1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Hey everybody. Hey, Hey, going back to the show. I'm 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Diana and I'm Eli. Always so wonderful to have you 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: with us and every day, always, every time, and I'm 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: so excited to be here doing another story. It's really 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: a highlight of my week. Sit down to record um 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: and that is not a diss on my week. I 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: genuinely enjoy it. The rest of my week is hell. Oh, 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: it's a good week. It's Halloween season. Hey, every week 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: is a good week. We got our decorations up up. 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: We told you we had them up last time, but 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: they weren't quite done yet. Now they are. Yes, We're excited, 12 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: even though the lawn is going to get mode tomorrow, 13 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: so I might have to move them around a little bit, 14 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: but it's fine, it needs it. I'm very excited. We 15 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: might go this week. Georgia Renaissance Fair is for the 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: first time, I believe, Yeah, having a hunt in their grounds. 17 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: And this is so cool because we always wonder what 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: the hell do they do with this place all year 19 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: when the Renaissance Air isn't going on. My friends from 20 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: high school, Emily and Sarah and I we would go 21 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: every single year. It was like our thing to go 22 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: and we always have a blast. And every year we're like, 23 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: where is my renfair after dark where you have all 24 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: the gross ship the real Renaissance going on uncensored and 25 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: there's no kids around, so you know to worry, you know, 26 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: you're just like, we're really you know, getting the real 27 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: Renaissance experience. I feel like it would be super gross 28 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: it never happened again, would be like a renaissance Freaknick, 29 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: But whatever, I am ready to see him one time 30 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: just a little. Well, before we get into this episode, 31 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: we've got some uh something important to talk about because 32 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: recently y'all served as our answering machine and gave us 33 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: some great feedback about lettering in high schools. Yes, we're 34 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: still on this lettering in high school, varsity college, all 35 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: these things where you get the letter on your jacket, 36 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: and we talked about it at length. With the information 37 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: you guys sent us, it was a lot of We 38 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: had a we had a really good time. But then 39 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: we got this message yes from Richard on Instagram. Hey, 40 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: Diana and Eli, thanks so much for the great entertaining podcast. 41 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: Thank you Richard, thank you. During the intro of the 42 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: most recent pod, you went back and answered the question 43 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: of what it means to letter in school. I'm still 44 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: not sure you answered the question. You explained that you 45 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: get a letter and or jacket and some very cute pins. 46 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: But what do you have to do to letters? Does 47 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 1: every drama student letter? Does everyone on the football team letter? 48 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: I don't understand what it takes to letter? Thanks Richard, Richard, 49 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: you blew our minds. You're right. We were like, damn, 50 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: we did not a letter either. Still, we took it 51 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: on ourselves to look it up. Yes, and we still 52 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: don't know. It turns out it's quite quite arbitrary. Each 53 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: school kind of makes the criteria for lettering. I guess. 54 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: But it seemed to be that if you were let 55 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: ring in volunteer service, it would be like a set 56 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: number of hours you had to volunteer. With athletics, it 57 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: was like you didn't miss any games, practices or events, 58 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: and you performed like you excelled in them. You were 59 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: there um. And then with drama it sounds like there's 60 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: a certain number of like events per year you have 61 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: to participate in, either on stage or in tech or 62 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: whatever our production activities, and so it would be like 63 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: two musicals to drama nights too, you know, a literary 64 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: night or you know Shakespeare or something like that, So 65 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: you would fulfill all these different criteria. But it's all 66 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: the school's kind of decide it for themselves, and then 67 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: you can either sew the letter onto your jacket or 68 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 1: some Some people frame it at home and don't wear it. 69 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: Was something else I didn't know. Some people put it 70 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: in like a shoe box somewhere, likely never to be 71 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: seen again, still bringing it with them from move to move, 72 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: well into their thirties, right right, and still in that 73 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: shoebox every few years ago. Oh yeah, hey, did you 74 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: did you know that? I lettered? And I'm across the 75 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: house like, yes I do. I didn't know that, So 76 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: hopefully we can. Seems like it's just a whole lot 77 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: of nonsense. Oh and then I forgot to mention that 78 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: with all of them, it seems like whatever you're lettering 79 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: in you must also be in good academic standing. Well 80 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: you can't. Well, they make exceptions. I think they do too. 81 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: I think they do too. U. So yeah, sorry, Richard, 82 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: you were so right about that. We did not answer 83 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: that question very well. Um, we had a great time 84 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: talking about flair though. Yeah. Well, let's not get too 85 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: lost in the past. Uh. I hope that clears it 86 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: up as well as anyone could. Um, you know, sure, well, 87 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: if you got anything else to say about it, we're 88 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: probably not going to get into it again. I'm going 89 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: to bring it up again, but we'll be happy to 90 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: hear it. Yeah, I will respond to your message with interest. 91 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: So I think we've got to get into today's story. Definitely, 92 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: um so exciting. This story was emailed to us this 93 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: summer by Vanessa. Thank you Vanessa for sending this in 94 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: and again above and beyond from Vanessa. She sent a 95 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: bunch of links to articles with it, which saved us 96 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: some time. Thanks Vanessa. Yes, now, this is kind of 97 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: a quick little story. We we don't really have much 98 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: about the early days of these people's relationship. Unfortunately, all 99 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: that's really out there is the crazy stuff. But look, 100 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: that's all we're here for anyway, right, It's enough for me. 101 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: So we had to bring this to you because it 102 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: is definitely one of those stories that really, you know, 103 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: you hear it and you just go what why? And 104 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: really that's kind of all the criteria there is here 105 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: on ridiculous romance. So yeah, let's jump right into a 106 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: story about another couple who's heinous divorce involved higher thugs, 107 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: death threat, jury trials, and a shocking ending that will 108 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: make you question the sanity of everyone involved. Perfect, Yes, 109 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: let's go, Hey the French, come listen. Well, Elia and 110 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: Diana got some stories to tell. There's no matchmaking, a 111 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: romantic tips. It's just about ridiculous relationships, a lover. It 112 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,799 Speaker 1: might be any type of person at all, and abstract 113 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: cons are a concrete wall. But if there's a story. 114 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: Were the second glance Ridiculous Rolettes a production off I 115 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. In January of nineteen fifteen, a man named 116 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: Samuel Pope Peal was born in New York City. Well, 117 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: I guess the baby was born a man from an 118 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: egg uh Samuel Pope Peal. He was one of four 119 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: children his parents had. His parents were Jewish immigrants named 120 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: Isidore and Mary Pope Peal. Now. He grew up in 121 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: Asbury Park, New Jersey, and he admired his uncle, Nathan Morris, 122 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: who was a successful salesman who eventually took on Samuel 123 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: as an apprentice. Nathan would go and demonstrate in department 124 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: stores and on the seaside boardwalk of his town, and 125 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: Samuel learned all the ins and outs of salesmanship from him. 126 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: He learned what excited people and what made them apprehensive, 127 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: and how to turn skeptics into regular customers. One of 128 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: Nathan's top selling items, according to an article in Harets, 129 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: was the Morris Metrics slicer, an old timey vegetable slicer 130 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: with this like adjustable blade that you could raise up 131 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: and down and kind of pick your thickness of whatever 132 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: you're slicing. Nifty little gadget for you know, early nineteen hundreds. 133 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: So when Samuel was seventeen, he stepped in for the 134 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: first time as a substitute for his uncle in a 135 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: department store sales pitch. He's going in with the gadgets. 136 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: He's like, I can do it, uncle, Uncle Nathan, I can. 137 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: I can put me in coach. I could sell this thing. 138 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: Let me give it a whirl. Yeah, And so he 139 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: gets up in front of the crowd, he pulls out 140 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: the Metric slicer and he's like, hey, everybody, check this out, 141 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: and he promptly almost sliced his whole finger off, and 142 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: they were all like, I don't want one. Yeah, it 143 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: looks dangerous. The potato. I guess I'll say no, thank 144 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: you so much. I don't have the numbers, but speculation station, 145 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to say they sold zero that day. But 146 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: Samuel was persistent. He kept at it, and before long 147 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: he was as slick a salesman as anybody, largely because 148 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: he became so good at demonstrating those items. You know what. 149 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: He had his first misstep, but then he hit his 150 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: stride and yeah, got really good at it. Maybe that's 151 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: what gave him the determination, like never again. He was like, 152 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: I'm so embarrassed. How could you? He spit on himself 153 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: in here? He had this energy. In nine, Samuel and 154 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: his brother Raymond set up their own company and also 155 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: started selling kitchen gadgets. His competition is a spirit of 156 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: invention after all, I mean, Shelley is a friendly family rivalry. 157 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: No no problem around Thanksgiving time. Thanks for teaching me everything, 158 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: you know, uncle, Now I'm going to put you out 159 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: of business, all right. And a couple of years later, 160 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: Samuel and Raymond took their company, Pope Hell Brothers, out 161 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: to Chicago, Illinois. There's an article from Carnegie Museum that 162 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: says that Samuel quote unlike his contemporaries reversed the relationship 163 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: between product design and marketing in a way that tapped 164 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: into the consumer psyche like never before tried or accomplished. 165 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: So basically, you know business basics. You find a need, 166 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, with your customer, your potential customer, you invent 167 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: something to address that in eat and then you sell 168 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: it to them. Sure, and you're fulfilling their need. And 169 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: everyone's happy. Yeah, because I'm a customer and I'm like, oh, 170 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: thank goodness, you've got the thing that I've been waiting for. 171 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: I'll buy that the thing I was already waiting for. Well, 172 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: Samuel was like, what if I just make something and 173 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: then tell you you needed it all along, even though 174 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: you really don't. And wow, did it work? Oh my goodness, 175 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: it worked. Nobody needs a knife that can cut through 176 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: a tin can or slice the tomato paper thin or 177 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: anything like that, but he convinced people that they did, 178 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: and they bought millions of his inventions. Well I didn't 179 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: think I needed that, but now that you show it 180 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: to me, yeah, I do like spending money on stuff 181 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: aside from food and you know, things I need for 182 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: my job. I don't think I've bought anything that I 183 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: need in many years. It's all stuff that I've been 184 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: told I need. I'm sure, yeah, yeah, I need. I 185 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: need a galaxy light. I need a mask for my foot. 186 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: So when i take it off, it's all black and 187 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, we got all the toxins. Do you 188 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: remember those? It's like a couple of years ago is 189 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: a big trend. It was like, I add all over 190 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: my news feed and several other people as we were 191 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: talking about it for a while. Interesting, it's very weird 192 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: looking ship. And I was like, oh, sure because they 193 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: were like, oh, your toxins come out through your feet 194 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: well of course for something and we absorbed them whatever, 195 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: and I was like, what is this wizardry? So there's 196 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: not a ton of information out there about Samuel's early 197 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: days beyond that kind of like we said, there's even 198 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: less information about his first marriage to a woman named 199 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: Julia Schwartz, but together he and Julia gave birth to 200 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: a son in nineteen thirty five named Ron Pope Peel. 201 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: When Ron was six years old, Samuel and Julia divorced, 202 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: and little Ron went to go live with his grandparents 203 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: in Florida. Now, in the early days of popular television, 204 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: in the nineteen forties, Samuel started purchasing ad space and 205 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: off our spots on TV for his little seven dollars 206 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: and fifty cents per minute, which is around let's see 207 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: here transferred eighty dollars today. Can you imagine getting a 208 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: minute on TV? I would be all over TV. Yes, 209 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: I know right. You'd be like, give me thirty minutes. Now, 210 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: why are you the money? No, I can just pay 211 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: for my own TV, he would tell me. Easily. You 212 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: guys be getting the ridiculous romance TV show, that's for sure. Yeah, 213 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: it would be this, but we'd have a camera on 214 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, you'd get to look at us in 215 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: our blanket for it. So then in nineteen fifty two, 216 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: Samuel's son Ron moved back to Chicago. He was seventeen 217 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: years old, and he was going to learn the business 218 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: from his father. He was going to take his amazing 219 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: sales style, add a few of his own tricks, and 220 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: then all those tricks made Ron into a legend. At 221 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: a very young age. His father like to me, everything 222 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: you know, so I can, you know, go do my 223 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: own thing, take over the business. So in n six, 224 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: Pope Pio Brothers invented a new product that would bring 225 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: the Pope Peel name to homes across America, the chopp 226 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: oh Matic. It was about a foot tall. It had 227 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: a long handle on a spring attached to like a 228 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: zigzag blade at its base, and when you slapped the 229 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: handle on top at the base, you could chop anything 230 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: you wanted into tiny pieces. Very useful, but because it 231 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: had so many uses, it was really difficult for salesmen 232 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: to carry around everything they needed to truly show off 233 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: what the Choppo Mattic could do. Because you know, this 234 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: is like demonstration era sales, and you had to go 235 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: to stores and set up a whole thing, or you 236 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: can go to door to door or whatever. So imagine 237 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: rolling up with your briefcase and you pull out the 238 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: Choppo Matic and also a cutting board, a bundle of carrots, 239 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: some celery, some ice cubes, a couple of hard boiled eggs, 240 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: a ham, alive turkey. Whatever, we're gonna chop up this 241 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: live turkey, Throw a pillow, throw a pillow. I don't know. Hey, 242 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: you can chop any metics, and you gotta prove it. 243 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: So this prompted Samuel to get rawn on TV. Some 244 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: of this cheap ad space that he had bought with 245 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: a taped demonstration of the Chopper Mattic for the first 246 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: time in n and not exactly, but it went a 247 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: little something like this, Ladies and gentlemen, this brand new 248 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: gadget is going to change the way you do things 249 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: around with the kitchen. That's right. All your chopping worries 250 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: are a thing of the past with the greatest kitchen 251 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: appliance ever made, the Choppo Matic. Oh, the Choppo Matic. 252 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: Oh my, many years of shredding cabbage for COSA are 253 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: finally behind me. That's right. And as a man, I 254 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: sure do love crushed ice. It's a cinch with this 255 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: stainle steel blade. But surely a product like this must 256 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: cost tens of thousands of dollars. Well, actually, the listed 257 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: retail price is just five dollars and cents. I'm on 258 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: the fence, but I don't want to pay that much. 259 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: Could I get it for any less? Well, you're in 260 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: four treat because if you call right now during this 261 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: exclusive television broadcast, it can be all yours for just 262 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: three dollars and cents. But wait, there's more. If you 263 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: call today, we'll send in this booklet with fifties secret 264 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: recipes from world famous chefs, secret recipes from famous chefs. However, 265 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: did you get those torture and blackmail? Wow? Something like that. 266 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: And Ron was alone on camera in these early days 267 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: and he would just stand behind a counter and demonstrate 268 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: the product in real time. And it's pretty impressive. And 269 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: it followed in his father's philosophy. Nobody needed this, but 270 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: the idea of making a simple task simpler, safer, and 271 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: faster had people foaming at the mouths. So this did 272 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: three things. One, the Chappo Matic was a massive hit, 273 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: sold over two million units. Two, the Pope Pio Brothers 274 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: was now a brand name that became synonymous with making 275 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: life in the kitchen easier. And three, Ron Popeio became 276 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: a household name himself, setting him on a path that 277 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: would make him one of the most recognized and respected 278 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: salesman in American history. That's pretty crazy, because we love 279 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: a salesman here. And the Choppo Matic led to other 280 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: inventions like Dialomatic and eventually the Vegematic, which Ron would 281 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: sell over nine million units of and bring in fifty 282 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: million dollars. Incredible on a vegematic Vegematics, it's pretty cool. 283 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: And this was before the as seen on TV stores. Yeah, 284 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: he really had the number, and sales is a cutthroat business. 285 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: But you know, fortunately these guys are all fair emily right. 286 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, family always 287 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: comes first, except that if you remember Uncle Nathan, Samuel's 288 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: mentor who taught him everything he knew about being a salesman. 289 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: In ninety, Nathan Morris released a fancy new product called 290 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: the Rodo Shop and this was striking le similar to 291 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: the Chopper Mattic, and Samuel was not having that, so 292 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: he ended up suing his mentor and uncle for copyright infringement. 293 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: This is a this is like a roy family situation. 294 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: In the courtroom, they had this big, heated exchange. He 295 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: and Samuel were going at each other. Nathan was pissed 296 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: that Samuel was so ungrateful for like the big break 297 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: that he gave him in the sales business, and Samuel 298 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: fought back with him that you know, he was just 299 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: using what he taught him to make his own business, 300 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: and now his uncle was trying to steal that back. 301 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: So it got real hot and angry and they're fighting 302 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: and fighting and fighting right there in the courtroom, and 303 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden Nathan collapsed from a heart attack. 304 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: He was rushed to the hospital and he survived, and 305 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: Samuel felt terrible that he'd put his uncle through all this, 306 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 1: so he really rethought the lawsuit and he was like, okay, 307 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: instead of instead of pushing forward and suing him because 308 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: he was definitely gonna win, I will settle this, you know, 309 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: for a reasonable some that both parties were happy with. 310 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: And the very next day, Uncle Nathan hopped out of 311 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,719 Speaker 1: bed like Grandpa Joe when Charlie won his Golden ticket, 312 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: like prime of his life. Nothing had ever happened, super healthy. 313 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: Come on, do we have to enter speculation station to 314 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: say that there's no way Nathan had a real heart. 315 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: No way, he totally faked that. That's is George Bluth move. 316 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: So that's that's a pretty crazy stage. Throughout the Pope 317 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 1: Peal family was like uh and just how crazy things 318 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: would get around Samuel sometimes do. And most of the 319 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: history out there is focused on their son ron because 320 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: he broke off in the mid sixties. He started his 321 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: own company, ron Co, which exploded sold some of the 322 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,479 Speaker 1: most famous as seen on TV inventions that you still 323 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: hear about today. But wait, there's more, Samuel Pope Peal 324 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: wasn't just an inventor who slices and dices. And if 325 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: you stay tuned for this exclusive podcast event, we're gonna 326 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: throw in a fabulous, curious and all around ridiculous romance 327 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: had no extra charge to you. That's right. Stay tuned 328 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: and you'll get not only the story of Samuel Pope 329 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: pel but we'll also bring you his marriage to Eloise 330 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: Little and that's not all coming up. We're gonna give 331 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 1: you Samuel Pope Pele and his marriage to Eloise, and 332 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna throw in his divorce as well. It's all 333 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: coming up for the lolo price of just a few 334 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: commercial Welcome back to the deal. I mean, so everybody. So, 335 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: here's what we know about Eloise's early life. She was 336 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: born in nineteen twenty five. In nineteen fifty four, she 337 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: married Samuel Popil. She was twenty eight, he was thirty nine, 338 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: and at some point they had two children. That's about 339 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: all we know about their happy marriage truly. I mean, 340 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: we we've talked about this, but really all the history 341 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: that is about them at all is just side notes 342 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: in stories about Ron. They're much more famous son, So 343 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,959 Speaker 1: you might be out there saying, Hey, lion Diana, what 344 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: am I going to do with such little information? But 345 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: don't touch that dial, because if I got a story 346 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: for you. In nineteen sixty five, just a little over 347 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: ten years after their marriage, Eloise filed for divorce. The 348 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: circumstances aren't exactly known as to why this divorce started, 349 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: but I think we can certainly spend some time in 350 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: an old specular Asian station taking a little lay over here, 351 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: wondering what they'll happen between the two of them. Maybe 352 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: it'said weird Rube Goldberg machines for everything. She's like tripping 353 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: over like robotic hands, and they're just like, I can't 354 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: take it anymore. He's hit in the face of the waffle. Yes, 355 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: pours the coffee in the wrong place. Yeah, She's like, 356 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: I replaced this carpet already this year, shrank the kids, Yes, 357 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: all those gadgets exactly. Maybe he just like maybe he 358 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: was always trying to patent everything and sue all the time. 359 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: Oh you mean, like he'd be like, I love you, honey. Oh, yes, 360 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: I love you too, Dear, I love you too. That's 361 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: what I said. You can't just steal my saying I'll 362 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: see you and caught exactly exactly probably, I imagine, just 363 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: like everything was an infomercial to him, So like like, honey, 364 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: I'm I'm taking you out for romantic dinner tonight. That's nice, yes, yes, 365 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: but wait, there's more. You come to dinner, I'll give 366 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: you this nice steak dinner with not just one side, 367 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: but two sides of your choice. Call now, I'll throw 368 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: in a side salad and a dessert and a bottle 369 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:15,239 Speaker 1: of wine for just avorce. Yes, I can see that. 370 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: I can see Okay, I want a divorce. He can't 371 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: turn it off. Oh my god, that would be even 372 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: if he just talked in that voice. How are you today? 373 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: How's the weather outside? It's a beautiful day. It's not 374 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: just beautiful, it's extra beautiful. Oh, she like snaps. It's 375 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: partly cloudy today. It's sunny and cloudy and there's a breeze. 376 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: And you can have it all by just stepping outside 377 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: and her hands slowly form two fists. So yeah, we 378 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: can't find out exactly what caused this divorce and ality, 379 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: although those are perfectly plausible reasons, um, but we do 380 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: know that it was contested and it lingered in court 381 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: for years. It wasn't until nineteen seventy two that Samuel 382 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: and Eloise actually separated and Eloise moved to Los Angeles, California, 383 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: according to an article in The l A Times, but 384 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: a quote from Eloise at their trial starts to kind 385 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: of summarize why she finally got out and what took 386 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: her so long. She said, quote, the reason I could 387 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: not live with my husband was that for ten years, 388 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: since October of nineteen sixty four, he has had me 389 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: followed day and night. He has had my phones bugged 390 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: all the time. He had electronic beeping devices on my cars. 391 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: He was insanely jealous of everyone and everything. That's intense. Yeah, 392 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: that's quite an accurate, she says. Uh, you know, so 393 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: that was like before she filed for divorce, So it's 394 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 1: not like he was doing this the whole time that 395 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 1: we know of. She cites it as being like from 396 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: the from essentially when she filed for divorce into the 397 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: proceeding years after when so he got mad that she 398 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: wanted a divorce, and or he got mad, right, he 399 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: got possessive and he was just you know, spying on 400 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: her all the time. And that's why she filed for divorce, 401 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: and then he continued that and wouldn't let her, you know, 402 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: lead her, lead her whole life. It really reminds me 403 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: of our other episode about Bert and Linda Pogash, because 404 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: he was he was also a very rich man who 405 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: just would not leave her alone and stalked her and 406 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: hired people to follow her. And I mean they weren't married, 407 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: and not that that really makes it better or worse 408 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: in either situation, but it's it gives me a lot 409 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: of hints of that just very wealthy, very disconnected from 410 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: reality kind of person who thinks they can just control 411 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: everything and everyone in their life, right, and then once 412 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: they have something, they have it for because they wanted, 413 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: And you don't get to just walk out on me, right, 414 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: I tell you when it's over. Kind of kind of 415 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: feeling yep. She's like, I want a divorce and he's like, 416 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: but wait, there's more more marriage to me that another 417 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: eight years, Jesus. So, after Eloise got to California, she 418 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: found herself a new boyfriend named Dan Ayers. Okay, how 419 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: you doing Dan? Dan was a union shop steward at 420 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: Douglas Aircraft Company in Long Beach, and he and Eloise 421 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: hit it off quickly after meeting. Eloise was still haunted 422 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: by Samuel's anger and his oppressive behavior during their contested divorce, 423 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: and Dan really hated what this was doing to her. 424 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 1: He also felt that Eloise should be entitled to her 425 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: husband's hundred million dollar fortunes. So yeah, I'm pretty sure 426 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: he kept his shoulder real close for her to cry on, 427 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: you know, and he was like, you deserve so much more, baby, 428 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: and so do I. You know, I think we both 429 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: just deserve so so much more. I'm willing to stand 430 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: by you through this the whole time, right up until 431 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: we get that right. Yeah, and maybe after that we'll see. 432 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: But in June of the next year, things took a 433 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: turn for the worse for them when Dan lost his 434 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 1: job as the shop steward, and by December they were 435 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: fed up with trying to get Samuel to agree to 436 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: this divorce. He's still dragging it out and everything, and 437 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 1: that's when Dan decided to call an old friend. His 438 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: name was Donald Reid, and he worked for the same 439 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: company that Dan had. He was on the committee that 440 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: did bargaining for the union, but he was also an 441 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: ex convict who had served time in Michigan for armed robbery, 442 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: according to a report by Jay Compton on the trial, 443 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: and in mid December, Dan contacted Read and staid he 444 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: had a job for him that could pay thirty even dollars. 445 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: Clearly learned a lot the Popio family, but wait, there 446 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: could be more. And in fact, he said money is 447 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: no object. And Reid said, okay, well, what's the job? 448 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: And Dan said, you gotta go kill Samuel Popeil. It's 449 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: one of those types of jobs, right, And Read was 450 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: pretty unsure about this from the start because he'd just 451 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: been asked to murder someone. But I'm kind of glad 452 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: to hear that. He was a little hesitan. He wasn't 453 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: immediately like oh sure. I mean, he'd never done this before, 454 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: so it was a little bit of a weird ask. 455 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: But Dan insisted that like, no, this is a good, 456 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: clean job. It's going to come with a huge paycheck. 457 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: And he told Read that Samuel was worth a hundred 458 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: million bucks. But quote, he has all the money tied up. 459 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: It's just as much Eloise's money as it is his. 460 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: He's got to go. And he told Read all about 461 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: Samuel's home in Chicago. He gave him like his living habits. 462 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: He told him about his security, which I imagine was 463 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: a bunch of like automated machines. It's secure, o matic. 464 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: But he's like, he's got like an inspector gadget on 465 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: him that comes over his head and it'll slap you 466 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: in the face with a glove in your face. He's 467 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: got a little flowered if you look at it, don't 468 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: shake his hand and you'll get a bus. But he 469 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: told him that if he went to Chicago and checked 470 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: it out, he would see, you know, kind of what 471 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: the layout was. So Read took a minute to think 472 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: about it, but ultimately he said, all right, Dan and Eloise, 473 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: you guys should come over to my place and we'll 474 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: talk more about it. Yeah, And a few days later 475 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: Dan and Eloise did. They went by Reid's house and 476 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: they discussed killing Samuel. Eloise thought it was a great idea. 477 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: She was ready to pay Read whatever he wanted out 478 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: of the money that she would eventually get after Samuel 479 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: was dead. And she figured, fine, if you don't want 480 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: to divorce me, then I'm gonna get what's mine anyway. Right, 481 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: She's like, okay, well, if we're married, i'm legally entitled 482 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: your money if you die. So sure, fine, don't divorce me, 483 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: all right, it's actually better for me if you don't. Um. 484 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,239 Speaker 1: So they hand Read a ticket to Chicago and some 485 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: money and a camera, and they told him go to Chicago, 486 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: go to the twenty ninth floor of the Drake Towers 487 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: building by way of the fire escape, and take a 488 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: picture of Samuel's door. And Dan like drew a map 489 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: of the area. He told Read where Samuel's garage was. 490 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: He said, if you see a Cadillac El Dorado and 491 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: a Rolls Royce, that means Samuel is home. Good to know, 492 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: very any prospective murderers should probably know if you're there 493 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: or not. And they said if he took the picture 494 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: and brought it back, they would know that he was 495 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: capable of getting in and getting the job done, and 496 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: then they would start to wire the money for the 497 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: actual job. So they kind of wanted, I guess to 498 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: know you can handle that. They totally just gave him 499 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: out of nowhere. They wanted to set him. It's the worst. No, 500 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: it does make sense. It does make sense. So in 501 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: late December, Read flies out Chicago. He gets to Drake 502 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: Towers and he thinks to himself, well, this is a 503 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: stupid idea. I'm not going to do this, and he 504 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: gets back on a plane and he flies home to 505 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. The very next morning, he called his buddy, 506 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: Richard Peeler, who's also a co worker, and he tells 507 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: him the whole plan. He's like, these guys called me. 508 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: They want me to be killed. This guy that sounds crazy, 509 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: but a weird hit. Space really need a friend. Together, 510 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: Peeler and Reid decide, hey, you know what, let's start 511 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: recording all the conversations that you have with Dan and 512 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: Eloise will offer to do the job, get as much 513 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 1: money out of them as we can, and then we 514 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: won't kill Samuel. And wait, there's more. When they come 515 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: to us and say, hey, why isn't Samuel dead. You 516 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: didn't hold up your end of the job, we can say, yeah, 517 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: well we have all these recorded conversations, so unless you 518 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: want us to turn you into the police, you can 519 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: fuck off and we'll keep the money. Pretty feisty plan there, 520 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: these guys. So Dan and Reid set up another meeting, 521 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,479 Speaker 1: and this time Reid and Peeler are secretly recording it, 522 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: and Read tells Dan, oh, yeah, I went down there, like, 523 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: you know what, Tell her I saw the building. Tell 524 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: her I went inside, I checked it out. I didn't 525 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: get the picture of the door, but like, I totally 526 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: saw this, that and the other. And he starts like 527 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: listing all these details to prove that he was there. 528 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: But it's also very clear in this recording that he's 529 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: inferring by saying, tell her, tell her, don't forget to 530 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: mention to her. He's inferring the Eloise is very much 531 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: aware of what he's doing, even though she wasn't at 532 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: that meeting with them. Yeah, he wanted to make sure 533 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: she was implicated even though she wasn't present totally. And 534 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: Reid has another phone call with Dan where they talk 535 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: about getting a silencer for handgun. They start talking about 536 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: arrangements for the cash transferred everything, but Read starts asking 537 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: Dan if Eloise is really on the level. He said, 538 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: as quote, I'm not sure she'll hold up once she 539 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: sees her husband in a casket. But Dan calmed him down. 540 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: He told him, look, Eloise has a bunch of diamonds 541 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: in a safe deposit box. We can work out some 542 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: kind of collateral out right kind of deposit. You don't 543 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: have to worry about us being serious. We'll give you 544 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: something up front, give you more money after he's dead. 545 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: It's going to be totally kosher. So they got off 546 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: the phone. They agreed to keep going over the details. Meanwhile, 547 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: Reid and Peeler had tape recordings of their conversations, and 548 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: after every meeting with Dan they would sit down and 549 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: listen to them and make sure they were good. Qualities. 550 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: Was like a podcast. It's just like a podcast. Part dude. 551 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: I thought it was super cool. How you pushed back 552 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: on that really crisp quality. It sounds very good, very good. 553 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: Thanks man, Thanks man. Then Dan started to get suspicious 554 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: of read probably the only smart thing he does entire time. 555 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: He decides, you know what, I'm going to contact somebody else. 556 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: I don't trust this guy. Somebody new. We're going to 557 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: start over with somebody else. Yeah, So who does he call? 558 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: Richard Peeler, the guy who is already conspiring against him, Like, 559 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: bad luck. I guess. He's like, I really just don't 560 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: know that many criminals, I guess, And there's just two 561 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: co workers friends already working together against me. Dan sucks too, 562 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: I guess. Richard was like, you know what, totally I'll 563 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: help you bring this guy, and Read, of course doesn't. 564 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: He doesn't bug him about it. He's not like, hey, 565 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: why just stop calling me because he knows the guy 566 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: he did Dan, Dan goes Eloise, Yeah, I fired, I 567 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: fired Read. It took it really well, you just said okay, 568 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: So look, I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, well, 569 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: that's great Eli and Diana, but will any of this 570 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: help me spin my salad? Well, don't worry, because have 571 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: we got an offer for you. 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So 580 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: Read and Peeler have been recording their conversations with Dan 581 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: and Eloise, and now Dan has decided to give up 582 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: on Read and go with Peeler instead, which is pointless 583 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: because both these guys are the ones scheming on him. 584 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: It's really an amazing situation. I need this movie Aboutely 585 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: just amazing. So on January three, Read decides to call 586 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: Samuel and tell him about this plot that Eloise and 587 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: Dan are cooking up and how they planned to extort 588 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: them for it. Why we did that, why they did this, 589 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: I do not know, and we can only go into 590 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: speculation station about it. Yeah, why would be the purpose 591 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,280 Speaker 1: of calling him up? And I don't really, Hey, buddy, 592 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: I'm running a scam on your ex wife. She's trying 593 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: to kill you, but I'm going to cheat her out 594 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: of all her money, like, and he's just gonna be like, oh, good, 595 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: hope it works out, thanks for letting me, knows. He 596 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: just like, hey, man, listen, I'm can you pretend to 597 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: kill you? But like I needed to lay low for 598 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: a cop, saying afterwards so that I get my payment. 599 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: Maybe he forgets that they kind of need a death 600 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 1: certificate to get all the money. Now. There is another 601 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: little speculation station inside this Carnegie Museum article online. Uh. 602 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: They say that the director of the Warhol Museum has 603 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: had this whole exhibit about gadgetry in the fifties, and um, 604 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: he suggested in his version of the story that Samuel 605 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: had actually hired these guys first to take out a 606 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: hit on Eloise, and that Eloise actually outbid them and 607 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: send them back against Samuel. Bad scene in the movie 608 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 1: would be so good because she just like sit back, 609 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: light a cigarette and go, so, how much is it 610 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: gonna give you? I'll double it? Right? What if I 611 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: double it to kill him? Now, there's really no evidence 612 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: to support that, and even this guy himself says that, 613 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: like a lot of the history kind of gets lost 614 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: between the lines of the reality and this story. So 615 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: it's fun, but it doesn't really make a lot of sense. Also, 616 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: Samuel had so much more money than Eloise, so I 617 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: don't know how she got about bid him. Honestly, she 618 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: just lied about it, or if it was just like 619 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: a game of thrones, like, well, pick who you think 620 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: is gonna win, because they'll have the money in the 621 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: long run. But ultimately I think it's a big old 622 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: stop at speculation station and uh, and probably not true. 623 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: Whatever happened later that very same day that Read called Samuel, 624 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: the Long Beach police gave Read a phone call and 625 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: they were like, hey, uh, what's up to over there? 626 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 1: We heard that here's you're planning a little assassination. They're 627 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: gonna gonna blackmail some people for it. A lot of crimes, 628 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: a lot of criminal activity. Sounds sounds like something we 629 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: should know about, and uh, my wheelhouse. So they end 630 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: up getting involved because they're like, well, if you're working 631 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: with someone who hired you to kill someone, let's let's 632 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: go ahead and take this to the next level. And 633 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: uh oh, oh, you've been recording conversations. That's cute. We're 634 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: going to come in and record the conversations from now on. 635 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: So now it's early January and Peeler is having meetings 636 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: with Dan, and now Eloise is getting involved, and they 637 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 1: talk openly about getting a key to the apartment building 638 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: on and and how they've got to make sure that 639 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: the daughters aren't going to be home when he's there, 640 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: because she and Samuel have those two daughters together that 641 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: are living out in Chicago, and that, you know, he's 642 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 1: got to make sure the cleaning staff won't be there. 643 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: She tells him it'll be really easy to get into 644 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: the apartment and shoot Samuel in his sleep. But later 645 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 1: Dan met with Peeler separately and told him, you know, 646 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 1: it might be better to poison him rather than shoot him, 647 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,720 Speaker 1: because you know that kind of draw a lot of attention, 648 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: not a question. And he gave Peeler a bottle with 649 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 1: a white powder in it with the name Eloise Pope 650 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: peel on the label. Now, Dan, I need you to 651 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: put a dunce cap on, right, just not good at 652 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: this is this is shabby. In one of the last 653 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: recorded meetings, now with the police officially taking these recordings 654 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: instead of reading Peeler, Eloise told Paler that if the 655 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: poison didn't work, he should, quote, just blow off his 656 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 1: head and forget it. D just forget it, blow his 657 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 1: head off and walk away. Peelers in therapy like and 658 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: then you told me to just forget it, and I've 659 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: never been able to forget it. She said she just 660 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 1: wanted him dead by any means necessary, and that if 661 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,840 Speaker 1: it was necessary, Peeler should just kill the maid too 662 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,240 Speaker 1: and put their bodies in bed together. That is low, 663 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 1: that insult to injury, I mean, especially for this maid. 664 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 1: What does she ever do? Like imagine her family had 665 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 1: been like she was sucking Samuel. She's a lesbian. Would 666 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: not be funny, no, but not at all. So at 667 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: this point the police are like, Okay, I think we've 668 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 1: got enough here. She literally said the words just blow 669 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: his hat off and forget it, and also, why not 670 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: knock off the maid while you're there? Right, this lady's crazy. 671 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: We're good here, let's go. They had four taped conversations 672 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,479 Speaker 1: from Peeler and Read, and then the cops had done 673 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 1: an additional three recordings, so they had a lot. They 674 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: had stax of tapes, and on January four, they had 675 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: one last meeting with Peeler, where Eloise offered up a 676 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: deposit for the job. As they had discussed, it was 677 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: two diamond broches, a set of diamond earrings, and a 678 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,399 Speaker 1: handful of jeweled rings. And like I guess, as soon 679 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: as their hand opened up and all this beautiful jewelry 680 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: like collapse fell into his palm, the police busted in 681 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: and Eloise and Dan were arrested. Now the trial wasn't 682 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: really actually as cut and dry as you'd expect, because 683 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: I mean, this seems this themes like you know we 684 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: will be home by dinner, cut print, right, But actually 685 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: the so the tapes that Read and Peeler took we're 686 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: not able to be submitted as evidence due to some 687 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: legally stuff that I was reading in the court documents 688 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 1: that I don't fully understand, but it sounded like basically 689 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 1: the fact that they only recorded these tapes as a 690 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 1: means to commit their own felony, that being blackmail. That 691 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 1: it's like these weren't official documents. Um, you know, the 692 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 1: police didn't take these recordings. There was some kind of 693 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: humboes on bo there where they weren't able to submit them. 694 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: And the defense had fought hard against the inclusion of 695 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 1: a lot of this evidence. They cited government snooping, improper 696 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: use of information, and quote a lack of reasonable check 697 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 1: on the accuracy of existing records. Eloise leaned hard on 698 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 1: her defense that Samuel was treating her so badly that 699 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: she was driven to this behavior, the stocky, stocky stuff 700 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,240 Speaker 1: for over, you know, for ten years. Yeah, yeah, which 701 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, can definitely try somebody to do some crazy things. 702 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: You really want to feel like you need to defend 703 00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 1: yourself in that situation. And when it came time for 704 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 1: her verdict, the jury decided that on count one, conspiracy 705 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: to commit murder, she was not guilty. On count two 706 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: information alleging solicitation of Donald Reid to commit murder. She 707 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 1: was not guilty. Count three, solicitation of Robert Peeler to 708 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: commit murder, she was guilty. I think that's because the 709 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,840 Speaker 1: only tapes of her asking Read to do the to 710 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,320 Speaker 1: do the murder were the ones they couldn't submit as evidence, 711 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 1: So they had her on tape asking Peeler to do it. 712 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: So she was guilty for soliciting Peeler to commit murder, 713 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,399 Speaker 1: but they didn't get her for Read. I think it's 714 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: funny that that doesn't make her guilty of conspiracy to 715 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,800 Speaker 1: commit murder. I thought the same thing. But that is 716 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 1: a good lawyer. I mean, I guess so oh to 717 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,719 Speaker 1: have a good lawyer, right. The d A side note 718 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,760 Speaker 1: to the d A had like said in his closing 719 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 1: arguments that his opinion was that she was guilty and 720 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: of all three counts, and her team argued back that 721 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: an official can't use their opinion to weigh the jury 722 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: in one favor or another, like they can only use 723 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: the evidence. And the judge actually put that down, but 724 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 1: they resubmitted it against. There was a lot there about 725 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 1: like they were they were using every trick in the book. Yeah, 726 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 1: legalship is weird, though, I mean some of that it 727 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 1: sounds so crazy on its face, and then when you 728 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,479 Speaker 1: look in the law, yeah, you're like, oh, I see 729 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 1: there's a strategy behind this, but it sounds horrible, you 730 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,359 Speaker 1: know from just a lay person's right. You know, you're 731 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 1: just like, what, how is that possible? And you kind 732 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,319 Speaker 1: of looking like, Okay, there's like some statute or it's 733 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 1: put in place for protection of whatever whatever. But you 734 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, and you're like, I get it. But sometimes 735 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 1: it's just like, well, because if you could just look 736 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 1: at it and it seems cut and dry and then 737 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 1: you say guilty, then a lot of people who didn't 738 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 1: you know, who you can prove innocent in the minutia 739 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: are going to get convicted. Yeah, so I get it, 740 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: But it still does leave a lot of room for loopholes. 741 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 1: It seems like sure does, doesn't it. So Dan and 742 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: Eloise were each sentenced to one to five years in 743 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,840 Speaker 1: prison for this charge, and for Dan appealer and read 744 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: that's kind of where the story drops off. But for Eloise, 745 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: she ended up staying in prison for nineteen months and 746 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: was released on June one, nine six. Once she was out, 747 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,319 Speaker 1: she finally got her divorce pretty nice, like welcome to 748 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,360 Speaker 1: the welcome to the outside, You got a cograts, you 749 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,319 Speaker 1: got out of prison. Here's your divorce. Finally got after 750 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,799 Speaker 1: all this time years. I'm glad she got it because 751 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,919 Speaker 1: she needed to get away from that guy for real. 752 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: And I mean, I guess Samuel also was like, wow, 753 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 1: she was really planning to kill me, So I guess 754 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: I was divorced um, and they agreed on a settlement. 755 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,760 Speaker 1: They finalized their divorce for Eloise to receive two hundred 756 00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars but no alimony, and Samuel would 757 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: also pay child support and all of her legal fees. 758 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: That's kind of small for a hundred million dollar fortune, 759 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 1: but a right. I mean, I guess she's like, whatever, 760 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: just give me something. But wait, there's more. Later that 761 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:23,360 Speaker 1: same year, Samuel and Eloise remarried and they stayed married 762 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 1: after all that. I'm sorry, after all that, can we 763 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:34,239 Speaker 1: just imagine the date where he asks her, you know what, honey, 764 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: we've bet he's Chicago. You know what, honey, We've been 765 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,720 Speaker 1: through a lot, we've seen a lot of things together, 766 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, you tried to kill me. I 767 00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:51,319 Speaker 1: stalked you for a decade. We both we both did 768 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 1: each other dirties. Yea, So how about we leave it 769 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: all in the past but go in the future together. 770 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:03,480 Speaker 1: How about you marry me, sweetheart? Oh? Sure, why not? 771 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:10,839 Speaker 1: I ran through that two d K pretty quick. But yeah, 772 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,440 Speaker 1: they did stay married. Samuel suffered a severe heart attack 773 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,360 Speaker 1: just two years later in ninety eight, but he survived. 774 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: I wonder if like Uncle Nathan, he bound out of 775 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: bed the next year. He sold off his company to 776 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,800 Speaker 1: some millionaire in Milwaukee, and Eloise stayed by his side, 777 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,440 Speaker 1: nursed him through his illness in his final years, and 778 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 1: he died in nine eighty four at sixty nine years old, 779 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:43,239 Speaker 1: and Eloise lived until and died at five. She got 780 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 1: fifteen years with that, and they're still all right. She 781 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I just said a way for him 782 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:53,920 Speaker 1: to die. Weird. I mean, it's again going back to 783 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,719 Speaker 1: Burt and Linde. This definitely is the closest to that episode, 784 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,760 Speaker 1: because I mean he threw asid it in her face 785 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 1: and went to jail, and then they got married after 786 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: he got out. So slightly less intense version of that 787 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 1: story in a weird way, but equally bonkers. Well, this 788 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,120 Speaker 1: is why another reason why it just sounds like a 789 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: really amazing comedy like crime comedy type movie because it's 790 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,280 Speaker 1: just like so fumbily and like hilarious, like Three Stooges 791 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,359 Speaker 1: murder plot or something, and then in the end they're like, 792 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 1: forget it, forget it. I love you, honey, you know 793 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:34,959 Speaker 1: what I mean? Oh man, let's uh, it's not speculation station. 794 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,759 Speaker 1: What is it when we're going to cast a movie. 795 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,600 Speaker 1: Let's yes, let's go to the casting couch and see 796 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 1: if we can cast this movie that we're okay, okay, 797 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,680 Speaker 1: casting couch the name of our segment for this sure, uh, 798 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,319 Speaker 1: because I feel like, um, I feel like Read and 799 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,239 Speaker 1: Peeler could be like, well back, like, okay, let's say 800 00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: we're making this movie. I think it's uh Kiana Reeves 801 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:12,120 Speaker 1: and River Phoenix absolutely. Oh. But today I'm gonna say, 802 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,760 Speaker 1: I don't know what do you think? Like who's hot? 803 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,759 Speaker 1: Who's hot? Are you thinking? No? No, No, I just 804 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,960 Speaker 1: mean like, who's who's castable's uh? But maybe it's not that. 805 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,680 Speaker 1: Maybe it's like some some sitcom stars, like um, maybe 806 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,880 Speaker 1: like Adam Pally, he's that guy from The Happy Endings 807 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,920 Speaker 1: and everything like that. I don't know he'd be funny. 808 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,239 Speaker 1: What about the guy from workaholics with the curly hair. 809 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yes, he would be a good one 810 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 1: for one of those. It could be any two of 811 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,400 Speaker 1: the WORKHOLI maybe we need to make it three guys. 812 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,600 Speaker 1: Maybe Dan is one of the work is also cast right, 813 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,880 Speaker 1: one of the workaholics, so when they're all fumbling idiocy, 814 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 1: they would definitely play it well. Yes, Dan's like, here's 815 00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:02,239 Speaker 1: a bottle, This is Elmie's popio. So those three are 816 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,279 Speaker 1: cast It's perfect. And then I'd love to have like 817 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,200 Speaker 1: a taller woman be Eloise, so that she can nestle 818 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,600 Speaker 1: Adam to her bosom and he can be like you 819 00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:14,160 Speaker 1: deserve so much better. Oh my god, Cecily Strong. I 820 00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,680 Speaker 1: was gonna say, Cecily, she would be good. I think 821 00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,160 Speaker 1: she'd be really funny, especially with him, Like the two 822 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 1: of them together would be hilarious to me. So who's Samuel? 823 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:28,880 Speaker 1: Who's Samuel popeel Oh man, it's got to be. I 824 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,160 Speaker 1: don't know if we can afford him, but like what 825 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,640 Speaker 1: if we got jill In Hall? Oh my god, because 826 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,840 Speaker 1: he could play that eccentric kuk you know, and I 827 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,279 Speaker 1: think you know when Jake Jillen Hall cuts loose and 828 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,319 Speaker 1: wants to be funny. He's very funny. He's hilarious. I 829 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,520 Speaker 1: think we could do it. I'm gonna start making some calls. 830 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,400 Speaker 1: I don't know unless you get something better. Alright, so 831 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,520 Speaker 1: back back to the show. Jeez, what are you doing? 832 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,440 Speaker 1: Is so distracting? So Ron Poppel of course went on 833 00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: to be Ron Pope Peel. He's the infomercial legend behind 834 00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 1: of course Ronco, like we mentioned, that's still around today. 835 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,279 Speaker 1: They made the Pope Peel Pocket Fisherman, which is one 836 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 1: of the most top selling items of all time. Then 837 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,800 Speaker 1: they had the Vegematic, which was the one where you 838 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,239 Speaker 1: could slice it tomatoes so thin that it only has 839 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:20,200 Speaker 1: one side, and everyone was like, why what is the purpose? 840 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,239 Speaker 1: Oh good, finally I cannot know the tomatoes are there 841 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,919 Speaker 1: but still have them. I'm like everybody like it's called 842 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,560 Speaker 1: a beefsteak tomato, Like, I want tom freaking tomato. Bro. 843 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,960 Speaker 1: They also developed a smokeless ash tray, which is okay. 844 00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:36,880 Speaker 1: It's a little ash tray that's got a fan in 845 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,680 Speaker 1: the bottom that sucks smoke down from cigarettes that are 846 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,879 Speaker 1: resting in it into like a carbon filter. Great, all 847 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,960 Speaker 1: your ashtray smoke has gone. But I'm like, but you're 848 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,799 Speaker 1: still smoking, pull the smoke out of your lungs or 849 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,560 Speaker 1: the air that shows these people sitting around a dinner 850 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,400 Speaker 1: table because it's the eighties and they're all smoking, and 851 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,120 Speaker 1: it's like wow, the ashtray pulls the smoke away, and 852 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, cool, great, thanks for the clean air. What 853 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:08,560 Speaker 1: a difference on ashtray making so inour Shortly after Samuel's death, 854 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,320 Speaker 1: weird Al Yankovic released a fantastic song called Mr. Pope Peel, 855 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,880 Speaker 1: which was a love letter to the Pope Peel family. 856 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,400 Speaker 1: One of his best albums in three D. By the way, 857 00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,239 Speaker 1: it's just cool, like B fifty two style song. It 858 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,040 Speaker 1: sounds a lot like rock lobster. And Yankovic was in 859 00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,040 Speaker 1: touch with the family when he was writing this song, 860 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:31,120 Speaker 1: and he found out that one of Samuel and Eloise's daughters, Lisa, 861 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,960 Speaker 1: is a singer and a vocal coach, and so he 862 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,879 Speaker 1: hired her to be the backing vocalist on the track. Yeah, 863 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,120 Speaker 1: she's singing along with him. It's she's doing the B 864 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,160 Speaker 1: fifty twos thing. It's great, Yeah, sounds great. Yeah. And 865 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,960 Speaker 1: then she went on to be a background singer on 866 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,480 Speaker 1: a lot of weird Al's songs, including I think the 867 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,960 Speaker 1: last one was in sixteen she sang on tacky is 868 00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,560 Speaker 1: the Ferrell Williams Happy parody? Of course yep. And she 869 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,040 Speaker 1: also ended up giving him singing lessons as well. Imagine 870 00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:03,560 Speaker 1: giving weird singing sec who am I now? Ron passed 871 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:08,839 Speaker 1: away just this year in in July. Um Lisa who 872 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,880 Speaker 1: we mentioned is now sixty and she just toured with 873 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:17,080 Speaker 1: Weird Out. Oh cool. Y'all know the the legacy of 874 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,800 Speaker 1: the Vegematic and the Chopper Mattic. I mean, the Ohmatic 875 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,960 Speaker 1: thing is just endless parody. Snl Dan Ackroyd and the 876 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,480 Speaker 1: Bassmatic among the grossest sketches they've ever done, where Dan 877 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,640 Speaker 1: eck Royd puts a fish in the blender and drinks it. 878 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:38,040 Speaker 1: Um Gallagher's sledge Matic? Am I dating myself here? Anybody? 879 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,239 Speaker 1: Any Gallagher fans out there? You know he hits the 880 00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,360 Speaker 1: watermelon with a sledgehammer. Hilarious. Man, When I was six 881 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:51,560 Speaker 1: on the floor rolling every time you hit that watermelon? Nice, 882 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:56,000 Speaker 1: such good stuff. Nice? If only it was that easy? 883 00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,840 Speaker 1: Well jeez, I mean yeah, Samuel and Eloise Popel quite 884 00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,440 Speaker 1: uh quite a I mean, what else can you say 885 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,520 Speaker 1: besides quite a ridiculous relationship, very true. I just really 886 00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,560 Speaker 1: want to know it brought him back together. I guess 887 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,080 Speaker 1: they really just were like, you know, that was stupid. 888 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,480 Speaker 1: We were being dumb like or something. Maybe it's just 889 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,239 Speaker 1: the money. I don't know. I mean it was sent 890 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:24,000 Speaker 1: for him a wife, I guess, wife, someone to control. 891 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, you know, it's like it's like Burt, 892 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,239 Speaker 1: you know, he he's he had already made up his 893 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,799 Speaker 1: mind that's my wife, right, that's true. So when it 894 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,279 Speaker 1: came the opportunity came to get her back, yeah, then 895 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,000 Speaker 1: he never he didn't have to to lose. When some 896 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,719 Speaker 1: people's love is twisted, you know, like like birds, he's like, 897 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,319 Speaker 1: I truly loved this woman, and that's why I'm doing 898 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,839 Speaker 1: all these horrible things. You know. 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