Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison coming to you from the home office in Austin,
Speaker 1: Texas with my love Lauren Zima. We are home. We
Speaker 1: were gone this weekend, as many saw on social media,
Speaker 1: a lot of Bachelor Nation, a lot of our Bachelor
Speaker 1: family were gone this weekend. We were all in La
Speaker 1: La Land for a big wedding of a very good
Speaker 1: friend of ours. I think we confuse some people, first
Speaker 1: of all, on the whole wedding thing of who it was,
Speaker 1: because a lot of people saw our pictures, like, I
Speaker 1: don't know the bearded guy, who are those people dancing?
Speaker 1: And so let me just clear that up. To start,
Speaker 1: Alan Gail and Molly Quinn is who got married. So Alan,
Speaker 1: who Alan is to me was a young producer who
Speaker 1: I met on The Bachelor many many years ago, and
Speaker 1: I watched this young man come through the ranks as
Speaker 1: a producer, a segment producer, and on up to executive producer.
Speaker 1: Unbelievably talented. He was there, I think the better part
Speaker 1: of a decade. Alan was there, and he was really
Speaker 1: there during the magic years of Ben Higgins and Ari
Speaker 1: and Jojo and all those years Emily made it all
Speaker 1: those years that you really loved and when The Bachelor
Speaker 1: was just crushing it. Milan was a big part of that,
Speaker 1: and so he was getting married to Mollie. And Mollie
Speaker 1: you might know as a great actress.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think she was on the show Castle as a younger,
Speaker 3: a child star, honestly, and then she's gone on to
Speaker 3: do She did a horror movie last year. Her and
Speaker 3: Alan make movies together and do a bunch of producing together.
Speaker 3: I knew Alan as a reporter even before I really
Speaker 3: knew you because when I first started covering the show,
Speaker 3: which was twenty fifteen, Ben Higgins. This season was my
Speaker 3: first season covering the show for Entertainment Tonight, Alan was
Speaker 3: known as like.
Speaker 4: The producer of The Bachelor.
Speaker 3: I think he was the only one who sort of
Speaker 3: had a bit of a celebrity of his own as
Speaker 3: a producer. Like he I think he went viral for
Speaker 3: do you remember this for like tweeting a breakup which
Speaker 3: I can't remember if.
Speaker 1: The break up was real, he was fake. He did
Speaker 1: a fake tweet on a plane.
Speaker 3: Yes, and those tweets went viral because he kind of
Speaker 3: like invented live tweeting a personal encounter to social media.
Speaker 4: I'll give him credit for that, even though he paid.
Speaker 1: It really did he It was he was ahead of
Speaker 1: his time on social media. He's a really he's really
Speaker 1: brilliant as a producer but also as a writer. And
Speaker 1: he's and I say this with all love, he's weird.
Speaker 1: I think he embrace he's a weird dude. And so
Speaker 1: he was doing a lot of this stuff and that,
Speaker 1: honestly is what got him fired from The Bachelor is
Speaker 1: he was too popular and too good. And I can't
Speaker 1: tell you that drove the creator of the show nuts.
Speaker 1: He hated a lawn. A lawn was so popular and
Speaker 1: everybody knew a lawn, and the creator of the Bachelor,
Speaker 1: it was so it was so sad to watch. He
Speaker 1: wanted followers. He would make all of us post stuff
Speaker 1: to get him followers on social media. He was so
Speaker 1: mad that I got social media followers that Alawn got
Speaker 1: so it was really hysterical. So when all that happened,
Speaker 1: that just drove him crazy. And that's it what got
Speaker 1: him fired is a lawn just got too popular. They
Speaker 1: started a rule because of a lawn that people weren't
Speaker 1: allowed to post on social media.
Speaker 3: Isn't that great when your boss is upset about your success. Yes, exactly,
Speaker 3: which you're getting because you're doing a good job.
Speaker 1: Our show was just the best part is we had
Speaker 1: this and everybody was there this week and it was awesome.
Speaker 1: Bennett Grabner who was still with the show, Pete's Scaltar,
Speaker 1: and Elon Gale. It was a three headed monster at
Speaker 1: the time, and there were other talented people on the show.
Speaker 1: I don't mean it was just those three, but at
Speaker 1: the time, really a lawn. Pete and Bennett were this
Speaker 1: three headed monster that did a fighter of producers that
Speaker 1: did a great job because they all kind of gave
Speaker 1: us a little something different. And systematically there was so
Speaker 1: much jealousy from above that two of those three people
Speaker 1: got fired, and then others were being fired. The more
Speaker 1: people were talented and the better the show was doing,
Speaker 1: the more jealousy there was, and the more they got
Speaker 1: fired until there was no talent left. It was really bizarre.
Speaker 3: The uh, it's like eating itself like you're not This
Speaker 3: is not a good way to grow a company.
Speaker 1: Yeah, narcissism is a wonderful thing to watch an action.
Speaker 3: Well, what was great was the reunion of this group
Speaker 3: of people this weekend because you know, I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: you and I have talked about this a lot. I
Speaker 3: am in the place now where I just think like
Speaker 3: a lot of good and a lot of bad came
Speaker 3: out of all the Bachelor stuff, and I think it's
Speaker 3: hard for a thing to be perfect. And when a
Speaker 3: thing is that successful, there's obviously and successful via drama.
Speaker 3: There's going to be drama behind the scenes too. But
Speaker 3: this weekend it was really great to see everybody. There
Speaker 3: were Okay, Bachelor wise, we had Ben Higgins and Jess Clark,
Speaker 3: who is just, oh my gosh. Jess has never looked
Speaker 3: more beautiful.
Speaker 1: You don't have cliche about glowing when you're pregnant.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she it's suiting her so well. She was just like.
Speaker 3: Lively and gorgeous and it was so good to see
Speaker 3: her and you know, her inventor, just the kindest of people.
Speaker 4: We love them so much.
Speaker 3: And Raven and Adam. That was a funny story which
Speaker 3: I will reveal on here. Raven got her dates mixed
Speaker 3: up on when the wedding was. I texted her Friday
Speaker 3: and said, can't wait to see you tomorrow.
Speaker 4: She said, for what?
Speaker 3: And she and Adam love Elan so much that they
Speaker 3: booked a flight the next day and got their butts
Speaker 3: down to the wedding. Dear sweet Raven, who is busy
Speaker 3: with two kids at home at put the wedding as
Speaker 3: a date in twenty twenty five in her calendar. She
Speaker 3: was had RSVP and was ready to appear, but thought
Speaker 3: it was next year. My phone call with Raven was
Speaker 3: amazing because I called her, I'm like, what do you
Speaker 3: mean for what? And she's like in her everything's better
Speaker 3: in her southern accent, Lauren, Oh my god, I got
Speaker 3: two kids at my head up my butt. I thought
Speaker 3: it was next year. Adam is so mad at me.
Speaker 3: But they came and it was awesome to see them.
Speaker 3: Who else am I missing?
Speaker 1: It was a ball or move and people, Well, two
Speaker 1: people that weren't there asked about Wells and Sarah. Sarah's
Speaker 1: on Broadway right now, so they were in New York.
Speaker 1: Sadly they had to miss.
Speaker 4: Ashley and Jared.
Speaker 1: Jared, they've had a baby since you've.
Speaker 3: Seen that, I mean, I know they've two kids for
Speaker 3: them now as well. They revealed that they conceived our
Speaker 3: baby right around our wedding.
Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought she was going to
Speaker 1: say at our wedding, and I was like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: great name the baby Austin.
Speaker 3: It was after us, well, it was in my mind,
Speaker 3: it was there. She was like, it was like a
Speaker 3: week later. I'm like, well, maybe it was at the
Speaker 3: wedding a week earlier.
Speaker 1: Grocery store Joe was there and Serena, Yes, they look
Speaker 1: they look so happy.
Speaker 3: I know, they're like so positive and such a lovely,
Speaker 3: gorgeous couple Ari Ari and Lauren and another just good
Speaker 3: looking pair. There's so many beautiful people at these weddings.
Speaker 1: They should have been on television.
Speaker 3: And so happy to see them, and I want them
Speaker 3: to have more babies.
Speaker 1: There were some people behind the scenes too. Bennett Gradner
Speaker 1: was there, who was who is still an executive producer
Speaker 1: on the show and I still keep in touch with.
Speaker 1: And Nicole Woods was there, Michael Shay, who is the
Speaker 1: director farm producer and she's left the show. Peter Geist,
Speaker 1: who was another one who was let go from the show,
Speaker 1: who was incredibly talented. Basically anybody talented was there, and
Speaker 1: they've all been let go from the show over the years,
Speaker 1: except for Bennett, who still somehow has survived. God bless
Speaker 1: his soul, and Michael Shay, who was the director of
Speaker 1: all the Great Bachelor in Paradise years and is a
Speaker 1: phenomenal director on the show. And so it was fun
Speaker 1: to for me, it was fun to walk back into
Speaker 1: that world and with a bunch of friends, people I love,
Speaker 1: people I miss because, as you just said, Lauren's right,
Speaker 1: not everything's perfect, and yes, thing's in for a reason.
Speaker 1: And I think everybody knows how dramatic my ending was,
Speaker 1: and everybody leaves in their own particular way, but it
Speaker 1: can't diminish the good. And I think that happens a
Speaker 1: lot in life when we leave situations and you let
Speaker 1: it taint the whole thing, you let it tarnish the
Speaker 1: whole thing. For me, I told before we went, I
Speaker 1: had maybe an ounce of trepidation, but I was I
Speaker 1: was really excited to see everybody. A lot of people
Speaker 1: had reached out about being excited to see U. JP
Speaker 1: Rosenbaum was there.
Speaker 4: We were trying to set them up with somebody.
Speaker 1: I was trying to set them up with somebody.
Speaker 3: No, no potentials there, but you know JP is single
Speaker 3: and ready to mingle.
Speaker 1: There was one potential there. Oh yeah, she's on the
Speaker 1: opposite coast, and so I don't think it's I don't
Speaker 1: think it would behoove us to make that work.
Speaker 3: Also, former producer Cassie Lambert, Yes, who you were. I
Speaker 3: was excited to meet a couple of these people because
Speaker 3: you told me great stories about Pete and Cassie and
Speaker 3: I never met them, and they are so fun and
Speaker 3: such a blast, and you know, I actually think but like,
Speaker 3: I appreciate you saying you had a little trepidation because
Speaker 3: there were a couple of people you hadn't seen since
Speaker 3: leaving the show, like between the pandemic and us moving
Speaker 3: to Texas. And I know a few of those in
Speaker 3: their producers, and a few of them you'd like, I
Speaker 3: think one you'd had a phone call with, and one
Speaker 3: you had not.
Speaker 4: You had not spoken to since all this happened.
Speaker 1: Because some of you know, some of the producers. Look
Speaker 1: at the time when I left, a lot of those
Speaker 1: producers were still there and they had been family to
Speaker 1: me for a long time. But they also had to
Speaker 1: pick sides, and so I didn't begrudge them that I
Speaker 1: wasn't mad. I mean, you would love for people to
Speaker 1: stand up and say, you know, this isn't working. This
Speaker 1: isn't right. You know, we believe in Chris. We love you,
Speaker 1: and I knew they loved me. But I also knew
Speaker 1: that they had a job to do, and they have families,
Speaker 1: and they had lives and mortgages to pay. And I
Speaker 1: also went through a moment this weekend where I realized
Speaker 1: I hadn't done that for somebody on the show, a
Speaker 1: producer who I talked to about that this weekend. It
Speaker 1: was kind of a cathartic weekend. And so while you
Speaker 1: hope for certain things, you can't let that cloud your
Speaker 1: judgment of people when they had to make a choice,
Speaker 1: and they were forced to make a choice. And it's
Speaker 1: something that I actually really leaned into this weekend and
Speaker 1: learned because you and I talked through a certain issue
Speaker 1: when you don't hold the power in a situation, when
Speaker 1: when power is leveraged against you, you really are forced
Speaker 1: to do certain things. And I know a lot of
Speaker 1: these people were forced to do certain things at the time,
Speaker 1: and so I never begrudge them that and I hold
Speaker 1: no ill will. And when I saw them this weekend there,
Speaker 1: let's just say this, there were some extra long hugs
Speaker 1: with three or four people that I hadn't seen since
Speaker 1: I left the show, mostly off camera, behind the scenes producers,
Speaker 1: where we all just held each other a little tighter
Speaker 1: than normal and hugged about three or four seconds longer,
Speaker 1: where we just wanted each other to know, Hey, I
Speaker 1: still love you, I still respect you, and I'm so
Speaker 1: happy to see you. And that made my heart feel
Speaker 1: really good.
Speaker 4: See you walked away feeling good.
Speaker 1: I felt great. Yeah, yeah, I felt so good about
Speaker 1: coming home. I was on a high. And obviously the
Speaker 1: cast members I've always had a great relationship with, obviously
Speaker 1: Ben and Joe and Serena since I've met her through Joe.
Speaker 1: I didn't get to know her on the show, but
Speaker 1: I've met her through grocery store Joe, who I still
Speaker 1: call grocery store Joe. But Ari and Lauren and you
Speaker 1: name it. It was fun to just see all the people.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the wedding. There wasn't a lot
Speaker 1: of drama. I hate to say this. I would love
Speaker 1: to come with some crazy juice today that there was
Speaker 1: an amazing drama. But again, what I found was much
Speaker 1: like our wedding, which was a year ago. We're coming
Speaker 1: up on a year. It was just wonderful when all
Speaker 1: these people, a lot of these cast members and producers
Speaker 1: got together. We were all just really excited to see
Speaker 1: each other in Well, I'll.
Speaker 3: Be honest, I think there are a few things under
Speaker 3: the surface, but you don't bring that up at somebody's wedding.
Speaker 3: I think that's the bit, the more truthful reality, Like
Speaker 3: there wasn't drama because you don't choose to make drama
Speaker 3: someone's wedding. Like I think there were a few. I
Speaker 3: mean I even heard a few people be like like,
Speaker 3: there are a few people like, oh, I'm a little
Speaker 3: tense to see this person or that person, and like
Speaker 3: you just said, you had a little trepidation. Maybe not drama,
Speaker 3: but I mean I found out later about our wedding, Like,
Speaker 3: for example, Jess Clark and I were talking a little
Speaker 3: bit so at our wedding. I didn't know at the time,
Speaker 3: and I'm glad people like hit it from us because
Speaker 3: we were just enjoying the wedding. It's the polite thing
Speaker 3: to do, if you guys, if you're bringing drama into
Speaker 3: a situation, leave it at the door at someone's wedding, right,
Speaker 3: But I found out later there was like chatter happening
Speaker 3: when we had all the Bachelor of people at our
Speaker 3: house on Friday before our wedding on Saturday, about Caitlyn
Speaker 3: and Tasha and like between Caitlyn and Tasha, because Caitlyn
Speaker 3: and Tasha were both there and at the time it
Speaker 3: was like Caitlin is seeing Zach and Tasha was obviously
Speaker 3: tense about that.
Speaker 4: And what.
Speaker 3: I sort of realized this weekend was Caitlin just revealed
Speaker 3: in the press that she had this phone call with Tasha, right.
Speaker 4: I think she revealed that on her podcast.
Speaker 3: That phone call where Caitlin was like, I'm dating Zach
Speaker 3: was apparently just a couple days before our wedding.
Speaker 1: Yes, he had no idea.
Speaker 4: So the drama.
Speaker 3: I knew there was tension at the wedding, but I
Speaker 3: didn't know just how fresh it all was.
Speaker 1: Two days before our wedding they had that phone call.
Speaker 3: Well, and I think Caitlyn and Tasha were both invited
Speaker 3: to this wedding this weekend and neither showed up.
Speaker 4: And I do not know why.
Speaker 3: I have no idea why, but I was wondering how
Speaker 3: that would be and if stuff would get worked out
Speaker 3: or not, Like sometimes the wedding can be a great
Speaker 3: moment for a conversation to be had. You know, if
Speaker 3: there is drama, make sure it's positive at the wedding.
Speaker 4: But yeah, they didn't show up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was I was going to say, that's the
Speaker 1: only thing that may have helped, honestly, because I guess, well,
Speaker 1: I was wondering how it would be very publicly. That
Speaker 1: drama has continued on and there's been more and I
Speaker 1: guess look, at first there was the rumors that Caitlyn
Speaker 1: had dated Zach, Tasha's old fiance. Now that's just public knowledge,
Speaker 1: and Caitlyn has confirmed it herself, as only Caitlin would
Speaker 1: about the picture that she would release, But.
Speaker 4: She I had a picture.
Speaker 1: She I think she made like a She made kind
Speaker 1: of a crude joke that didn't go over well that
Speaker 1: she should have just sent a picture of her pleasuring.
Speaker 4: Oh oh, it.
Speaker 1: Was a joke and it didn't go over well.
Speaker 4: We need to have Kaitlin on, I know.
Speaker 1: We should, we should and reached out. Tasha reached out
Speaker 1: and texted before the wedding, was like, hey, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be there. I miss you. I
Speaker 1: didn't put two and two together at the time, so
Speaker 1: I didn't ask why. I didn't say, is it because
Speaker 1: you just don't want this interaction to happen? And I
Speaker 1: get Look, if you haven't, if you really are at
Speaker 1: war with somebody, it's not great to show up at
Speaker 1: the same wedding. But I wish they would have been there.
Speaker 1: I need to bring these two back together. That's that's
Speaker 1: my new goal. I'm going to bring Tasia Caitlin back together.
Speaker 4: Do you think that's possible?
Speaker 1: I think so. I think I think we can.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they were were they I guess
Speaker 3: they were friends before.
Speaker 1: I think they were friendly. You know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what happened when I left and they were brought in
Speaker 1: and how they were pitted against each other. I know
Speaker 1: they were very much used in that situation. I also
Speaker 1: know how the Bachelor world works, so I know that
Speaker 1: they were probably also produced against each other, pitted against
Speaker 1: each other, which is quite silly, but that's just how
Speaker 1: that world works behind the scenes. And then when they
Speaker 1: were after they were done being used and they were
Speaker 1: ceremoniously fired by the show, I'm sure that created even
Speaker 1: more animosity of whose fault it was and all of that,
Speaker 1: And they're both being told different things, So I get
Speaker 1: how some of that was built up. Then obviously the
Speaker 1: Zach of it all and dating her ex fiance took
Speaker 1: it to an entirely new level. So I think it
Speaker 1: was a fractured relationship that then was blown up because
Speaker 1: of the Zach thing. And then obviously things did not
Speaker 1: come together this weekend at the wedding, but Alan invited
Speaker 1: them both and so it was a great wedding and
Speaker 1: I'm glad there are these moments that still bring it together.
Speaker 1: And when we posted some of the pictures, one of
Speaker 1: the kind of themes I saw and a lot of
Speaker 1: the responses was this is when I love the show
Speaker 1: most these are the OG's. And the funny thing is
Speaker 1: not even the ogs. I mean, that's not Andrew Firestone,
Speaker 1: Bob Guinny, Trista Wrenn. But to a lot of people
Speaker 1: who kind of grew up on the show started in
Speaker 1: high school or college, that that that was the OG.
Speaker 3: I think they say OG because they mean it was
Speaker 3: like a really good era too, like that time of
Speaker 3: like Ben and I mean that's when I started covering
Speaker 3: the show, and that was a good time of the
Speaker 3: Ben and.
Speaker 4: Caitlin, and like I'm Ashley, I and Jared and like
Speaker 4: that Raven.
Speaker 2: That was a good era, you know what. Okay, so
Speaker 2: let's put that I covered the show in a good time.
Speaker 2: Let's put this in Taylor Swift parlance. Let's go I
Speaker 2: would say there's the Trista era. Yeah, and that would
Speaker 2: encompass Bob Ginny Andrew Firestone the beginning of the show,
Speaker 2: and then we had kind of Apex Mountain, the Trista era.
Speaker 2: The next era, gosh, you know that was what JP
Speaker 2: would have probably been a part of. And I'm not
Speaker 2: sure who would be that.
Speaker 4: Like Jason and Molly, JP and Ashley are they in
Speaker 4: the same era?
Speaker 1: The Mesnik era Okay, the mezzenoak Air, the messene era, yeah,
Speaker 1: because he pulled the full Mesnick crying in New Zealand.
Speaker 1: That was so famous. Okay, So you would go from
Speaker 1: Trista to the Mesnick era. Then I would almost go
Speaker 1: back to a Bachelor. It's almost the the Jojo Ben
Speaker 1: Higgins era. Well, let's give him two in that Mount Rushmore,
Speaker 1: that era, the Ben Higgins Jojo.
Speaker 4: Sean though where Sean low Right is Sean? Like is
Speaker 4: that's like him and Emily Maynard And like there's like some.
Speaker 1: Good and all that. Yeah, maybe we've got to throw
Speaker 1: an era in there.
Speaker 4: Well, this dealer shift as many albums, the Bachelors.
Speaker 1: The Shan Loow era, and then I think that gave
Speaker 1: way to the Jojo Ben era. And then let's see
Speaker 1: who would have been the last great era.
Speaker 4: I think that was.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean that like finished, no, you know what
Speaker 3: the last the last one was like Colton Peter Hannah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're right, that was it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then it kind of I think I'm going.
Speaker 1: To give that nod to Coulton Hannah, the Calton Hannah era.
Speaker 1: The jump the fence. He just efing jumped the fence
Speaker 1: to Hannah, which it was hard to beat. Hannah moving
Speaker 1: the podium in the middle of a roserver. Sure, okay,
Speaker 1: have we not done that yet? The Taylor Swift eras tour.
Speaker 4: We need to come to the show names though.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll work on that. But a great wedding and
Speaker 1: our love to Alawn and Mollie. James Gunn. I guess
Speaker 1: we'd be remiss if we didn't mention James Gunn, who
Speaker 1: is the creator and director of Guardians at the Galaxy Movies.
Speaker 1: He's now in charge of the DC universe.
Speaker 3: Okay, he officiated their wedding. Sorry, I just took the
Speaker 3: words on your mouth. Did an excellent job, I really did.
Speaker 3: He introduced them, so he was the perfect person to officiate,
Speaker 3: and he was super funny and their vows were incredible.
Speaker 3: Just they've been together ten years, so they I think
Speaker 3: they even said this in their vows. They've been through
Speaker 3: been through it together and their love.
Speaker 4: Is so deep.
Speaker 3: And I was tearing up during the vows, which I
Speaker 3: just love when people write their own vows at a wedding.
Speaker 3: But I didn't realize is the Bachelor. How you all
Speaker 3: met James gun Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well no, I don't know how Alan met James gun
Speaker 1: but many years ago he became friends with James. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure you know how Alawn and his weird world
Speaker 1: connected with him, but he did. And then he brought
Speaker 1: James on the show. We did those after Paradise shows
Speaker 1: when we'd bring celebrities on and they would talk about
Speaker 1: the show that we just watched, and James Gunn was
Speaker 1: nice enough to come on the show. And that's where
Speaker 1: I met James and befriended him. And it was good
Speaker 1: to see him after because I haven't seen him in
Speaker 1: a while, and it was great. He came up to
Speaker 1: me and I said, first of all, I have priest
Speaker 1: envy because you know, I love hosting and officiating these events.
Speaker 1: But I said, you did a great job. I'm really happy.
Speaker 1: And he told the personal story because Alan and Molly
Speaker 1: actually met at a holiday party at James Gunn's house
Speaker 1: in his kitchen, so it was great to tell that
Speaker 1: story and they had that connection. And he walked up
Speaker 1: to me, gave me a hug, and he's like, dang,
Speaker 1: it's good to see you. He's like, man, you really
Speaker 1: got and I said, so did you, and he goes,
Speaker 1: you're right, and I said, you know the irony by
Speaker 1: the same company, and it's true. ABC Disney just both yes,
Speaker 1: because he.
Speaker 3: Got like I remember now he got fired for those
Speaker 3: for old tweets, yeah, taking off his movies.
Speaker 1: I think the only difference is he had people that
Speaker 1: stood behind him and he got right back on Chris
Speaker 1: Pratt in that whole.
Speaker 3: I think it took a couple of years, but he did.
Speaker 3: The eventually brought him back for Guardians. Yeah, and you're right,
Speaker 3: the cast supported him.
Speaker 1: Well, there you go. But he was funny. It was
Speaker 1: a funny little give and take, and it was funny
Speaker 1: how people were really starstrking bestly Jared Habn big decent.
Speaker 4: Well, Jared's a movie guys.
Speaker 3: You know what, though, I don't think because I know,
Speaker 3: I look, when everything happened, people asked, like, wanted the
Speaker 3: cast to support you more.
Speaker 4: And I remember you saying, and we've said this.
Speaker 3: Before, that you knew anybody who did support you was
Speaker 3: going to get dreamed. I do think that when the
Speaker 3: cast spoke out for James Gunn, it didn't like happen
Speaker 3: right away. It was still I mean, it was such
Speaker 3: a tough time. It was I think years before he
Speaker 3: was brought back. But that's funny that you guys had
Speaker 3: that moment.
Speaker 1: Okay, before we go, we have to talk about something
Speaker 1: that took place yesterday, and I know, don't run.
Speaker 3: Away the Chimp Crazy finale in HBO the new episode
Speaker 3: of Industry on HBO.
Speaker 1: Okay, I do want you to mention the Chimp Crazy
Speaker 1: craze because everybody Joe Rogan's talking about that now here
Speaker 1: in Austin. You're obsessed with it. The finale was last night.
Speaker 3: It's only a four part docuseries. It's from the guy
Speaker 3: who did Tiger King, Eric Good is the director. I
Speaker 3: couldn't recommend it more because it's not just a docuseries
Speaker 3: about people who own exotic animals, chimpanzees especially. It's not
Speaker 3: just like, oh, this industry is messed up. There are
Speaker 3: criminal twists and turns here. I mean the guy who
Speaker 3: did Tiger King like he picks the right people. There
Speaker 3: are twists and turns in a way just like there
Speaker 3: were with Joe Exotic, where you're like, whoa which way
Speaker 3: is this going? And it is absolutely captivating. And the
Speaker 3: finale surprised me. Okay, the last few minutes of the finale,
Speaker 3: I'm like, on the one hand, you've got to be
Speaker 3: kidding me. On the other hand, this makes total sense. Wow.
Speaker 4: And it's a fascinating study in people as well.
Speaker 1: And what we've learned is, and I've not seen it,
Speaker 1: but what we've learned is anybody who owns or deals
Speaker 1: with exotic animals just run.
Speaker 4: Well, there's something really interesting.
Speaker 1: Anyone who owns a tiger, who owns a chimp, or
Speaker 1: owns some weird exotic animal just that's not normal. So
Speaker 1: just no buyer beware if you're getting involved with anyone
Speaker 1: we'll see these people like.
Speaker 3: Look, but there's the element of Okay, like a tiger,
Speaker 3: you're like, this is a wild animal, I don't know,
Speaker 3: it might attack you at some point. Same with a chimp, right,
Speaker 3: And I think what the question gets into is how
Speaker 3: much love is there? And with chimps it's even more
Speaker 3: interesting than tiger's because they're so human like. Right, So
Speaker 3: there's this people study and this isn't a spoiler alert.
Speaker 4: You'll see it throughout the show of especially women.
Speaker 3: They buy these chimps and they treat them like babies,
Speaker 3: like because with a chimp, you know, when they're little,
Speaker 3: you can put it in a dog, carry it around,
Speaker 3: and they really think the animals love them until they
Speaker 3: grow up. Right, And there's really and these women admit
Speaker 3: it on camera like that they need to be needed,
Speaker 3: and it's interesting some of them are like, well, my
Speaker 3: kids left the house and I still needed to be needed.
Speaker 3: And it's a fascinating study to me. I do think
Speaker 3: there's a whole episode, if not multiple, that we could
Speaker 3: do on the podcast about like, I don't know, we've
Speaker 3: seen it with a lot of moms we know, and
Speaker 3: I'm not like criticizing moms over this I'm saying. I
Speaker 3: think we need to acknowledge more like when kids leave
Speaker 3: the house, that's a retirement and that's a life change
Speaker 3: that we need to support women on more so.
Speaker 1: You don't get a chump. Well, okay, so my broadcast
Speaker 1: note would be the debut of Tom Brady. Oh he
Speaker 1: made his broadcast. Abuma.
Speaker 3: We do a good man's plain on this so that
Speaker 3: listeners can go and talk to their So Tom Brad
Speaker 3: husband's about it.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady the greatest quarterback of all time, the goat
Speaker 1: obviously has won more Super Bowls than anybody, et cetera.
Speaker 1: I think we all know who Tom Brady is. But
Speaker 1: he retired from football and there was a bidding frenzy.
Speaker 1: Fox Sports won the war at the tune of three
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars. That is tom Brady's so
Speaker 1: right there. I don't know, but so it's but there's
Speaker 1: not enough years left in his life to ever make
Speaker 1: that makes sense. But that was the first thing that
Speaker 1: people were up in arms about about him making three
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars, and people you know, were
Speaker 1: trolling him because it wasn't a great debut. But my
Speaker 1: point in all of this is I didn't expect him
Speaker 1: to have a good debut. There was no chance he
Speaker 1: was going to have a good debut because television is difficult.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is the greatest of all time, first of all.
Speaker 1: The three hundred and fifty million, if that's what Fox
Speaker 1: chooses to pay him, that's on Fox. It's not on
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. If someone came to me and said, hey, Chris,
Speaker 1: we're going to give you nine hundred million dollars to
Speaker 1: mow your well lawn, great, Okay, I'm not worth that,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to take it. So let's put the
Speaker 1: money aside. Let's talk about the performance. Tom Brady has
Speaker 1: never done anything in his life to prepare for being
Speaker 1: on television. And he's a great quarterback, and his knowledge
Speaker 1: of being the greatest quarterback of all time is definitely
Speaker 1: helpful in this situation. And he's been interviewed, but being
Speaker 1: able to be interviewed and just talk in a monotone
Speaker 1: voice and recount what you did today and someone is
Speaker 1: going to edit that to the most important parts and
Speaker 1: there's no stress, you can't mess up. That doesn't equate
Speaker 1: to being good on television. And I see this a
Speaker 1: lot in reality TV where people are like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be a host. I'm on TV and I'm
Speaker 1: good on TV, so therefore I'm going to be a
Speaker 1: good host. Those two things don't equate.
Speaker 3: Well, they don't realize the producers made them good and
Speaker 3: then the editors made them good and it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Just all that right exactly. A lot goes into making
Speaker 1: you look good on TV as opposed to you actually
Speaker 1: being good on TV, adding color to a situation, or
Speaker 1: hosting a show, oh, et cetera. No one just walks
Speaker 1: into a room and says, great, I'm going to pick
Speaker 1: up a microphone for the first time, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to look like myself, sound like myself, be natural. And
Speaker 1: it's what you do in those situations is you act.
Speaker 1: You overthink. It's as if I was going to be
Speaker 1: quarterback and I would go in, I would pretend I'm
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. I would look at the other players on
Speaker 1: the other side of the field, and it would it
Speaker 1: would feel to me like things are going one thousand
Speaker 1: miles an hour. I would try to think about how
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw, how I'm gonna move, what's going on.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady doesn't think when he's on the field, he
Speaker 1: just sees something and it's second nature. It's like that
Speaker 1: for me on television now, because I've been doing it
Speaker 1: for the better far part of four decades. Is I
Speaker 1: do things second nature that I don't think about. How
Speaker 1: to turn into a camera, my cadence, the way I speak,
Speaker 1: the way I look, how I can help someone i'm
Speaker 1: interviewing look better, how I can position them to look
Speaker 1: better on camera, the lighting of just everything that I
Speaker 1: don't even think about anymore. I've just done it a
Speaker 1: million times, just like Tom Brady has on the field.
Speaker 1: He was asked to do that on camera for the
Speaker 1: first time yesterday. Everybody has a starting point, everybody has
Speaker 1: a Day one. That was day one for Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: He was nervous, he was clumsy, he fumbled the ball,
Speaker 1: he didn't have his timing down. He was apprehensive, he
Speaker 1: was quiet, He never got excited when he needed to.
Speaker 1: When he was on camera, he didn't quite know where
Speaker 1: to look, and there was a nervous feel to it all.
Speaker 1: So he will get there, and I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 1: He actually got better from the first half to the
Speaker 1: second half. His partner is Kevin Burkhardt, who does play
Speaker 1: by play. Kevin didn't exactly help them a lot yesterday,
Speaker 1: and Kevin's a professional, but eventually they will find their rhythm,
Speaker 1: just like Tony Romo and Jim Nance did when they
Speaker 1: started together. Tony Romo was jumping all over Jim Nance
Speaker 1: because Tony was excited and he was picking out the
Speaker 1: plays before they ever happened. Turns out that was awesome,
Speaker 1: and Jim Nantz was such a pro he figured out
Speaker 1: how to work around that. Tom Brady and his partner
Speaker 1: have not figured out that dance yet and if I
Speaker 1: was working with him, and I would love to work
Speaker 1: with you, Tom, he just needs to learn where to
Speaker 1: assert himself, where to insert himself. What we want to
Speaker 1: see from Tom Brady as you are the goat, what
Speaker 1: are you seeing in this play? What are you feeling?
Speaker 1: You've done this a million times? Give us that insight.
Speaker 1: What he was doing yesterday was just reactionary. It's what
Speaker 1: he's seen on TV a million times. It was something
Speaker 1: I could do where I saw the play and I
Speaker 1: would just tell you what just happened. There wasn't a
Speaker 1: whole lot more of depth. I want to hear that
Speaker 1: depth from you. Tom, I want to see that. When
Speaker 1: do you get excited, when do you get nervous? What
Speaker 1: would you be feeling? Tell me that before we see it.
Speaker 1: You know, if six guys walk up to the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and he's about to get blitz, tell me
Speaker 1: that you know those things unlike anybody else, so he'll
Speaker 1: find that rhythm. It wasn't there in day one. You know,
Speaker 1: I'd give him a C plus B minus, but I
Speaker 1: give him grace. None of us were great Day one.
Speaker 1: Lauren was not great Day one of Entertainment Tonight, I
Speaker 1: wasn't Day one of the Bachelor. Ryan Seacrest wasn't Day
Speaker 1: one of American Idol. We all had to work at
Speaker 1: our craft and find our rhythm. Is that fair?
Speaker 4: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: We won't talk about how Tom Brady looked.
Speaker 4: Oh I just.
Speaker 3: Thought his shirt was ill fitting. I thought Gazelle would
Speaker 3: have helped him dress better. One sports story has reached
Speaker 3: my ears shockingly. It's to do with Taylor and Travis.
Speaker 3: But really this is more Taylor. So as you informed me,
Speaker 3: NFL has started again, and I guess at first Taylor
Speaker 3: wasn't in the same suite as Brittany Mahomes Patrick's wife.
Speaker 1: Yes, at quarterback for the Kansas City.
Speaker 3: Chiefs, So I guess usually they're in the same suite
Speaker 3: and at the season or she wasn't in the same suite,
Speaker 3: So people were critiquing her and inferring that she was
Speaker 3: now no longer friends with Brittany because Brittany has been
Speaker 3: seen liking some Trump content on Instagram and Taylor in
Speaker 3: the past has critique Donald Trump and endorsed other candidates.
Speaker 3: So first people are critiquing Taylor, like, well, why are
Speaker 3: you separating yourself from her? It shouldn't be about politics.
Speaker 3: Then they were seen together in the same suite at
Speaker 3: the US Open, and then it became from other people, well, Taylor, know,
Speaker 3: how dare you be friends with her when she likes
Speaker 3: Trump's song? So you just can't win. But I would
Speaker 3: like for all of us to win. And by that
Speaker 3: I just mean we really gotta look. I know like you,
Speaker 3: and I don't like to get deeply into politics because
Speaker 3: I just think there are a lot of sources people
Speaker 3: can go to. Although, by the way, I don't know,
Speaker 3: let us know, would you like? The first presidential debate
Speaker 3: is tomorrow night.
Speaker 4: The election is coming.
Speaker 1: Because first of all, we do get deep into politics,
Speaker 1: Lauren and I talk about because it is a show,
Speaker 1: and it's a lot about show business and a lot
Speaker 1: of the things, a lot of the things from our
Speaker 1: life apply to it. We find it very interesting to
Speaker 1: debate and talk about this stuff ourselves. So yeah, if
Speaker 1: you guys want us to get into politics, let us know,
Speaker 1: we'll do it.
Speaker 3: And also, you know there's an election coming up, So yes,
Speaker 3: I think we're all thinking about the election.
Speaker 4: We all should be.
Speaker 3: It's a topic, and that's exactly my point. We should
Speaker 3: all be able to talk about it. Now, I get it.
Speaker 3: I agree with everyone like or I agree with a
Speaker 3: lot of people in that I think celebrities have gotten
Speaker 3: too much.
Speaker 4: Here's who I'm endorsing, Here's who you should vote for.
Speaker 3: Heres and I it's like people think about who you're
Speaker 3: going to for your information versus your commentary versus your discussion.
Speaker 3: But I also think we all have to be able
Speaker 3: to discuss without hatred and isolation. Like, no, she shouldn't
Speaker 3: have Like it would not have been a good thing
Speaker 3: if because her friend feels politically different from her, they're
Speaker 3: no longer friends.
Speaker 4: That is the divisiveness that is the problem.
Speaker 3: No matter how you feel we all got to be
Speaker 3: able to hang out with each other and think and
Speaker 3: feel differently than each other and still talk to each other.
Speaker 3: And I think we've gotten to this place where it's like, well, no,
Speaker 3: your views are morally wrong, so I have to no
Speaker 3: longer be friends with you, and we really have to
Speaker 3: pull back on that.
Speaker 1: Bill Maher did a great take and a good rant
Speaker 1: the other day about just this, because our FK dropped
Speaker 1: out of the race for the most part and has
Speaker 1: backed Trump. Whatever you think about that, totally up to you.
Speaker 1: His rant was about Cheryl Hines, rfk's wife, who is
Speaker 1: an actress. She's on Curby. Your enthusiasm was very good
Speaker 1: friends when you're friendly with Cheryl, Yeah, and I know
Speaker 1: Shore we played poker together several times. Wonderful and a
Speaker 1: great actress. And the rant was about people coming after
Speaker 1: Cheryl Hines, and one of them was Bradley Whitford, who
Speaker 1: was very publicly just tore her apart on Twitter break
Speaker 1: after from Yeah West Wing. Yeah, real brave Bradley to
Speaker 1: come after her via Twitter. But despite that, just that
Speaker 1: it was a great, great scenario of exactly what you're
Speaker 1: talking about, people destroying Cheryl Hines. Because she stood kind
Speaker 1: of quietly beside her husband as he ran for president
Speaker 1: and has made his own political decisions, and it's like,
Speaker 1: why are we destroying this woman? Why are you coming
Speaker 1: after his wife? That's the level we've stooped to. And
Speaker 1: even as Bill Maher said, and if Bill Maher is
Speaker 1: the voice of reason, guys, this is this is where
Speaker 1: we've gotten well.
Speaker 3: And I think people get caught up in like who
Speaker 3: started this vibe of rhetoric, Like they go back.
Speaker 4: To, well, you said this, and it's like, ultimately, we just.
Speaker 3: All have to we have to pull it back, but
Speaker 3: we have to just be like I've seen a few.
Speaker 4: I think his name is Tom Cotton.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this is my political senator, Tom Cotton.
Speaker 3: He's whatever your views are, he speaks in a calm
Speaker 3: like just from what I've seen, fact informed way where
Speaker 3: he just is like, listen, this is why I disagree
Speaker 3: with you. I've seen a few other politicians who are
Speaker 3: like that. Vivag is like that, like you, we just
Speaker 3: need to get back to like the days when Obama
Speaker 3: and Romney were debating and they shook hands beforehand and
Speaker 3: then they went on with the debate and it came
Speaker 3: from place of.
Speaker 1: Respect and then shook hands after the debate.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that's what I would like to see. But
Speaker 4: I don't think we're going to get that in our debate.
Speaker 4: But if our.
Speaker 3: Leaders aren't going to do it, we as a people
Speaker 3: are I know friends who will say, like, I won't
Speaker 3: date someone based on their political party.
Speaker 4: Look, I don't think you can.
Speaker 3: I think it might be tough in a relationship to
Speaker 3: feel extremely different from your partner. But you and your
Speaker 3: partner can like feel a little bit differently on things.
Speaker 3: I don't think you should say no, I just won't
Speaker 3: it all date someone if they might be in a
Speaker 3: different political affiliation than you, and and we can all
Speaker 3: feel a little differently and talk about it.
Speaker 1: And as you said that, the big debate is this week.
Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, and I'll seed it.
Speaker 4: I'm seated.
Speaker 1: All of this may be for not? Is that what
Speaker 1: the kids are saying, I'm seated for it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought I thought you were asking me. Are
Speaker 3: the kids saying all for not? Yes, the kids are
Speaker 3: saying all for not.
Speaker 1: Well, the kids are saying, what have you guys done
Speaker 1: to our country?
Speaker 4: Let's try to get a better okay.
Speaker 1: And we have a big week this week, beyond the
Speaker 1: politics of it all is we are headed up to
Speaker 1: the Fort. We'll be in Fort Worth this weekend because
Speaker 1: guess what, lze more football. It's parents weekend and we
Speaker 1: will be at the TCU football game this weekend. Don't
Speaker 1: worry there, We'll be your couterie. There will be drinks.
Speaker 3: That's on the record. You're promising. Okay, I can't wait
Speaker 3: for parents Home Goods weekend.
Speaker 1: It's oh good. That is the Actually.
Speaker 3: That was earlier this summer when we were shopping and
Speaker 3: helping Josh with his apartment in Taylor with our new house.
Speaker 3: That was my parents' weekend was when I got to
Speaker 3: go to Home Goods with the kids.
Speaker 1: So if you're up in the Fort and you see
Speaker 1: LZ and I around this week, come say hello to us.
Speaker 1: But have a great week and we love talking to you.
Speaker 1: We will do it again next time because we have
Speaker 1: a lot more to talk about. Thanks for listening. Follow
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