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Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, this is where I'm supposed to be.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Off the Cup, my personal anti anxiety antidote.

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Speaker 3: If you're a regular listener, you know I'm a Broadway fan.

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Speaker 3: We had Christopher Jackson on where we geeked out about

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Speaker 3: Hamilton and the Heights and Lion King, and we had

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Speaker 3: Ricky Lake on. We talked about our favorite shows and Hairspray.

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Speaker 3: We had Zachary Quinto on, talked about the boys in

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Speaker 3: the band. We had Paul Stanley on to talk about

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Speaker 3: his tours and Phantom, Josh Gadd. We talked about a

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Speaker 3: book of Mormon spelling, Bee Gutenberg, Stephen Webber, we talked

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Speaker 3: about the producers. That was all season one of Off

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Speaker 3: the Cup, and we may or may not have some

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Speaker 3: others coming up on season two.

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Speaker 4: Can I tell you what I love about Broadway? Here's

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Speaker 4: what I love.

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Speaker 3: I know every time I go see a show, even

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Speaker 3: if it's not like my favorite genre, even if I

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Speaker 3: don't know anyone in it, I know I'm going to

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Speaker 3: see the best of the best people doing the best production.

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Speaker 4: It's practically guaranteed.

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Speaker 3: These are the best people on the planet doing what

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Speaker 3: they do, and I really believe that. And it's the

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Speaker 3: same of the West End. I've seen lots of shows

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Speaker 3: there too. I just know I'm in for something magical.

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Speaker 3: And I've said this before, I get so emotional for musicals.

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Speaker 3: I'm crying at the overture. Okay, I send the seat.

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Speaker 3: The conductor goes like you know, raises, I'm crying. I'm

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Speaker 3: crying immediately because they're so soul nourishing, so inspiring and

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Speaker 3: fun and moving, and we need theater and musicals and art,

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Speaker 3: especially when the world feels like it's on fire, that's

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Speaker 3: just when we need more of it. So I'm so

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Speaker 3: excited for today's guest. She's an award winning performer on

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Speaker 3: both Broadway the West End. You know her as Sally

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Speaker 3: Bowles in Cabaret, Miss Adelaide and Guys and Dolls, F

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Speaker 4: She's a celebrity Big Brother UK fan favorite. She's British

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Speaker 4: Theater Royalty, but she was ours first. Welcome to off

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Speaker 4: the Cover, Risha Wallace.

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Speaker 2: Hello, it's so good to be here. What an intro.

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Speaker 4: Hello, I really am a theater nerd. I love it.

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Speaker 3: I'm so enamored of what you guys do, and I

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Speaker 3: love your story so much. We're going to get into

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Speaker 3: all of that, but first, can you and I just

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Speaker 3: talk about Broadway?

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Speaker 1: Broadway? You know Broadway. I remember when I first wanted

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Speaker 1: to perform. You know how you have like your little

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Speaker 1: username for like AOL and all. Yes, I was called

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Speaker 1: Broadway Baby. So I always loved Broadway. I didn't even

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Speaker 4: Did you see a touring production or did you see

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Speaker 1: I saw Heather Headley and Aida Oh my god, and

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Speaker 1: it was like, what you can get paid to do that?

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Speaker 4: You get paid to do that?

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Speaker 1: It was like what there was like a black leading lady.

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Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, you can have a career in music.

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Speaker 1: That's not being Britney Spears. That's not a pop star.

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Speaker 1: Because at that time we had like Justica Simpson and

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Speaker 2: So that was it really opened my eyes. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sure, since the strike though, it really changed. That's when

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Speaker 4: Oh because of the strike.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it just.

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Speaker 1: Came because it was happening a lot in London because

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Speaker 1: I come to London starting to play. There's no pressure,

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Speaker 3: Actually, and with Rachel Ziggler in Evita in the West

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Speaker 1: For the Oh oh my god, it's even more because

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen to do dream Girls. Yes, And at that

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Speaker 1: After the pandemic, like everything really changed because if you

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Speaker 2: It's like a rock concert like their musical, Like it's crazy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well I love that.

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Speaker 3: I love that theater and musicals are such an important

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Speaker 4: I need to.

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Speaker 1: See Someone asked me, they said, what is this show

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Speaker 2: And I was like, it's.

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Speaker 1: Course because I can't dance like that, But I would

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Speaker 2: I would never be in it.

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Speaker 1: I don't have the range, but I would be. I'll

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Speaker 1: just say to say, and dance Cassie. You want to

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Speaker 4: You want to be Cassie?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If I could come back as not the singer that

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Speaker 3: That's so funny because I was just going to ask,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well we've been We've been playing with like another

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Speaker 1: color purple, Like I feel like I want to do

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Speaker 2: It's kind of always kind of been glossed over.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm from North Carolina and I've kind of

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Speaker 1: So that's that's another one I would love to bring back.

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Speaker 4: And like that's a great idea.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what are your thoughts on jukebox musicals like Mama

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Speaker 1: Well, I think there's a place for all kinds of musicals.

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Speaker 1: Like I don't feel like we should say because some

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Speaker 2: They're like, oh, it's not on the art form.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I was like, think they're fun.

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Speaker 2: But you can't have pop without blues.

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Speaker 1: You can't have jazz without gospel, you can't have country

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Speaker 1: without it all works together for the whole ecosystem of Broadway.

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Speaker 2: You need those.

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Speaker 1: People who just know Mama Mia to come in and

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Speaker 4: That out right, or maybe the gateway.

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Speaker 1: It's a gateway. It's the gateway to get people in.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually working on a jukebox musical myself that I wrote,

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Speaker 2: I love that. So I was like, maybe this is

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Speaker 1: I hate it when it's like, you know, they say

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Speaker 3: And you know what else it's it's it's great for

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Speaker 2: Well, I love that. She was like, I'm right in,

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Speaker 3: Like my son, I can't wait to take them to

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Speaker 2: And the original Broadway casts of Aladdin bab.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know brought about that too, but I

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Speaker 1: It's just a Little Gateway and then they'll be like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Are you into these musicals now based on based on

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Speaker 2: Well, when they are done, Death Becomes Her did it right?

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Speaker 1: I feel like if you like the movie and you

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Speaker 1: I think because Chris Catlly is a good friend of

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Speaker 1: I think when people try to come in and do

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Speaker 1: these movie musicals and they don't really like musicals, that's flops.

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Speaker 1: I was like, you really have to love the movie

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Speaker 1: and musicals too, Like you need to love the art

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I've seen them and I was like, y'all, we

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Speaker 4: Yes, Like that could have been an email. Yeah totally. Well,

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Speaker 4: Death Becomes Her did it right? And I love it.

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Speaker 3: That production is so great and the choreography that they

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Speaker 3: put so much time into, like you know, the falling

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Speaker 1: And the money they put into the costumes and the

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Speaker 1: Like some people don't even know there was a movie.

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Speaker 3: I think most people don't know, especially if you grow

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Speaker 2: People were like, why are you? Why are you making

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Speaker 1: You know that you didn't know none of that. You

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Speaker 2: That was it.

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Speaker 4: That was it.

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Speaker 3: There was it was the salmon news, Like there was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, their life.

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Speaker 3: As a kid, you know, you dream of getting to

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Speaker 1: That whole thing was incredible because I told you, I

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Speaker 1: now and I'm living inside of my dream and I

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00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 1: was singing still. I think he's rather tasting. I used

445
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 1: to look that little cartoon character. She had a gap

446
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 1: like me. And then I was like singing that part

447
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 1: and I was attended to Jasmine and then like hearing

448
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,199
Speaker 1: a whole new world with the whole thing. I was like,

449
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,360
Speaker 1: oh my god, I used to watch this as a kid,

450
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 1: and I'm living inside of my dream. That was such

451
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 1: an incredible time, and it was a different time on Broadway,

452
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:21,360
Speaker 1: like Broadway.

453
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 2: I feel like Broadway.

454
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 1: I don't know because I got older, but like Broadway

455
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,919
Speaker 1: then was like WHOA the.

456
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 2: Pinnacle of life, like it was like yeah.

457
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 1: Twenty twelve, twenty fourteen, they used to like really pump

458
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,239
Speaker 1: a lot of money into shows like it was just

459
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 1: like any Disney New show is always.

460
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 2: Like a big spectacle anyway.

461
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 1: So I just felt like I was a part of

462
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 1: something really incredible. The only downside to it was my

463
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 1: personal life was like in hell.

464
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 2: Like I was married to this guy. He was a drummer.

465
00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 1: He wasn't successful at the time, and I I was

466
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 1: having all this. But we started out together hustling on

467
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: cruise ships and stuff. I started to get more and

468
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 1: more and more because I had got a Book of

469
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 1: Mormon first, and then I got a Laddin and that

470
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 1: was like I was doing more and more and he

471
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,479
Speaker 1: was just going back down the other way. And I

472
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 1: remember the day before our opening night, he got us

473
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: kicked out of our apartment and I was like, how

474
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 1: is my career like this?

475
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 2: Advice that sucks.

476
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 1: Gavin Krale, my friend, used to say, everything is both,

477
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: so then you don't put any pressure on does it

478
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 1: have to be perfect?

479
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 2: No, it's both.

480
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:45,679
Speaker 1: It can be happy, sad, frustrating, exciting, cooling. Everything is

481
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: both because you put so much pressure on a moment

482
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 1: to be everything you wanted to be. But it's gonna

483
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: be everything. It's gonna be both. It's gonna there's gonna

484
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: be rough parts of it, it's gonna be great parts

485
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: of it.

486
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 2: But that's okay, it's all a part of it.

487
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 4: He was so wonderful and that's great that. Yeah, he

488
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 4: gave you that great advice.

489
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've talked about the kinds of limitations that you

490
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 3: faced coming up, talk about the kinds of roles you

491
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 3: were auditioning for, the kinds of roles you wanted.

492
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: Well at that time, so that was probably about twenty twelve.

493
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 2: When I left school.

494
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: I remember my teacher said, either you need to lose

495
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 1: fifty pounds or you.

496
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 2: Need to gain fifty pounds. There's no in between. That's it.

497
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's what they said. And actually, I'm

498
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 1: not gonna hold you.

499
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 2: He was right.

500
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: Like it was like at that time, the types of

501
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,959
Speaker 1: women for women were so clear. It was like you

502
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 1: are the angenou, you're the pretty skinny girl, or you're

503
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 1: the funny fat comic, that sidekick friend mostly always black

504
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: or someone of color or yeah, and then if you

505
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: were a bigger white girl, you were also in there

506
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: with us as well, like we were all we were

507
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 1: all over.

508
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: There too, like come on, girl, come on to us.

509
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: So what we had available to us.

510
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: For me at that time was I can sing how sassy,

511
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: random black girl singing and soul. That was it, And

512
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: that was like I was like, you know what if

513
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: that's what's going to make me money because at that time,

514
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,719
Speaker 1: like I was just excited I was going to make

515
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: this real money. I was like, yeah, I'm going to

516
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: be the best at that, and you're going to hire

517
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: me for that. So I did a lot of like

518
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: ensemble feature roles and covering the principles. So I did

519
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: like all the Motor Mouse and the Mama Morton's and

520
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: the Dynamites and the you know all those ones, and

521
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: then the Fie. I did fee twice before I did

522
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: it in London, so if he felt like the only

523
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: one of those sassy black girl roles where I could

524
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: be a lead, like the center narrative. So I really

525
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: chase that one hard because I was like, at least

526
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: if I got to be the sassy black girl, I

527
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: could be the one in the spotlight for this.

528
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 4: But there was just one of those one.

529
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying, And it was really hard

530
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 1: to watch my white counterparts have all these roles that

531
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: they had access to, not even just you know, to

532
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: have access to the roles, with access to the wealth

533
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: of having access to roles, to the awards, to climbing

534
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: up the ladder, because yeah, also to just practice in

535
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,719
Speaker 1: your art, Like if there's not a lot of roles,

536
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: when do you get to practice, when do you get

537
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 1: to like get better at what you're doing? And then

538
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: so you are a black girl, you get that one

539
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: shot and you better be good and you better kill it,

540
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: and that's it. Like that's it's it, and you might

541
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: not work for a while and you might not work,

542
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So yeah, it was for me.

543
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: I was like, there's got to be something some gotta change,

544
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 1: like and then I just.

545
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 4: Want and then Manuel Miranda comes along.

546
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: And well Miranda comes along and he changes all of

547
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: that and says, I'm just gonna make this anyone. I

548
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: was on Broadway when Hamilton came, which was very interesting.

549
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 2: So I was in something Rotten.

550
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: So I remember we were in a huddle something I

551
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: was about to open on Broadway and we were gonna

552
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 1: find out that day if Hamilton was gonna come into

553
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: our same Tony season, because we knew if Hamilton came

554
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: into our Tony season. We were called hut we were.

555
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: We were like, no, I will never forget that day.

556
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: I was.

557
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: We were all in a huddle in the studio waiting

558
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: for the announcement to come out, and then it came

559
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: out and they were like, they're opening in July. We

560
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: were like, yes, so that would be the next Tony

561
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: season and we were like hey God.

562
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 2: We were like, oh my God, thank you God.

563
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 4: We were so happy.

564
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: We were so happy because they were like, oh, we

565
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: might have a job more than a year. We were

566
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: like so happy.

567
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: And the crazy part is Hamilton's still swallowed us all up,

568
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: like literally.

569
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 4: That didn't matter.

570
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: It really didn't matter.

571
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: We lasted two years, which was a lot, but I

572
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: think we could have read for years if Hamilton didn't come,

573
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: because at that time, those Hamilton tickets were like eight

574
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: hundred to thousands of dollars, and people instead of paying

575
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty dollars here, one hundred fifty dollars

576
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: there to see something Wrotten and all the other shows,

577
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: they were saving all of their money to get one

578
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: Hamilton ticket.

579
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

580
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: We had Chris Jackson on and he said, you know,

581
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 3: when he was coming up like the old musicals weren't

582
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: writing roles for black men. He didn't really have a

583
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 3: desire to perform in those old kind of musicals. He

584
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: loves the new roles that are being created, and when

585
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 3: you have friends like Lynn, they're awesome roles. Yeah, So

586
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 3: I think he was sort of alluding to the same

587
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 3: a similar kind of environment.

588
00:27:59,520 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 4: At that time.

589
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: There was nothing it was crazy like and if it

590
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: wasn't Ragtime, and if it wasn't Dreamgirls, yeah, and it

591
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: wasn't anything that we had to do like the band

592
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: like racism. There was no kind of like where you

593
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: could just be and have a full arc. That's what

594
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: I really realized now that I've gotten to play roles

595
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: that were written for white people.

596
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: Yes, just how much of.

597
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: A full arc that they have because they see them

598
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: as a fully realized human, which is so wild to me.

599
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, because you don't see that a

600
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: black person is a fully realized human. They're only going

601
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: to get a few little bits and you don't know

602
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: the backstory, you don't know how they got there. They

603
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: say this amazing song, they disappear, So to get the

604
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: opportunity to do a full arc that was That was

605
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: mind blowing and also what I want to do for

606
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: the future. It was like, Okay, I need to make

607
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: this possible available. Everyone like to make that kind of

608
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: artistry available to everyone.

609
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 4: So when do you first go to London?

610
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: I went to London in twenty sixteen, so I was

611
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: in Something Rotten.

612
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 4: Yeah you go for so stream Girls.

613
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: Yes, so go back. Dream Rose is coming to the

614
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: West End. I had to work with Casey Nikola on

615
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: like five shows.

616
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: At this point.

617
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: He said, Amber Riley's gonna be Effie and I want

618
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: you to be her alternate and I was like, yes, fease.

619
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: I have the audition with the UK team privately, like

620
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: in his apartment, which is crazy, and I was like,

621
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: I know, is slay that. I was like, I say that.

622
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: I had to say that it was great. I'm waiting

623
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: for the call. No call, and I called him. I

624
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: was like, Casey, is this gonna happen or not? Like

625
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: I need to know if I'm moving to Land or not.

626
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, I'm so sorry. They came back

627
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: to me and said they're gonna use two people from

628
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: the UK instead of bringing somebody over because it's cheaper.

629
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: And I was like so crushed because and I couldn't

630
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: be too crushed because anytime Casey has said he was

631
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: going to do something, he's come through for me. So

632
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, but this was the

633
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: one I really really loved it. I was like, I

634
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: really wanted this, So I say, you know what, let

635
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: me go do this for myself and if anything happens,

636
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: I'll be ready.

637
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: I want to act a secuity website.

638
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: And I see a production of dream Girls being done

639
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: in Dallas in the next month or so, and I

640
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: go to the audition for it, and the guy who

641
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: was directing it was my choreographer for my first All

642
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: Black Oklahoma I had did in Portland, and he was like,

643
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: you're not gonna leave your I always showed to come

644
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: take a pay cut to do this, and I was like, yes,

645
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: I am, and I don't know why, but I have

646
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: to do it. I don't know why, but someone tell

647
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: me I have to do it. So I get the part,

648
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: and then I have to go back to something Wroten

649
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: and ask can you let me out because it costs

650
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: money to replace somebody in the Brower show. Yeah, it

651
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: got like thirty grand to replace somebody because you got

652
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: to get their costumes all due.

653
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: You gotta get costumes made. Oh, you gotta do rehearsals.

654
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: You got yea.

655
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: So it's a lot of extra charges and fees and things.

656
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: So usually they'll say no. But I went to Kevin

657
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: McCullum and I said, can I please go do E

658
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: Fie and Dreamgirls in Dallas? And he said of course.

659
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: He's like, I can't stop you from being a star. Wow,

660
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: can you believe that? Yeah?

661
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: And so he let me do it.

662
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: I came back and I was back for like three

663
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: weeks and something rotten and I get a call and

664
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: they said do you want to play Fie White in London?

665
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: And I was like what They were like, can you

666
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: come tonight? Oh my god, tonight, babe? So the cast

667
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: got so ill and none of the covers are ready.

668
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: It was previews, and this is like pre COVID, so

669
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: you don't cancel a show like back then. If you

670
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: cancel the show, that's like what like that's like state

671
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: of emergency. You don't cancel a show. So they asked

672
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: me to come and then I was trying to hear back,

673
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: like okay, so where am I going? And then I

674
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: saw a show had been caned like two shows have

675
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: been canceled. I was like, oh, this is about to happen,

676
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: like now. So I packed my stuff that weekend and

677
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: I knew I wasn't coming back.

678
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: I don't know why I had because member my children.

679
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: I was in that terrible relationship and I was like

680
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: praying to God during that whole to get me out.

681
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: And then when I got that call, I was literally like,

682
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: oh my God, is this it. I was like, God,

683
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: I got to move to another country.

684
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 4: It's the answer.

685
00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the answer.

686
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: I was like, you're playing with me, but I'm gonna

687
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: go with it. I was supposed to be there three weeks.

688
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: They put me in somebody's clothes that was not ready

689
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: and feed all those clothes to my body.

690
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

691
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: I had five days rehearsal and I was starring in

692
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: a west In show. Wow, I was Effie.

693
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 4: How long did you do that?

694
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: For two years? Oh my gosh, my whole life changed.

695
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: Like I remember the first show because Amber is a

696
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: big star. When she comes out, they say Effie and

697
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: everyone's like, yeah, nobody knew I was there. There was

698
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: like a little slip of paper the thing. But they

699
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: don't they don't want to make no announcements. Nobody knows

700
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: who I am. I've not even been in the cast announcements.

701
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm coming out of nowhere, and they go

702
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: Effie and I come out and everyone's like. I was like, oh,

703
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a long night, Okay, So I do,

704
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you the big number, Act one and

705
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: everyone's on their feet, crying, screaming, like going crazy, and

706
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: I was like, well, that's when I knew that I

707
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: had caught fire. I was like, Okay, yeah, this is

708
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: where I'm supposed to be. This is where it's about

709
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: to pop off. And then nine years later to Olivier

710
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: six to six Western shows like Singing for the King,

711
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: like all from like a call because somebody was sick.

712
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 3: But you were ready. That's the important part. You got

713
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 3: yourself ready for that.

714
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: I was ready, and I knew there was something waiting

715
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: for me, and I was just like, what is it?

716
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,959
Speaker 2: What is it? What is it? Okay?

717
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: I just got to just get to the grind. That's

718
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: the other thing. You can't just pray for a exit.

719
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: You gotta pray for the resilience to handle the blessing

720
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: as well to handle because you're praying everybody's praying for

721
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: a lot of things, but all of you also praying

722
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: that you can handle it when it comes, because everybody

723
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: want to be a star. This is hard out here.

724
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: You got to take care of yourself. You gotta know yourself,

725
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: your mental health. I think it's more mental than physical

726
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: sometimes because there's days you wake up we call it

727
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: the fear. So you wake up in the morning you're like,

728
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: do I have it?

729
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: Okay?

730
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: Maybe I might have it, and you might not have it,

731
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: and you might have it in a couple of hours,

732
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: but you might.

733
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: But you just have to.

734
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: Know yourself so well and know your body so well,

735
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: or you be calling out every day because you're never

736
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: gonna feel one hundred percent. And then sometimes your mind

737
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: can play tricks on you and be like, I can't

738
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: do this today, I can't.

739
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: I'm scared. I don't know if I if I'll be

740
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: able to hit the nose. I'm scared. I don't know.

741
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: So many people with like panic attacks and anxiety in

742
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: this industry because it's just a lot of pressure because

743
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: people are coming to see you. There's no tape, there's

744
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: no stop, you can't rewind, you can't buy another tape.

745
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: This is it. People have paid their money, people are

746
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 2: coming down on trains, they got hotels, they got babysitters,

747
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: they're all coming to see you. And it's a lot

748
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: of pressure.

749
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 1: It's a lot of pressure mentally, it's a mental game.

750
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: And I really coach a lot of people, so there's

751
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: a lot. I'm like, I feel like I'm the leading

752
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: ladies coach. Like there's a lot of girls that I

753
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: chat with and what except I was like, what are

754
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: you doing? Stay well? What medication are you taking? And

755
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: then they're like, I'm scared? Help me Like just kind

756
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: of because I get it, because I there's only a

757
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: few of us that can relate to know what that

758
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: feels like.

759
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's interesting.

760
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: I was like, people, I just alway tell people to

761
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: be kind to performers because you don't know what it

762
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: took for them to get on that stage that day.

763
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 2: And sometimes it takes a lot to get out there.

764
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: It's a lot.

765
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 4: So you stay in London? What is your life like

766
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 4: in London?

767
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 2: Right?

768
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: Like?

769
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 4: What's your life?

770
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: Like? I want to through you right easy?

771
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 4: Tell your life.

772
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: Like well, I started working with the Royal family in

773
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: the pandemic because my good, good friend, Kavirine Jenkins. She's

774
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: like the crown rose jewel of the royal family. Like

775
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: you know how there's always a singer that comes out

776
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: and I was like, oooh, the one that comes out

777
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: in the gown and like that's Kafin Dreekins.

778
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: She's stunning to a barbie.

779
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: And she was opening the Festival Remembrance, which is like

780
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: a big event for the Royal family where they remember

781
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: like the fallen troops and things from like World War

782
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: two and like the veterans. Okay, and this is twenty

783
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: twenty and I think it said her cleaner got COVID,

784
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: but then the whole family had the sequester anyway, So

785
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: they called me at twelve o'clock that day and they're like,

786
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: how fast can you get to the Royal opperhol And

787
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: I was like what. I was like, huh because we

788
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 1: were with the same record label, and I said maybe

789
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: like forty five minutes. And they were like, do you

790
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: know any British wartime songs? I was like, oh, sure,

791
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: which was.

792
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 2: Sure? Which one?

793
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: They didn't even tell me right away what song it was,

794
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: so I'm on google British War.

795
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

796
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they come back there was like, well, we're

797
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: gonna do we need you to replace Catherine because she's

798
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: got COVID. You need to open the festival remembrance for

799
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: Prince Charles and the Queen is still out of the son.

800
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: So I was like okay. So that they were like,

801
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: we want to do White Cliffs of Dover. Luckily I

802
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: had worked on a cruise ship and there was like

803
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: all these old British people who used to request White

804
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: Cliffs of Dover. Now it's instrumental. So I knew the tune.

805
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: It was like some dog millionaire, remember when he was

806
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: like answering question and goes back in his brain. He's like, oh,

807
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: I got the answer. So I have the tune in

808
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: my brain, but I didn't know the words like that.

809
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: So I get in the car. I learned the song

810
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: in the car. My stylist is running through Harod's with

811
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: the FaceTime Do you like this dress? Do you like

812
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: that dress? Do you like this dress? She goes to

813
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: get the dress. My hairstylus is running to the place.

814
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: I get there.

815
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm literally in pajamas and my hair is sticking. Talk

816
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: of my lad and everybody is ready. So like I

817
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: go through the backstage there's the beefeeders with like.

818
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: The black the furry hat.

819
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: Somebody had a tiger on their shoulder, you know, you

820
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: know the royals do like pomp a circumstance like nobody else,

821
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: like yeah, trumpets and trumbull like girl soldiers everywhere, like

822
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: all in full regali, y'all. I'm like ducking and diving

823
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: everybody trying to get my dressing room. I get in

824
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: my dressing room and the conductor comes in. He's like,

825
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: are you the person singing this? So give me forty

826
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: five minutes. I look much better than this. I go

827
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: to his room. We sing through the song. Catherine is

828
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: like a lyric soprano, so thank god. She had a

829
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: sick key and her key, so I tried in both

830
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: keys and I was like, I'm doing a lower key

831
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: because then I can really belt it. And I did

832
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: it once with them, got my clothes on, went out.

833
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: On the stage.

834
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's all there's horses in the theater

835
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: like in Robot.

836
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 2: They took all the seats out. There's horses.

837
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 4: Girl.

838
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: I was like, how did my country tale get in here?

839
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: I don't know how this has happened. And then this

840
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: fine like conductor who was like the conductor of the

841
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: Royal Marines band comes over.

842
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: He's like, are you ready? I was like, let's hit it.

843
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: And then I sung the song and everyone in the

844
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: building was like what is this because they've never heard

845
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: any other kind of person sing this music because I

846
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: added like my thing to it and it was amazing.

847
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: And then we went live to eleven million people, wow,

848
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: and I sang white close was over. And after I finished,

849
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, didn't see boom. There's no audience

850
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: this just because it's COVID. And then the host says

851
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: and now his Majesty Prince John's and I was like,

852
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: could I just Prince Jobs?

853
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 4: That's so wild? You're like, how did I get here?

854
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: How'd I get And so then that started my like

855
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: I I've sang to the Royals so many times. Now

856
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: the King knows my name. He congratulated me on getting

857
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: my citizenship. I just did the British national anthem. I

858
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: was the first American to sing it for the King

859
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: with the beef eaters next to me and a big

860
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: old gown and yeah, it was crazy, Like I just

861
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: still like that still feels like a dream, Like Tamilla

862
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: came to see me and guys and dolls Princess and

863
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 1: I found out with Will. They've invited me to Buckingham Palace.

864
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: I've had tea at Buckingham Palace with them. Like it's

865
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: like I don't even know, like what it's wild. So

866
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: anytime they have any kind of event, they always ask

867
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: me to come. I think I'm going to be doing

868
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: Kate Middleton's Christmas show at Christmas time. But like what,

869
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: I also feel like I brought something different to the

870
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: pomp and circumstance of it all. It really helps that

871
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm black. I think it's really nice to have the

872
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: representation in these spaces because there are not a lot

873
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: of black people in these spaces. So I don't even

874
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: know how I got in there. I'm just like just

875
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: going to keep representing. I did the d Day sixty

876
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: show and I had this big number with like a

877
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: full brass band and dancers and everything. And I come

878
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: off after the show after the number, and I'm like panting,

879
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: and then I look up and my managers, like the

880
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: King and Queen are standing right there. I was OK,

881
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: And i look up and I'm like, hey, y'all. I

882
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: don't even say you're mad to see it, like, hey,

883
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: y'all biking and they just start chatting to me and

884
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: it was so nice. But I was just like where

885
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: am I? Like what's happening? It's just but it's been

886
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: I really have made And then when I went on

887
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: Big Brother, that made that so then I became like

888
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: a household, like I lived with Sharon Osbourne, Like what

889
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: is it? Like I used to watch the Osbourne's all

890
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: the time and now I'm like eating breakfast with Sharon Osbourne,

891
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: making her a salmon, we talking about Ozzie, talking about

892
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: her kids, like well, you know, like.

893
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 4: Well that show is it's bigger there than this year.

894
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: It's so massive that well it started, it's huge, and

895
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: we were the first celebrity B Brother to come back

896
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: in like six years or something like that, and they

897
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: were doing like a rebrand. They didn't want it to

898
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: be as like as it was before. Soah, and that's

899
00:43:58,560 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: how I snuck on.

900
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 3: Well, but were you worried, Like I've I've been asked

901
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 3: to do a lot of reality and I love reality TV.

902
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 3: I watch a lot of reality, but I was worried

903
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 3: about what it would do to my career.

904
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 4: And it's a little different now, but well I'm not

905
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 4: if I was worried. Were you concerned?

906
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: Well, people were concerned for me because like the Brits

907
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: knew what it was and I don't really know.

908
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: I didn't really know what it was. I just know myself.

909
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: I think if you it only amplifies what you already are, Like,

910
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: if you are a kind person, you're going to look

911
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: a really really kind person. If you are a jerk,

912
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: even with like a bigger jerk, like yeah, because it

913
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: just puts like a lens on that. And if you

914
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: have no self awareness you are you won't make it

915
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,959
Speaker 1: because some people don't show that they're crazy.

916
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: You know.

917
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: I mean that's the funnest person to watch, Like, yes,

918
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 3: they know they are.

919
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 4: That's really fun for us, but not for them.

920
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: No.

921
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: So I always say know yourself, but also know what's

922
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: going on in the world. I think that was a

923
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: big one because some people would say some things and

924
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: have some views, and I'm like, do you know what's

925
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: actually happening in the world, Like do you know what's

926
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: you know?

927
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: What? Are you on the right side of history? Do

928
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: you know? Like you know what I mean? So I

929
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: think that's kind of but I knew I've been working

930
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: in theater.

931
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: I was like, ain't no queen gonna get me down,

932
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: Like I've been in every situation, Like I've dealt with divas,

933
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: I've dealt with crazy directors, I've dealt if anybody comes

934
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: at me. I really know how to diffuse instead of

935
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: like adding to the fire of it. But it was

936
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: the hardest thing I've ever done. Like it was you

937
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: just don't know how you're being perceived.

938
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 4: You don't know what the.

939
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: There, you don't know if you're kaling, you don't know

940
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 1: if you're the hero. Luckily, I had a good relationship

941
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: with the producers because I had worked with them on

942
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: the royal stuff. So I was like, I don't think

943
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: they're gonna make me look bad advantages to make me

944
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: look because then I can't work with some one other things.

945
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: So I was like, and also, I just don't feel

946
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: like I'm that kind of person. So but I did

947
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 1: think when I got it, I was like, oh my god,

948
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: this is going to shine a light on all the

949
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: amazing things of already doing so when I was in

950
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 1: the Big brother House, I got nominated for an Olivier

951
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: and they showed it on television so in the task,

952
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: we had like a funfair task, and so they were

953
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: like each person had to do like you know, throwing

954
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: the rings or do the thing. And they were like, Mauritia,

955
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: go to the fortune teller booth and I was like,

956
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: oh no. And at that time, because it was wrapping up,

957
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: it was like ramping up, so any moment you could

958
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: be evicting somebody and we were scared. So I was like,

959
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: they were like, go to fortune teiler booth, pull out

960
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: a ball and a pull out the ball and they

961
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: were like, read the message. And I was like, oh no,

962
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to evict somebody. And I read

963
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: the message and it said in the future, you will

964
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: be at the rower Up Hall because you have been

965
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: nominated for an Olivier.

966
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god. Everyone in the

967
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: house are screaming, like going crazy.

968
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: Nuts, and that had never happened before because they're not

969
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: supposed to tell you anything about the outside world when

970
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: you're there. I had asked if I had been nominated

971
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: to Big Brother and he was like, don't worry about

972
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: the outside world.

973
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 2: Know that you're a star in the Big Brother House.

974
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: So I didn't think they were going to tell me.

975
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: So then when I found out in the task, everyone

976
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: was crying, like and then the producer said they were

977
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: behind the wall watching it, and then everyone of the

978
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: producers booth was crying and going God, it was crazy.

979
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: I was like, that was the best moment for you.

980
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: It went really well.

981
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: I had one druma moment where if you know, I

982
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: remember that Ensue from the Traders.

983
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So she was in the house with me

984
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: as well, okay, and I voted her off.

985
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: Well, everyone had nominated her anyway, but just me in particular,

986
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 1: I guess because she thought we were really close.

987
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 2: But I was like, this is a like who were

988
00:47:59,360 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: gonna vote off?

989
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: With gott to vote people off, and she had just

990
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: voted off one of her closest people, Louis Walsh, So

991
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: I was like, but then when I voted her off,

992
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 1: she was like, how dare he?

993
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: Like?

994
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: She went holistic, like went wild and was screaming at

995
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: me and going crazy, and I'm thinking the whole time,

996
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: Oh this, They're gonna hate me because she has like

997
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: millions of followers, and I was like, oh god, they're

998
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: gonna hate me for voting her off well dominating her,

999
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: and then the whole time I was crying. I was

1000
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: because at this time, you get so wrapped up in

1001
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: the house it feels like that's the only thing that

1002
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: is important. And I was just really scared that like

1003
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: I was gonna come out to like everyone hating me

1004
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: for voting off their favorite person.

1005
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: I was wrong.

1006
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 1: So when I get to the elimination, you can hear

1007
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: the audience, so they call each person's name who's up

1008
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: for eviction, and then you they'll boot or they'll cheer.

1009
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,280
Speaker 2: Which is crazy.

1010
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: So they called Etkin Sue's name and everyone went boo,

1011
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh yeah, I gagged. I was like,

1012
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: I must not watch enough reality TV. I don't know

1013
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: who the villains are, I don't know take everybody at

1014
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 1: face value. But then also I realized I wasn't working.

1015
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: This is their job, like the reality TV stars there

1016
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: they the character they've created for these shows.

1017
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 4: They just keep doing it.

1018
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,479
Speaker 1: Yes, they're working, so they're looking angles they're looking for

1019
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: the right creating moments.

1020
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 2: They're looking to make great television.

1021
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: I was just there as myself, and I didn't realize

1022
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: that this is a game. I was like, oh, oh,

1023
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: this is a this is a show. This is like

1024
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,479
Speaker 1: no they're actually people who are working at the show.

1025
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 1: Just like I was playing Adelaide and playing Sally Bowls

1026
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: and Cabaret, they're playing the character themselves in this play.

1027
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: That was like what that blew my mind because I thought,

1028
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: but the crazy part about them is that they can't

1029
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: separate themselves from the characters that they've created, which is tough.

1030
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 4: I see that all the time with reality people.

1031
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, because some of them are really nice people, but

1032
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: the character that they've created on these shows, they have

1033
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: to stick with it because they have Yeah, telling me money,

1034
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: I want to.

1035
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 4: Talk about some divas. I'm going to run through list.

1036
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: I want you to tell me the first word or

1037
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 3: like a couple of words that come to mind.

1038
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 2: Do you say divas?

1039
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: I have a queen, look at you, Gladys Knight, Chaka Khan, Stephaniemales.

1040
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 4: Fantastic, fantastic, Okay.

1041
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: Oh wow Diva, I mean yeap Diva.

1042
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 4: She would enjoy that. Leah Salonga.

1043
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: Oh, she's lovely, legend, legend, Yeah, Audra Queen, Queen, queen

1044
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:11,959
Speaker 1: burned up Peters.

1045
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: Oh, I just was with her.

1046
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: Icon great Cheta Rivera Oh, groundbreaking, yeah, ground.

1047
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 4: Break good pro Bailey, Oh, I love.

1048
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: She was transformative. She changed a lot of things in

1049
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: this industry.

1050
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, Jennifer Holiday.

1051
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: Oh I'll cry well I think about her.

1052
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 2: I think she.

1053
00:51:53,360 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: Was the lighthouse. Like she you could see her. Because

1054
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: of her, so many people felt like they could do it.

1055
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:07,959
Speaker 1: She was the beacon of light. It was like, come, come, come,

1056
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: you can do it. She's lighthouse. Yeah.

1057
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 4: Love that. Okay, we just have a lightning round now.

1058
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 2: Great.

1059
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 3: I feel like I've already asked you so many Broadway questions,

1060
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 3: but here are some more.

1061
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 4: What's the best movie musical?

1062
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: Okay, you ready for this? Go Chicago?

1063
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 4: No, that's my favorite too.

1064
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: It's better than the music.

1065
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 3: The play Queen Latifa and Richard Gear and Catherine Zada Jones,

1066
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 3: like if they're all just perfectly cast.

1067
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 1: Kevin's need the Jones came and sell guys and dolls

1068
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: Girl and I fan girl out like I don't fang girl.

1069
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 2: With nobody like that.

1070
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:53,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1071
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but because I used to watch that movie musical,

1072
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 2: am I.

1073
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 4: Dorm me too? Over and over and over again.

1074
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: When she came to the show, She's like you slate.

1075
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: I was like.

1076
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 4: Please, that's awesome.

1077
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like please, I can't take it, like.

1078
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 4: I think that's the one that they did the best.

1079
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 2: Absolute best. It got it right. Now. I want to

1080
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 2: see that version on stage.

1081
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 3: Right, yes, yeah, I agree like now because it was

1082
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 3: so good.

1083
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 4: The stage version is almost disappointing.

1084
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 2: It is to me like I want to Yeah, what's.

1085
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 4: Your favorite food in London?

1086
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: Oh, that's interesting. My favorite food in London. M it's

1087
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 2: not even like a London food. I love ramen.

1088
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: I think like all the ethnic foods in London are

1089
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: so good, like raman, sushi, Japanese food, like.

1090
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 3: We go out together. Yeah, yeah, that's your you're talking

1091
00:53:58,600 --> 00:53:59,479
Speaker 3: my love, My.

1092
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 2: Damn, that's my damned Asian food.

1093
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 4: What's the food you miss the most from the States?

1094
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: From the States?

1095
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: Oh god, you know what I did miss from the stakes,

1096
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: even though I don't eat a lot of it, y'all's

1097
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: fast food tastes completely different. I don't eat fast food

1098
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: in London because it's horrible. Oh so, like when I

1099
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: came back, I just wanted a sausage and cheese from

1100
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Speaker 1: McDonald's that tasted like, yeah, I missed that, And then

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Speaker 1: I just missed my mama's food, like soul food they

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Speaker 1: don't have. They they have Caribbean soul food. But it's

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Speaker 1: not like my mama's back southern. They don't have southern

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Speaker 1: food like that.

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Speaker 4: What's your favorite thing to do to unwind?

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Speaker 1: I think my favorite thing to do. I love a

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Speaker 1: spa like I love a treatment. Give me a massage,

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00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 1: give me a pool, Give me a hot tub.

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00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, cucumber water, cucumber water. Give me I got a

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Speaker 2: towel on. Yes, you know what I mean. Pull it back,

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Speaker 2: hydrate it. This is what I want.

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Speaker 1: Give me to give me all the treatments, give me everything.

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Speaker 4: What do you do to get to sleep? Do you

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Speaker 4: have a sleep routine?

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Speaker 2: You know what. I have been struggling with my sleep recently.

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Speaker 1: I think because I'm not doing a show, so I'm

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Speaker 1: not tired out, like and my body clock is trying

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Speaker 1: to destabilize to go back to a normal schedule of sleep.

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00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 2: But I have this like.

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Speaker 1: Track on Spotify called ten Minute Deep Sleep Meditation. Okay us, no,

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00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: it's just a lady talking for ten minutes. Now, release

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Speaker 1: your legs, release your knees, releases me to the end.

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Speaker 2: I want.

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Speaker 1: So it's good, yes, like it's so good, Like you know,

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Speaker 1: people can comment on the track.

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Speaker 2: People are like, oh I am floor, am back at it?

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Speaker 2: Am Wow. Okay, So I use that.

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Speaker 1: I use a sleep mask because I'm in this fierce

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Speaker 1: apartment which I was like, oh great, like the city view.

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Speaker 2: It's so bright, it's like mausoleum. I was like the

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Speaker 2: museum in here.

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Speaker 1: So I have my little sleep mask and if I

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Speaker 1: really want to get to sleep, like I love a

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Speaker 1: little bit of night quails.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm like, Let'm double all that.

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Speaker 4: No shame knock out. Yeah, what's your Where's your favorite

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00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:29,760
Speaker 4: place to shop in London?

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00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 2: Oh Reese? I love Reese. Have you tried Reese Clothing

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00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: s s recently gotten to them? And House of CB.

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00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: If you want to the pretty girl, you want to

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00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: get a compliment. You want to be walking down the

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00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: street and people like you're it. Oh CB stresses I

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00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: had on one day other day and because they don't

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00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: really have House to CB here, like you will see

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Speaker 1: them more in London, but like I want the other

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00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: day col You're gorgeous, beautiful, pretty studying people off the street.

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00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: House cebe popp it Reese if you want to look

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00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: like the cool girl, but like effortless.

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00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 4: Really good tailoring at Reese.

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00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: The tailoring for the price, like that tailoring will.

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Speaker 1: Close you three grand agreed, agreed, not three like that tailoring.

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00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 2: And that's the quality of the fabrius.

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Speaker 4: It's good.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is the final question. It's the most important

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Speaker 3: to me. We ask it at the end of every podcast. Okay,

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00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 3: when is it iced coffee season?

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00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: Every day?

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00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 4: It's a correct answer, a correct answer. You're a round.

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Speaker 2: How is the coffee gonna get to your brain? Like

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00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: I needed to go straight. I don't have times. That's

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00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 2: the cool. I don't got time to be like.

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00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 4: This is what I say.

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00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 2: I don't need the coffee to go to my brain.

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00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 4: I I will put it right there.

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00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 2: Give me the coffee. Also, I keep my coffee and

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00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 2: sip on that for hours, like exactly, it gets watered down.

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00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: I still like it so sitting there waiting for me.

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00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes I do half go do show, come back to

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Speaker 1: get the other half.

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Speaker 4: We are twins.

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Speaker 2: This is it. You get it, you get it, you

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Speaker 2: get it. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much. This was an awesome conversation.

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Speaker 3: I loved geeking out about musicals and I.

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00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 4: Just think you're so wonderful and uh, thank you. Congrats

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Speaker 4: on all your success and thanks.

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Speaker 1: Is out live in London, where I talk about my

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Speaker 1: whole journey which you just we went through, but I

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00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: do it through song, so get that. So it's live

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Speaker 1: in London, Maricha Wallace. But if you haven't listened to it,

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Speaker 1: you'll feel like you're at a musical boo.

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Speaker 2: You'll be fantastic.

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00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 3: Okay, good, oh god, I'm that okay, good well, thanks again, thank.

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Speaker 2: You so much. This is fantastic good.

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Speaker 3: Off the Cup is a production of iHeart Podcasts as

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Speaker 3: part of the Reason Choice Network. If you want more,

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