WEBVTT - Should we be designing our children? 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.280 Welcome to you Stuff you should Know from house Stuff 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:12.640 Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:15.680 Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Tucky Bryant. This is stuff 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:19.360 you should know the podcast. This will be done all 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:24.240 in sing song. You don't want to hear me sing songs, 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:27.720 because I've heard he sings songs. Your heart will melt, 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.680 glasses will break, my heart will go on, birds with sure, 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:37.680 and uh, grown men will kiss each other on the mouth. 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.080 So inspiring. That'd be pretty cool if you could do 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:47.080 that just by singing, Yeah, like you kiss him now, 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:51.560 glass you break. What you're talking about is Chevy Chase 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:54.800 in Modern Problems. I never saw that one. He didn't 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:59.360 have to sing, but he gained telekinetic abilities. You can 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:02.200 make things happen just by thinking them. I shouldn't even 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:03.560 say I never saw that one. That's not that much 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:05.720 of a surprise. Everyone knows how my dad raised me, 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.120 but I've never even heard of that one since now 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.880 eighties movie Modern Problems it was. It was very dumb, 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:15.319 but it was one of those early HBO movies for me. 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.000 So I just sat around watched it like constantly, and 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:24.720 I had a couple of dirty jokes. Oh I got you? Yeah, Um, yeah, 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:29.240 how do we get on that? It was me so chuck. Yes, Josh, 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:34.039 we are now UM friends. I guess you could say 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.000 after four years, we finally crossed that cusp. No, I'm 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.760 not talking about us. We're not for INDs. Still, you 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.640 and I are friends, Yes, we are. We're friends with 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:49.360 Science Channel and UM. As such, we are pretty excited 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.520 that they have something going on pretty soon. Yeah, and 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:53.760 this relates to our podcast topic, which is the reason, 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.639 very reason we chose this podcast topic. UM. Science Channel 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:02.720 is UM bringing Fringe, the cult classic television show Fringe 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:08.160 UM to its airwaves starting November twenty ye. They're gonna 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.880 show all five seasons. And uh, we were even lucky 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:15.320 enough to meet meet the guy, the guy at at 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:19.919 Comic Con. Yeah not Joshua Jackson, Dr Fringe. Yeah, that's 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:23.040 not his name, Mr Noble, and he was very nice 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:25.920 and uh, because he's not just on Fringe, he's on 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:27.799 Dark Matters too, he's the host of Dark Matters on 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:32.280 Science Channel. But I personally watched Fringe. I watched all 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:35.079 the first season, me and Emily did. Emily and I 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:40.120 excuse me, and um, I really enjoyed it and just 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.360 it was one of those things that I didn't watch 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:46.160 season two Beyond and Beyond because it just, you know, 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:47.960 life got in the way or something. But it wasn't 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:49.280 because it didn't like it was really good. I sort 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.880 of had a X Files vibe. Oh yeah, and the 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.000 twist that they've managed to work in there. Yeah, but 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.880 the science was more predominant. So I liked it. And 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:00.120 I'm totally gonna watch seasons. We'll probably start with sas 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.480 and one again. Well, then you should tune in November 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:04.600 and I'm gonna watch seasons two through five now and 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:08.880 Science Channel. I'm pretty stoked about that, right, Um? And 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:11.720 uh well yeah, in honor of fringe, we chose kind 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.720 of a fringe science topic. You did, That's right. I 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:18.520 think it's a good one. Chuck Yeah. Um. Designing Women, 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:23.760 I mean Designing Children? Where did that show? Oh? Yeah? Man? 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.240 What was the one that followed it with Burt Reynolds 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:30.200 Evening Shade? Was that tiede? Was that a spinoff? No? 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.000 But I think they were packaged together. It's like Tuesday 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:37.480 Night Redneck Hour, Sugar Bakers. Yeah right, Yeah, I watched 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.840 Designing Women. I didn't watch evening shade though, which surprises 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:42.520 me because I love Burt Reynolds. I yeah, I didn't 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.640 see it either, but yeah, designing Women, it was a 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.400 good show. Um that we're talking about designing children and 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:52.960 not just designing children, designer children. That's right. Uh, the 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:57.920 idea that one day in the very very very near 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:03.920 future now UM will be able to make kids ready 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:08.520 to order, made to order. Yeah, in certain ways, like 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:12.400 I think right now you we have the ability to 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.240 select eye and hair color. But they're just not doing 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:17.680 it yet because they try that in Los Angeles and 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:20.320 people are like, who woa, whoaa do you remember that? Yeah, 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.200 we don't like this. We shouldn't be doing this. And 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.039 I think that's really significant that that happened. Like the 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.760 first real commercial attempt for basically just saying hey you 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:30.920 want a blonde kid, we can give you a blond kid. 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:37.360 UM received public outcry, international outcry, so much of it. 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.760 The people are like, okay, sorry, we opened our mouths 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:43.720 and just forget we said anything. Here's your brunette, you know, yeah, exactly, 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.599 roll the dice, jerks. We don't care. UM. But I 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:51.440 find that significant, you know, because I wonder, um, you 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.640 know how it's gonna go. How when it does become 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.640 really commercially viable to really make your kid a different 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:01.560 person than they would have been natural? Really like, how 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:03.839 people will accept that? Yeah? I mean this is the 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:07.080 stuff of science fiction that is really happening now. Um, 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:11.400 the movie Gatica, this reference in this article really good 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.159 movie is really good. Yeah, man, it's good. It's like 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.680 a thinking man's science Uh. I don't know if you 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:21.440 call it a thriller. Maybe a thriller intrigue at the 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:25.120 very least, But yeah, it's good. And basically the synopsis 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:31.120 there is without spoiling anything. Is that not the not 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:35.680 too distant future we are able to in Gatica two 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:40.599 build designer children that will grow into designer adults that 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:44.320 are like, disease free and highly athletic and very intelligent. 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:46.800 And then the rest of the shlobs of the world 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:51.240 are you know, sorry t s for them? Basically go 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.800 with your potato chips. So see, Gatica's a good one. 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:57.760 Like it? Yeah, every time you say like this isn't 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:01.440 gonna spoil things, I tried really hard to spoiler. I 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.920 was watching an episode of Breaking Bad the other day 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.520 human and I were and Um, I was like, how 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:10.760 do I know what's about to happen that? I was like, Chuck, yeah. 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:15.320 And the Math episode, Oh I thought you. I thought 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.320 you meant the one in Breaking Bad that was about meth. 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.560 I was like, they're all about man, right right, I 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.720 didn't spoil that, Yeah, I got you. Yeah, all right, 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.560 So sorry that was not a spoiler for Gatica though. 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:31.440 UM so, chuck, yes, let's talk about all this you're say. 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:36.520 In two thousand nine, they came out against that fertility 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:40.120 clinic in Los Angeles. That's a good example of a 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:44.120 commercial business saying hey, we can do this now. A 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.280 good example of a government saying, hey, you can do 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.640 this now, we need to do something about it. Was 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:52.240 the UK proposing a bill and we couldn't find out 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.560 whether it passed or not. So frustrating how hard it 0:06:55.640 --> 0:07:00.000 is to find out things like this sometimes. Um, if 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.800 if you write an article about something that is big 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.120 enough for somebody else to use in an article, you 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.880 better follow up. Yeah, that's what I'm duty journalist. So 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.680 what we know is it was protested at least, so 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:13.480 I'm not sure if I went through well, and the 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.880 reason it was protested was protested um largely by the 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:20.160 deaf and heart of hearing community over there, because this 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:26.240 bill would have or did prohibit um selecting kids for 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:32.640 disease or disability, right, So if you it allowed you 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.520 to select against that. So if you if you have 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.840 a kid that has a disability, you can be like, 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.720 I don't want that kid. But it prohibited selecting forum 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:45.640 and the deaf community said, hey, um, if hearing parents 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.720 can select hearing kids, deaf parents should be able to 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.840 select deaf kids. So if you're gonna call deafness a disability, 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:55.000 you need to change this this bill, which is a 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.600 pretty cool thing to protest, if you ask me. I 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.640 don't know how it felt about it. I thought it's 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.920 still the no, Wow, this is gonna be a good 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:06.360 one that I was utterly confused. That was like, why 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.680 would you want your child to be deaf and be 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.440 at a disadvantage straight out of the gate in life? 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.680 But then I thought, well, is it a disadvantage exactly? 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.640 That is a great, great question. So I don't know. 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:20.000 That's where I ended up was did you know that 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:25.280 percent that's the highest most recent figure I've seen of 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:32.880 all down syndrome fetuses are aborted. I believe that right, 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:37.240 And that's the same question. It's like some people are like, well, 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.680 why would you want your kid to be disadvantaged? And 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:46.199 we are or not not selected through IBF a boarded um, 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.280 and so some people would say, why would you want 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.280 your kid to have you know, your kids going to 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.480 have a disadvantage And other people say, like, have you 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:56.400 ever met a person with down syndrome? Like they're pretty 0:08:56.400 --> 0:09:00.320 awesome people, you know, And I think that that is 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:05.320 That's just one argument throughout this idea of designing children 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:09.120 savior siblings was also included in the bill in England 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.160 let parents select embryos that would make suitable savior siblings. 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.880 Very controversial. I read a couple of articles on this. 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:21.080 Saviors Savior siblings are basically kids that you conceive initially 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:24.160 with the purpose of being able to act as donors 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.000 for their older brother or sister. Like you're you're the 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.560 kid that you love is born with like bad kidneys. 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.839 Have another kid that's gonna be a suitable tissue doner 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:37.200 because you know ahead of time, before the kids even born, 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:40.080 that it will be, yeah, so that they can give 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:43.520 them one of their kidneys. Yeah, there was a article 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.400 that I read where these parents had had had a 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:50.840 quote unquote savior child and used you know, they said, 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:54.120 what we ended up using was a teaspoon of umbilical 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.080 blood that would have been thrown in the trash and 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.800 that's what saved our other kids life. And this is 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:02.760 not the designer child, it's not some freak of science. 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.439 This is the reason we have this child. But doesn't 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:10.240 make it any less valid. So I think ultimately it's 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.920 how you treat the child after they're born. Well, you 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.200 treat them as like your regular child. You put them 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.920 in a closet and wait for the kidney. Sure, you'd hope. 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:19.880 But at the same time, I mean like you can 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.720 go down the road and say, well, having a savior 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:26.960 sibling is also having a kid to strip for parts. Yeah, 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:30.719 you know, there's there's another interpretation of the whole thing. 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.160 So I mean, like, if if you are going to 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.880 have your kid like that, is it valid for society 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:37.400 to be like, well, well you can't do that. How 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:39.520 are you going to treat your kid afterwards? Like? Is 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:41.560 that one of the worries? How would they would treat 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.680 the kid? I've never heard that as an argument. Yeah, 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.800 because it's not like you can have a kid use 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:49.960 all of their harvest all of their organs and kill them. 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:53.560 Of course not so. I think it's it's like the 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:55.440 effect that the impact it's going to have on that 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.800 child and their own identity is like a human being 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.400 and and unique individual human being, rather than a walking 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.560 organ bank for their brother. I would I would think 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.200 I would appreciate that growing up knowing that I was 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.280 born with a higher purpose of potentially saving my older 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.640 brother if he ever needed it. You know, sure, depending 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:18.120 on how you're raised, you know, are you like Danny 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:23.280 DeVito and twins right, or are you like the savior sibling. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:24.800 It's a great way to put it, like you're the 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.720 savior of this other sibling. It just all depends to 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.360 me on how the parents raised those those children in 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:38.160 that abnormal dynamic that's fostered through our technology. Yeah. I 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.959 can't imagine though, that a parent who would care enough 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.480 about their one child to have another to save them 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:48.760 would mistreat or shun the other child in any way. 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:52.440 That just didn't make sense to me. I just opened 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:54.760 my hands in a gesture of I don't know everybody, 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.200 all right, um, so let let's talk about this, Chuck, 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.040 let's talk genetics for a little bit. I had to 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.640 go back and do some um genetics one oh one 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:06.400 priming UM, and I did that. As I did, I 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.080 realized that I wasn't going back and remembering it. I 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:10.920 was teaching myself for the first time. In a lot 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:15.160 of ways, I've never really gotten genetics. Even though it's 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:20.440 so straightforward and cut and dried, there's always like, even 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.600 if you read this Designer Children article, like these are 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.040 two of our best writers, and like, it just doesn't 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:31.840 come across quite right. Maybe it's just me so like 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:38.720 me in numbers. So back in two thousand three, UM, 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.480 the Human Genome Project announced that it had fulfilled its 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:46.559 destiny and successfully mapped the human genome. And the human 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:50.840 genome is the sum total of the information contained in 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:55.000 the human DNA. That's right, right, Um, you're gonna say 0:12:55.000 --> 0:13:00.760 the word what DNA stands for, Oh, dioxy ribot clayic acid. 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:05.480 I would say the oxy. Yeah, I've always heard dioxy, 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.080 and then I was looking at that E. So either way, 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.120 well done. Though. D N A and d N A 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:15.280 is simply a couple of strands of sugar that form 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:18.360 a helix of double helix, and they're joined by what 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.360 looks like wrongs on the ladder sugar and phosphate. Yeah, 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:25.080 okay um. And these wrongs are made up of nucleotides, 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.640 one coming off of each of these strands, the little 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.960 twisty ladder that we all love now. Um. So the 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.560 wrongs of the ladder are made of these nucleotides, and 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.240 when they come together, one on each side, they form 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.600 this full wrong and those are called base pairs. And 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:44.200 there's four types of nucleotides, right, that's right. There is 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:49.920 uh at a nine sita scene, thymine, and guanine, and 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.920 you put them together and what you come up with, 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:58.720 ultimately is a four letter language for the blueprint of 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.720 an organism. Pretty cool, not just making an organism, but 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.880 maintaining it as well. And if you look along the 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:10.000 strand of DNA, you're going to find little segments where 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:15.040 this combination, if read by a ribosome uh can be 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:18.080 used to explain how a cell can make a certain 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.160 kind of protein, usually about three proteins on average, and 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.880 proteins are what are used as the building blocks of 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:28.040 cellular life and its functions, like everything from our behavior 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:34.040 to like the structure of your eye is based on proteins, right, 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:38.560 and your your genes. These little segments that are encoded 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.760 along the d NA um that express these proteins are 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.440 are blueprints for how to express the proteins. That's how 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.640 they're made. That's what they do. That's right, right, that's right. 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:56.280 We have betweens as a human. Everybody's so happy. You 0:14:56.320 --> 0:15:01.920 just do that. Human that just mess it up? Hmm, 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.800 how about that? Had you've been designed properly, it wouldn't 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.600 have happened. So what I thought was interesting that out 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.160 of the three billion BASS bearers, it's about half and 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:14.160 half of useful DNA and the rest are junk DNA. 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.480 Yea junk DNA. And they don't think that it's like 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:20.200 junk DNA, like it's it's totally useless. They think that 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:24.040 possibly we haven't found the use yet, or they think 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:27.280 that possibly one of the uses is that it says 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:31.680 it tells um like stop like here's where, here's where 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:35.160 this gene stops, or um, this is how much of 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.800 this protein you should express, and this this adjacent gene 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.120 that this junk DNA is next to, or it just 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:44.760 provides like structure, like actual structure to the to the 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:48.080 double helix. It's also possible that this is just um 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:52.320 DNA left over that was deposited by viruses eons ago 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:57.480 that that don't that don't express themselves any longer enough, 0:15:57.920 --> 0:15:59.960 because that's what viruses too. They insert their own d N, 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:04.600 A and rs. It's right, they um. So you've got 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.680 this DNA, it's making up chromosomes. You've got twenty three 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:10.080 in your body. And as complex and as massive as 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:14.760 the sounds, chuck, twenty pairs pairs, thank you, um, as 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.840 as massive and complex as this whole thing sounds. Every 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:20.760 cell except for a mature red blood cell, has a 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:25.920 full human genome and many chromosomes in it, every cell. 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:29.800 And that's just in the nucleus. That's crazy. It is crazy. 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:31.520 So you've got all this. We've got a pretty good 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:34.320 handle on this. The human genome. We've we've mapped it. 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:37.800 Now we go back and figure out where the genes are. 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.160 And they used to think that it was like nineties 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:45.040 six percent of DNA was junk, and then they found 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:46.560 out that, like if you look at the human genome, 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.400 some areas are gene rich, there's a lot of genes. 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.200 Other areas of gene deserts where there's very few. Right, 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.880 we have to go back and look at this map 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:59.960 and basically crack this code of this four letter line 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.520 Widge and figure out what genes are, what what they do, 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.119 and then ultimately how to manipulate them. And once we 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:10.200 do that, we effectively have taken humanity out of evolution. 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:16.360 That's right, scary, is it? I think? So our friend 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:20.680 David Pierce would beg to different who the guy from 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:26.520 the Happiness audiobook? We should ratchet up human happiness because 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:31.760 we can. Boy, that's it's a interesting argument, That's all 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.760 I'm gonna say. So, Um, we're already kind of at 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:40.320 a very primitive form of this, aren't we. Uh Well, yeah, 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.480 like I said, we we feasibly could choose eye color 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:47.520 and hair color if we wanted to. Um, And then 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:50.240 one thing we can definitely do is well, I guess 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.480 we should explain about ib F for those of you 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:58.360 who don't know. UM. In we first perform in vitro fertilization, 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.640 which basically means when you're a couple and you're having 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.280 trouble having a kid. They're a bunch of different steps. 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.600 You can take a bunch of different routes you can take, 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:09.640 and one of them is IVF, which means you take 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.000 the sperm from the man, egg from the lady and 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:17.680 you get them together outside of the human body to 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.080 form a z eyegoat and then you put it back 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.920 in the woman, uh and then she takes it from there. 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:27.640 And it is can be expensive. It can be very 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:31.280 hard on the woman, um on her body and and 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:35.560 emotionally emotionally. I think it's probably hard on the couple emotionally, 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:42.040 But dudes aren't pump full of hormones, you know. Um. 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:43.879 So that that is what IVF is, and that is 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:45.320 one way that you can have a baby if you're 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:49.600 having trouble having babies. UH. With IVF came something called 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:54.640 preimplantation genetic diagnosis p g D, which basically means, hey, 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:57.520 we can look at at your stuff here, and if 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:01.800 you are predisposed in your fanly to certain things like 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:06.760 hemophilia A down syndrome tas sac syndrome, we can we 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:10.720 can stop this process now and try again, right we 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.880 can scream for it. Yeah, fine, And some of its intuitive, 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:17.200 like with hemophilia A UH, if you and your husband 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.399 both have that, that usually tends to strike boys more 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:24.560 than girls, so they probably not use embryos that were male, 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:28.080 likely male. They would use female embryos instead, which brings 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.280 up the sticky point of choosing your gender. Yeah, um, 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.879 some others we can you can find that evidence of 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:39.080 that disease that say, um, I guess malfunctioning gene that 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:43.320 creates that disease, because that's what disease is, UM and 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.600 not use those embryos either. So we are we are 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:50.080 kind of at this primitive state. But it's selective, it is, 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:54.520 and these are tough decisions that couple's face in life. Uh, 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:56.919 A lot of thought should go into this if you're 0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:01.920 out there going through this process, it's um, it ain't easy. 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:03.800 And don't let anyone else tell you what you should 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:05.720 or shouldn't do. You know there's a personal thing. Oh 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:09.080 yeah sure, Um, so that's what's that's what's going on 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:13.800 on the ib F tip. So yeah, the point is 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:19.040 from that came um PG dye pre implantation genetic diagnosis, 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:22.600 which is UM kind of right now the most widely 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:27.600 available type of genetic engineering for couples looking to have 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:29.840 a baby, right right, And like we said, the sticky 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:32.119 point of potentially being able to choose your gender if 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:34.040 you really want a boy, you've got three girls, and 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:36.840 man I really wanted a boy. Um. And then in 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.760 countries like China where they definitely want boys, it's like 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.120 this could be the future that might upset the balance 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:47.360 of of nature and how many boys and girls are 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:49.959 born and what does that mean for the future. So 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:54.159 I heard to UM to have a soft landing from 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:56.720 their one child policy, which they're now starting to like 0:20:56.920 --> 0:21:01.800 relax they should have stopped at about twenty years ago. Yeah. Yeah, 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:04.199 Does that mean they're in trouble? Does that mean we 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:07.000 need to follow up like we recommended writers do on 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:11.840 our podcast. Sure, I guess you just did. Oh okay, 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:16.680 there was heard, UM, So chuck, we've got this. We've 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:19.440 got this genetic screening. That's one way to do it. 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:23.440 There's also another way, um that is a little further 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:27.119 out as far as humans go, UM, and that is 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:30.800 transgenderic therapy, which is where you take the gene of 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:36.000 something else that desirous trait and inserted into some into 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:40.840 the human right. So, what is actually adding a gene 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.439 right where What we've been talking about to this point 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:48.400 is unnatural selection. But it's been selection. It's like this 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:52.360 is this is it appeared naturally, but we're gonna take 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:55.840 away all of the other We're gonna reduce the chances 0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:58.399 that it won't happen, or we're gonna increase the chances 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:02.400 that that will happen. This is straight up copying and 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:07.399 pasting or cutting and pasting genes to create something desirable 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:10.760 or new. That's right, And they already do this in animals, UM. 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:14.120 So you know, if you can do it in animals, 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:15.600 it's not gonna be long before you can do it 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:22.000 with humans. And uh long term, maybe that means we 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:26.240 can eliminate certain diseases by correcting this stuff along the way, 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:30.560 right like before it happens. So that could be good. 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:34.640 So so when you take a gene from one animal 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:38.720 and UM and planted into another, that's um that's become 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:42.760 a transgenic animal or a chimera, which is based on 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:49.360 the goat, serpent, lion, fire breathing animal of legend from Greece. Um. 0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:51.600 They call it a chimera, which is kind of hurtful, 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:53.320 I think, especially if you're a human and know what 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:56.520 a chimera is, and you're a chimera, I'm sure you 0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:59.760 probably hurt your feelings. But um, thus far there aren't 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:02.760 any human caimeras as far as I know. It's mostly 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:05.919 the big one that we've actually talked about unknowingly before 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:10.120 is a bio steel. The goat with the spider. Remember 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:11.840 we were trying to figure out how they got spider 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:16.280 silk from a goat and the one turns out. It 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:19.399 turns out that spiders and goats share enough traits to 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:23.560 where this ultra strong spider silk can be produced in 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:26.960 the goat's milk. They have similar proteins. And they said, 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:30.200 I don't know how they came across that. I'm sure 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:31.920 they had some hint. I don't know why they would 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:33.640 start with a goat's milk. Yeah, I don't know either, 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:35.520 but the protein, you know, what would happen if we 0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:38.320 put the spider silk in this goat's milk? What rhymes 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:42.640 with spider silk goat's milk. Let's try to start there. Um, yeah, 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:45.200