WEBVTT - A Very Bachelor Wedding 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:06.000 This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:11.000 Chris Harrison coming to you from the home office in Austin, 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:15.000 Texas with my love Lauren Zima. We are home. We 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:18.040 were gone this weekend, as many saw on social media, 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:20.240 a lot of Bachelor Nation, a lot of our Bachelor 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:23.000 family were gone this weekend. We were all in La 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:27.400 La Land for a big wedding of a very good 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.400 friend of ours. I think we confuse some people, first 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:32.400 of all, on the whole wedding thing of who it was, 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:35.519 because a lot of people saw our pictures, like, I 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:37.720 don't know the bearded guy, who are those people dancing? 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:40.440 And so let me just clear that up. To start, 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:44.600 Alan Gail and Molly Quinn is who got married. So Alan, 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:47.839 who Alan is to me was a young producer who 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:50.800 I met on The Bachelor many many years ago, and 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:52.959 I watched this young man come through the ranks as 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.520 a producer, a segment producer, and on up to executive producer. 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.800 Unbelievably talented. He was there, I think the better part 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:02.640 of a decade. Alan was there, and he was really 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:07.080 there during the magic years of Ben Higgins and Ari 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:09.960 and Jojo and all those years Emily made it all 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:12.080 those years that you really loved and when The Bachelor 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:14.880 was just crushing it. Milan was a big part of that, 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:17.560 and so he was getting married to Mollie. And Mollie 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:19.560 you might know as a great actress. 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:20.160 Yeah. 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:23.520 I think she was on the show Castle as a younger, 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:27.280 a child star, honestly, and then she's gone on to 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:29.920 do She did a horror movie last year. Her and 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:32.759 Alan make movies together and do a bunch of producing together. 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:36.480 I knew Alan as a reporter even before I really 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.400 knew you because when I first started covering the show, 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:41.880 which was twenty fifteen, Ben Higgins. This season was my 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.080 first season covering the show for Entertainment Tonight, Alan was 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:45.800 known as like. 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:47.840 The producer of The Bachelor. 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:50.240 I think he was the only one who sort of 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.760 had a bit of a celebrity of his own as 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.800 a producer. Like he I think he went viral for 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:58.960 do you remember this for like tweeting a breakup which 0:01:59.000 --> 0:01:59.680 I can't remember if. 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.000 The break up was real, he was fake. He did 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.040 a fake tweet on a plane. 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:06.120 Yes, and those tweets went viral because he kind of 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:10.320 like invented live tweeting a personal encounter to social media. 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:12.080 I'll give him credit for that, even though he paid. 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.600 It really did he It was he was ahead of 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:16.800 his time on social media. He's a really he's really 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.360 brilliant as a producer but also as a writer. And 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.040 he's and I say this with all love, he's weird. 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:24.760 I think he embrace he's a weird dude. And so 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:26.920 he was doing a lot of this stuff and that, 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.680 honestly is what got him fired from The Bachelor is 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.480 he was too popular and too good. And I can't 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:36.240 tell you that drove the creator of the show nuts. 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:39.680 He hated a lawn. A lawn was so popular and 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:42.880 everybody knew a lawn, and the creator of the Bachelor, 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.359 it was so it was so sad to watch. He 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.360 wanted followers. He would make all of us post stuff 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:51.720 to get him followers on social media. He was so 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.840 mad that I got social media followers that Alawn got 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.880 so it was really hysterical. So when all that happened, 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.520 that just drove him crazy. And that's it what got 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:02.680 him fired is a lawn just got too popular. They 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:05.120 started a rule because of a lawn that people weren't 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:07.119 allowed to post on social media. 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:12.359 Isn't that great when your boss is upset about your success. Yes, exactly, 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:14.560 which you're getting because you're doing a good job. 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.800 Our show was just the best part is we had 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.120 this and everybody was there this week and it was awesome. 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:24.040 Bennett Grabner who was still with the show, Pete's Scaltar, 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:27.360 and Elon Gale. It was a three headed monster at 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.399 the time, and there were other talented people on the show. 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:31.360 I don't mean it was just those three, but at 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:35.760 the time, really a lawn. Pete and Bennett were this 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.880 three headed monster that did a fighter of producers that 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:40.520 did a great job because they all kind of gave 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:45.160 us a little something different. And systematically there was so 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:49.080 much jealousy from above that two of those three people 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.920 got fired, and then others were being fired. The more 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.240 people were talented and the better the show was doing, 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.080 the more jealousy there was, and the more they got 0:03:56.120 --> 0:04:00.520 fired until there was no talent left. It was really bizarre. 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.360 The uh, it's like eating itself like you're not This 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.560 is not a good way to grow a company. 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.440 Yeah, narcissism is a wonderful thing to watch an action. 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:13.400 Well, what was great was the reunion of this group 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:18.719 of people this weekend because you know, I think, yeah, 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:20.960 you and I have talked about this a lot. I 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:22.680 am in the place now where I just think like 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:24.720 a lot of good and a lot of bad came 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:26.599 out of all the Bachelor stuff, and I think it's 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.279 hard for a thing to be perfect. And when a 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:33.240 thing is that successful, there's obviously and successful via drama. 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:35.760 There's going to be drama behind the scenes too. But 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:39.200 this weekend it was really great to see everybody. There 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:43.919 were Okay, Bachelor wise, we had Ben Higgins and Jess Clark, 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.279 who is just, oh my gosh. Jess has never looked 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:47.960 more beautiful. 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.839 You don't have cliche about glowing when you're pregnant. 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.120 Yeah, she it's suiting her so well. She was just like. 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:57.080 Lively and gorgeous and it was so good to see 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.680 her and you know, her inventor, just the kindest of people. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:01.040 We love them so much. 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.560 And Raven and Adam. That was a funny story which 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:09.160 I will reveal on here. Raven got her dates mixed 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:12.560 up on when the wedding was. I texted her Friday 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:14.200 and said, can't wait to see you tomorrow. 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:15.039 She said, for what? 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.040 And she and Adam love Elan so much that they 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:22.320 booked a flight the next day and got their butts 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.279 down to the wedding. Dear sweet Raven, who is busy 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.279 with two kids at home at put the wedding as 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.720 a date in twenty twenty five in her calendar. She 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.360 was had RSVP and was ready to appear, but thought 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.880 it was next year. My phone call with Raven was 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:38.720 amazing because I called her, I'm like, what do you 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.520 mean for what? And she's like in her everything's better 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.240 in her southern accent, Lauren, Oh my god, I got 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.599 two kids at my head up my butt. I thought 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.640 it was next year. Adam is so mad at me. 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:53.200 But they came and it was awesome to see them. 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:54.640 Who else am I missing? 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:59.040 It was a ball or move and people, Well, two 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.839 people that weren't there asked about Wells and Sarah. Sarah's 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:03.599 on Broadway right now, so they were in New York. 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:05.440 Sadly they had to miss. 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:06.799 Ashley and Jared. 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.200 Jared, they've had a baby since you've. 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.880 Seen that, I mean, I know they've two kids for 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.800 them now as well. They revealed that they conceived our 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:16.800 baby right around our wedding. 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:18.760 I thought it was I thought she was going to 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:20.760 say at our wedding, and I was like, oh, that's 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:22.000 great name the baby Austin. 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.760 It was after us, well, it was in my mind, 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:25.920 it was there. She was like, it was like a 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:27.400 week later. I'm like, well, maybe it was at the 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.000 wedding a week earlier. 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:35.360 Grocery store Joe was there and Serena, Yes, they look 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:36.640 they look so happy. 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:39.159 I know, they're like so positive and such a lovely, 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:43.520 gorgeous couple Ari Ari and Lauren and another just good 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:45.679 looking pair. There's so many beautiful people at these weddings. 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:47.600 They should have been on television. 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.320 And so happy to see them, and I want them 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:52.200 to have more babies. 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.800 There were some people behind the scenes too. Bennett Gradner 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.040 was there, who was who is still an executive producer 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.160 on the show and I still keep in touch with. 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:04.599 And Nicole Woods was there, Michael Shay, who is the 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:09.880 director farm producer and she's left the show. Peter Geist, 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.200 who was another one who was let go from the show, 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:15.280 who was incredibly talented. Basically anybody talented was there, and 0:07:15.320 --> 0:07:17.560 they've all been let go from the show over the years, 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.200 except for Bennett, who still somehow has survived. God bless 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:23.880 his soul, and Michael Shay, who was the director of 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:27.160 all the Great Bachelor in Paradise years and is a 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:30.360 phenomenal director on the show. And so it was fun 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.440 to for me, it was fun to walk back into 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:36.000 that world and with a bunch of friends, people I love, 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.840 people I miss because, as you just said, Lauren's right, 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:43.000 not everything's perfect, and yes, thing's in for a reason. 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:46.120 And I think everybody knows how dramatic my ending was, 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.960 and everybody leaves in their own particular way, but it 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:53.120 can't diminish the good. And I think that happens a 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.760 lot in life when we leave situations and you let 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:57.880 it taint the whole thing, you let it tarnish the 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:02.000 whole thing. For me, I told before we went, I 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.800 had maybe an ounce of trepidation, but I was I 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.480 was really excited to see everybody. A lot of people 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.600 had reached out about being excited to see U. JP 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:10.760 Rosenbaum was there. 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:12.720 We were trying to set them up with somebody. 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:14.720 I was trying to set them up with somebody. 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.320 No, no potentials there, but you know JP is single 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:18.120 and ready to mingle. 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.640 There was one potential there. Oh yeah, she's on the 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.280 opposite coast, and so I don't think it's I don't 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.160 think it would behoove us to make that work. 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:31.000 Also, former producer Cassie Lambert, Yes, who you were. I 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:32.640 was excited to meet a couple of these people because 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.679 you told me great stories about Pete and Cassie and 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:36.199 I never met them, and they are so fun and 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.400 such a blast, and you know, I actually think but like, 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.400 I appreciate you saying you had a little trepidation because 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.079 there were a couple of people you hadn't seen since 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.920 leaving the show, like between the pandemic and us moving 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.760 to Texas. And I know a few of those in 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.920 their producers, and a few of them you'd like, I 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:55.800 think one you'd had a phone call with, and one 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:56.160 you had not. 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:58.600 You had not spoken to since all this happened. 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:00.360 Because some of you know, some of the producers. Look 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.120 at the time when I left, a lot of those 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.760 producers were still there and they had been family to 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:06.840 me for a long time. But they also had to 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:10.080 pick sides, and so I didn't begrudge them that I 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.520 wasn't mad. I mean, you would love for people to 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:20.720 stand up and say, you know, this isn't working. This 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.040 isn't right. You know, we believe in Chris. We love you, 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.160 and I knew they loved me. But I also knew 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:26.720 that they had a job to do, and they have families, 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:30.040 and they had lives and mortgages to pay. And I 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.640 also went through a moment this weekend where I realized 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.400 I hadn't done that for somebody on the show, a 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:38.720 producer who I talked to about that this weekend. It 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.679 was kind of a cathartic weekend. And so while you 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:44.240 hope for certain things, you can't let that cloud your 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.559 judgment of people when they had to make a choice, 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:48.880 and they were forced to make a choice. And it's 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.120 something that I actually really leaned into this weekend and 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.480 learned because you and I talked through a certain issue 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:58.360 when you don't hold the power in a situation, when 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:02.680 when power is leveraged against you, you really are forced 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:06.040 to do certain things. And I know a lot of 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.320 these people were forced to do certain things at the time, 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.679 and so I never begrudge them that and I hold 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:15.440 no ill will. And when I saw them this weekend there, 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.079 let's just say this, there were some extra long hugs 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.200 with three or four people that I hadn't seen since 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.559 I left the show, mostly off camera, behind the scenes producers, 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.199 where we all just held each other a little tighter 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:30.280 than normal and hugged about three or four seconds longer, 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.440 where we just wanted each other to know, Hey, I 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.240 still love you, I still respect you, and I'm so 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:36.520 happy to see you. And that made my heart feel 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:37.120 really good. 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:38.560 See you walked away feeling good. 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.480 I felt great. Yeah, yeah, I felt so good about 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.520 coming home. I was on a high. And obviously the 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.800 cast members I've always had a great relationship with, obviously 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.360 Ben and Joe and Serena since I've met her through Joe. 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:53.120 I didn't get to know her on the show, but 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.200 I've met her through grocery store Joe, who I still 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.120 call grocery store Joe. But Ari and Lauren and you 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.480 name it. It was fun to just see all the people. 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.839 So let's talk about the wedding. There wasn't a lot 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:16.920 of drama. I hate to say this. I would love 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.320 to come with some crazy juice today that there was 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:24.720 an amazing drama. But again, what I found was much 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.120 like our wedding, which was a year ago. We're coming 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:31.600 up on a year. It was just wonderful when all 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:33.640 these people, a lot of these cast members and producers 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.200 got together. We were all just really excited to see 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:37.560 each other in Well, I'll. 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:39.240 Be honest, I think there are a few things under 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:43.520 the surface, but you don't bring that up at somebody's wedding. 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:47.679 I think that's the bit, the more truthful reality, Like 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.920 there wasn't drama because you don't choose to make drama 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.640 someone's wedding. Like I think there were a few. I 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:55.440 mean I even heard a few people be like like, 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:56.760 there are a few people like, oh, I'm a little 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.560 tense to see this person or that person, and like 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.040 you just said, you had a little trepidation. Maybe not drama, 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:05.640 but I mean I found out later about our wedding, Like, 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:09.160 for example, Jess Clark and I were talking a little 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:13.800 bit so at our wedding. I didn't know at the time, 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.160 and I'm glad people like hit it from us because 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.079 we were just enjoying the wedding. It's the polite thing 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:19.960 to do, if you guys, if you're bringing drama into 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:23.120 a situation, leave it at the door at someone's wedding, right, 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.720 But I found out later there was like chatter happening 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:28.360 when we had all the Bachelor of people at our 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:32.440 house on Friday before our wedding on Saturday, about Caitlyn 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.160 and Tasha and like between Caitlyn and Tasha, because Caitlyn 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:37.920 and Tasha were both there and at the time it 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.840 was like Caitlin is seeing Zach and Tasha was obviously 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:41.560 tense about that. 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:42.600 And what. 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:48.360 I sort of realized this weekend was Caitlin just revealed 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:50.640 in the press that she had this phone call with Tasha, right. 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:52.319 I think she revealed that on her podcast. 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:56.240 That phone call where Caitlin was like, I'm dating Zach 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.320 was apparently just a couple days before our wedding. 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:01.520 Yes, he had no idea. 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:02.319 So the drama. 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.880 I knew there was tension at the wedding, but I 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:06.920 didn't know just how fresh it all was. 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.559 Two days before our wedding they had that phone call. 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.560 Well, and I think Caitlyn and Tasha were both invited 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:14.960 to this wedding this weekend and neither showed up. 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:17.040 And I do not know why. 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.160 I have no idea why, but I was wondering how 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.120 that would be and if stuff would get worked out 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:23.920 or not, Like sometimes the wedding can be a great 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.360 moment for a conversation to be had. You know, if 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.800 there is drama, make sure it's positive at the wedding. 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:31.880 But yeah, they didn't show up. 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:33.680 Yeah, that was I was going to say, that's the 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:37.679 only thing that may have helped, honestly, because I guess, well, 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.160 I was wondering how it would be very publicly. That 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:43.280 drama has continued on and there's been more and I 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.360 guess look, at first there was the rumors that Caitlyn 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:50.920 had dated Zach, Tasha's old fiance. Now that's just public knowledge, 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:55.320 and Caitlyn has confirmed it herself, as only Caitlin would 0:13:55.400 --> 0:14:00.559 about the picture that she would release, But. 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:02.880 She I had a picture. 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.000 She I think she made like a She made kind 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.240 of a crude joke that didn't go over well that 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.600 she should have just sent a picture of her pleasuring. 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:12.600 Oh oh, it. 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:14.400 Was a joke and it didn't go over well. 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:16.480 We need to have Kaitlin on, I know. 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:20.000 We should, we should and reached out. Tasha reached out 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.800 and texted before the wedding, was like, hey, I'm sorry, 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.280 I'm not going to be there. I miss you. I 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:26.800 didn't put two and two together at the time, so 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.320 I didn't ask why. I didn't say, is it because 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:31.720 you just don't want this interaction to happen? And I 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.520 get Look, if you haven't, if you really are at 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:36.440 war with somebody, it's not great to show up at 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.520 the same wedding. But I wish they would have been there. 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:42.520 I need to bring these two back together. That's that's 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.320 my new goal. I'm going to bring Tasia Caitlin back together. 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:46.920 Do you think that's possible? 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.560 I think so. I think I think we can. 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:52.560 I don't know if they were were they I guess 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:53.520 they were friends before. 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.400 I think they were friendly. You know, I don't know 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.880 what happened when I left and they were brought in 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.400 and how they were pitted against each other. I know 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.440 they were very much used in that situation. I also 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.520 know how the Bachelor world works, so I know that 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:12.240 they were probably also produced against each other, pitted against 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.480 each other, which is quite silly, but that's just how 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.240 that world works behind the scenes. And then when they 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.720 were after they were done being used and they were 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:24.080 ceremoniously fired by the show, I'm sure that created even 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:27.000 more animosity of whose fault it was and all of that, 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:29.760 And they're both being told different things, So I get 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:31.800 how some of that was built up. Then obviously the 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.840 Zach of it all and dating her ex fiance took 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.040 it to an entirely new level. So I think it 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:40.680 was a fractured relationship that then was blown up because 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.320 of the Zach thing. And then obviously things did not 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.280 come together this weekend at the wedding, but Alan invited 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.440 them both and so it was a great wedding and 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.400 I'm glad there are these moments that still bring it together. 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.160 And when we posted some of the pictures, one of 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:57.560 the kind of themes I saw and a lot of 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.480 the responses was this is when I love the show 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.200 most these are the OG's. And the funny thing is 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.720 not even the ogs. I mean, that's not Andrew Firestone, 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.040 Bob Guinny, Trista Wrenn. But to a lot of people 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.320 who kind of grew up on the show started in 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.400 high school or college, that that that was the OG. 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.480 I think they say OG because they mean it was 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.320 like a really good era too, like that time of 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.720 like Ben and I mean that's when I started covering 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:21.600 the show, and that was a good time of the 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:22.440 Ben and. 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:27.280 Caitlin, and like I'm Ashley, I and Jared and like 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:28.280 that Raven. 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:30.360 That was a good era, you know what. Okay, so 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.240 let's put that I covered the show in a good time. 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:35.360 Let's put this in Taylor Swift parlance. Let's go I 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.840 would say there's the Trista era. Yeah, and that would 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:43.200 encompass Bob Ginny Andrew Firestone the beginning of the show, 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.520 and then we had kind of Apex Mountain, the Trista era. 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:51.080 The next era, gosh, you know that was what JP 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:52.880 would have probably been a part of. And I'm not 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:53.960 sure who would be that. 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:55.960 Like Jason and Molly, JP and Ashley are they in 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:56.440 the same era? 0:16:56.560 --> 0:17:01.200 The Mesnik era Okay, the mezzenoak Air, the messene era, yeah, 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.080 because he pulled the full Mesnick crying in New Zealand. 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.120 That was so famous. Okay, So you would go from 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:09.560 Trista to the Mesnick era. Then I would almost go 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.040 back to a Bachelor. It's almost the the Jojo Ben 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:16.160 Higgins era. Well, let's give him two in that Mount Rushmore, 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.679 that era, the Ben Higgins Jojo. 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:23.159 Sean though where Sean low Right is Sean? Like is 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:25.960 that's like him and Emily Maynard And like there's like some. 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:28.800 Good and all that. Yeah, maybe we've got to throw 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:29.520 an era in there. 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.440 Well, this dealer shift as many albums, the Bachelors. 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:34.440 The Shan Loow era, and then I think that gave 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:38.880 way to the Jojo Ben era. And then let's see 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:40.800 who would have been the last great era. 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:42.280 I think that was. 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:44.000 It. 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.359 Well, I mean that like finished, no, you know what 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:51.600 the last the last one was like Colton Peter Hannah. 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.679 Yeah, yeah, you're right, that was it. 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:57.360 Yeah, and then it kind of I think I'm going. 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:00.840 To give that nod to Coulton Hannah, the Calton Hannah era. 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:05.040 The jump the fence. He just efing jumped the fence 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.440 to Hannah, which it was hard to beat. Hannah moving 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:12.119 the podium in the middle of a roserver. Sure, okay, 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.560 have we not done that yet? The Taylor Swift eras tour. 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:17.520 We need to come to the show names though. 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:20.119 Okay, we'll work on that. But a great wedding and 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:24.359 our love to Alawn and Mollie. James Gunn. I guess 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.800 we'd be remiss if we didn't mention James Gunn, who 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:31.760 is the creator and director of Guardians at the Galaxy Movies. 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:33.640 He's now in charge of the DC universe. 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.399 Okay, he officiated their wedding. Sorry, I just took the 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.720 words on your mouth. Did an excellent job, I really did. 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.560 He introduced them, so he was the perfect person to officiate, 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.359