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Speaker 1: He was like, came to find out, you know that

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Speaker 4: I really doubt that you're going to.

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Speaker 1: Then I came to realize, you know a lot of

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Speaker 3: Grease Podcast, where we'll explore things forgotten but relevant, search

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Speaker 1: My name is Pablouis quill. I was born and raised

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Speaker 2: And I was like, but who told the government you

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Speaker 2: So are you gonna go after them? Or are you not?

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Speaker 3: Here's the story of how all that went down. I'd

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Speaker 2: This is what happened. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So I like her and I was like, Lisen, honey,

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Speaker 1: Well, ask my little girl, and now you're taking my

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Speaker 1: And so I'm lost, right, I'm not following what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Why was that? You know?

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Speaker 1: She's like, I'm sorry. And I said, man, that ain't

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Speaker 2: That keys was no blazing, dude. I'm still that. I

438
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 2: will never forgive that on my life.

439
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 3: Pablo and his wife have been married ever since. You

440
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 3: can tell a lot about a man by the way

441
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 3: he talks about his wife when she's not there, And

442
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 3: I can tell you that Pablo goes on and on.

443
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 4: About what a wonderful woman that she is.

444
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 3: But the story rolls on and the next chapter begins

445
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 3: when his mom and stepdad moved to the country out

446
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 3: in rural Alabama.

447
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: I have to find a way to keep my head busy, right,

448
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh, man, I really would love

449
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: to to do some hunting or something like that. Well,

450
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: my step that gives me a baby gun, that old

451
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: trusty daisy, right, you know, the regular pump baby gun.

452
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 2: Man man, man man.

453
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 1: Then I'm having a blast and I'm talking to him

454
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 1: and just communicating with him the hunting that we used

455
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: to do.

456
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 2: Right.

457
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: Well, he doesn't understand much what I'm saying, but he

458
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: knows that I'm somewhere along that line.

459
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 2: He said, what about if you go handing and think

460
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 2: you're a hunter? Education course? So I was like, what

461
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: is that.

462
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: He's like, so you can get a license and you

463
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: can go hunting, and I was like, what are you mean?

464
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: Now he did get my attention. He was like, you know,

465
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: there's public land and I was like, how, I don't

466
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: understand that. He was like, there's a piece of land

467
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: where you can go and hunt. You don't have to pay,

468
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: as long as you can comply.

469
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: With the state and federal regulations. And I was like,

470
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 2: how do I do that? Man? Don't deal right, I'm hunter, education, course,

471
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 2: everything else. I'm running out there on the woods.

472
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 4: So Pablo is gonna do some hunting.

473
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 3: And when he got to America around two thousand and one,

474
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 3: it was in the peak of the outdoor television era

475
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 3: and he watched a lot of it. He saw big

476
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 3: buck after big buck get killed on the edges the cornfields,

477
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: as these shows often highlighted the best places in America

478
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 3: to hunt, which was the Midwest. Little did he know

479
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 3: that public land hunting in Alabama was going to be

480
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 3: a little bit different. But he also picked up that

481
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 3: scent was a big deal to these TV hunters.

482
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: I do my first hunt, right, got ready, I'm ready, man,

483
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: And I go to Walmart and I told these are

484
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: what I told the lady. I said, dear scinth, that's

485
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: what I asked her. I said, dear, And you know,

486
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: on the hunting section and she was like, what, like,

487
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: dear p, and I said, yeah, I guess I was

488
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: really excited.

489
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: I don't know.

490
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: So she gives me that big bottle. So I go

491
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: jumping my truck and running straight through the woods Man

492
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: and I start spraying with it and.

493
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 2: I'm I'm gagging.

494
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: I'm having a bad time, and I'm like this crap

495
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: is this tout?

496
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 5: You know?

497
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: Like, but in my mind I was like, you just

498
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: gotta do what you gotta do.

499
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 4: Well, so you've sprayed yourself.

500
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 6: Yes, I'm spraying all over your body, doestress all over

501
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 6: like cologne, just going at it, and I'm gagging, I'm

502
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 6: doing everything, and I would really like cover up. Well,

503
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 6: little did I know these guys were spraying sand killer

504
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 6: And my.

505
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: English was so broken and I was so.

506
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: Ignorant that I thought that it was do estress or anyways.

507
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: You know, I learned I'll earned the hard way because

508
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: I came home and my wife was like, what is

509
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 1: that smell?

510
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 2: Get out? But the grace of God, thanks to the

511
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: good Lord, I didn't kill anything because he would have

512
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: been a mess. I was.

513
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I was in season, Like

514
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: I said, I'm just out there and going at it.

515
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: Most likely was both only and I have a firearm

516
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: on my shoulders, like.

517
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: He was a perfect recipe for a disaster. But it

518
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: didn't happen.

519
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: So you got to remember, I went three years, three

520
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:43,719
Speaker 1: old seasons, and that was in a dear nothing, and

521
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: I go here in Alabama, in this public making a

522
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: fool of myself. I'm making a fool of myself doing

523
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: blinds in the middle of the fields, and I never

524
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: saw it.

525
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: There.

526
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: For three years, Poplo hunted public land and Alabia and

527
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: he never saw a deer. But he learned as much

528
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: as he could about hunting, and a lot of it

529
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: from television.

530
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 4: But one fateful day things changed.

531
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: I sit down that day, I'm climb, climb up, and

532
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: I'm hunting a place that I've never been before that

533
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: I have no clue why I picked up that tree. Anyways,

534
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: there is a deer like I can't actually see a

535
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: deer with horns. It's my first buck and the first

536
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: deer that I seen on the US since I started

537
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: hunting three years ago. I'm self dought with a bowl

538
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: as well. I wanted a bowl really bad. I guess

539
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: he just kind of connects with the sling shot kind

540
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: of thing.

541
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 4: Right, So you taught yourself how to shoot a boat.

542
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I smoked my forearms so many times. Oh man,

543
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: I heard so bad, and I shoot so many arrows,

544
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: like through this iron of the house.

545
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: And then God knows for.

546
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: It else because you know, trying to trying to side

547
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: up a boat with no experience. It's it's complicated, right,

548
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: thanks to the good lower man. Because I said, some

549
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: brodheads just shot disappear, you know, And.

550
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: I was a good deal.

551
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: There's no neighbors down down yonder because it could be anyways.

552
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: Go with my boat, man and I and the thing

553
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: starts walking my way. So I'm losing it.

554
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 4: I never experienced public Alabama.

555
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm in public in Alabama. I'm losing it. Never experienced

556
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: this before in my life. I got buck fever. Well,

557
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's bug fever. I think I'm

558
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: having like a seizure attack or something. I don't know

559
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: what's happening, but I'm just shaking, trying to put the

560
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: release on and trying to draw in. And I'm like

561
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: I've released, and I means like clean, clean.

562
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: Miss.

563
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: I thought that he was dead because he took off

564
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: running and I've seen the air on the ground clean,

565
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: no blood. No, I mean, they're not telling how far

566
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: away I was from that year. I was devastated, and

567
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I'm gonna be one hundred percent honest.

568
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: I cry, man, and I cry like a kid because

569
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: he heard so much.

570
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: Man. I was like, I have worked so hard.

571
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: I don't put myself through so much, and now that

572
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: I had a chance, I blew it. Like me myself,

573
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: I blew it. I don't know how to explain it.

574
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: It's like I have done everything that I like that

575
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: I have in my power to make it happen, and

576
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: yet I'm sure handed.

577
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: Well.

578
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: But three days later, my wife is like, so, you

579
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: ain't going back to the woods, and I was like, no,

580
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm not hunting again. I'm not doing that. I said,

581
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: I'm not hunting again. That's just stupid. I'm not doing this.

582
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: I don't know how they do whatever they do, but

583
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. It's probably not for me. And

584
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: she said, what if you just go and walk in

585
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: the forest and maybe clean your mind? And I was saying,

586
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that.

587
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: Period.

588
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: You know, she goes to work I was off the

589
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: whole week, and it was about a lunchtime and I

590
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, She's probably right. I'm just

591
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: gonna go and walk. And I grabbed my boat and

592
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: I went walking, went to the place where I missed

593
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: that book, and I was so upset still, you know,

594
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: I was like, I cannot believe.

595
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: I said, I'm just gonna see it for the heaving.

596
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: They didn't even have my climber.

597
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: Walk about one hundred yards south, sat on the ground

598
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: and I was playing.

599
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: With dirt and sticks with a log behind me. I

600
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: previous hitting in front of me. I remember this like

601
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: if it was yesterday. Well, it's getting that time. Son

602
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: is going down.

603
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: You start having a little bit of gray light here

604
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: and there. There is a drainage to my right, and

605
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: I can feel something pulling.

606
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: Like a like a light breeze. Well that was the

607
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: turmos kicking in.

608
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: I have no clue about terminals, right, So I'm sitting

609
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: by the drainage. My scent is being pulling away and

610
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: I heard some noise and I immediately assume on my head.

611
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: I said, that's squirrel.

612
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: And I look up and that book is walking towards me,

613
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: like like literally towards me in a straight line. Well,

614
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,239
Speaker 1: then I'm realizing, like I'm having a heart attack right

615
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: now again, I cannot get my boat. I don't know

616
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: where my release at. I'm fumbling on the ground while

617
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: sitting down, fumbling on the ground, trying to get my

618
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: stuff together. And then I raised my head up and

619
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: that book is maybe fifteen yards away, looking straight at me,

620
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: bobbing his head up and down like what is that?

621
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: And he's about to belt. Man, I don't remember seeing

622
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: the pip side. I don't remember not. I just remember

623
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: hearing that distinctive both where it hits I think takes

624
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: up running and piles up.

625
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: Man. Now, if you talk about.

626
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: Buck fever, I mean I was shaking, I was sweating.

627
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: I was seriously thinking, like, they're gonna find those both

628
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: dead right here, because I'm fixing the dye today. With

629
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: him right there, I'm having a heart attack and I

630
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: have to get out of here.

631
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: So I got out.

632
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: I literally just got out, walk all the way to

633
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: my truck. I'm on public.

634
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 4: Now, have you seen the deer go?

635
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 2: No? I saw him. I saw him going down.

636
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 4: So you really think he's falling down?

637
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: Yes?

638
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: Because I seen him tumbling so I said, he's dead.

639
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 2: That's what I said. I said, he's dead.

640
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: Them guys on the TV shows when they tumbled like that,

641
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: they're dead.

642
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking. So I've run out.

643
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 3: So you've watched enough Honey TV to know this is

644
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 3: when they're fist pumping saying he's.

645
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 4: Down, he down.

646
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: I called my wife and I said, Honey, I just

647
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: kill him, and I'm super pumped.

648
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: And she was like, are you sure you kill him?

649
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: Instead of being.

650
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 3: Supportive, you know, she was like all wives saying, even

651
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: when you've done it so many times, that's what my

652
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 3: wife says, now.

653
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: Man, and you sure.

654
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: She got on my head back and I was like,

655
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: you know what, She's probably right. I probably didn't kill him.

656
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: He might just trip over and tumble. And then he

657
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: stood up. Well, I said, I'm gonna go look for him.

658
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: But by the time I didn't have ONIX or nothing

659
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: like that. So now I'm in the dark looking for

660
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: the spot where I was sitting on her where I

661
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: shot at deer.

662
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm with a light man and he just

663
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: the night.

664
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: There's a blood trail about this big that I just

665
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: keep walking over. No, I'm blind and looking for that

666
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: bug just walking over the signs. So I stopped, man,

667
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: and I'm about to cry again. And the thing is

668
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: did abe from here to the door. I'm a small

669
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: a point two and a half year old, a pointer,

670
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: My first dear ever a buck, and I killed him

671
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: with a bow from the ground.

672
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: After three years of trial and error, he finally killed

673
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 3: a buck. And this is when things started to change

674
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 3: for him. He had a desire to learn more, but

675
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: he needed some help.

676
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 1: I was working on this small town doing a concrete

677
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: job and this gentleman shows up. He's like, he said, hey, son,

678
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: do you want to make some money Saturday?

679
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: And we poured.

680
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: Some concrete for this gentleman and I said, yeah, absolutely,

681
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: So we got down pouring the concrete, doing the finishing

682
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Suddenly my step that calls me.

683
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: He's like, so let me show you something. Takes me

684
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: on the back mister Tony's property on his shop and

685
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: he opens the room and there is state records the

686
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: nineties bo state rekers from the nineties.

687
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 2: Big deer, big bugs.

688
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: And I'm blown away and I was like, man, where

689
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: did you kill him?

690
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: That's the first thing I got. The guys here, Yes,

691
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: he's there with he and he just smiling.

692
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: So I introduced myself, shook his hand and all that stuff,

693
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: and I said, did you sell them? Because that's what

694
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: I first thought as well. I said, he probably selled

695
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: these things, and he laughed even more. He was like, no, no, no,

696
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: I don't sell them. You know, this is throughout the

697
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: years what I have been able to Harvey. So I

698
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: was like, where do you kill him? And He's like, oh,

699
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: right out there.

700
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: You know.

701
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god, well I have

702
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: to go back to work because we're finishing the concrete.

703
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: So god damn man came back home and I was

704
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: blown away. I just couldn't stop thinking about it.

705
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: And I was like, my goodness, the size of those

706
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: bugs were phenomenal. I'm going to give me one.

707
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: This is that's I mean, we're talking about like one

708
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: under the seven inch bucks.

709
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 2: Right. All the season goes.

710
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: By, no success, So I go until Rick, Rick, do

711
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: you remember that gentleman that we talked to, mister Tony Myers?

712
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 2: I said yeah, I said, do you remember where he lived?

713
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: He said, uh, I don't know. I said, does he

714
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: still living in that place? He said, I don't know.

715
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: And I said, well, I know how the conky looks

716
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: like because I was the one who pour it, and

717
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: I had a really good visual of how the house

718
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: it is. Something is going to happen. I'm gonna find

719
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: mister Tony or I'm gonna end up shot. So I

720
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: went all the way back and I was like, this

721
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: is the house, man, and I pull up knock on

722
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: the front door.

723
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: Nobody came out, and I was about to give up,

724
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: and I said, no, hold on, I remember. I remember

725
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: we walked.

726
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: On the backside, and I was like, ah, here we go, yeah,

727
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: fixing the catch a nine or a thirty eight. You know,

728
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: as I'm fixing the deer, walk on the backside.

729
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: Knock on the door. Miss Donna, his wife, she comes out.

730
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 2: She's like can I help you? And I was like, hey,

731
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if you remember me.

732
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: She was like no, I Doug, but Donny is honting

733
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: he'd be back later on. I waited for mister Tony

734
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: outside man, and then he came back in and.

735
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 2: I was like, mister Tony.

736
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, buddy, I remember you, amazing, and

737
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: then we start talking and and he just kind of

738
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: like start giving me a different point of view, because

739
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: this man, you have to remember, this is a grown

740
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: man with the experience of a five year old on

741
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: the woods.

742
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 2: He said, do you know how to read a map? Know, sir?

743
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: Do you know how to look for your feet trees?

744
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 2: I have no clue. What is that?

745
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: I have no idea. So he's like, ad, so this

746
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: is this is a white oak, this is a red old.

747
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: Then that's when I realized, like, if I really want

748
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: to get into this, I'm gonna have to.

749
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 2: Go for it.

750
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 3: So this guy is in this. This is the second

751
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 3: time you've met him. You were doing concrete at his house. Yeah,

752
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 3: second time that you've met him, and he's like really

753
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: opening up to you.

754
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 4: Yes, he's like brought you into his house.

755
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:17,959
Speaker 3: Yeah.

756
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: Man, that's the that's the craziest thing ever. Mister Donny

757
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: took me in like.

758
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 4: Literally, and so you're standing back around all these.

759
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: Looking around, and he was like, buddy, I need you

760
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: to understand. That's the first thing that.

761
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: He told me.

762
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: He said, this has been a lifetime of honey, and

763
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: I've been very lucky and very blissed. He said, you

764
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna kill one. He was trying to be optimistic

765
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: with me. He said, you're gonna kill one, but you

766
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: have to understand that this is a process and he

767
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: has to be respected. You cannot rush you. And I

768
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, we are into something right here. M

769
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: That's when he's took me straight in too basic feed trees.

770
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: I have no clue what a feed tree. Trying to

771
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: buying a book is this trees and bushes from Alabama

772
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: so I could get familiar with the species because I

773
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: have no clue.

774
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: God done with that.

775
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: He says, do you know anything about the mating season

776
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: the roods?

777
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 2: And I was like, not really.

778
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 3: Hey, let me stop your Yeah, I want to go

779
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 3: I want to go back, and I'm gonna. I think

780
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 3: it's like to me, the social dynamic of him inviting

781
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 3: a stranger into his home, Yeah.

782
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 4: I think that. I think that's really cool.

783
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: You've also entered into like almost a secret society almost

784
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 3: that maybe you're not even aware of that. People would

785
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 3: be secretive often about their success and how they hunt,

786
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 3: and I think that's probably less today than it's ever

787
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: been because of the Internet. And it's like, but at

788
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 3: the same time, this must be a pretty extraordinary guy,

789
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: I would say, because if you I bet, if you

790
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: would have done that ten times to ten different people

791
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 3: that had big trophy rooms with white tailed deer and

792
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: you walked up knocked on their door.

793
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 4: Nine of those ten would have been.

794
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 2: Like ten out of ten, get out of here.

795
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean this guy, this guy is special.

796
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 1: Mister Tunney, mister Dounney's it's nothing but a good old

797
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: country boy.

798
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying?

799
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: Like like he's a Christian, a great man, and I

800
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: guess he's so in these younger man Maybe he's so

801
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: something that nobody else did.

802
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.

803
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: I don't know how to explain it.

804
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 4: How old were you at that time?

805
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm what twenty six, twenty five, twenty six somewhere in there.

806
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,479
Speaker 4: And at this time as your English, it's good.

807
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: I mean he hasn't never been pretty good, you know

808
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: what I've You know, I'm fluent the noough where we

809
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: can have these kind of conversations and all that. But

810
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: you know, I'm always going to have an accent. I

811
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: just don't know how goot raight of I won't be

812
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: able to get rid of.

813
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 2: You know, That's what it is.

814
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 1: And I guess mister Tony says this desperation on my face.

815
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: So mister Tony go ahead and gives me his his

816
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: teachings a little bit at the time, right while introduced

817
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: me to some other local agents like mister Jamie McKay,

818
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 1: mister Michael Perry.

819
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 2: Then the ball keeps wrong.

820
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 3: He starts introducing yes, his friends, Yes that he thinks

821
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: can help you.

822
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: Yes, I cannot name everybody on this list, you know,

823
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: because this podcast it will be two days long. But

824
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: it was like a snowball effect where everybody was trying

825
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 1: to help me a little bit. And trust me, Clay,

826
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 1: I never wanted a free ride, but I really wanted

827
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: to learn the only thing that I was like, I

828
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: was craving, like desperate for the knowledge. But especially was

829
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: on the Woodsman's ships. And you have to remember, like

830
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: we just mentioned, you know, topography and seasons, completely different habitats.

831
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: I was coming into a bran new into a bran

832
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: new place, and I was like, they are reading in

833
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: between the lines, and I don't even know where the

834
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: line begins. Like I don't even know where the lines start.

835
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: So I need to understand how to get this straight.

836
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: So my thing was they knowledge. That's what I wanted

837
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: to know, especially when They're like, oh man, this white

838
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: oak is fixing a drop, And I was like, what

839
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: is a white oak? And what is it gonna drop?

840
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: I was gonna drop acorns? And what about acorns is

841
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: a very valuable source of fuel nutrients? Some people are

842
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: gonna argue that it does and it doesn't, but the

843
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 1: deer is gonna eat it. And how do you hunt

844
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: these places? Well, access routes and what about access route?

845
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: Then you got fun, you got terrimials? What is a termoil?

846
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 3: This is pretty phenomenal that mister Tony and these guys

847
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: gathered around and helped Pablo like they did. They literally

848
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: took him into the woods and started to teach him

849
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: how to hunt. But he wasn't looking for a handout.

850
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 3: He wanted to learn so he could go do it

851
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 3: on his own. So all the while that he's being mentored,

852
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 3: he's out trying to kill more deer by himself, and

853
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: he's coming back and reporting to his mentors, and gradually

854
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 3: he starts.

855
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 4: To kill more and more deer.

856
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 3: But this next story really gives a data point on

857
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: what it's like to start from zero.

858
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: I never own a high power rifle in my life,

859
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: nor a gun. Ain't my life. Rt it down to beaveryone.

860
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: So Rick and my mother Flora Christmas, they come home.

861
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: They're like, someone, we got a pressent for you.

862
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: This is Remington.

863
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: Seven thirty or six, and I'm losing my mind. I'm static,

864
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: like I can't believe this is what you're gonna use

865
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: for honey. I said, great, Well, thanks to the Good Lord.

866
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: The first few seasons, I didn't kill anything because apparently,

867
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: you know, you got to follow some state rules when

868
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: it comes to like seasons for rifles on this area,

869
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: and all that, thanks to God, never happened. Then I learned,

870
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 1: like I was like, okay, keep having issues throughout the years, man,

871
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 1: I keep missing, man, what happened?

872
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: You know, just kind of.

873
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: Like we're straight up honesty right here. So I get

874
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: with Daniel Williams and I'm talking with him. He's like,

875
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: go right here in this spot, man, it's a lot

876
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 1: of good actions.

877
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 2: So I get to it.

878
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: There's a good scrape, I mean, war out, I said, great,

879
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: climb up. Two hours later, three hours later, five those

880
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: came up, and man, I let him go boom. You know,

881
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: good she piles She didn't pile up. She just kinda

882
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: like hunch over and lay down on the side. So

883
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: I said, good she did. So I text Daniel and

884
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: I said, Daniel, I just shot a dough.

885
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: He was like, what are you dude? What are you dune?

886
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: What are you shooting dollars for? Is this? This is

887
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: the rot? You know?

888
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: So I was like, god, you know, he's He's right,

889
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: dang it.

890
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: There ain't nothing that I can do about it now.

891
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 1: But next thing I know, she stands up, takes off running,

892
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: and I end up unloading twelve shots, well, eleven more

893
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: shots up to that one.

894
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 2: Four pooh pooh poom four.

895
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: More in the chamber and he looked like somebody's poping

896
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: field mines, because I mean you can see the ground.

897
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 2: Just sticks bloading all over the place, boom boom. I

898
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: don't know what. I don't know why am I music man?

899
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: So I said whatever, And I spoke with Daniel about it.

900
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: He's like, when was the last time you saw this thing?

901
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: And I was like, what are you talking about? When

902
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: was the last time did you shoot at a target?

903
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: And I was like, do you mean a there?

904
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 2: You know?

905
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: He was like, came to find out, you know that

906
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: apparently they're not like they're on the money from factory

907
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: and you have to decide him in. And so he's

908
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: a okay, let's hold on a second. When was the

909
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: last time that you clean this thing? And I say,

910
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: how you cleaning the rifle? Keep in mind he's been

911
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: with me for ten years, none stop missing and shooting, right,

912
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: So we look at like I said, man, we look

913
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: at the barrel through the light.

914
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 2: He pulled the ball down.

915
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: And look and he looks like the entrance of a

916
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: coal mine. They just go over up with all kinds

917
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: of grime and dirt. And so that day I learned

918
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: a very valuable lesson that It was like, you have

919
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: to take care of your guns. And so we went

920
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: to well, got to clean, got it all, and go

921
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: to the rifle range and at one hundred yards, I,

922
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: I'm not hitting the paper, like there's no talent what

923
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: the thing was? So we backed it up to twenty

924
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: five and I was hitting like in the top of

925
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: the paper.

926
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 4: That is a funny story.

927
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 3: And I mean, how would you know that a scope

928
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: rifle didn't come from the factory sided in unless somebody

929
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 3: told you.

930
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 4: I think there are a lot of things that we

931
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 4: take for granted.

932
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 3: But mister Tony and a big crew of the generous

933
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 3: Alabama men continue to mentor Pablo, and the lessons start

934
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 3: taking root.

935
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: So this is a new piece that I never been

936
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: to before. And you have a trail, man, and uh

937
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: walk all the way. Well, there's a dead end and

938
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: there's a swamp, and I'm talking about like cat tails,

939
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: you know, head high previage head and you name it.

940
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: I was like, let me just venture a little.

941
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 2: Bit into it.

942
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: It has to be a way through because I could

943
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: see way down you owner room the backside. I could

944
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: see the trees, like big trees. So I was like,

945
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: that has to be solid ground.

946
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: There was.

947
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: I didn't have onntings at the time, and I didn't

948
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: know how to get to on the other side because

949
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: it was no road access from the other side. So

950
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: I said, man, I'm just gonna power through. And I

951
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: started walking on that swamp. Well out of nowhere there

952
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: was a trail, a small trail. Something's been going through here.

953
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's raccoons or whatever. Something that's

954
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: been going through here. Now, keep this in mind, is

955
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: a wetline, right, and I have hunting.

956
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: Boots, not rubber boots.

957
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: Suddenly I'm all the way up to knee high on water.

958
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: So I'm walking all the way up. The trail gets

959
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: a little bit wider, and I just kept walking and

960
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: I was like, let's see how far I can go

961
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: to bow my hand back back on my back. At

962
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 1: the time, I'm already introduced with the saddle being more

963
00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: comfortable and all that stuff. So I'm walking with my

964
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: whole gear, thinking I'm fixing a set up this evening,

965
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: and it's and suddenly it's getting a little deeper. Now

966
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: I'm like halfway through my times, right So I was like, man,

967
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: hold on a second, let me see how deep it

968
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: is right here. And I said, I'm kind of like

969
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: a feeling with my food.

970
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 2: Man.

971
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, I'm completely submerged, Like I'm submerged

972
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know what's happening. And I got my

973
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: boat in my hand and I'm trying to reach out

974
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: for out of the surface underwater. No, I'm under water,

975
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: and I'm jumping just to gap somewhere. And I was like,

976
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: if I let go my boat, it's going to disappear.

977
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: If I let go my pack, it's going to be disappear.

978
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 2: Man.

979
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: I don't know how I was able to grab a

980
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: tree like a steak that it was just out there

981
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: and I was able to pull myself back to short.

982
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 2: I said, Okay, that's not the way to go. And

983
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: this is the crazy thing.

984
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: You will not notice that, like I said, it would

985
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: just stay whole rather so.

986
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 4: A beer hole.

987
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 2: Right.

988
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I learned how to like go around the kpwalking.

989
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: Man. I siled for the evening.

990
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: I was gonna come back home because I was soaking

991
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 1: with and it was cold, and I was like, heck

992
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: with it, man, it's what it is.

993
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 2: Might as well let's go ahead and sit down this

994
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 2: evening see if we can see something. Well, A spike comes.

995
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 4: Out and man, I drew climbed the tree.

996
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: No, I sat on the ground, yes, because I was,

997
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: like I said, sucking with my phone was dead.

998
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 2: I was just there.

999
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: A spike comes out and I drill and kill him

1000
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: with my bowl. Man, and I'm pumped. I mean, I

1001
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: was like, let's go, you know, soaking with I'm cold.

1002
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 1: Forget all that. I just kill another bug, right, a spike.

1003
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: Some people would say like, no, let him go, no

1004
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: kill spike. I'm not ashamed. I will kill a spike.

1005
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: So like everybody used to said that, I was on

1006
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: the Spike Management University, you know, because I just keep

1007
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: racking up his spikes.

1008
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 3: I think this story shows Pablo's grit to keep hunting

1009
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 3: even though he was soaking wet.

1010
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 4: Not many people would have done that. That was a

1011
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 4: few years back.

1012
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 3: Here Pablo tells us more about his mentorship. Things start

1013
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 3: to get serious when he starts talking about his perspective

1014
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 3: on America and human nature.

1015
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 2: Well, this season is over now.

1016
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: Stim just caught a scout, do some scout and it

1017
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: started walking along that mountain. Mister Michael Perry and Daniel

1018
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: Williams too. Let's let's all go hands down, you know,

1019
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: Let's let's go ahead and start looking for the signs

1020
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: that you're missing. And that's when I actually started like learning.

1021
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 4: So these guys are taking you public lands on public.

1022
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 2: This is when you're generous people, no, absolutely like.

1023
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: And the worst thing is that at the time I

1024
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: didn't understood how much or how big this was. I

1025
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: was just like a sponge observing everything that they were saying.

1026
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted. I just want to know, how

1027
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: what do you guys do? How do y'all get so

1028
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: good at and all these things that I feel that

1029
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: what I believe is they just kind of like took

1030
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 1: my game from from like from like being on zero

1031
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: all the way to being maybe like in a low

1032
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: intermediate where I'm at now, where I kind of understand

1033
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 1: what I do and I kind of see the things

1034
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: that I didn't before. This is pretty much the result

1035
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: of everybody else that has helped me in one way

1036
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: or another, navigating my way through the woods, you know,

1037
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: like to the point where, like what we say downside,

1038
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: if you can kill them down south, you can kill

1039
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 1: them anywhere else, you know, to the point where now

1040
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm applying on out of state tags, where I'm expanding

1041
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: my horizon where I'm able to like keep living this

1042
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: dream man that I just don't want to.

1043
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: Wake up from.

1044
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 1: Like that, I open my eyes every morning and I'm like, yes,

1045
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: thank you God. With everything we complain about, with everything

1046
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: that we fuss, we are living somebody else's dream life.

1047
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: Somebody else would die for live where we are living, you.

1048
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: Know, And unfortunately there's a lot of entitlement and a

1049
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: lot of times the people don't realize like this is

1050
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: the greatest country of the world, like in every single aspect,

1051
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 1: and we have to be able to be more thankful

1052
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: for the things that we have and quit asking for

1053
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: everything the way that we do, because now I'm on

1054
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: the same boat.

1055
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 3: You know.

1056
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: It's contagious, and a lot of times to try to

1057
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: pull that eat break and remind myself this is where.

1058
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 2: You're coming from and this is where you are. You

1059
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 2: got to remember, you.

1060
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: Know, And and then I come back and just kind

1061
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: of like I realized, like, yeah, it's entitledment these contagious

1062
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: you know.

1063
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 3: Human nature is so interesting because we quickly calibrate to

1064
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 3: the circumstances and it's almost like people need.

1065
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 4: To have a problem, yes, you know.

1066
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 3: So it's like if you're living at this level and

1067
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 3: your problems are really existential, like a lot of poverty

1068
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 3: and no jobs and maybe no food, there's you know,

1069
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 3: you're discontent, and then its scales at every level. So

1070
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 3: I'm not just talking about you know, I'm talking about

1071
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 3: me too. I Mean, if twenty years ago you told

1072
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 3: me where I was going to be now, I would

1073
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 3: be like, no way. But then now I still have

1074
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 3: problems that I think are big. But what I'm here

1075
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 3: and you say, and with your story it's so poignant,

1076
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 3: is that you've lived in two worlds that were.

1077
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: Stuff different because I get a different perspective than everybody

1078
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: else has. We're never gonna have enough time to you know,

1079
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: thank God for the things that we do, the things

1080
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: that we have, right, but on these cases, look around

1081
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: and look.

1082
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 2: The way that we look, the way that we live.

1083
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: What a privilege is to have a job that you

1084
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: can complain about. What a privilege is to open your

1085
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: closet and not knowing what to wear because you have

1086
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: so much. This is the perspective from an outsider that

1087
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: I now. I realized all this stuff, and it's it's

1088
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: like a reminder for me all the time. What a

1089
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: privilege not knowing what to eat because there's so much

1090
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: that we can eat and we can choose. Right, once

1091
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: again claiming with everything that we complain, we leave somebody

1092
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: else dream life and we do not appreciate what we

1093
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: have because we take it for granted. And I'm including

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Speaker 1: myself in that category. Man, I'm not making enough money. Man,

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Speaker 1: I don't have the newest struck. Man, I ain't killing

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Speaker 1: the biggest book. So I feel this Sometimes we just

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Speaker 1: got to stop for a moment, just stop and look

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Speaker 1: around and just remember that there's always somebody you know,

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Speaker 1: very very bad shape compared with you.

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Speaker 2: You know, just be more grateful. That's that's it. Just

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Speaker 2: be more grateful.

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Speaker 3: Last year Pablo had the best deer season of his life.

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Speaker 3: He tagged out on bucks in Alabama on public land

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Speaker 3: and traveled out of the state and killed a buck

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Speaker 3: in Mississippi, and a couple of those bucks were really nice,

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Speaker 3: like one hundred and twenty inch type deer. Pablo is

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Speaker 3: an incredible guy, what an incredible story. I'm so grateful

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Speaker 3: to him for telling it to us. As we close,

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Speaker 3: I'd like to throw out some food for thought. When

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Speaker 3: I think about Pablo's story, it could be siloed into

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Speaker 3: a single conclusion that his life was made so much

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Speaker 3: better because he moved to America, kind of seeing it

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Speaker 3: as this place saved him, and from an external framework

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Speaker 3: it did. He has a nicer house, a nicer truck,

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Speaker 3: more upward mobility. But as valuable as those things are,

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Speaker 3: here's the big question is that the most accurate way

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Speaker 3: to gauge the human existence is it gauged on a

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Speaker 3: quality of life that is simply driven by economics. If so,

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Speaker 3: America is the greatest nation on earth. But I think

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Speaker 3: to truly evaluate human life. We've got to look at

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Speaker 3: a bigger, more complex question. I recently heard somebody say

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Speaker 3: that wherever there is economic prosperity and blessing, spirits shrivel,

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Speaker 3: but where there is poverty and suffering, spirits grow. I

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Speaker 3: think Pablo's roots gave him something that is very hard

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Speaker 3: to get unless you've been near the bottom. I can't

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Speaker 3: thank you enough for listening to Bear Grease prints, this

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Speaker 3: country life podcast and coming up real soon Old Lake

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Speaker 3: Pickles Backwards University. Thank you all so much, and if

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Speaker 3: you enjoyed Pablo's story, please share this podcast with a

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Speaker 3: friend and leave us a review on iTunes. Remember keep

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Speaker 3: the wild places wild, because that's where the bears live.