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Speaker 2: The Dodgers have opened their season in Japan against the Cubs,
Speaker 2: and it counts. So they're going to play a couple
Speaker 2: of games there and then they come back and then
Speaker 2: they resume spring training. Do I want us exporting opening day?
Speaker 2: I don't. I understand. It's business, certainly with the Dodgers
Speaker 2: and the number of players from you know, whether it's Korea,
Speaker 2: whether it's Japan. I get it. I understand it. I
Speaker 2: don't like it, but I understand it. It's business. Uh
Speaker 2: ten years ago, five years ago, I remember the Yankees
Speaker 2: went over there, Like I just you know, how about
Speaker 2: we think of the players you're in spring training, totally chill. Now,
Speaker 2: let's go to Japan, play a couple of games, they count,
Speaker 2: and then let's come back and then let's chill again.
Speaker 2: Tough to manage your staff you're pitching, and you know,
Speaker 2: once again, I know, it's business, and it's the Dodgers,
Speaker 2: they're pipeline with all the players. I understand all of it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if the fans in Japan would be
Speaker 2: that upset that if you said we're going to play
Speaker 2: two spring training games over there, are they going to
Speaker 2: be upset? I think just having Shoheutani over there some
Speaker 2: of the other players who are from Japan, that would
Speaker 2: be enough. We don't need to have opening Day over there.
Speaker 2: Have Opening Day here. You can have kind of a
Speaker 2: faux opening day. You can have an opening day. How
Speaker 2: about opening Day there? You go, yeah, it's a fake
Speaker 2: opening day, Opening day, and you play a couple of games.
Speaker 2: You have all the pomp and circumstance and the pageantry,
Speaker 2: and then you come back and then you resume spring training.
Speaker 2: Everybody benefits. But you know, I know, we're trying to
Speaker 2: grow the business there and the Dodgers have done a
Speaker 2: wonderful job and Japan is a great market. The Dodgers
Speaker 2: game with the Cubs is over, Paulie, do you have
Speaker 2: of a review of what happened?
Speaker 3: Well, ear muffet in case you taped it for later,
Speaker 3: because if it's Los Angeles, you had to be real
Speaker 3: real early or really really late. The Dodgers won four
Speaker 3: to one over the Cubs. Otani two for five, great start, Yamamoto.
Speaker 3: Uh the Dodgers pitcher one hitter, five innings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, huh. Okay, So they got one more game over there,
Speaker 2: and then they come back home and then they resume
Speaker 2: spring training again and then they wait for their decks
Speaker 2: their second opening day for both of these teams. All right,
Speaker 2: get off my lawn. I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: All right, the NC DOUBLEA, the first four, get ready.
Speaker 2: You don't have to fill out your brackets. You have
Speaker 2: to be in for our bracket challenge by Wednesday. End
Speaker 2: of business, what is it? Seating? End of day? Is
Speaker 2: that what we were doing?
Speaker 4: You could do cob, you could do, EOD you could
Speaker 4: do yeah. Okay, there's a million of them all right.
Speaker 4: End of day, close a business.
Speaker 2: Saint Francis of Pennsylvania against Alabama State eos.
Speaker 4: End of show.
Speaker 2: Ok Is there a team in the tournament who has
Speaker 2: more of a must win situation than North Carolina does? Today?
Speaker 2: North Carolina against San Diego State because the fallout from
Speaker 2: selection Sunday. How could they do this? North Carolina? Oh
Speaker 2: my gosh. The head of the selection committee, the athletic
Speaker 2: director at North Carolina, he got a bonus for North
Speaker 2: Carolina being in the tournament one hundred thousand dollars. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't think you jeopardize your job, but I like cow.
Speaker 2: They go, hey, Bubba, we're going to talk about Carolina.
Speaker 2: You have to leave the room. Now, what about all
Speaker 2: the other times when all these people are together, maybe
Speaker 2: for breakfast or lunch or dinner. Do they go, Bubba,
Speaker 2: you're going to have to leave dinner. We're talking about
Speaker 2: North Carolina. Yeah, but you were just talking about, you know,
Speaker 2: the Jordan team that beat George up. We're talking about
Speaker 2: North Carolina. Bubba, You're gonna have to leave the room.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to leave the restaurant. Silly. But North
Speaker 2: Carolina against San Diego State, now it becomes mussy TV.
Speaker 2: Now I'm curious about how North Carolina does against San
Speaker 2: Diego State. They should win, right, they're North Carolina. I
Speaker 2: don't know who's favored in this game. Maybe it's a
Speaker 2: Pickham that would be even better.
Speaker 5: Yes, Marvion, my model for March madness is bring your game,
Speaker 5: not your name.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, it matters if you're North Carolina.
Speaker 5: They're not all that good this year.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so bring your game, not your name.
Speaker 2: All right, sounds like a slogan.
Speaker 5: I like that.
Speaker 2: Uh So, North Carolina against San Diego State, the first four.
Speaker 2: Now the West Virginia governor, he's upset. I love when
Speaker 2: politicians pandered to their fan base. Patrick Morrissey, he's the
Speaker 2: governor of West Virginia, and he wants to investigate the
Speaker 2: North Carolina nc double A bid.
Speaker 6: Today I'm joined here with our attorney general. He's the
Speaker 6: chief legal officer for the state, and I've asked Attorney
Speaker 6: General McCuskey to launch an investigation into the NCAA tournament
Speaker 6: selection committee to determine if any backyard deals back room deals, corruption, bribes,
Speaker 6: or any nefarious activity occurred during the selection process. I
Speaker 6: know that the Attorney General and I are going to
Speaker 6: leave no stone unturned during this process. We need to
Speaker 6: get to the bottom of it. I think a lot
Speaker 6: of Americans count on the fact that there's transparency and
Speaker 6: that there's fairness when dealing with selection.
Speaker 7: Whether you're talking.
Speaker 6: About college football playoffs, remember what happened to Florida State
Speaker 6: a couple years ago, go or when it comes to
Speaker 6: March madness.
Speaker 2: Okay, he better get on this because North Carolina is
Speaker 2: playing tonight. So I don't think there's going to be
Speaker 2: an injunction where all of a sudden, they go, Tonight's
Speaker 2: game is being postponed due to an injunction by the
Speaker 2: West Virginia governor. He's got to pound the podium. If
Speaker 2: you really want to get my attention, you got to
Speaker 2: pound the podium.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's going after all those backyard deals. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and the back room backroom ones too. He is in
Speaker 4: West Virginia. We do backyard deals. Let's go take care
Speaker 4: of flaw state.
Speaker 2: Yeah. See that's where it's abbreviated on his piece of
Speaker 2: paper fla State. Remember that. Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know he sounds like me. It's like he thought, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'll just put f l a state. I'll remember it's
Speaker 2: Florida State, and he's got Flaw state. Today I'm joined
Speaker 2: And that was another problem.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he put a lot of thought
Speaker 4: into that before he started speaking, but it's kind of
Speaker 4: like he was like, hold on, or maybe forgot his glasses.
Speaker 2: Today I'm joint, joint.
Speaker 4: The processed here by Flaw State.
Speaker 2: Play it just the beginning there, Marvin.
Speaker 6: Today I'm joined.
Speaker 2: Here with Okay, I mean it starts very official today. Today, Today,
Speaker 2: I'm the luckiest, luckiest man on the face of the earth. Oh,
Speaker 2: we're going to get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 4: He's no Mayor Menino, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: I like that he's going to find out. You know,
Speaker 2: if you're going to go after the NCAA governor, I'd
Speaker 2: go after a lot of other things more than West
Speaker 2: Virginia got snubbed. I'm gonna guess Indiana's governor is probably
Speaker 2: going to be upset and get involved in this. Boise
Speaker 2: State governor probably will get involved in then get all
Speaker 2: the governors in here of those who got job you know,
Speaker 2: damn it, We're the sixty ninth team and I'm not
Speaker 2: going to take it.
Speaker 3: Yes, and he used all the political terms, no stone unturned.
Speaker 3: I was expecting a Blue Risbon task force, you know,
Speaker 3: like anyone who when they do this, these politicians do.
Speaker 3: They have to know that this isn't real and they
Speaker 3: really can't stop the NCAA tournament. Yeah, So is it
Speaker 3: smart to play to your fan base that's also upset.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as long as you don't mind being
Speaker 2: ridiculed by all the other states. Sure, I mean you're
Speaker 2: standing up for a great injustice, not the fact that
Speaker 2: your team had thirteen losses. Yeah, I'd investigate that, but
Speaker 2: they look, there are other schools that had I guess
Speaker 2: a legitimate gripe. But I don't even know if you
Speaker 2: can say legitimate, because if you leave it into somebody
Speaker 2: else's hands, that is your fault. If you leave it
Speaker 2: it's open to interpretation, that is your fault. Should North
Speaker 2: Carolina be in the tournament? No, North Carolina should not.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that means West Virginia deserves to
Speaker 2: be in there. If Indiana wasn't firing their coach, would
Speaker 2: Indiana be in there? Like, you know, we can make
Speaker 2: some arguments here for other schools, but if you get
Speaker 2: to that point in the selection committees afternoon and you're
Speaker 2: gonna go, hey, we're like sixty eight, there's sixty seventh,
Speaker 2: or sixty ninth, there's seventy. I mean, it's on you.
Speaker 2: It's on you.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: This isn't like TCU when you have the final four
Speaker 2: teams playing for college football the playoffs, where you're like, nah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be on the outside. Look at we're gonna
Speaker 2: be fifth, not fourth. We're not getting it. Okay, that's different.
Speaker 2: This is the sixty eighth sixty ninth team. You left
Speaker 2: yourself vulnerable. You paid the price, so did some other schools.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this opens, you know, the gates
Speaker 2: for other governors. Like if you're a governor, you're the
Speaker 2: governor Indiana. Now do you feel like you have to
Speaker 2: say something here? The guy in West Virginia did. Why
Speaker 2: aren't we investigating the NC? The NC double A is
Speaker 2: right there in Indiana.
Speaker 3: Yes, I just saw the video of Governor Morrissey a
Speaker 3: West Virginia when he said this speech. He had a
Speaker 3: sign in front of him that was hastily made up
Speaker 3: that said National Corrupt Athletic Association right in front of him.
Speaker 2: That's such sense. Okay, all right, now, the NC DOUBLEA
Speaker 2: is corrupt. What are some of the other things the
Speaker 2: governor has gone after with the NC double A. I'm
Speaker 2: just curious because you could have done this a long
Speaker 2: long time ago, not just you got snubbed. But we'll see,
Speaker 2: we'll see if there's an injunction before tonight's game. I
Speaker 2: don't think there's going to be. But you have the
Speaker 2: first four coming up tonight. What's the poll question today,
Speaker 2: Seaton first Hour. Well, we got a few of them,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 4: I know you've been waiting to get to this topic
Speaker 4: because it's overwhelmingly the number one story of the day.
Speaker 4: Do you want to guess his name is?
Speaker 2: Jackson Dart. Oh, here he comes, here he goes. I
Speaker 2: warned you, Jackson Nord. He gets his own day. Mel
Speaker 2: kiper draft expert, is mock draft Jackson Dart top ten
Speaker 2: to the Saints top three. Perhaps I think he's really good.
Speaker 2: I do. I think he's he's athletic. He just he
Speaker 2: can play in the NFL. I believe great name too. No,
Speaker 2: he's throwing darts up there but yeah, Jackson Dart, uh
Speaker 2: ja X does he have two x's only one? Only
Speaker 2: one X J A X S O N D A
Speaker 2: R T all right, Jackson Dart former USC Trojan Jackson
Speaker 2: Dart at old Miss. Yes.
Speaker 4: But if his name was you know, Charles Troubles and
Speaker 4: not Jackson Dart, would you still be like this is
Speaker 4: a guy we could build around.
Speaker 2: Probably not.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 4: I I used to call Chris Chambliss Charles Troubles for
Speaker 4: some reason when I was a kid. The name has
Speaker 4: never left my head.
Speaker 2: Hopefully it leaves mine. But Jackson Dart top ten mel Kiper, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's always somebody who is sneaky moving, and always somebody
Speaker 2: who might be dropping a little bit. Jackson Dart hasn't
Speaker 2: really done anything since I don't know, December. Maybe you know, workout.
Speaker 2: He had a really good season. That's I'm always amazed,
Speaker 2: and you go, wait a minute, that guy didn't do
Speaker 2: anything unless it's a pro day or your combine.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: But it played well against Duke in the bowl game. Okay,
Speaker 2: But now all of a sudden, people are opening their
Speaker 2: eyes and this is what's going to happen. You're gonna
Speaker 2: get a lot of analysts who go, yep, I can
Speaker 2: see it now. If mel had him in the second round,
Speaker 2: then you know you I know, one Orlovsky I think
Speaker 2: was really big on Jackson dark and that was a
Speaker 2: while ago. That Orlovsky was all there. But this is
Speaker 2: where you just everybody doesn't want to be left in
Speaker 2: the dust here. Hey, I knew, I told you you
Speaker 2: know all this stuff. I remember my source said Michaeh
Speaker 2: Parsons is the best player in the draft, but he
Speaker 2: has baggage. Well can you say Michael Parsons was the
Speaker 2: best player in the draft. Who's the lineman for the
Speaker 2: Boltz out of Notre Dame Quentin Quentin Nelson. My source
Speaker 2: said he's the best ready to go player in the draft.
Speaker 2: You can make that case. So when my source tells
Speaker 2: me something, I tell you. So when he says, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, the Big ten is going to stop playing football,
Speaker 2: you know during COVID, that's from him. When he says
Speaker 2: the Browns are taking Baker Mayfield, that's from him. And
Speaker 2: when he tells me about certain players, I listen, and
Speaker 2: he's got a pretty good track record. But Jackson Dart
Speaker 2: is a good He's a good player. He really is
Speaker 2: and you played for Lane Kiffin and you know you
Speaker 2: played in the SEC. So do I think he can
Speaker 2: play in the NFL? Absolutely. I think he is not
Speaker 2: as athletic as cam Warden. I think he is more
Speaker 2: athletic than Shade or Sanders. But it's in the high
Speaker 2: of the beholder. Does he fit with what you're trying
Speaker 2: to do. That's the key. You've got to get the
Speaker 2: right quarterback for you, not a quarterback.
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Speaker 2: It was a month ago when Bill Kauer was on
Speaker 2: the program and he said that he expected the Steelers
Speaker 2: to have dialogue with Aaron Rodgers. Well, they probably had
Speaker 2: dialogue and we're still waiting for Aaron Rodgers. Coach joins
Speaker 2: us on the program. What do you think the Steelers
Speaker 2: are going to do? And what do you think the
Speaker 2: Steelers should do at quarterback?
Speaker 10: All right, Well, number one, I've done a very good
Speaker 10: job of keeping their playing their cards in house and
Speaker 10: not sharing a lot of the conversations that they've had.
Speaker 10: I'm sure when you think about it, Dan, So you know,
Speaker 10: I think right now there's really not a deadline. So
Speaker 10: I'm sure they're sitting back way and what their options are.
Speaker 10: I don't know exactly how much money has played into this,
Speaker 10: you know, I think they want justin fields is my speculation. Again,
Speaker 10: this is all speculation. I've talked to nobody within the building,
Speaker 10: but I think they wanted to go with a younger
Speaker 10: player to see if it can develop. I personally think
Speaker 10: that Russell Wilson is your best choice. It's the better
Speaker 10: it's going to be a better offensive line room with
Speaker 10: Fontano coming back and moving broader to left tackle. I
Speaker 10: think you're looking at the best receiving core you're going
Speaker 10: to have in a long time. In terms of they
Speaker 10: can keep George Pickens or not. They will be in
Speaker 10: the next conversation that you will have to have remand
Speaker 10: Wilson was a guy they're very common on. Last year,
Speaker 10: Kylevin Austin stepped up, so I think the offense and
Speaker 10: whole and I think, you know, with Arthur Smith in
Speaker 10: the second year in theory, should should take a step forward.
Speaker 10: So I think they're sitting back and again I think
Speaker 10: this is not I like a Pittsburgh way of doing things,
Speaker 10: of seeing what their options are, not feel impressed to
Speaker 10: make any decision based on the fact there's no deadline.
Speaker 2: But also, with Aaron at this age, how much how
Speaker 2: much should you found your age into this the way
Speaker 2: he plays the position?
Speaker 10: Well, I think the same is you factor Russell into it.
Speaker 10: I think that these are two players that who gives
Speaker 10: you the best chance to win this year, maybe next year,
Speaker 10: and then in the meantime bridge yourself to the next quarterback,
Speaker 10: whoever that may be. You know, I think back then
Speaker 10: to when we had Neil Donn who was a third
Speaker 10: round pick, and we ended up having Cordell Stewart who
Speaker 10: was a second round pick. You know, both those players,
Speaker 10: you know, as you sat there and you built your team,
Speaker 10: realize that you know that was a position that you
Speaker 10: know you had to have a consistent play from it.
Speaker 10: I think that's what they need to get. Is it
Speaker 10: going to be a guy that's a franchise quarterback? Not
Speaker 10: everybody has one, but I think the biggest thing you
Speaker 10: have to do is build around it and not just
Speaker 10: sit there and wait on one position to say that
Speaker 10: that's going to be the fate of your football team.
Speaker 7: You think got to the.
Speaker 10: Last five losses. This wasn't just on Russell Wilson. This
Speaker 10: was you know, you played two of the teams were
Speaker 10: in the Super Bowl, and then you lost three games
Speaker 10: to to division teams, two to Baltimore and went to Cincinnati,
Speaker 10: and those are very much playoff caliber teams. And you know,
Speaker 10: I think we look at all five of them. You
Speaker 10: played against five really good quarterbacks and the defense is
Speaker 10: not play up up to snuff, to be quite honest
Speaker 10: with you, and certainly the offense didn't contribute, didn't have
Speaker 10: your best players at the time. George Pickens was probably
Speaker 10: hurting at the end of the season, so you really
Speaker 10: a little handcuff from that position standpoint. But again I
Speaker 10: think you go back and as you sit back and reflect,
Speaker 10: I think you know, they had a chance to work
Speaker 10: with Justin, had a chance to work with Russell. You
Speaker 10: know who they are and they know the system as well.
Speaker 10: You lost Justin, Russell's still out there. You have a
Speaker 10: chance to get Aaron Rodgers and case still throw it. Yes,
Speaker 10: is he mobile enough? I think so? But does he
Speaker 10: really want to play? I mean, the longer you wait,
Speaker 10: you just have to wonder where is his heart and
Speaker 10: how much does he really want to do? And I said,
Speaker 10: you know, I just think when so he starts talking
Speaker 10: about retirement, they've already checked the box. So they've checked
Speaker 10: out to some degree. And you know, so how much
Speaker 10: is he modified to want to come here and be
Speaker 10: a part of trying to win a championship and then
Speaker 10: consequently consequently bridging a bridge to the next guy. And
Speaker 10: maybe that next guy's Mason Rudolph. And he's sitting there
Speaker 10: right there unerneath your nose. He played there before. Could
Speaker 10: he be a leader? Geno Smith? Could just be Sam
Speaker 10: Darnold who all of a sudden they blossom later in
Speaker 10: their careers. So I think there's a lot let that
Speaker 10: has to play out. I think signing Mason Rudolf made
Speaker 10: a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: If you were still coaching, would you reach out to
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think I would have reached out to him
Speaker 10: from the very beginning. I'm sure that they did.
Speaker 2: Again, Mike Tomlin reached out to him and just to
Speaker 2: gauge his interest.
Speaker 10: I don't think there's any any question about that. And
Speaker 10: I think, again, from Aaron's standpoint, he's a guy that
Speaker 10: thinks through a lot of these things.
Speaker 7: This is where he's in his career.
Speaker 10: I do not think that if he decided to go
Speaker 10: wherever he goes, he'll be all in. That's just the
Speaker 10: way he is. I do think that there's a degree.
Speaker 10: And I said this to you last time I was
Speaker 10: on the show. I don't think he liked the way
Speaker 10: he exited. And you look how he played last year.
Speaker 10: He played all seventeen games, determined to do so. But
Speaker 10: you know, the five wins, that's just not who he
Speaker 10: wants to go out as being a quarterback on that
Speaker 10: kind of team. So I think he's motivated to play,
Speaker 10: and I think at the same time, where does he
Speaker 10: want to play? But you know, those are conversations that
Speaker 10: you've got to be convinced that's where his heart is at.
Speaker 10: And I think that's the thing that you'd have to
Speaker 10: have is constant communication with him from that standpoint and
Speaker 10: where's wrestling this whole thing? So, I mean, you know
Speaker 10: that's the thing again, I go back to the same thing.
Speaker 10: You've worked with him for a year. A lot of
Speaker 10: good things were done, they weren't healthy at the end
Speaker 10: of the season. This is a much better receiving room.
Speaker 10: Corps DK Metcalf, you have a history with him. Again,
Speaker 10: the biggest question to me on that offensive side is
Speaker 10: what are you going to do with George Pickens? Is
Speaker 10: he going to be motivated to play in the last
Speaker 10: year of his contract? Are you going to extend him
Speaker 10: or is there going to be any degree of getting
Speaker 10: something for him from the standpoint of trade. So these
Speaker 10: are conversations that I think are having, but also there's
Speaker 10: no deadline to some of these conversations. The biggest deadline
Speaker 10: you're going to have right now is going to be
Speaker 10: the draft.
Speaker 2: Talking to Bill Cower, Hall of Famer, and now with
Speaker 2: the NFL today on CBS. When it comes to quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: I always think, you know, if I get together with you,
Speaker 2: I see your medicals and I do an interview with you,
Speaker 2: But I got to look at game tape, like game
Speaker 2: tape has to factor in, you know, a really high percentage.
Speaker 2: I think we get caught up in the combine, and
Speaker 2: we get caught up in pro days and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I don't know, did you fall in
Speaker 2: love with somebody at a pro day or the combine
Speaker 2: and going against maybe kind of that intuitiveness of that
Speaker 2: guy's my kind of football player.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think you those are metrics that you're looking
Speaker 10: at that you know, whether it's there's speed, there's size,
Speaker 10: there's athleticism. The quarterback position is their accuracy, the ability
Speaker 10: to have anticipation and throw with anticipation, the ability how
Speaker 10: much did you do in college and how much do
Speaker 10: you really how much did you run the offense or
Speaker 10: how much leeway did you have? Can you set protections,
Speaker 10: can you make audibles? These are things that to me,
Speaker 10: when you start to work with the guy, you find
Speaker 10: out what his strengths are and what is maybe his
Speaker 10: liabilities may be, and what you know, certain things that
Speaker 10: you just don't want to do with the guy asks
Speaker 10: me to do something he can't do. So I think
Speaker 10: it takes working with someone sometimes and again, you know,
Speaker 10: how much is the comfort level of that quarterback?
Speaker 7: I go back.
Speaker 10: I think the one thing I've been very much suppressed
Speaker 10: with is kind like Kevin O'Connell. I think he can
Speaker 10: take a quarterback, he can sit in a room with
Speaker 10: them and realize exactly how much he can get out.
Speaker 7: Of this player.
Speaker 10: Where is his player comfortable and that same that may
Speaker 10: be scaling something back, but also maybe an opportunity to
Speaker 10: open something up where they feel like, let me see it,
Speaker 10: let me spread this out and see it, and I
Speaker 10: can process things there. So how coret of that process
Speaker 10: is information, how you deliver the information, the leeway you
Speaker 10: give him. What's his strengths athleticism wise, what his strength
Speaker 10: reads wise, what's his better throws? Is he more accurate?
Speaker 10: Uncertain A and certain throws? So these are things that
Speaker 10: you have to work with someone on a regular basis
Speaker 10: and you get a better feel for what they can
Speaker 10: and more importantly what they can't do.
Speaker 2: Okay, but how much I don't know if you were
Speaker 2: skeptical with Ben Roethlisberger, Like what what was the big
Speaker 2: concern you had with Roethlisberger when you drafted him?
Speaker 10: Probably just the level of play. You know, I watched
Speaker 10: them play, you know, you know, play many big games.
Speaker 10: You know, you're playing in the back. I get it,
Speaker 10: and there's you know, it's not bad competition, but you
Speaker 10: know it's not the NFL, and you know, but when
Speaker 10: he did play those big games, he did play well.
Speaker 10: And so when we got him, I just, you know,
Speaker 10: I just didn't think it was fair to a young
Speaker 10: quarterback to throw them in there right away. Dan because
Speaker 10: the game is faster, you're processing things more, it's more complex,
Speaker 10: it's a new system. I just think you want to
Speaker 10: make sure that quarterback is comfortable, and that's your football
Speaker 10: team is comfortable with that quarterback, you know. So I
Speaker 10: didn't want to set our team back by putting someone
Speaker 10: who wasn't ready to go in there. And at the
Speaker 10: same time, do I stunt his growth and development as
Speaker 10: a quarterback. So I do think there's a lot to
Speaker 10: be said for not even starting up now. He came
Speaker 10: in in the third game of the season of his
Speaker 10: fookie year and started playing, But he didn't have that
Speaker 10: pressure in the preseason. He had that pressure in training camp.
Speaker 10: He was doing a lot of like one minute and
Speaker 10: two minutes, you know, no huddle quarterback I mean practices,
Speaker 10: and he was he was running in a no huddle
Speaker 10: and doing the one minutes. And he played in the
Speaker 10: preseason then limited time in the third and fourth quarter,
Speaker 10: maybe in a backup role. So the pressure of not
Speaker 10: being the week one starter was not on him, and
Speaker 10: so when he came in, you know, we kind of
Speaker 10: try to ease him into it in terms of we
Speaker 10: had a football team around him. And that's why I
Speaker 10: say before I said building it around him. We had
Speaker 10: a good offensive line, we had a running game, We
Speaker 10: had a pretty solid group of receivers. So it was
Speaker 10: just coming in and making sure that you ran and
Speaker 10: it did your part in that offense. I didn't ask
Speaker 10: you to win games. We'll asking you not to lose games.
Speaker 10: That doesn't mean you're being risk adverse. So does means
Speaker 10: you're not taking answers and doing the things that allow
Speaker 10: him to do. And he did come in and he
Speaker 10: you know, he felt more comfortable out of the pocket
Speaker 10: and running around and I used to call it playing
Speaker 10: street ball, where he didn't. He made the game look
Speaker 10: very simple. It wasn't how we designed it and frustrating
Speaker 10: at times as a coach, but at the same time,
Speaker 10: we were winning games and he was doing things that
Speaker 10: he felt comfortable. So you try to reel them in,
Speaker 10: but not too much because you kind of let him
Speaker 10: do his thing because he was having success, but you
Speaker 10: knew it wasn't sustainable. So what you really try to
Speaker 10: do is just get him to grow to develop. While
Speaker 10: he was very comfortable within this system that he thought
Speaker 10: was very simple, so you try to keep it simple
Speaker 10: and let it become more complex and he becomes more comfortable.
Speaker 2: I think you gave us the story that Ben would
Speaker 2: act like he couldn't hear you.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's when he got real. He got wall he
Speaker 10: got too comfortable. So it says like, like, let me
Speaker 10: just do this. I think I think my headphones are out.
Speaker 10: No they're not, because I'll let me get that home.
Speaker 10: And I said, the helmet's fine. Go oh, Ben, the
Speaker 10: helmet's fine. He goes with just came back on. I go, yeah,
Speaker 10: I came back on. It's called selective hearing. Selective hearing.
Speaker 10: So yeah, if we have it with our kids, it
Speaker 10: was like I have one of my kids, they have
Speaker 10: selective hearing.
Speaker 2: Can you relate it all to Bill Belichick?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 10: I mean well as a football coach for sure. I
Speaker 10: mean I think that.
Speaker 2: Like, did you ever think like, I mean, that's that's
Speaker 2: a big change. Could you ever see yourself? I don't
Speaker 2: think you coached in college as a head coach, but
Speaker 2: doing something like that. If NC State says would you
Speaker 2: like to coach us? Could you see that? Even right now?
Speaker 2: I mean you're younger than Belichick.
Speaker 10: Yeah, no, I mean the coaching landscape right now in
Speaker 10: college sports is just I don't know. I always looked
Speaker 10: at college sports as being a purity of its amateur
Speaker 10: element to it you work your way to the professional element.
Speaker 10: It's a period of time. You know, only one percent
Speaker 10: of college players are going to play football and everyone
Speaker 10: else is going to move on to their next state
Speaker 10: stage in life. And so I thought it was the
Speaker 10: best four years of my life when I played in college.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 10: And you you're tremendously impacted by your coaches, and I
Speaker 10: love that part of it. I remember going down when
Speaker 10: I stepped down, be able to talk to to the
Speaker 10: NC State football team on sprint print spring practices and
Speaker 10: just recognize the kind of impact you have as a
Speaker 10: coach for for those people. I remember, you know, my
Speaker 10: coach had Lou Holtz my first year of bo Ryan
Speaker 10: my next three years.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 10: Some of the players I played with I still am
Speaker 10: contact with today. And so you know, it's you know,
Speaker 10: high school football, college football. I mean, that was that
Speaker 10: was pure, and it was it was a part of
Speaker 10: growing up, and you know, at that point then you
Speaker 10: have to be ready to move on to the next
Speaker 10: days of life. And I was fortunate enough to be
Speaker 10: able to stay in the professional football make it for
Speaker 10: for five years and get into coaching, and but I coaching.
Speaker 7: Is still it's in your blood.
Speaker 10: That's the only thing I'll say about Bill I I
Speaker 10: do doesn't surprise me, because I do think he does
Speaker 10: love coaching game of football. I think he's his core
Speaker 10: values of how he believes the game should be played,
Speaker 10: and the respect that he has for the game is
Speaker 10: something that will be a great benefit to the players
Speaker 10: that he ends up coaching. So I think that from
Speaker 10: that standpoint as a football coach, he's tremendously insightful. I
Speaker 10: think he's very good at what he does, you know,
Speaker 10: have great impact on those people. So I think that
Speaker 10: if mess standpoint, it doesn't surprise me. It wouldn't be
Speaker 10: interesting to see how the how it goes with them
Speaker 10: and the whole college football scene. Dan right now with
Speaker 10: the NIL and they're hiring gms. Now you're talking about
Speaker 10: positions of gms and college football. It's almost like the
Speaker 10: wild wild West. I just just doesn't seem like to
Speaker 10: any guardrails sometimes in terms of what they can and
Speaker 10: can't do.
Speaker 2: How many times do you think you were out coached
Speaker 2: in your career.
Speaker 7: I think it does happen.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean We spend a lot of time
Speaker 2: talking about coaches and Belichick being maybe the greatest coach
Speaker 2: of all time, but can you get out coached?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I think when you're not prepared and
Speaker 10: you don't have the ability to have flexibility to make
Speaker 10: you know, uh, you know, alterations in terms of what
Speaker 10: you do in the course of a game. You got
Speaker 10: to know, you talk about in house game adjustments. That's real.
Speaker 10: What's real is the fact is you can prepare all
Speaker 10: week for something and if I can show you something
Speaker 10: that you have prepared for them, it's gonna be your
Speaker 10: ability to be able to be a good teacher on
Speaker 10: the men and to be able to do some things
Speaker 10: on the sideline to make some adjustments in game adjustments.
Speaker 10: And so that to me is where at times, you know,
Speaker 10: you feel like you're you're you're play caller or you're
Speaker 10: a defensive signal caller. Sometimes you feel like you're just
Speaker 10: just one play behind. There's there's a step ahead. Then
Speaker 10: you call something and they can beat you with it,
Speaker 10: or something you are ahead of them. You're dictating the
Speaker 10: pace of play. So I do think coaching is so
Speaker 10: impactful in the game and every game that you win
Speaker 10: or lose, you can go back to three or four
Speaker 10: plays that maybe you wish you had back, and three
Speaker 10: or four plays that you say, wow, you know it
Speaker 10: was a great call at the right time. Or at
Speaker 10: times it's just the way the ball bounced. And so
Speaker 10: there are times when you know it's just you know,
Speaker 10: you can take one or two plays and it's a
Speaker 10: fifty to fifty ball that you didn't come down with.
Speaker 7: Is that being out coached?
Speaker 10: I wouldn't say that is, but I think to a degree,
Speaker 10: I think every football game that you win and lose,
Speaker 10: there's a tremendous impact that coaching can have in that
Speaker 10: game in terms of what you do and also then
Speaker 10: moving forward, and I do think that sometimes some of
Speaker 10: the greatest lessons you learned is you watch a football
Speaker 10: team you think one thing going in then you come.
Speaker 7: Out of it.
Speaker 10: Is that ability to be able to stay a step
Speaker 10: ahead all of a sudden, all of a sudden, not
Speaker 10: be a team that can be all we know exactly
Speaker 10: what you're going to do every week. I'm always going
Speaker 10: to have the better players than you. So I got
Speaker 10: schematically be able to do something that can give my
Speaker 10: football team a competitive eage And how I coach them,
Speaker 10: and my decision making and my ability to adapt and
Speaker 10: adjust and do some things differently because it's just not working.
Speaker 10: He beating my head against the wall. Think, Okay, we're's
Speaker 10: going to keep doing it because that's who we are.
Speaker 10: To know who we are should be someone you're not
Speaker 10: sure who we are. If I can make sure you're
Speaker 10: not sure who we are because we show a lot
Speaker 10: of different things. That to me is what great coaching
Speaker 10: is about. Is to be able to stay a step ahead,
Speaker 10: to be creative in your thinking, open mind in your thinking,
Speaker 10: and keep your players kind of excited about what's coming
Speaker 10: up next, because even they know if there's gonna be
Speaker 10: something a little bit tweaking, we're gonna tweak something about
Speaker 10: how we approach every game each week, making it all personal.
Speaker 2: Is there a decision that you made that still haunts you?
Speaker 5: Ah?
Speaker 10: You know. I mean, you get fourth and three in
Speaker 10: the AFC Championship game and you have the three yard line,
Speaker 10: and it's like, that's your game. If you go score
Speaker 10: a touchdown, you you go to the super Bowl. If
Speaker 10: you don't, you go home. Well, we called the play
Speaker 10: and Neil Donald pass that was batted down by Dennis
Speaker 10: Gibson that was intended for Barry Foster. So I guess
Speaker 10: I just gave you that play, which I was so yeah,
Speaker 10: so it was incomplete. When I want that play, yeah,
Speaker 10: maybe I would want that play. Yeah, okay, you had
Speaker 10: to bring it up. I just told you there was
Speaker 10: a Neil Donald now by Dennis Gibson and it was
Speaker 10: intended for Barry Foster. I thought it was a great play.
Speaker 10: I actually called the play and it was the nineteen
Speaker 10: ninety four AFC Championship game against the San Diego Chargers, So.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was.
Speaker 10: Ironically enough, the following year in the same end zone,
Speaker 10: AFC Championship game, last play of the game was a
Speaker 10: hail Mary from Jim Harball into the end zone and
Speaker 10: this one was bada don So this was another incomplete
Speaker 10: pass the end zone, but this time it was a
Speaker 10: good thing. So it was I remember those two plays
Speaker 10: very vividly, and also the remember the play that we
Speaker 10: have Ben Roethlisberger block and Antoine Randael to Hines ward play.
Speaker 10: We practiced that for so long and it was in
Speaker 10: the fourth quarter and it was kind of sealed the game.
Speaker 10: So you do remember particular plays that we're very impactful
Speaker 10: in big games, and they're not always wins.
Speaker 2: Are you glad you called in today?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad.
Speaker 7: IM glad you even asked me to come in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I am okay, I know, I just.
Speaker 7: I like this conversation. This is great.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to ruin your day where you're you know,
Speaker 2: you're going to lunch and your wife's going, what's wrong?
Speaker 2: The very foster throw and.
Speaker 7: I know you started listen.
Speaker 10: I I love the fact this time of year there
Speaker 10: is free agency going on. They're getting ready for the draft,
Speaker 10: you know, and free agency really does impact the draft.
Speaker 10: Say what you want, but like a lot of things
Speaker 10: that happened between now and then, you know, I go
Speaker 10: back to up until the very day of the draft.
Speaker 10: We traded for uh Drome bettas against with the Rams,
Speaker 10: and consequently we didn't uh, we didn't we were going
Speaker 10: to take Eddie George if we didn't get very uh,
Speaker 10: if we didn't get Drone Bette.
Speaker 7: So h there's you know this this time of the years.
Speaker 10: It's funny because everybody's decisions and you have like the
Speaker 10: musical chairs with the quarterbacks. He's got Russell Aaron. You
Speaker 10: still have the giants probably looking for one, but are
Speaker 10: they going to draft one? You know, is Kevin o'kake
Speaker 10: going into it with JJ McCarthy and no other veterans.
Speaker 10: So you're kind of waiting to see what happens and
Speaker 10: how that unfolds. And so it's if you wake up
Speaker 10: and you kind of check the news and see what
Speaker 10: any news is the other day, and we're still still
Speaker 10: waiting on Aaron And know you, Ie'm sure he's still
Speaker 10: on the beach walking up and down this morning to
Speaker 10: see what he wants to do. I don't know, but
Speaker 10: you know, but it's like I said before, there's no
Speaker 10: timetable right now. I know we all got in and
Speaker 10: get anxious about what's going on, what are we going
Speaker 10: to do here there? But you know, at the same time,
Speaker 10: I think you're getting ready for some of these pro days,
Speaker 10: you're getting ready for the draft, and and I think
Speaker 10: right now you're getting a feel for what you want
Speaker 10: to do and and more importantly where the where players
Speaker 10: mindsets are.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to your coaches always, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 7: Thanks Dan. Anytime.
Speaker 2: That's the Hall of Famer Bill Counter.
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Speaker 2: Let's bringing Seth Davis. He of course from CBS Sports.
Speaker 2: You know, that Loyal and Marymount team was so far
Speaker 2: ahead of everybody in basketball when you think about what
Speaker 2: they were doing when they were doing it. This is
Speaker 2: what the game is now, certainly in the NBA.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's kind of you know when you mentioned that,
Speaker 5: you know, so many unbelievable memories obviously from not only
Speaker 5: that team but that era, and it's it's interesting that
Speaker 5: nobody has really tried to do that. Now we have
Speaker 5: the analytics, and we have the three point shot and
Speaker 5: the spacing and all of that, but just the frenetic
Speaker 5: you know, early shot clock attempt no matter what. You know,
Speaker 5: there's like that Division III school, Grinnell College is that
Speaker 5: way and there's some dispute and it's an interesting conversation.
Speaker 5: Is that really basketball? I mean are they trying to
Speaker 5: win the thing about that Loyal and Marimount team is
Speaker 5: they were really good. I mean they won a lot
Speaker 5: of games playing that way. It's just interesting that you know,
Speaker 5: in today's era, especially with the Portlal, you think a
Speaker 5: lot of players will want to try to play that way.
Speaker 2: But also it's a we want to take a three,
Speaker 2: We'll give you a two. We're going to take a three.
Speaker 2: And Paul west had, you know, had great shooters on
Speaker 2: that team, great scores on that team, and really you
Speaker 2: haven't seen anybody replicate that in Division one basketball, which
Speaker 2: you know, given the fact that everybody wants shoot threes,
Speaker 2: you would think that that would be something if they
Speaker 2: found a couple of really good three in d guys,
Speaker 2: that you'd be able to incorporate that. All right, I
Speaker 2: got off on a tangent there. What if North Carolina
Speaker 2: loses tonight? Seth, I do not like.
Speaker 5: The better question? What if North Carolina makes the Sweet sixteen,
Speaker 5: does that mean they deserve to get in? No, the
Speaker 5: tournament is nuts. Stopped trying to make sense. Everybody wants
Speaker 5: to make s Oh, Gonzaga, that means they shouldn't have
Speaker 5: gotten remember whichitass State didn't get the right seat on
Speaker 5: that show? That No, no, no, no, no, the turn it
Speaker 5: it all starts over again. There are a lot of
Speaker 5: teams that are not in this tournament that could win
Speaker 5: a few games. We've had two teams in the last
Speaker 5: fourteen years, go from the first four to the final four.
Speaker 5: We don't need to get off another tangent. But I
Speaker 5: happen to be a proponent of expansion partly for this reason.
Speaker 5: I mean, imagine, by the way, Dan, you know we've
Speaker 5: got two games tonight and two games tomorrow night. How
Speaker 5: excited are your listeners about those games? Maybe not really,
Speaker 5: But if there were six games today and six games tomorrow,
Speaker 5: I think there'd be a lot more excitement. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I encourage people. Please don't use NCAA tournament results to
Speaker 5: retroactively justify whatever narrative you're trying to create.
Speaker 2: Could we have total transparency with the selection committee and
Speaker 2: they would allow us to see and hear what goes
Speaker 2: on behind the scenes. Is that asking too much, invading
Speaker 2: somebody's privacy to let us see? So there is no discrepancy,
Speaker 2: so we do hear the arguments here.
Speaker 5: Right, So I start with this spaceline. No matter what happens,
Speaker 5: when that Brackett comes out, people are going to be pissed,
Speaker 5: and some opportunistic governor is going to do whatever he does,
Speaker 5: and everyone's going to get on social media. Everybody's going
Speaker 5: to be pissed. No matter what happens. I got half
Speaker 5: my timeline criticizing me for fawning over the committee and
Speaker 5: Bubby Bubba Cunningham when I asked him the question on
Speaker 5: the selection show, and the other half things that I
Speaker 5: am totally unfair Duke Hack who set them up for
Speaker 5: an unfair question. It's just the nature of the zeit, guys.
Speaker 5: This happened with the college football playoff when Alabama didn't
Speaker 5: get in. So I think the basketball committee, I think
Speaker 5: the football is way behind on this, and I understand
Speaker 5: this is the first year that they've done this. The
Speaker 5: basketball committee in the nca in general, has been extremely
Speaker 5: transparent about the process. Why do you think there are
Speaker 5: two hundred and fifty or five hundred bracketologists out there
Speaker 5: all using the numbers everything is out there. At the
Speaker 5: end of the day, it becomes very subjective. You get
Speaker 5: seven teams for three spots, right, that's the math. And
Speaker 5: so I've actually frankly talked to them about putting a
Speaker 5: pool reporter in the room so they can report on
Speaker 5: the person in the room can report on that at
Speaker 5: least maybe for the bracketing. Because everybody has a million conspiracies?
Speaker 5: Are you just they obviously, obviously they just want to
Speaker 5: set up Patino in Calipari. You know, they used to
Speaker 5: and they haven't done this in a while. Then they
Speaker 5: actually used to do a mock selection where they bring
Speaker 5: in members of the media such as myself, put them
Speaker 5: in the actual committee room on the actual committee computers,
Speaker 5: and have them go through, you know, a truncated process
Speaker 5: so we all understand what the process is at the
Speaker 5: end of the day. I get the argument that, hey,
Speaker 5: these are big decisions and we want people to be
Speaker 5: able to speak freely, and if there's a camera in
Speaker 5: the room, they can't speak freely and have a real
Speaker 5: candid discussion about things. It's a very difficult position to
Speaker 5: be in because you know they're subject to such criticisms. So, look,
Speaker 5: I disagree with the North Carolina decision. By the way,
Speaker 5: go to all these bracketologists who are up in arms.
Speaker 5: All of them had Carolina in their first four out.
Speaker 5: Many of them had Carolina as their first team out
Speaker 5: or their second team out. And every year there is
Speaker 5: a team that comes sort of from further down the list,
Speaker 5: but people don't expect to be in. It's a little
Speaker 5: unfortunate that this year that team happened to be the
Speaker 5: school where not just someone on the committee, but the
Speaker 5: actual chair of the committee is the ad from that school,
Speaker 5: and he's gotten an incentive in his contract. It's all
Speaker 5: bubba mice. Dan, I disagree, but that doesn't make it corrupt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just there's so much money at stake, there's
Speaker 2: jobs at stake, you know. I just I want to
Speaker 2: make sure they get it right. It's just like the
Speaker 2: college football playoffs. I want to make sure they get
Speaker 2: it right.
Speaker 5: Would't you agree that that there is no right at
Speaker 5: the end of the day, it's otherwise. The better answer, Dan,
Speaker 5: would be, let's not have any human beings do it.
Speaker 5: Let's have an algorithm and let's plug in the numbers
Speaker 5: and let's let the AI computer or whatever will use
Speaker 5: your image AI generated to you know, but why even
Speaker 5: have people in the room. It's subjective. You're gonna get
Speaker 5: what the football went from four to twelve. That means
Speaker 5: whoever thirteen is going to be mad. It's just it's
Speaker 5: just math.
Speaker 2: Okay, So why don't we do that? Or why don't
Speaker 2: we let Vegas decide who are the teams that should
Speaker 2: be in.
Speaker 5: There's a case for that. Listen, I've made the case,
Speaker 5: and I'll give Joe Lonardi credit for being one of
Speaker 5: the first to really say this. People talk about the
Speaker 5: eye test. I don't think there should be an eye test.
Speaker 5: Oh look at them. They both like, you see your
Speaker 5: vine and you see San Diego. Look at this game,
Speaker 5: they both. Have you seen every team play every game
Speaker 5: this year? Because I watch a lot of basketball and
Speaker 5: I haven't done that, but those numbers have seen that.
Speaker 5: So you know, there is some subjectivity built into the
Speaker 5: really on the fringes of the process. You know, ninety
Speaker 5: percent of what happens and who's in and where they're
Speaker 5: seated and where they play is pretty baked in. So
Speaker 5: it's only in that last maybe ten percent where you
Speaker 5: get genuine human subjectivity. And as long as you have that,
Speaker 5: people are going to be mad. They're going to have
Speaker 5: conspiracy theories. Oh, we should have basketball people on the committee.
Speaker 5: We should have non NCAA people on the committee. Blah
Speaker 5: blah blah. Win enough games and you don't have to
Speaker 5: worry about it.
Speaker 2: Seth Davis from CBS Sports joining us. Let's say Duke
Speaker 2: doesn't win the national title. Let's say Duke maybe bounds
Speaker 2: out in the Elite eight. Is there a scenario where
Speaker 2: Cooper Flag would come back to Duke in your.
Speaker 5: Opinion, there's a better chance that I will play for
Speaker 5: Duke next year. And by the way, I do have
Speaker 5: eligibility that Cooper Flag there is zero chance and he should.
Speaker 5: I would not suggest that anybody make that kind of
Speaker 5: a decision based on the NCAA tournament and what happens
Speaker 5: in a postseason. Who knows what happens in this tournament.
Speaker 5: He's going to be the number one pick in the draft. Yes,
Speaker 5: he can make good money coming back to Duke. He
Speaker 5: can make exponentially more going to the NBA. You know,
Speaker 5: when Zion Williamson was about to make his announcement, he said, well,
Speaker 5: we don't know how serious he really was, but he
Speaker 5: actually talked to coach k about this and he said,
Speaker 5: what if I come back? Like I had such fun
Speaker 5: Like what if I come back? And KA basically told him, well,
Speaker 5: you don't have a scholarship here and you don't have
Speaker 5: a roster here. I don't want that. On the go
Speaker 5: pro go make your hundred million dollars so.
Speaker 2: Much Cooper Flag get paid.
Speaker 5: That's a great question, and he wants transparency that's what
Speaker 5: I'd like to know. I would guess neighborhood of eight
Speaker 5: million all in right between. He's probably getting two from
Speaker 5: Duke and their whole collective. Mean, he's got his own
Speaker 5: new Balance.
Speaker 2: He's got to get more from Duke than the guy
Speaker 2: at Kansas State got two million dollars.
Speaker 5: He got two million dollars from their collective. But Cooper
Speaker 5: Flag is a unicorn in terms of his market. I mean,
Speaker 5: he's got his own shoe deal, he's at the signature
Speaker 5: Nike's school, and he's got a new Balance deal. That's
Speaker 5: pretty good. That's my hat's off to him, man.
Speaker 2: But but you don't want Brown.
Speaker 7: I want to.
Speaker 5: Shout at his agent at SAA, that's pretty good.
Speaker 2: You don't want to go to the Wizards though.
Speaker 5: You know what, It's funny. I grew up a Wizards fan,
Speaker 5: and I went down to Durham to interview Cooper Flag
Speaker 5: and a couple of guys for Fox Sports. I said
Speaker 5: to him, I said, you look pretty good in the
Speaker 5: Wizard's uniform, but they're not gonna win. Look, it will
Speaker 5: be the most Wizards thing ever to not not. They're
Speaker 5: gonna pick third or whatever whatever, the.
Speaker 2: Lowest one what were you a Bullets fan before then?
Speaker 2: They became because I remember seeing the the Bullets with
Speaker 2: Wes Unsell and Phil and Elvin Hayes.
Speaker 5: Elvin Hayes, Yeah. Do you remember the old Capital Center
Speaker 5: with that sort of concave. Yeah, yeah, out in Landover, Maryland. Dad,
Speaker 5: you know those games back in the day. We are old,
Speaker 5: and we are old.
Speaker 2: The transfer portals effect on college basketball good or bad?
Speaker 5: I think it's I think on balance it's been very good.
Speaker 5: I think that I would like to see maybe for
Speaker 5: the second time transfer you have to sit out of here.
Speaker 5: That's really what happened. People talk about the portal. The
Speaker 5: portal is just a database that allows everybody to see
Speaker 5: who wants to transfer, who doesn't, and help you to
Speaker 5: get in touch. What really happened was it used to
Speaker 5: be if you transferred, you had to sit out a year,
Speaker 5: and it was only in like a couple of sports.
Speaker 5: So they got rid of that, and then they said, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: on the second transfer, you have to sit out of here,
Speaker 5: but we're gonna have exceptions for hardships. And then everybody's
Speaker 5: uncle got super sick and they had to, you know,
Speaker 5: go live near the uncle, and so they ended up
Speaker 5: getting rid of that. That's part of why, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm hoping at some point it seems inevitable, then they
Speaker 5: just make them employees, let them unionize, get a collective
Speaker 5: bargaining agreement, and maybe maybe it gets rectified that way.
Speaker 5: But you know, I see and I understand, like when
Speaker 5: people will say, oh, you know, these mid major teams,
Speaker 5: they have a great player, and then he can just
Speaker 5: transfer up, and that's not fair to the mid major schools,
Speaker 5: but they can also get transfers from schools who are
Speaker 5: in lower divisions. And by the way, a lot of
Speaker 5: these players start off at those power conference schools and
Speaker 5: don't get a lot of minutes and they end up
Speaker 5: transferring down. So I don't think there's been any change
Speaker 5: in that regard. The best players are always going to
Speaker 5: go to the schools with the best resources, and so
Speaker 5: it's sort of manifesting itself differently. But this is as
Speaker 5: far as I'm concerned, It's been that way since the
Speaker 5: beginning of time.
Speaker 2: Well, look at Drake. They took players from Division two
Speaker 2: to fill out that roster. So you're right, you can
Speaker 2: go down lower if you need to give me the
Speaker 2: sneaky give me two or three sneaky teams that they
Speaker 2: may not get to the final four, but they're going
Speaker 2: to create some havoc.
Speaker 5: Well, Drake is definitely one of them. You know, Ben
Speaker 5: McCollum came from D two, won national championships there, brought
Speaker 5: four players. And by the way, you see San Diego
Speaker 5: as another team. I've got them going to the Sweet sixteen.
Speaker 5: Actually this is their fourth year in Division one, but
Speaker 5: there's a transition period about being so is their first
Speaker 5: year being eligible for the tournament. So those are hungry.
Speaker 5: But a lot of those guys came from a Division
Speaker 5: two as well. What I like about Drake dan and
Speaker 5: maybe this is someone that all the bracket filler outers
Speaker 5: can look out for, Like I do like teams that
Speaker 5: slow tempo because it's you get these stylistic contrasts. So
Speaker 5: they're playing Missouri, which likes to get out and go,
Speaker 5: and you know basketball better than anyone. It's much easier
Speaker 5: to take a team that wants to run and slow
Speaker 5: them down, then take a team that wants to play
Speaker 5: slow and try to speed them up. So St. Mary's
Speaker 5: is another team that plays a slow tempo liberty. They're
Speaker 5: playing Oregon in the first round. That's my first round upset.
Speaker 5: I really like high Point as a thirteen seed. They
Speaker 5: won their league last year, lost in the conference tournament,
Speaker 5: brought a lot of those guys back. They got a
Speaker 5: guy Bobby Pettiford who played at Kansas Ye now coming
Speaker 5: off their bench, and they won all year. They won
Speaker 5: their league by three games. And then McNeice is the
Speaker 5: other one. Will Wade's got some serious, serious high major athletes.
Speaker 5: I like high Point because they go seven feet six'
Speaker 5: eight in the front court and they're six. Man is
Speaker 5: a stretch for six.' nine a lot of times those
Speaker 5: mid major teams don't have the size up front that
Speaker 5: some of the high majors. ONE does i Like the
Speaker 5: panthers Of.
Speaker 2: High point give me the vulnerable number. One, SEED well
Speaker 2: i Think.
Speaker 5: IT'S auburn, I mean i think there's any question that
Speaker 5: they've lost. THEIR edge i think the mantle of being
Speaker 5: as good as, they are as good as they've been
Speaker 5: in that league. All, season now, you know maybe they know.
Speaker 5: Rejuvenate themselves auburn is an, Amazing, story dan and that
Speaker 5: all of, those guys they got, one guy a freshman
Speaker 5: point guard. To hot pettiford comes off. The bench he
Speaker 5: was a. Top recruit everybody else. ARE trained, I Mean
Speaker 5: jenni broom is the player of, the year spent his
Speaker 5: first two Seasons At. MOREHEAD state, i mean they got
Speaker 5: guys who transferred Into from. Division Two, Chad baker mazara
Speaker 5: came from. Junior college so they kind of they need
Speaker 5: to get, that back like that chip on. Their shoulder
Speaker 5: they're much Better Like, sea biscuit, you know trying to play.
Speaker 2: From behind should there be an age? CEILING that i
Speaker 2: think the point Guard for creighton is? Twenty four is that?
Speaker 2: That right we get to the, point where, you know maybe.
Speaker 5: Twenty, THREE well i don't think it should. BE age, i,
Speaker 5: DO obviously i think it should. Be eligibility, and again
Speaker 5: this is why we just need to get to, collective
Speaker 5: bargaining because the Governor Of, west virginia, YOU know, i
Speaker 5: mean what's what makes you more popular as a politician
Speaker 5: or attorney general prosecutor than, you know sticking up for
Speaker 5: athletes AGAINST. The ncaa one thing that is going to happen.
Speaker 5: Next year the whole sport's going to get younger because
Speaker 5: this is the last year of the QUOTE unquote covid
Speaker 5: senior everybody got an extra year of eligibility BECAUSE, Of
Speaker 5: covid so you got guys who are playing and if
Speaker 5: like you had a medical, red shirt but now like
Speaker 5: they're trying to make it so and these judges are
Speaker 5: helping them out that the junior college doesn't count against.
Speaker 5: Your clock so you can play two years in junior
Speaker 5: college and now and now have five to play Four in.
Speaker 5: Division one that's not. Gonna last. IT'S craziness i.
Speaker 2: Tell you we'll talk to you in. The tournament always
Speaker 2: great to connect.
Speaker 5: With you Love, you dan thanks for having. Me on enjoy.
Speaker 2: The tournament, Thank you sin