1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Hey, keep us with us. 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 2: A senior baseball writer for The Athletic Friend of Ours 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: joining us right now on FT Keith. It is great 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: to see articles coming out fast and furious too. 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 3: How you doing, man? 6 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 4: Not good? 7 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 5: I'm actually back home after a week in the desert 8 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 5: where it was one hundred and eat one day. 9 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 4: I think the guy like the heat, and. 10 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 5: It is a dry heat that might be above my 11 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 5: threshold for actually like working. 12 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: Great spot to cook eggs just right on your seat, 13 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 2: which we'll. 14 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: Get to actually anyway, right. 15 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 2: Anywhere, anything out there, and I want to get to that. 16 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: I do want to start with your breakout candidates column. 17 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 4: So let's go there. 18 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 2: If you can give me a sneak peek, give me 19 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: a couple of players that stand out and maybe some 20 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: that have the comments either roaring positively or negatively. 21 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 5: No one ever disagrees with when I pick a breakout 22 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 5: always why didn't you pick this guy too? 23 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 3: Right? 24 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 4: I'm not a I have no crystal ball. 25 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 5: I promise my history with these breakouts is pretty mixed. Like, 26 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 5: I definitely don't claim to any kind of superpowers here. 27 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 5: The biggest name was well, I guess literally and figuratively 28 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 5: is calculate on with the Royals, who I think is 29 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 5: a pretty popular breakout pick. 30 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 4: I think all of. 31 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,839 Speaker 5: Us who tracked him going back to college and we've 32 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 5: talked about him, I think on your show before, he's 33 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 5: so much better than what we saw from him last year. Obviously, 34 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 5: the power is insane, but he became sort of this 35 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 5: weird pull side ground ball hitter. 36 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 4: In the big leagues last year. 37 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 5: And I'm attributing a lot of that to just he 38 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 5: was in the big in the majors too soon. He 39 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 5: only had about a month in Double A, a month 40 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 5: and Triple A maybe a little more than that, and 41 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 5: they called him up and he wasn't ready. And some 42 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 5: of it is probably just bad luck. He's just never 43 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 5: been that bad before. And I see a guy with 44 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 5: way too much ability power. It's actually a really good 45 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 5: athlete for his size. He's generally had better feel to 46 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 5: hit than that, and I think the bar is pretty 47 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 5: low for him to be a brain out player. Right 48 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 5: If he just hits a little bit, it's going to 49 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 5: be twenty five to thirty home runs, and that's going 50 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 5: to be you know, impact, whether you're talking about real 51 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 5: world or you know, a lot of people read this 52 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 5: column for fantasy purposes, so I led with him specifically 53 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 5: because I think the upside is so big. And I 54 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 5: also just mentioned Shane Boz because he came up in 55 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 5: trade this winter and at the time I said, this 56 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 5: is a great pit great pickup for the Orioles, because 57 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 5: I already thought he was going to break out, and 58 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 5: now he goes to a team that's probably going to 59 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 5: help him work on some of the pitch design stuff. 60 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 5: That is like kind of the finishing off of Shane 61 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 5: Boz as a pitcher. He's obviously always flashed good stuff, 62 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 5: but last year you could see him messing with his 63 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 5: arsenal even mid season, and I think just getting him 64 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 5: to a pretty consistent pitch mix and another full year 65 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 5: of health is probably the key to him stepping forward 66 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 5: and becoming an above average starter, maybe even a top 67 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 5: of the rotation guy. 68 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 6: All Right, one of the guys you have on the 69 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 6: list is Evan Carter. Do you feel like we're just 70 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 6: going back to twenty twenty three off season going into 71 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 6: twenty twenty four because I thought he was going to 72 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 6: be Rookie of the Year after what he did in 73 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 6: the playoffs, and a precursor is always Oh, this guy 74 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 6: controls the strikes and I forget where they called him, 75 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 6: like the three to two Carter or something, or full 76 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 6: count Carter, something crazy like that. And it's been injuries, 77 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 6: it's been inconsistency. What do you see as the breakout 78 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 6: and what's the you know, is there is there something 79 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 6: we need to look for once he actually starts to 80 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 6: break out in the big leagues. 81 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, when he when I first saw him in the minors, 82 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 5: I worried, is this guy just passive as he up 83 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 5: there just to take take, take, But you really saw 84 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 5: that playoff run that Now this is an actual approach. 85 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 5: He's getting himself into hitters counts and then he's trying 86 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 5: to do damage. 87 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 4: It's all we ask. 88 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 5: It's not actually that complicated, not that it's easy to execute, 89 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 5: but in terms of what are we saying hitters should do, 90 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 5: it's not take just to draw walks. You're trying to 91 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 5: get yourself into good situations to drive the ball, and 92 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 5: he showed us he could do that. 93 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 4: I agree with you. 94 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 5: Hells is the number one thing, right, If Evan Carter 95 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 5: had already had a full healthy season in the last 96 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 5: two years, he's already broken out and I'm not talking 97 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 5: about him here. I do think with him, I've seen 98 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 5: conflicting things in the press recently. Is he going to 99 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 5: play against left eas or is he left EASi or 100 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 5: is he just going to platoon? I think he should 101 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 5: probably just platoon, unless they're willing to just accept it's 102 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 5: a big learning curve when he's batting against the left 103 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 5: handed pitcher, but against the right handed pitcher. Look for 104 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 5: him to look like he did in twenty twenty three, 105 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 5: to get himself headed the account again and to be 106 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 5: able to drive the ball, which I think will be 107 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 5: another indicator that. 108 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 4: Particularly the back problems are behind you. 109 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 5: Can he get into his strength, Can he get into 110 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 5: his lower half again and be particularly pulling the ball 111 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 5: with some authority. 112 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 4: I don't love to lean just. 113 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 5: On exit blosses, but I do think in his case, 114 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 5: it's probably a bit of a clue as to how 115 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 5: healthy he is and whether he's trying to compensate for 116 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 5: some of the back stuff which I think has affected 117 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 5: him the last two years. Where he'd play but his 118 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 5: back wasn't one hundred percent and so you weren't seeing 119 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 5: the scene kind of at least the base power, if 120 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 5: not over the fence power. Then he flashed in twenty three. 121 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 5: I think, at least against right handed pitchers, who'll be 122 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 5: the twenty twenty three version again against left handed pitchers. 123 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 5: At the very least, it's going to take time. He 124 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 5: hasn't hit them yet in the big leagues, and he 125 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 5: doesn't have a whole lot of experience either. 126 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 7: I mean, Evan Carter is one thing, but then you 127 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 7: have Kobe Mayo with the Orioles. When do we just 128 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 7: decide that maybe these guys are what they've shown so far. 129 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 7: It's been a few years for both these guys, as 130 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 7: much as we want Mayo and Carter and some of 131 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 7: these other guys. Now Kaglione obviously has a smaller sample 132 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 7: size than some of these other guys, but these Carter 133 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 7: and Mayo have a. 134 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: Little bit bigger of a track record. When do we 135 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 3: just say, hey, this is what they are. 136 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 5: I used to be more along those lines, think more 137 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 5: alone those lines. 138 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 4: But because of. 139 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 5: How much development work is happening behind the scenes, including 140 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 5: things like swing changes or drills to work on I'm 141 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 5: thinking more hitters here, but to work on tunneling to 142 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 5: be able to pick up a pitch tight were a 143 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 5: location sooner out of the pitcher's hand, which I think 144 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 5: of with Austin Riley, who was flat out bad for 145 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 5: a year plus in the majors and then did that 146 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 5: work on pitch recognition location recognition and became an All 147 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 5: Star after doing that. Spencer Torklssen last year, who I 148 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 5: was kind of out at that point. Going to last year, 149 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 5: I was like, oh my god, the Torkalsen break again. 150 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 5: Are we doing this again? Because it was five years 151 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 5: since he'd been drafted, I think three years in the 152 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 5: big leagues at that point, and it hadn't happened. In 153 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 5: both Carter and Mayo's case, there's been so much interrupted 154 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 5: playing time they're up, they're down, or Carter's case it 155 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 5: was the injured list. Mayo's case there was a demotion 156 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 5: or getting him moved around multiple positions. I put Mayo 157 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 5: on the list. He had a really good spring training. 158 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 5: He's hitting the ballhard again. Sure it looks like he's 159 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 5: going to get consistent playing time. And that has been 160 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 5: my thing with him since they first called him up, 161 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 5: is call him up and and tell him, look, this 162 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 5: is your job for two three hundred at bats. You're 163 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 5: not going to the miners after it, oh for four tomorrow, 164 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 5: because a lot of time it looked like that's how 165 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 5: he was hitting. And having seeing him all the way 166 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 5: up through the miners low A all the way up 167 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 5: some at least your double leg, that's not who he is. 168 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 5: He is not a tentative hitter. 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Please support our show and tell 198 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: them we sent you a right. 199 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 6: Well, I have another breakout star because they the news 200 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 6: just broke. Robert Murray just broke that Kevin mcgonagal will 201 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 6: make the opening day roster for the Tigers. So there's 202 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 6: there's your breakout star. What are we nice as non 203 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 6: Tigers fans, as non minor league prospect fans, supposed to 204 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 6: look for and from this PA native. 205 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 4: Yes. 206 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 5: In fact, when I met McGonagall at the Futures Game 207 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 5: last year, asked him the most important question. 208 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 4: I just said, go Berts, he's absolutely so. 209 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 5: You know he's going to be a star because he's 210 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 5: got his priorities in place he can hit, he had really, 211 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 5: really hit. He is one of the best pure hitting 212 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 5: prospects of the last ten years. He's got exceptional command 213 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 5: of the strike zone. He puts the ball in play 214 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 5: on a line a ton. It's a really great swing 215 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 5: for just hard contact that is going to translate into 216 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 5: some power, even though he's not the biggest guy. But 217 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 5: because he's hitting it so hard and consistently putting the 218 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 5: ball in the air, he's gonna end up getting to 219 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 5: his fifteen to twenty homers. What I really expect from 220 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 5: him in this short term, as much as you can 221 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 5: predict anything any rookie's gonna do, I think he'll put 222 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 5: the ball in play a ton and be able to 223 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 5: hit for average. I may it'd be a ton of 224 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 5: power right away. He's probably gonna be more swing and 225 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 5: miss than we've ever seen from him before, just because 226 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 5: big league pitching is that good. But I believe very 227 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 5: strongly in the hit tool. I'll be curious to see 228 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 5: how his defense looks. When I saw him in high school, 229 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 5: I thought this guy's definitely moving to second base. He's 230 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 5: still playing shortstop. Scouts I talked to who've seen him 231 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 5: a lot more than I have over the last couple 232 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 5: of years. Say he's got a chance to stay at 233 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 5: the position, and if he does stay there, he's obviously 234 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 5: way more valuable and helps the Tigers because that's the 235 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 5: biggest hole they had in their lineup was at shortstop, 236 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 5: So they really needed McGonagall to step forward and grab 237 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 5: that job, and I think he did. If he produces 238 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 5: like I expected the plate and can just play competent 239 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 5: defense at shortstop, they're probably two wins better off just 240 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 5: from that one edition. 241 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 6: Most of these guys in your list, they're young guys 242 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,599 Speaker 6: that are looking to have breakouts. Yes, a guy like 243 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 6: Kevin McGonagall, where do you think most successfully the Tigers 244 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 6: can implement him into their lineup. Everyone talks about the defense, 245 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 6: but in the lineup does he a player like this? 246 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 6: Do you need him to just all of a sudden 247 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 6: bang be your leadoff hitter, or do you say, okay, 248 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 6: we're going to give you a soft landing spot, we'll 249 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 6: go seven, eight nine, that type of position in the line. 250 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm going to probably show my age here, 251 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 5: but I feel like you introduced rookies into the lineup 252 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 5: at the bottom and let them hit their way up 253 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 5: into more critical positions in the lineup, higher leverage spots. 254 00:10:58,679 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 4: The same way. 255 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 5: I still think a lot of starting pitchers should. 256 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 4: Be introduced to the majors, either as. 257 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 5: Swingman or long relievers, or if you have to. They're 258 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 5: kind of that spot starter where you can reduce the 259 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 5: pressure on them out of the gate and let them 260 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 5: continue to work their way up into more significant roles. 261 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 5: I think by the end of the year McGonagall is 262 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 5: hitting in the top four spots in the lineup, but 263 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 5: I wouldn't start him there. I'd be like, you're the 264 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 5: eight or nine hitter. This is just to help you 265 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 5: get acclimated. We believe in you, we think you're going 266 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 5: to produce, but we're going to take the pressure off 267 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 5: a little bit. You're not coming up in higher leverage spots, 268 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 5: you're not coming up with guys on base all the time. 269 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 5: You can just be who you are, and as you 270 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 5: continue to produce, we will move you up in the lineup. 271 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 5: The same way with a rookie pitcher, I would say, 272 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 5: as you continue to pitch, well, we're going to trust 273 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 5: you with higher workloads, higher leverage situations, cement you into 274 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 5: the rotation. 275 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 7: By the end of the season, Hey, Keith, A couple 276 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 7: guys before we're going to dig into Connor Griffin not 277 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 7: getting options, but with him and Dylan Cruz are probably 278 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 7: the two biggest names, right didn't maybe hast on Kim 279 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 7: but but uh, but but mainly Connor Griffin and uh, 280 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 7: Dylan Cruz not making their teams respectively. 281 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 3: What happened with Dylan Cruz? What what? 282 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 7: Where has he gone? Because he has not hit in 283 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 7: the big leagues. And then after that we'll get into 284 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 7: Connor Griffin. But Dylan Cruz to me was shocking when 285 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 7: again he didn't make the team, he not got option 286 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 7: to Triple A. 287 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 5: I gotta say good good for the Nationals. Nothing against 288 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 5: Cruise at all, but that the Nationals were not wedded 289 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 5: to He's been in the big leagues. He was the 290 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 5: number two pick in the draft. He was our top 291 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 5: prospect at one point. There's obviously a new front office 292 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 5: that they don't have those ties to him before, and 293 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 5: they can, I think, be a little bit more objective. 294 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 5: There's things Cruz needs to work on in Triple A. 295 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 5: I don't I have seen him in Triple A and 296 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 5: in the big leagues and he hasn't looked like quite 297 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 5: the same hitter. He has shown some vulnerabilities, particularly to 298 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 5: fastballs up, fast balls up and in pitches that he 299 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 5: clobbered as an amateur, and in the low minors he 300 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 5: has not done nearly as well against that in Triple 301 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 5: A or the majors, and not made adjustments. This is 302 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 5: a guy that really never failed. Then three years at 303 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 5: LSU he was the best hitter in the country, and 304 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 5: I wonder if it was kind of a bit of 305 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 5: a surprise to him when he got to even Triple 306 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 5: A and started to see some issues with contact. He 307 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 5: never hit gangbusters in the high Myers, not like he 308 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 5: hit three twenty three thirty and then got called up. 309 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 5: I always wondering if part of why he got called up 310 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 5: in the first place was, well, why at Langford's succeeding 311 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 5: in the majors and Paul Skeens is succeeding in the majors, 312 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 5: those guys who are the same draft class. We got 313 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 5: to bring our guy up at this point, sending Cruise 314 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 5: back to Triple A for support, a reset to work 315 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 5: on very specific things, with a new coaching staff and 316 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 5: a new player development, a new front office in place. 317 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 4: I hope this gets us back. 318 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 5: To the Dylan cruise that the Nationals thought they were 319 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 5: drafting because I, like you, I thought he'd hit. I thought, 320 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 5: if nothing else, this guy who's going to. 321 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 4: Hit for average. 322 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 5: We'll see how some of the secondary stuff plays out 323 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 5: as he continues to play. But he, like Torklsen, right, 324 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 5: he hasn't even gotten to that baseline of production that 325 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 5: would allow us to talk about what's his ultimate ceiling? 326 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 3: Okay, then what about Connor Griffin? 327 00:13:59,480 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 6: Is it? 328 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 7: I mean, we just had Jim Boden on here and 329 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 7: he was talking about service time manipulation, which we hate 330 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 7: talking about, right, But then the Pirates allegedly offered him 331 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 7: one hundred plus million dollars. Would he have made the 332 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 7: team if he's signed that extension, because if he's not ready, 333 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 7: then why do you offer him nine years one hundred 334 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 7: million ish dollars. It doesn't make sense to me why 335 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 7: you make that offer and then you send him down 336 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 7: because he doesn't accept it. If he takes that offer, 337 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 7: you think they're sending him down. 338 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 3: Probably not. 339 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 5: I think I don't think their manipulating serviced. He was 340 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 5: in double A for less than a month at the 341 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 5: end of last year. He hit exceptionally well at that point, 342 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 5: but he's still a teenager. Would have been very that's 343 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 5: very unusual for teenagers to make opening day rosters as well. 344 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 5: As he has hit everywhere in the miners. It's one year, 345 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 5: just a couple of weeks in double A where and 346 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 5: he did not look great this spring. 347 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 4: Like if he. 348 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 5: Had gone off in spring training against big league pitching, 349 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 5: this is probably a very different situation. I heard all 350 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 5: winter they wanted him to win the job, but they 351 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 5: needed him to win the job. They were just going 352 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 5: to hand him the job. I have a feeling even 353 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 5: if he accepts the contract, I mean, that might actually 354 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 5: make it easier to send him down, because then there's 355 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 5: not even a hint of service time manipulation. You could say, look, 356 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 5: you're going down, you're getting paid, your contract is in place. 357 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 5: Here are the things we need you to work on 358 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 5: before we're going to promote you to the next step. 359 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 4: Whether it's they. 360 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 5: Start him back in double A sender and Triple A, 361 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 5: probably they'll start him in Triple A and say here 362 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 5: are the things you need to do before we bring 363 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 5: you up to the majors. I had no issue with 364 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 5: them sending him down because he's so young and so 365 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 5: inexperienced and so talented, be willing to take a couple 366 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 5: of maybe it's just a couple of weeks. Let him 367 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 5: go down prove that he's ready for the next step, 368 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 5: as opposed to jumping him essentially two levels into the 369 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 5: majors where he hasn't had a lot of chance to 370 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 5: make adjustments, so to prove that he was going to 371 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 5: be ready to hit major league pitching. I think he's 372 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 5: going to get there sooner than later. He'll be up 373 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 5: before we get to the All Star break. But them 374 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 5: choosing to take a slower approach given his youth actually 375 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 5: middleized sense. 376 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 6: To me, sending Dying Cruise and Conor Griffin to Triple 377 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 6: A to face pitching that's not big league pitching to 378 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 6: see if they're ready seems like kind of a kind 379 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 6: of like a nineties to the late two thousands type 380 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 6: of thing. Triple A pitching isn't what Triple A pitching 381 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 6: isn't isn't big league pitching, and industry sources have said 382 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 6: the gap is farther and farther, So to me, when 383 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 6: you're a team like the Pirates, isn't the best development 384 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 6: a big league development, especially if they were saying, yeah, 385 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 6: we're willing to give you one hundred million dollars, we 386 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 6: can let you develop in the big leagues. We can, 387 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 6: we can let you be the best shortstop on our 388 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 6: team currently as you develop. I mean, I think I 389 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 6: think Gustin Perdroia hit one ninety in April in for 390 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 6: the for Boston when he first. 391 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 3: Got called out. 392 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 6: So are they expecting too much? Or am I expecting 393 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 6: too much? Because he's still nineteen and he's all over 394 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 6: these all over everyone's publications. 395 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 5: I mean, I know there's a big difference between Griffin 396 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 5: and crue Cruise, where with Griffin he's never faced triple 397 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 5: A pitching at all. 398 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 4: He's barely face double A pitching. 399 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 5: I think it was three weeks at the end of 400 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 5: the last season where he hit like crazy, because that's 401 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 5: all he has ever done since he first signed. But 402 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 5: to me, there's a big difference between the Griffin situation 403 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 5: where it's like, hey, prove you can hit double A pitching, okay, 404 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 5: or even say, prove you can hit triple A pitching, 405 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 5: which I agree with you is not close to big 406 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 5: league pitching. You go to triple A, you see plenty 407 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 5: of guys you at least throw hard. You will see 408 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 5: a lot of guys who throw maybe one quality off 409 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 5: speed pitch, but they can't locate it or they don't 410 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 5: have the full arsenal of weapons that you would find 411 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 5: in a big league starter. Griffin's never faced those guys 412 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 5: except the little bit in spring training with Cruz, I 413 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 5: could see more of the argument of can we develop 414 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 5: you better in the. 415 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 4: Big leagues because you've been in the big leagues for 416 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 4: a year and a half. 417 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 5: Cruz will probably go back to Triple A and say, well, 418 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 5: this is like batting practice, right, I've seen better than 419 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 5: this for my last five six hundred at bats at 420 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 5: this point. So that is more of just sitting him out, 421 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 5: maybe away from the spotlight, to a more controlled situation 422 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 5: where you can get you can be working with him 423 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 5: away from the field a little more one on one 424 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 5: without the distraction of hey, you're hitting a buck eighty 425 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 5: in the big leagues again. But he's going to probably 426 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 5: overperform because he's facing worst pitching having been sent down 427 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 5: where's Griffin doesn't have that. He's never faced anything better 428 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 5: than double A pitching that he saw at the very 429 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 5: tail end of last year. I think he's gonna go 430 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 5: down and hit well enough that a month from now 431 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 5: they probably do just end up calling him up. But 432 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 5: I prefer them to be a little bit conservative because 433 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 5: he's so young. If you were twenty two or twenty 434 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 5: three like Pedroia was to me, this is a very 435 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 5: different story, and we're asking is he really going to 436 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 5: benefit from being sent down at that point given his 437 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 5: age and experience. 438 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: Keith, we love having you on, really appreciate it as always. 439 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 2: Thanks for stopping by. Make sure you check out Keith's 440 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: articles in The Athletic much more info wise on the 441 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 2: breakout players, and you can do whatever you want with those. 442 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of fantasy drafts that are happening. 443 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 2: I've got mine tonight. So Keith, thank you man, great 444 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 2: to catch up. You love your insight. 445 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, my pleasure. 446 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 2: Hey, it might be time to have a heart to 447 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 2: heart with your phone and be like, I love you, 448 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: but you cost too much. 449 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not paying this much anymore. 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I'm actually okay with that. 470 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 2: You can point to some things in spring training that say, hey, 471 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: we're going to send them a triple A. I don't 472 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 2: think you can send a one hundred million dollar contract offer. 473 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 2: Noah Hyles Bucco Territory and reported it for his publication too, 474 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 2: said that happened if he had taken it. AJ Do 475 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: you think they would have optioned him. 476 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 7: No, And by the way, we respect Keith and we 477 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 7: like Keith. But here's the deal. What let's say Connor 478 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 7: Griffin goes down to triple A and just tears it up. 479 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 7: Did they call him up and say, well, he tore 480 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 7: it up. He could have been doing that on the 481 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 7: big league roster. So you can't tell me this is 482 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 7: not some sort of service time manipulation. 483 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:36,719 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. 484 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 7: And by the way, they didn't already know that he 485 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 7: wasn't going to make the team before. What if he 486 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 7: would have hit five hundred they had to make the team. No, 487 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 7: like this is this is classic. We just it's an 488 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 7: easier call, and like Jim Bowden said, it gives us 489 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 7: an it possibly can give us an extra year of control. 490 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 7: And if he takes that contract, he's one hundred percent 491 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 7: in the major leagues. I'm sorry, they're not going to 492 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 7: send him a triple A making two three million dollars. 493 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 7: They're just not They're the Pittsburgh Pirates. He's going to 494 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 7: be on the big league roster. 495 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: So listen. 496 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 7: I heard that he was offered a contract in spring 497 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 7: training when I was in Bradenton. I heard he was debating. 498 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 7: We didn't talk about it with Connor when we talked 499 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 7: to him, but I had heard this. I didn't want 500 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 7: to bring it up. It's not my place. 501 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 3: You didn't take it. 502 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 7: And now he's in where even I don't even where 503 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 7: is Indianapolis. I guess I don't even know where the 504 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 7: triple is, but I think so Indianapolis, Like, go tear 505 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 7: it up for a month and get up there, and 506 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 7: then I hope when you get there you take them 507 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 7: for every dollar that they're worth. 508 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 3: Connor Pirates, I love the Pirates. 509 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 5: Stop. 510 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 2: If you've got one hundred mil, you're up in the 511 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: big leagues here. 512 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: Sure that part bothers me. 513 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 2: All right, we did American League. Now let's do a 514 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 2: National league. Sad here bet MGM futures National League West 515 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 2: will go. 516 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: To a team quite heavily favorite. 517 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: Do you even touch this category Dodgers AD minus seven hundred, No, right, no, 518 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 2: you don't even think there's some sneakiness in here. Remember 519 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: last year the Padres hung with him? No, no, nothing, Okay, 520 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 2: so she got. 521 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 7: Close closes not winning it. They didn't get that close. 522 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 7: I mean they were never It was never a doubt 523 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 7: who was winning that division last year Okay. 524 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 6: It was like the Dodgers lost six that the Padres 525 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 6: had won three and they got within like three games. No, 526 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 6: unless you want to light one hundred dollars on fire, 527 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 6: I don't see the reason to do it. 528 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: Late in the season. 529 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: I think at one point they were tied and all that, 530 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 2: but the Dodgers ended up winning the division by three games. 531 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 1: They cleared them. 532 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 2: Let's see if I can interest you in the National 533 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 2: League Central. Yes, Cubs are almost even money. They're plus 534 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: one ten, Brewers at plus two forty Reds plus five hundred, 535 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 2: Pirates at plus six hundred. 536 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 1: Anything funky here? Where's value? 537 00:22:58,720 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 3: Brewers are still the value? 538 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 4: Right? 539 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 7: Just because they won ninety seven games last year. I 540 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 7: know they made some moves, but the Brewers are still 541 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 7: But the Cubs should win this division. They should No, 542 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 7: well they I don't know, but they should win this division. 543 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,239 Speaker 7: So the Brewers, the Reds, the Pirate, I mean the 544 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 7: Cardinals obviously no. But to me, the Brewers are the 545 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 7: best value in this I mean under the Cubs. If 546 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 7: you want to win ten bucks down the road. 547 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 3: If ten bucks is unimportant to. 548 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 2: You, well no, I mean you put down one hundred, 549 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 2: you win one ten yeah, right right, So it's a 550 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 2: little better than even money. It's a tiny bit better 551 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 2: than doubling your money. 552 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 3: I would say the Reds. 553 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 6: I mean, if there's anybody in the National League that, like, okay, 554 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 6: who could have like a breakout year that you'd be 555 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 6: surprised about where you're getting. What was that plus five hundred, 556 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 6: I mean five to one, five to one, I'd take 557 00:23:55,440 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 6: the Reds offense to figure it out in a National 558 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 6: League Central that could be a little bit more winnable. 559 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 6: I do think the Cubs are gonna win it, but 560 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 6: I think if there's a team I don't think. I 561 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 6: don't think me getting two forty from the Brewers is 562 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 6: enough value for me to say, oh wait, they've done 563 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 6: it every year. 564 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:18,719 Speaker 3: I get it. 565 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 6: You know, Big Wou's not even quite up to his 566 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 6: pitch count here to start the season. They lost Freddy 567 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 6: p I just think the Reds could be that like 568 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 6: kind of quote out of nowhere type of pick that 569 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 6: will get you some good cash at five to one. 570 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: Can I show you guys the one that I absolutely hate. 571 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: I would not touch this at all because I just 572 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 2: don't think there's enough value anywhere. National League East Division winner, 573 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 2: they have the Mets favored at plus one thirty five. Okay, 574 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 2: I think there's too much variance with the Mets. The 575 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 2: Phillies I think will win the division. But we're at 576 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 2: plus one to eighty. It's not enough for me when 577 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 2: there are other teams that I think could ruffle feathers. 578 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 2: And then with the way the Braves are going through 579 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,239 Speaker 2: the beginning of the season with their rotation, they're at 580 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 2: plus two fifty. To me, this is a total spend 581 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 2: your money elsewhere category. 582 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 7: If we want to throw some money on the Marlins, 583 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 7: they have all the pitching in the world. I've been 584 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 7: told repeatedly, So maybe for ten bucks on the Marlins 585 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 7: and you can win a lot. 586 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred bucks on the Marlins would win you 587 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 2: four g's are something. 588 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 7: That's the only one that I would say if you 589 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 7: wanted to just go crazy and take a shot at something, 590 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 7: that would be the one. 591 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, So ten bucks, if I'm doing my math right, 592 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 2: would win you four hundred bucks. 593 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: Yes, forty to one odds not too shabby. 594 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 3: Now, I would stick with bet MGM. 595 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 6: We don't have it on here, But if you're going 596 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 6: to anything National League East, go check out some wind 597 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 6: totals at the National League East. We hit a couple 598 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 6: of them, but you check those out because it's a 599 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 6: division that they're gonna beat each other up. But they 600 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 6: also have the lowly Nationals in it. It's an interesting 601 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 6: it's an interesting look at those wind totals. 602 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: I've been told we're gonna do a little bit of 603 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 2: that tomorrow, so we'll do predictions. 604 00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: We'll do the wind totals. 605 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 2: I think we'll pick three like we did the prior 606 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 2: two years, pick three over unders on the win total 607 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 2: side that you really like. 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