1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hey, everybody, 4 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,159 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: name is not you, argue, and I am Ben, which 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: makes this stuff they don't want you to know. And 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: before we get into it, you guys, we've had we've 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: had a lot of people asking for shoutouts shot at corners. 9 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: That's right. We are returning yet again for an episode 10 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: of shout Out Corner where we just have listeners introduced themselves, 11 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: say something nice. You know, we had we had a 12 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: really cool thing. Jeremy wrote in about his anniversary that 13 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: was pretty cool. And uh, we're gonna we're gonna keep 14 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: it brief, but if you wrote to us, keep writing 15 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: in who are we shouting out today? The first one 16 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: is Jimmy James Kramer. He wrote to us with a 17 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: really cool story. Well, it's a disturbing story about these 18 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: specific endoscopes that maybe leading to U superbug infections because 19 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 1: they're very difficult to clean. Apparently, endoscopes specifically things that 20 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: let's say, enter orifices in order to check out what's 21 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: going on inside of them in the human body. And 22 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: the problem with these in particulars because once he goes 23 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: in there and it gets the equal ied other bacteria 24 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: that might be living inside of one human, then you 25 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: take it out, remove it, try to sterilize it as 26 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: much as possible. But perhaps there are a couple places 27 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: within the scope, a little small nooks and crannies that 28 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: can't be cleaned well enough to be completely sterile, just 29 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: a little scary. And I think there were a couple 30 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: of recalls at least according to drug watch dot com. 31 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: And I cannot uh. I don't know how reputable this 32 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: site is, unfortunately, but the thing that he did send 33 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: us is pretty creepy. So thanks Jimmy. So is a 34 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: nook and cranny? Is that metric system or something? And 35 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: I think who's next? Well, next, we have a delicious 36 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: shout out to Goustaf von Essen from Sweden with love. 37 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: He suggested doing an episode on the IB affair. IB 38 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: was a secret Swedish intelligence agency that is a mouthful 39 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: that worked with the CIA and the Israel security agency. 40 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: So Gustaf on Essen, consider yourself out shouted or shouted out, 41 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: and our last one for today goes to uh Lynn, Now, 42 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: H may be mispronouncing your name. Lynn. M I a 43 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: o uh there on Twitter? Who said and I quote 44 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: uh conspiracy stuff. Could I please have a shout out 45 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: for good luck? It could really help on college mid terms? So, uh, Lynn, 46 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: we wish you the best of luck on your mid terms. 47 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: I hope your studies well, absolutely, I think we've been there. 48 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: I haven't off the books shout out real quick? Were 49 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: you about to say something? I'm sorry, Oh no, just 50 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: continuing to talk to Lynn. But you know it's cool nol. No, No, 51 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: I didn't know if you had something substantial to say. 52 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,839 Speaker 1: That's not true. Guys, you talk about my mat like that. 53 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: Guys were live. Okay, what is it? Okay? No? I 54 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: just my dear friend Lee Albert Lee Landers of Augusta, 55 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 1: Georgia town. UM just sent me a text that said, 56 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: quote shout out corners skadooche and he was referencing my 57 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: off the cuff shout out corner theme that we have 58 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: now you know it's cannon now and yeah and so um. 59 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: You know, he asked if I would give him a 60 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: shout out because this is the first episode he'd ever 61 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: listened to and so Lee shout out to you. Hey, Lee, 62 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: you're in You're in trouble because we just violated one 63 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: of the rules of shout Out Corner, which is it's 64 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: around three because it's not a shout out room. So well, 65 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: actually though, if it was only a corner, it should 66 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: just be one. Well no, because then it would room 67 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: has four corners, but a corner like one one on 68 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: that side. And then I love that we're talking and 69 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: spatial reason because this is perfect. Okay, So before we 70 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: before we get lost in that, I I do, uh, 71 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: I do, I do have to admit that I love 72 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: the theme. And if you enjoy shout Out Corner, then 73 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: right to us. We have a little bit of a 74 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: list and who knows, maybe you can also meet the 75 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: rest of the listeners. Gosh, less time on stuff they 76 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. No, you were on a 77 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: bit of an adventure and we couldn't really talk about it. 78 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: It was a bit of a secret a secret mission. 79 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: It was a bit of a secret mission. But the 80 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: cat is now out of the bag, or should I 81 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: say the clippy. The clipp is out of the bag, 82 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: badger is out of the No listeners, I'm referring to 83 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: the beloved uh Microsoft widget pre widget precursor to the 84 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: widget up right. And there's a name for it now 85 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: that I can't remember of that type of of digital assistant. 86 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: What I'm getting at is, Guys, over the weekend, I 87 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: took a last minute trip to New York with Josh 88 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: and Chuck from our brother podcast Sister podcast. We would 89 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: have to be gendered about this peer podcast, Keep pure podcast. 90 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: That's good stuff you should know to interview one Mr 91 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: Bill Gates, creator of The Clippy and also couple of Microsoft. Yah, 92 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: something about being one of the most wealthy men alive 93 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: in the free world. Um, but yeah, we talked to 94 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: him a out renewable energy. He launched a really big 95 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: renewable energy initiative and all that was embargo. We went 96 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: to a fancy hotel and talked to him, um, and 97 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: then all that stuff hit the news. What I think 98 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: is sort of a little bit of a bummer I 99 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,679 Speaker 1: think for his folks is the comment that he made 100 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: about that Apple should crack that phone of the San 101 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: Berndino shooter has overshadowed largely, uh, the the stuff that 102 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: he was really trying to promote, which I think is 103 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: a shame. Now you said he was a cool guy. 104 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: Though he was super good. He was chilled in and 105 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: he was really surprised that there was so few handlers 106 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: and um security, I mean it was very low key. 107 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: He probably keeps a close cerca Yeah, oh for sure. 108 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: But just as about security protocol though there was none 109 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: really yeah, we just I mean I got no pat down? 110 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: Did you? Did you request one? Well? Well, I got 111 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: there early because I'm a little O c D about 112 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff and I just want to make 113 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: sure the WiFi was fasten so that I could upload 114 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: the files real quick. It's really fast turnaround for the 115 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: for the recording. It was for the episode that came 116 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: out yesterday and the interview took place on Monday. Um, 117 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: so I uploaded them and our dear friend Jerry, who 118 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: is the producer and stuff you should know, received the 119 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: files and edited the interview into the episode and we 120 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: made the publish deadline, which was yesterday morning. Yeah, I 121 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: quick turnaround, And ladies and gentleman, you can check out 122 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: that episode on iTunes, Stitcher or wherever you like to 123 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: listen to a podcast, and you can hear every Buddy's 124 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: Chuck and Josh as they chop it up with Bill Gates. 125 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: How weird is it that because you were in the 126 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: same room with Bill Gates And I don't know exactly 127 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: how the degrees of separation work necessarily because I think 128 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: the originally you had to send a letter I guess 129 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: to someone that you knew when you were gonna establish 130 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: the six degrees. But that connects you up to some 131 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: very powerful people, not that he isn't perhaps one of 132 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: the most powerful. It was just like the Kevin Bacon game. Yeah, no, 133 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm scared. One thing that Josh commented on his bill 134 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: was drinking a diet coke um and he left it 135 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: behind and we could have taken it and harvested his DNA. 136 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how much effective DNA would get, uh, 137 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: not that I've tried, but from someone's uh not all 138 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: the way consumed soda can. I mean there there's some 139 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: pretty hard you know what, let's see if let's see 140 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: if we keep that one. But let's also move on. Uh. 141 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: This week, we are covering an update series on the 142 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: flat Earth theory. Now, our video for this is going 143 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: to come out probably around Sunday night, maybe Monday, and 144 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: what we do in the video is walk through some 145 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: of the recent ideas, some of the longstanding misconceptions, and 146 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: the reason we wanted to do an update is uh 147 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: pretty pretty important, right Matt. Yeah, we okay, so a 148 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: long time ago. Take take yourselves back now a few years, yes, Ben, 149 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: because we find ourselves here at how stuff works and 150 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know intertwined into perhaps 151 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: the story of the modern flat earth theory simply because 152 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: we You and I specifically produced a video back in 153 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: two thousand nine which then got on YouTube in two 154 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: thousand ten about the theories behind the flat Earth in 155 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: the Flat Earth Society, and it was then posted on 156 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: various forums around the Internet. There's one in particular on 157 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: the Flat Earth Society dot org, I believe, where a 158 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: gentleman named Tom Bishop wrote that specifically, quote how stuff 159 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: works dot com endorses flat earth theory unquote, And it 160 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: kind of became a thing that perhaps our video is 161 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: being used to promote the flat earth theory, which is 162 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: an interesting idea because if you watch the video, uh, 163 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: that is clearly not occurring within it. I mean, it's 164 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: it's the same formula you guys apply to any video 165 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: you make where you take an idea, you talk about 166 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: its background, and you describe the people that espouses set idea, 167 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: but that does not make you said espousers. And that's 168 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: the great thing about that forum, because if you scroll 169 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: a little bit further down and watch the video, yeah, 170 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: there's at least there are at least three people who 171 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: are commenting endorses a really strong word, or maybe you 172 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: didn't watch the whole video, and uh, it's pretty funny. 173 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: They're even using the hero of the facts and here's 174 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy lines in their commenting back and forth. 175 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: So it was quite amusing. I think the more appropriate 176 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: headline would be how stuff works makes video about flat Earth. Sure. Sure, 177 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: but this is also a surprising thing. As you may 178 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: have heard in recent months. Uh, the concept of a 179 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: flat earth, which is a very ancient concept, gained national 180 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: media attention and more people are talking about it on Twitter, 181 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: on Facebook, on Tumbler, probably on Snapchat. Uh. I don't 182 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: think it can quite compete with some of the other 183 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: pictures on Snapchat, but there's probably a few things. So 184 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: while we're there, back in two thousand ten, two thousand nine, 185 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: let's not stop there. Let's travel further back in time 186 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: to the Iron Age. Okay, here we are, so listeners, 187 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: imagine that you're living in the Iron Age, and imagine 188 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: that you're an average person, pretty successful in your community 189 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: by the standards of the time. Now, you're not extraordinarily 190 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 1: successful like a warlord or religious figure or a blacksmith. 191 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: In fact, you're overwhelmingly likely to be a farmer. And 192 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: you measure days not necessarily in hours, but in terms 193 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: of the world's natural rhythm day tonight, the position of 194 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: the sun, phase of the moon, winter to spring and 195 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: back again. And you do not travel widely because this 196 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: would make it difficult to take care of the vital 197 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: crops upon which you and your family depend. Not to mention, 198 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: it would take a long time to get very far 199 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: at all. Right, that's exactly right. And there's I also 200 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: have a video about how long it will take to 201 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: walk around the world for brain stuff. And even today 202 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: it's very, very difficult and pretty dangerous. So forget about 203 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: it in the Iron Age. And you know, let's say 204 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: you're content despite the high rates of child mortality. You 205 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: and your partner have had some kids and they're farming too, 206 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: and you know, you you feel like life is good 207 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: until imagine one day a stranger comes to your community. 208 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: This is a person so different to that at first 209 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: you think maybe they're not human at all, perhaps they're 210 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: some sort of divine creature, an angel, a demon. This 211 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: creature turns out to be a time traveler from uh 212 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: in this example, specifically, Matt Frederick. And Matt tells you 213 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: that the world beyond your flat plane and crops and 214 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: adjacent villages extends beyond the horizon farther further. We're talking philosophically. 215 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 1: Then you might imagine. And if you start walking today, 216 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: says the time traveling Matt Frederick, and you always head west, 217 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 1: you will end up not off the edge of the earth, 218 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: but back here in this very spot you are standing. 219 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: Horsewah And why is that? You ask? And the time 220 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: traveler says, because, of course the earth is round. You 221 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: forget the time traveler as you so you don't have 222 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: to do a voice because the world is round. Now, 223 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: you might not believe this guy at first, and even 224 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: if you did, your community might kill him anyway, because 225 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: that's how people are. Which here's the other thing. You're 226 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: going to need a swimsuit because there will be some 227 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: swimming involved. But however, you can do this, it's yeah, 228 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: so it's the end of the world, or at least 229 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: the the end of the edge of the world as 230 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: we know it. So let's talk about ancient civilizations. It 231 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: is true that in the Iron Age people did believe 232 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: that the Earth was flat. Numerous ancient civilizations did think 233 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: that right all over the world. Yeah, that includes parts 234 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: of India before the Gupta period, Grease up to the 235 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: Classical period, parts of China, Native American cultures, and on 236 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: and on. People actually also believe Earth was covered by 237 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: a solid dome called the firmament, which is you term 238 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: me seeing the Bible a lot, right, like if you 239 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: got high enough into the heavens, you would eventually hit 240 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: just yeah, it's almost like a glass ceiling of sorts 241 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: the way it's described. Sometimes I see it as a 242 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: snow globe almost just above. There's a picture on the 243 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: House Stuff Works website that kind of gives you a 244 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: great idea, and that is on the article how creationism works. 245 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: And it's just it's a cool illustration of the concept 246 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: of yeah, exactly. And most of China pretty much accepted 247 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: the idea of a flat earth until apparently meeting missionaries 248 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: in the seventeenth century, who are like, guys, we're gonna 249 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: blow your minds and double checked with myself. Just just 250 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: wanted to put this out there. The Bible does mention 251 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: the firmament seventeen times, but it actually is referring to 252 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: a expanse beyond the sky, So the expanse of the 253 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: heaven above the earth. Okay, they almost wore a little 254 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: head of the curve. Yeah, if you think about it. 255 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: And we'll find out more about that too. So there 256 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: are some myths we need to bust about belief in 257 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: the flat earth in the ancient world. Okay, we'll talk 258 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: about where this argument for a spherical world came from. 259 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: But first one of us that one of the biggest myths. 260 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, If you were already listening to the show, 261 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: then we imagine that you know this is a fact. 262 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: But just in case you are still in a situation 263 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: where your history teachers are misleading you, probably with the 264 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: best of intentions, let's let's get it out of the 265 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: way now. Crystal ball Cologne Street named Christopher Columbus was 266 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: a gigantic jerk. As a monster, he was like, uh, 267 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: the noid, if the noid was a genocidal slaver. That's 268 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: a deep cut, my friend, that's a deep cut. Yeah, 269 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: I was just I was thinking about the noise. Remember 270 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: the video game was Second Genesis. I played it on 271 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: a different console. Thennoid was big dominoes. Look up Nooid. 272 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: Maybe a better thing would be she was the Martin 273 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: Scully of his day. Is that better? Okay? But despite 274 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: all the terrible things he did, all the just monstrous 275 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: atrocities he committed or helped commit, he was not a 276 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: stupid man. He was not like the dullest crayon in 277 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: the box. He, like most of the people at the time, 278 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: knew the Earth was round. It was common knowledge. He 279 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: did not prove it. He uh. But if anything, the 280 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: big argument was about how big or small the Earth was, 281 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: It was not about the shape. Sure seems to me 282 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: if anyone was going to know first that the Earth 283 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: was round, it would be somebody in the nautical profession, 284 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: you know, like like a captain and someone that spends 285 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: time out on the sea right where you could see 286 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: the actual curvature. Also was a big thing, A big 287 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: superstition among um seafaring types was that you would reach 288 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: the end of the Earth right and they fall off, 289 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: and that they were like there be monsters, kind of incognita. 290 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: It's true, but so why did this myth come about? 291 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: Where As a guy named James Hannum who wrote piece 292 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: called science versus Christianity, and we have a quote for 293 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: you directly from him. The myth that people in the 294 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: Middle Ages thought the Earth is flat appears to date 295 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: from the seventeenth century as part of the campaign by 296 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: Protestants against Catholic teaching, but it gained currency in the 297 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: nineteenth century thanks to inaccurate history such as John William 298 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: Draper's History of the Conflict between Religion and Science in 299 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: eighteen seventy four and Andrew Dixon whites a History of 300 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: the Warfare of Science with Theology and Christendom in eighteen 301 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: ninety six. Atheists and agnostics championed the conflict thesis of 302 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: their own purposes, but history racal research gradually demonstrated that 303 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: Draper and White had propagated more fantasy than fact in 304 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: their efforts to prove that science and religion are locked 305 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: in internal conflict. The myth that people in the Middle 306 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: Ages thought the Earth was flat appears to date from 307 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: the seventeenth century, as part of the campaign by Protestants 308 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: against Catholic teaching, but it gained currency in the nineteenth 309 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: century thanks to inaccurate history such as John William Draper's 310 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: History of the Conflict between Religion and Science and Andrew 311 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: Dixon White's A History of the Warfare of Science with 312 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: Theology in Christendom. Atheist and agnostics championed the conflict thesis 313 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: for their own purposes, but historical research gradually demonstrated that 314 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: Draper and White had propagated more fantasy than fiction in 315 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: their efforts to prove that science and religion are locked 316 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: in eternal conflict. So essentially, what happened here The reason 317 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: that we have this longstanding stereotype about people in the 318 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: ancient world is because two guys with an agenda popularize 319 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: something to make it look as though science and faith 320 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: are always at loggerheads. And you know, if you go 321 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: back even further, it was a religious insult that the 322 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: Protestants channeled against the Catholics. So let's talk about the truth. 323 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: The concept of a round Earth dates all the way 324 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: back to at least Pythagoras and Aristotle, so you could 325 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: argue that in the eighth century BC, the biblical writer 326 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: Isaiah alluded to a spherical Earth. In Isaiah quote, he 327 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: sits enthroned upon the circle of the Earth. Then in 328 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: the third century BC, Hellenistic astronomy established without a doubt, 329 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: factual proof of Earth's spherical shape. So this comes to 330 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: us from astronomy. And we had talked about whether this 331 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: came from people in a nautical profession. But keeping my 332 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,959 Speaker 1: at this point in time, astronomers and those in maritime 333 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: occupations were were intertwined in terms of skill sets. Absolutely, 334 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: I mean astronomy or rather the nautical mapping and you know, 335 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: making the charts is essentially functional astronomy. I mean it's 336 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: using the stars to you know, plot your course. Did 337 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: you guys know that? Did you hear the NPR story 338 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: about this recently where the Navy is going back to teaching, uh, 339 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: teaching the students like where I'm actually well we'll talk 340 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,479 Speaker 1: about that later, but they're teaching people how to use 341 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: the stars and navigate again. Right, Yeah, Then that's a 342 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 1: that's a valuable skill once once you know it, you 343 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 1: can keep an eye on it. Because it's true that 344 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: constellations do change over time, but the scale of that 345 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 1: change is so vast in comparison to you know, human 346 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: lives that you can pretty much count on these as 347 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,959 Speaker 1: a fixed point. I think it's great. I think they 348 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: never should have stopped teaching. Right from there, the belief 349 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: and around Earth's spread gradually throughout the world. People knew, yeah, 350 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: but Ben, is it really a sphere? Yeah? I guess 351 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: you're right. I guess it's better to call it an ellipsoid. 352 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: But still we knew, yeah, it's kind of squashed, right, Yeah, 353 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: so case closed? Right? Or is it? Here's where it 354 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: gets crazy, the flat earth theory. Okay, yes, we said 355 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: earlier Mesopotamian cultures believed that Earth was a disk. We 356 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: have had as a species, so many different shapes for Earth. 357 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: But obviously, if you're standing in one spot, you see 358 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: a mountain, you see an ocean. What's that old poem? 359 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: I looked around from where I stood and saw three 360 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: mountains and a wood. Um, it's a great poem. But 361 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: the the ideas that we were limited for a long 362 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: time because the signs that could prove to us the 363 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: position of the Sun and the and the moon and 364 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: Earth and the shape of those things were difficult to interpret. 365 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: So of course we thought it was flat for a while. 366 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: But well, let alone, what is the sun? What is 367 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: the moon? You know? What are what are these things 368 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: made of? What am I seeing far out there? We 369 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: know that something is there? But what is it? Is 370 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: it angry at me? I mean, that's the kind of 371 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: world people lived in. So gradually as the at least 372 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: in the West, the Hellenistic realization of earth as a 373 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: ellipsoid spread across the world. Some people even today apparently 374 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: didn't buy it. And he said, that's a bunch of 375 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: horse wash, uh, And so so let's look at some 376 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: of the modern day stuff. In ninety six, Samuel Shelton 377 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: founded a society that had a theory about the shape 378 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: of the Earth, namely, it's flat. We're a pancake. Yeah. Yeah, 379 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: And and he based these ideas just on walking around 380 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: observing things and going, hey, al right, well everything's looking 381 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: pretty flat around here. Common sense, yeah, personal observation. Yeah, 382 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: there's a tetic method, the idea that we can only 383 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: encounter things through our own senses. Yes, my, my, this 384 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: one uh, focal point of consciousness understands it in this way. 385 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: And he called scientific evidence for a globe shaped earth dogmatic. 386 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: So he said scientists were making this claim without adequate evidence. 387 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: Basically they were following a party line, right, Which is 388 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: very interesting right when it when you're thinking about some 389 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: of these criticisms that came from the religious angles back 390 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: when the Protestants were criticizing Catholic beliefs, it's just interesting 391 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: to then throw it right onto science. But this was 392 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: also a nineteen like this nineteen fifty six, So keep 393 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: in mind, Shelton lived long enough to see pictures of 394 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: Earth taken by satellites and what do you do then, Well, 395 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: of course he claimed that they were fake. I mean, 396 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: of course they were fake. Right, He and the members 397 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: of a Society continue to support the idea that Earth 398 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: is flat, and the people who disagreed are just part 399 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: of a vast conspiracy to hide the truth about Earth's 400 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: inherent flatness. Right, everybody's in the pockets a big globe manufacturers. 401 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: Uh So, Shelton passed away in nine A guy named 402 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: Charles Johnson took over leadership and led the society until 403 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: two thousand and one. Critics of the Flatter Society say 404 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: that it's members just deny any evidence that conflicts with 405 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: their worldview, and they, you know, members who are in 406 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: the Flatter Society and genuinely believe this would probably say 407 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: the same thing about their opponents. That's how these kind 408 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: of arguments typically go. It sounds like a bunch of 409 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: contrarians if you ask me, yes, yeah, I mean who 410 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: who isn't? Wait? Did you guys just both agree? Uh uh? 411 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: And by the way, right now, a gentleman named Daniel 412 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: Enton is running the Flat Earth Society. He brought it 413 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: back up in two thousand nine. And if you go 414 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 1: to the Flat Earth Society dot org you can find 415 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: the forums that are active there. I think in the 416 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,959 Speaker 1: the Guardian article that I read there he said there 417 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: were only there are only a few active members. They 418 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: are non ironic, and I you know, in this case, 419 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: of course, I'm not gonna cast dispersion on someone for 420 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: their personal beliefs. You know what I mean. You believe 421 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: what you want. No one should control your mind. However, 422 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: he goes all the way back to ancient Greeks, and 423 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: even that's a little um western centric, because the odds 424 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: are that there were other ancient civilizations that figured this 425 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: out before the Greeks. Just it's possible, and it's possible 426 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: that we wouldn't know because there's a dearth of evidence. 427 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: But they learned by measuring shadows, and that's that's what 428 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: led them say, oh, the planet's surface must be curved. 429 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: And and the astronomers, as Noel mentioned, figured out the 430 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: world was round. And then we have to look at 431 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: the idea of creationism. Listeners, if you are creationists, that 432 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 1: is your belief system, and you subscribe to that, then 433 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: of course I'm not going to um. As I said, 434 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: I'm not going to cast dispersion on someone's personal faith, 435 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: but I'm willing to wage your odds are that if 436 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: you're listening to this show right now or any podcast, 437 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: you also know that the Earth is round modern um. Well, okay, 438 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: so back when the idea of a flat earth was 439 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: more common, when most people in the West where some 440 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: form of creationists, uh, they believed that the Earth was flat, 441 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: it was a mobile and it was at the very 442 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: center of the universe. It was the bull's eye on 443 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: the great cosmic dartboard, and it was covered by the 444 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: solid dome like sky. And and this goes to that 445 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: firmament that Noel mentioned earlier, and you see it mentioned 446 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: in Genesis. Uh, the sun, stars and moon or embedded 447 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: in this dome. But that turns out not to be 448 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: the case. We've actually sent somebody. We've actually sent some 449 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: nifty robots and rockets out into space. We've had people 450 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: in orbit who have had life changing experiences by looking 451 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: at the Earth all at once, allegedly allegedly, do you 452 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: know any astronauts? Well, it's so funny to me that 453 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: that point of logic, and it goes back to how 454 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: we were discussing. If you can if you can argue 455 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: something well enough, then perhaps you can be right even 456 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: if you are completely wrong. You can win the argument 457 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: whether you are the substance of your argument. Isn't that 458 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: the whole point of debate? Like the debate Club? I mean, 459 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: aren't there exercises where you just take on a completely 460 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: absurd position and your job is to just defended victorious. 461 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: If I could have a rebuttal. Another interesting thing to 462 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: know about the beliefs of how the flat Earth would 463 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: function physically is how gravity would work in this scenario. 464 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: So I I never really understood it until we began 465 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: researching again. And so the idea on this flat plane 466 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: as it's moving upwards, so the idea on this flat 467 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: plane is that there is no gravity per se, because 468 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: there's not one central location as there would be on 469 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: a spherical or a planet shaped the way that Earth 470 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: is shaped, where it's pulling everything in and spinning to 471 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: hold everything to the surface. In this scenario, the flat 472 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: plane is moving upwards at a speed that would when 473 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: you jump up in the air and you come back down. 474 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: The reason that that's happening is because the Earth is 475 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: coming up to meet you essentially, which is interesting. The 476 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: Earth is moving and you are not, so it's a 477 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: force of acceleration. Yes, I see. And and then we've 478 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: we've seen other computing beliefs. I guess we should talk 479 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: a little bit about the different cons ups of the 480 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: outlay or the geography of the flat Earth. Right, how 481 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: the there's the common belief that the north poles at 482 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: the very center, which of Earth is at the very 483 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,239 Speaker 1: center of the universe, makes the North pole place the 484 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: most important place. And then it's uh, it's ringed around. 485 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: The edges of the world are ringed around by what 486 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: we mistake as the South Pole, and it's really a 487 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: wall of ice. And our colleague Christian Seger wrote a 488 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: great piece and now about this where he said, picture 489 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: picture the wall from the night's watch, but just lit out. 490 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: You know, trolls, monsters, they're called white walkers. Oh, yes, yes, yes, 491 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: there is a map that you can find of the 492 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: way the Earth looks in the flat Earth view, and 493 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: that if you superimpose that map in particular with the 494 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: U N map, it is pretty much the same thing. 495 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: But when if you look at it, it's just a 496 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: version of a projection from the top down, from the 497 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: North pole down. Now, we also found uh, we also 498 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: learned about a group of people called geocentrists who believe 499 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: that Earth may not be flat, but it's definitely the 500 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: center of everything, and it is immobile, and that the 501 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: Sun rotates around the Earth in twenty four hour periods, 502 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: and all other planets rotate around the Sun. It's a 503 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: it's a complex thing. Um. This is this is also 504 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: generally a religious based belief. Uh. They're the people, I 505 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: guess you would call radical geocentrist, Uh, refer to a 506 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: religious text alone and reject all modern astronomy, physics, and cosmology. Um. 507 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: And also some believe that the sky is still a 508 00:31:54,080 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: solid dome. Yeah, which takes us to modern believers. Listeners. 509 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: We received so many, so many questions on YouTube, on Facebook, 510 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: on Twitter, where conspiracy stuff at all of those? By 511 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: the way, if you want to, uh, you wanna give 512 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: us a little bit of Internet love, like comments, subscribe, etcetera. 513 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: We'd love to hear from you. We read a lot 514 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: from B O B A Tila Tequila. Who are the 515 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: reason this became a mainstream thing? Again? Well, the whole 516 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: thing kind of started when a MS Tequila angel Tila 517 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: love is her Twitter handle, She said, it's and nobody 518 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: has been able to prove to me that the Earth 519 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: is around. Where's the curvature in the horizon? Hashtag flat earth? 520 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: Proved me wrong? Dang it? And this continued, said not 521 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: gonna get over this. Why are all the buildings in 522 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: New York standing straight up? If Earth was round, some 523 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: of the buildings would have a slight tilt. Uh. And 524 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: then if Earth is a spinning globe, how come airplanes 525 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: can still land without crashing because the face of the 526 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: Earth is flat, not a globe. And yeah, I I 527 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: don't you know, I know it's it's such a safe 528 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:18,719 Speaker 1: pitchforky thing for people to uh dogpile on someone. But 529 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: how sincere is this? I wonder if you have been 530 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: following Tia Tequila at all. She has been She's been 531 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: going down this interesting little I let's call it a 532 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: rabbit hole of looking into some of the things that 533 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: we have looked into in the past and covered and discussed, 534 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: um that seemingly internalizing them quite a bit per perhaps 535 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: I know that she. I can't speak for her, but 536 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: she seems to be very um invested in believing some 537 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: of these things and taking them at face value. And 538 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: there's another player in the game, another celebrity who mentioned this, 539 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: who is an MC that I have quite a high 540 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: opinion of the rapper b o B. Yes, yes, and 541 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: you have actually a verse on that, right or a 542 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: verse from that. No, it's not a bo b ver 543 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: so I had mentioned. There's a there's a group I 544 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: really enjoy from Chicago called the Anti Pop Consortium and 545 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: they have a line that's your world is flat. Haha. 546 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: You fell off hoping that the laws of gravity will 547 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: bring you back to Earth. If not, okay, your words 548 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: fall lighter than air, so float away and disappear into 549 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: a black hole sun Ah. So someone falls off the 550 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: edge of the planet and into a black hole. That's 551 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: that's terrible. That's a black hole disturbingly close to Earth, 552 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: ardless of what shape it is. Well, okay, so Bob 553 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: began also um tweeting about a flat Earth. What what 554 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: kind of stuff was he saying? Uh, there was a 555 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: picture that he posted and I don't know exactly where 556 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: it is. I'm assuming it's in Atlanta. I can't that. 557 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I thought that's what it might be, but 558 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: I wasn't sure. But someone standing out top of the 559 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,720 Speaker 1: mountain and then way in the distance you can see 560 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: I guess this said like a city, which would presumably 561 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: be Atlanta or another small, uh suburb somewhere in there, 562 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: and it says the city is in the background, are 563 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: approximately sixteen miles apart. Where's the curve? Please explain this? In? 564 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: My favorite response was I don't think he was legit 565 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: saying the Earth is flat. He's been on planes. I 566 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: think he was just asking, and so responded Tom foolery. 567 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,720 Speaker 1: Even in a plane, you can't see a curve. That's true, 568 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: but it's like, what's the what's the deal, Ben, give 569 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: us the skinny? Uh, so there is. It's it's in 570 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: some ways a matter of perception again, sort of that 571 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: zetetic method that that says, well, who made this map, 572 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: who made this globe? Who is telling me what to believed? 573 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: And on a personal level, I identify with that kind 574 00:35:53,320 --> 00:36:00,280 Speaker 1: of instinct wholeheartedly. However, the problem is that the science 575 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 1: is fairly conclusive, and by fairly I am woefully understating it. Uh. 576 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: Neil deGrasse Tyson, the famous science science communicator I guess 577 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: would be the technical term or science popularizer, UH, went 578 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: on national television recently to UH speak about this. He 579 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: also had a Twitter conversation with b O b about it. 580 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: He did something of a virtual mic drop. I heard 581 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: about that in a real one on the nightly show. Right, 582 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: so it became it became a matter of public debate. 583 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: But a question posed in the video here, that's that's 584 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: the state of affairs right now, folks. A question posed 585 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,720 Speaker 1: in the video coming out next week. UH really stuck 586 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,280 Speaker 1: with me and I'm still wondering, because, yes, is this genuine? 587 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,280 Speaker 1: Is it? A market employee? Bob was also talking about 588 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 1: clone factories, which I think is an order of magnitude 589 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: more plausible um that people could For me, it's certainly 590 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: more fascinating imagining organs YEA or clone. You know, the 591 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: parts of the body we need. But this there's a 592 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: third question here and that's the one that really bothers 593 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: me and listeners. Um, when we asked this question. We 594 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: really want to hear from you on this, and I 595 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 1: want to hear what you guys think to know, Matt, 596 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: is this a distraction move? What? What's not being paid 597 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: attention to? I bring up my roommate Frank a lot um, 598 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: and he tends to think that most public figures that 599 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 1: say things like this, like let's say Kanye West for example, 600 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: you know, tweeting that Cosby is innocent, whatever your opinions are, 601 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: that it's not a very popular thing to say in 602 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 1: all caps with no qualifying comments. Um, you know, saying 603 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: Donald Trump some of the inflammatory things that he says. Uh. 604 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: Someone like Frank, my skeptical roommate, would say that all 605 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: of these people are playing on um public outrage um, 606 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: and they are doing what you call garnering earned media, 607 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: because you know, when you say something outlandish like that 608 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,959 Speaker 1: that's very divisive, you know, people are going to chime 609 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 1: in on one side or the other, and then those 610 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: people are gonna go at each other, you know, and 611 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: it just generates this whole domino effect where you generate 612 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: this media, you know storm, shall we say, and then 613 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: all of a sudden we're in a room talking about it, right, 614 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,280 Speaker 1: or tweeting about it, or looking at comments or reading 615 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: things on BuzzFeed. And you know, I would never comment 616 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 1: on any of that stuff, but I sure as hell 617 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 1: read the comments a lot there, entertaining stuff or chiming 618 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: in with, you know, an opinion that that other people 619 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: are also either reinforcing and supporting. It becomes an echo chamber. 620 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: But again, the thing I ask is, you know know 621 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: that sounds like we're coming on your end, We're coming 622 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: down on the side of UM marketing employ Well what 623 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: I what I didn't get to yet and where Frank 624 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: and I sometimes differ is I think sometimes a combination 625 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: of both UM Like, I think that there is a 626 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 1: certain point where you can take a belief, take an opinion, 627 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: and kind of balloon it into Okay, I'm gonna really 628 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: like ride this crazy training all the way to Valhalla. 629 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: You know, witnessed me, du witnessed me on my Twitter 630 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: meltdown shining and Chrome. Yeah, that's that's in the Chrome browser, 631 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 1: in the chromes. I would positive that this is a 632 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: reaction to a blurring line between what we perceive as 633 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: reality and what is possible to create with computers. And 634 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: by that I mean I mean photoshopping is so advanced now, 635 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 1: video effects are so advanced. When you are handed a 636 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: piece of evidence, physical evidence that is digital, I think 637 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 1: it is not only right to be skept coal of 638 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: whatever you've just been handed, um, but not necessarily to 639 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: the point of completely disbelieving everything. Then seem like a 640 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: particularly functional conspiracy though, Like if the government and scientists 641 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: are going out of their way, above and beyond to 642 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: fake all this data to what, to what end? That's 643 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: the most important question. Well, I'm glad you asked it. 644 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: That's the most important question. That's the part I can't care. 645 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: If the Earth was flat, Let it be flat. We'd 646 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: we'd figure we'd figure out how to make it work. Right, 647 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: The vast majority of people are not going to it's 648 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: it's not going to matter to the day to day 649 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: life of the vast majority of people whether the Earth 650 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: is round or flat. Let's face it, the majority of 651 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,800 Speaker 1: humanity is not going to attempt to circumnavigate the globe. 652 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: The majority of humanity will never be in danger of saying, 653 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: oh crap, the ancient Mesopotamian cultures were right, and I 654 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: learned too late. Now here I am leding off into 655 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: the universe. So how would someone cover this up? That's 656 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,439 Speaker 1: a big question. How would you be able to keep 657 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: this secret so effectively considering that nations are almost constantly 658 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 1: a war, and then and you know, not really representing 659 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: each other's interests. And then, more importantly ten dollar questions 660 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: asked today, why why would you do this? You know, 661 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,919 Speaker 1: for frenzies. Okay, because it's you know, it's just sort 662 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 1: of interesting to have secrets. I could just think of 663 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: better things to keep people in the dark about, and 664 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,399 Speaker 1: this is just not one of them. Don't get me wrong. 665 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: There there there are quite a few. There are quite 666 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 1: a few strange um things about the way the world 667 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: is depicted. You know, no one, no one ever really 668 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: questions in the US why the maps and the globes 669 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: are oriented toward um with with the US dead center 670 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: right and on top of the thing. We call it 671 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 1: South America or something, when we know that there's no 672 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: up and down in space. So it really makes no 673 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: difference to an alien civilization or to anyone outside of 674 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: this planet. Which continent is on top. But it's psychologically 675 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: that's an important thing, you know. You know what My 676 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: favorite depiction of a flat earth comes from let you 677 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: know it, uh, from Terry Pratchett's Discworld. It's depicted as 678 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 1: a disc um perched atop the backs of Is it 679 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: two elephants? Is there a third one that I'm not seeing? 680 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 1: It's either two or three. It would make more sense 681 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,400 Speaker 1: that it would be three because you got to, you know, 682 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: kind of making a star shape and there it has 683 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 1: let's be logically exactly, And then those elephants are standing 684 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 1: on the shell of a giant tortoise and all of 685 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 1: this whole array is floating in space, which is awesome. 686 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 1: I love it. It's just it's a fabulous image. Um. 687 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: So that's yeah, that's that's what I think. That's what 688 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,280 Speaker 1: this This makes me think of other conspiratorial things regarding maps. 689 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,399 Speaker 1: One thing that may interest you if you haven't checked 690 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 1: it out yet, listeners, please spend some quality time with 691 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: Google Maps, because Google Maps plays nice with all the 692 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: countries of the world that it can if you ask 693 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 1: them to hide a specific site, secret city, something like that. 694 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 1: And yes, there's still quite a few of those uh, 695 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: then Google will block it out for you as best 696 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 1: they can. But Google also shows different borders for countries 697 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: depending upon the origin point of the search, So you 698 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:35,280 Speaker 1: know there are massive ongoing uh border skirmishes as people 699 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 1: say no, we own this, no I own this, etcetera. 700 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 1: And Google is actively participating in something very much like 701 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,239 Speaker 1: a multi national conspiracy. But also you know they don't. 702 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: It seems like the most efficacious way to avoid getting 703 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,719 Speaker 1: in trouble with the government is just tell both of 704 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,320 Speaker 1: them that they're right. That that is. That's some of 705 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: the stuff that this leads me to think about what 706 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,840 Speaker 1: today we've done our flat Earth update. We'd love to 707 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: hear from you guys. Do you mind if I wrap 708 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 1: up this discussion with a quote? I would love that. 709 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: So this is from a song by the much underappreciated 710 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: artist Thomas Dolby, and it's from his album The Flat Earth, 711 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: which I recommend highly So I've been listening to it 712 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: a lot lately, and it's from the title track hold 713 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,240 Speaker 1: Me Baby. The Earth can be any shape you wanted, 714 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 1: Love me, Darling, Believe me, Darling, any shape at all. 715 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: Hold me Baby, dark and cold or bright and warm. 716 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 1: Love me Darling, long or thin or small, Believe me, Darling, 717 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:54,000 Speaker 1: but it's home home. Maybe hold me, baby and all 718 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,320 Speaker 1: I ever had? Love me, Darling, And maybe why for 719 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 1: me the leave me? Darling? The earth is flat? Interesting. 720 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 1: I give a moment of silence out of respect. We 721 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: have a couple of special announcements before we go. First, 722 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 1: we would like you to check out our our upcoming 723 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,319 Speaker 1: guest host. We're gonna have a personal friend of mine 724 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: that we have mentioned before, Damien Williams. Uh. You can 725 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,320 Speaker 1: find him on Twitter. He's at Wolven. He will be 726 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: joining Nolan I for an episode on alchemy and an 727 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: episode on technology and the occult cult cult Cult Cult 728 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,400 Speaker 1: Cult Cult Cult. But you're wondering, hey Ben, why didn't 729 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: you mention Matt. Well, Matt, you're out a mission. Yes, 730 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 1: I'm on a completely disclosed mission to Charleston, South Carolina, 731 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,839 Speaker 1: or around about that area because I'm gonna head over 732 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,080 Speaker 1: to the to the Naval Nuclear Power Training Command. I'm 733 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,839 Speaker 1: calling it a campus because I don't know the correct terminology. 734 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,760 Speaker 1: It is a base, but they there is a campus 735 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: within the base there. But I'm going to go and 736 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 1: support my brother in law, who is I guess graduating 737 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,960 Speaker 1: up to the next level. Again, I don't know the terminology. 738 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,759 Speaker 1: It's not an accommodation or anything. He's just moving up 739 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: the ranks in uh in the school. So I guess 740 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,279 Speaker 1: it's a graduation. Is it like getting a yellow belt. 741 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,799 Speaker 1: I think it's a little more significant than that, but yes, 742 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 1: kind of yellow belts a big deal. I remember when 743 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,520 Speaker 1: I got my yellow belt. It was okay, I never 744 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:32,759 Speaker 1: got the yellow nice humble bag. But yeah, it's very cool. 745 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 1: So what I'm going to attempt to do on Friday 746 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,360 Speaker 1: is broadcast live if you know, if it's not against 747 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: too many protocols or if the signal strength is strong enough. 748 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 1: Uh So, hopefully that will be interesting in some way 749 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 1: because it's a it's a neat place. It's a place 750 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,480 Speaker 1: where a lot of people go who end up working 751 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,200 Speaker 1: in the nuclear sector in the US. I think you 752 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,880 Speaker 1: mean nuclear, Yes, in the nuclear uh power energy sector. 753 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: So uh stay tuned for that. And Matt, I'm sure 754 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 1: the rest of the listeners joining Noel and I am 755 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,319 Speaker 1: wishing you the best of luck. And don't push it, man, 756 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,600 Speaker 1: don't don't get don't get jammed up. We will see 757 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,839 Speaker 1: what happens, al right, So we're gonna get out of here. 758 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,719 Speaker 1: Riddle me this. Where can everybody find all of our 759 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:29,480 Speaker 1: audio podcast? Well, um, you can find them on iTunes. 760 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,960 Speaker 1: And if you get them on iTunes, you guys, leave 761 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 1: a nice leave a review, you know, leave us a 762 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,479 Speaker 1: little review, a couple of stars, not not a couple? 763 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,799 Speaker 1: Do three at least, you know, four would be great, 764 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,239 Speaker 1: and write something, you know, because it really helps get 765 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 1: the podcast out where people can see it. You know, 766 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,080 Speaker 1: the more reviews there are, the more the algorithm kind 767 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,799 Speaker 1: of pushes the show out to folks that maybe haven't 768 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,440 Speaker 1: discovered it yet. So that would be a great way 769 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 1: to help the show. If you don't, if ituns is 770 00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,800 Speaker 1: not your jam and you're more of a Stitcher, Spotify, 771 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,880 Speaker 1: Google Play. Um, is that all of them? There's are 772 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,680 Speaker 1: the ones that's coming out every day. But we're pretty 773 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,880 Speaker 1: much available on any platform that you can get podcast 774 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,200 Speaker 1: or you can go directly to our website. You can 775 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,480 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know dot com. What 776 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 1: can they find their Matt. You can find everything we've 777 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:20,400 Speaker 1: ever produced, y'alls, and it's good. Is everything, videos, podcasts, pictures, 778 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,200 Speaker 1: tasty cakes. Oh wait, no, no, you can't get tasty 779 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 1: cakes there. I'm sorry soon one day hope springs eternal. 780 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 1: That's correct, and if you don't want to do any 781 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,719 Speaker 1: of that stuff, guys, just shoot us an email. We 782 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:44,239 Speaker 1: are conspiracy at how stuff works dot com. From one 783 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 1: on this topic another unexplained phenomenon, visit YouTube dot com 784 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,920 Speaker 1: slash conspiracy. You can also get in touch on Twitter 785 00:48:52,080 --> 00:49:02,440 Speaker 1: at the handle at conspiracy stuff and me