<v Speaker 1>check in, apparently some big chunk of entries got just

0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:00.919
<v Speaker 1>thrown away. Well, and they you know you talked about

0:44:00.960 --> 0:44:03.920
<v Speaker 1>sweepstakes law, there was they did have to settle a

0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:09.600
<v Speaker 1>lot of lawsuits over the years, uh, civil lawsuits from contestants, so, uh,

0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:11.440
<v Speaker 1>you know there were people that were wise to it,

0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:13.839
<v Speaker 1>and there were attorneys out there very willing to take

0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:16.600
<v Speaker 1>those cases. I'm sure. Yeah, And I think over time

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 1>part of it was because of that pre selected thing

0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:22.480
<v Speaker 1>where UM people were like, what do you mean nobody

0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:24.719
<v Speaker 1>won the grand prize? People really paying attention to that

0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:27.759
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff, and they would get sued and I

0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:31.239
<v Speaker 1>saw that they they paid tens of millions of dollars

0:44:31.840 --> 0:44:34.920
<v Speaker 1>to UM to settle some of these and fight some

0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:37.839
<v Speaker 1>of them too. So but they're still in business, which

0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 1>means that they're still making so much money that they

0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:44.640
<v Speaker 1>it's it's worth UM holding these sweepstakes not just to

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:49.080
<v Speaker 1>give the prizes away, but also to UM to uh

0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:54.120
<v Speaker 1>to fight off litigation as well. Yeah. And one way

0:44:54.160 --> 0:44:57.480
<v Speaker 1>that you can really kind of fight off litigation UM

0:44:57.600 --> 0:45:01.719
<v Speaker 1>is by hiring what's called sweepstakes administra reader. Yeah, Like

0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:06.440
<v Speaker 1>there are companies that will fully UM execute the contest

0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:09.560
<v Speaker 1>from beginning to end. You hire that. It's like hiring

0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:12.799
<v Speaker 1>a caterer. You don't have to worry about the the

0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:15.359
<v Speaker 1>little stuff mushrooms like they're gonna do it all they're

0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:17.359
<v Speaker 1>gonna come in administer it in a way that's above

0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:20.000
<v Speaker 1>board and legal. You don't have to worry about the hassle.

0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:24.000
<v Speaker 1>You just gotta pay them their big and uh and

0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:26.400
<v Speaker 1>you're all set right. It's hard to believe that there

0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:28.040
<v Speaker 1>are companies out there that do this, but there are

0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:31.400
<v Speaker 1>so as as much as like they're like pc seems

0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:35.799
<v Speaker 1>a little hustling. It is a legitimate sweepstakes company. It's

0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:38.759
<v Speaker 1>not a scam. But there are plenty of scams out there,

0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:41.800
<v Speaker 1>and in fact, pc H has to warn the public

0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:44.640
<v Speaker 1>how to look out for scams. One of the biggest

0:45:44.680 --> 0:45:49.880
<v Speaker 1>ways is that if you are contacted via email, phone, Facebook,

0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:53.640
<v Speaker 1>something like that, um saying that you won a big prize,

0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:57.439
<v Speaker 1>they're going that like that's automatically wrong because they send

0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:00.439
<v Speaker 1>their prize patrol out for their biggest prizes and that's

0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:03.040
<v Speaker 1>really legitimately. How you would find out is they show

0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:05.600
<v Speaker 1>up at your house. Yeah, and you know these are

0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:09.759
<v Speaker 1>all uh, they seem like no brainers to people like us,

0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:11.759
<v Speaker 1>but to a lot of people they fall for this

0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:14.920
<v Speaker 1>stuff and it's really sad. Um. You know, if you

0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:17.759
<v Speaker 1>if you get anything that says you've won something, all

0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:21.240
<v Speaker 1>you gotta do is prepay this tax any anything, asking

0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:25.120
<v Speaker 1>for credit card information, any kind of payment whatsoever. Is

0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:30.560
<v Speaker 1>one a scam every time, UM any time. A lot

0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:34.880
<v Speaker 1>of times it's front. It's a front for like UM mallware. UM.

0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:37.880
<v Speaker 1>They might ask you, like I said, for your social

0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Security number, your credit cards. Just don't don't fall for

0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:45.719
<v Speaker 1>that stuff. Don't give anyone information like that. No, and

0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:48.120
<v Speaker 1>you will need to give them your social Security number

0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:50.640
<v Speaker 1>eventually if you win any prize over six dollars for

0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:53.680
<v Speaker 1>tax reporting, because remember taxes are a thing. But they're

0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:56.319
<v Speaker 1>not going to get you up over Facebook messenger and

0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:58.160
<v Speaker 1>tell you you want a prize, So give me your

0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:01.160
<v Speaker 1>social Security number right now. The thing is is a

0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:03.319
<v Speaker 1>lot of people who play this are elderly, and they

0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:05.360
<v Speaker 1>are preyed upon, and there are a lot of scams

0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:08.280
<v Speaker 1>out there. UM. I saw some figure in the tens

0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:12.239
<v Speaker 1>of billions of dollars that is lost to scam sweepstakes

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:15.279
<v Speaker 1>every year in the United States. That's insane. It's an

0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:17.680
<v Speaker 1>insane amount of money that's being lost. And let's just

0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:22.600
<v Speaker 1>say it is super sad. So the name of the

0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:27.279
<v Speaker 1>UM podcast is called UH The Authority with Brian s

0:47:27.400 --> 0:47:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Arnold um. And what's sad is they're in week eight

0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:36.719
<v Speaker 1>of their eight week giveaway sweepstakes giveaway, and so this

0:47:36.760 --> 0:47:39.080
<v Speaker 1>will come out long after the eight weeks is up,

0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:42.080
<v Speaker 1>so sorry about that. But there was a sweepstakes that

0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:45.680
<v Speaker 1>the The Authority Project with brianess Arnold held to win

0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:49.279
<v Speaker 1>a speaker. And you know what's interesting, this is not

0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:52.200
<v Speaker 1>off off topic, but over the years a couple of

0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:54.799
<v Speaker 1>times we've had a couple of dumb ideas like, hey,

0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:56.680
<v Speaker 1>why don't we give away a thing to listeners for,

0:47:56.800 --> 0:48:00.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, just doing something, And every single time, like

0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:04.839
<v Speaker 1>the legal department of whatever parent company we had, was like, no, no, no, no, no,

0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:06.480
<v Speaker 1>we're not going to get involved in this kind of

0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:08.920
<v Speaker 1>thing because then it's a contest where like, well it's

0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:11.040
<v Speaker 1>not really contest, it's just very low fly and they're like,

0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:13.400
<v Speaker 1>you can't do that. You have no idea the kind

0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:15.279
<v Speaker 1>of worms you're opening up. Yeah, because there's a whole

0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:18.400
<v Speaker 1>branch of law called sweepstakes law, and it it involves

0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:21.120
<v Speaker 1>following the letter of the law and also helping people

0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:23.759
<v Speaker 1>sue people who are suspected of not following the letter

0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:26.200
<v Speaker 1>of the law. Yeah, so as attorneys, they just kind

0:48:26.200 --> 0:48:29.920
<v Speaker 1>of always squashed it. Um, So I just want to

0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:31.879
<v Speaker 1>give a big shout out. We never said I don't

0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.840
<v Speaker 1>think why people do this real quick chuck um. And

0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:39.800
<v Speaker 1>there's a woman named Sandra Grauschoff and she is probably

0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:42.600
<v Speaker 1>the world's leading expert on sweepstakes at the very least

0:48:42.600 --> 0:48:46.120
<v Speaker 1>America's leading experts on on sweep steaks. She runs, um

0:48:46.160 --> 0:48:51.200
<v Speaker 1>the balance is sweepstakes pages and just legitimately knows what

0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:53.759
<v Speaker 1>she's talking about. And she just said it's excitement. It's

0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:56.120
<v Speaker 1>as simple as that. That like the idea of getting

0:48:56.120 --> 0:48:59.680
<v Speaker 1>a checker, Um, getting a prize affidavit in the mail

0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:03.279
<v Speaker 1>is very exciting. Um. Other people have called it a

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<v Speaker 1>high and Grauschof says, um, Yeah. It turns out, though,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're if you're thinking about sweep stakes every day

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<v Speaker 1>you may want to get evaluated for a gambling addiction

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<v Speaker 1>because it can kind of easily traps into that. I'm sure. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>who knew gambling addiction would make an appearance. So if

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<v Speaker 1>it's time for a listener mail I'm gonna call this

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<v Speaker 1>how he helps somebody out recently. Hey, guys, want to

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<v Speaker 1>I'm from Glasgow, Scotland. Yesterday, while at work, I received

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<v Speaker 1>On my drive home, with your podcast playing through my car,

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<v Speaker 1>James M. In Scotland. Sorry to hear about your grandma, James,

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<v Speaker 1>and I glad we could help. Our condolence is James.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it is very nice to hear um. You

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