WEBVTT - Orthorexia + Whole30 (Outweigh) 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:04.560 Happy Saturday outweigh Fam. Merry Christmas. It's Amy here, and well, 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:06.320 I guess if you're listening to this when it actually 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:09.280 comes out, then Marry Christmas because Christmas is tomorrow. But 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:12.119 you know, podcasts you can listen to when whenever you want, 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:14.400 so who knows, it might be July when you're hearing this, 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:17.000 but if it is Christmas time, I hope you're having 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:20.000 a great holiday weekend. And I have something special for 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:23.960 you today and next Saturday, We're gonna be airing some 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:27.040 episodes from Cat de fod as you need therapy podcasts 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:29.720 that are related to body image and eating disorders. And 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:31.600 the episode I'm gonna share with you today is about 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:35.520 orthorexy and Whole thirty And I like this particular conversation 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:39.640 because I'm someone that struggled with orthorexia for a long time, 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:42.319 way before I even knew there was a name for it. 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:47.319 I was very strict with my food intake and very 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:49.919 quote unquote clean, and it had to be on my 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:52.400 list and I would freak out if it wasn't. I 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.600 would study restaurant menus before I went out to eat, 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:58.840 trying to dissect every single ingredient they could possibly be 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.640 using so that I could or the best thing to 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.319 fit my need, or honestly, I probably didn't even really 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:07.200 eat out as much because I wanted to control everything, 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:11.200 so cooking at home was my best option. So here's 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:14.880 a chat from You Need Therapy about orthorexia and whole thirty. 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:27.400 Here you go, Hi, guys, and welcome back to another 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:30.440 new episode of You Need Therapy podcast. My name is Cat, 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:33.800 and I'm glad you're here. If you're new to the podcast, 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.520 then before we get started, I just want to give 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:40.320 a quick disclaimer that even though I'm a licensed therapist 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:44.000 and this podcast is called You Need Therapy, this podcast 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.960 does not stand to serve as a replacement or a 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:51.400 substitute for actual mental health services or therapy itself. But 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:53.960 you know, like I always like to say, it might 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.200 encourage you to go to therapy, or it might encourage 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.279 you to look at something different or in a different 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.160 way if you're already in therapy. That is really what 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.480 my hope is for this whole thing. Now today I'm 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:07.480 doing a solo episode again and we are talking about 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:11.560 something more in line with what I specialize in as 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:15.359 a therapist, and we're gonna be talking about orthorexia. I've 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.280 touched on this before on the podcast, but we are 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.200 going to talk about a little bit more in depth today. 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:25.119 And if you are unfamiliar with what orthorexia is, it's 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:29.160 a type of disordered eating where someone becomes obsessed with 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:32.960 the health of foods. Orthorexia is not yet recognized in 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.880 the d s M itself alone, which the d s 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:39.440 M is the Diagnostic Statistical Manual for mental health disorders, 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:43.480 but regardless of that, this type of obsession of food 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:48.000 can lead to an official diagnosis of eating disorders that 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:50.640 are already in there. You can be diagnosed with an 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:52.320 eating disorder in a couple of different ways, which we 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:54.400 don't need to go into, but this can lead to 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:58.440 one of those really easily. And again, in its simplest terms, 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:03.320 orthorexia mean an obsession with healthy eating, and someone who 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:07.560 might develop orthorexia most likely doesn't start out being obsessed 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.639 or start out wanting to develop something that is a 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:15.520 year bad or unhelpful. But things can take pretty fast turns. 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:19.000 And it's not just due to reasons associated with the individual, 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:22.320 like having an addictive personality. It's very much connected to 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.280 our culture and the messaging companies and brands use to 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:29.119 attract an illicit business, and the manipulation involved and how 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.840 diet culture sells their ideals and products in order to 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.520 push business. So we're gonna talk about this, and before 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.080 I get into any of the things that come with 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:40.560 our culture and some of the stuff that's pushed towards 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:45.040 us that kind of like impact or influence or even 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:49.080 just like highlight orthorexia as a good thing, We're going 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:51.120 to talk about what it might look like. Just so 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.360 if you know somebody or you yourself you're like, oh, 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:55.480 I don't know, if I'm like teetering on that line. 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:58.680 This is some of the things that um come with 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:01.960 having this type of disordered eating. And I'm taking these 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.920 straight from Nita's website. So that's the National Eating Disorder Association, 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.720 so NEEDA dot com. So we're go, I'm gonna just 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:10.240 want to credit that back to them. These are not 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:11.960 my words. So if you're like, you don't know what 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:16.520 you're talking about, well, I took this from the professional professionals. Okay. 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.680 So this would be compulsive checking of ingredients lists and 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:24.320 nutrition labels, an increase in concern about the health of ingredients, 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.280 cutting out an increasing number of food groups like all sugar, 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.640 all carves, all dairy, all meat, all animal products. And 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.880 again one of these doesn't elicit orthodoxia, like if you're 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:37.960 just like I'm a vegetarian or I have steliacs, that 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:42.040 is not orthodoxia. It's combination with other parts of these 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:44.680 and the why behind your doing it. Also, and inability 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.000 to eat anything but a narrow group of foods that 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:50.920 are deemed healthy or pure or clean or good. Unusual 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:52.880 interest in the health of what other people are eating 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:56.760 and how they're fueling and feeding themselves, spending hours per 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.760 day thinking about what food might be served at upcoming events, 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.320 showing high levels of distress when safe or healthy foods 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:07.440 aren't available, obsessive following of food and healthy lifestyle blogs 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:10.800 on Twitter, Instagram or any type of social media. And 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:13.200 in the past this might have looked like collecting a 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:16.520 lot of books on these things as well. And body 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.159 image concerns may or may not be there. This isn't 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:24.200 always associated with body image issues. This is specifically talking 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.600 about being highly highly concerned about the health of things 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:32.440 and the cleanliness of things and the goodness of things. 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:36.479 And when it's talking about being obsessed with like the 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:40.000 health of ingredients. It even goes down to like, not 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.400 only is it a pure food, like I don't know 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:45.400 an apple, it has to be like an organic apple 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.040 or certain type of apple because it has that apple 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:51.960 has certain ingredients and it's the best type of vitamin 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:56.320 whatever in that specific apple, or like the ripeness of something. 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.640 So I will only eat bananas if they're this color, 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:03.279 or only eat avocados if they're this firm, or it 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.720 just could get very very very specific. Now where does 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.000 this come from? And has this always been an issue 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.680 or is this new? And if it's new, why might 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.320 this be coming into our view now? So I kind 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:15.960 of love I did not do this on purpose, but 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.320 I kind of love how I wish that I've had 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.279 this much like what is it foresight into like planning, 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:23.400 but uh no, I didn't plan this, but I like 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.720 that it worked out this way. That this episode is 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:29.080 falling right after the one we did on brainwashing and cults, 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.720 because as I discussed in that episode, I talked about 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.839 how people can't just be brainwashed unless there's some part 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.200 of them that wants to believe what it is they 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:41.640 are stepping into, and most people who end up looking 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.440 like they were brainwashed by a cult. Start the process 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.720 with really good intentions. They want a better life. In 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.239 this case, in the case of order xia, the cult 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.000 of clean eating, these people are simply wanting to fit 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.800 in in society. They want to avoid current or future 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:59.040 health complications. They want to feel more confident or comfortable 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.560 in their own body. Like the list goes on, there 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:05.799 are very good reasons for walking into what might set 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:09.679 somebody up to developing this kind of disordered eating. In fact, 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.880 every single person I've ever talked to that has experienced 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:16.679 this reports it starting out in a positive way, starts 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.360 out on like taking care of themselves in a more 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.880 intentional way. And how many of us out there have 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:26.920 heard how the food we eat affects our health? Of us? 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.320 The issue is not that that's false. The issue is 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:33.400 to what extent does it affect our health? And how 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:35.640 do we know? Like, where are we getting this information? 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:38.600 And how far are we willing to go? If clean 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.920 eating promises a life free of any ailments plus happiness, 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:44.040 I would for sure give it a second take. But 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.640 does it, Like does it really? Where is the data 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:50.320 that shows us that? And how much does eating clean 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.680 impact the quality of our life and how much does 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.480 eating clean take away the quality of our life? And 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.800 I just want to give this disclaimer. I hate the 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.000 term eating clean, but for the sake of what we're 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.320 going to talk about, I'm going to keep using that 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:06.160 term for this episode because I think that that could 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:10.120 have so many different meanings and interpretations and problems in itself. 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:12.760 And that's part of the reason why. I mean, we'll 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:14.920 get into it later, but I talk about the equaling 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.520 diet anyhow, this is one of those things that you 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.280 have to look at. How do we balance our mental 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.320 and physical health. How do we not just look at 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:25.280 one of them, and how do we look at them combined. 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.320 We have to work together on this because if we 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.040 can avoid joint pain by cutting out three food groups, 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.680 but then we develop an anxiety disorder, are we helping 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.440 ourselves or hurting ourselves? Like? Where is the line in 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.480 which one is the bigger issue? And does it have 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.680 to be one or the other? Now a bigger problem 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.840 arises also for those who have the biological, social, and 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:51.320 psychological precursors for developing and eating disorder. These seemingly innocent 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.000 and helpful lifestyle changes that are included in some of 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:58.880 what diet culture sends us as like good things to 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:02.280 do to like take care of yourself, can actually have 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:07.520 very opposite effects, especially as the diet, wellness, and beauty 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:13.320 industries continue to reap the enormous financial benefits of these 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:17.480 humans growing addictions to their content. I remember back when 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:21.000 I began getting like super into health and fitness in college, 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.000 I was a super super heavy follower of this woman 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.320 named Tausca Reno or Reno. I don't actually even know 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:29.240 how to say her name correctly, and she, like I 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.160 was mentioned earlier as I was saying eat clean. She 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.439 had this book called The Eat Clean Diet. I bought 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:37.640 her cookbooks. I became engulfed in the principles of her 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.040 clean eating and how they promised things that I now 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.400 know are literally not connected to each other at all. 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:50.120 Things like happiness, things like finding love, self love, and 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.560 like a fulfilling life. Those are not attached to the 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:57.840 foods you're eating. Finding love and like practicing self love 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.040 and being happy are not connect did with cutting sugar 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.920 out of your diet seems really simple to say now 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:06.440 or maybe not? Maybe like yes, they are. We're going 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:08.880 to talk about why you might think that during this episode, 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:11.560 and I actually went to her website and read her 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.720 bio while I was preparing for this episode, and the 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:18.559 last paragraph of her bio literally had me laughing out loud. 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:21.840 And her life is actually a bit tragic, and it 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.199 seems that since my unfollowing of her and her brand, 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.960 she's been through some like really tough stuff. And that's 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:31.240 not what I was laughing about. There's actually not one 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.000 funny thing about the trajectory of her life, and I 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:36.520 do have a lot of empathy for her. What made 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:41.400 me laugh is the fierce dedication to connect her emotional 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:45.480 resilience to a diet or in reality, her commitment to 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:49.160 doing whatever it takes to keep her business in brand alive, 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:53.720 even if that includes using manipulative, attractive statements that have 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:57.680 the ability to draw in vulnerable people while making impossible 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:01.720 promises of a better life. Also spoiler alert, when the 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.959 promises don't actually work that these people talk about, when 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:08.040 they don't come true, it ends up being the individual's fault, 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.520 not the fact that what they were promised was impossible, 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:21.080 as in, you're a failure, not the program. So I 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.640 just want to read the last paragraph her bio because 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.079 I just need you guys to hear what I'm talking about, 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.160 she says, or whoever wrote this says. The challenges I 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.880 have endured make me an expert in these areas. I 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.200 know what it is to lose a husband whom I 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:38.080 love deeply, to cancer. I know what it is to 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:40.560 lose a step son. I know what it means to 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.760 face bankruptcy and to worry how to pay the rent 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:46.520 or eat. I know what it feels like to lose 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.440 your way. These things make me an expert. And this 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.840 is what I bring to you now. Along with my 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:55.360 clean living principles, I can help you. I bring you 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.480 the elixir of life. What I hear in her words 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:02.080 are the elixir of how to build resilience, how to 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:04.439 get over all these trials and tribulations, how to enjoy 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:08.360 your life through pain, heartache, tough things. Are my clean 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.880 eating principles. So there's that and the clean eating diet. 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:13.880 And I was all for that at one point. And 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:17.679 I remember in that time, I also digging up these 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:21.719 memories of watching the documentary Forks over Knives and the 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.920 fear that was instilled in me and experiencing this dilemma 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.280 around eating meat, And how was I going to be 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.480 a vegetarian even though I didn't want to be. But 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.079 like now, after watching that documentary, I thought I was 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.000 going to get all these diseases, And also like, am 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:35.800 I the problem? And I'm a bad person because I'm 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:38.240 eating these things? And how do I become a crusader 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:42.360 and in the anti animal eating business and all of that? 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.240 And so I have the clean eating fear instilled in 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.200 me and I want to, you know, live my best 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.120 life in that area. And then I have the people 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:52.400 who are telling me that I'm the problem when it 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.000 comes to like animal slaughtery and all of that, which 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:57.840 I will say, there's probably some truth to a lot 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:02.720 of the poor care that is put into how animals 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:07.240 are processed for human consumption. I'm not an expert in that, 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.800 and I'm not saying I am, but I'm just saying 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:12.600 at this time in my life, I was consuming all 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.520 of this different information that was creating a lot of 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:17.720 fear in what I was eating, how I was eating, 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:19.880 how I was going to be a good person and 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:23.760 also be the healthiest, best person at the same time. 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:27.680 And speaking of being a vegetarian, I was also recently 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.000 reminded by a book from the past by a client 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.080 that luckily I haven't actually read this book. I am 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:35.120 very grateful that I did not read this book at 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.400 this time. But I ended up doing some research on 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.640 the book because of what I was talking about with 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:45.080 my client, and I was shocked, but at the same 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.840 time not shocked by what I found. And I'm talking 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.800 about the Skinny Bitch diet, which is a fad diet 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:55.480 basically veganism at its core. But this book, Skinny Bitch 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:59.520 is written by a model one and an animal advocate 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:03.959 and a model ling agent, so Kim I don't know 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.240 how to say her last name, barn new In, and 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:11.480 then Rory Freedman created this and this book I somehow 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:13.840 found like a PDF of the whole book online, which 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:15.560 I don't know if that's normal, but I found it 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:17.720 and I started reading through it, and the first thing 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:22.760 I noticed is the constant language that they use, and 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.400 the demeaning and degrading language they use, and the terms 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:29.440 they use like don't be a fat pig anymore, And 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:33.040 they try to motivate you to follow this diet using 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.600 this language, and it's very shame based, and to me, 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.640 it was very off putting, but it also I think 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.360 that depending on the spot in life, you might be 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:45.440 that shame might force you into something because you don't 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:46.840 want to be a fat pig and they're telling you 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:49.280 that that's bad. Now, I want to introduce you to 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:53.160 one particular paragraph for reference of this book, and uh, 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:55.640 this one. Literally I sent it to so many people 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:57.480 and was like, can you believe this was written? And 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.400 people soaked this up. The title of this chap where 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.480 this excerpt came from, is called you are what You Eat, 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.000 And I was talking all about how like you shouldn't 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.400 eat animal products because of how the animals are prepared, 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:12.040 very similar to the Fork over Knives documentary, but this 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.760 was just a very different delivery where that one kind 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.400 of tore on my heartstrings and this one just made 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.840 me feel like a shitty person. And also like I 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.840 was very scared. And they write, I think of how 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.560 you feel when you're angry, afraid, and grief stricken. Bear 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:29.360 in mind the physical feelings that accompany these emotions. These 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:33.080 emotions fear, grief, and rage produce chemical changes in our bodies. 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.640 They do the same to animals. Their blood pressures rise, 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:41.440 adrenaline courses through their bodies. You are eating high blood pressure, 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:46.320 stress and adrenaline. You're eating fear, grief and rage. You 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:51.240 are eating suffering, horror, and murder. You're eating cruelty. You 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.280 are what you eat. You cannot be thin and beautiful 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:58.720 with a glowing complexion when you eat fear, grief and rage. 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:03.920 Y'all think about reading that and hearing that and invulnerable 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:07.320 state or really any state. The language that's used in 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.000 this book and throughout this book is some of the 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.000 most shaming, the most scary that I found, not just 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.480 in my research for kind of going through this episode, 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:18.360 but like in the existence of me working in this field. 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:20.120 I'm going to read a couple other quotes that I 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.600 found that also give a nice picture of what I'm 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.440 talking about. These are direct quotes to like, I'm almost like, 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:27.600 did I add something to the These are did I 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:29.440 make them worset to prove a point note? These are 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.760 just in the book. So here here there, Perhaps you 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:35.040 have a lumpy ask because you are preserving your fat 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.160 cells with diet soda. Whenever you see the word fat 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:41.560 free or low fat, think of the words chemical ship storm. 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.680 You are what you eat. You are a human body 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:47.120 compromised of organs, blood, and guts and other ship. The 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.240 food you put into your body works its way through 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.600 your organs and bloodstream, and it's actually part of who 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.000 you are. So every time you put crap in your body, 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.840 you are crap. Milk equals fat, butter equals fat, Cheese 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.560 equals fat. People who think these products can be low 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.840 fat or fat free equal fucking morons. And the most 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.720 confusing one that I found, Now that you're a skinny bitch, 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.639 don't turn into a skinny bitch. We conceived the title 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.280 skinny bitch to get attention and sell books, but we 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.560 are not bitches, and we have no desire to promote bitchiness. 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:19.000 There is nothing uglier than a pretty woman who's nasty. 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.640 If you look great, you should feel good about yourself 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.160 and be happy and dear God, I have so many 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:27.520 issues with that little part, especially the last one. You 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:29.720 should feel good about yourself and be happy as if 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:32.520 like looking away. It's like the message that we are 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:35.320 trying to pull away from society is that what you 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:38.000 look like does not have to have a direct impact 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:42.240 on how you feel. And also you get to decide 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.520 what looking great even looks like. But the part that's 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:49.119 confusing to me is this whole book is written in 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:52.440 the most I mean, using their language, bitchy terms. Ever, 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.800 it's a mean book. It is a mean book. But 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:59.119 then they're saying, we're not bitches. You should be happy 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.080 and essentially be like nice and kind. And it's like, 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:05.000 I don't know anybody who's developed like a kind attitude 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:09.600 and personality by being surrounded and being motivated by cruelty. 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:11.639 Correct me if I'm wrong. I just don't get how 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:15.160 that makes any sense at all. So then this leads 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:18.600 me to something that's way more mainstream and common, something 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.960 called the Whole Thirty. And this is one of my 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.720 worst memories. And I was all in. I did the 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.680 Whole Thirty like four times, and I was the person 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.320 posting about it on social media, like I have to 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:34.520 take accountability for this. I was sucked into this, like 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:36.199 I was sucked into some of these other things, not 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:38.159 the Skinny Bitch Book. But you know what, if I 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.560 would have read it, who knows. But the Whole thirty 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:42.920 is one of the most common diets I hear about 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:45.360 when I'm working with clients, Like one of the most 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.679 common diets that people are doing and have done in 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.760 a lot of ways. The Whole thirty, which is promoted 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:55.439 as not a diet. It's one of the worst diets 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:58.720 because I pretends that it's not one, but it literally is. 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:03.000 I remember getting the book and I remember specifically highlighting 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:06.280 the part where they said, oh my gosh, this memory 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:08.600 it brings back like feelings, like all throughout my body. 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.560 But I remember specifically highlighting and like sending this quote 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:14.240 to people because I thought it was so great, and 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.639 it's where they said, this is not hard. Don't you 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.400 dare tell us this is hard. Quitting heroine is hard, 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:23.000 Beating cancer is hard. Drinking your coffee black is not hard. 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:26.320 And as a mental health professional, even though I don't 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:28.000 think you have to be a mental health professional to 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:31.000 know this, but as one, I know that one of 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:35.679 the easiest ways to become obsessed with a food and 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.320 to make it really hard to not eat it is 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:41.080 to tell yourself you can't have it. So this literally 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:44.280 is the definition of hard. And even with that, it's 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:48.080 an unnecessary This is an unnecessary program. And I bring 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:51.080 all these things up because the pedestal that these programs 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.200 and the people involved in them have been put on 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:58.119 has undoubtedly played an active role in the increase of orthorexia, 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.360 and the minimization of the neg of effects of all 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:05.280 of the stuff, in my opinion, and the pointlessness of them. 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:08.320 A lot of these programs are pointless, and I'll get 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:11.199 more into that towards the end of this conversation. But 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.240 it is not a secret that diet culture continuously ties 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:17.280 the path to hope, happiness, and all the things that 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:20.760 you want to whatever it is selling programs like the 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.240 Whole Thirty, do you double, because not only do they 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:26.359 use this to reel you in, then they incorporate both 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.400 shame and fear to keep you there in a way 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:32.760 that is very attractive. And again this goes to the 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:34.760 clean eating thing that I was talking about in the beginning. 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:36.960 When it doesn't work out the way it was in 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:40.240 quote supposed to, it ends up being your fault. So 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.520 maybe you should try it again, or you call yourself 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:45.520 a loser and you succumb to the idea that you'll 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:47.680 never have the body you want, so then you'll never 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.359 get those things that were promised either, like the happiness 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.080 and the good life. And since the Whole thirty is 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:56.040 one of the most popular non diet diets I hear 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:58.040 about as a therapist. I want to spend some extra 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:00.359 time talking about it and talking about the days of 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:03.000 it and why I don't like it and why I 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:05.520 have a problem with it. And I say all this 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.359