Speaker 1: Hey, they're folks. It is Monday, August third, and the
Speaker 1: Trump Piro pool party is on. Should we call it
Speaker 1: a pool fight? And with that, welcome to this episode
Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ. You're not gonna win a fight
Speaker 1: against President Trump, are you? But right now she's in one. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And look, maybe you don't win it short term, but
Speaker 2: maybe in the long term you might come out ahead.
Speaker 1: Okay, but after you lose your job, that is too
Speaker 1: We're talking about Janeine pierro If you don't know, she's
Speaker 1: the US attorney out of the office in DC, and
Speaker 1: once again, Robes, the reflecting pool story just won't go away,
Speaker 1: and I'm so glad it won't. I am loving it.
Speaker 1: But right now what we have is Jeanine Piro going
Speaker 1: head to head against her boss, the President, who has
Speaker 1: put out a blister pretty I shouldn't say blistering. He
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily just attack her, but he attacked her decision
Speaker 1: to drop the charges against Olympian David Hearn Robes. That
Speaker 1: was stunning already when we saw that on front.
Speaker 3: Yes, we were.
Speaker 2: I was surprised that Jeanine Piro actually made the choice
Speaker 2: to not only drop the felony criminal charges against a
Speaker 2: three time Olympic canoeist who yes represented the United States,
Speaker 2: David Hearn, after a fifty sixty.
Speaker 3: Mile bike ride.
Speaker 2: He was accused of vandalizing the reflecting pool and being
Speaker 2: among those accused of causing all the damage, all that
Speaker 2: peeling pool liner and Jeanine Piro was there in the
Speaker 2: beginning talking tough about the ten years that David Herton
Speaker 2: was facing, so Yes, when she decided to drop the charges,
Speaker 2: she had to explain why, and in this very public filing,
Speaker 2: she very specifically stated that it was shoddy or botched
Speaker 2: work done in a rush job to get the pool
Speaker 2: ready for the Fourth of July celebrations, which made our
Speaker 2: jaws collectively dropped because we were like, holy hell. She
Speaker 2: just completely spoke out against and gave an opposite narrative
Speaker 2: that the President has been selling for and pedaling for weeks, and.
Speaker 3: We wondered what he was going to do.
Speaker 2: Was he going to just come out and say thank you,
Speaker 2: Jeanine Piro for explaining what we didn't have the information.
Speaker 2: The Department of the Interior kept this from us, and
Speaker 2: maybe no, he did the opposite.
Speaker 3: He went with.
Speaker 2: The Department of the Interior and threw Jeanine Piro under
Speaker 2: the bus, and I don't know what. Were you surprised
Speaker 2: he made that choice.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of under the bus throwing over
Speaker 1: the past few days. Surprised or was this not even
Speaker 1: a doubling down, a tripling down, a quadrupling down. This
Speaker 1: is a I don't even robes, he is still still
Speaker 1: while all she did in this filing was say what
Speaker 1: everybody already knew. We knew, Robes that nobody was damaging
Speaker 1: and taking a knife and cutting a three hundred foot slit,
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty foot split.
Speaker 3: We knew that undetected.
Speaker 1: We knew nobody was pulling up the lining that was
Speaker 1: floating all over the damn pool.
Speaker 2: This American hero was gonna go and just vandalize the
Speaker 2: pool because he doesn't like Trump in broad daylight.
Speaker 1: That was July second. Do I have right when she
Speaker 1: came out and did that press conference, Robes, I thought
Speaker 1: they were gonna put him under the jail the way
Speaker 1: she came out, he violently, yes, vulnerably.
Speaker 3: There were adverbs attached to what he did.
Speaker 1: Destroying a national monument. They brought this up to a
Speaker 1: level Robes that made it sound like he almost single
Speaker 1: handedly was responsible. It was absurd for the foolishness that
Speaker 1: we saw around a reflecting pool, this thing that's been
Speaker 1: there one hundred plus years. It had the same problems
Speaker 1: the whole time. The President fixed in two weeks, is
Speaker 1: what you're telling us. And he did it for just
Speaker 1: a few million, okay, and it had problems immediately, And
Speaker 1: we found out from the filling the filing Robes they
Speaker 1: knew about the problems two days after the work was
Speaker 1: compared to correct We're going to get into that as well,
Speaker 1: but Robes. This sets us up now to what happened
Speaker 1: with this filing and what the President ends up saying.
Speaker 1: The excerpts I included here from the motion to dismiss
Speaker 1: the charges. As much as we talk about Robes, there
Speaker 1: is no way we can come out and say any
Speaker 1: more strongly than the Department of Justice did about why
Speaker 1: these charges would be.
Speaker 2: And I think that was one of the surprising parts
Speaker 2: of it because it wasn't like and yes they did
Speaker 2: it on a Friday, trying to sneak it in when
Speaker 2: people aren't paying attention, going off for a summer weekend
Speaker 2: Friday dumps, yes, very famous. But she chose some very
Speaker 2: specific language that even surprised me. She was very deliberate
Speaker 2: in placing the blame solely on the Department of the
Speaker 2: Interior and solely on the construction and the rush job.
Speaker 2: This was an excerpt from her to dismiss the charges
Speaker 2: against David Hearn. She said the rush to complete the
Speaker 2: project led to hasty and botched work that was not
Speaker 2: remediated before the project was finished, and the fencing removed.
Speaker 2: Almost immediately after work was initially completed. Peeling was observed
Speaker 2: along the pool perimeter.
Speaker 1: And the guy who saw it worked for the cut
Speaker 1: where the government. He reported it.
Speaker 3: It's not like two days later.
Speaker 1: Saw it and then nobody knew this was boiling. It.
Speaker 1: Goes on to say it was not until after the
Speaker 1: return of the indictment against David Hearn that the Department
Speaker 1: of Interior then provided additional documents indicating that damage to
Speaker 1: the reflecting pool was the result of flawed installation by
Speaker 1: the contractor and the rush to complete the project prior
Speaker 1: to events associated with America to fifty Ropes. She is saying,
Speaker 1: plain as day, everybody was in a hurry to get
Speaker 1: this done for the President, and because they were in
Speaker 1: such a hurry, they cut some corners and the work
Speaker 1: wasn't done that.
Speaker 3: Way without a doubt. That is exactly what she said.
Speaker 2: And then she wentn't even further and said the damage
Speaker 2: was the result of a botched installation and not vandalism
Speaker 2: as initially represented by the Department of the Interior. Indeed,
Speaker 2: the US Attorney's Office could only rely on the information
Speaker 2: provided by DOI that the damage was entirely caused by vandals, including.
Speaker 3: The defendant in this case, David Hearn.
Speaker 2: I mean, this was as big of a slap in
Speaker 2: the face to the Department of Interior and frankly to
Speaker 2: President Trump. Then she could have I mean, she wrote it,
Speaker 2: and it was it was non negotiable.
Speaker 1: Because Robes, I think, is this not correct? Couldn't she
Speaker 1: be in some really serious trouble if she filed for
Speaker 1: charges and an indictment comes against a guy, if a
Speaker 1: judge a court believes that she knew otherwise, Yes, she,
Speaker 1: I mean, could you get this bar stuff like that?
Speaker 3: If not, you should be able to so. Yes.
Speaker 2: I would imagine that that would absolutely be grounds for disbarment.
Speaker 1: But baby might not just be cya from a public standpoint.
Speaker 1: She might need to do it legally to make sure
Speaker 1: the court understands this was not me. This is what
Speaker 1: I was told, and I was just bringing the information best.
Speaker 2: I had, And the moment I found out what the
Speaker 2: real information was, I dropped charges.
Speaker 1: She went on. This is where she firmly throws the
Speaker 1: Department of Interior, and the Secretary under the bus said
Speaker 1: it was not until her office repeatedly reached out to
Speaker 1: the Interior Department dozens and dozens of times that the
Speaker 1: Interior slowly started trickling information to us ROMs that was specific,
Speaker 1: that was very specific language, trickling dozens and dozens of times.
Speaker 1: We had to ask, she's covering up?
Speaker 2: But maybe legally here absolutely, and so President Trump had
Speaker 2: a choice to make. Do I say, wow, given this
Speaker 2: new information, I am fully more fully understanding the situation.
Speaker 2: I too was misled by the Department of the Interior.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no no, because then he would
Speaker 2: have to admit that his push for the rush for
Speaker 2: the two hundred and fiftieth the construction company I believe
Speaker 2: that he used before and one of his Trump properties,
Speaker 2: that he actually green lighted that they were responsible.
Speaker 3: No, because then it goes back to him.
Speaker 2: So his truth social post made it very clear how
Speaker 2: he feels. I disagree one hundred percent with Janine Pirou,
Speaker 2: the US Attorney for the District of Columbia, on the
Speaker 2: reflecting pool. I don't know what she was thinking. Question
Speaker 2: mark to me, I like, to me, like, what.
Speaker 3: Does that to you?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: To me?
Speaker 2: It was a pure case of vandalism that included the
Speaker 2: grass which had a big eighty six forty seven emblazoned
Speaker 2: in giant letters on it, and other elements of the
Speaker 2: surround Huh. There may have been some contractor difficulty, but
Speaker 2: the major damage was caused by vandals.
Speaker 3: In all caps.
Speaker 1: That is an admission by the president. That's as close
Speaker 1: as you're ever going to get that he was wrong.
Speaker 1: That's an emission by the president. That is the closest
Speaker 1: you're going to get. Ropes. He jumped from the pool
Speaker 1: to the grass. He jumped from the pool being the
Speaker 1: focus to the grass. Look at how he's talking. He
Speaker 1: disagrees with her on the reflecting pool to me.
Speaker 3: To me, it's my opinion based on zero facts.
Speaker 1: He's saying, pure case of vandalism that included the grass.
Speaker 1: He's focusing on the grass because it is someone did
Speaker 1: put eighty six forty seven in the grass that is
Speaker 1: true and got nothing to do with the pool. And
Speaker 1: I have not heard him make any public statement or
Speaker 1: shout for the mountaintops about the grass. It's been all
Speaker 1: about the pool. So he's switching it up on us
Speaker 1: and saying, well, the eighty six forty seven it may
Speaker 1: have been some contractor difficulty. That is as close as
Speaker 1: you're getting to an admission that he was wrong. There
Speaker 1: may have been some contractor difficulty. What can that mean?
Speaker 1: Baby botched installation?
Speaker 2: No, just possibly some difficulty.
Speaker 1: That's it. It's to you know, this is one of
Speaker 1: my favorite stories. It had been. It's gotten to a
Speaker 1: point like are you serious. It's okay, It's just they
Speaker 1: can not ever find just say I was wrong, we
Speaker 1: got this one wrong. Nobody administration can admit a mistake.
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't it be so nice if they did.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't your shoulders just relax a bit for there to
Speaker 2: be an admission that everyone makes mistakes.
Speaker 3: It's okay.
Speaker 2: The hard part is admitting it, but it actually is
Speaker 2: what endears you to the public, where we actually we
Speaker 2: can forgive mistakes, but when you can't admit them, that
Speaker 2: is a major problem.
Speaker 1: They've made things worse worlds because not only not admit them,
Speaker 1: they tell us that what we're saying, seeing with our
Speaker 1: own eyes and videos aren't true. They're there there. He's
Speaker 1: been talking to us like we're all stupid for weeks
Speaker 1: about this pool. He believes what he believes. And if
Speaker 1: you're you follow the president and you think that, yep,
Speaker 1: he was telling me the truth the whole time. Or
Speaker 1: if you say it, well, I think he was just
Speaker 1: telling me what he thought at the time. He had
Speaker 1: bad information, we could get on board.
Speaker 3: I was willing to that, but this.
Speaker 1: Is something else. Baby, I can't admit they're wrong. Two
Speaker 1: words that would relax our shoulders coming out of the
Speaker 1: President's mouth anytime. My bad.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, that's too far, that's too far. I would
Speaker 1: have his doctor check him out if he ever says
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but just my bad, Yeah, my bad, that's
Speaker 1: on me. Ah damn it. I was working, But what
Speaker 1: was what's wrong? Because that's seen as weakness. Weakness, babe,
Speaker 1: If you complain about a pilot that flies too close
Speaker 1: to people on the beach, you're weak. If you don't
Speaker 1: see how that was just awesome. Everything is everybody's weak
Speaker 1: testosterone checking for now. Everybody's weak, weak, weak.
Speaker 2: Jesus, come, how about Doug Bergham, the Secretary of the Interior.
Speaker 3: Is he weak or is he strong?
Speaker 1: He went harder than the president, didn't he to defend.
Speaker 1: Now he's defending the Interior Department. And that's fine, But
Speaker 1: he's Interior secretary and I get it. But he needed
Speaker 1: to say something, Robes. But he's still pushing and pawning
Speaker 1: this same thing. So yes, he had a long statement
Speaker 1: that he put out on X as well after the president.
Speaker 1: And it's clear he wants to keep his job.
Speaker 2: Oh yes he does, because his first line says it.
Speaker 3: All the evidence is clear.
Speaker 2: Vandals have repeatedly caused damage to the reflecting pool period.
Speaker 3: Some of these acts were even caught on camera.
Speaker 1: Period.
Speaker 2: We also provided the US Attorney's Office expert and eyewitness
Speaker 2: testimony to the damage done by vandals, and provided every
Speaker 2: piece of evidence they asked for in the requested timeline
Speaker 2: detailing each area of damage at the pool.
Speaker 1: What does that mean provided every piece they asked for?
Speaker 1: We've read a lot of statements in our lives. We
Speaker 1: pick up on little words like that. He goes on
Speaker 1: to say that President cares deeply about protecting our sacred
Speaker 1: national monuments, and his leadership has led to the restoration
Speaker 1: of our nation's capital by making DC safe and beautiful again.
Speaker 1: Intentional damage done to the reflecting goal is no different
Speaker 1: than defacing any one of our other national monuments.
Speaker 2: We won't back down to deranged people who want to destroy, deface,
Speaker 2: or degrade our monument.
Speaker 1: Is that still, David Hearn, he didn't mention, David Hern
Speaker 1: there did not why not? But it is just defacing
Speaker 1: any one of our national monuments. He put his name
Speaker 1: in front of Kennedy's right, defacing, defacing. That was the
Speaker 1: first thing about to mind when I saw that, defacing
Speaker 1: any one of our national monuments, and that's exactly what
Speaker 1: he was accused of doing. But stay here, folks, we
Speaker 1: will we come back explain the I guess one of
Speaker 1: the more jaw dropping parts to us is when the
Speaker 1: US Attorney's Office was made aware that they had a
Speaker 1: BS case. And also the best part of it all,
Speaker 1: when someone first noticed that the reflecting pool was jacked up.
Speaker 1: It was a long time ago.
Speaker 2: Stare welcome back everyone, as yes, the reflecting or as
Speaker 2: it's been called, the deflecting Pool. Drama continues. It just
Speaker 2: won't go away. President Trump could make it go away.
Speaker 2: He could have applauded Janine Piro for finding the truth,
Speaker 2: asked some questions about the Department of the Interior, and
Speaker 2: people might have felt like, Okay, finally we're on the
Speaker 2: right track. We're not just pointing fingers at former Olympians
Speaker 2: accusing them of unthinkable acts of violence, things that just
Speaker 2: don't make sense or sit.
Speaker 3: Well with a lot of folks.
Speaker 1: I would imagine, I know what you're saying there, unthinkable
Speaker 1: acts of violently Yes, you said violence, like he was
Speaker 1: violent pole.
Speaker 2: Well no, yes, but like violently attacked the reflecting pool.
Speaker 2: It seems silly on its face, and so to double
Speaker 2: down now, but we're getting more information from Janine Piro's office,
Speaker 2: who now is letting us know when they were made
Speaker 2: aware of the damage and when the Department of the
Speaker 2: Interior actually knew about the damage.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is fantastic. Robes an engineer, all right. June ninth,
Speaker 1: there was a final inspection of the pool. It was
Speaker 1: good to go, so it essentially opened on June ninth,
Speaker 1: and they were getting in ahead of the fight was
Speaker 1: on June fourteenth, when his birthday. The UFC thing June ninth,
Speaker 1: Final inspection June eleventh. An engineer, an engineer with the
Speaker 1: Park Service was alerted to the peeling of the reflecting
Speaker 1: pool on June eleventh. Robes. June eleventh, he wrote an
Speaker 1: email saying, this morning an area of the reflecting pool
Speaker 1: coding was identified to be peeling. Staff was notified and
Speaker 1: I was able to inspect the area. That is from
Speaker 1: the engineer on June eleventh. So why is it that
Speaker 1: Jeanine Piro wasn't aware of this until July seventeenth.
Speaker 2: That's insane, that's almost what is that five six weeks later?
Speaker 3: And so she drained, She.
Speaker 2: Toured the drained pool, and she noticed the extensive damage.
Speaker 2: And look, that's because she knows she was being asked,
Speaker 2: as has the President, by reporters, for pictures evidence of
Speaker 2: this three hundred and fifty foot slit that he claims
Speaker 2: some vandal made using a sharp object in the middle
Speaker 2: of the pool. The problem is, she goes and she looks,
Speaker 2: and she is not understanding how what the claims of
Speaker 2: vandalism are, how they match up with what she's actually
Speaker 2: visually seeing there at the pool.
Speaker 1: So was the lady who brought charges against the guy
Speaker 1: that we had evidence already that he wasn't guilty. We
Speaker 1: had it on June eleventh. June eleventh, and she brought
Speaker 1: a case and a month later she becomes aware that's
Speaker 1: not good investigative work. Is it is the DOI and
Speaker 1: keeping stuff from her? What are they saying happened here? Ropes?
Speaker 1: Is this just another fiasco? Will never get answers?
Speaker 2: Well, the DOI is saying we gave her the information
Speaker 2: when she asked for it. So she goes and tours
Speaker 2: the drained pool and says, what the hell? This doesn't
Speaker 2: look like one area that's been vandalized. This looks like widespread,
Speaker 2: extensive damage from a faulty installation process. So she asks
Speaker 2: for more information and then her theory is confirmed when
Speaker 2: she gets set information.
Speaker 1: Ropes, why would they withhold the.
Speaker 2: Information because it didn't fall in line with the president's explanation?
Speaker 1: They let her file charges against the guy?
Speaker 3: Had it stuff bolstered the president's assertion?
Speaker 1: Okay, this is maybe this is a bigger Maybe it
Speaker 1: is a bigger situe with Robes. They withheld this that
Speaker 1: is her accusation, that.
Speaker 3: Is her accusation.
Speaker 1: Where does this go? How long does Janine Pirou last robes?
Speaker 1: We They've known each other a long long.
Speaker 2: Time, and she's been a huge advocate for President Trump.
Speaker 1: She was on Fox News every single show.
Speaker 2: Constantly supporting him, bolstering his point of view. So, yes,
Speaker 2: he gave her this very prestigious appointment as US Attorney
Speaker 2: for the District of Columbia.
Speaker 3: And now this is probably what is this.
Speaker 2: The big her big first case basically that she's in
Speaker 2: front of in a in like this has certainly been
Speaker 2: his big issue, and so she's now the face of it.
Speaker 2: She's now going to be prosecuting it. And look, I
Speaker 2: keep thinking of Pam Bondi. He wanted her to go
Speaker 2: after certain people who he felt like. I think the
Speaker 2: accusation is that he felt like when after him, when
Speaker 2: she didn't do things or didn't move as quickly as
Speaker 2: he would like her to have moved in terms of
Speaker 2: prosecuting his perceived political enemies, she was cast aside. And
Speaker 2: now Todd Blanche is there trying to get confirmed this
Speaker 2: week because he is willing to do the president's bidding.
Speaker 2: Ginine Piro just proved that she's not.
Speaker 1: Well ros it she does, she legally can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would say that Pam Bondi probably felt
Speaker 2: very similarly.
Speaker 1: She legally can't do anything, so they'll know if she
Speaker 1: will survive this one. But you mentioned Bondi, we mentioned
Speaker 1: Christy No, we mentioned Tulsi Gabbert and talking earlier, these
Speaker 1: are three really high profile women that were in his
Speaker 1: cabinet that are out of a job. I know Tulsi
Speaker 1: Gabbert resigned, but hope.
Speaker 3: Lots of people resign because they have to.
Speaker 1: It's just to see him going at it again publicly
Speaker 1: with another woman, a high profile a woman as a
Speaker 1: part of his team is something. We'll see how long
Speaker 1: this lasts, how long she lasts and if this maybe
Speaker 1: just fades away. But the pool ain't fixed.
Speaker 2: Oh no, but it's going to be and it's going
Speaker 2: to be perfect. It's going to be the most beautiful
Speaker 2: reflecting pool you've ever seen.
Speaker 1: American flag, blue environment.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we will stay tuned on this one. Also, you
Speaker 2: can just follow President Trump's truth social post and you'll
Speaker 2: know in real time as well. But in the meantime,
Speaker 2: we always appreciate you listening to us.
Speaker 3: Everyone. I made me roboch alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk soon.